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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks.

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Speaker 1: We continue now a part two of our conversation with

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Speaker 1: Monica Kelcey, right after these brief messages from our general sponsors.

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Speaker 2: So you're sitting now with your family, Okay, yeah, see

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Speaker 2: he's getting us off the squirrel path. See that's why

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Speaker 2: you're here.

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Speaker 1: He needs to shut up. This is my show.

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Speaker 3: I got a mic now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So we sat down as a family and

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Speaker 2: I said, we either tell everyone or we tell no one.

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Speaker 2: There's no in between here. We can't do this half basically,

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Speaker 2: And so my son was like, well, if we can

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Speaker 2: just save a life, why wouldn't we do it? And

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Speaker 2: so interesting enough, and I'm sure you know this since

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Speaker 2: you watch you know me, he my son who said

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Speaker 2: that was the one that was attacked the most.

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Speaker 1: Your son that said what specifically he was.

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Speaker 2: He was saying, you know, if if if you're going

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Speaker 2: to go out there and do this, uh, and if

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Speaker 2: it saves one child's life by you talking and telling

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Speaker 2: your story, then why wouldn't we do it? You know?

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Speaker 2: He's kind of like me though too. He's got a

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Speaker 2: big mouth, like really a big mouth. You know, I'm sure,

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Speaker 2: that's not a surprise to you. But out of all

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Speaker 2: three of my kids, he is the one that will

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Speaker 2: be the most voiceful and and so he and that's

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Speaker 2: this is another story for another podcast. But my my

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Speaker 2: son actually went to prison and we were literally just

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Speaker 2: attacked and he made the worst decision of his life

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Speaker 2: and it cost him his best friend's life. And so

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Speaker 2: but that's another story. But what me going back is

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Speaker 2: he he was the one that stood up, and he

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Speaker 2: was the one that took the blunt of it, and

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Speaker 2: he's still taking the blunt of it today. He uh,

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Speaker 2: he's a pretty good kid.

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Speaker 1: Though.

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Speaker 2: He's a pretty good kid. So then after I decided

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Speaker 2: to start talking about it and going public with this story,

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Speaker 2: I found myself in South Africa on a speaking tour.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, and my too far.

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Speaker 1: Ahead, that's a jump.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first, let me go back.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I read that your son, as a teenager,

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Speaker 2: Friend passed and I was the medic on that run.

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Speaker 1: Holy crap, I didn't get that part. Yeah, you showed

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Speaker 1: up to your own son's wreck.

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Speaker 2: I was halfway to the scene and I had no

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Speaker 2: and then I knew it was my son and his

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Speaker 2: and I didn't know which one was which. And then

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Speaker 2: I got there and I seen my my son doing

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Speaker 2: chest compressions on Casey. And then I worked Casey in

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Speaker 2: the field for eight Cacy, his best friend. I worked

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Speaker 2: Casey in the field for eighteen minutes. I couldn't save him.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things that I

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Speaker 2: Because we loved Casey and they just made a really

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Speaker 2: time of death of Casey, you know, I had to

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Speaker 2: that became the nightmare. Now this is not to jump ahead,

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Speaker 2: but this was thirty days after I launched baby boxes

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Speaker 2: wanting to shut my boxes down. My son is in

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Speaker 2: And not saying that my son doesn't take responsibility, because

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Speaker 2: and so the judge sentenced him to four years in

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Speaker 2: the Department of Corrections. And as the mayor's son, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can see the media just tearing us apart. And

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Speaker 1: I raised four kids and Lisa and I tried to

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Speaker 1: So before anybody starts throwing stones at you, they need

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Speaker 2: Well, you can raise them inside the house, but when

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Speaker 1: Something I've been quoted as saying is that football doesn't

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Speaker 1: build character, reveals it. And what that means is tough times.

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Speaker 1: Don't a lot of people say, oh, if it doesn't

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Speaker 1: tough times, when those occur, that is the opportunity that

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Speaker 1: especially every parent has that a kid that's been sixteen

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Speaker 1: what ninety five percent of the kids in this country do,

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Speaker 1: which is stupid crap. It's just most of them, by

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Speaker 2: No, no, he didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, those boys weren't lucky that night.

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Speaker 1: So you've got this ball of stuff going on. But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So South Africa's where I seen the very first

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Speaker 1: For in this mayby safe safe like a safe you

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Speaker 2: But I was like, what is this and what is

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Speaker 2: was standing at this box. And so on the flight

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Speaker 2: back from Cape Town, South Africa on a Delta napkin,

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Speaker 2: I handrew my version of the baby box.

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Speaker 1: When you heard that story, did it get personal to you? Oh? Yeah, yeah?

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Speaker 1: It tying back to the first fifteen minutes for our conversation,

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Speaker 1: it had to hit you right in your gut. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, it gave me purpose, you know. And I think

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Speaker 2: Three quarters of my company is built off that Delton napkin,

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Speaker 2: And I said, I'm gonna put him in fire stations.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say babies. He thought I was crazy. He's like, well,

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Speaker 2: And so I wrote a chuck from my husband's account,

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Speaker 1: You're spending seven hundred bucks on a baby box and

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Speaker 2: And two weeks later I had this very basic box

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Speaker 2: then I went to a legislator and I said, hey,

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Speaker 2: he says what And I said a baby box bill?

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Speaker 2: And he says, well, do you have model legislation? And

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Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, we will be the model legislation. This

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Speaker 2: no idea what you're even talking about. And so the

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Speaker 2: more I started talking about babies being dumped in our country,

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Speaker 2: every three days in America, a baby is left somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Say that again, every three days in America, a baby

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Speaker 2: is being left somewhere.

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Speaker 1: What is left mean?

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Speaker 2: In a dumpster, in a trash can alongside a highway,

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Speaker 2: in a shoe box under a bed that's left, that

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Speaker 2: these babies are meant to die. And so knowing that,

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Speaker 2: I started talking to this legislator and saying, we if

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Speaker 2: we can you save one of those three.

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Speaker 1: Every three days, every day this country.

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Speaker 2: In the United States of America, a baby is hostile.

