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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney thorn Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: For the audience, Welcome to Still the Place. We're so

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Speaker 1: excited we can't stop talking long enough to introduce the show.

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Speaker 1: We have Denise Bay costume answer a lot of questions

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Speaker 1: like why did you let me wear so many shoulder pads?

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Speaker 1: A lot of very important questions.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear her? She's constant, it's so voluminous.

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Speaker 3: I know because I wouldn't because I just kept thinking

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Speaker 3: the same thing. I'm like, why are the shoulder pads

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Speaker 3: so big?

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Speaker 4: You need to be that big?

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe you put on a pair, And then when

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Speaker 2: she went to her trailer she added them. She loved her, I.

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Speaker 3: Honestly think psychologically because with the heather, with the really

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Speaker 3: short sirs, I think we were trying to make Allison

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Speaker 3: look powerful and professional, and I think she wanted to

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Speaker 3: hold her own. So that's the only thing I can

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Speaker 3: think besides the fact that.

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Speaker 1: Linebacker, yeah, maybe she's a linebacker, you won't be as threatened.

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Speaker 2: Also that it was the sign of the times.

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Speaker 3: It was the sign of the times. It was the style.

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Speaker 3: Things were oversized, things were a little bigger because it

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Speaker 3: was like early nineties, so we were still suffering from

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Speaker 3: the shoulder pads of the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, you you told us that you just watched the

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Speaker 5: first season, as we have too because we've been doing

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Speaker 5: this for our recaps. But you said that you prepared

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Speaker 5: to come here by watching the first season. You must

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Speaker 5: have had like a like crazy.

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Speaker 3: I was expecting to hate more outfits than I did, right,

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Speaker 3: but I saw some things and I was like, I

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Speaker 3: don't remember that at all, but it's cute.

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Speaker 2: Who did that?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I did?

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Speaker 5: And you also came in mid season right like you

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Speaker 5: at fifteen you weren't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I started prepping on episode thirteen because Amy

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Speaker 3: Locane still was still on, and then my first official

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Speaker 3: episode I did on my own was fourteen, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's when you came on right at the same time,

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Speaker 3: right fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember Denise that I always bonded because

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Speaker 2: we came the first time, and we almost got fired

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Speaker 2: that first because you had me in an Upper East

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Speaker 2: Side like beautiful floral satin or made looking blouse because

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Speaker 2: we were like Joe, she's from New York City, she

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Speaker 2: comes from money. Makes sense to me. And then I

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Speaker 2: think Aaron saw it was like, what do they have

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Speaker 2: her in? We're going black? Where's the black, where's the

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Speaker 2: where's the leather, where's the Yeah, so we switched it,

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Speaker 2: but they reshot all that because we filmed that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know who I had scenes with. Maybe it was

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Speaker 2: just the intro I.

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Speaker 3: Have blocked that out.

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Speaker 2: One.

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Speaker 3: So I think because we were coming into a not

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a well oiled machine,

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Speaker 3: but because everybody knew each other and we were the newbies,

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Speaker 3: we bonded very quickly about our place.

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Speaker 2: Was It takes a little bit to get your grounding,

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Speaker 2: you know, to get your like, oh, you're feeling everyone

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Speaker 2: out and feeling the wardrobout and then we're both like,

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Speaker 2: is this okay?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, let's try it.

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Speaker 3: And also to try to figure out the characters and

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Speaker 3: the characters I think they wanted to change it up,

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Speaker 3: which is why they, you know, brought us in, and

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Speaker 3: so it was kind of interesting to feel like what worked,

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Speaker 3: what didn't work, and who the characters were, and the

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Speaker 3: characters changed over time too, you know obviously, Yeah, but I.

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Speaker 2: Feel like watching it, don't you guys feel like when

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Speaker 2: you started things start to change your ward there, all

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Speaker 2: of our wardrobe got interesting. There was a I don't know,

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Speaker 2: a punch up about it for sure, more I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised at how much red I used because

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Speaker 3: I never use red now I really hate using red.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I'm using.

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Speaker 1: A lot of It must have been the color of

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Speaker 3: Maybe it was a lot. It felt very bright to me.

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Speaker 3: The whole world felt very bright. But again like it

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look so crazy as it would have like

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Speaker 1: if we've done it five years ago, because so many

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Speaker 1: of the styles are back in.

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Speaker 3: I agree. I think had I seen this, I haven't

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Speaker 3: seen the show in over thirty years, so had I

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Speaker 3: aw But now it's like, okay, yeah, I believe that

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Speaker 3: I buy it. That looks cute.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that interesting, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was so many people to manage, Like you think

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Speaker 1: about you know, costume fittings are so intense for all

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Speaker 1: of us because it's vulnerable. It's your body. You're there

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Speaker 1: and you're broad and underwear and you're working through it.

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Speaker 1: How was it to sort of deal with that many

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Speaker 1: characters because you had eight main characters or nine with

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Speaker 1: Heather and then guest stars. How did that feel every

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Speaker 3: Well, I think if you look back, and this might

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Speaker 3: be hard for people who aren't doesn't don't understand costuming.

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Speaker 3: For me, back then, I was one person. I didn't

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Speaker 3: have a shopper. I did it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a shopper, didn't have a shopper.

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Speaker 3: It was me John Casey are custom super John K.

