Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.
Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: For the audience, Welcome to Still the Place. We're so
Speaker 1: excited we can't stop talking long enough to introduce the show.
Speaker 1: We have Denise Bay costume answer a lot of questions
Speaker 1: like why did you let me wear so many shoulder pads?
Speaker 1: A lot of very important questions.
Speaker 2: Did you hear her? She's constant, it's so voluminous.
Speaker 3: I know because I wouldn't because I just kept thinking
Speaker 3: the same thing. I'm like, why are the shoulder pads
Speaker 3: so big?
Speaker 4: You need to be that big?
Speaker 2: Well, maybe you put on a pair, And then when
Speaker 2: she went to her trailer she added them. She loved her, I.
Speaker 3: Honestly think psychologically because with the heather, with the really
Speaker 3: short sirs, I think we were trying to make Allison
Speaker 3: look powerful and professional, and I think she wanted to
Speaker 3: hold her own. So that's the only thing I can
Speaker 3: think besides the fact that.
Speaker 1: Linebacker, yeah, maybe she's a linebacker, you won't be as threatened.
Speaker 2: Also that it was the sign of the times.
Speaker 3: It was the sign of the times. It was the style.
Speaker 3: Things were oversized, things were a little bigger because it
Speaker 3: was like early nineties, so we were still suffering from
Speaker 3: the shoulder pads of the eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, you you told us that you just watched the
Speaker 5: first season, as we have too because we've been doing
Speaker 5: this for our recaps. But you said that you prepared
Speaker 5: to come here by watching the first season. You must
Speaker 5: have had like a like crazy.
Speaker 3: I was expecting to hate more outfits than I did, right,
Speaker 3: but I saw some things and I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't remember that at all, but it's cute.
Speaker 2: Who did that?
Speaker 1: Oh? I did?
Speaker 5: And you also came in mid season right like you
Speaker 5: at fifteen you weren't.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I started prepping on episode thirteen because Amy
Speaker 3: Locane still was still on, and then my first official
Speaker 3: episode I did on my own was fourteen, and I
Speaker 3: think that's when you came on right at the same time,
Speaker 3: right fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember Denise that I always bonded because
Speaker 2: we came the first time, and we almost got fired
Speaker 2: that first because you had me in an Upper East
Speaker 2: Side like beautiful floral satin or made looking blouse because
Speaker 2: we were like Joe, she's from New York City, she
Speaker 2: comes from money. Makes sense to me. And then I
Speaker 2: think Aaron saw it was like, what do they have
Speaker 2: her in? We're going black? Where's the black, where's the
Speaker 2: where's the leather, where's the Yeah, so we switched it,
Speaker 2: but they reshot all that because we filmed that. I
Speaker 2: don't know who I had scenes with. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: just the intro I.
Speaker 3: Have blocked that out.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 3: So I think because we were coming into a not
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a well oiled machine,
Speaker 3: but because everybody knew each other and we were the newbies,
Speaker 3: we bonded very quickly about our place.
Speaker 2: Was It takes a little bit to get your grounding,
Speaker 2: you know, to get your like, oh, you're feeling everyone
Speaker 2: out and feeling the wardrobout and then we're both like,
Speaker 2: is this okay?
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's try it.
Speaker 3: And also to try to figure out the characters and
Speaker 3: the characters I think they wanted to change it up,
Speaker 3: which is why they, you know, brought us in, and
Speaker 3: so it was kind of interesting to feel like what worked,
Speaker 3: what didn't work, and who the characters were, and the
Speaker 3: characters changed over time too, you know obviously, Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2: Feel like watching it, don't you guys feel like when
Speaker 2: you started things start to change your ward there, all
Speaker 2: of our wardrobe got interesting. There was a I don't know,
Speaker 2: a punch up about it for sure, more I don't know,
Speaker 2: unique or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was surprised at how much red I used because
Speaker 3: I never use red now I really hate using red.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I'm using.
Speaker 1: A lot of It must have been the color of
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a lot. It felt very bright to me.
Speaker 3: The whole world felt very bright. But again like it
Speaker 3: was the time time, and some of the stuff has
Speaker 3: come back around, maybe not the shoulder. It doesn't look
Speaker 3: so crazy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't look so crazy as it would have like
Speaker 1: if we've done it five years ago, because so many
Speaker 1: of the styles are back in.
Speaker 3: I agree. I think had I seen this, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen the show in over thirty years, so had I
Speaker 3: looked at it fifteen years ago, I would have been
Speaker 3: aw But now it's like, okay, yeah, I believe that
Speaker 3: I buy it. That looks cute.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that interesting, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was so many people to manage, Like you think
Speaker 1: about you know, costume fittings are so intense for all
Speaker 1: of us because it's vulnerable. It's your body. You're there
Speaker 1: and you're broad and underwear and you're working through it.
Speaker 1: How was it to sort of deal with that many
Speaker 1: characters because you had eight main characters or nine with
Speaker 1: Heather and then guest stars. How did that feel every
Speaker 1: week when you would have to break down that script.
Speaker 3: Well, I think if you look back, and this might
Speaker 3: be hard for people who aren't doesn't don't understand costuming.
Speaker 3: For me, back then, I was one person. I didn't
Speaker 3: have a shopper. I did it.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a shopper, didn't have a shopper.
Speaker 3: It was me John Casey are custom super John K.
Speaker 3: And there was no internet so I couldn't order stuff online.
Speaker 3: And we were in Valencia and Nordstrom hadn't even opened yet.
Speaker 3: It was Target was the only thing out there.
Speaker 4: Wow, and have to come in town.
Speaker 3: I have would I'd come in at four thirty in
Speaker 3: the morning. We didn't have cel year in the field going.
Speaker 3: I have a size, so we'd have a pager. It
Speaker 3: would be nine one one if somebody didn't like what
Speaker 3: they were wearing, because it is that important.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I need hilarious Kathleen.
Speaker 3: So I think what we would do is we would
Speaker 3: do like a big fitting, like you and I would
Speaker 3: do a fitting and we would just build a closet
Speaker 3: so we'd try a bunch of stuff on say like
Speaker 3: like like like don't like and buy a claw, you know.
Speaker 3: But we were doing these every seven days, so it
Speaker 3: was really difficult. And then when we were doing double
Speaker 3: ups for people who don't know what that is, we
Speaker 3: were doing two episodes at the same time with two
Speaker 3: separate units. And I still didn't have extra you I
Speaker 3: never and I didn't have an assistant costume designer. I
Speaker 3: didn't have a shopper.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: No, I look back now and I'm like, you just
Speaker 3: and I had I think I think Trey was my pa.
Speaker 3: It was like doing returns at the time or something.
Speaker 2: Wow, when what was John doing? He was?
Speaker 3: He ended up he ended up starting to do the
Speaker 3: men like he because I noticed this because I kept
Speaker 3: seeing Billy and all of John's vintage Hawaiian Sure.
Speaker 2: Where those came from?