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Speaker 1: And we're not talking about left at a police station

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Speaker 1: or a fire state right now or not, We're not

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Speaker 1: that is horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I mean, I could give you

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Speaker 2: the country. Last year, they had thirty three abandoned babies.

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Speaker 2: That's not so. Texas actually has been consistently the worst

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Speaker 2: Abandoned babies were happening before Roe v. Wade was overturned.

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Speaker 2: We are giving women an alternative that does not include

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So I know, I've seen like

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Speaker 2: They should be arrested if they're going to place their

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Speaker 2: Exactly what it does well tell us about that. So

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Speaker 1: How old the two days? One day, a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of hours old old baby? Yeah, I think in that

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Speaker 2: And so so just google, just google it, You'll see

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Speaker 1: So seeole have just I don't want to watch.

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Speaker 1: I know for a fireman. I'm just saying people have

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Speaker 2: Well, so firefighters think about this. So a firefighter finds

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Speaker 2: with them for the rest of their life, one hundred percent,

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Speaker 2: Now is surrendering a baby in a box without pain. No,

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Speaker 2: haven't looked far enough. These women are intelligent, as we

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Speaker 1: So the legislature says, I don't even know what you're

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Speaker 2: And and so we passed the very first babybox bill

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Speaker 2: And what that did was make protocols, policies, and procedures

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Speaker 2: So we sent back. This legislator sent back and said, well,

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Speaker 1: And of Indiana, apparently Jim.

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Speaker 2: Bop he's actually the attorney for the National Rights a

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Speaker 2: I'm like, but there's nothing saying I can't. And he says, no,

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Speaker 1: He's out, Jim, Bob, hang out that bone.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, babe, can we put a box in

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Speaker 1: He didn't at least say are you sure you want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to do it, but you know what

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Speaker 1: What do you have him doing now washing the window,

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Speaker 1: So you get that. So the mayor says, yes, dear,

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Speaker 2: a licensed contractor. And basically it's like cutting a window

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Speaker 2: out of the side of the wall. So the outside

439
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Speaker 2: of the baby box is on the outside of the

440
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Speaker 2: building and the inside is on the inside of the firehouse.

441
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Speaker 2: And it's almost like another door into the firehouse for

442
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Speaker 2: someone an infant.

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Speaker 1: Almost feels like the pass through when you do the

444
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Speaker 1: drive through pharmacy. Just sticker, he are.

445
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Speaker 2: You bringing up pharmacy? Oh my god, but yes, yes,

446
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: because half of it's outside, half of it's inside, except

447
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: it doesn't roll out and roll back, get it. But anyway,

448
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 2: so mom opens this outside door and an immediate nine

449
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Speaker 2: one one call goes out. She doesn't have to do

450
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Speaker 2: anything but open the door, just open the latch. And

451
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Speaker 2: then when she places this baby inside, now it's it's

452
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Speaker 2: climate controlled on the inside or temperature regulated, that's the

453
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Speaker 2: technical term. And uh, she places this baby in a

454
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Speaker 2: medical basinet that's in the Nike So this baby's contained

455
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Speaker 2: in this this medical bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Not so it's a box, but the baby's not thrown

457
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Speaker 1: in a cardboard box.

458
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Speaker 2: It's actually a medical bass. Maet got it and so

459
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Speaker 2: and then when she and it's it's now at this point,

460
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Speaker 2: two alarms have been triggered that have called nine to

461
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Speaker 2: one one and they're not connected to each other, which

462
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Speaker 2: is important because that's the safety feature of the box.

463
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Speaker 2: So if the first alarm fails for whatever reason, the

464
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Speaker 2: second one would still pick up because it's not connected

465
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Speaker 2: to the first one. And then once she shuts it's

466
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Speaker 2: the door. The door locks, no one can get in it.

467
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Speaker 2: And and that's a safety feature because if someone was

468
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Speaker 2: watching from across the street, we don't want them coming

469
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Speaker 2: and taking this in. And so the babies are in

470
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Speaker 2: these boxes for the average time is two minutes, some

471
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Speaker 2: some places are a little bit faster.

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Speaker 1: Is there an alarm inside the fire department so the

473
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Speaker 1: firemen inside know what's going on?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's so there's one inside. But if they're gone, yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: we we have to have we have to have something else.

476
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Speaker 2: And so the nine one one system and this is work.

477
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Speaker 2: I think Christ really, I mean, my my life has

478
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Speaker 2: been set up from the get go because I lived

479
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Speaker 2: in fire stations, I know them, I know the nine

480
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Speaker 2: one one system, and so for me to be able

481
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Speaker 2: to make a box that uses that technology, it was critical.

482
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Speaker 2: And so the box is going to call nine one one,

483
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Speaker 2: whether they're in the building or not. Either way it's

484
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Speaker 2: calling nine one one is going to know. And so

485
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Speaker 2: if they're in the building, they're already going to have

486
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Speaker 2: the alarm prior to nine to one one getting it.

487
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Speaker 2: If they're not in the building, they're gonna have to

488
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Speaker 2: come back, or police officers in the area are going

489
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Speaker 2: to come and retrieve this invent or if it's a

490
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Speaker 2: volunteer fire station, anybody close is going to come take

491
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Speaker 2: this child and pull it out this box. The longest

492
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Speaker 2: time of baby's ever been in our box is four

493
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Speaker 2: minutes and twenty seconds, and so you get nothing to

494
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Speaker 2: look at that time. The five minutes, we'll just say

495
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Speaker 2: five minutes or less versus six hours in Hobbs, New

496
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Speaker 2: Mexico dumpster. Think about that, six hours in a dumpster

497
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Speaker 2: versus five minutes in a baby box.

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Speaker 1: Or let's not even use the worst case scenario of

499
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Speaker 1: the Hobbs dumpster. If there's one every three days in

500
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Speaker 1: the United States. At the very least, it's at thirty

501
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Speaker 1: minutes to a couple hours, or somebody founds them, or

502
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Speaker 1: they just die and they're found as a corpse somewhere.