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Speaker 3: And there was no internet so I couldn't order stuff online.

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Speaker 3: And we were in Valencia and Nordstrom hadn't even opened yet.

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Speaker 3: It was Target was the only thing out there.

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Speaker 4: Wow, and have to come in town.

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Speaker 3: I have would I'd come in at four thirty in

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Speaker 3: the morning. We didn't have cel year in the field going.

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Speaker 3: I have a size, so we'd have a pager. It

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Speaker 3: would be nine one one if somebody didn't like what

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Speaker 3: they were wearing, because it is that important.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so I need hilarious Kathleen.

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Speaker 3: So I think what we would do is we would

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Speaker 3: do like a big fitting, like you and I would

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Speaker 3: do a fitting and we would just build a closet

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Speaker 3: so we'd try a bunch of stuff on say like

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Speaker 3: like like like don't like and buy a claw, you know.

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Speaker 3: But we were doing these every seven days, so it

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Speaker 3: never and I didn't have an assistant costume designer. I

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: No, I look back now and I'm like, you just

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Speaker 3: and I had I think I think Trey was my pa.

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Speaker 3: It was like doing returns at the time or something.

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Speaker 2: Wow, when what was John doing? He was?

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Speaker 3: He ended up he ended up starting to do the

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Speaker 3: men like he because I noticed this because I kept

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Speaker 3: seeing Billy and all of John's vintage Hawaiian Sure.

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Speaker 2: Where those came from?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But so I look back now and it was

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Speaker 3: back to Valencay at the day, like, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Is it possible.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I have this memory of meeting you

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Speaker 5: at the mall when I first when my character first

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Speaker 5: you at the mall. I met you, and like it

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Speaker 5: is a much more efficient way to do it then

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Speaker 5: like this is yeah, that sounds so does that seem

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Speaker 4: I mean, and then that would never happen now, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean you'd never.

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Speaker 1: Lead at the mall. Had it happened now.

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Speaker 3: Somebody can see what's out there.

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Speaker 3: But I do have to say I saw one episode

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Speaker 3: and then it was a leopard cape. It was it

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Speaker 3: Poncho and we made it into a skirt. You saw

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Speaker 3: and I was like, well that.

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Speaker 1: Was a wasted.

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Speaker 3: We remember that.

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Speaker 5: We commented on that and yeah, and I was like,

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Speaker 5: that looks like a Christmas tree skirt a little bit,

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Speaker 5: But you amazing, But you haven't even gotten to like

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Speaker 5: season two three or VI where I don't know if

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Speaker 4: Is I'll just speak for myself with.

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Speaker 5: My character, we were having so much fun and you

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Speaker 4: And do you remember that part of.

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Speaker 5: It, like as the show evolved, that you got to

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Speaker 4: Do you remember?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I think for me the fact that they trusted

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Speaker 3: a lot of notoriety for the costumes and and I

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Speaker 1: I could do.

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Speaker 2: It's like a workplace that explains that lime green one

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Speaker 3: To that, but it just you know, you want to

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Speaker 3: I think that Sydney was like the perfect character to

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Speaker 3: do that also got to do with Josie. And even

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Speaker 3: though I know you guys didn't like the funeral outfit because.

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Speaker 2: Chaplin was like, what are we talking about it?

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Speaker 3: We did not like it. We said it was cool,

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Speaker 3: was like a thirties thing that I don't know. It

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Speaker 2: Well, we did comment on our bucket hats. You have

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Speaker 2: you like these little hats with the roses. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but I know with me, I'm sure you did. What ever,

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Speaker 2: I don't know about Alison and D and D, but

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Speaker 2: I think we could have like a leeway. I don't

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Speaker 2: Oh that was you. I know, you like started treads.

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Speaker 1: To do that.

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Speaker 5: No, it's insane, and to do too it once for

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Speaker 3: You wear the same jacks and down jacket that had

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Speaker 1: Well, my memory of Andrews, he didn't care, like you

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Speaker 3: I saw that. It was before you guys got together, and.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think they cared.

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Speaker 3: They just went.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I Doug like Doug. I mean we were trying

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Speaker 5: Like socially conscious like sort of shirts, and yeah, he

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Speaker 4: A costomer and an actor.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys, when if we're in

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Speaker 4: But like I want the customer.

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Speaker 5: anybody ask you to do anything weird? Like, Okay, that

444
00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,280
Speaker 5: was a weird request, or oh, this is a strange

445
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,919
Speaker 5: job that I have. I've just just asked to do

446
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,479
Speaker 5: this bizarre thing, like do you ours?

447
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 3: So I have a good story, but I'm not gonna say.

448
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,880
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.

449
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,680
Speaker 1: Just tell the story.

450
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

451
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: So I remember.

452
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 3: One actress on our show who wasn't on that long.

453
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 3: She was you know, bodysuits were really big, and you

454
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: know they snapped at the crotch, and she put it on.

455
00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,160
Speaker 3: She goes, can you.

456
00:19:58,119 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 2: Snap my bodysuit?

457
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, but you can snap it

458
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 3: first and step into it because that's usually the way

459
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 3: it works.

460
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

461
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: I remember she's walking around. We used to have used

462
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 1: to have my body.

463
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, does she go to anyone after you is that

464
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: what I was saying? Well, my body just like that's

465
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 2: the way you just rang about. I think I remember

466
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 2: you saying that.