Speaker 3: Yeah, But so I look back now and it was
Speaker 3: amazing because now you can order so much online and
Speaker 3: I would be able to order stuff online, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to I was trying to find new designers.
Speaker 3: I was trying to be really cutting edge, and and
Speaker 3: that's why I go into l A and then come
Speaker 3: back to Valencay at the day, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: Is it possible.
Speaker 5: I feel like I have this memory of meeting you
Speaker 5: at the mall when I first when my character first
Speaker 5: came on, and like I did a shopping trip with
Speaker 5: you at the mall. I met you, and like it
Speaker 5: is a much more efficient way to do it then
Speaker 5: you know, you bring a whole closet to the set
Speaker 5: and trying it on there. It was like meet me
Speaker 5: at the mall and we had like a studio services
Speaker 5: room and like just like yeah, I was in heaven,
Speaker 5: like this is yeah, that sounds so does that seem
Speaker 5: for reasonable?
Speaker 4: I mean, and then that would never happen now, right,
Speaker 4: I mean you'd never.
Speaker 1: Lead at the mall. Had it happened now.
Speaker 3: Somebody can see what's out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I do have to say I saw one episode
Speaker 3: and because I would come up with these cute ideas,
Speaker 3: and then it was a leopard cape. It was it
Speaker 3: was a cape.
Speaker 1: It was a.
Speaker 3: Poncho and we made it into a skirt. You saw
Speaker 3: two inches of it on, yeah, and as you swoop
Speaker 3: and I was like, well that.
Speaker 1: Was a wasted.
Speaker 3: We remember that.
Speaker 5: We commented on that and yeah, and I was like,
Speaker 5: that looks like a Christmas tree skirt a little bit,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't that far.
Speaker 1: It was a cave.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it was.
Speaker 5: But you amazing, But you haven't even gotten to like
Speaker 5: season two three or VI where I don't know if
Speaker 5: you remember things got pretty wacky.
Speaker 4: Is I'll just speak for myself with.
Speaker 5: My character, we were having so much fun and you
Speaker 5: were amazing, like you were let's try this, let's do that.
Speaker 4: And do you remember that part of.
Speaker 5: It, like as the show evolved, that you got to
Speaker 5: be creative and that you got to really like lean
Speaker 5: into like how the characters were changing and stuff, because
Speaker 5: personally I had a great experience of that.
Speaker 4: Do you remember?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I think for me the fact that they trusted
Speaker 3: me after a certain point because the show was getting
Speaker 3: a lot of notoriety for the costumes and and I
Speaker 3: think that they just let me have fun. And I
Speaker 3: mean I have to say, like the suits at D
Speaker 3: and D is so boring. I mean, that's like anything.
Speaker 1: I could do.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just is.
Speaker 2: It's like a workplace that explains that lime green one
Speaker 2: with the Bodice ties up.
Speaker 3: To that, but it just you know, you want to
Speaker 3: do something that's like fun and different and creative, and
Speaker 3: I think that Sydney was like the perfect character to
Speaker 3: do that also got to do with Josie. And even
Speaker 3: though I know you guys didn't like the funeral outfit because.
Speaker 2: Chaplin was like, what are we talking about it?
Speaker 3: We did not like it. We said it was cool,
Speaker 3: but it was like, what that's a little oversight. It
Speaker 3: was like a thirties thing that I don't know. It
Speaker 3: was like she was wearing.
Speaker 2: Well, we did comment on our bucket hats. You have
Speaker 2: these her and these hats. Maybe also I think you
Speaker 2: went with what we liked. So maybe that was Josie's preference,
Speaker 2: you like these little hats with the roses. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I know with me, I'm sure you did. What ever,
Speaker 2: I don't know about Alison and D and D, but
Speaker 2: you know, to say to me, Daphney playing Joe, like
Speaker 2: what do you think of this? What do you think
Speaker 2: I think we could have like a leeway. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there was that much leeway. And it was
Speaker 2: hard D and.
Speaker 3: D because you spent you ended up spending so much
Speaker 3: time in D and D. Yeah, except for when but
Speaker 3: I did. We did love a legging.
Speaker 1: We did love a legging, like you remember. I remember
Speaker 1: you saying to me you gotten a note from spelling shorter, brighter,
Speaker 1: tighter on Allison. Do you remember that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that that was said.
Speaker 1: Shorter, brighter, But what I see when I look at
Speaker 1: it is me because I was so self conscious that
Speaker 1: I wanted these voluminous shirts, which I think probably in
Speaker 1: real life looked good like Annie Hall sort of voluminous
Speaker 1: shirts and baggy pants, which on camera are terrible. So
Speaker 1: I wondered if you were thinking, look at Heather, who's
Speaker 1: wearing fitted clothes, and then why are you insisting on
Speaker 1: these baggy clothes? Because you have to deal with our insecurities, right,
Speaker 1: But were you thinking maybe you gave me that note
Speaker 1: to try to like prod me into wearing something fitting.
Speaker 3: I remember specifically you being very self conscious about your
Speaker 3: body and me thinking, she's out of her mind. She
Speaker 3: looks amazing, like she looks great, But you know, it's hard.
Speaker 3: It's hard to if you're not in the body, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's what you feel comfortable in, and that's you know,
Speaker 3: I know, if somebody put me in a short skirt,
Speaker 3: I would feel.
Speaker 1: Horrible, right even if they said, but your legs are gorgeous,
Speaker 1: it's your That's true.
Speaker 2: The problem with actresses in Hollywood throughout time, I mean
Speaker 2: comfort versus what the you know, decision makers want because
Speaker 2: what cells has always been at odds. It's not very
Speaker 2: comfortable what cells and what they want. I mean, otherwise
Speaker 2: we'd all be in sweats and like fancy leisure wear,
Speaker 2: you know, and it would be so comfortable. The shoes alone,
Speaker 2: we're doing the most common everyday things they want you in,
Speaker 2: like heels which have ruined the feet, by the way,
Speaker 2: so be careful youngsters.
Speaker 3: It's true, but I often say this whenever I start
Speaker 3: a job. I always say to an actor, now, like
Speaker 3: I will never put you any in anything that you
Speaker 3: feel uncomfortable in or it's going to affect your performance.
Speaker 3: Like if you don't feel like you're the character, you
Speaker 3: don't feel comfortable. The last thing you want to be worried.
Speaker 1: About is like, yeah, you look, or how you feel
Speaker 1: for you And you would have those battles like I
Speaker 1: remembered them saying we want Courtney in this, and you
Speaker 1: would say, I'll just tell them that I wanted you
Speaker 1: in this. I do really stand up for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do remember them like I'm saying, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to push something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I remember that too. I remember. I just
Speaker 2: remember us having creative. I don't remember any issues from
Speaker 2: the from the guys in are in Joe's situation. I
Speaker 2: remember us having a blast, and like I would also
Speaker 2: look forward to what I would come into, you know,
Speaker 2: and to add to my closet clothes were really cute.