503
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Speaker 2: Okay, So that brings up a good point because in

504
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Speaker 2: Chicago two years ago it was January, there was a

505
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Speaker 2: fire station in Downtouchgowl. It's very cold in Chicago, especially

506
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Speaker 2: in January, That's what I mean. But this fire station,

507
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: it said Chicago fire up above, you know, blah blah

508
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Speaker 2: blah in the side door. The side exterior door had

509
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Speaker 2: a sign above that said safe Haven location. Regular folks

510
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: would know that this was a firehouse. Firefighters would know

511
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Speaker 2: this isn't a firehouse. This is where they do their

512
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Speaker 2: maintenance on their vehicles.

513
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Speaker 1: Oh no.

514
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Speaker 2: And so this parent comes to this baby, this this

515
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Speaker 2: fire station in the middle of the night or first

516
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Speaker 2: thing in the morning. Nobody really knows either. Knocks on

517
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Speaker 2: the door, doesn't, knock on the door, rings the doorbell,

518
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Speaker 2: doesn't nobody's there, nobody lives there because this is where

519
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Speaker 2: they do the maintenance in their fire station. And so

520
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Speaker 2: firefighters come in the next morning at five am and

521
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Speaker 2: there's this blue duffel bag beside the door, and so

522
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Speaker 2: they're out shoveling snow in January. They unzip and there's

523
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Speaker 2: this baby that is frozen to death. Now, this baby

524
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Speaker 2: was not taken there dead. Why would a woman take

525
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Speaker 2: a baby to a fire station and leave a dead

526
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Speaker 2: newborn to leave it there?

527
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Speaker 1: Probably thought she was leaving it for a fireman.

528
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Speaker 2: To live to find. Yeah, and this baby died. And

529
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Speaker 2: so there's other circumstances for these you know, these boxes

530
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Speaker 2: to be important, and that's one. If they're not there,

531
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Speaker 2: we don't want a baby on the ground. We don't

532
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Speaker 2: want a baby sitting there because it's how many women, So, say,

533
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Speaker 2: this fire station is out on a fire how many

534
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Speaker 2: fire stations is she going to go to until she

535
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Speaker 2: finds someone one?

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's already scared to death exactly. And no mother,

537
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Speaker 1: especially young mother in this situation, is going to trust

538
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Speaker 1: going to a police department because they're going to worry,

539
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Speaker 1: they're going to get in trouble, so they're not going

540
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Speaker 1: to go to the cops. And firemen are much more

541
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Speaker 1: trusted than the police are. Just so anyway, so it

542
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Speaker 1: all makes sense from that perspective, I think, well.

543
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Speaker 2: In hospitals. So hospitals are also safe haven locations. Every

544
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Speaker 2: hospital in America is a safe have in location. And

545
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Speaker 2: so you can walk into a hospital and hand your

546
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Speaker 2: child to a person. You think you're yeah, but you

547
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Speaker 2: think you're on camera. Of course you're on camera. You

548
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: know they're going to ask you a ton of questions.

549
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 2: You can't just walk in there, hand the child and

550
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Speaker 2: turn around walk away. That's the law. But do you

551
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Speaker 2: really think that's reality. No, they're going to say, wait

552
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: a minute, what are you doing. Hang on a second,

553
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Speaker 2: don't leave yet. I need to get some.

554
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Speaker 1: Information as a call a counselor, we need to call security,

555
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Speaker 1: We need to call these people. And then all the.

556
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Speaker 2: Shit don't want to make us. Yeah, they don't want

557
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Speaker 2: to make a make a mess of a situation or

558
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Speaker 2: a mistake. And so they're like not letting these women leave.

559
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Speaker 2: And this is the calls that we're getting. We actually

560
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Speaker 2: had a firehouse in New York City hold a woman

561
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Speaker 2: would not let her leave. We were trying to get

562
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Speaker 2: her to surrender at the fire station. She called us.

563
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Speaker 2: We wanted her to go to a hospital. That's whole

564
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Speaker 2: another story. And so she gets to this fire station

565
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Speaker 2: and We even told her, do you want us to

566
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Speaker 2: stay on the phone? Nope, nope, And so she goes

567
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Speaker 2: this fire station. She calls us back. She goes, they're

568
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: not letting me leave, And I said, who's not letting

569
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Speaker 2: you leave? She said, firefighters. They're calling somebody to come in.

570
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: I said, let me talk to them. And so they

571
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: get on the phone and we're like, what are you doing?

572
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: Do you even know the safe haven law? And they're like, yeah,

573
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Speaker 2: she can leave her baby here. I just got to

574
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Speaker 2: get some information. No, you don't. You clearly don't know

575
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Speaker 2: this law. And so I fight day and night for

576
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: these moms to remain anonymous. If that's what they choose. Now,

577
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: if she wanted to give her name, she'd give it.

578
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: If she wanted to stay, she would stay. Don't force

579
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Speaker 2: her to. That's why we're finding dead babies and dumpsters

580
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 2: and trash cans. Is because these women don't want to

581
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: go face to face with these people. They don't want

582
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Speaker 2: to be asked questions, and they certainly don't want to

583
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Speaker 2: justify their decision.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Can I ask the questions? I

585
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: hear you. I think it's important. I want to allow

586
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Speaker 1: you to speak to this because I don't want any

587
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Speaker 1: of our listeners to misunderstand this. You're fighting for these

588
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: babies life, and if defending somebody who's in this position

589
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: is what you have to do to save the baby's life,

590
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: you're going to defend those ones. But it's not about them.

591
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: It's about the baby's life.

592
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Speaker 2: Baby first, mom second. Every time I'm starting to get

593
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Speaker 2: that talking to you baby first.

594
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Speaker 1: Reason is well, because that baby is you.

595
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Speaker 2: Well, yes and no, I mean the law was never

596
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Speaker 2: enacted to saying mom.

597
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Speaker 1: Well, what I'm saying is you feel it.

598
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know how they feel. Yeah, I've been there.

599
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: I've struggled with worth as we've talked about, I know

600
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Speaker 2: how important it is for these mothers to have a

601
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Speaker 2: safe place for their baby, because they're going to choose something,

602
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Speaker 2: and we need to make sure that they're choosing something

603
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Speaker 2: that's safe that does not involve the death of their child.

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Speaker 1: Stigma says, when you hear this, well, they're young and

605
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: stupid and they shouldn't have got pregnant in the first place.

