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Speaker 5: Manzi Blanios and I were on in this spot yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Great Christmas. It was watching some football, watching some basketball,

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Speaker 2: and now the drama sets in in the world of

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Speaker 2: It seems that Kyle Whittingham is to be named as

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Speaker 2: the new head football coach at the University of Michigan,

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Speaker 2: sides coming closer to an agreement to make Whittingham the

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Speaker 2: successor for Sharon Moore in Ann Arbor. Interesting news, an

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Speaker 2: interesting name, and a very very very very interesting situation

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Speaker 5: So I'll be honest in a couple things. One putting

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Speaker 5: aside the Michigan part for half a second. You know,

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Speaker 5: it was I think exactly two weeks ago. I seem

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Speaker 5: that Kyle Whittingham will no longer be the head coach

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Speaker 5: at Utah. And I mean, in my head, I know

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Speaker 5: that a coach in waiting had been named previously, but

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Speaker 5: I just said, you know, this guy's in his mid sixties.

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Speaker 5: The world of college football is changing, all those cliches,

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Speaker 5: and I said, man, you know, it's a bummer to

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Speaker 5: see him go. This guy has I think he's been

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Speaker 5: in the face of the When you think the University

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Speaker 5: if you started to listen to the press conference and

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Speaker 5: the statements. You realize pretty quickly that he didn't necessarily

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Speaker 5: want to leave Utah, certainly under the circumstances that he did.

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Speaker 5: I got a lot of takes on how it fits

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Speaker 5: in at Michigan, but I don't think it's often that

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Speaker 5: the greatest coach in the history of your school pretty

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Speaker 5: much at the peak, they won ten games this year

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Speaker 5: to Texas Tech at a BYU. They were clearly still

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Speaker 5: operating at a high level. They kind of tried to

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Speaker 5: force him into retirement. He's like, no, I'm not really sure,

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Speaker 5: I'm ready to retire. And now he certainly upgraded his job,

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Speaker 5: and I know we're gonna discuss this over the next

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Speaker 5: few minutes. Michigan I think upgraded at the head coach.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the best case scenario for Michigan because

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Speaker 2: there were dream scenarios that just never were going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Kaylenk, you can go.

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Speaker 2: Down the list. Let let's let's go down the list.

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Speaker 2: Like Kaylin de Boorr was not going to take that job.

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Speaker 2: It was just not going to happen. Once Alabama made

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Speaker 2: And people will say it's a top three or top

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Speaker 5: Was one of the biggest low key things. So the

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Speaker 5: why are you going to leave a job where First

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Speaker 5: I said, that guy, considering everything that has happened in

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Speaker 3: And so that is such an important point.

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Speaker 5: And also it is an important point out too, how

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Speaker 5: is that the athletic department is being investigated, and I

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Speaker 2: There's also another trap door where if something scandalous or

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Speaker 2: around the He's not Kenny Dillingham young, right, he's around

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Speaker 2: now you bring in Whittingham, maybe willingly to your point

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Speaker 2: got to be the reason why he's stepping away. And

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Speaker 2: different reasons. But that wasn't the reason why he left Utah. No,

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Speaker 5: I think it was from my understanding is that basically,

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Speaker 5: But then the issue does become like at some point

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Speaker 5: if you remember, put a coach in waiting in place

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Speaker 5: But my understanding is that's what happened here, was that

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Speaker 5: it was more of they named the successor. The successor

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Speaker 5: He's had other opportunities, and basically it just got to

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Speaker 3: So I think that's why he left.

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Speaker 5: Now I'll say this, Dan, as far as the hire

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Speaker 5: the circumstances under which he's hired, I think about this,

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Speaker 5: Is there an argument against Kyle Whittingham other than his age?

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Speaker 5: And I'm just asking you maybe there is one that

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Speaker 2: God, God, I think that. I think the one thing

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Speaker 5: Well, one quick note on that, Jason Beck did if

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Speaker 3: Like the if the arguments against.

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Speaker 5: The hire were like, well, he's only had one good year,

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Speaker 5: to go candidate by candidate, right, the only real argument

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Speaker 5: against Kyle Whittingham is he's sixty six years old, and like, oh,

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Speaker 5: we might only have them for four years.

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Speaker 3: And it's like if that's the only argument, that means

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Speaker 5: What's going on, Aaron, Merry Christmas to you. It's good

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Speaker 3: Are you and I rocking New Year's Eve too?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you brought up the point earlier, the difference between

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss.

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Speaker 6: Outside of Georgia Ole Miss being uh being a repeat,

435
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Speaker 6: but but like those are that's that was Old Miss

436
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 6: is one loss, yes, and Georgia looks like they could

437
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Speaker 6: win it all. So I even find some intrigue in that.

438
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Speaker 6: I'm I'm pretty I'm definitely much. I'm much more excited

439
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 6: about the quarterfinals. I think all of those games have

440
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Speaker 6: value and reason to watch, Like Texas Tech to me,

441
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 6: their defense like they're a mystery to me because I

442
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 6: haven't really watched them all year, and then you go

443
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 6: up against Oregon and that explosive offense, the way they

444
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 6: run the ball, that's a great game. And then Alabama Indiana.