Speaker 3: I would still wear them. But I do have to say,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously this is thirty years ago, so times
Speaker 3: have changed. But I don't feel certainly now that there's
Speaker 3: as much pressure about being thin as there was back then.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a different time, Like it was there
Speaker 3: was sort of a type that everybody wanted to be,
Speaker 3: like thin, Yeah, and it's not like that anymore. There's
Speaker 3: so many different shapes and it's sort of celebrated, and
Speaker 3: I just feel like thirty years ago it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't at all.
Speaker 1: And that was also we overlapped with friends and they
Speaker 1: were getting smaller and smaller and smaller. So the idea
Speaker 1: ideal went from four to two to zero. It was
Speaker 1: like it was so it was crazy.
Speaker 2: So well we yeah, I don't know what we were.
Speaker 2: I remember that for sure. I remember like and there
Speaker 2: was a double zero in there, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm only a zero.
Speaker 3: Like the department stores they would have, it would be
Speaker 3: a cat fight to get the zeros of the like that.
Speaker 3: You would have to like tell me when theory is
Speaker 3: getting new stuff in, and it was like a cat
Speaker 3: because they'd be gone like that. And only in La
Speaker 3: would that happened.
Speaker 1: And there's no online, No, that wasn't online. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you would have to carry all the returns back.
Speaker 3: I did have a PA to do that, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Denise you you I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: like there were some looks that you really brought to
Speaker 2: Meloe's place that stood out, like those chunky belts that
Speaker 2: we saw, you know, and chokers and I know, I
Speaker 2: mean I remember being in a shopper somewhere when I
Speaker 2: know that chokers and the necklaces that you brought to
Speaker 2: Melos place became such a fat I mean everyone wanted them,
Speaker 2: you know, and people were reaching out. I remember being
Speaker 2: somewhere and people saying, oh my god, I love those
Speaker 2: necklaces you would have on Meloe's place. I don't know
Speaker 2: how exactly there were different others than like chokers or
Speaker 2: a little I love k.
Speaker 3: One of the drop down I need a little larrier.
Speaker 5: Designers comeing to you and like wanting to stuff, and like, yeah.
Speaker 3: A jewelry was easy jewelry because people would and I
Speaker 3: still work with the same people. I mean, there's this designer,
Speaker 3: April Star Davis. She makes made this. You know, I
Speaker 3: still use her thirty years later. But you know, people
Speaker 3: like that, and this designer Lori Lori and this vintage designer.
Speaker 3: They would send me boxes because that's easy. You could
Speaker 3: send a box of jewelry and then I would just
Speaker 3: keep what I wanted and send the rest back and
Speaker 3: to send them a check. So the jewelry was something
Speaker 3: I could really play with. And also, if you think
Speaker 3: about it, like everything is like this. You do those
Speaker 3: close ups and this is what you're seeing, and I
Speaker 3: just in that first time, I'm like, wow, really cute jewelry,
Speaker 3: Like all of that jewels was super cute.
Speaker 2: Oh that was you. I know, you like started treads.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just like you were following a trend. You know,
Speaker 2: like those were art. I don't know other shows that
Speaker 2: really had that choker look or the known for the necklace.
Speaker 3: But I'm in watching I thought it was really cute.
Speaker 1: When did they notice? When did the budgets shift? Because
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the first year the budget was probably pretty tight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as we became sort of a fashion show, when did
Speaker 1: that shift?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I don't remember there being a shift.
Speaker 3: I just look back now and thought, I think to myself,
Speaker 3: we didn't have any money.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 3: I was, but I don't remember every being hassled. But
Speaker 3: I also remember being very conscientious about what we spent.
Speaker 3: And I think we had something called like an amort fund,
Speaker 3: which we would just build the closet over the But
Speaker 3: who does thirty two episodes?
Speaker 5: No, it's insane, and to do too it once for
Speaker 5: the customer especially, you just can't imagine a hustle that
Speaker 5: like it seemed like an impossible task and somehow you
Speaker 5: managed it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and also it's not like we had like
Speaker 2: in this closet things that we'd rewar except if it
Speaker 2: were a pair of jeans, you know, blue jeans or
Speaker 2: black jeans, or some shoes that were comfortable that worked
Speaker 2: with things boots, but like I never wore the same
Speaker 2: top twice. I don't think did anyone else.
Speaker 3: You wear the same jacks and down jacket that had
Speaker 3: like these Hawaiian I wore them twice, You were twice,
Speaker 3: and Billy wore a couple of things twice.
Speaker 2: On Melrose.
Speaker 1: Well, my memory of Andrews, he didn't care, like you
Speaker 1: put in his trailer. He'd put it on like he
Speaker 1: was like, so, why was he wearing this? Like he
Speaker 1: never he didn't care. Andrew, Oh, he didn't didn't care.
Speaker 1: Link yeah, like you want to fit you go, I
Speaker 1: don't care, just put it in my room. He didn't care.
Speaker 3: But he and Grant they look great and everything looked great.
Speaker 2: Did they really wear a shirt?
Speaker 1: And there was a scene recently which I couldn't keep
Speaker 1: talking about where Andrews in in jeans and no shirt.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's the outfit. He should wear the
Speaker 1: Hawaiian shirts shirt out of the equation. Why was he
Speaker 1: ever wearing.
Speaker 3: I saw that. It was before you guys got together, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, you see Alison walk and I'm like, yes, me too, Allison.
Speaker 1: We're on the same page.
Speaker 2: I mean that reminds me, like this show is more
Speaker 2: male sex scene, you know, topless kind of like outfits,
Speaker 2: like they were topless more a lot. And I'm just
Speaker 2: wondering if if you had from the boys, like, can
Speaker 2: we just pop a couple of shirts in my thing
Speaker 2: just in case I want not want to be half nude?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Like would Grant or
Speaker 2: or Andrew or anyone. Thomas didn't do it as much,
Speaker 2: but like give me some T shirts and care and
Speaker 2: just in care.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think they cared.
Speaker 2: They didn't care.
Speaker 3: They just went.
Speaker 1: They just went.
Speaker 4: They were so easy shirtless again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I Doug like Doug. I mean we were trying
Speaker 3: to like make him look a little fashioning and a
Speaker 3: little bright, but without being stereotypical. And he was a
Speaker 3: good sport.
Speaker 1: Now what about those T shirts?
Speaker 2: Those T shirts were a thing sort of.
Speaker 5: Like socially conscious like sort of shirts, and yeah, he
Speaker 5: had cool I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if those were just picked because they were around
Speaker 2: these like about aids and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were just trying to make have him make
Speaker 3: some sort of political statement because he was, you know,
Speaker 3: he was a socially conscious Yeah, he was like and
Speaker 3: we I think that's what we wanted to portray more
Speaker 3: than the fact that he was gay, that he was
Speaker 3: socially conscious. Yeah, yeah, and that made sense, So wear
Speaker 3: a billboard board on your T shirt.
Speaker 4: A costomer and an actor.
Speaker 5: It's such an intimate relationship, like Courtney was saying, like,
Speaker 5: you're really you have to you have to trust your
Speaker 5: customers so much that you're going to be like I'm
Speaker 5: in this fitting and I'm you know, last week, I whatever,
Speaker 5: like when people's weight fluctuates in all those things. It's
Speaker 5: like such an intimate relationship.