467
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: I remember you saying like that.

468
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,919
Speaker 2: She but that's a good answer.

469
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 3: Look, I noticed you were a lot of bodies were

470
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 3: like the guitards and they had like a little laced

471
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 3: things on them and they can't but actually they made sense,

472
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: but they just stopped.

473
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 2: They were huge. They're back there, they're back not with me,

474
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 2: I walk right, Yeah we did that.

475
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 3: But the highwaisted jeans, the you know, the nineties jeans

476
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 3: are back.

477
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,640
Speaker 2: Yes, those are cute and they're all baggy of pair

478
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: and you sink it with the belt.

479
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when you were watching the first season, did

480
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: anything stand out for you, Like did you like an

481
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: outfit where you went? There was one before you, before

482
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 1: you were a costumer. I had this huge striped jacket.

483
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: I looked like a Carnival Barker, And I was like,

484
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 1: how did that get by anybody?

485
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 3: Like?

486
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 1: Why wasn't I stopped at the door to the set saying,

487
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: hold on, was there anything again? You didn't do anything

488
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 1: that was like for good or bad that you went

489
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: all nailed it or oh what happened? There.

490
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: I think that there were certain things that I looked

491
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 3: at and I'm like, I would have done that different.

492
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a couple I think you were

493
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: in some lime green suit or something.

494
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: That's the dress that Dafty keeps talking about it just

495
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: like what it was.

496
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking every wardrobe by the way, I'm going

497
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking, but this is Denise, And then I thought,

498
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: you know, she didn't have a shopper.

499
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 1: No, as you're doing so much.

500
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: I was saying, it's like Lucy and Ethel and the

501
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: chocolate factory, and I was just like cranking him out.

502
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: And also you're coordinating. So if you have four or

503
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 1: five people, so probably someone else got to wear blue,

504
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: someone else got to wear brown, We're like, well, Courtney

505
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 1: and lime green, Like it's not right. You're coordinating so many.

506
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 5: Because that is one of the things, like you can't

507
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 5: have three people in the same color in the same scene,

508
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 5: so you have to.

509
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: But that also was a nineties. It also was a nineties.

510
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: There was corsets. This is the time of like you

511
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 2: know a lot of that kind of rocker sexy stuff,

512
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: like you know, we look at it now and it's

513
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: easy to go, oh, what But then I have to go, Okay,

514
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, Yeah, nineteen ninety three, this was probably

515
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: all the.

516
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: Rage, but I think it was oversized.

517
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everything was oversized. But I in one of

518
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: the last episodes, and I think it was because Amanda

519
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 3: was pregnant and had just bundle the hospital. But I

520
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 3: had her in like this beige T shirt and it

521
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: was so ugly and it made her skin look so ugly,

522
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 3: and I'm like, maybe I did it on purpose so

523
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: she would look like sad and tale, but it was

524
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,719
Speaker 3: like such an ugly outfit.

525
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 2: I was like, that was a bit anything being really ugly.

526
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: As we started to get guest stars, it got more

527
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: and more crazy, and there were more and more guest stars,

528
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: and I remember Lonnie Anderson like maybe at Neman's right,

529
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: it would be yeah, there's Alayah, and you know it

530
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: just wasn't my well, I mean it wasn't your budget.

531
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't my budgets for the entire Yeah.

532
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: One dress, wellyah, well, I was looking at like, especially

533
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: looking at Heather, I would think, oh, there's someone who

534
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: knows what works with their body as a costumer. It

535
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: must be great because she comes in and says, these

536
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 1: are the brands. I like, this is what fits me out,

537
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: this out works. And I felt like I had no idea,

538
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: like I was trying to figure it out on camera.

539
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: Like I think by the end, I remember, by the end,

540
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: things got more fitted and you were able to sort

541
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: of get me into things that made more sense. Yeah,

542
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: but it must be so different to work with an

543
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: actor who kind of says, this is what works and

544
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: an actor who just I don't know right.

545
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: Well, I feel like she had sort of a uniform.

546
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 3: And do you remember our seamstress Saran. Yeah, yeah, so

547
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: Saran sadly passed away, but she was great and she

548
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: had she had mannequins which were the size for everyone.

549
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 3: So I would end up and knowing that there were

550
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: certain brands like Bbe that back in the day for Heather,

551
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: and so I would buy and we'd have it fitted

552
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 3: and it wasn't I didn't even need to do fittings

553
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: as much, but you were. We were really trying stuff out,

554
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: and I was trying different styles and different But I

555
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 3: did like the little floral dresses with Jean jackets on you.

556
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: That was that was really cute. That was a cute look.

557
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I saw some of those Flora with the sweaters,

558
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: like knitted sweaters. I saw Josie actually a couple of

559
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 2: episodes ago with a big with the pink knitted crochet. Yeah.

560
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Josie's another one who really knew what looked

561
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: good on her body, Like she really could. She modeled

562
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: sense of herself.

563
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was pretty. She was pretty easy as well.

564
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 3: And again because she was doing the fashion thing, it

565
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: was easier to get a little more creative. But and

566
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: but then there were outfits I looked, oh, that looks

567
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 3: so cute on it, and then there's other ones that

568
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, we could have done better, or we

569
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: should have or maybe I wouldn't do that again. And

570
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 3: you do that with everything, like even if you just

571
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: look at yourself on like red Carpets past and you

572
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 3: can look at yourself.