445
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Speaker 6: It's like, how can Indiana Can they stack up against

446
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 6: physicality of an SEC Alabama team? Ohio State, Miami? I mean,

447
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 6: if Miami is indeed legit, you know it's a that's

448
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 6: a obviously finding reasons to watch all of those games.

449
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Speaker 6: And then Georgia Ole Miss for the reasons I just.

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Speaker 2: Said, Jason Stewart was not a fan of the first

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Speaker 2: round games.

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Speaker 4: What about these quarterfinal games?

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Speaker 7: Jason, Well, I'll take it a step further even, and

454
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Speaker 7: I guess this will give you my opinion of the

455
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Speaker 7: second round.

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Speaker 4: There.

457
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Speaker 7: I take interest in these storylines, and the intriguing storyline

458
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 7: to me would be Ole Miss making it as far

459
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 7: as possible, I'm rooting for that team. They they purchased

460
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 7: my interest with the Lane Kiffin thing. And then I

461
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 7: do want to see Indiana. I know, I think your

462
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 7: opinion is that Indiana's got no shot. I'd want Indiana

463
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Speaker 7: in the championship game. So I'm pulling for those two

464
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Speaker 7: entities in this next round, and then I'll pull for

465
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Speaker 7: them in the next round if they advance. But that

466
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 7: kind of gives you the other two. I could, I

467
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 7: could really care less. I think that's that's the determining factor.

468
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Speaker 7: Is how do you view Indiana? Great cal And I

469
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Speaker 7: think Jason loves the Fernando Mendoza story. Also, the Francisco

470
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Speaker 7: Mendoza story. Isn't that underrated part of those fans brother story?

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Speaker 6: That's a brother, right, the guy who came in to

472
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Speaker 6: take one snap during the big Tension game.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, sorry has a different guy.

474
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the U it's inside joke. Do you moving on.

475
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 3: Its baseball player, right, Francisco.

476
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Speaker 7: No, Let's reveal this. This is very interesting to the

477
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Speaker 7: listeners too. So you have a lot of tweets that

478
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Speaker 7: go viral, Aaron, so I know that you're in a

479
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 7: different class than me. Every once in a while, one

480
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Speaker 7: of my tweets gets in the algorithm and it goes nuts.

481
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Speaker 7: And I sent one after Fernando Mendoza's Heisman Trophy's speech

482
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Speaker 7: where he called out his mother and thanked I thought

483
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 7: that was beautiful. The only problem with my summary was

484
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Speaker 7: that I called him Francisco Mendoza. So there's always going

485
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Speaker 7: to be that that part of Twitter, and by a part,

486
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Speaker 7: I mean ninety nine percent of it. It's going to

487
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 7: catch that and call you racist and don't do all

488
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Speaker 7: that stuff. So it was a very touching tweet that

489
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Speaker 7: turned racist.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I assumed Twitter was very

491
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Speaker 5: forgiving with that.

492
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Speaker 4: With that mistake.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, John was that the word somebody tweeted to

494
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Speaker 2: Jason that I I gotta chuckle out of just that

495
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: every white guy would be named John. I thought was funny.

496
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: But Jason was given no mercy on that. Yet he

497
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: loved the Fernando Mendoza story. And I think if you

498
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: love the Fernando Mendoza story, you are intrigued by Indiana,

499
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 2: so real quick.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to steal your

501
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 5: thunder and your take here. There was a line in

502
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Speaker 5: the email, the group email, that you believe Indiana has

503
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Speaker 5: a zero percent chance of winning the college football playoff.

504
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Speaker 5: I want to give you the floor. I know that's

505
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 5: not necessarily where we're going. I would just say, beat

506
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Speaker 5: Ohio State on a neutral one at Oregon. Those are

507
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Speaker 5: two of the final eight teams that they've already been in.

508
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Speaker 5: And I'm not criticizing the take I'm just actually genuinely

509
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Speaker 5: curious why you believe there's a zero percent chance if

510
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Speaker 5: that is in fact what you know.

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Speaker 4: It's no, it's fun.

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Speaker 2: It's part of what leads up to what Jason was

513
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: talking about this Indiana moment. It's not going to top

514
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: winning the Heisman Trophy for Fernando Mendoza. Beating Ohio State

515
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: for Indiana was their super Bowl.

516
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

517
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Speaker 2: It was their national championship super bowl because of what

518
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: it signified within that conference. Indiana was a top ranked

519
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: team all year long. They didn't have to prove anything

520
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: nationally to anybody. They were They had the number two

521
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: next to their name for I think about half the season.

522
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: Right after they beat again ore Agon, they're the second

523
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: ranked team in the country Ohio State in the Big Ten.

524
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 2: In Ohio State's dominance in that world, and I'm not

525
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 2: saying they're dominating every year, but they are the marquee

526
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: program of the Big Ten. And for Indiana to beat

527
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Speaker 2: Ohio State on a neutral field, to overcome the goliath,

528
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Speaker 2: if you will, when they're playing that David role, that

529
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: is as high as it's going to get. And I

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Speaker 2: just don't think emotionally you can get up for these

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Speaker 2: three games. You may match up well with Indiana, you

532
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: may match up well with Texas Tech and have an

533
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Speaker 2: opportunity to beat Oregon.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's the high point of the Big

536
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Ten Championship game. And I also think the landscape of

537
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: college football will not allow a team to go undefeated

538
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: in a twelve team or sixteen team bracket for the

539
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: entire year. And they are the team that right now

540
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 2: the has no blemish in the lost column. And I

541
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: think that those expectations are just too much to bear

542
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: in this sort of format. So while Indiana may win

543
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl, by the way, they may have been

544
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: better off playing in a Cotton Bowl or in an

545
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: Orange Bowl. The granddaddy of them all still carries cachet.