Speaker 4: And then you're the one.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys, when if we're in
Speaker 5: a love scene or something and we're in a state
Speaker 5: of you know, undress at some point, it's a really
Speaker 5: really vulnerable thing, and who do we want there?
Speaker 4: But like I want the customer.
Speaker 5: To be there to like look out for me and
Speaker 5: to tape our books and yeah, like just make sure
Speaker 5: nothing's falling out or like whatever, and it's just in
Speaker 5: the real it was like such an intimate relationship to have,
Speaker 5: and I think it probably is all you know, always
Speaker 5: on every project, but for something that we did for.
Speaker 2: You, Calfing is always on set and you were always
Speaker 2: like I would come in there and be like an
Speaker 2: like an armor of nude pieces, anything everything you could
Speaker 2: possibly want to feel safe.
Speaker 3: But also makeup too was really important. You need a team,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah again, especially thirty years ago, you just
Speaker 3: want to have your team and the people you trust.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've always been.
Speaker 5: Really so, did any do you have any recollection? Did
Speaker 5: anybody ask you to do anything weird? Like, Okay, that
Speaker 5: was a weird request, or oh, this is a strange
Speaker 5: job that I have. I've just just asked to do
Speaker 5: this bizarre thing, like do you ours?
Speaker 3: So I have a good story, but I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Just tell the story.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I remember.
Speaker 3: One actress on our show who wasn't on that long.
Speaker 3: She was you know, bodysuits were really big, and you
Speaker 3: know they snapped at the crotch, and she put it on.
Speaker 3: She goes, can you.
Speaker 2: Snap my bodysuit?
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, but you can snap it
Speaker 3: first and step into it because that's usually the way
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I remember she's walking around. We used to have used
Speaker 1: to have my body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does she go to anyone after you is that
Speaker 2: what I was saying? Well, my body just like that's
Speaker 2: the way you just rang about. I think I remember
Speaker 2: you saying that.
Speaker 1: I remember you saying like that.
Speaker 2: She but that's a good answer.
Speaker 3: Look, I noticed you were a lot of bodies were
Speaker 3: like the guitards and they had like a little laced
Speaker 3: things on them and they can't but actually they made sense,
Speaker 3: but they just stopped.
Speaker 2: They were huge. They're back there, they're back not with me,
Speaker 2: I walk right, Yeah we did that.
Speaker 3: But the highwaisted jeans, the you know, the nineties jeans
Speaker 3: are back.
Speaker 2: Yes, those are cute and they're all baggy of pair
Speaker 2: and you sink it with the belt.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you were watching the first season, did
Speaker 1: anything stand out for you, Like did you like an
Speaker 1: outfit where you went? There was one before you, before
Speaker 1: you were a costumer. I had this huge striped jacket.
Speaker 1: I looked like a Carnival Barker, And I was like,
Speaker 1: how did that get by anybody?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why wasn't I stopped at the door to the set saying,
Speaker 1: hold on, was there anything again? You didn't do anything
Speaker 1: that was like for good or bad that you went
Speaker 1: all nailed it or oh what happened? There.
Speaker 3: I think that there were certain things that I looked
Speaker 3: at and I'm like, I would have done that different.
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a couple I think you were
Speaker 3: in some lime green suit or something.
Speaker 1: That's the dress that Dafty keeps talking about it just
Speaker 1: like what it was.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking every wardrobe by the way, I'm going
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking, but this is Denise, And then I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't have a shopper.
Speaker 1: No, as you're doing so much.
Speaker 3: I was saying, it's like Lucy and Ethel and the
Speaker 3: chocolate factory, and I was just like cranking him out.
Speaker 1: And also you're coordinating. So if you have four or
Speaker 1: five people, so probably someone else got to wear blue,
Speaker 1: someone else got to wear brown, We're like, well, Courtney
Speaker 1: and lime green, Like it's not right. You're coordinating so many.
Speaker 5: Because that is one of the things, like you can't
Speaker 5: have three people in the same color in the same scene,
Speaker 5: so you have to.
Speaker 2: But that also was a nineties. It also was a nineties.
Speaker 2: There was corsets. This is the time of like you
Speaker 2: know a lot of that kind of rocker sexy stuff,
Speaker 2: like you know, we look at it now and it's
Speaker 2: easy to go, oh, what But then I have to go, Okay,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Yeah, nineteen ninety three, this was probably
Speaker 2: all the.
Speaker 1: Rage, but I think it was oversized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everything was oversized. But I in one of
Speaker 3: the last episodes, and I think it was because Amanda
Speaker 3: was pregnant and had just bundle the hospital. But I
Speaker 3: had her in like this beige T shirt and it
Speaker 3: was so ugly and it made her skin look so ugly,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, maybe I did it on purpose so
Speaker 3: she would look like sad and tale, but it was
Speaker 3: like such an ugly outfit.
Speaker 2: I was like, that was a bit anything being really ugly.
Speaker 3: As we started to get guest stars, it got more
Speaker 3: and more crazy, and there were more and more guest stars,
Speaker 3: and I remember Lonnie Anderson like maybe at Neman's right,
Speaker 3: it would be yeah, there's Alayah, and you know it
Speaker 3: just wasn't my well, I mean it wasn't your budget.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't my budgets for the entire Yeah.
Speaker 1: One dress, wellyah, well, I was looking at like, especially
Speaker 1: looking at Heather, I would think, oh, there's someone who
Speaker 1: knows what works with their body as a costumer. It
Speaker 1: must be great because she comes in and says, these
Speaker 1: are the brands. I like, this is what fits me out,
Speaker 1: this out works. And I felt like I had no idea,
Speaker 1: like I was trying to figure it out on camera.
Speaker 1: Like I think by the end, I remember, by the end,
Speaker 1: things got more fitted and you were able to sort
Speaker 1: of get me into things that made more sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it must be so different to work with an
Speaker 1: actor who kind of says, this is what works and
Speaker 1: an actor who just I don't know right.
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like she had sort of a uniform.
Speaker 3: And do you remember our seamstress Saran. Yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: Saran sadly passed away, but she was great and she
Speaker 3: had she had mannequins which were the size for everyone.
Speaker 3: So I would end up and knowing that there were
Speaker 3: certain brands like Bbe that back in the day for Heather,
Speaker 3: and so I would buy and we'd have it fitted
Speaker 3: and it wasn't I didn't even need to do fittings
Speaker 3: as much, but you were. We were really trying stuff out,
Speaker 3: and I was trying different styles and different But I
Speaker 3: did like the little floral dresses with Jean jackets on you.
Speaker 1: That was that was really cute. That was a cute look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw some of those Flora with the sweaters,
Speaker 2: like knitted sweaters. I saw Josie actually a couple of
Speaker 2: episodes ago with a big with the pink knitted crochet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Josie's another one who really knew what looked
Speaker 1: good on her body, Like she really could. She modeled
Speaker 1: sense of herself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was pretty. She was pretty easy as well.