573
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: And which is what I do most days, it's very sad.

574
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: It's dark and very sad.

575
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: You well, that was the era that was that year.

576
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: It was very bin Yeah.

577
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to remember when they when you came back, because.

578
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 4: It was so I come in season two to stay.

579
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 3: At the beginning of season two, yes, okay, yeah.

580
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 5: And so what I don't remember, and we'll have to

581
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: get there in our recaps is which season it turned

582
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 5: into sort of Sydney trying on different ways of dressing

583
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 5: like to match sort of what she was going through,

584
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 5: Like that's how I feel like, and we started doing

585
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 5: that together and it was just like I just remember

586
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 5: that being a blast.

587
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: It was loads of fun.

588
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 5: There was when she was being a housewife and then

589
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 5: I was in like a lot of sixties like shift dresses,

590
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 5: and then my hair was slipped and stuff like that,

591
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 5: and it was just like we just went with that.

592
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 5: Do you ever remember like getting pushback on that because

593
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 5: it was so not what the rest of the show

594
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 5: was doing, Like we were kind of, I feel like,

595
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: pushing boundaries that weren't really typical spelling characters or whatever.

596
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 5: But Sydney was kind of pushing those boundaries. Do you

597
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: ever remember them going Okay, now that's too much.

598
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 3: No, Because I think the audience loved Sydney, and I

599
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: think that they thought she was just like cock cuckoo

600
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: yeah for Coco Pops, and they just loved everything. I

601
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: think that the more and then but also the show

602
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 3: started to jump the sharks.

603
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, then they're like.

604
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: Everything was nuts.

605
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just ramped up into this kind of crazy

606
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: world of what's going to happen next? So I think

607
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: that to see what's going to happen next and what

608
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: is Sydney wearing?

609
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: Is Yeah.

610
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 4: Well I think you must have been shopping vintage too. Yeah,

611
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean that was crazy.

612
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: So where are some of your favorite places in La?

613
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: Now you've been doing it all these years since and

614
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: you've been working so much NonStop, it seems on great

615
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: films and stuff like in La vintage or shops. Where

616
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: do you like to shop?

617
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 3: I have to say that I still like, even from

618
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: back then, I still have a real love a vintage,

619
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: not only just for the carbon footprint of recycling and reusing.

620
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: So every job I do, I try to use vintage. Yeah,

621
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 3: except when you need multiples and stuff. I really I

622
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 3: I just find it.

623
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: Did that come in handy? Did you do that for

624
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: Daisy Joe?

625
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: Yes? I did it for Daiy Jones almost.

626
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank for that.

627
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was a lot of it. That's easy

628
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: to do vintage because it was like a Yeah, I.

629
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: Built a lot of stuff and did a lot of vintage,

630
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: And I have to say now that thing you can

631
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: find things online, Like if I was doing melrose Place now,

632
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: it would just be I would just have such a

633
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 3: blast because you can buy stuff from all over the

634
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: world and you can find really interesting designers that you know,

635
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 3: young designers that are working in Europe or and I

636
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: don't know if you guys remember. So this is a

637
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: great story that Aaron Spelling allowed me to use my

638
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: own personal credit card to shop for the show, and

639
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: in turn I would get mileage and every Christmas break

640
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: I would go somewhere. So one year I went to

641
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: Paris and I shopped in Paris for the show. So

642
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: the deal was that I could shop on our hiatus

643
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: for the show. And one year I went to Japan

644
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: and Hong Kong and came back with some stuff from there,

645
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 3: and then they cut that off. They realized they would

646
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: rather have the points. And I'm just like, really darn it,

647
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: because I'm kind of working for free getting some really

648
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 3: cool stuff Europe, and.

649
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: I did have a kimono, I think.

650
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and then I thought some really cool stuff for Josie.

651
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: But then so then that was kind of the beginning

652
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: of the wah wah. I was like, Okay, that sucks.

653
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,239
Speaker 2: They want you to they want it to look like

654
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 2: you're making it look but from Target and Valencia.

655
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 3: And I was really trying hard. I was trying hard

656
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: to find new designers, trying hard to make it look different,

657
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: trying hard to find so many outfits for thirty two episodes,

658
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 3: and it was, you know, it became it became a

659
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: bit of a grind out, like on the fifth season,

660
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 3: like it just and I think it. I don't know

661
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 3: how it is for an actor, but if you're doing

662
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: the same thing over and over, it felt a little

663
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: bit like groundhog Day. And so you know, if you're

664
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 3: playing the same character day after day after day, and

665
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: like getting up at four thirty in the morning driving

666
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: to Valencia, I was like, it was total groundhog Day.

667
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: That's yeah, especially with the double ups.

668
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 4: And did you leave after season five?

669
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 3: Is that I can't remember, like when yeah, it was

670
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: either going into season five, I think, yeah, it might

671
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: have been. I can't I have to watch them and see.

672
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: But what I realized is I haven't really watched I

673
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: don't think I really watched the shows.

674
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: It just wasn't enough time. We work all the time. Yea, yeah,

675
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 1: who's going to go home and watch it?

676
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: And I don't even remember because I wasn't on set,

677
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: So it's kind of exciting, like it's exciting to watch them,

678
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: and all this time later.