546
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Speaker 2: So now there's even more to that. Indiana hadn't been

547
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Speaker 2: to a Rose Bowl since what nineteen sixty seven or

548
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: whatever the case is, and now you have Alabama coming

549
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: to town. That's a lot to carry for a program.

550
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Speaker 2: And I just don't think that that program Aaron. It

551
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: could have been Indiana, it could have been it could

552
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: have been Texas Tech. It could have you put what

553
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 2: Indiana has gone through, Vanderbilt could have put Vanderbilt in there.

554
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: Let's say Vanderbilt ran through the SEC and beat Alabama

555
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: in the SEC championship game, or Georgia. There's no way

556
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: that they're gonna be able to carry that through. There's

557
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: just too much, too much emotion. Heck, they suffered an

558
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: injury in the celebration of their Big Ten title game, right,

559
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: like the these are things that add up. I just

560
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: don't think in the stars you have the ability to

561
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: win a national championship. For what has all gone right

562
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 2: for Indiana this year?

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Speaker 3: All right, I have three points. Okay on that one.

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Speaker 5: What you just described is actually Oregon last year, come

565
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 5: to the Big Ten. How are these West Coast schools

566
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 5: gonna match up? They have the big Ohio State win

567
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: over Ohio State, then they win the Big Ten championship game,

568
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 5: then they're flat in the Rose Bowl. So there's a

569
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 5: parallel there, hundred percent as far as Indiana specifically, and

570
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Speaker 5: by the way, I don't know that I think it's zero,

571
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 5: but I do sort of agree with you that if

572
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 5: I was tiering favorites, I think they'd have to be

573
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Speaker 5: probably number three behind Georgia Ohio State, a team they

574
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: lost to, maybe even number four behind Oregon, So I

575
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: actually sort of agree with you. My two points are this,

576
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 5: and these are both points in agreement with you. One

577
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 5: last night, Christmas night, I was here twelve to four Pacific,

578
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 5: three to seven Eastern.

579
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Speaker 3: Go home.

580
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Speaker 5: We get on a zoom with my sister. She's on

581
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 5: the East coast. How are you, how are the kids?

582
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. This is that while we were on

583
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: the zoom, I'm flipping channels because I have add and

584
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 5: I can't just focus on one thing. And the Big

585
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 5: Ten is showing one of those like Big ten and

586
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 5: sixty things, which is just basically big games every meaningful play,

587
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 5: Like just in sixty seconds, they had on the Indiana

588
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 5: Ohio State game, and so I was like, let me

589
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 5: put this on because I was on air during that game,

590
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: so I wasn't watching it super closely. I'm doing ten

591
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 5: different things whatever. You realize how many things had to

592
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: go right for Indiana to win that game. Besides the fact,

593
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: by the way, first ever Big Ten championship game appearance

594
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 5: for Indiana clearly meant more for them than Ohio State.

595
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 5: The game was in Indianapolis, Like, I don't know what

596
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: the discrepancy there was, but I'm guessing it was probably

597
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 5: eighty twenty and I know Ohio State travels great whatever,

598
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: So the only point I'm trying to make, And then

599
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: you watch the game and you're like, oh Ohio State

600
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: easily could have won this game, Like if if they

601
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: had beaten Ohio State twenty one to three and it

602
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 5: wasn't close, then maybe I could see the thing where, Okay,

603
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 5: it's a big deal, but it's not that big of

604
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 5: a deal. But I think your point about the emotion

605
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 5: of that game is so so so on point of

606
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 5: just like it meant a lots to Ohio State they

607
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: were playing a win, but it meant a little bit

608
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: more to Indiana. And you could tell in the celebration

609
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: for Nanda Mendoza crowing on the field whatever. And then

610
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: the last thing I was gonna say, and I'm going along,

611
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 5: so I'll be quick. I The Obama thing to me

612
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: is so fascinating because maybe it's my old school college

613
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: football brain, but the idea that Alabama and I've seen

614
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 5: fourteen games of them at this point, they're not whatever.

615
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 5: The idea that Alabama is a seven and a half

616
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 5: point underdog to that team is like, mind blowing to me,

617
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 5: like I cannot wrap my head around Alabama with all

618
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 5: these five stars that have accumulated year over year over

619
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 5: year is a touchdown worse than Indiana. So that is

620
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Speaker 5: all just me just confirming what you're saying about the

621
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Speaker 5: fact that it's a great story in the moment. I know,

622
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 5: I spent about eight minutes setting up the point, but like,

623
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's zero percent, but I do think

624
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: we're probably gonna look back on the Indiana season and

625
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 5: say that night in Indianapolis was the peak and it

626
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: didn't get better from there.