Speaker 3: And again because she was doing the fashion thing, it
Speaker 3: was easier to get a little more creative. But and
Speaker 3: but then there were outfits I looked, oh, that looks
Speaker 3: so cute on it, and then there's other ones that
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, we could have done better, or we
Speaker 3: should have or maybe I wouldn't do that again. And
Speaker 3: you do that with everything, like even if you just
Speaker 3: look at yourself on like red Carpets past and you
Speaker 3: can look at yourself.
Speaker 1: And which is what I do most days, it's very sad.
Speaker 1: It's dark and very sad.
Speaker 2: You well, that was the era that was that year.
Speaker 2: It was very bin Yeah.
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to remember when they when you came back, because.
Speaker 4: It was so I come in season two to stay.
Speaker 3: At the beginning of season two, yes, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: And so what I don't remember, and we'll have to
Speaker 5: get there in our recaps is which season it turned
Speaker 5: into sort of Sydney trying on different ways of dressing
Speaker 5: like to match sort of what she was going through,
Speaker 5: Like that's how I feel like, and we started doing
Speaker 5: that together and it was just like I just remember
Speaker 5: that being a blast.
Speaker 3: It was loads of fun.
Speaker 5: There was when she was being a housewife and then
Speaker 5: I was in like a lot of sixties like shift dresses,
Speaker 5: and then my hair was slipped and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and it was just like we just went with that.
Speaker 5: Do you ever remember like getting pushback on that because
Speaker 5: it was so not what the rest of the show
Speaker 5: was doing, Like we were kind of, I feel like,
Speaker 5: pushing boundaries that weren't really typical spelling characters or whatever.
Speaker 5: But Sydney was kind of pushing those boundaries. Do you
Speaker 5: ever remember them going Okay, now that's too much.
Speaker 3: No, Because I think the audience loved Sydney, and I
Speaker 3: think that they thought she was just like cock cuckoo
Speaker 3: yeah for Coco Pops, and they just loved everything. I
Speaker 3: think that the more and then but also the show
Speaker 3: started to jump the sharks.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, then they're like.
Speaker 2: Everything was nuts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just ramped up into this kind of crazy
Speaker 3: world of what's going to happen next? So I think
Speaker 3: that to see what's going to happen next and what
Speaker 3: is Sydney wearing?
Speaker 1: Is Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I think you must have been shopping vintage too. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean that was crazy.
Speaker 2: So where are some of your favorite places in La?
Speaker 2: Now you've been doing it all these years since and
Speaker 2: you've been working so much NonStop, it seems on great
Speaker 2: films and stuff like in La vintage or shops. Where
Speaker 2: do you like to shop?
Speaker 3: I have to say that I still like, even from
Speaker 3: back then, I still have a real love a vintage,
Speaker 3: not only just for the carbon footprint of recycling and reusing.
Speaker 3: So every job I do, I try to use vintage. Yeah,
Speaker 3: except when you need multiples and stuff. I really I
Speaker 3: I just find it.
Speaker 2: Did that come in handy? Did you do that for
Speaker 2: Daisy Joe?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did it for Daiy Jones almost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was a lot of it. That's easy
Speaker 2: to do vintage because it was like a Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Built a lot of stuff and did a lot of vintage,
Speaker 3: And I have to say now that thing you can
Speaker 3: find things online, Like if I was doing melrose Place now,
Speaker 3: it would just be I would just have such a
Speaker 3: blast because you can buy stuff from all over the
Speaker 3: world and you can find really interesting designers that you know,
Speaker 3: young designers that are working in Europe or and I
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys remember. So this is a
Speaker 3: great story that Aaron Spelling allowed me to use my
Speaker 3: own personal credit card to shop for the show, and
Speaker 3: in turn I would get mileage and every Christmas break
Speaker 3: I would go somewhere. So one year I went to
Speaker 3: Paris and I shopped in Paris for the show. So
Speaker 3: the deal was that I could shop on our hiatus
Speaker 3: for the show. And one year I went to Japan
Speaker 3: and Hong Kong and came back with some stuff from there,
Speaker 3: and then they cut that off. They realized they would
Speaker 3: rather have the points. And I'm just like, really darn it,
Speaker 3: because I'm kind of working for free getting some really
Speaker 3: cool stuff Europe, and.
Speaker 5: I did have a kimono, I think.
Speaker 3: Yes, and then I thought some really cool stuff for Josie.
Speaker 3: But then so then that was kind of the beginning
Speaker 3: of the wah wah. I was like, Okay, that sucks.
Speaker 2: They want you to they want it to look like
Speaker 2: you're making it look but from Target and Valencia.
Speaker 3: And I was really trying hard. I was trying hard
Speaker 3: to find new designers, trying hard to make it look different,
Speaker 3: trying hard to find so many outfits for thirty two episodes,
Speaker 3: and it was, you know, it became it became a
Speaker 3: bit of a grind out, like on the fifth season,
Speaker 3: like it just and I think it. I don't know
Speaker 3: how it is for an actor, but if you're doing
Speaker 3: the same thing over and over, it felt a little
Speaker 3: bit like groundhog Day. And so you know, if you're
Speaker 3: playing the same character day after day after day, and
Speaker 3: like getting up at four thirty in the morning driving
Speaker 3: to Valencia, I was like, it was total groundhog Day.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, especially with the double ups.
Speaker 4: And did you leave after season five?
Speaker 3: Is that I can't remember, like when yeah, it was
Speaker 3: either going into season five, I think, yeah, it might
Speaker 3: have been. I can't I have to watch them and see.
Speaker 3: But what I realized is I haven't really watched I
Speaker 3: don't think I really watched the shows.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't enough time. We work all the time. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: who's going to go home and watch it?
Speaker 3: And I don't even remember because I wasn't on set,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of exciting, like it's exciting to watch them,
Speaker 3: and all this time later.
Speaker 2: We're finding it like, as someone else mentioned to us,
Speaker 2: it's like we're like being fans of the show because
Speaker 2: we're sitting relaxed. It's thirty five years later and we're
Speaker 2: just watching it as the audience saw it, and I'm
Speaker 2: getting to see, like how why they loved it so much.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really loving the show as we watch it,
Speaker 2: which back then you're just in the trenches, you know,
Speaker 2: fitting yourself into outfits and you know, learning all these
Speaker 2: lines and working, and.
Speaker 3: People had these Melrose Place watching parties, and I just
Speaker 3: I think I was dis exhausted all the time.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't like you could binge them or
Speaker 3: stream them or I guess you could record them, but.
Speaker 1: Could videotape ITV.
Speaker 3: And sometimes said the time would work.
Speaker 2: I didn't even have TiVo back then. Yeah, it came later.
Speaker 3: We didn't have cell phone. No, all of the photos
Speaker 3: I took were like polaroids and I would have to
Speaker 3: send for Aaron's spilling.
