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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody. Welcome into a Wednesday edition of

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Speaker 1: Texans All Access. I'm your host, John Harris, football analyst,

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Speaker 1: silo reporter. It's so great to be back on the

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Speaker 1: radio because for the first two days I got shut out.

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Speaker 1: I was shut out on the radio because the voice

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Speaker 1: you here who is laughing is Mark Vanny of the

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Speaker 1: Voice of the Texans. Mark, do you want to explain

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Speaker 1: to the people why I was totally incompletely shut out? Listen.

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Speaker 1: Somebody had to go to the Breakers and Tom Beach

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Speaker 1: Johnny and uh and I did them. We had guests on,

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Speaker 1: we had Nick Cassario, Lovey Smith, others, Greg Grissom, President

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Speaker 1: of the Texans, and it was just great to be

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Speaker 1: down there. And sorry about that, but that's just the

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Speaker 1: way it went. You know. It's a tradition at the

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Speaker 1: owners meetings. I do the shows, just one of those things.

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Speaker 1: You have time to go gallivant with the Bearcats like

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Speaker 1: you did yesterday Pro Day at Sam Houston State I did.

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Speaker 1: I did go down to or up to Huntsville to

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Speaker 1: hang out with Casey Keeler. Sorry, Buddy Perry. Former receivers

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Speaker 1: coach here with the Texans, see is the offensive Coordinona

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Speaker 1: are up there, had a chance to see as they're known,

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Speaker 1: which it's not all that creative. They call them the

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Speaker 1: twins because they are twins, are identical twins. Zion at

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Speaker 1: Tristan McCollum. They worked out quizzard entire group. I thought

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Speaker 1: about this Mark and well, I want to hear more

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Speaker 1: of what went down at the Breakers. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about overtime and everything that went on there. But

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Speaker 1: this was a group that had won twenty one games

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, right because they had a full

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Speaker 1: spring season ten games, turned right around and went back

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Speaker 1: And then of course they lost the Montana State in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I was talking to coach Keiler and

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Speaker 1: I wondered. I asked him this in our TV production

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Speaker 1: meetings throughout the year, I said, you few your team

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Speaker 1: fatigue and he's like, no, no, And then near the

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Speaker 1: end of the year, I'll never forget the last production meeting,

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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, we're having to we we really need

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Speaker 1: to kind of keep it together because they've played a

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Speaker 1: and you didn't use the word load management, but that's

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Speaker 1: what they were trying to do. And dudes were just

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Speaker 1: beat up. And Montana State came in there and UH

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Speaker 1: did didn't number on him into playoffs. But twenty one

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Speaker 1: games in a row, not even in a calendar year,

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Speaker 1: in ten months, geez, just just incredible. You know, the

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Speaker 1: data from that would be very interesting for the sports

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Speaker 1: science people. Yes, the wear and tear factor and casey

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Speaker 1: one thing he mentioned to me. North Dakota State came

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Speaker 1: back and won a championship this past year, and he

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Speaker 1: said he had talked to the to the Bison UH

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Speaker 1: people and coaches, and he just said they in the spring,

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Speaker 1: their schedule in the spring, and so when they came

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Speaker 1: back for the fall, he said, they were a lot

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Speaker 1: which they did same. Houston State went right on through

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Speaker 1: I want Tama State, but it's always fun to be

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Speaker 1: down there a pro day, but this group in particular

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Speaker 1: because I call a lot of their games on TV

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Speaker 1: I'd seen almost every home game of the Twins from

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen on. I mean, it was just it's incredible

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Speaker 1: And they were at least four teams that had more

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Speaker 1: But when did they When does Sam Houston go? FBS,

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Speaker 1: Then twenty twenty four they'll be a bowl eligible. Why

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Speaker 1: But you know how the NC DOUBLEA is and some

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Speaker 1: weird because jackson was like, wait a second, if we're

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Speaker 1: they're dropping down a level and they're decompressing from being

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Speaker 1: why allow them to bump off teams that otherwise would

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Speaker 1: But Palm Beach, Johnny, it is unbelievable as a place.

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Speaker 1: And look, we were in a hotel there, not really

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Speaker 1: tumidity was perfect Johnny, So that was great. Being able

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Speaker 1: And I've always said this about the Owners Meetings, which

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Speaker 1: So it was gonna be interesting to see him at

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Speaker 1: not both, getting over there to local pro Day will

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Speaker 1: be kind of fun. But while you were at the Breakers,

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Speaker 1: overtime was decided upon, Yes it was, So what are

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Speaker 1: we thinking here about this? So I well, I've when

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Speaker 1: it comes to overtime, I'll give my I know where

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Speaker 1: what you think about this. Now, for those of you

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Speaker 1: that that missed it, I think it was Indianapolis and

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia had submitted to the league to in overtime give

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's kind of college overtime ish because

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Speaker 1: in college overtime, both teams get the ball twenty five.

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Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent QB if one's available that they like. Well.

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with John Perry about his nephew

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Speaker 1: EJ played at telling you that's my guy for a

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Speaker 1: number a number of different reasons. Now, I was at

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Speaker 1: Pro Day yesterday in Huntsville, Sam Houston State. So I

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Speaker 1: talked about with your Doherty in the lab a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that. We shared a few of our favorite

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Speaker 1: Pro Day stories, including a former Huddo Hippo. Yes, the

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Speaker 1: Huddo High School Hippos. Alliteration at its best. That's next

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Speaker 1: on Texans All Access. That's Dex on Texans All Access.

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Speaker 1: That's Dex on texansal Access. That's welcome back to Wednesday

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Speaker 1: is to Texas All Access. From the Honday Texans Radio Studio,

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Speaker 1: I am your host, John Harris's time to go in

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Speaker 1: the lab Withdrew Doherty and we are talking pro Days.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll. What's up friends, and what's up with you?

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Speaker 1: John Harris? How are you? I'm doing well. Drew back

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Speaker 1: from Huntsville, Texas. Yesterday. I went to Sam Houston State

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Speaker 1: Pro Day and it's it was interesting Pro Day Drew

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Speaker 1: for me from a number of different perspectives. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of Pro Day is going on, but I

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Speaker 1: have I've essentially grown up with that group of guys

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Speaker 1: that have been there for a while, the McCollum twins.

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Speaker 1: I saw them when they were two freshmen and I'm

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Speaker 1: calling their games ever since. And one of those twins

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Speaker 1: is the top three or four rounds. He's a really

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Speaker 1: good terback. Yeah, and I think his twin brother, is

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Speaker 1: a safety, is gonna end up getting drafted too, especially

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Speaker 1: after his pro day yesterday. And it just so happens

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Speaker 1: that one of my best friends in life is their agent. Um,

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Speaker 1: so of course he gives me an earfull and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: I've I've covered these guys. So it was sort of

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Speaker 1: bittersweet to see all these guys knowing that they're leaving

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Speaker 1: Sam and I called all those games, but it was good.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be down there. I saw former Texans

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Speaker 1: wide receiver coach John Perry who was now the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator at SAM Houston, so we got a chance to

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Speaker 1: get a chance to catch up and it was a

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Speaker 1: good day and Drew, it shows you what Casey Keeler's

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Speaker 1: you know, built there at Sam Houston. Because man, I

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Speaker 1: gotta say, at least twenty four different teams were represented,

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Speaker 1: and there were a number of them that were represented

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Speaker 1: by two or more scouting and or coaching personnel people.

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Speaker 1: So it was really interesting to see the amount of

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Speaker 1: people scouts teams represented there. It wasn't quite like a

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Speaker 1: and M. But I felt like the performance far outwage

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Speaker 1: would happened at A and M the one I went

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Speaker 1: to last week. Yeah, that's remarkable stuff. And we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about pro days because we hear pro days. These

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Speaker 1: guys are going to pro days. We heard about Lovey

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Speaker 1: Smith going all these pro days and he had. He's

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Speaker 1: been to Texas, A and M, Michigan, Ohio State, Cincinnati, Georgia,

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Speaker 1: just to name a few. He'll be at some more.