606
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I shame on them and too bad for them.

607
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Speaker 2: Get that all the time.

608
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm just teeing it up for you.

609
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we we all fall short of

610
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: the glory of God, every one of us, and something

611
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, and you know, I mean this two

612
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 2: days ago on TikTok and we have you know, between

613
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: Facebook and TikTok, we have two million followers. And so

614
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: I put my opinion out there a lot, and I

615
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: think people respect that. But there was a girl that

616
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Speaker 2: was forced to stand up in front of her church

617
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Speaker 2: and say that she was pregnant. What why are we

618
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: doing this? Why are yes, we're in a church, But

619
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Speaker 2: the church should be surrounding this girl with love, not

620
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Speaker 2: making her, not shaming her in the front of a church.

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Speaker 1: Here's a squirrel for you. Well, I would argue one

622
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Speaker 1: of the reasons church attendants continues to fall is our

623
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Speaker 1: church has been its own worst enemy. By the notion

624
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Speaker 1: believe like me, or you're going to hell and do

625
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: like me, or we're going to shame you into doing right.

626
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Speaker 1: That is not really the good news of the Bible.

627
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: No, no, it's not, And it's stuff.

628
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Speaker 1: Like the story you just told. It continues to disintegrate

629
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Speaker 1: the very what I would argue is a very vital

630
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Speaker 1: and good work that faith in church can do. But

631
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Speaker 1: the church seems to be its own worst enemy when

632
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Speaker 1: it pull stunts like that.

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I mean I remember going to church

634
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Speaker 2: when I was young. Wasn't anything like it is now,

635
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: you know. And maybe it's because I'm older, maybe it's

636
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: because I understand more. But I seen that the other

637
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Speaker 2: day and I just went off and you should see

638
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: the comments underneath, people like that's why I don't go

639
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: to church.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm saying. Yep, yeah, that there's a lot

641
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Speaker 1: of people searching for what their belief is and what

642
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: their faith is, and that are sitting on the fence,

643
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: and it will take one of those videos for them

644
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: to say the hell with all that. Yep, that's a squirrel.

645
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: That's a squirrel.

646
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: So but the point is, you are fighting for these babies' lives.

647
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: And if defending a woman who's even not been the

648
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Speaker 1: victim of a crime, but has just made a really

649
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: terrible decision or a series of terrible decisions in her

650
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: life to lead her to a place where she has

651
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: this four day or four hour old child, you don't care.

652
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: You will defend her for the sake of the life

653
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Speaker 1: of that child.

654
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: She is basically saying, I want what's best for my child.

655
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: And it's not me. How could anybody be angry at that?

656
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: You can't. You know, we have seventeen, sixteen, fifteen year

657
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: old girls that coming moms and we're all praising them,

658
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: and then three years later these kids are end up

659
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: in foster care. But yet we're going to criticize a

660
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: mother for choosing something more for her child and allowing

661
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: her own heart to break. It's not easy putting a

662
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: baby in a box. It's not easy putting a baby

663
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: for adoption. You know, I recognize that I've not been there,

664
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: but I recognize this by talking to these moms, and

665
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: instead of shaming them or judging them, what we should

666
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: be doing is lifting them up and saying it's okay,

667
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: we've got it. We've got it from here and.

668
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Your baby it's going to be okay, so you don't

669
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: have to live with that trauma the rest of your

670
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: life too.

671
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, every baby that's placed in our box.

672
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: I go on social media a lot of times. I

673
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: go down to the location we do a press conference,

674
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: and I speak directly to this mother. All those videos

675
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: are out there, you can see them, but I thank

676
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: her for keeping her child safe and for and thank

677
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: her for trusting me to take it from here. You know,

678
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: these babies, you know, when they're put in our box,

679
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: they're safe, a lot of them. Ninety nine percent of

680
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: them are healthy, you know, wrapped up. I just did

681
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: a video yesterday talking to one of my staff. We

682
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: had a baby in our box. And I always call

683
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: my staff and say, hey, what are you doing? You know,

684
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 2: and people love these videos. I don't know why, but

685
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: I think it's because it's raw and it's real and

686
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: and I told them, I said, this baby, you could

687
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: tell this baby was loved. This baby was wrapped up, pink,

688
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: warm and dry, cleaned, up in a diaper, wrapped in

689
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: a very tight blanket, placed in our box. Do you

690
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: think that was a mother that didn't love this child. No,

691
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: she did everything possible to keep her child safe. And

692
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: for us to criticize her or say anything negative about her,

693
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: shame on them.

694
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: I can't help but tell you, and I hope you'll

695
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: go back and listen to it. There's an episode from

696
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: Oh My Gosh, probably over a year ago. Alex what's

697
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the uh, what's the name of the of the of

698
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: the lady who started the organization the Pictures of the pastor.

699
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: Having no Uh now I leave me down to sleep.

700
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

701
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

702
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: The babies that are photography.

703
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: Still born babies with photographers make their time too. When

704
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 1: I first when Alex said, hey, we're going to review

705
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: this thing about these people to take pictures of dead babies,

706
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear that, you think, no, I'm

707
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: not that's what until you understand how those pictures of

708
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: of of couples who have had or women who have

709
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: had stillborn or babies dot birth, and that they they

710
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: they these photographers volunteer their time, that these mothers five six,

711
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: seven years later, those are some of the most cherished

712
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: possessions because their baby lived, Their baby existed, even though

713
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: it's not on the face of the planet, it existed,

714
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: and those pictures support that, and it helps them so

715
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: much to get over their own trauma of having lost

716
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: a child in birth or still birth or whatever. So

717
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: once I understood the story after interviewing him, now I

718
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: understand what an unbelievably beautiful story it is, and how

719
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: selfless it is of these photographers, and how redeeming it

720
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: is for these parents and obviously yours, and that is

721
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: a different story, but in that same regard, at the

722
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: very least these mothers know my child will live, my

723
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: child will be cared for, and whatever trauma led up,

724
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: because I can only imagine invariably, to get to a

725
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: point that you're going to leave your baby in one

726
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: of these boxes, you've experienced some trauma. At the very least,

727
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: the trauma's not doubled or heaped upon them about the

728
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: health and welfare of their child. And that's what you're

729
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: providing those women, as well as what you're providing for

730
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: the baby.