679
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: We're finding it like, as someone else mentioned to us,

680
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: it's like we're like being fans of the show because

681
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: we're sitting relaxed. It's thirty five years later and we're

682
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: just watching it as the audience saw it, and I'm

683
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: getting to see, like how why they loved it so much.

684
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really loving the show as we watch it,

685
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: which back then you're just in the trenches, you know,

686
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: fitting yourself into outfits and you know, learning all these

687
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: lines and working, and.

688
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: People had these Melrose Place watching parties, and I just

689
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: I think I was dis exhausted all the time.

690
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't.

691
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't like you could binge them or

692
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: stream them or I guess you could record them, but.

693
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Could videotape ITV.

694
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: And sometimes said the time would work.

695
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: I didn't even have TiVo back then. Yeah, it came later.

696
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: We didn't have cell phone. No, all of the photos

697
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: I took were like polaroids and I would have to

698
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: send for Aaron's spilling.

699
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: To approve one hour, you have to message I picture you,

700
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: like in sacks, getting a nine one one having to

701
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: find a phone, Like that's what I see. Yeah, one

702
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: of us suddenly doesn't like our top. Oh my god.

703
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: I can't remember when cell phones, you know, came.

704
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 2: It was late. It was late.

705
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 4: They were car phones. For a while, it was just

706
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 4: a car phone.

707
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I think I did her phone, remember those They were big,

708
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: like hello, Roger, I don't want Roger, but it was still, yeah, just.

709
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: Car phone.

710
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 3: It was the car phone was first, and that was

711
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: like a real luxury and the other.

712
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: Thing people don't understand that. I remember like sometimes I

713
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: would see outfit and I'd be like, oh, I'm not

714
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: a fan of it, and I'd wear it for like

715
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: five scenes because normally have the conversation, which is there's

716
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: a shirt you don't really like, and you'd be like,

717
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: are you willing to wear it for one scene? Like

718
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: we have this quick in and out and I'd be like,

719
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: did you trick me into wearing that for five scenes?

720
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: Right?

721
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: Like if a script day went on the.

722
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: Back again, Well, I had these voluminous pants that I

723
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: must have loved. They're big, huge pleated pants, which also

724
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I think were in style, but I think they must have.

725
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: It's that idea of if you feel like you want

726
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: to look thinner, like you feel thinner in big pants.

727
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: You don't look thinner, but you feel it. You look

728
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: all this, so it's they're voluminous, so I must be

729
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: like somewhere in this I must look dying. And then

730
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: Andrew had them on too. I'm like, are we sharing pants?

731
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: Like?

732
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: Are we pleated pants? It was this thought it was,

733
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: and it's back and it's back. Pleated jeans are back,

734
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm like, oh my god, pleated jeans.

735
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: Can you imagine we pleated?

736
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: Bit we sort of pleated, but not like not like

737
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 3: the big baggy pants, but I do. And the other

738
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: pant is. The other thing is you couldn't get mail,

739
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: fan letters, you couldn't have people. So what would happen

740
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: is the show would air and then two weeks later

741
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: I would get a bunch of handwritten letters mailed to

742
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: the office, mail to the offer saying what saying, Well,

743
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: the feedback of some feedback, but one of the biggest

744
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 3: requests is you had a Chanel bathrobe, a blue Shanel

745
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: bathrobe with the moon on and a moon and a star.

746
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 3: Everybody wanted that I swear to god if I had

747
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: a nickel. But every person that asked where they could

748
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 3: get that and.

749
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: They couldn't look it up online.

750
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 3: Now you couldn't Google image.

751
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Did you get it?

752
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: I don't remember. We were.

753
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: I think we were all like envious of that bathroob too,

754
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 5: because it was like, oh my god, that is so

755
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 5: cute and it's like so cozy.

756
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: But there are some pieces that were iconic. That was

757
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: definitely one of them.

758
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 5: I have a polaroid of Sydney's bathrobe, so that you know,

759
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 5: you take a polaroid of every outfit so you have

760
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: a record of it in your book of polaroids whatever.

761
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 5: But I have one of those polaroids still, and it

762
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 5: must have been my bathrobe for something, because it was

763
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 5: like my imitation, like, you know, as close as I

764
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 5: could get to to what Alison's it was.

765
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: You know what, I realized somewhere in a drawer, I

766
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: probably have polaroids. I should. I wish I would have,

767
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: Like I just got back, but I would wish I

768
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: would have kind of gone through them to see. It

769
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: would have been interesting to see.

770
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: What isn't that funny? It's like it's the only copy

771
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 5: of something.

772
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you just got back from we said you

773
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: were in Prague.

774
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: I was in Hungry, Hungry, Budapeste, Morocco and the Sahara Desert.

775
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: And what were you shooting there? What movie?

776
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 3: I was doing a movie called Matchbox or Skydance, Mattel

777
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: and Apple And it's like, yeah, a big back to

778
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: the movie like cars.

779
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what was that like shooting those different What

780
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: is I guess because we're talking about you know, what

781
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: it's like to actually do what you have to do?

782
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: What is it like when you're in all these different countries?

783
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: It's difficult. I had a big crew, it wasn't just me.

784
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you had a big, big budget.