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Speaker 1: Nick as Sario also has been at UTSA, Texas, A

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Speaker 1: and M. He's making the rounds. The Texans basically have

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Speaker 1: a scout or some representation at almost every pro day.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be some exceptions here and there, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: that doesn't matter. Sometimes the Texans won't go to a

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Speaker 1: pro day and they'll wind up taking a player or

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Speaker 1: two from that school. So don't read too far into it,

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Speaker 1: but just know that there's something to it when they

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Speaker 1: either are or not there. But what is a pro day? Someone?

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Speaker 1: You might ask, what the heck is that? Essentially it's

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Speaker 1: a chance for the seniors or guys who are leaving

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Speaker 1: that school to work out for NFL scouts, and in

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Speaker 1: a perfect world, they do the forty. A few times,

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Speaker 1: they do the bench, they do the vertical leap, sometimes

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Speaker 1: a standing broad jump. They do some three cone drills

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Speaker 1: they'll do sometimes have some workouts. You know, the first

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Speaker 1: Pro Day I ever went to was back I think

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Speaker 1: in six oh seven. Texas Tech has some pretty good

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Speaker 1: teams out there with Mike Leach in the later part

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Speaker 1: of that first decade of the century, and you know

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Speaker 1: outside at Jones at and T Stadium, wind was whipping

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Speaker 1: and you had these guys doing their their forty. Remember

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Speaker 1: Jared Hicks was a wide receiver from the Houston area.

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Speaker 1: He had a thousand yards season. He was a pretty

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Speaker 1: good guy. He went through some stuff. The scouts were

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Speaker 1: all there, Like you mentioned, scouts back then were a

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Speaker 1: little surlier than they are now, and there were some

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Speaker 1: things that were said that It's like, it's pretty eye

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Speaker 1: opening because you're used to covering a team and all

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Speaker 1: the coaches there, but then the NFL comes in and

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Speaker 1: it's a different beast. And so you saw it then.

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Speaker 1: And then a couple of years later in the two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine Pro Day, Tech was coming off maybe

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Speaker 1: the best season that they'd ever had in school history.

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Speaker 1: That was a team with Crabtree scoring the touchdown against

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Speaker 1: the Horns. He wasn't at that pro day, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of his teammates were from that team, and that

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Speaker 1: one was inside and I will never forget. They had

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Speaker 1: a great left tackle, a guy named Rylan Reid. He

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Speaker 1: was in his late twenties. Well he's like in his

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Speaker 1: mid twenties at that point. He had played some minor

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Speaker 1: league baseball for the White Sox and then came back

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Speaker 1: to school. He was probably gonna get drafted. He I

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Speaker 1: think he put up forty nine on the bench. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's incredibly strong. I remember there's a sign when he

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Speaker 1: when they played Texas and somebody in the in the

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Speaker 1: student section put us a post up that said Rylan

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Speaker 1: Reid can bench press to Brian Iraq post. So he's

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Speaker 1: really strong. But he was running the forty and in

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Speaker 1: the final like ten meters of his forty, his knee

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Speaker 1: essentially exploded and it was awful. He never got drafted,

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Speaker 1: never wound up playing in the NFL, but he probably

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Speaker 1: would have had it not been for that prote And

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Speaker 1: I thought of that when David Ojabo at Michigan when

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Speaker 1: he had his problem. A couple of weeks back with

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Speaker 1: his achilles. He's probably gonna get drafted though, but are

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Speaker 1: different story. Anyways, those pro days were my first glimpse

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Speaker 1: at it, and then later on in fourteen we started

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Speaker 1: going to him more because the Texans had the first

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Speaker 1: overall pick. So that year we went to an A

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Speaker 1: and M pro day where we saw Nick Kissario with

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Speaker 1: the Patriots throwing passes to Travis Labhart and some other guys.

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Speaker 1: And then we went back to an M a couple

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Speaker 1: weeks later because Johnny Manzel and Mike Evans we're going

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Speaker 1: through a pro day and that's no pro day will

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Speaker 1: ever match that. I'll say it right now. Because President

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Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush and Barbara Bush, they were there,

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Speaker 1: the dog Dogs. They were in a golf cart. He

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Speaker 1: had drake and he had everybody from the media was there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think ESPN had a set built especially

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Speaker 1: it was. It was just a fun experience and really

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Speaker 1: fun to see. Johnny was wearing pads and a helmet,

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Speaker 1: maybe just to make him look bigger, you know, because

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Speaker 1: he didn't. He doesn't look as big, and street clothes

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Speaker 1: and and all that stuff, and it was fun to see.

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Speaker 1: It was a really unique experience. But then we also

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Speaker 1: went to Baylor a couple of times in the years

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Speaker 1: after we got the gut pack from Vtex. Each time

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Speaker 1: we went, I missed that. By the way, there's just

556
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Speaker 1: today and we didn't get to make it. But you've

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Speaker 1: you've gone to a few this year would have been

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Speaker 1: your experiences. And how's that meshed with what I've just

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Speaker 1: described in years past. Yeah, I think it's pretty similar

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Speaker 1: to that, Drew. What I've found interesting about they and

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Speaker 1: m and Sam Houston, those two I've gone to. I'll

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Speaker 1: go to your VH on Friday as well. They've had

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Speaker 1: a number of a number of prospects. There have been

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Speaker 1: some pro days where you look out there and they

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Speaker 1: might there might be six or seven guys working out,

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Speaker 1: and that's it, and you go, there's not one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that's going to end up making it to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. The two guys that they know are going

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Speaker 1: to the NFL, they worked out the combine. They blew

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Speaker 1: it out of the water, and there's no sense for

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Speaker 1: them to work to work out. And so that's where

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Speaker 1: a pro day gets kind of interesting. And you bring

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Speaker 1: up the surly scouts, which I always find I find

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Speaker 1: interesting because you have with Scouts, you have a lot

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Speaker 1: of grizzled veterans that have seen it all, and then

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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of younger guys that are, you know,

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Speaker 1: fresh on the scene, some of them having either played

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Speaker 1: with those guys or played against the guys that they're

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Speaker 1: now covering. That's it always makes for an interesting dynamic.

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Speaker 1: But I've I've seen now with I can't save for

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent, certainly, but just kind of scanning the

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Speaker 1: scouts that were there yesterday, were a lot of young

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Speaker 1: guys out there. But the one thing I have found

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Speaker 1: with the Scouts, because they do this protay so much

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Speaker 1: and they look at it as so routine, there are

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Speaker 1: some things that they just find inexcusable. And if they

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Speaker 1: tell you, they walk up, they show you the drill,

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Speaker 1: They the you should know it. They show the drill,

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Speaker 1: and then a player will invariably screw that drill up

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Speaker 1: and you just, I mean, you talk about disdain, like

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Speaker 1: underneath under their breath they're like, we just showed you

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Speaker 1: this daggump drill. What are you doing? And it's it's

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00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: always funny to me their their reaction to things. But

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold, on. It's interesting hearing you

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Speaker 1: say that, because I've spoken with some Scouts and I

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Speaker 1: talked about that Surly scout from you know, six The

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00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Scouts that I've been talking with recently said it has

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Speaker 1: gotten so much nicer and so much kinder and gentler

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Speaker 1: than those days. And this guy didn't really like it

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Speaker 1: because he said, there's a lot more waiting around, and

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00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot more shenanigans going on, and he and

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Speaker 1: a lot of his contemporaries don't have the patience for it,

603
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: but they're they're kind of having to hold their tongues

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Speaker 1: because things have changed in the world in general. So

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Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to hear that. And I wonder, I

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Speaker 1: wonder what these like that scout that I'm talking about

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00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: that was Surly from way back. He's no longer with us,

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Speaker 1: but he's I mean, he was a legend in the field.

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Speaker 1: I wonder why what he would think of some of

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Speaker 1: the stuff that he's seeing these days. True, I remember

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Speaker 1: that he would be seeing these days. I was at

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Speaker 1: Rice pro Day. It was Christian Covington's pro day. So

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Speaker 1: that was twenty fifteen a thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

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00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Christian had done a lot at the combines. So if

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Speaker 1: I remember correctly, he was just running the forty. I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to remember now. I know he was injured at

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Speaker 1: some point. I remember him running the forty, and I

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Speaker 1: remember him doing position drills, and so I was there

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Speaker 1: and I actually talked to Christian after and I told him,

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Speaker 1: I said, man, we could use you. Man, I'd love

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Speaker 1: for you to and he ended up with us. So

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Speaker 1: it was always I love Christian Cubs. One of the

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Speaker 1: best dudes I've ever seen come to that locker room.

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Speaker 1: Really good player, he's made of his career huge. Just

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00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: a big, big fan favorite and a big favorite of mine.

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Speaker 1: Were I was at that pro day and I was

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Speaker 1: standing where they were running the three cone drill, and

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Speaker 1: of course it's Rice, so they're smart guys, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: this one guy just couldn't get the drill right. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if he was just trying to quote unquote

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Speaker 1: cheat the drill, which is something here, don't cheat the drill,

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Speaker 1: or he just wasn't understanding it. But the shuttle run.

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Speaker 1: When you do the shuttle run, so there's ten yards,

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Speaker 1: so you start straddling the line with your hand on

635
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Speaker 1: the ground and you start to the right and you

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Speaker 1: touch it with your right hand, you turn your come back,

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Speaker 1: and you touch it with your left hand. You come back,

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Speaker 1: and you finish. At least that's you know, that's how

639
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: it's normally done. Some say right hand right hand. Maybe

640
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: it's right hand right hand all the way through. I

641
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: don't know either way. But there's there's a there's a

642
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: method to it. And the scout explains it and this,

643
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: and they're about a or ten scouts there. They split

644
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: up summer time in the three cone summer time and

645
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: the shuttle and then they get together share their times

646
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: and all that. So this kid doesn't touch the line

647
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: and he goes the other way, and then he doesn't

648
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Speaker 1: touch the line, and the scouts like, dude again, like, hey,

649
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: you gotta touch the line. Well, the second time he

650
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: does the same thing. He doesn't touch the line, He

651
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of waves at it. Then he goes the other side.

652
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: He touches it with his foot and then he goes through,

653
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: and this scout nearly exploded on him. He's like, what's

654
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: wrong with you? I just told you touch the line

655
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: with your hand? And I mean this kid was just like,

656
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean frozen in these tracks. Yeah, and I can

657
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: see you know, the scouts like, yeah, yeah, touched the

658
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: lot on your hand, like he had support in saying

659
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: what he was saying. And so then on the next

660
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: one it was like he started the right and it

661
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: was like he slapped the ground of his hand. He

662
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: went the other way, did the same thing. So I

663
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: don't know what it costs him in time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting dynamic at pro Day because you

665
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: do the scouts add such a such a wrinkle, and

666
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: obviously there's the pressure of the NFL, and you know,

667
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: everything is magnified. You know, you do your position drills,

668
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: and if you drop a past like oh man, could

669
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: that be the past that really? You know, my guys,

670
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you start panicking and it gets it gets rough. You

671
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: run the forty and maybe it's not as good a time.

672
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: You have to combine. They don't share the times in

673
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: the building at pro Day. There are enough hangers on

674
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: that's the wrong way of putting it, but there enough

675
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: people that are you know, kind of around the school

676
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: University of timing as well, and they'll run up and go,

677
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: hey man, he usually in four five, and you know

678
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: the guy might be you know, wishing run for three.

679
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: He might be disappointed that like works through his workout.

680
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: But essentially what they do at the Combine they do

681
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: in their Pro day, and like the Combine, this is

682
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: the part that really isn't so much Pro Day, but

683
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: for a number of prospects, they'll have a dinner or

684
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Speaker 1: maybe an interview with the team that night before the

685
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: Pro Day. I've heard of that plenty. Hey, the coach

686
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: and the GM are gonna be here before your Pro Day.

687
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: They're gonna take you to dinner, talk to you. Then

688
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna work out Pro Day. And I've also seen

689
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: pro days or guys have just crushed it, and then

690
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: when the Pro Day's over, I see that guy walking

691
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: off with a scout somewhere and they're going to dinner

692
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: either that night or the next night, because a scout

693
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: has been really interested in that particular player or man

694
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: that caught the attention of the GM who was there,

695
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: and he took off with the scout, took him somewhere.

696
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Pro Day's kind of got this a little

697
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: bit of kind of a wild wild West thing to it.

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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I was gonna say, because controlled

699
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: in that environment for that time frame, you talk about

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Speaker 1: him walking off with a scout to go get dinner.

701
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: I've seen him walking off of the scout to another

702
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: part of the building and the scout puts him through hell,

703
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: puts him through like a workout of his own that

704
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: he puts lineman like the lineman. I remember there's a

705
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown scout. Who was it? He was not. This

706
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: guy was not surly, but this guy was a very

707
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: he was old school. You could tell he had been

708
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: through the ringer of life. And this guy was putting

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00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: I can't I don't know if his lawyer, Ramirez or

710
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: someone else, because Tech had some good lineman that year,

711
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: but like, there was a lot of agility work that

712
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: this guy was doing in a short space. And yeah,

713
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: it was really fascinating to see. And that's a common occurrence.

714
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: There's lots of little side drill work that's not part

715
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Speaker 1: of what she normally would do in a combine experience

716
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: or the typical pro day drill experience. And yeah, all

717
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: sorts of wild wild West. What you just said perfect

718
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: explanation for what a pro day and he can become

719
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: no doubt, And if a guy is a really good

720
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: prospect or there are multiple prospects. I found this out

721
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: and talking to scouts over the years that and I

722
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: think it's Brian Gaine and I talked about this. He said, look,

723
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: there's sort of a hierarchy of things. If there are

724
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: no coaches there to run the drills, then the scouts

725
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: run them. If there are coaches that are there, then

726
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: the position coaches. Then the position coaches run them. And

727
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: a great example of that was at Texas A and

728
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: M last week. Kenyan Green, offensive guard the interior offensive

729
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: linement for A and M was there and there were

730
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: probably three or four offensive line coaches there. So one

731
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: offensive line coach, so the scouts step back, offensive line

732
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: coach steps up, works him through a few drills. Then

733
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Speaker 1: another offensive line coach is like, hey, I want to

734
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: see this drill. So he steps up and he's like, hey,

735
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: I want you to do this. Is there a hierarchy

736
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Speaker 1: between the coaches at that point, I don't know. I

737
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't I don't know about this local

738
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I know Joe Philbin

739
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: was one of those coaches, and he was like second

740
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: or third to go, And so each coach then added

741
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: on top of that, Okay, that was good. I saw

742
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: you do that, but I want you to do this.

743
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: I want you to do this. And then so Kennyan

744
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: Greene thinks he's done, and then off its line. Coach

745
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: comes over. No, no no, no, I want you here. I

746
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: want you do this. Lineup next to this guy. We're

747
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: gonna work on down blocks or we're gonna work in

748
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: your poll. And then they would work on that. Another

749
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: coach would come in and he might do well, he

750
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: might do one drill. That's it, one thing, and that's

751
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: all he wants to see. All right, he's out of there.

752
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: And then of course scouts and coaches are talking to players.

753
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: And I always find that that sort of thing, the hierarchy,

754
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: like if the coaches are there, kind of who does

755
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: what drills? Like who puts them through? What what drills

756
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: they want to see. I always find that interesting as

757
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: it pertains to these prospects. But you know, when the

758
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: pro day's over, that's it. And I always think about

759
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: that when when it's actually over, that's the last time

760
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna be on that campus as a

761
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: Texas Aggey or as a Bearcat. I mean, that's the

762
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: last time. That's it. All they've they've done there's a

763
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: tings of melancholy. There's a tings of melancholy with it,

764
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt. And and you

765
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: know some guys like Zion McCollum, who um I've gotten,

766
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: I gotten Harris one Hunter. I think Zion's a Hecker

767
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: football player and his twin brother worked out and those

768
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: guys have been together. I mean you know that. I

769
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: means they've been together from jump, so they're identical. And

770
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: Zion's a little bit taller. Tristan played safety, sign played corner.

771
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: They played almost every game together if they weren't hurt.

772
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was incredible to watch

773
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: and uh and see them and then to see them

774
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: transition on. And you'll go through this. Your twins will

775
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: be together for their you know, their entire lives and

776
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden college calms and maybe they go

777
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: to the same college, maybe they don't. These guys did

778
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: and they play football together. You know, you're gonna have

779
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: to go through that where there's that twins separation, which

780
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: I find fascinating because that's what's gonna have to happen

781
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: with Zion and Tristan, that they're gonna have to split up. Well,

782
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: it's fun to be in Huntsville. It's always been great

783
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: to be in Waco College Station, right here in the

784
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: city of Houston for all of these pro days, and

785
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: Drew is obviously a great wing man. Whenever we get

786
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: out there, all right, we get back, we'll go round

787
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Speaker 1: the NFL and finish up right here at Texans All Access.

788
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Speaker 1: Texans All Access, Texans All Access. We got one final

789
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Speaker 1: segment of this edition of Texas All Access from the

790
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Speaker 1: Honday Texans Radio studio. So glad to be with you.

791
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm John Harris. Love being back on the air after

792
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: a couple of days off. As I say in air quotes,

793
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: because I was working all day in Huntsville yesterday, Mark

794
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: was down in Palm Beach. He was getting all the

795
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: great interviews. And as Mark and I have discussed over

796
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: the years, I get to go to the Senior Bowl.

797
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: Mark gets to go to the annual meetings. I don't

798
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: know who wins in that. I feel like that's lopsided

799
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: for me, but that's just me. I thought we'd go

800
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: around the league. Not too much happened in ardon Key,

801
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: who I think is underrated signing signs with Jacksonville. I

802
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: think he's gonna make some plays with Jacksonville. But I

803
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: have to see. Bucky Brooks put out a mock draft,

804
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: and I am opening it up as we speak, so

805
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, all right, it's the number three Cabon Thibodeau, Houston, Texans.

806
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I said this a few times. I think Tibodeau was

807
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: a really good football player. I just don't think he

808
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: ends up in Houston. Let's see what happens at thirteen.

809
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, what'd you do? Oh? Drake London from out

810
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: of USC. I feel like London people are very split

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00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: on I love Drake London. I wish Drake and he's

812
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: not gonna run because he had an injury that he

813
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: suffered to think October. But he in the A seven

814
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: six seven games he played at USC this year, he's

815
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: completely dominant, dominant. I mean he was just incredible. I mean,

816
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: Moss and Dbs down the field. Drake London would be

817
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: a really fun addition. Now you canna argue you don't

818
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: have Nico Collins, so maybe the other type of receiver

819
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: could be a guy like Jamison Williams. I had the

820
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: ideas I was driving back from Huntsville. I told Ron

821
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: and Clint Today. I was having some ideas and that

822
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: was one of them. Jamison Williams Speed something to think

823
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Speaker 1: about out. We'll have plenty to think about Tomorrow. We'll

824
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: have the General on with Mark and myself. Big thanks

825
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: to Mark and Drew for joining me tonight. My guy's

826
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: back in studio for taking care of me. We'll see

827
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Speaker 1: you guys tomorrow and as always, go Texans