627
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Speaker 2: There's something that Kurt Signetti said on the stand or

628
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: the platform when they were given the Big Ten Trophy. Now,

629
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 2: I got to figure out a way to get these

630
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: guys likes back down over the next three weeks to

631
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: get ready to play. But it's also one hundred percent

632
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: the truth. YEA, Like, how in the world do you

633
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: do that They've climbed the mountain, just like honestly Ohio

634
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: State did the week before against Michigan, Like it was

635
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: that game they could not lose that game, that was

636
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: the game that they focused. It's no excuse for Ohio State.

637
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: He said they had opportunities to win, they didn't. They

638
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: missed a field goal late. Indiana made plays in that game,

639
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: but it's the overall thing. Indiana is the greatest story,

640
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: to Jason's point, but this story has had so many highs.

641
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't understand how they can continue on this run.

642
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: And so when now, when you're looking at a college

643
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: football playoff and we're trying to get people to get

644
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: excited about this, Indiana may be the path to do it,

645
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure if they are because I don't

646
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: know if enough people are like Jason jumping on the

647
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: path of being like man, I love the Cinderella team

648
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: because it's very tough to be Cinderella, being number one

649
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: and unbeaten and have the best player in college football

650
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: by the Heisman standards on your team. But do we

651
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Speaker 2: want to see a rematch of Indiana and Oregon in

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Speaker 2: the semi finals? Do we think Indiana and Texas Tech

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Speaker 2: is better than an Alabama Oregon national semifinal game? I

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Speaker 2: don't think so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as a diehard college football fan, I would be

656
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Speaker 5: more interested in Texas Tech Indiana. While also acknowledging that

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Speaker 5: ratings do matter. Maybe they're talked about a little too

658
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Speaker 5: much in the media, but they absolutely do matter and

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Speaker 5: Oregon Alabama would be much more intriguing to a much

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Speaker 5: bigger audience than Frankly, either Indiana Alabama, Indiana Oregon, or

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Speaker 5: Indiana Texas Tech. Can I make one more point by

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Speaker 5: the way Jaysu brought up can I I want to

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Speaker 5: pivot off Indiana.

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Speaker 3: So do you have any any other Indiana things?

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Speaker 4: Nope?

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Speaker 5: Has anyone realized we are? He mentioned the Old Miss story.

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Speaker 5: We are watching the first ever co parenting situation in

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Speaker 5: college football. Ole Miss and LSU are co parenting the

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Speaker 5: offensive staff from Old Miss. Like I was thinking about

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Speaker 5: that the other day because I saw a story of

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Speaker 5: like Charlie Weiss is going back to Old Miss to

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Speaker 5: prepare for the for the whatever Bowl that they're playing

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Speaker 5: it against Georgia, And I'm like, this is just co parenting.

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Speaker 5: Like Lane Kiffin dropped him off at the gas station,

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Speaker 5: Pete Golding picked him up, said, have a good weekend,

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Speaker 5: enjoyed the holiday. I'll drop him back off with the

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Speaker 5: portal opens, Like I was just like, this is co parenting.

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Speaker 4: I've got who on holidays? On the holiday? Who got who?

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Speaker 4: That's all question?

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Speaker 5: Well, Pete Golden got him back because I think Lake

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Speaker 5: Kifflin got him for like a week of portal prep

682
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Speaker 5: and now he's back. I actually also think that's kind

683
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Speaker 5: of an interesting thing, like if old Miss were to

684
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Speaker 5: continue to win, like I think it was, it was

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Speaker 5: a cool story that the staff stayed together, and I

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Speaker 5: will give credit to Lane Kiffin for letting the offensive

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Speaker 5: staff go back, but I don't think most people acknowledge, like,

688
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Speaker 5: like part of the reason that Lane Kiffin was not

689
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Speaker 5: allowed to coach Old Miss was because if they go

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Speaker 5: on a run, you can't have him. And so it's

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Speaker 5: just like it's cool now if ole Miss beats Georgia

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Speaker 5: and they're now playing on January tenth or whatever, and

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Speaker 5: the portal opens on January second, I don't know how

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Speaker 5: excited Lane Kiffin is about that. And I also don't

695
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Speaker 5: know that Old Miss feels like they have the full

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Speaker 5: attention of those guys preparing for a semi final. But

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Speaker 5: the counter that is I just think it's very funny

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Speaker 5: because it's basically Cope.

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Speaker 4: Let's sell who will be excited.

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Speaker 2: Jason Stewart and probably a lot of other college football

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Speaker 2: fans because I think Ole Miss is the story here.

702
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Speaker 2: Like in this bracket of they're the ones who are left.

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Speaker 2: Can they put on the Cinderella run, get revenge against Georgia,

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Speaker 2: maybe have a matchup against the defending national champion, all

705
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Speaker 2: done without their coach. I think that is the story

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Speaker 2: of this bracket.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 4: He's erin Torres. I'm dan byer In for Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 2: Today, Lions eliminated from the NFC playoff picture with that

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Speaker 2: loss to the Minnesota Vikings. It's it's always tough to lose,

716
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Speaker 2: it's even tougher to lose. To Max Brozmer like that

717
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Speaker 2: was that was That was tough one for the Lions

718
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Speaker 2: yesterday in the Sandwich game of the triple header, and

719
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Speaker 2: then at night you the Chiefs giving all that they

720
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Speaker 2: could against the Denver Broncos. But the Broncos continue their

721
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Speaker 2: winning ways despite having their losing streak snapped last week.

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Speaker 2: They bounced back in a short week and beat the

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Speaker 2: these shorthanded Kansas City Chiefs, which sure seemed like the

724
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Speaker 2: farewell to Travis Kelcey. So a lot happening on the

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day in the National Football League?

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Speaker 5: Can I say something really quick on I know we

727
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Speaker 5: have a bigger Lions conversation to do as I think we're.

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Speaker 3: Still waiting for Mark.

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Speaker 5: He's coming up, okay, so as we get Mark Dominic ready.

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Speaker 5: The Lions topic is both fascinating but it's also sort

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Speaker 5: of not fascinating to me because everyone's like, the Lions,

732
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Speaker 5: what happened?

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Speaker 3: It's like they whiffed on their OC? Like is it?

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Speaker 5: It's not like, you know, like the Chiefs, right, I

735
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Speaker 5: think there's like seven holes to plug on that roster

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Speaker 5: before you're back to where you were.

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Speaker 3: The Lions. It's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you may have had a genius savant calling plays.

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Speaker 5: You you may not get a Ben Johnson again, but

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Speaker 5: like you know, with due respect to everybody who does this,

741
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Speaker 5: I saw so many like how do the Lions fix it?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, nail the OC and you'll probably be

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Speaker 5: really good again next year.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to get some insights, maybe from a former

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Speaker 2: NFL GM who joins US now. Mark Dominic is on

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Speaker 2: the line, as he always does here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: Mary Christmas, Mark, how are you merry?

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Speaker 8: Christmas tells I'm good gets of football for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. We were just talking about the Lions, Aaron says.

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Speaker 2: You know, step one is to figure out your offense

752
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Speaker 2: and offensive coordinator and find your eventual real replacement to

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Speaker 2: be Johnson. Are there further issues with Detroit outside of

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Speaker 2: what happened at the OC position this year?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, we can be hard. This

756
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Speaker 8: is also a Detroit team to put fifty points up

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Speaker 8: on the board. I think during the season they've dropped

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Speaker 8: thirty to forty points almost half the year. So this

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Speaker 8: team has scored points. It's just been frustrated the last

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Speaker 8: couple of weeks when you put twenty four and then

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Speaker 8: ten on the board the last two weeks and you're

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Speaker 8: just not quite scoring enough. I think it's more as

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Speaker 8: much as it is on offense, I think it's also

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Speaker 8: on defense. I think it's a little bit of a

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Speaker 8: combination because if you're scoring on average, if you're scoring

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Speaker 8: about twenty eight points to thirty points, the game, you'd

767
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Speaker 8: think you'd have a lot more victories than eight. At

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Speaker 8: this point we did the Detroit Lions and and I think,

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Speaker 8: you know, something's are just falling apart from them. I

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Speaker 8: look at it a complete like hold tight, let's not

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Speaker 8: panic here. It's not the season that anybody expected to Detroit.

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Speaker 8: And that's frustrated across the board. But it doesn't mean

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Speaker 8: you just need to go throw everything in the boat

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Speaker 8: and off the boat and say, hey, how are we

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Speaker 8: going to do everything again next year? Continuity is something

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Speaker 8: that's nice, and I think for the Detroit lines, in

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Speaker 8: my personal opinion, I don't think you quickly go out

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Speaker 8: and do anything else. You know, obviously with John Morton

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Speaker 8: and what they're going to do, we'll see who they

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Speaker 8: choose or what they're going to have. They going to

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Speaker 8: play that out. But Kelvin Shepard, like I said, on

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Speaker 8: the defensive side, I want as much continue as I can,

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Speaker 8: So even if it comes from internal, I think that's

784
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Speaker 8: important because I think in a year from now we

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Speaker 8: can look at the Detroit team to go. But they

786
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 8: didn't do a lot yet they've gotten so much better

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Speaker 8: and I think that's what we can see. The offensive

788
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Speaker 8: line to me, is still a spot, especially on the

789
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Speaker 8: interior of the offensive line. That's to me where they

790
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Speaker 8: really kind of struggled this year, and I think that's

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Speaker 8: gonna be something they have to address.

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Speaker 3: Let's stay in that same game.

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Speaker 5: I know JJ McCarthy did not play in this game,

794
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Speaker 5: and I know he got hurt in the Giants game,

795
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Speaker 5: but previous two games before that, five touchdowns, one interception.

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Speaker 5: You have the big Sunday night win against Dallas. I

797
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 5: under with JJ McCarthy. I understood both sides. Have you

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00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 5: won a million games last year with Sam Donald? Do

799
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Speaker 5: you let them walk? Sam Donald's having success. I also

800
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 5: felt like everybody skewed too far the other way because,

801
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Speaker 5: in my opinion, he was essentially a rookie quarterback after

802
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 5: essentially taking no snaps last year. Just again, I know

803
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Speaker 5: it's hard because he didn't play last night to evaluate him,

804
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Speaker 5: the vikings, whatever. I just feel like I still feel

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Speaker 5: like there's a lot of chapters to be written in

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Speaker 5: the JJ McCarthy, you know, story, before we just write

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Speaker 5: him off as his total bus.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree?

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Speaker 4: Disagree?

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Speaker 8: I do agree, and you know I want to give

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Speaker 8: him another full season, just like you know, I'd like

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Speaker 8: to see, you know, a couple more seasons out of

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Speaker 8: Caleb Waves before I just write the checkbook right, it's

814
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Speaker 8: and it's with JJ certainly not the season that I

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Speaker 8: thought he'd have. I thought he'd have a little bit

816
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Speaker 8: better season. But his big thing is you know, availability

817
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 8: is a big part of this game, as we all know.

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Speaker 8: And I think one of the things that's really frustrated

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Speaker 8: from Minnesota and their fans is to watch how many

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Speaker 8: times their quarterbacks got hit this year. I mean, I

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Speaker 8: think they gave up over almost sixty sacks on the season,

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Speaker 8: So I don't know who you're going to put back there.

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Speaker 8: That's a big problem they have to address in this

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Speaker 8: offseason as well. And I know it's never exciting or

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Speaker 8: sexy to draft an off into the line of the

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Speaker 8: first or second round. You never get the good you know,

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Speaker 8: post draft grades. You didn't draft the receiver that every

828
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Speaker 8: likes at the tight end or the big pass rusher.

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Speaker 8: But you know, the offensive line is so critical. And

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Speaker 8: if you take a step back and look at Caleb

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Speaker 8: Williams and what he's done in the Bears, a lot

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Speaker 8: of it has to do with what the Bears did

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Speaker 8: this offseason on that offensive line. This has really been

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Speaker 8: a catalyst for that team.

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Speaker 2: Mark Dominic joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's

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Speaker 2: erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer, Mark, former GM of the

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm curious with your twenty plus years

838
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Speaker 2: experience in front offices. It's not a chicken in the

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Speaker 2: egg sort of deal. But we had Chris Oladokin starting

840
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Speaker 2: last night for the Chiefs. We had Max Brozemer starting

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Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings. We got Brady Cook starting for

842
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: the New York Jets. Dolphins have turned to Quinn Ewrs.

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Speaker 2: I understand why the Dolphins made the decision that they made,

844
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Speaker 2: but there seems to be a real question on the

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Speaker 2: quality of quarterback play when we're getting down to second

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Speaker 2: and third string quarterbacks. Has this always been an issue?

847
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Speaker 2: Does the NFL have to figure out a way to

848
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Speaker 2: develop these quarterbacks so we're not watching guys you really

849
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Speaker 2: can't throw the football. What has been your experience with

850
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Speaker 2: the I guess limitations in trying to develop to develop

851
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Speaker 2: guys to play that important position.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I look at this. That's tough on Dan because

853
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Speaker 8: I look at it and see, since you know, the

854
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Speaker 8: the practice squads have been expanded and the amount you're

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Speaker 8: easily able to keep one or two extra quarterbacks maybe

856
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Speaker 8: on your private squad as you work with them and

857
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 8: develop them. But there's such a difference, as you guys know,

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Speaker 8: between hey, great rep and practice where you can't lose

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Speaker 8: the game, and there's a rep in the regular season

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Speaker 8: where you can. And it's just you know, the processing

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Speaker 8: and the development. I think we're going to be okay.

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Speaker 8: I think the more important part of this league is, yes,

863
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Speaker 8: you have your quarterback. But I think clubs have kind

864
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Speaker 8: of taken it for granted, like, Okay, you know we're

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Speaker 8: going to spend fifty five million dollars in a quarterback,

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Speaker 8: and then we're going to go buy the left end

867
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 8: and the wide receiver and instead not thinking maybe you

868
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 8: should have another twelve million to fifteen million dollars based

869
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 8: on that second string quarterback. Because in case of I

870
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 8: don't want to look to my owner and say the

871
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 8: season's over. I want to be able to say, hey,

872
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 8: look we can battle through this and maybe could the

873
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 8: other side, maybe an injury for our quarterback isn't that bad,

874
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 8: or we can still win with this guy, and we're

875
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 8: gonna have to have everybody else step up and he

876
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 8: might not be the quarterback, might not be the reason

877
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 8: we're winning, but we win with him. And so that's

878
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 8: what I think clubs have to look at, is what

879
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 8: do I want to invest in the number two And

880
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 8: it's not Maybe it's not a young guy, depending on

881
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 8: who your starter is, but maybe it's that veteran. It's

882
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 8: that guy that's played around a little bit that you said, hey,

883
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 8: look a Davis Mills, right, something like that. Even a

884
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 8: guy that's battled injuries is young. Still Aidan O'Connell who's like,

885
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 8: I'm not sure what he is or who he is,

886
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 8: but boy, when he played, he's still got a better

887
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 8: touchdown to interception ratio, and Davis Mills the same way.

888
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 8: So I think you got to look at those type

889
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 8: of players and say, maybe the investment should be a

890
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 8: little bit stronger there based off where the CAP's going

891
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 8: to make sure that if my star quarterback isn't able

892
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 8: to be there for four weeks or eight weeks, I

893
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 8: still can take this team and get to the postseason

894
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 8: and show something. So I think investing in trying to

895
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 8: allocate those funds towards that number two quarterbacks still is

896
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 8: really critical. And I think clubs are starting to see

897
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 8: that again.