731
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: You're exactly right, you know which. As you were talking,

732
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: I was thinking of this story of one of the

733
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: babies that was placed in one of our boxes, where

734
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: when the baby was adopted, the adoptive parents contacted us

735
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: and they said, if you know who her mom is,

736
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: will you tell her she's safe and that if she

737
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: ever wants pictures or letters, we'd be happy to send

738
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: them to her. And that was so beautiful for me,

739
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: Like I was like, wow, this is like interesting enough.

740
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: We were still counseling her birth mom and this was

741
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: this was about a year and a half after the

742
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: baby was surrendered, and so I talked to our counselor

743
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: and I said, can we connect them if they both agree,

744
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 2: can we connect the birth mom with the adoptive family.

745
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: And she says, this is very risky, this is not

746
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: a good idea, and I said, well, if both people agree,

747
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: why couldn't we do that, And against her approval, I

748
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: did anyway. I mean, I mean, they both agreed. So

749
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I guess this is the

750
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: right thing to do. And four months ago they met

751
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: the adoptive parents and the daughter that she placed in

752
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: our box met her birth mom, and you know what,

753
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: the relationship that they have now, it's just so beautiful.

754
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean, there is nothing negative about this. This this

755
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: birth mom gets to see her daughter grow up from

756
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: a distance and no one knew she was pregnant. She's

757
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: still doing this from a distance with no one knowing

758
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: that she has a daughter. Well for her, she's finding

759
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: peace and this little girl now will know her story.

760
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: And so you look at that mum.

761
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: That's really brave of the adoptive parents too. They can't

762
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: be left out of that equation. My goodness, what phenomenal

763
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: grace and trust on their part. They're the ones investing

764
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: in that child.

765
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, and she's she's just she's a little spark

766
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: offire interesting enough, they have now two of our babies,

767
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: this this adoptive family, and so they've reached out to

768
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: the other birth mom. She does not want anything to

769
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: do with you know, and that's okay, you know, that's okay, but.

770
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: It is because that's second. The baby's fine, right, all right?

771
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: So you start with one box because your husband does

772
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: what he stole, and then you get another box. How

773
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: many boxes we got around the country.

774
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: Now, three hundred and two, three.

775
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: Hundred and two baby boxes and fire fire stations? Literally

776
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: does that encompass every single state?

777
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: I'm in twenty one states right now. I will launch

778
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: in my twenty second state, which will be the state

779
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: of Montana next month.

780
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: Please tell me we have one in Tennessee?

781
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: Oh, you have ten in Tennessee.

782
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: I love that. Do we have one in Memphis?

783
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: Closest one is a Toka.

784
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's just outside.

785
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: Of memphisp I got one there and that one almost

786
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: had a baby. We actually got this mom to go

787
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: into the hospital though and give birth instead of birthing

788
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: alone and placing in a box.

789
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: We'll be right back, all right. So now, besides these boxes,

790
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: which if that's not incredible enough, you've alluded to it

791
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: a little bit, but you've gotten into counseling and what

792
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: it tell tell us what Save Haven Baby Boxes has

793
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: become in terms of like an organization now and the

794
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: other things that you're doing.

795
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: So there is so much more that happens beyond the boxes.

796
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: What we call it because the box the Yeah, beyond.

797
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: The box, beyond the box.

798
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: So my new podcast is called Beyond the Box, and

799
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm excited about that. But so what what we do

800
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: in front of the scenes everybody gets to see. That's

801
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: the babies being placed in our box, you know, us

802
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: thanking these parents. What they don't see is, yes, we

803
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 2: have a counseling, a counselor that counsels these moms if

804
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: they want, and they can remain anotheronymous, they can give

805
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: a fake name, that's okay, but they have to do

806
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: it via zoom. They can keep their camera off, but

807
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: they have to do it viazoom. We will not counsel

808
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: over text for obvious reasons. And so we also have

809
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: gotten mom's medical care. That's important that these babies aren't

810
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: born in hospitals. We want to take care of mom too,

811
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: if she'll let us. Also, the adoptions that are happening

812
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: with our babies. I am this is not gonna surprise you,

813
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: but I'm a spit of fire when it comes to

814
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: adoption because our babies aren't for sale. And I know

815
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: this is going to probably your listeners are going to

816
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: be like, what the heck is she talking about? As

817
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: an adoptee, my parents paid one hundred dollars. Now, I

818
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: know this is fifty one years ago. I get that,

819
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: But fifty one years ago, one hundred dollars is what

820
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: my adoptive parents paid for me because it wasn't about

821
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: the cost. Today, these babies are fifty sixty thousand dollars.

822
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: We know. We just recently has that episode released.

823
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just wait to know your own show, buddy,

824
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: I'm waiting to know your own podcast.

825
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Look, man, you are the producer.

826
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: Both hands with J. T.

827
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: Eilsen. So there what that is.

828
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: They raise money to help people pay for the adoption.

829
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: So it's it's based off of James one to twenty

830
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: seven True and Onto foul. Religion is caring for the

831
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: widows and the orphans. So the way they raise money

832
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 4: for the adoption is by helping an orphan or by

833
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 4: helping a widow.

834
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 1: So what they do is they go in and fix

835
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: up a widow's house and they get people to sponsor

836
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: them doing that, and in fixing up the widow's house,

837
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: they raise fifty or sixty thousand dollars to then give

838
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: to a family so that they can adopt a child.

839
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 4: Rather than just having a golf tournament. And people are

840
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 4: gone to you should you should get in touch with them?

841
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so how cool is that? It is awesome?

842
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 2: It is awesome, But why are we paying sixty thousand

843
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: dollars for an adoption agency?

844
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: Okay, you and I agree on that, But the reason

845
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: is is because.

846
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: I would agree to what's up you would agree to.

847
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: He would agree to. He would say it is insane

848
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: that it costs us much to do a good thing

849
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: for a needy situation and to take in a child.

850
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: But adoption agencies have administration, there's laws, there's attorneys, are

851
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: over reltigious society. I am not saying that the fifty

852
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: or sixty thousand dollars is appropriate or right. I am

853
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: just saying, as you would say, that data says that

854
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: it is.

855
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: Now an adoptionat and so.

856
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: These people erase that so that people can adopt children.

857
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: Do that thing which is cool and I do love that.

858
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: I do love that. And I'm not talking about adoption

859
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: where a mother chooses an adoption agency and then chooses

860
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: the parent. That's not where my problem lies. I am

861
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: all safe Haven. So the babies that we get, if

862
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: they go to an adoption agency, you know, we're basically

863
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: handing this baby to them.

864
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: So what do you do.

865
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: Well, so the baby that comes through the say fire station,

866
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: goes to the hospital. Most states go through the Department

867
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: of Child Services, some states go through adoption agencies. I'm

868
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: trying to get the call of the adoptions for Safe

869
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: Haven babies down to minimal because these mothers are trusting me.

870
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: If they place a baby in our box, they're trusting

871
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: me to make sure that the that the process works.

872
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that having a family get a

873
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: baby and paying that much that that baby's not going

874
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: to end up good. We have a lot of families

875
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: that are foster families that are foster to adopt, families

876
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: that don't have to pay fifty thousand dollars that can

877
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: do it through foster care and you know, maybe pay

878
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars for the court cost to be this

879
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: forever family for these babies. And so what we're doing

880
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: is we're kind of like dividing these people up. You

881
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: have to have so much money in order to adopt,

882
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: which you're kind of hitting that to where they don't

883
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: have to have that much money because they're they're getting

884
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: that raised. And I understand that. But then on the

885
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: flip side, the people that don't have the money or

886
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: they don't have the support of this organization, what they're

887
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: out and they're good families and they.

888
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Would be great families for these babies.

889
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's what you know from beyond the box.

890
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: What I try to do is our babies. And I

891
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: say our babies because we work so hard to save them,

892
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: but our babies, we want to make sure that they're

893
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: not bought. And I know that's going to raise a

894
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: few flags with some people when I say that, but

895
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: that's just how I It's almost like that's how you

896
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: that's how you feel like if I can pay two

897
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: thousand dollars by putting the baby into the foster to

898
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: adopt program, making and I know the foster foster program

899
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: is a hell of a mess right now, we've also

900
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: done yeah, and so I understand that but instead of

901
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: making more laws and sending these babies to adoption agencies

902
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: so that adoption agencies can profit off of them, why

903
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: don't we fix the problem with the foster care system

904
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: and get these babies into homes that are good homes

905
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: where they don't have to pay. You know. So I

906
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: do know that it's a double edged sword. I do

907
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: know that this is an uphill battle for me. But

908
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: that's something that I look at from beyond the box.

909
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time to call Billy Bob who the attorney.

910
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: That's maybe Jim.

911
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: But you know, and you know, if if these babies

912
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: go to the adoption agencies, if Safe Haven babies go

913
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 2: to the adoption agency, the adoption agency doesn't have any

914
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: They didn't work with a mom, they don't have any counseling.

915
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: These moms are anonymous, they don't get the count. So

916
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 2: all the things that they're doing for the birth mom

917
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: that they're saying that they're collecting money for for their

918
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: services is obsolete. They have no parent that's fighting this

919
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 2: or needing counseling or anything like that.

920
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: And so if I can do actually, you're actually the

921
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: as I hear you, you're almost stepping in oh.

922
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: I'm stepping into a fire because I've got a lot

923
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: of adoption agencies that are like, hate me right now.

924
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm bad. That's what I'm sitting here thinking. You're probably it's.

925
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: The right thing to do. You know, it's the right

926
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: thing if I just if I can get adoption agencies

927
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: to the baby, and and again if an adopt, if

928
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: a birth mom chooses that adoption agency, and how much

929
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: this is that choice, that's her choice. But the babies

930
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: that are coming through us, if I can just get

931
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: them to ten thousand dollars, that's more, I think than

932
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: what it's going to cost to adopt this job. But whatever, okay,

933
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars. If I hand you a baby that's

934
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 2: been placed in our box, and I save me handed

935
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: it's not me, but I I if a baby is

936
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: given to you that came through our box, why can't

937
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: you make it work for ten thousand dollars? Why can't

938
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: you make it work? I can make it work on

939
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: our boxes. On the cost, and I know it's probably

940
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: coming up in this thing and the cost we charged

941
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars for a box. Do I spend more?

942
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Hell?

943
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 2: Yes, I spend more than fifteen thousand dollars, marketing training,

944
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: producing the box signage.

945
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: Cutting the hole, cutting the hole in the side of

946
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: the lawyer fees.

947
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: Okay, fifteen thousand is very minimal, and I spend a

948
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: lot more than that, but I rely on donations to

949
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: cover the rest of it.

950
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Ye. That's because I was about to ask, this has

951
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: got to this has become an enterprise. Now where the

952
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: world does all the money come from? Because there's no revenue.

953
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: There's no revenue, and it's people that believe in our

954
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: ministry that give us those those dollars. And so if

955
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: adoption agencies can just take a little play out of

956
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: the Monica's playbook and say, let's charge less. But if

957
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: people want to give us, because most of them claim

958
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: to be nonprofits, they can get donations. Indy, do you really.

959
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 4: Think they could do it for ten grand instead of

960
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: fifty there's a lot of excess profit there.

961
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so yes, I do think they can do that.

962
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: So you have attorney fees, cork costs, and a home study.

963
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: Those are your three main things with an adoption. How

964
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: much is that going to cost you? Home study twenty

965
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: five hundred, attorney fees twenty five hundred cork costs an

966
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: extra five grand, you're a ten grand. You can do

967
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: it for that. You can do it for that. But

968
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: what adoption agencies.

969
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 4: Are to take some of your guys's staff to manage

970
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 4: all those too, so you'd have to hire up and

971
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 4: scale that part of it.

972
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing anything on adoption.

973
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: That's not my fortee. You know that has to be.

974
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: I won't do anything with adoption because I don't want

975
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: to look like I'm profiting or trafficking, got it, you

976
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so, but what we need

977
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: to get people to see is that you can do

978
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: it for that. And if you're a nonprofit, you shouldn't

979
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: be taking in fifty thousand dollars from a family.

980
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifteen based off of what you.

981
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: Said, yeah, and so, But what these adoption agencies are

982
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: doing is when an adoptive family calls them and says, hey,

983
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: we want to hire your Okay, Well let's do a

984
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: home study twenty five hundred bucks, right, okay, and you're

985
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: gonna have to pay for birth mom to probably live.

986
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: That's probably four thousand dollars. I think in Indiana it's

987
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars they get to help or whatever, and

988
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: then you know, we have to do a nice little

989
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: thing for our website. That's another five thousand, and then

990
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: did you want us to do this for you? That's

991
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 2: another So it's almost like an a la carte. Okay,

992
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: so you can poose all these things up front, so

993
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: before they even get a baby, they're thirty grand in. Okay, Okay,

994
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: that's fine if you want to choose that. But then

995
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: these families that have already paid thirty thousand dollars are

996
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 2: getting our babies, and then they're paying an additional twenty

997
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand, twenty eight thousand on top of what

998
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: they've already paid. That's where you get those numbers from.

999
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying, hey, can't you have a list

1000
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: of people that don't want to pay all those extra

1001
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: stuff or.

1002
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Can't afford to, but are still great families.

1003
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if your adoption agency wants to handle them,

1004
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: can you have a separate list for Safe Haven babies

1005
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: and then just ten thousand dollars?

1006
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: So that's what you're working on now.

1007
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: That is what I that's I'm not against.

1008
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: It that they do hate you, Oh they hate me, right,

1009
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to wrench in the whole works.

1010
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the right thing to do. And that's

1011
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 2: that's you know, it doesn't matter how many enemies I make,

1012
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: and now there's a lot of them out there, but

1013
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: that's the right thing to do.

1014
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: How many babies sentencesception as safe Haven baby Box is saved.

1015
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: We're at a total of two hundred and.

1016
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: Twenty seven, twenty seven.

1017
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: Lives and yeah, since twenty seventeen. Our first baby came

1018
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: in November of twenty seventeen, and so fifty seven of

1019
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: those are in the box and the rest are handoffs.

1020
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: And so a lot of those handoffs are at baby

1021
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: box locations and that's just our protocol. We we ask

1022
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: these moms or dads if they'll walk in and hand

1023
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: the baby to a person, and some of them will.

1024
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: And that's what they say, called for the baby box.

1025
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: But when they find out there's a safe alternative, alternative

1026
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: where they're not going to get in trouble.

1027
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: They just assume hand it just need to be assured. Hey,

1028
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: I'll call the fire station. So I have a counselor

1029
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: who answers the phone. She's answering the phone, talking to

1030
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: mom she'll let me know, Hey, Toke is getting a baby.

1031
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: They're ten minutes out. I'll call it tokas fire chief

1032
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: and I'll say, hey, Chief, it's Monica. You got a

1033
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: baby that's coming. They're going to walk in and hand

1034
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: this baby to you. Make sure you give them the

1035
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: orange bag. They're not using your box, you know. And

1036
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: so that process helps mom assure that she's not going

1037
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: to be stopped and asked questions.

1038
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Do you have relationships with the

1039
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: chiefs of each of these fire stations where your boxes,

1040
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: so they at least know who you are so you

1041
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: can actually have a conversation with them.

1042
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: Yes, the first two hundred boxes that was blessed, I

1043
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: did them all myself. I went into their fire stations,

1044
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: I did their trainings. I drove there or flew.

1045
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: There, and I guess being a Medican, a firefighter yourself,

1046
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: they kind of g haul with you because they know

1047
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: you know their brand.

1048
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm their sister.

1049
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: It is an interesting number of circumstances along every step

1050
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: of your life, from not only how you were conceived

1051
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: to who raised you, to finding your mother to marrying

1052
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: a guy who happened to be a mayor who could say, yes,

1053
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: let's stick it in the wall of our fire department.

1054
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: To your trip to South Africa, to what you do

1055
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: for a living that came from you enlisting in the Navy,

1056
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: all of these things kind of come together to make

1057
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: this happen. And it's a very unique skill set really well.

1058
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: And it's it's Christ driven. It's it's Christ laid this

1059
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: out there. There is no this life could have done.

1060
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, too many.

1061
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: There is too many circumstances and too many things that

1062
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: are connected. And so that's why I know I'm doing

1063
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: his job, you know. And it's it's interesting because people

1064
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 2: will say, well, what's your goal five years? What's your goal?

1065
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: I don't have a goal. I'm just a passenger in

1066
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: this car that Christ is driving. Wherever he goes is

1067
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: where I'm going to go. And sometimes it might be

1068
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: a little bumpy. I get that sometimes we might have

1069
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: to stop. I get that sometimes I need to get out.

1070
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: I get that.

1071
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: Did those two hundred and twenty seven lives help you

1072
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: to overcome that self worth thing that you dealt with?

1073
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: For God's sakes? It should.

1074
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: Working with these moms is what really gives me the

1075
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 2: peace because my birth mom didn't have this. You know,

1076
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: I text a lot of these moms I have. I've

1077
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: had people contact me on TikTok said, I want to

1078
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: talk to Monica because they know that I have somebody

1079
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: else helping me with my social media, and so I'll

1080
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: give them my cell phone and I text back and

1081
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: forth with these moms, and I think that also brings

1082
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: them a little bit of peace knowing that I got

1083
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: their back. You know, I've spent hours on these techs

1084
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: on the phone with them only because they wanted to

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00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: talk to me and not a counselor. Some people don't

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00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: want the bullshit, you know, they don't. Counselors are great,

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Speaker 2: they serve a purpose, but they don't want to be coddled.

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Speaker 2: They want to be told, you know, kind of raw

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Speaker 2: and real. They want they they don't want you to

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00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: dance around something, and that's me. I'm not going to

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00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: dance around and I'm not going to tell you something

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00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: that's going to make you feel better. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: tell you the truth.

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Speaker 1: If somebody is listening out there and needs or know

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Speaker 1: someone that may need the use of a baby box,

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00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: or somebody out there wants to just donate to baby

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Speaker 1: boxes or i'd forbid. We've got a firefighter out there

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00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: saying I want to stick one of these things at

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Speaker 1: our wall. How do they find safe even baby boxes?

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Speaker 1: And how they find you?

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Speaker 4: And probably most of our communities don't have it, So

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00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 4: even you know, concerned citizens like hey, we need this

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00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: in Oxford, Mississippi. That so what I'm saying, Yeah, if

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 4: you're outside of fire just normal someone wants to call

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00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 4: their fire chief and say, stick a baby box in

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Speaker 4: your wall?

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Speaker 1: Dude, how do they find you? How do they find everything?

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00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: Let's give us all the all the handles, the website

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Speaker 1: and how to get in touch.

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Speaker 2: So the best place to go is to s HBB

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00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: dot org. That's our roll. You did that fast, s HBB.

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Speaker 2: So it's the first letter of Safe Haven baby Boxes

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Speaker 2: dot org. Okay, and that's where you're gonna get a

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Speaker 2: ton of information, some testimonials, and some stats. If you

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00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: want to connect with me, if you want the raw

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00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: and the real Monica Kelsey, the only way to get

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00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: that is TikTok And hopefully that's the that's not going

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00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: away anytime soon. But we we kind of tone me

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00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: down on Facebook because it's a different generation. On Facebook,

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Speaker 2: and so our marketing team does a really good job

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Speaker 2: of letting TikTok just be whatever I wanted to be,

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00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: whatever I want.

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Speaker 1: What's your handle for TikTok and Facebook?

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00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: It's just Monica Kelsey.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. It's k E L S E. Y.

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Speaker 1: If someone wants to talk to you a little more personally,

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Speaker 1: can they email you? What's your email address?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just Monica at safe havenbabyboxes dot com.

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Speaker 2: Or if they want to go to the website and

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Speaker 2: go to the contact us page. I get a lot

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00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: of them that says, please give this to Monica, and

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00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: those come to me. So I have one person that

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00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 2: answers those emails and she'll shoot it right to me

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00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: and a come right back to me. So I will

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Speaker 2: contact you.

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Speaker 1: Why are you and your winter Bago today? Where are

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Speaker 1: you headed?

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Speaker 2: So? I'm headed to Florida. We're blessing a box in

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Speaker 2: Hernando County.

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Speaker 1: Blessing a box, so we call it.

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Speaker 2: The blessing of the box. As a Christian, you know,

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Speaker 2: we bless every box before we put it into operation.

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Speaker 2: A pastor comes out and puts his hand on it

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Speaker 2: and blesses it. You're kidding No, I'm not kidding. That's

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00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 2: why I'm so tired, you know, because I'm like three

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Speaker 2: hundred and three boxes. It's like I did two hundred

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00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: by myself. Now I have a little bit of help

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00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: from some girls in the office. But but we're going

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Speaker 2: down to Hernando County to bless a box.

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Speaker 1: Where is that what?

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Speaker 2: Just north of Tampa, Okay?

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Speaker 1: Got it?

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Speaker 2: And then we're going to Mobile, Alabama to bless a box.

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Speaker 2: And then uh, there's another place Marion County, which is

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Speaker 2: Okaala in Florida, we're blessing another box. And then it's

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Speaker 2: my twenty yeah, kind of in the middle, and then

1157
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Speaker 2: my twenty six wedding anniversary is the twenty third, and

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 2: so I really have to take care of my husband

1159
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 2: because he really takes care of me. So we're going

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00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: to spend a few days down in Fort Myers, good

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00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 2: for you, love, Yeah, with our dog and our Winnebago

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Speaker 2: and our car being tone.

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Speaker 1: What's your dog's name?

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Speaker 2: Harper?

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00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: Harper?

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Speaker 2: If you followed us on TikTok, you know this because

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00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: I will show up at events and people will be like,

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00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, there's Harper. Because she goes to all

1169
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: these events with me and she's like a baby box dog.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, Monica Kelcey, what a story you have

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Speaker 1: to tell? What the same of your book.

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Speaker 2: It's called Blessed to have been Abandoned, The Story of

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 2: the Baby Box Lady Amazon Amazon. Yeah, Blessed to have

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Speaker 2: been Abandoned.

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Speaker 1: Monica Kelcey. How long? How long did you write that?

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 2: I wrote it in twenty Well, my dad was dying

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00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 2: of cancer, and so I kind of took that up

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Speaker 2: on myself to start.

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Speaker 1: Your adoptive dad to be clear, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: And my parents had celebrated fifty years of marriage that year,

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00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: and then he passed away a few months later. But

1183
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: I wrote it, and then four months after he passed away,

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: I published it. That was in April of twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, and people could find that on Amazon. Yes, all right, Monica,

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Speaker 1: thank you for stopping off at Memphis on the way

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Speaker 1: to bless some boxes and to take care of your

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Speaker 1: husband with your dog Harper, to spend a couple hours

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Speaker 1: with me. Phenomenal story. And you know, most people listen,

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Speaker 1: most people don't watch, but I wish I could share

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Speaker 1: your araa with folks. You are You're such a bright

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00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: light and thank you. You are a bundle of energy

1193
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and you. I love straight talking, hard nosed people who

1194
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: beneath that really hard shell have this massive part, and

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Speaker 1: you're one of them, I can tell. And just an

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Speaker 1: ordinary person's just army in normal folks. Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, thank you for having me, and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us this week. If Monica Kelsey

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Speaker 1: or other guests have it inspired you in general, or

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Speaker 1: better yet, to take action by trying to bring a

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00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: baby box to your community, donating to them, or something

1203
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: else entirely, please let me know. I really want to

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Speaker 1: hear about it. You can write me anytime at Bill

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Speaker 1: at normalfolks dot us and guys, I'll respond. If you

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, please share it with friends, share it

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Speaker 1: on social, subscribe to the podcast, rate it, review it,

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Speaker 1: Join the army at normalfolks dot us, consider becoming a

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Speaker 1: Premium member. There any and all of these things that

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Speaker 1: will help us grow an army of normal folks. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to our producer, Iron Light Labs, I'm Bill Courtney. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, do what you can