785
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: But you know the irony of I really like features

786
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: because I like or or or just movies like they

787
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: don't have to be big. I like small movies. I

788
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: like doing independ movies. I like a beginning of middle

789
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: and an end. It's very tidy. You get to do

790
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: the character and then it's over and you can go

791
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: home with your life. And I hadn't done a series

792
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: until I did Daisy Jones in the six and that

793
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: was twenty eight years later. Wow, Because I was so

794
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: like and I kept saying, I'm like, I don't know,

795
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: I haven't done a series since melrose Place, and everybody

796
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: was like the reboot. I'm like, no, the original it

797
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: was a limited series, right, so it was limited, but

798
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: it was it ended up being two years because we

799
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: shut down for COVID and then it would became a

800
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: big you know, we shut down because it was such

801
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: a big show. So it was two years of sort

802
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: of making and it was ten episodes and it felt

803
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: like it was one hundred.

804
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

805
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was. I was on it for so long.

806
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: So as much as you won an Emmy for it,

807
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 5: did it also confirm like Nope, I like movies, you know.

808
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: But everybody's doing these limited series now, which is.

809
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: What everything works.

810
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: That's what they're doing, and you know, I find it.

811
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 3: I find it interesting, but it's it was like doing

812
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: a ten hour movie. It was long, but nothing like

813
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: nobody does thirty two episodes, nothing like that.

814
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: It's possible, it just wouldn't. Yeah, I forget who it was.

815
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 2: It may have been David Mammutt who started who did Theater,

816
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 2: obviously wrote theater and then he I think he said

817
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: it about TV. He said, no, it was about doing

818
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: a movie. Is like running a marathon. Doing TV is

819
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: like running a marathon until you're dead. And that's true.

820
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: You just I mean, I just feel like bleary eyed

821
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: and we would get the script to go. It's kind

822
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: of what I did last week, but a different guy.

823
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: And then I you know, it's just going to have.

824
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: A trail like you were just on the trail.

825
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: We didn't do it at this age, Like, no, in

826
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: my twenties, I could do it. And I remember Deborah

827
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Dare saying one morning, she goes, yeah, you can get

828
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: up at six am in your twenties. It's like what

829
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: oh no, oh yeah, Now I'm like, oh, I get

830
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: what she means. Yeah, I understood what I couldn't do

831
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: a week of fourteen hour days at this point.

832
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: I remember driving up there in the dark, driving up

833
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: to Santa right up.

834
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: In the dark, and drive home in the dark. Yeah,

835
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: you would drive up before.

836
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 2: I remember the first Starbucks that opened up there. Remember

837
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: on that there was like two exits before ECCE and

838
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I'm here before six. It was

839
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 2: it was so furious.

840
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just it's the it's the non stop.

841
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: It was just like never ending. But again, now I

842
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: look back, and I did have a great time. Like

843
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 3: it was really I was you know, I got that show.

844
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: I was twenty six years ol when we were young.

845
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 1: That's the time you would actually when you're young, right,

846
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: that was the time.

847
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: So lucky.

848
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and to start because you started, we weren't

849
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: a hit yet. So to sort of ride that ride

850
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: and have this thing become something, it's so rare and

851
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: it was so exciting. Yeah, it was really fun.

852
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: I had Fox News following me around a shopping on

853
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: a shopping spree, wunch, I was in Harper's Bizarre, I

854
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 3: was in all these things. I had all these people

855
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: doing articles which I completely took for granted. And by

856
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: the way, no social media, like none of that. And

857
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: I just I look back now, I was like, what

858
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: a gift.

859
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what.

860
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 3: A gift to me? And to work with such great people,

861
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: and like really, you know, and to see you guys

862
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: so many years later and just to see how well

863
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: everyone's doing it just fills me with.

864
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: Such Ye did you find it different? So you're at

865
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: the mall and you're working on this little show. Nobody's

866
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: watching myro's place, And then as it changed, did they

867
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: treat you differently at the mall. Yes, with blooming Dale's

868
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: happier to see you.

869
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was like a good customer.

870
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Yea, every week you.

871
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: Had long And then that's when I think people started

872
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: to reach out to me more and people. There was

873
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: a woman who had a shop in Beverly Hills, Jamie Lynn,

874
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: and she she would bring a van and come out

875
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: to and so people started making appointments. And then when

876
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 3: they would bring me stuff, that's amazing. So that that

877
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: was cool. That then it would made my job a

878
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: lot of.

879
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: You You're like, I'm sorry, where are you?

880
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 5: We were a little bit out of the regular and.

881
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: Nothing was there back then. Now at least there's.

882
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: Like no, I don't know.

883
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: We had movie calendars yep, and Magic Mountain Magic basically

884
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: what we had. Don't forget it was Targetarget.

885
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: But it wasn't the good Target. It was like the

886
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: old like Walmart Target back then.

887
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you need it underwork, could you.

888
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: Kind of make you know what I went to Target

889
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: with I forget who. I don't know if it's anyone

890
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: in this room. It could have been with Tony. I

891
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: remember I went to Target to get earthquake. Years you

892
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: went with Heather with Heather, I remember to get to

893
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: get earthquake like goods because after the earthquake, so it's

894
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: like we were finally when we started going back to work.

895
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: We went there to get like the I don't know

896
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: wherever you get the I remember a sleeping bag. I

897
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 2: remember like water filter. I remember just getting earthquake kits

898
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: tough from target out there. So do you?