898
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: So then basically we're just kind of we're kind of

899
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: at the mercy of what a third string quarterback is

900
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: because that's kind of how it looks like there's nothing

901
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: that the Vikings could do. Really, I just don't want

902
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: to watch Max Brosmer run for his life every time,

903
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: but it kind of seems like that's kind of what

904
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 2: we have to deal with in the NFL.

905
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 8: Dan, I think you're right, you know, and I think

906
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 8: part of that is, you know, one less preseason game,

907
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 8: and one day we're gonna have one less preseason game.

908
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 8: We'll have the two preseasons at some point, and part

909
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 8: of that's going to be that you can't beat experience.

910
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 8: And for these young quarterbacks in the league that are

911
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 8: like I probably won't play, he's taking the third step

912
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 8: the reps. You know, he's just doing scout team. You know,

913
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 8: he's pretending to be the starter for the other club.

914
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 8: So he's not even really working in his own offense.

915
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 8: He's working with the other offense does and so they're

916
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 8: not getting the reps to be able to say, hey,

917
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 8: look if it's my turner, I get my number called

918
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 8: and I'll be ready to go. And so for like

919
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 8: Max and things like that, he's been running the scout

920
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 8: team all year. He's pretending to be the Bears and

921
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 8: the Lions and the Packers and instead now he's gotta

922
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 8: be the Vikings. And that's hard. And we saw that

923
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 8: last night with you know, like you said, you're running

924
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 8: around and hopefully to make enough plays that they can

925
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 8: stay in it, and defensively they did.

926
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: Mark.

927
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, there's a excuse me, a

928
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 5: little bit of a hot internet rumor right now, or

929
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 5: an internet conversation happening. Obviously, the Giants right now are

930
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 5: trending to potentially get the number one overall pick. Jackson

931
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 5: Dart a little bit of a concussion issue or at least,

932
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 5: you know whatever, he's susceptible, whatever, And it feels like

933
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 5: there is this conversation of one year in do you

934
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: trade Jackson Dart and use that number one pick hypothetically

935
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 5: on Fernando Mendoza. Now I understand probably to this point

936
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: you haven't done a ton of homework on Fernando Mendoza.

937
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 5: You're focused on the season going on. But as a

938
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 5: former GM, it feels, let me put it this way,

939
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 5: It feels like this is one of those great Internet

940
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: conversations that outside of Kyler Murray and Josh Rosen, I

941
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: don't really ever remember happening when you draft a guy

942
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 5: you don't really know much about him and you immediately

943
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 5: draft over him. I don't even know really what the

944
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 5: question is, but I just think it's one of those

945
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 5: that sounds like a fun topic and a fun discussion

946
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 5: in December that doesn't really come to fruition in April.

947
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 5: Do you have any thoughts on what the Giants codor

948
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: should potentially do with that first pick if.

949
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 8: They get I get yeah, and I appreciate it. I

950
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 8: do think there's some fun there. But I also look

951
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 8: at Jackson Dart and and you know, when we talked

952
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 8: about you know, the you know, you know kJ McCarthy

953
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 8: and his touchdown interception ratio, and I know that's an

954
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 8: easy number to look at for any fan, but at

955
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 8: least Jackson's was thirteen to five, right, And so You're

956
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 8: you're sitting there going, well, you know, yes, she's got

957
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 8: to find a way to learn how to slide, like

958
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 8: we've we've heard that before as well, and I think

959
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 8: Jackson can be taught that to make sure that he

960
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 8: stayed in the game. I would have a hard time

961
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 8: walking away from Jackson Dart right now and taking Mendoza.

962
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 8: I have not done enough work on Mendoza as a person.

963
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 8: You know, there's still questions on you know, what's he

964
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 8: like as a leader, what's he like as a guy

965
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 8: in the locker room. I think those are really big

966
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 8: questions that as fans we haven't dug into that. And

967
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 8: I'm not saying there's something bad there. I'm just saying

968
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 8: the capability the leadership of a player and how he

969
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 8: leads a team and what the team around him thinks

970
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 8: of him is critical. I fell into that trap a

971
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 8: little bit. I had a young quarterback who was outstanding

972
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 8: in terms of athletic gifts and arm talent and quarterback

973
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 8: skills in Josh Freeman, but he wasn't a great leader,

974
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 8: and you know that costs over time, that cost me,

975
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 8: And so I'm very sensitive that I would like to

976
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 8: know that about Mendoza. I just don't know what that

977
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 8: is yet. And I've got a little caution there just

978
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 8: because and so I think jack Jackson dark the bigger

979
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 8: thing is like, can you get him some more another weapon?

980
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 8: You know, is it the wide receiver, because it's a

981
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 8: really good receiver class, is it? You know, I don't

982
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 8: know if there's nothing to line, but I think it's

983
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 8: better for the Giants to have the chatter is how

984
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 8: far can they trade back in the first and hopefully

985
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 8: find a taker for the number one pick and still

986
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 8: get the player they want, Because that's where you've got

987
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 8: to really balance it, right. You can't just I'm going

988
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 8: to trade back to thirteam because that's the best offer.