Speaker 1: To approve one hour, you have to message I picture you,
Speaker 1: like in sacks, getting a nine one one having to
Speaker 1: find a phone, Like that's what I see. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: of us suddenly doesn't like our top. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I can't remember when cell phones, you know, came.
Speaker 2: It was late. It was late.
Speaker 4: They were car phones. For a while, it was just
Speaker 4: a car phone.
Speaker 1: I think I did her phone, remember those They were big,
Speaker 1: like hello, Roger, I don't want Roger, but it was still, yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Car phone.
Speaker 3: It was the car phone was first, and that was
Speaker 3: like a real luxury and the other.
Speaker 1: Thing people don't understand that. I remember like sometimes I
Speaker 1: would see outfit and I'd be like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of it, and I'd wear it for like
Speaker 1: five scenes because normally have the conversation, which is there's
Speaker 1: a shirt you don't really like, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: are you willing to wear it for one scene? Like
Speaker 1: we have this quick in and out and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: did you trick me into wearing that for five scenes?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Like if a script day went on the.
Speaker 1: Back again, Well, I had these voluminous pants that I
Speaker 1: must have loved. They're big, huge pleated pants, which also
Speaker 1: I think were in style, but I think they must have.
Speaker 1: It's that idea of if you feel like you want
Speaker 1: to look thinner, like you feel thinner in big pants.
Speaker 1: You don't look thinner, but you feel it. You look
Speaker 1: all this, so it's they're voluminous, so I must be
Speaker 1: like somewhere in this I must look dying. And then
Speaker 1: Andrew had them on too. I'm like, are we sharing pants?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Are we pleated pants? It was this thought it was,
Speaker 1: and it's back and it's back. Pleated jeans are back,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm like, oh my god, pleated jeans.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine we pleated?
Speaker 3: Bit we sort of pleated, but not like not like
Speaker 3: the big baggy pants, but I do. And the other
Speaker 3: pant is. The other thing is you couldn't get mail,
Speaker 3: fan letters, you couldn't have people. So what would happen
Speaker 3: is the show would air and then two weeks later
Speaker 3: I would get a bunch of handwritten letters mailed to
Speaker 3: the office, mail to the offer saying what saying, Well,
Speaker 3: the feedback of some feedback, but one of the biggest
Speaker 3: requests is you had a Chanel bathrobe, a blue Shanel
Speaker 3: bathrobe with the moon on and a moon and a star.
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted that I swear to god if I had
Speaker 3: a nickel. But every person that asked where they could
Speaker 3: get that and.
Speaker 1: They couldn't look it up online.
Speaker 3: Now you couldn't Google image.
Speaker 2: Did you get it?
Speaker 3: I don't remember. We were.
Speaker 5: I think we were all like envious of that bathroob too,
Speaker 5: because it was like, oh my god, that is so
Speaker 5: cute and it's like so cozy.
Speaker 2: But there are some pieces that were iconic. That was
Speaker 2: definitely one of them.
Speaker 5: I have a polaroid of Sydney's bathrobe, so that you know,
Speaker 5: you take a polaroid of every outfit so you have
Speaker 5: a record of it in your book of polaroids whatever.
Speaker 5: But I have one of those polaroids still, and it
Speaker 5: must have been my bathrobe for something, because it was
Speaker 5: like my imitation, like, you know, as close as I
Speaker 5: could get to to what Alison's it was.
Speaker 3: You know what, I realized somewhere in a drawer, I
Speaker 3: probably have polaroids. I should. I wish I would have,
Speaker 3: Like I just got back, but I would wish I
Speaker 3: would have kind of gone through them to see. It
Speaker 3: would have been interesting to see.
Speaker 5: What isn't that funny? It's like it's the only copy
Speaker 5: of something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just got back from we said you
Speaker 2: were in Prague.
Speaker 3: I was in Hungry, Hungry, Budapeste, Morocco and the Sahara Desert.
Speaker 2: And what were you shooting there? What movie?
Speaker 3: I was doing a movie called Matchbox or Skydance, Mattel
Speaker 3: and Apple And it's like, yeah, a big back to
Speaker 3: the movie like cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what was that like shooting those different What
Speaker 2: is I guess because we're talking about you know, what
Speaker 2: it's like to actually do what you have to do?
Speaker 2: What is it like when you're in all these different countries?
Speaker 3: It's difficult. I had a big crew, it wasn't just me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you had a big, big budget.
Speaker 3: But you know the irony of I really like features
Speaker 3: because I like or or or just movies like they
Speaker 3: don't have to be big. I like small movies. I
Speaker 3: like doing independ movies. I like a beginning of middle
Speaker 3: and an end. It's very tidy. You get to do
Speaker 3: the character and then it's over and you can go
Speaker 3: home with your life. And I hadn't done a series
Speaker 3: until I did Daisy Jones in the six and that
Speaker 3: was twenty eight years later. Wow, Because I was so
Speaker 3: like and I kept saying, I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I haven't done a series since melrose Place, and everybody
Speaker 3: was like the reboot. I'm like, no, the original it
Speaker 3: was a limited series, right, so it was limited, but
Speaker 3: it was it ended up being two years because we
Speaker 3: shut down for COVID and then it would became a
Speaker 3: big you know, we shut down because it was such
Speaker 3: a big show. So it was two years of sort
Speaker 3: of making and it was ten episodes and it felt
Speaker 3: like it was one hundred.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was. I was on it for so long.
Speaker 5: So as much as you won an Emmy for it,
Speaker 5: did it also confirm like Nope, I like movies, you know.
Speaker 3: But everybody's doing these limited series now, which is.
Speaker 2: What everything works.
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing, and you know, I find it.
Speaker 3: I find it interesting, but it's it was like doing
Speaker 3: a ten hour movie. It was long, but nothing like
Speaker 3: nobody does thirty two episodes, nothing like that.
Speaker 2: It's possible, it just wouldn't. Yeah, I forget who it was.
Speaker 2: It may have been David Mammutt who started who did Theater,
Speaker 2: obviously wrote theater and then he I think he said
Speaker 2: it about TV. He said, no, it was about doing
Speaker 2: a movie. Is like running a marathon. Doing TV is
Speaker 2: like running a marathon until you're dead. And that's true.
Speaker 2: You just I mean, I just feel like bleary eyed
Speaker 2: and we would get the script to go. It's kind
Speaker 2: of what I did last week, but a different guy.
Speaker 2: And then I you know, it's just going to have.
Speaker 3: A trail like you were just on the trail.
Speaker 1: We didn't do it at this age, Like, no, in
Speaker 1: my twenties, I could do it. And I remember Deborah
Speaker 1: Dare saying one morning, she goes, yeah, you can get
Speaker 1: up at six am in your twenties. It's like what
Speaker 1: oh no, oh yeah, Now I'm like, oh, I get
Speaker 1: what she means. Yeah, I understood what I couldn't do
Speaker 1: a week of fourteen hour days at this point.
Speaker 2: I remember driving up there in the dark, driving up
Speaker 2: to Santa right up.
Speaker 1: In the dark, and drive home in the dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would drive up before.
Speaker 2: I remember the first Starbucks that opened up there. Remember
Speaker 2: on that there was like two exits before ECCE and
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I'm here before six. It was
Speaker 2: it was so furious.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just it's the it's the non stop.
Speaker 3: It was just like never ending. But again, now I
Speaker 3: look back, and I did have a great time. Like
Speaker 3: it was really I was you know, I got that show.
Speaker 1: I was twenty six years ol when we were young.
Speaker 1: That's the time you would actually when you're young, right,
Speaker 1: that was the time.
Speaker 2: So lucky.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and to start because you started, we weren't
Speaker 1: a hit yet. So to sort of ride that ride
Speaker 1: and have this thing become something, it's so rare and
Speaker 1: it was so exciting. Yeah, it was really fun.
Speaker 3: I had Fox News following me around a shopping on
Speaker 3: a shopping spree, wunch, I was in Harper's Bizarre, I
Speaker 3: was in all these things. I had all these people
Speaker 3: doing articles which I completely took for granted. And by
Speaker 3: the way, no social media, like none of that. And
Speaker 3: I just I look back now, I was like, what
Speaker 3: a gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what.
Speaker 3: A gift to me? And to work with such great people,
Speaker 3: and like really, you know, and to see you guys
Speaker 3: so many years later and just to see how well
Speaker 3: everyone's doing it just fills me with.
Speaker 1: Such Ye did you find it different? So you're at
Speaker 1: the mall and you're working on this little show. Nobody's
Speaker 1: watching myro's place, And then as it changed, did they
Speaker 1: treat you differently at the mall. Yes, with blooming Dale's
Speaker 1: happier to see you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was like a good customer.
Speaker 2: Yea, every week you.
Speaker 3: Had long And then that's when I think people started
Speaker 3: to reach out to me more and people. There was
Speaker 3: a woman who had a shop in Beverly Hills, Jamie Lynn,
Speaker 3: and she she would bring a van and come out
Speaker 3: to and so people started making appointments. And then when
Speaker 3: they would bring me stuff, that's amazing. So that that
Speaker 3: was cool. That then it would made my job a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 1: You You're like, I'm sorry, where are you?
Speaker 5: We were a little bit out of the regular and.
Speaker 3: Nothing was there back then. Now at least there's.
Speaker 2: Like no, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We had movie calendars yep, and Magic Mountain Magic basically
Speaker 1: what we had. Don't forget it was Targetarget.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't the good Target. It was like the
Speaker 3: old like Walmart Target back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you need it underwork, could you.
Speaker 2: Kind of make you know what I went to Target
Speaker 2: with I forget who. I don't know if it's anyone
Speaker 2: in this room. It could have been with Tony. I
Speaker 2: remember I went to Target to get earthquake. Years you
Speaker 2: went with Heather with Heather, I remember to get to
Speaker 2: get earthquake like goods because after the earthquake, so it's
Speaker 2: like we were finally when we started going back to work.
Speaker 2: We went there to get like the I don't know
Speaker 2: wherever you get the I remember a sleeping bag. I
Speaker 2: remember like water filter. I remember just getting earthquake kits
Speaker 2: tough from target out there. So do you?
Speaker 1: People don't remember that?
Speaker 4: The freeway the ninety four earthquake.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in ninety four, the freeway collapsed.
Speaker 4: Were you working that morning?
Speaker 3: I was working that morning, me too. I was on
Speaker 3: my way me too.
Speaker 4: Did you make it to the set?
Speaker 3: No? Did you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: But in the most roundabout because the route through was
Speaker 5: right on this route where the freeway had collapsed. One
Speaker 5: freeway had collapsed on top of another and everything just
Speaker 5: went down. It was this pile of rubble.
Speaker 1: How did you begin to see it? I thought, you
Speaker 1: know what I was.
Speaker 5: I was just shy of it, south of it when
Speaker 5: it must have happened, right, So I saw the earthquake
Speaker 5: happening because there was this giant power surge in the darkness.
Speaker 5: It was four thirty in the morning, right, yeah, striving
Speaker 5: to work. Yeah, And it was nice. I was the
Speaker 5: first scene up that day. So what I was asking you,
Speaker 5: like if you were coming that day too, because there
Speaker 5: was a there was a small crew of us that
Speaker 5: we all were supposed to be reporting to work that
Speaker 5: morning by five or whatever, and so they were keeping
Speaker 5: track like who's supposed to be here and who hasn't arrived,
Speaker 5: and it was a big deal. Our our stages separated,
Speaker 5: you know, put us on Forest Masure for a while
Speaker 5: because remember that we had shut.
Speaker 1: Down just sits there.
Speaker 4: So so I came up to that point on the
Speaker 4: freeway and it was like just rubble cloud like it was.
Speaker 1: You couldn't see.
Speaker 5: And at that point, people were driving south on the
Speaker 5: northbound five. So I was driving slow, slowly, and I
Speaker 5: was on the phone with my mom. By then, I
Speaker 5: must have had a car phone, and I was on
Speaker 5: the phone going, this is so weird. There's cars coming
Speaker 5: at me on the and then our phone died. Terrible
Speaker 5: for her on the other end. But what I came
Speaker 5: to a stop because everybody was stopped and they were
Speaker 5: getting out of their cars and they were overlooking where
Speaker 5: the freeway had collapsed, and you could literally stand on
Speaker 5: the edge of it and it was just rubble and dust,
Speaker 5: and it was you couldn't see through the air because
Speaker 5: it was so filled with rubble and dust, and so
Speaker 5: people were choosing to just turn around and head south
Speaker 5: on the five. But I'm like, so I gotta get
Speaker 5: to work. Like this mentality is like I need to
Speaker 5: go to work. But so I so I ran into
Speaker 5: who was our nurse?
Speaker 4: Her name is?
Speaker 2: It's okay, Ruth?
Speaker 4: What's her name?
Speaker 5: Anyway, we saw each other on the five freeway. We
Speaker 5: were both stepped out of our cars and we're like
Speaker 5: and we were we vowed to like try to get
Speaker 5: to work together. We knew we could back up a
Speaker 5: little ways and get off on this exit and like
Speaker 5: take side streets to get there, like near the fourteen,
Speaker 5: so we both decided to do that. Well, as we
Speaker 5: went down this exit ramp, the visibility got so bad
Speaker 5: because we were just engulfed and you couldn't I couldn't
Speaker 5: see my windshield. I mean it was just a piece
Speaker 5: of glass, but it was so I was like, am
Speaker 5: I going to drive off the side? I couldn't see
Speaker 5: where it was going. Anyway, long story, finally managed to
Speaker 5: make it to work and like to find out that like,
Speaker 5: you know, the stages were terrified. People were hanging from
Speaker 5: the you know, they were hanging lights inside those stages
Speaker 5: when the earthquake hit, Like can you imagine how terrifying
Speaker 5: that would have been. I was wondering if you were there,
Speaker 5: because what we did is we ended up leaving the set.
Speaker 5: It's you know, the sort of gas leak up there
Speaker 5: in Santa Claraica. And we went to Michelle's house. He
Speaker 5: lived out there a DP right, and we waited for
Speaker 5: the sun to come up, and he barbecued coffee and
Speaker 5: it was just like this bonding thing of all of
Speaker 5: us who were there that morning.
Speaker 4: And I was trying to remember, like, oh, were.
Speaker 1: You trying to get home?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't get because my my garage, my gate
Speaker 3: was electric. So I was trying to get out. I
Speaker 3: was trying to I couldn't get out, but I was
Speaker 3: on my way to work. And then they called and said,
Speaker 3: don't don't.
Speaker 4: Come in, and I was like, already on my way.
Speaker 5: I'm like gott to get to it, like stupid, Like
Speaker 5: I just didn't realize the scope.
Speaker 2: Of ever, you know, and I just kept driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we were down quite some time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like a couple of weeks while they
Speaker 5: had to repair the stages.
Speaker 1: And all that. When they started and for some reason,
Speaker 1: I wasn't working that week. But before the freeway, you
Speaker 1: must remember it. The route took like an hour and
Speaker 1: a ho.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was forever to get to work and home
Speaker 5: after Yeah, while they were working.
Speaker 3: Fourteen probably yeah, to come around.
Speaker 5: I mean that morning, I have no idea what I did.
Speaker 5: I just I was just like driving just it was surreal.
Speaker 5: There was like that was on fire over there, and
Speaker 5: that was on fire over there, and there was like
Speaker 5: there was a rubble across the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember being thrown out of bed. I was
Speaker 2: in Laurel Canyon and I work that day, or maybe
Speaker 2: I was supposed to work later, but I just you know,
Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere. I know, I didn't work first up.
Speaker 5: No, I think it was Thomas and I had a
Speaker 5: scene and so we were the only ones showing up
Speaker 5: that early.
Speaker 3: You know, have you guys had thomasin we have? It
Speaker 3: was so easy to hate on that show.
Speaker 2: So fun. That's the other thing. I'm getting so invested.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I.
Speaker 1: Can't believe this show. I can't believe she's doing that
Speaker 1: to her.
Speaker 2: You know, like the whole Kimberly and Michael thing is
Speaker 2: driving me crazy and hasn't even gotten started. We're just
Speaker 2: getting started, and I don't know if I can handle it.
Speaker 5: Well, you'll have to come back when when we're in
Speaker 5: season two and three.
Speaker 4: So yeah, like crazy clothes.
Speaker 3: I love listening to Jack Wagner too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so fun.
Speaker 2: That so much fun. You know, what we would love
Speaker 2: you to do is recap with us, Like if we
Speaker 2: could somehow do show scenes on you can just see
Speaker 2: you because it's been worst outfit, but it would be
Speaker 2: like to do a freeze frame and go, Denise answer
Speaker 2: for that. What were you thinking? That was Jack two
Speaker 2: hours on his hair? Because I would have piped.
Speaker 3: In about that Josie funeral of it, but because I
Speaker 3: had listened to it, I'm like, what was that there?
Speaker 2: And then you saw it was a bad kind of fashioning.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thumbs up thumbs down of the episode.
Speaker 2: Well, clearly everything you did was right because not only
Speaker 2: did it launch the show into like doing so great,
Speaker 2: but then your career never stopped. Really you just know,
Speaker 2: to do these big movies and stuff.
Speaker 3: It was it was, it was definitely choice. It would
Speaker 3: have been it would have been easy to stay, but
Speaker 3: it was it was it was the right time. Like
Speaker 3: you know sometimes yeah, sure you want to leave at
Speaker 3: the height of the wedding. You don't want to be
Speaker 3: the drunk ant like what to do?
Speaker 1: Like, I feel really lucky that we got you in
Speaker 1: the beginning of your career, that we got to have
Speaker 1: that experience. I feel like it were like you were
Speaker 1: taking off. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, And I think the first feature I did,
Speaker 3: one of the first it was Cruel Intentions right after that,
Speaker 3: so that was a real that was real fun.
Speaker 2: And when you came onto this were you what else
Speaker 2: had you done before Melrose and they that they found
Speaker 2: you that they asked you to come in for.
Speaker 3: I had been an assistant for a long time and
Speaker 3: I had done I did a TV series called Shannon Steel.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if you guys know that Aaron
Speaker 3: Spelling used to have a costume house and it was
Speaker 3: called Spelling Wardrobe and it was all the clothes from
Speaker 3: Dynasty and Dallas and like all not slanding a gown
Speaker 3: and so this woman named Eilish ran it and she
Speaker 3: was like a long time Spelling she did all the
Speaker 3: costumes for all those shows, and she was just this
Speaker 3: woman with impeccable taste. But I would go in there
Speaker 3: all the time. I was really young, and she and
Speaker 3: I just hit it off, and I was really always
Speaker 3: really fun and nice. And she when they wanted to
Speaker 3: make a change on Melrose Place, she called Spelling and
Speaker 3: she's like, there's a young girl.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: She's got some really good taste and some good energy,
Speaker 3: and I think you should be there, and they hired
Speaker 3: me on the spot. Always be nice to people because
Speaker 3: you never.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, indeed you know yeah, and you're just that's
Speaker 2: such a great lesson. The path goes like this twisty
Speaker 2: tur you never know what wardrobe clause are you're going
Speaker 2: to be and showing your passion and your.
Speaker 3: And you never know what madrid you're going to cross
Speaker 3: back again. Especially being in the business for so long,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you think those are old and dead
Speaker 3: and then they come around again.
Speaker 2: Got to hang in there, well, Denise, that's amazing, amazing.
Speaker 5: I hope you come back, and I think we could
Speaker 5: give you a whole segment of your own, just like
Speaker 5: what would Denise say this episode?
Speaker 3: I'm willing to watch every episode. I now I am
Speaker 3: willing to say what was it was? The what was
Speaker 3: I thinking?
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, You're welcome. You had on a little.
Speaker 3: Like the shirt with little buttons all up and down
Speaker 3: and it was by a company called Plane Suit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that.
Speaker 3: Was And I'm like, that was really cute. I remember
Speaker 3: it were cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maxfield, we should text you like before we do
Speaker 1: the thing. So this is what Denise said to say
Speaker 1: about this outfit.
Speaker 3: Exactly, and especially when your stuff comes back around.
Speaker 4: It's coming.
Speaker 2: There's so many Denise things coming in with those great
Speaker 2: vests and the belt buckles, and it's just you just always.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, Now, I just hope that imagine.
Speaker 3: I just hope those shoes just get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those shoes get better.
Speaker 3: You wore heads a lot.
Speaker 1: I love the kids.
Speaker 3: The kids were cute kids with little like leggings. That's
Speaker 3: what's cute.
Speaker 2: And oversized and Doc Martin keep going. I think this
Speaker 2: fade out the Bible.
Speaker 4: But thank you so much for coming to.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 2: Love to have you back.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks coming to sell the place.
Speaker 3: Yeah,