899
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: People don't remember that?

900
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: The freeway the ninety four earthquake.

901
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, in ninety four, the freeway collapsed.

902
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 4: Were you working that morning?

903
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: I was working that morning, me too. I was on

904
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: my way me too.

905
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: Did you make it to the set?

906
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: No? Did you?

907
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: Yes?

908
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: But in the most roundabout because the route through was

909
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 5: right on this route where the freeway had collapsed. One

910
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 5: freeway had collapsed on top of another and everything just

911
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: went down. It was this pile of rubble.

912
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: How did you begin to see it? I thought, you

913
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: know what I was.

914
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 5: I was just shy of it, south of it when

915
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 5: it must have happened, right, So I saw the earthquake

916
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 5: happening because there was this giant power surge in the darkness.

917
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 5: It was four thirty in the morning, right, yeah, striving

918
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: to work. Yeah, And it was nice. I was the

919
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: first scene up that day. So what I was asking you,

920
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 5: like if you were coming that day too, because there

921
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 5: was a there was a small crew of us that

922
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: we all were supposed to be reporting to work that

923
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: morning by five or whatever, and so they were keeping

924
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 5: track like who's supposed to be here and who hasn't arrived,

925
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 5: and it was a big deal. Our our stages separated,

926
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: you know, put us on Forest Masure for a while

927
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: because remember that we had shut.

928
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 1: Down just sits there.

929
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: So so I came up to that point on the

930
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: freeway and it was like just rubble cloud like it was.

931
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: You couldn't see.

932
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 5: And at that point, people were driving south on the

933
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 5: northbound five. So I was driving slow, slowly, and I

934
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 5: was on the phone with my mom. By then, I

935
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 5: must have had a car phone, and I was on

936
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 5: the phone going, this is so weird. There's cars coming

937
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 5: at me on the and then our phone died. Terrible

938
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 5: for her on the other end. But what I came

939
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 5: to a stop because everybody was stopped and they were

940
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: getting out of their cars and they were overlooking where

941
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 5: the freeway had collapsed, and you could literally stand on

942
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 5: the edge of it and it was just rubble and dust,

943
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 5: and it was you couldn't see through the air because

944
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: it was so filled with rubble and dust, and so

945
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 5: people were choosing to just turn around and head south

946
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 5: on the five. But I'm like, so I gotta get

947
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 5: to work. Like this mentality is like I need to

948
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 5: go to work. But so I so I ran into

949
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 5: who was our nurse?

950
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 4: Her name is?

951
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: It's okay, Ruth?

952
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: What's her name?

953
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: Anyway, we saw each other on the five freeway. We

954
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 5: were both stepped out of our cars and we're like

955
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 5: and we were we vowed to like try to get

956
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: to work together. We knew we could back up a

957
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 5: little ways and get off on this exit and like

958
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 5: take side streets to get there, like near the fourteen,

959
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 5: so we both decided to do that. Well, as we

960
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 5: went down this exit ramp, the visibility got so bad

961
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: because we were just engulfed and you couldn't I couldn't

962
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 5: see my windshield. I mean it was just a piece

963
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 5: of glass, but it was so I was like, am

964
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: I going to drive off the side? I couldn't see

965
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 5: where it was going. Anyway, long story, finally managed to

966
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 5: make it to work and like to find out that like,

967
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: you know, the stages were terrified. People were hanging from

968
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 5: the you know, they were hanging lights inside those stages

969
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 5: when the earthquake hit, Like can you imagine how terrifying

970
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 5: that would have been. I was wondering if you were there,

971
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 5: because what we did is we ended up leaving the set.

972
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 5: It's you know, the sort of gas leak up there

973
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: in Santa Claraica. And we went to Michelle's house. He

974
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: lived out there a DP right, and we waited for

975
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 5: the sun to come up, and he barbecued coffee and

976
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 5: it was just like this bonding thing of all of

977
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 5: us who were there that morning.

978
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: And I was trying to remember, like, oh, were.

979
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: You trying to get home?

980
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was crazy.

981
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: No, I couldn't get because my my garage, my gate

982
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: was electric. So I was trying to get out. I

983
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: was trying to I couldn't get out, but I was

984
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: on my way to work. And then they called and said,

985
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: don't don't.

986
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: Come in, and I was like, already on my way.

987
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 5: I'm like gott to get to it, like stupid, Like

988
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 5: I just didn't realize the scope.

989
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: Of ever, you know, and I just kept driving.

990
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we were down quite some time.

991
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was like a couple of weeks while they

992
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 5: had to repair the stages.

993
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: And all that. When they started and for some reason,

994
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: I wasn't working that week. But before the freeway, you

995
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: must remember it. The route took like an hour and

996
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: a ho.

997
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was forever to get to work and home

998
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 5: after Yeah, while they were working.

999
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: Fourteen probably yeah, to come around.

1000
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 5: I mean that morning, I have no idea what I did.

1001
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 5: I just I was just like driving just it was surreal.

1002
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: There was like that was on fire over there, and

1003
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: that was on fire over there, and there was like

1004
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 5: there was a rubble across the run.

1005
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember being thrown out of bed. I was

1006
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: in Laurel Canyon and I work that day, or maybe

1007
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: I was supposed to work later, but I just you know,

1008
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere. I know, I didn't work first up.