989
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 8: It's like you still want to walk out with a

990
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 8: guy that's going to make a huge impact because you

991
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 8: have to win in two thousand and twenty six, especially

992
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 8: for the GM. So I think that you've got to

993
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 8: find out where your line of you know, demarcation is

994
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 8: in terms of where the skill set's still elite. And

995
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 8: I still feel like I'm getting the top player versus,

996
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 8: you know, just trade to trade, and I think that's

997
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 8: what the Giants, that's what we'll be talking about if

998
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 8: the Giants hold onto this pick.

999
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: I got one last one for you, Mark Dominic joining

1000
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: us here on Fox Sports Radio. There are some rumblings

1001
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: in Baltimore this week. There have been rumblings over the

1002
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks. Has a player ever set a

1003
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: practice schedule for a team in your history in the

1004
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: National Football League? Because that was alleged in a column

1005
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: in the Baltimore Sun that the Ravens practice in the

1006
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: afternoon because that's when Lamar Jackson wants to practice. There

1007
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: were other claims made about Jackson's preparation and maybe falling

1008
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: asleep in movies, but the practice time was something that

1009
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: alerted me. Has that ever happened in your experience in

1010
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: the NFL?

1011
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 8: No, nothing like that. The coach coach handles that and

1012
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 8: make sure that's happening. And I know there's a rumors

1013
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 8: and stuff about ball. Possibly if he got let go,

1014
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 8: he'd be picked up in two seconds as a head

1015
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 8: coach somewhere else. I don't worry about that. That is

1016
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 8: surprising to me. I don't know if I completely agree

1017
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 8: with that. I'm sure you're trying to find the right

1018
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 8: balance of right rhythm, but I've never ever heard of

1019
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 8: a story like that before. And I will say, you know, obviously,

1020
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 8: the Giants play the Raiders, and I just feel like,

1021
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 8: in the end, it's not gonna be just sexy. But

1022
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 8: I think the Raiders end uputing the number and picking

1023
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 8: the draft.

1024
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: Interesting all right. He's Mark dominic our NFL Insider. We

1025
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: appreciate the time. Happy New Year, Mark. We'll talk to

1026
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: again in twenty twenty six.

1027
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me on guys. Happy New Year fellows.

1028
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 9: Ryan Kennedy, he is the Detroit Lions fan who was

1029
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 9: involved in that physical confrontation with Steelers receiver DK Metcalf

1030
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 9: leading to Metcalf being suspended for two games, held a

1031
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 9: news conference where he denied Metcalf's accusation that he used

1032
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 9: a racial slur during the confrontation.

1033
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 10: Listen, it is really hard to get me upset.

1034
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 8: But there's two things.

1035
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 10: Animal abuse racism. Like I get hot right away, like

1036
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 10: I could feel it my face, it gets all warm.

1037
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 10: I didn't use any racial slurs, no hate speech. I mean,

1038
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 10: none of that stopped at the game. To Kaitlin, if

1039
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 10: you're watching this, man, if you could just say that, please, Like,

1040
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 10: my family's getting threats and stuff and it's not cool.

1041
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 10: So I'm sure you didn't want that to happen to

1042
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 10: the family.

1043
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 8: That's all I got. Go Lions, oh boy.

1044
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 9: Final footnote on that. Mister Kennedy conducted the news conference

1045
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 9: while wearing a Lions cap backwards back to you guys.

1046
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: I actually saw that clip.

1047
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 5: I was like, I am sure the Lions are over

1048
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 5: the moon that he is wearing team paraphernalia while he

1049
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 5: is prescofference.

1050
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: Sticking to the sticking to the bit. Do we want

1051
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: to dive into this? You guys have thoughts on that

1052
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: at all.

1053
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 7: I had a lot of thoughts we should get to

1054
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 7: it in the next three hours. But I just like

1055
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 7: the fact that he's somebody demanding that at the very

1056
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 7: least DK say he never said.

1057
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: That, Yes, but but saying it in the reason and

1058
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: calling him to kaelin, which is the reason why DK

1059
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: was mad in the first place, is him also sticking

1060
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: to his guns in saying that what he said was

1061
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: not wrong.

1062
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 4: I think that there's that way of weaving in and out.

1063
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 6: Iowa, Sam, you mean his gun that's made out made

1064
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 6: into like a balloon animal because this guy's a clown.

1065
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: Oohow, Like, I'm.

1066
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: Sorry what happened with DK did was clownish, But this

1067
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 6: guy is a clown. Okay, because he may be innocent

1068
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: of this, but this guy is still going around and

1069
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 6: antagonizing players. If you are that kind of person. That's

1070
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 6: clownish behavior. I'll say that like I've been. I've been

1071
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 6: on jumping back and forth like rope on this story

1072
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 6: because I thought the guy was a clown for saying

1073
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 6: anything that would make a player respond. And then I

1074
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 6: heard what was said, and then heard what was alleged

1075
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 6: and didn't believe for a second that he said the slur,

1076
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 6: the derogatory term. And then when he goes back to

1077
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 6: the press conference in the sticking to his guns by

1078
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 6: calling him to Galen.

1079
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 4: But that's all right, what are we doing?

1080
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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going back and forth, like you really want

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Speaker 6: him to come out and say the truth, and you're

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Speaker 6: going to call him by his government name. You really

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Speaker 6: think that's going to help your help the matter.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: No, it's that's clownish behavior. It's continuing on and on