1009
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 5: No, I think it was Thomas and I had a

1010
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: scene and so we were the only ones showing up

1011
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 5: that early.

1012
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: You know, have you guys had thomasin we have? It

1013
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: was so easy to hate on that show.

1014
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: So fun. That's the other thing. I'm getting so invested.

1015
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I.

1016
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Can't believe this show. I can't believe she's doing that

1017
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 1: to her.

1018
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: You know, like the whole Kimberly and Michael thing is

1019
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: driving me crazy and hasn't even gotten started. We're just

1020
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: getting started, and I don't know if I can handle it.

1021
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 5: Well, you'll have to come back when when we're in

1022
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 5: season two and three.

1023
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: So yeah, like crazy clothes.

1024
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: I love listening to Jack Wagner too.

1025
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so fun.

1026
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: That so much fun. You know, what we would love

1027
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: you to do is recap with us, Like if we

1028
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: could somehow do show scenes on you can just see

1029
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: you because it's been worst outfit, but it would be

1030
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: like to do a freeze frame and go, Denise answer

1031
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: for that. What were you thinking? That was Jack two

1032
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: hours on his hair? Because I would have piped.

1033
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: In about that Josie funeral of it, but because I

1034
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: had listened to it, I'm like, what was that there?

1035
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: And then you saw it was a bad kind of fashioning.

1036
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1037
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: The thumbs up thumbs down of the episode.

1038
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: Well, clearly everything you did was right because not only

1039
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: did it launch the show into like doing so great,

1040
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: but then your career never stopped. Really you just know,

1041
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 2: to do these big movies and stuff.

1042
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 3: It was it was, it was definitely choice. It would

1043
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 3: have been it would have been easy to stay, but

1044
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 3: it was it was it was the right time. Like

1045
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: you know sometimes yeah, sure you want to leave at

1046
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: the height of the wedding. You don't want to be

1047
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: the drunk ant like what to do?

1048
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Like, I feel really lucky that we got you in

1049
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: the beginning of your career, that we got to have

1050
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: that experience. I feel like it were like you were

1051
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: taking off. Yeah, it was.

1052
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: Really yeah, And I think the first feature I did,

1053
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: one of the first it was Cruel Intentions right after that,

1054
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: so that was a real that was real fun.

1055
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: And when you came onto this were you what else

1056
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: had you done before Melrose and they that they found

1057
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: you that they asked you to come in for.

1058
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: I had been an assistant for a long time and

1059
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 3: I had done I did a TV series called Shannon Steel.

1060
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: But I don't know if you guys know that Aaron

1061
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: Spelling used to have a costume house and it was

1062
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: called Spelling Wardrobe and it was all the clothes from

1063
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: Dynasty and Dallas and like all not slanding a gown

1064
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: and so this woman named Eilish ran it and she

1065
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: was like a long time Spelling she did all the

1066
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: costumes for all those shows, and she was just this

1067
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: woman with impeccable taste. But I would go in there

1068
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: all the time. I was really young, and she and

1069
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: I just hit it off, and I was really always

1070
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: really fun and nice. And she when they wanted to

1071
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: make a change on Melrose Place, she called Spelling and

1072
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: she's like, there's a young girl.

1073
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1074
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: She's got some really good taste and some good energy,

1075
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: and I think you should be there, and they hired

1076
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 3: me on the spot. Always be nice to people because

1077
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: you never.

1078
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, indeed you know yeah, and you're just that's

1079
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 2: such a great lesson. The path goes like this twisty

1080
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: tur you never know what wardrobe clause are you're going

1081
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 2: to be and showing your passion and your.

1082
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: And you never know what madrid you're going to cross

1083
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: back again. Especially being in the business for so long,

1084
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes you think those are old and dead

1085
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 3: and then they come around again.

1086
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: Got to hang in there, well, Denise, that's amazing, amazing.

1087
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 5: I hope you come back, and I think we could

1088
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 5: give you a whole segment of your own, just like

1089
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: what would Denise say this episode?

1090
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: I'm willing to watch every episode. I now I am

1091
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: willing to say what was it was? The what was

1092
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: I thinking?

1093
00:46:50,880 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome, You're welcome. You had on a little.

1094
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 3: Like the shirt with little buttons all up and down

1095
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: and it was by a company called Plane Suit.

1096
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that.

1097
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 3: Was And I'm like, that was really cute. I remember

1098
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 3: it were cute.

1099
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maxfield, we should text you like before we do

1100
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: the thing. So this is what Denise said to say

1101
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: about this outfit.

1102
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 3: Exactly, and especially when your stuff comes back around.

1103
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 4: It's coming.

1104
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: There's so many Denise things coming in with those great

1105
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: vests and the belt buckles, and it's just you just always.

1106
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: I just yeah, Now, I just hope that imagine.

1107
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 3: I just hope those shoes just get better.

1108
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, those shoes get better.

1109
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: You wore heads a lot.

1110
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: I love the kids.

1111
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: The kids were cute kids with little like leggings. That's

1112
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 3: what's cute.

1113
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: And oversized and Doc Martin keep going. I think this

1114
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 2: fade out the Bible.

1115
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 4: But thank you so much for coming to.

1116
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.

1117
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: Love to have you back.

1118
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks coming to sell the place.

1119
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah,