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Speaker 1: the thing about reality TV. You come into a scene,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why it was such a big thing.

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Speaker 2: This is what I let me tell you about that day.

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Speaker 2: So the day before my husband was admitted to the

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Speaker 2: what we call a biwig party, meaning everybody must take

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Speaker 3: So that was the party I was throwing.

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Speaker 2: Yep, And my husband just got admitted to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: They said, do it. I called Greg. I wanted to

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Speaker 2: They promised me no one would go into my closet.

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Speaker 1: Because you said it, Because you said don't touch like

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Speaker 2: They told those girls to do it, and they were

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Speaker 3: But that's again, that's me keeping it one hundred.

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Speaker 2: You're also realize on Glee, New Normal, Broadway, Sinderella, Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I had a residency in Vegas Zumanity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And were you making good money acting like you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like it was okay money. I don't

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Speaker 1: But was it in your mind? Were you like planning

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Speaker 1: Out like that. But you were on a path to that, right,

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Speaker 1: I thought. I was Okay, didn't you get your own show?

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Speaker 1: Someone working with you said you had your own show?

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Speaker 1: Weren't you given a show or you were on a series?

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Speaker 2: I was only I had my own show as far

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Speaker 2: as my wedding, like you you know wedding.

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Speaker 1: No, but you were on Gleam. Were you not on

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Speaker 3: Or is that a New Normal?

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Speaker 1: Oh? New Normal was like a real good part. Also, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's what I remember. You were on New Normal. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and you leave the Housewives, but you were first a friend.

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Speaker 1: So how was told to me? Was that like a

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Speaker 3: I was told I was always a housewife.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I was told the reason you left was because

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Speaker 3: You mean in the end, towards.

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Speaker 1: No, in the end, when you were leaving, they were

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Speaker 1: like finite number of episodes. I forget if it was

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I was given less and less and less episodes every season,

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Speaker 2: down to six episodes.

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Speaker 1: You were given six guaranteed episodes, yes, and you decided

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Speaker 1: Like what was that whole chapter about? Because I was

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Speaker 3: My thoughts in leaving were okay.

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Speaker 2: It felt like I was being phased out. I didn't

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Speaker 2: and I was asking why am I given less and

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Speaker 2: And I was constantly being told by the executives in

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Speaker 3: And I don't know how you tell a person they're unhappy.

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Speaker 3: Saying, I guess. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I think it was the audience turning on you.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel like the audience was I feel like

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Speaker 2: the audience have always loved to hate me.

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Speaker 3: I think they've always had.

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Speaker 1: A love, yeah, and love and hate relationship with me.

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Speaker 3: Both both we love her, hat her, we love her.

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Speaker 3: We ha we love her? You know kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: So you felt like you were getting demoted and iced

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Speaker 2: Uh, of course? And again I go back to why

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Speaker 2: And I'm an original, the only original house life on

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Speaker 2: the show, and all the other original housewives on their

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Speaker 2: and I'm the only black original on my show and

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Speaker 2: I was given less. I'm given six, they're all given eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Why And the only answer you can give me is

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Speaker 2: you to tell me that I am unhappy?

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Speaker 3: How do you know I'm unhappy? Are you inside of

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Speaker 3: my body? Well?

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Speaker 1: How can you negotiate with them when they're demoting you

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Speaker 1: and you were trying to get a certain amount of

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Speaker 1: money but they have all the leverage? Like what was

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Speaker 1: that whole experience? Like, like what do you what's going on.

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Speaker 2: The experience of when I got the call to say.

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Speaker 1: What season was that? Like three seasons ago, like thirteen

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Speaker 2: Thirteen I think, well, okay, okay, well I feel like

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Speaker 2: this was a very important time in black lives. It

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Speaker 2: was Black Lives Matter movement. I'm an original housewife. I

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Speaker 2: should be there. This is an important time. And I

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Speaker 2: was basically told, flat out told, we need you to sit.

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Speaker 3: Out this season, is what I was told.

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Speaker 1: But that's like what they did with Derinda with a pause.

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Speaker 1: She was drinking a lot this season before she seemed

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Speaker 1: I guess, very angry, and she was unhinged, and so

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Speaker 1: they like give her a pause. There are these arbitrary

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Speaker 1: then you come back in like it's very you know,

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Speaker 1: it's the realm. The head of the realm, oz And

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Speaker 1: I guess oz is Andy and Bravo are moving all

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Speaker 1: the pieces around in the franchise and deciding that Ramon

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Speaker 1: is now a friend, Luand's a friend. But you get

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Speaker 1: to come back in Phedra. You did something terrible and

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Speaker 1: said that you that Candy was I need to see

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Speaker 1: what that was. Oh no, no, no, I'm saying, but

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Speaker 1: that's how I'm seeing that. Like they're moving all these

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Speaker 1: piece and you're being moved out. It's your turn to

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Speaker 1: not coming back at all. I'm done. I'm out.

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Speaker 2: The final decision came. I said I was gonna take

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Speaker 2: the six episodes, is what I said. In the end,

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm going to go ahead and take it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Was that because of finances? Was? What was that reason?

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Speaker 2: Not for finances, I don't think it's at that time. No,

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Speaker 2: it was because my team was saying do it. My

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Speaker 2: husband was saying, you know, you know you're great. When

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Speaker 2: you get on the show, You're six episode will probably

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Speaker 2: turn into ten or fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Because you know you're great. You're gonna be great, You're

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Speaker 3: gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: But that in build, I must feel very sad for you,

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Speaker 1: like started it and you're like Sneeny leaks and you're

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Speaker 2: I didn't understand why it was happening. And in the end,

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Speaker 2: the reason I made the decision that I don't, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna be able to take these six episodes. It

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Speaker 2: was during the Black Lives Matter movement. I got on

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Speaker 2: the phone with the executives and they wanted me to

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Speaker 2: come for Candy is what they said. They wanted me

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Speaker 2: to We want you.

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Speaker 3: To get Candy.

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Get her?

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Speaker 1: I mean, but what was their reasoning and what did

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Speaker 3: I think we had.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some issues maybe the season prior to and they

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Speaker 2: I addressed her and all that stuff, and I said, no,

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Speaker 2: I really don't want to do that. This is Black

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Speaker 2: lives matter, and I don't want to do that. And

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Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I felt like it was black

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Speaker 2: in the black culture. And also they wanted me to appear.

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Speaker 2: If I appeared that season, they needed me to argue

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Speaker 2: with Candy, and that was not something I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: So you made the decision to leave the show. And

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Speaker 1: how long after that did you I don't know the story.

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Speaker 1: I guess you sued them, you sent them papers. What

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Speaker 2: There were a lot of things happening that you just

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Speaker 2: don't know about. But like racism, you're talking about because

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of things happening to me, unfair treatment.

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Speaker 2: Well no, I just mean that it was a lot

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Speaker 1: That time or during your own history that you were reflecting.

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Speaker 2: During a period of years things were happening. For instance, Okay,

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Speaker 2: let me give you an example. We are cast of

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Speaker 2: She doesn't travel, we travel, she doesn't shoot, we shoot.

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Speaker 3: So there was there's a lot of different treatment happening

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Speaker 2: And I was more of the outspoken one, the one

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Speaker 2: that was in the front, like me and the girls

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Speaker 2: would talk about it and then we would say, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's unfair that Kim doesn't have to take any cast trips,

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Speaker 2: Like none of us want to take cast trips.

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Speaker 3: Right, and she wasn't taking cast trips.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: The only trip Kim took that I can remember is

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Speaker 2: to Miami. Our cast went to Miami, and she went

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Speaker 2: on that trip. In fact, when Kim walks off of

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Speaker 2: the show, we're all sitting there talking to her about

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Speaker 2: why didn't you You gave us these dates to go

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Speaker 2: on these cast trips. You said you would be available,

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Speaker 2: and you're not available. Kim did not go on cast trips,

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Speaker 2: only the Black girls. I felt that over the years

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Speaker 2: that I was treated differently than.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, okay? And what did they say to that, Like,

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Speaker 1: what was the response?

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Speaker 3: I don't know their response.

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Speaker 2: Because I've worked with this company for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: I had issues.

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Speaker 2: You would think that someone there would have said, let's

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Speaker 2: pick up the phone and talk to her and see

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Speaker 2: what's happening. They never picked up the phone. Oh, let's

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Speaker 2: discuss why I ever wanted to speak to me.

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Speaker 1: To this day, you haven't spoken to anyone about You

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Speaker 1: haven't spoken to you haven't spoken to Andy or anyone

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Speaker 1: about So when's the last time you spoke to Andy

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Speaker 1: or someone from Bravo. This feels like this was a

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Speaker 1: long this was in the last three years. You're saying

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Speaker 1: this whole thing because.

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Speaker 3: It feels like and probably was three years.

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Speaker 1: So three years ago, you leave the show, you file

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Speaker 1: an action that's still going on. It's a case or

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Speaker 1: what is it called.

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Speaker 3: This is a complaint.

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Speaker 1: You have a complaint and it's still going on. And

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Speaker 1: I've heard that it's back and forth, and it felt

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Speaker 1: it feels like it was abrupt, like you leave and

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Speaker 1: then when does this all come? And then they would

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Speaker 1: say or someone would say, why didn't you file it earlier?

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Speaker 1: Like are you a disgruntled employee? That type of thing.

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Speaker 2: So no, I'm not a disgruntle employee because I was

441
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 2: bringing my complaints all all the time. Oh it wasn't

442
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,880
Speaker 2: like I just decided, oh, I'm leaving and now I'm

443
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 2: going to complain about all these things I was, which

444
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: is why I believe I was given less and less

445
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 2: episodes because I made complaints a lot over the years.

446
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,720
Speaker 2: If there was something that did not look right or

447
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 2: sound right to me, I would bring it up right.

448
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,720
Speaker 1: And so let's just get this clear. So you're because

449
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 1: I want this so you because it was backwards, So

450
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: basically for years, you're complaining about things that just on

451
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: the day to day don't seem correct, right, and then

452
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: you start to get demoted, yes, and you feel like

453
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,000
Speaker 1: it's personal and you feel like it's related.

454
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 3: It's personal.

455
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's different, Okay, so that's where you're So.

456
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: I feel like I was on the front line. And

457
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 2: when I say, I was on the front line.

458
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 1: But you also always kept it one hundred.

459
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 3: I was like, right, I am like.

460
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: I felt like the leader for the girls, so they

461
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 2: will all get together. For years, we were all on

462
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: the same text message. We had a housewife Georgia.

463
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,440
Speaker 1: Peach text message without Kim.

464
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 2: Without Kim okay, and everybody would come in in the thing,

465
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 2: and I felt like, Okay, if this is an issue,

466
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: I'll be the one to call and tell them. And

467
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 2: I would always be the one to call and tell them,

468
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 2: and thinking me, I'm just thinking, the girls are gonna

469
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 2: support me when I make these complaints for them, But

470
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 2: there were times when they didn't support me. But you

471
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,479
Speaker 2: guys know you made the complaints. I mean, like I

472
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: had your text messages.

473
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: Have they validated any of your feelings, your experience, or

474
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: any of us or have they just in text messages

475
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: they have they have, so I remember, I think you

476
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: were there. I think that the Housewives franchise went from

477
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 1: the Old Guard to the New Guard and changed. For me,

478
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: it was the Andy Cohen baby shower. And it's gonna

479
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: sound crazy, but I was invited by Kyle and Okyle

480
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: hosted it. Maybe was it you? And two girls did

481
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: it with her? Yeah, me and Kyle and one other girl,

482
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: VICKI something like, okay, so.

483
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 3: I'll pay like five grand or something.

484
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: So yes, he is show exactly. So Kyle invites me

485
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: and which is very nice, and I'm in La and

486
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing an appearance. But I could have made it,

487
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: and I didn't want to go because my feeling was

488
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 1: that it was going to be like a dog and

489
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: pony show, everybody trying to kiss the ring and trying

490
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: to like, you know, Andy's the Dawn, Andy's the Charlie

491
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: and all the angels are going to come in. And

492
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: what I really did hear from the feedback and what

493
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: I saw from the media that it was like the

494
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: old Girl, the older girls, the originals were like there

495
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: and sort of part of it, but they were a

496
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 1: little older. They were like seniors and the new girl

497
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: all you know, they were like seniors, and the new

498
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: girls were all sort of like in the background, wanting

499
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: to be at the cool table, the cafeteria table, and

500
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills was now wasn't the peach, and it wasn't

501
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: the apple. Beverly Hills was now like the shining diamond,

502
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: and they were like up on the table getting all

503
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: the attention, get up and dance, and like he was.

504
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: They were the favorites then, and it just felt like

505
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: everybody was trying to get the most pressed, the most attention,

506
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: the most be Andy's favorite, And it kind of represented

507
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: the whole experience for me, which is like you're the

508
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: most popular if you get asked on watch what Happens Live,

509
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: or you sit in the seat, or you sit next

510
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: to Andy, or you sit there, and it feels like

511
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: the whole chessboard has always been sort of played and

512
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 1: operated to make us all think that about each other

513
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: and wonder it's like that one event represented the whole thing,

514
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: because no one needs a baby shower to be people

515
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: wasted for five days hungover dancing on table, Like but

516
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: do you see where I'm coming from at all? I

517
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: do understand what you saying, Like some girls feel like

518
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: they're the losers at the loser table, I mean, and

519
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: they want to get his attention and hopefully he'll notice them.

520
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it's.

521
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: Like, Yeah myself, you know what I mean.

522
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,959
Speaker 1: So were you close with Andy? Do you consider him

523
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: to be a good friend of yours? No, you say

524
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: that now or you always do that.

525
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: My good friends, I go to their house or I

526
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: visit their home at some point. So I never visited

527
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: his home, so I would have to say no. I

528
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: don't feel like we were good friends. I feel like

529
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: we were colleagues. Probably a little bit more than that,

530
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: because I could call him on his sale. I have

531
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: gone out with him out on the town, and I've

532
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: gone drinking with him, and I've partied with him, and so.

533
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit more than colleagues.

534
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: But the whole way, you kind of knew where it stood,

535
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: you feel like from the beginning, because it's not right.

536
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 2: I did not know where it stood.

537
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: I not know.

538
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: It's where did you think it stood? And where do

539
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 1: you think it stands?

540
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: Up? I thought we had a good relationship. I thought

541
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 2: we had a good relationship.

542
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: And why don't you think like he do you feel

543
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: like he has the power and he's in control of

544
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: the things that you were bringing to Bravo. Or he's

545
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: just a pawn in the whole machine, like what part

546
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: does he play? Or you can't play stupid and smart.

547
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: You can't be the boss and then play dumb, Like

548
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: where do you think he fits in the whole thing?

549
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: He fits in at the top.

550
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: He fits in at the top, and.

551
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: He is.

552
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Like you said maybe, like I don't know. He's at

553
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: the top, and he is moving everybody around on the board.

554
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: It's almost like a a real game.

555
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: It's like a real game. Yeah, And because there are

556
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: always questions who texts you the most, who do you

557
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: text the most? And there, and the thing is we're

558
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: all in the game because I remember one year I

559
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: was off the Housewives and then I went to his

560
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 1: house for his Christmas party and it was like all

561
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: these famous people there and I felt special. And then

562
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting next to him at this reunion

563
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: and now I feel special. And it reminds me of

564
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: like probably you with your parents as your real parents

565
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: as a kid, and me with mine, like wanting you

566
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: want we all want his approval, we all want to

567
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: be the favorite, We want his approval. We want to

568
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: be able to say, oh, well, you even have said something.

569
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: I've been on that show the most about watch Rebam's life.

570
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: It's like a calling card. And so his.

571
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: Staying why I was on there at most? Now, I

572
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: at that time I didn't totally get it one hundred,

573
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: But well.

574
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean you rated? Why do you think

575
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: you were on the most the help of the show

576
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: because you were rating? Yeah, you're reading, but why else

577
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: would you We have but that, But you're saying it

578
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: wasn't because you were friends. It's because you're You're a

579
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: piece on the board, and you're a valuable piece, very valuable, right,

580
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And so I think there was

581
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: there's a psychology that goes on with this group and

582
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: this show. And he's an executive. He used to be

583
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: an executive, and he's a producer, which is like a

584
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: power position, but then you're this sort of talent executive anymore.

585
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: He's not an executive for you. He used to be

586
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: an executive at Bravo, a development executive, and then like

587
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: a VP, and then because he was on the show,

588
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: as with his own show, he became talent. But still

589
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: is an executive producer of different shows. But that's still

590
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: in like a supervising position, and so it's tricky because

591
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: he's not quote unquote technically producing vander Pump rules, so

592
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: he can't be held accountable to the standard of producing

593
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: that reunion. But he's the person who's the talent saying

594
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: all these things to Raquel, but like under the shield

595
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: of like it's the show, like he's almost like a puppet,

596
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: like just reading these words. When he's a human being,

597
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: he knows what he's saying. But then over here he's

598
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: a producer that gets to choose who's on and who's off,

599
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: and it gets to be you can't play stupid and

600
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: smart like you're in a power position and you have

601
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: a lot of power were there because you report directly

602
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: to Francis, who makes all the decisions. So you can't write,

603
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, and I, you know, people will wonder why

604
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: people like you and I would fuck this thing up,

605
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: would would would would bite the hand that feeds us,

606
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: would mess up the apple and peach cart, like even

607
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: me more than you, I wasn't getting demoted. I could

608
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: have gone back any time for millions of dollars, and I,

609
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, mess and I fucking fucked up the whole

610
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: cart when I was. I mean, you thought I was

611
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: the favorite. I thought you were the favorite. We talked.

612
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, we talked about this. I thought

613
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: you said that you thought I was his favorite.

614
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I did think that you were his favorite at

615
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 2: some point. I don't know when that point actually became.

616
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: I thought you were his favorite, but at times it

617
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: didn't feel like it. Sorry, but then it looked like it,

618
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: But then sometimes it didn't feel like it.

619
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: You meaning the public is thinking that I'm his favorite,

620
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: but the way he's speaking privately is not. Likewise, That's

621
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Likewise, And I know, I've known, and

622
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: I've known how he feels about different people at different times,

623
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. Again, it's back to

624
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: the reality reckoning, which we're now going to get into

625
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: for me. And of course I bit the hand that

626
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: fed me. And now it's so convenient that I'm talking

627
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: about this and all that. But I left. I left twice.

628
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: There's no confusion all the receipts. I left twice at

629
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Top Dollar, and I didn't bring this whole thing up

630
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: because I wanted to do a show. I walked away

631
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: from my show, and you can. I have the receipts

632
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: for that too. I walked away from the show that

633
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: I was going to do because I didn't want to

634
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: get into business with that production company and I didn't

635
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: want to go into this sphere and I didn't want

636
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: it to be like Housewives, And there was no big

637
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: plan for the reality reckoning. I was just thinking about

638
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: the reunion and the strike and I thought, what the hell?

639
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: And one day I woke up and said to myself,

640
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: I go to Australia and no one told me that.

641
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: There's my entire body, just me on the back of

642
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: a bus. And I'm excited by that. But I shouldn't

643
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: be excited bout that because they're promoting a show on

644
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: Hey You Australia that Scott episodes in me from fifteen

645
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: years ago that I made two hundred and fifty hours

646
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: for a whole season. So in real time, I just

647
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: said something and it exploded it and it got a

648
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of pickup, and then I started to think about

649
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: all of it. And the truth is I never burned

650
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: the house down because I thought maybe i'd go back

651
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: into the house like and I don't mean burn the

652
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: house down by a reckoning because I didn't even think

653
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I think this whole time, I

654
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: thought that Andy and I were kind of really friends

655
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: because we text back and forth, but we don't really

656
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I've been to his house once for a Christmas party

657
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: ten years ago. We're not really every time we're together,

658
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: we're only talking about the housewives? Am I coming on?

659
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: Am I going off? Is that person getting fired? Is

660
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: that person coming on? Like? We're not really you know

661
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: what your real friends are like. So now I'm in

662
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: this hybrid world where I think we kind of really

663
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: don't like each other, but we're both playing this game,

664
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: and yet when things are happening for me, he's not

665
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: really congratulating me, and like, I feel like he has

666
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: some sort of resentment, you know, because I'm supposed to

667
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: be beneath him because we both came up at the

668
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: same time. He was just he was barely a host

669
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: and he was working at Bravo and we came up

670
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I'm thinking, I don't think

671
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: he likes me at all. I think we've both been

672
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: playing this game for all this time, and one day

673
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I decided to just not be afraid and open my

674
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: fucking mouth because the only person I was protecting and

675
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: that whole realm was him, and he hasn't been protecting me.

676
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, here's me you're lookie for yes, girl, Hello,

677
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: that's like you've been sleep this whole time?

678
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 3: Hello? Hello?

679
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: Did I just like crack up in like a fucking pinata?

680
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Just no?

681
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: No no. I feel like, well, no, no, you didn't.

682
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: You didn't go one was about eighty just now yeah,

683
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: And I think that Yeah, No, I think I think

684
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: that everybody that's in this position. I think at one

685
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: point you feel or you think like am I his favorite?

686
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: Am I not?

687
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: I kind of feel the same way you do. I

688
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: don't think he ever liked me.

689
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: Like down deep inside you were playing the game. You

690
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: were both two people that it's a dance like I

691
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: got invited on Hey yay, and it's so funny and

692
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: every time you're there, it's like, oh my god, I

693
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: saw what you just did and brings it and everyone's excited.

694
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: But the last time I went on that show, I

695
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: was with my daughter and we're so used to that

696
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: environment being he's always protected. Somehow, he's asking these questions

697
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: like who's the ugliest housewife? And you're like, let me think,

698
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: like a question that bad, like who's the worst mother?

699
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Like questions that are so problematic, asking Jill Zarren's mother, uh,

700
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: asking her is this good for the Jews or bad

701
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: for the Jews? Then mentioning Ron Jeremy like two ook' seventy,

702
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: like all these things that somehow he's like always protected

703
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: and we're always fucking skinned, alive with tabasco sauce all

704
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: over us, naked. Because I say the thing about the other,

705
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: who do you think is the bitchest housewife or most

706
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 1: dramatic Nini two weeks oppress, Bethany says Nan, he's the

707
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: most dramatic. You two weeks of press say Bethany's Bethany's

708
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: a bitch. Like we're out there and we get thrown

709
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: like pieces of meat to just get ripped apart by

710
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: that vehicle that we kissed the ass to get on

711
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: and get excited that we're on and we're there and

712
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: we're like, oh my god, yay, and we all play

713
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: the goddamn fucking game and we get decked out because

714
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: we're using him like he's using us because we want

715
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: to promote our shit and get dressed out and get

716
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the whatever, but it all just seems so gross and

717
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: we're all such pawns because of the fame and the money.

718
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: And when I had enough money and enough fame and

719
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: nobody had anything that I wanted and I knew by

720
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: the last shred, I let it all hang out because

721
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: it was like, I'm not fucking going back and I'm

722
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: not doing this other show. I've been a I've been

723
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: hanging on. I've been there, and like I'm not doing it.

724
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: Well, See, you're, first of all, you're in a position

725
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: where you can feel that way and say all those things.

726
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 2: That's one thing. Financially and skin color. There are things

727
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: that you can say that I can't say. There are

728
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: things that you can actually do on this show that

729
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: I can't do on this show.

730
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: And that's just a fact.

731
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: As you just said, Candy told you that you know,

732
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: everything that we do is sort of like elevated, and

733
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: it's the truth. Everything we do is much more elevated.

734
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: You can say all those things of whatever you want

735
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: to say to me, and I can't say the same.

736
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: My treatment is one hundred percent different on the show

737
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: than yours.

738
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: Do you mean?

739
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: On the Housewives? On The Housewives got it.

740
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: But but now in a post housewives world, you chose

741
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: to leave, and you know that all these other housewives

742
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: have gotten asked back, they've come back, they've come in,

743
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: they've come out. You chose to leave.

744
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: I chose to leave for a lot of reasons.

745
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: Okay, because I want to And then you chose to

746
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: burn the house down. And I'll explain when I to

747
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: try to work.

748
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: Think I burned the house down? Did I burn it down?

749
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Well, we'll talk about you burnt the bridge attached to

750
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, from between you and the house, there

751
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: was a bridge because because you took legal action. Okay,

752
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: So when I read in the headlines, I don't think

753
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: anyone knows your story, so I would like to hear it.

754
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: Well, first I want to say this. I just wanted

755
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: to get your language so I can understand what you say.

756
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: You say you burned the house. That that means you

757
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: burn the bridge. That So when I think that you're

758
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: burning a bridge while you were there, When I think

759
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: that someone is burning a bridge, you're burning the bridge

760
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: because this person's done nice things for you and to you,

761
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: and then you just decide to burn the That's how I.

762
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: No, that would be like not taking the olive branch.

763
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, whatever bridge, literal bridge, is a bridge between

764
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: them and you. And even if you don't like them,

765
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: even if you were discriminated against, you might want to

766
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: walk back on that fucking bridge and go back in, just.

767
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: Like you might want to, but you also might not

768
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: want to be continuously abused. I didn't just just wake

769
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: up one day and just say I'm going to file

770
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: a complaint again. I felt like I worked there long enough,

771
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: and just as I respect them, I thought they respect

772
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: me and they would have wanted to come to a

773
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: table and sit and talk with me about the issues

774
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: to talk. When I say they, I mean the executives

775
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: who are in control on both sides, on the network

776
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: side and the productions.

777
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so there were issues.

778
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: I never was the talent that just decided, oh this

779
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: is my last season, I have all these issues. No,

780
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: I had my issues and row emails and text message,

781
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: and I have receipts.

782
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: I am black. We keep receipts. That's all we can do.

783
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So I have my receipts of my complaints and

784
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: the things I felt that should change. I asked, why

785
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: is this happening to me? I would like for this

786
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 2: to change. Can this not happen to me any longer?

787
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Can I do this? I asked all those questions, okay,

788
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: and again I always felt like if I did one

789
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: little thing, it was elevated. Yet all the white house wise,

790
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: you white girls can do anything, and it was never

791
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: You guys never got the same treatment. You just don't

792
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: get the same treatment. Now, you guys might complain, you

793
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: might walk off the show. If I walk off the show,

794
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: it's the whole world has blown off.

795
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 3: She walked off the show.

796
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: When you got white girls walking off the show, running

797
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: off the show, crime, flipping tables, pulling hair, blessing glasses,

798
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: cursing people out, all kinds of stuff.

799
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 3: And if I just do one little thing, my treatment

800
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: is totally different.

801
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: Interesting, And you mean from the show or the court

802
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: of public opinion, because they can't control it from the

803
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: show and the quarter like they're not protecting you. Something happens,

804
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: and the press you, but they don't protake me. So

805
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: we're in this gray area where it's not an actual workplace.

806
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: And the reason that you don't get real answers is

807
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: because in a normal if you were working in a

808
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: normal company and Jane down the hall drank eight bottles

809
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: of vodka. Uh, the HR would be called. And if

810
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: if if you were in a normal workplace and someone

811
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: treated you a certain way and you file the complaint,

812
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: HR would be called. But there is no real HR

813
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: because it's not really a workplace. But we have to

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: show up on time and we have to work. So

815
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: we're in this purgatory gray area where nothing's real. And

816
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: now that's what the reckoning is really about, because people

817
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: have to be accountable, right so okay, So so now

818
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: so you leave, you file the complaint and that's when.

819
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: And that's where I want to come into. I don't

820
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: know exactly what it's said. What is it that you wanted?

821
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that I won't say.

822
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: I'll hear, okay, or what you want because you're still

823
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: in it, you're still in it.

824
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: I want fair treatment. I want to be treated equal.

825
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: But how can you be treated equal now when you're

826
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: not working with them? Like? What would you do? What

827
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: do you want? What? What could be done now?

828
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: Now? No, because I wasn't getting fair treatment.

829
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: You want to men for not getting fair and I

830
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: was not treated okay? And do you how do you

831
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: feel about the way it's going to go down. Do

832
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: you think you're going to get what you want?

833
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

834
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Do you feel stronger in this reckoning? I don't want anything,

835
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: but if it were you, you would get what you want. Okay,

836
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: you probably would not have even had to file a complaint. Interesting,

837
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: they probably would have come and sat and talked with you.

838
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: If you were just asking to talk and let's figure

839
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: this out. Let's work this out. They probably would have

840
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: sat and taught with you. Do you feel stronger since

841
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: the media has shifted recently, and since there's a wave,

842
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: and since since this reality reckoning? Do you feel a

843
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: little bit less alone?

844
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: Hmmm?

845
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 3: I still feel very long I'm gonna.

846
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: Say so you've said to me. So now let's enter

847
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: into like Now, keep in mind, I'm only reading headlines.

848
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm seeing clips. I don't know what's gone on from

849
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: my perspective. And also I was still friends with the network.

850
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: And my perspective is Nini's suing Bravo and the production

851
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: company for discrimination and other things. And that's kind of

852
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: what I heard. Like there was that you were suing

853
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: and you were public about it, and it was a big,

854
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: big thing. Okay, so's we don't speak that often. I'm

855
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: watching you on the media. I have no idea how

856
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: long later I reach out to you. But in my

857
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: own life, I am thinking, I've always thought that you're

858
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: very entertaining, and I think you and I would be

859
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: amazing together. So I have this idea. Paul and I

860
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: were always talking about ideas. It was Paul's idea to

861
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: have Jill on. He said you should have Jill to

862
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: talk about the New Housewives, and I said, oh god,

863
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: I just want to have a reunion with her. And

864
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: then that's how that happened. And so we were just

865
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: talking and I was like, he always was like, you

866
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: want to do something with Nani, And I said, I

867
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: think Nannie and I should do a show called Ebony

868
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: and Ivory where we get in an RV and go

869
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: across the country from each of our perspectives. I call

870
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: two production companies that had relationships with Bravo, cause again

871
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that much about your case. I call

872
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: them because they've been wanting to do a bunch of

873
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: projects with me, and I never want to do anything,

874
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: but you know, I've reached out to you a million

875
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: times and they say, we can't and I even have

876
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: one of them call you. Remember I say, can you

877
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: call her? I was like, They're like, we can't. We

878
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: can't touch it. We can't touch it. We can't touch

879
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: it she's doing. I call an agency. We can't touch it.

880
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: And I call you. And and because you said to

881
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: me on the phone, every time you call me, nothing

882
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: ever happens. And I didn't want to. I didn't want

883
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: to hurt your feelings, but I said, the reason is

884
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: when I call you, it's because someone else told me

885
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: that it couldn't happen. Like I call you getting excited.

886
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: You say, I'm excited too. I then talk to someone

887
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: else and they shut it down because of the legal action.

888
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: That was my perspective. I don't know if it's true

889
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: not true, And I just reported it back to you.

890
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: So since all of this have come forward with complaints

891
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 2: and things like that, I have been severely retaliated against.

892
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: And have you been retaliated against since you came out

893
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: with your reality reckoning?

894
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I believe so. I believe I've burned many bridges. Yeah,

895
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I do not believe I would be doing anything with

896
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: Bravo and I haven't been.

897
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: Well, that's fine if you don't. Yeah, you're not doing

898
00:41:58,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: anything with Bravo.

899
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: But I don't feel like I should be retaliated against

900
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: to the point of me not being able to work

901
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: at all.

902
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh No, Also, I'm just in the beginning. Just know

903
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: that two different people in production, as I told you,

904
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: said to me, I can't work for you. I will

905
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: never work in TV again if I work for you.

906
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: And three house swaps No, three Bravo talent that have

907
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: been violated and will have a story to tell have

908
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: reached out to me wanting to talk and they've been blocked.

909
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: So I'm okay, I have you know, but I'm saying

910
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: there's an effect to my actions.

911
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: WHOA for me, I've not been able to work at all,

912
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: But so.

913
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: The moment arena of entertainment, any arena of entertainment, I

914
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: was not able to work from that point of me

915
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: closing my computer leaving the reunion, I don't I did

916
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: not work again until last year.

917
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: What if it's that you are litigious because people don't

918
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: want if someone sued somebody personally, they don't want to

919
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: touch that. How could Bravo is not gonna call ABC

920
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: and say don't work with obviously called a b C

921
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: and E f G. But ABC doesn't listen to Bravo,

922
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: who's they have?

923
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: And because there are listen. I'm a talent and I

924
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: am talented. I am not just a reality star. I

925
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: am an entertainer. Okay, I seen dance, act anti reality Okay.

926
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: I as a black woman, I have to be able

927
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: to do everything. At the end of the day, I

928
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: turned cart wheels and do flips like I do everything.

929
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: There's no.

930
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you that they shut my work down.

931
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 2: I do everything. So you mean to tell me, as

932
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: a talented person that there was nothing for me to host.

933
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: There was nothing for me to to act in, singing, dancing,

934
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: jump in, clap in nothing, the same thing, same thing

935
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: I'm saying to you. There's there was they the doors

936
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 2: were closed, the doors were not open. And then, in fact,

937
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: a friend of mine told me Andy wrote a book

938
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: and he said the door was closed. So apparently when

939
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: he says the door has closed, the door is closed

940
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: all over the entire industry because I did not work.

941
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Now that's a fact. Now we're talking about somebody that

942
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: is talented. I'm not holding it on anybody, but I'm

943
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 2: telling you that when it happened. I have been retaliated against.

944
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 2: Now you just don't go from working today and never

945
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: working again, like something happens, something.

946
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: I agree I don't like.

947
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: You can't just be like, okay, so you have.

948
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: But your agents are the most powerful people in the

949
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. What have they said? What is CIA say

950
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: to you when you say why am I not working?

951
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Give me the fucking truth? What do they say?

952
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: Nothing?

953
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not crazy, neither.

954
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: You.

955
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you that if you were working

956
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: today and suddenly all the doors just closed all across

957
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: the entire industry because you had a disagreement with maybe

958
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: this company that you're working for, But maybe you don't

959
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: have to work with that company anymore. There are so

960
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: many other companies out here to work for. There were

961
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: all kinds of narratives put out there, like I was

962
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: a difficult talent and all these things. I've never ever

963
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: worked on a set where I've been difficult. Ever I've

964
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: heard it. Now, there's a lot of sets that both

965
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: any set I work on, I come happy and I

966
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: don't need anything but my money and some water every

967
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: now and then. But let me tell you something, I

968
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 2: don't need anything. I come happy and I'm ready to work.

969
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: I'm a worker Bee, I liked you you. Yeah, I've

970
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: enjoying working. So I've never had an issue on any

971
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: set I've ever worked on. So it is not by

972
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: chance that I have a disagreement with this company and

973
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: every door across the industry decides to close, it is

974
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: something wrong with that. But you, Bethany or some of

975
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: your other the other girls, they can have an issue

976
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: with this company and they may not work with them

977
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: for a little while, but they always get to come

978
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: back and work.

979
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: Well. Is a self generated this is mine.

980
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 2: You're different at this point. But there's so many examples.

981
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: Let me just say when I let me just use

982
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: my closing the computer as an example. So I closed

983
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: the computer as an exam because we were doing our

984
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: reunion show.

985
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I closed the computer.

986
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: We were doing our reunion show from home because of

987
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: CO so we were all on computer at the time.

988
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: I think we were the only franchise that did that.

989
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: And I closed my computer as in I walked off

990
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: of the reunion how long ago? Twenty nineteen four years ago? Okay,

991
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: So I closed my reunion and I walk off of

992
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: the I'm saying, I closed my computer and I walk

993
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: off of the show.

994
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: The treatment is just different.

995
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: Lisa, is it vander Lisa vander pomp on her show

996
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: she walked off?

997
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Did I mean she didn't even walk off. I don't

998
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: think she ever came.

999
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: She never came to the reunion, and they are still

1000
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: working with her today. Kim Zosiak walks off of our

1001
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 2: entire show and walk right into her own reality show.

1002
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: I just don't get I didn't get that same treatment

1003
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: everything anything I was always retaliated against or something happened

1004
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: to feel like, of course severely punished. What's happening to

1005
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: me right now? With these doors closing everywhere, you would

1006
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: think that I have drugged, raped, stabbed cut somebody. I mean,

1007
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm getting the treatment like I was freaking r Kelly

1008
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: or Bill Cotton.

1009
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 3: Yes, there was a point.

1010
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: As of late, I have been getting little opportunity these

1011
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: here and there. But the I did an endorsement deal

1012
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: recently last season, I did a reality show, so I've

1013
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: gotten little small things to come in. But this just

1014
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. It's almost like they're trying to send the message,

1015
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: if you are being abused, you better not.

1016
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 3: Fucking speak up. So it's almost like this is why.

1017
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: The union is much needed, what you're fighting for, it's

1018
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: much needed because if I'm being abused, I don't have

1019
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: the right to say something. I can't come to you

1020
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: and tell you that something's happening to me. And if

1021
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: I do tell you something's happening to me, do that

1022
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 2: means I don't ever get to work again. Why I'm

1023
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: a woman, you're a woman. I'm a black woman. But

1024
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 2: we feel the same, you know, we beleeve the same.

1025
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: I have feelings. I'm not feeling less. I mean I

1026
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: have feelings. I still have a family. You have a family.

1027
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: You're able to feed your family and provide for them.

1028
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: Why can't I feed and provide for mine? Because me

1029
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: and this company disagree. I don't know what the hell

1030
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 2: are we disagreeing on, but whatever I disagreements are, why

1031
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: can't I just go on and work somewhere else? Why

1032
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: do you need to put out a narrative like that

1033
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: to make my life miserable? Why can't I feed my kids?

1034
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: Why are all the white women able to do whatever

1035
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: they do? You know, I'll give you an example. I

1036
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: just thought of something I remember VICKI Gunsvelin saying that

1037
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: she had an issue. I can't remember everything now. I

1038
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: remember there was something. I think somebody pretended like they

1039
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: had cancer. Maybe the girls were after them about that.

1040
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 2: And then she ended up being like off the show.

1041
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: And then I think she was supposed to be on

1042
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: the first season of the new show that they do

1043
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: called Girl's Trip, and she was mad with Andy and

1044
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: Bravo about the contract they gave us. Something happened with

1045
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: their falling out because she had fallen out with them,

1046
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: and she spoke to an attorney. And I know that

1047
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: for a fact because I was on the call when

1048
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: she spoke to the attorney about them, thinking that she

1049
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: wanted to file a lawsuit against them. I don't know

1050
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: what happened. She went through this whole process with the attorney.

1051
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: I don't know how far they gotten.

1052
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: I know that he.

1053
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 2: Probably had some calls with Bravo whatever. Vicky is back

1054
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: on the show working. My situation is not the same.

1055
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: I can talk to an attorney or have an issue,

1056
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: which I did. My attorneys. We're talking to them in

1057
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: the beginning, wanting to sit down and let's figure something out.

1058
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: Let's work this out, whatever this issue is, and They

1059
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: never wanted to sit down and talk to me about

1060
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: anything my feelings were.

1061
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: They pretty much said, if that.

1062
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: The black bitch period, because they completely But all these

1063
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: other people like Vicky who's talking to an attorney that

1064
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: the world didn't know this, but we know this behind

1065
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: the scenes. She was speaking to an attorney and was

1066
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: upset with them about this cancer thing and some contract

1067
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 2: for the girl's trip. But Vickie is back over there

1068
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: working and everything is fine. Lisa van der Pump walk

1069
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: off the show never returned. She still got band department.

1070
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: She can still sit over there and talk to him

1071
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: all day long if she want to. Teresa can go

1072
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: to prison and stay for ten years, and they'll wait

1073
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: till she get back and then the show will start again. Okay,

1074
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: but the black girls do not get that same treatment.

1075
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now. Our treatment is different.

1076
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

1077
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: You guys go on fabulous trips. We ride on a

1078
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: sprint of bus. That's just how it is. Our treatment

1079
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: is different. You were the highest paid, weren't you. Then

1080
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: you say you made more money than anybody? I think, so,

1081
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: what is that?

1082
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1083
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: What?

1084
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: What kind of number was it?

1085
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: Tell me later, I'll tell you it was a big number.

1086
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: He's a big number. Well, it was several million dollars

1087
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: for four months work?

1088
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: You think so for I?

1089
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, But I think you were sat

1090
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: several months of work.

1091
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: No, for the shooting season, for the shooting seth. But

1092
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: I think but you, guys, I think you were with

1093
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 1: your what your per episode was you were coming back?

1094
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was close. It wasn't the same.

1095
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: I think it. I think I have an idea.

1096
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: But I think I didn't get several millions of dollars.

1097
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: Well, no, not for six not for six episodes. You

1098
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't know if you not for a full season. Not

1099
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: more than a million of dollars for a full season.

1100
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got way more than a million dollars

1101
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: for a full of season, right yeah, okay, but you

1102
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: say several well more than one. Well I got more

1103
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: than one, right, Okay. So I'm saying I think we

1104
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: were in a similar position. I think we were in

1105
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: a similar ps I do. I think we're in a

1106
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: similar position. I think, But also it's different. That's different.

1107
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I left for years and they wanted me back, like

1108
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: and that's another problem with the whole thing is that

1109
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: the numbers are all over the place and everybody's contracts

1110
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: are different, and it's I really.

1111
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: Don't care what anybody's making, Like, I really don't care

1112
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: what you make and what the next person makes, as

1113
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: long as I'm happy with what I'm making.

1114
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: No exactly how No, that's fine. But what do you

1115
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: do you regret? What? What would you do differently now?

1116
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: So you leave the show? You get the six episodes

1117
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: paint reversed, and tell me what you would do differently

1118
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: about what now that you're not working? Would you not

1119
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: have done it? Would you have been part of the

1120
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't.

1121
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 3: Feel that way. I feel like listen, I mean again,

1122
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm a human. I have feelings. I mean, I can't

1123
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 3: you how long do you treat a person fucked up.

1124
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: So you're standing by that you may even know how

1125
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: hard this is. I mean, I have to good can

1126
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: I do?

1127
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: At this point?

1128
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying many people had said I would have gone back,

1129
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: I would have worked for four years. I mean, how

1130
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: is it affected?

1131
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 2: I just I don't know that I can say that.

1132
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: I know that I know that I don't deserve to

1133
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: be in this position that.

1134
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm in, right, But I think it's very admirable that

1135
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: you're standing in it, even knowing that you have a

1136
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: different situation.

1137
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: I feel like I have another choice. I mean, because

1138
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 2: I don't think that they didn't give me any choices.

1139
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: They've never wanted to sit down and talk to me.

1140
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: No one at that company has ever called me and said,

1141
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: what is happening?

1142
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll call you now, what's going on?

1143
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 3: Why can't we?

1144
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll call you why can't we?

1145
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 3: Though I've asked them myself.

1146
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: You never know this is going to have This is

1147
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: going to be a very I feel that this is

1148
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: going to be an impactful interview. And let's see, the

1149
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: last week they sent a letter out saying they were

1150
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: going to try to change practice. Is bravo. Maybe you'll

1151
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: call Nini and at least men de fact listen, everybody

1152
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: can change.

1153
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: I think everybody can change. I want you to know that,

1154
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: first of all, that you're doing a great thing. And

1155
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 2: so we said that we were going to talk about

1156
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: the black and white treatment. Reason the reason why we're

1157
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: talking about it. What you're doing is great. At the

1158
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: end of the day, as long as a voice is heard,

1159
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: that is all that matters, and that we get what

1160
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: we're trying to get out of the situation. Okay, So

1161
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: if it takes you to go and do it, you

1162
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: go and do it. I'm right here for you. I'm

1163
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: behind you, I'm supporting you. I couldn't do it, but

1164
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 2: you can do it. And even though maybe my voice

1165
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 2: wasn't heard by them, but trust me, my voice was.

1166
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 3: Heard by many people. Many people heard my voice.

1167
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Yes, but I don't think that forward their message. I

1168
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: don't think the problem is doing all these short shows

1169
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: and interviews. You'd say, one quick thing. It's a clip.

1170
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: It's not a conversation. It's not like understanding, like the

1171
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: bottom line the Chris, I didn't know. The crystallization for

1172
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: me is that you felt that there was there was

1173
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: systemic discrimination, and even if it wasn't to the level

1174
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: that you thought it was, you felt you weren't being

1175
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: treated fairly, and you had a complaint with the company

1176
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: that you were working with that you were making a

1177
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of money for, so you felt that there was

1178
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: an equal treatment. You felt that you wanted to be

1179
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: talked to and with by the powers that be, and

1180
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: you felt that you were effectively and ignored and then

1181
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: subsequently demoted and then kind of pushed out, and you

1182
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: felt also like you started this thing, of course, I mean,

1183
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: and now you're an outsider everybody.

1184
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you have to be blind to not

1185
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: see that I started it. I mean, we're not crazy.

1186
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: I know everything that I did it was a lot,

1187
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: and I have them in many ways. They never respected me.

1188
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: No one to give me one call and say.

1189
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: You're telling me you never have had a phone call

1190
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: from anyone. Never.

1191
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: They never called me up and said, let's see what

1192
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: the hell is wrong with Nini. What the hell is

1193
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: she talking about over there? Let's talk to her.

1194
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: Now in the executives, not even the high as though. Interesting,

1195
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm shocked that after all of these years of you

1196
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: being this entertainer, this star talent, this rain maker for Bravo,

1197
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: that you never had an email, a phone call or

1198
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: a conversation. That's just absolutely shocking to me that it

1199
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: just went dark four years ago. I found that very

1200
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: difficult to believe. It would have been so much easier.

1201
00:56:58,719 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: Life is so much easier.

1202
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: We just have a do you think it would not

1203
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: it would have been so much easier.

1204
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, because no, it was just like me

1205
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: to say, what the hell are you talking about, because

1206
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: you know what I would say. Well, let's go you first,

1207
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: you get a call from Andy and Francis and your executive.

1208
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: What can we do? What would you like? What would

1209
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: you say?

1210
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: I would be like, Wow, you guys decided to call

1211
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: after like four years, I mean yeah, Like, so are

1212
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 2: we gonna do this over the phone?

1213
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: I am. I gonna come sit in your office and

1214
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 3: so I can look you dead in your eyes.

1215
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: So you come in the office and what what? How

1216
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: can we work this out? What can we do?

1217
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: First of all, the very first thing I want. I

1218
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: probably have a sign on my forehead that says fair treatment.

1219
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: I want fair treatment.

1220
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: But how can they treat you fairly? Now when you

1221
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: don't work there? What would you like now?

1222
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

1223
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: Well I don't work there. Now, I mean, would you.

1224
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: Like to work there? Would you like to on TV?

1225
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: I can't say that I would. I can't say that

1226
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 3: I would.

1227
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Well, you have to ask for what you want because

1228
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: the universe might bring it. So what is it that

1229
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: you want? You want what I want and I wouldn't

1230
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: say it here. You want some fair compensation for lost wages?

1231
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I assume.

1232
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 2: There's a lot I want. Okay, there's a lot you want,

1233
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: and I think that they can do it. And the

1234
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: first thing is, as I said before, it's fair treatment

1235
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: across the board, okay, and the things that are more

1236
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: important A union would be great, but I know those

1237
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: are the things that they can't just make happen overnight.

1238
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: But it would be great to have support in trying

1239
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: to get a union for a reality.

1240
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: Well that is no sag. After it has backed what

1241
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: we're doing and said that they are ready, you can

1242
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: call them. I can give you the hot top of

1243
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: the to the heap, give you the contact to get

1244
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: what you need. But I would say to Bravo if

1245
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: they called me, we're going to sit down and negotiate

1246
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: what should be in everyone's contracts moving forward. Here are

1247
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: some terms. Here's some boiler plate language that should be

1248
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: in everyone's contracts moving forward. And I did kind of

1249
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: lay out ten terms as a starting point to say,

1250
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: if a person comes in at this level, this is

1251
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: the minimum, and if they go on another season, and

1252
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: if the show gets picked up and you know, and

1253
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: and but there is a systemic problem. It's great that

1254
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: they said we're sorry that you know, we're gonna get

1255
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: people a psychologist and that we're gonna look at alcohol consumption.

1256
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: But what they need to be saying is the whole

1257
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: industry can't be exploiting our content on streamers that we

1258
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: never even knew would exists. I never knew, hey, you

1259
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: was going to Common, Amazon and Prime and sell. They

1260
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: had the Chicken ten thousand ways. I'm wings your broth

1261
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: were stuck. I mean, they've got this fucking thing from

1262
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: seven two hundred and fifty dollars fifteen years ago sold everywhere.

1263
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: And when people say you signed up for that, I didn't.

1264
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: I signed a contract. I thought were doing this show

1265
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: on this channel. I didn't know maybe an Australian different netw.

1266
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: I really agree with that the show is sold everywhere.

1267
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: You see it everywhere.

1268
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: What about the memes, Well, you talk about the gifts

1269
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: and the memes, about the two or dredre to tell

1270
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: them that.

1271
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the gifts and the memes are insane, and we

1272
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 2: don't make one dollar off of it, well not even

1273
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: a dollar, one penny. And I'm probably more mean than

1274
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: any housewife ever. My memes are everywhere, and some of

1275
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: the memes I don't like. Nobody gives up and.

1276
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: It kills you.

1277
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: You and I'm watching people with pictures and memes of

1278
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: my mouth opening, closing, eyes opening, closed, head turned around,

1279
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 2: and it's.

1280
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 3: Really fucked up, and you don't get one penny.

1281
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: And brother was still making money off of that, a.

1282
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: Ton of money.

1283
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: And the company that I think created the memes sold

1284
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 2: for four hundred million two I think Facebook or somebody.

1285
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: It was this company that makes these.

1286
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: Memes and it's their talent, and I don't get one product.

1287
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: The thing that's worse for me is my face. And Lord,

1288
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep saying black child, but my

1289
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: face is everywhere and ever rememe. I don't see your

1290
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: faces like that. It's my face, and they don't give

1291
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: me one penny for that. I know, and the episodes

1292
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 2: that I've been in and they have played a trillion

1293
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: times everywhere, and I don't get a penny for that.

1294
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. Well, I see you on TikTok

1295
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: everyone using your sounds. I've used them. I did it

1296
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: with my daughter. You're not getting paid for that, no, right,

1297
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: But no one's really acknowledging that it was Bravo's talent,

1298
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: Bravo's product. So they distributed it, they sold it, and

1299
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: so they're still making money off of that. So it's

1300
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: a big it's a big issue that will have to

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: get resolved because you're going to see your content. It

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: could be for one hundred years. But that is when

1303
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: we signed and we didn't know how many ways that

1304
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: they would sell it. It's a new world order. We

1305
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: didn't even know what's streaming, what there was. We had

1306
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: no Twitter when we started on the House, there was

1307
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: no Twitter. So what do you think of the state

1308
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Speaker 1: of the show today?

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Speaker 2: I think it is well at least. First of all,

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01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't watch the show. I watched the clips that

1311
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 2: come down Instagram, you know those clips, and I think

1312
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: Atlanta has changed a lot. Actually, they look like they

1313
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 2: are suffering. The girls don't look entertaining. They just don't

1314
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: look like housewives. I thought when we were on the

1315
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Speaker 2: show the women were more like higher just I mean,

1316
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Speaker 2: I don't know that. Everybody just look, it's boring. Not

1317
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: only is it boring that the women, who are they

1318
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: and where did they come from? And why are they

1319
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: sitting on this show?

1320
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Speaker 1: Do you think that that medium has died? I mean,

1321
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: is it a soap proper? Now? Is it days of

1322
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: our lives? Where it's not It's just tired now and

1323
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: it's on the way.

1324
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Speaker 3: So and I think, like you said, it's like a

1325
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 3: dinosaur now. No, it's just tragic, it's just old.

1326
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Speaker 1: Do you think that they choose people like you and

1327
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: I who had challenging upbringings and like wounded birds to

1328
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: come in and be in this medium because it creates

1329
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: drama and we're all a little fed up in some way,

1330
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: so we're going.

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Speaker 2: To I think they chose us in the beginning for whatever,

1332
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: for the reason was, but we became so big, became

1333
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: bigger than the show. And I think that they don't

1334
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: want women on the show who are big.

1335
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Speaker 3: If you notice to me, all.

1336
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: The women who are big and who are popular, they

1337
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: figure out how to get all them off the show.

1338
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: And they lead the girls who are boring in mediocre

1339
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: because they are not a threat and they're medioca just

1340
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: put it like that. But all the popular girls are

1341
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: the hot girls of the girls that everybody like, they

1342
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 2: push them off the show. You're too big and you're

1343
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: over shattering other people who would like to stand in

1344
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: the front.

1345
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: So what do you want to be when you grow up?

1346
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: What do you want to do now? If you could

1347
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: have any career, any gig. What would be the top

1348
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: three things you want to do? Now? What do you want?

1349
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 3: I'm an actress and.

1350
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Although I fell into reality kind of before my acting

1351
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: and Reality listen, it opened up a lot of doors

1352
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: for me. It was a great launching platform for me.

1353
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 2: But I'm an actress, so I would like to act

1354
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,959
Speaker 2: and that's what I do. I act and I talk

1355
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: and I sing and I dance, and so I would

1356
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: like to do those things.

1357
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Well, right now, that's on strike. So at least you're

1358
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: in the same boat as everybody else in that in

1359
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: that industry, so you can like map and chart your course.

1360
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: And are your agents working for you as an actress?

1361
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: Are they is that? What are they do? They think

1362
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to have a career as

1363
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: an actress?

1364
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 3: I hope, So I hope.

1365
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: I hope.

1366
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: That's why I'm with them, because they believe in me

1367
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 2: and in my talent. You're right, we are on strike

1368
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: right now, but hopefully.

1369
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: Because that feels like a good new chapter. It feels

1370
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: like at least you're not going back to reality. It's

1371
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: something new. So you got you know, you feel beaten down,

1372
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: you seem vulnerable, and you seem different.

1373
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 4: To me.

1374
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: You just you, and you were biting your nails off

1375
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: this week. You weren't sleeping. You you will sleep, but

1376
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: what what was? What were you so scared of? You?

1377
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: And I feel like you weren't. Do you think I

1378
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 1: was going to gotcha you?

1379
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 2: Or like, no, no, no, no, that's not it. That wasn't

1380
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 2: ever my fear, my thing is just a sitting here

1381
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: talking about all of this stuff.

1382
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: You know what? Other door is going to close now?

1383
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: Because you know for me, as I said, doors have

1384
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: closed for me at times. Now, I want to be

1385
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 2: clear that this last year or so, there have been

1386
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: opportunities to come to me, but prior to that, doors

1387
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: were closed.

1388
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that doors are going to close after today.

1389
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: I really don't.

1390
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 2: I hope not, because I don't understand why they would

1391
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: And why am I not able to work?

1392
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: Why all you want to do is work?

1393
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 3: All I want to do is work? Leave me alone?

1394
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: So you want to be an actress? What else? Do

1395
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: you want to do a podcast? Or you don't?

1396
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: Oh? I love talking.

1397
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: I love to do a podcast. I've always would love

1398
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: to do a talk show, but I've always I was

1399
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: always forbidden from doing a talk show. I could never

1400
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: do a talk show. Bravo, somebody I don't know. I

1401
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: could never do a talk show.

1402
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

1403
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: It meant that I could never do a talk show.

1404
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: You were someone told you could never do a talk show.

1405
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: I was never able to do a talk show or

1406
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 2: do a podcast. Whenever I was in talks to do

1407
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: a talk show or a podcast, it would disappear.

1408
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 3: After a while. We could be.

1409
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: Talking, talks could be going on really good, and then

1410
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden that opportunity would disappear. And that

1411
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: is not by chance.

1412
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: What mistakes have you made? What have been your biggest mistakes?

1413
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, my biggest mistakes. I have made mistakes as

1414
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:45,479
Speaker 2: a mother. You know, I think I'm a great mom,

1415
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: but I think I could have been even better mom.

1416
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: I think I've made some mistakes in that area. If

1417
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: you're talking about on the show.

1418
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: Career, in my life and your career, Like, what, mister,

1419
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: what in all these years you're going back, what do

1420
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: you regret? What would you do differently?

1421
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot of regrets in my life

1422
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: because for me, anything that I've ever done really wrong,

1423
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: it was always a learning experience for me. So I've

1424
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: never really chopped them up as like losses. Always was

1425
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: like learning things.

1426
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, if I could.

1427
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: I don't know about my career, but if I could

1428
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: do anything better, I would be a better mom.

1429
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: Is that because of the stuff going on with your son?

1430
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: A you're blaming yourself? Uh?

1431
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 2: No, I don't blame myself for it. I just I

1432
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: worked a lot, and sometimes I think about maybe if

1433
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 2: I was more. I've always been a worker in some

1434
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: kind of way. And even when my husband was sending

1435
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: me back and forth to Los Angeles to try to

1436
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 2: become an actor doing pilot season, I was leaving my

1437
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 2: son with my husband so that I could go and

1438
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 2: try to open up doors of opportunity, and I just,

1439
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, wish that I was maybe you know, I

1440
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: didn't work as much.

1441
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 1: Maybe are you connected with your kids now though.

1442
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: As always been connected? Yes?

1443
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: You have, so I'm saying you still are being a

1444
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: good mother. Yeah, you're able to.

1445
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mom in my life, so I

1446
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: always I just want to be the best mom because

1447
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: I know what it is to have a parent, and

1448
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: I didn't have my mom or father, my bilogical mom

1449
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: and father in my life.

1450
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 3: I had my aunt and uncle like my parents. But

1451
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: I just know what it means.

1452
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: So you're working on it now, like you're even more conniz.

1453
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And in my career, I just don't know if

1454
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: there's anything that I feel like I.

1455
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 3: Just really made a mistake doing. I just don't.

1456
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: Again, the reality thing was something that kind of fell

1457
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: in my lap. It wasn't anything that I was looking

1458
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: for and fell in my lap, and it was a

1459
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: good thing for me and it really opened up doors

1460
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 2: for me.

1461
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: Do you miss it?

1462
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 3: I can't say to that now housewives miss that?

1463
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: Like the beginning? Did you miss the day beginning?

1464
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: Otherwise it's stressful, I know. I mean it's a lot

1465
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: honest slang. I mean people don't know. Like people see

1466
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: me all the time and say, oh my gosh, well

1467
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 2: you have to go back on that show. We would

1468
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: really love to see you on there. It's stressful, honestly,

1469
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: and people look at you like you like it is

1470
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: really a lot. I felt like on the Being off

1471
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: the show, I feel like I'm a totally different person.

1472
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: Now off the show, I feel like I'm more like

1473
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 2: at ease and more relaxed. I feel like when I

1474
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: was on the show, people would say, you know, my

1475
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: husband could say, we're out of ketchup, and you're like catch,

1476
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 2: I mean, you're like just screaming about any and everything else. Yeah,

1477
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 2: because it's so stressful, and I missed the trips. I mean,

1478
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 2: you know, well I don't.

1479
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: It's funny because my entire stuff, everybody didn't see you

1480
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: the way that I've seen you after talking to you

1481
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: this week, seeming vulnerable, more a human, like you're larger

1482
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: than life and you're this character that's like a tough bitch.

1483
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: And that's what everybody thought was coming in, you know

1484
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. They all thought like, oh, I thought

1485
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: just that everything's good with you too, you know, like

1486
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: you're just so strong and hard, and I think that

1487
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 1: show and that medium makes us like that, like you've

1488
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: got to be I.

1489
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: Think people who really know me know like I'm really

1490
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: like cool, Like I'm really cool. I'm private, I'm in

1491
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: my own little circle. My circle is smaller people.

1492
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: You know.

1493
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: I guess I'm tough when I need to be tough.

1494
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,479
Speaker 3: But even in my.

1495
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: Relationship, you know, I don't wear the pants. I don't

1496
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 2: want to wear the pants, you know, I feel like

1497
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 2: I wear them every day.

1498
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: So you know, you're a girly girl. I am.

1499
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: I get with my dude.

1500
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: And he can handle everything, you know, the same thing

1501
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: when I was with Grant, you got it. I'm I'm

1502
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: all the ways submissive. I don't want to do anything.

1503
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: You can handle everything. And I just think it's just

1504
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: how people see you. And I also think that the

1505
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: show give people an idea like they think they know

1506
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: you that they really don't.

1507
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's what I'm getting at.

1508
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't know you, you know. I think that I'm

1509
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 2: really kind of chill. But I feel like if somebody,

1510
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: you know, they want to get it, like I feel

1511
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 2: like you can get it. Yeah, yeah, like I can't. Ye,

1512
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: But other than Dad, I feel like I'm just over

1513
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: here in a shell.

1514
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,480
Speaker 1: Well exactly, I get it. I don't. I think we're misunderstood.

1515
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: I think we're misunderstood. And it's been probably fifteen years

1516
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: and we're in our fifties now, So yeah, what do

1517
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: you think about age and vantage you feel old? Old?

1518
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: You're a grandmother three times over? Like yeah, do you

1519
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: feel like it all has to have meaning? Now? What

1520
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: are we doing with our lives? Like it's just it's different.

1521
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: Health is more important. You've lost someone like, what's your relationship?

1522
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, we just used to churn and burn and grind,

1523
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: and it's just different. Now.

1524
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 3: I feel like I am at my best.

1525
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: You do yes, because yea, I feel like I.

1526
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 3: Look my best. I'm at my best.

1527
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: I feel like fifty is the new fucking thirty five

1528
01:11:59,720 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 2: or something.

1529
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: Really, so you're happy. This is a turning.

1530
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, this is just I feel

1531
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: like fifty is good.

1532
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I feel like fifty is great and it's confident. I

1533
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's good and don't apologize.

1534
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: So many people that's fifty that looks eighty and I

1535
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: feel like I can look at the mirror. I still

1536
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 2: got my same Hello, I mean good morning, like I mean,

1537
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 2: I feel good about it, you know, I think I

1538
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: think I'm doing good and yeah, And I have my grandbabies.

1539
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: I love, love love them. I love them.

1540
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: They're so sweet.

1541
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 3: They're everything. I have a eleven, a ten and an.

1542
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: Eight and there your life, oh my god.

1543
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 2: And I have one girl. My girl is everything because

1544
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: I don't have a girl.

1545
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 3: I have boys. So I love my babies and my baby.

1546
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: You spoil them, of course.

1547
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 3: They can do anything they want to do.

1548
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: You feel money noise that you financially. Do you have

1549
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: financial anxiety because it's been a couple of years without working.

1550
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 3: I think it's natural too. Yeah, I think it's natural too.

1551
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: And I think that was done to me to say

1552
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,600
Speaker 2: you sit over there and you shut your ass.

1553
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: Up, and have you been more conservative and spending? Are

1554
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: you like just more?

1555
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: You know what, I was lucky and I was blessed

1556
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 2: to have invested in some things that was able to

1557
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 2: push me through. Had I not made some good investments,

1558
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: I would have been fucked up.

1559
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm really sorry. Wow yeah, wow, all right. Well

1560
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: finally your rose and thorn. The rose of your career

1561
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: and the thorn, and you could do your life too, but.

1562
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: My life, your career the roses. Honestly, you know, being

1563
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: a housewife was definitely a rose.

1564
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to like.

1565
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 2: Act as if it was like the worst time of

1566
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 2: my life. It actually was a great time when it

1567
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: came to me. It was a great opportunity for me,

1568
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: and the platform couldn't be it couldn't be any any greater,

1569
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, you know that. I mean, it put me

1570
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: into so many homes and so many offices, and it

1571
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: did so many things for me, so for that. There

1572
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: is definitely a rose there. You gotta know that it

1573
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: was a good thing for me.

1574
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 4: All right.

1575
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: Two things can be happening at the same time. You

1576
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: could have had a great experience and you were grateful

1577
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: for the experience, as they should be grateful to you

1578
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: because you provided for the experience too. But you can

1579
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 1: also want something different, and I I are you afraid

1580
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: that do you have this feeling? Because I do you

1581
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 1: know when like a parent may not be the best parent,

1582
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: but then you like want their approval and you feel

1583
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,799
Speaker 1: badly like do you have a little bit of fear

1584
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: about the andy part of it? Like? I do you do?

1585
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: Do you like you not? Like you bit the hand

1586
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: to care? What he care that he hates you or

1587
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: that he's mad at you? I feel Does that make

1588
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 1: you feel self conscious in a way? No?

1589
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: I actually feel.

1590
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 2: Sad for a person that doesn't have a forgiving heart.

1591
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: You know, I can be mad with you, but I'm

1592
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 2: not gonna be forever mad with you, Like I can't

1593
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 2: carry that grudge and that hatred in my heart forever.

1594
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, You're right, I do not know. I

1595
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: feel sad for a person that doesn't have a forgiving heart.

1596
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 2: I feel sad for a person that simply cannot just

1597
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 2: And I don't know that this is him or not, but.

1598
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about him.

1599
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: Feel that everything you're doing and saying.

1600
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can't take it back Like I wish,

1601
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: I wish I could say something different. I feel like,

1602
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is like this.

1603
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not easy to stand up for some thing. Yeah,

1604
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: really not. It's really hard. It's not easy to go

1605
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: against the green. I heard that three different women housewives

1606
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: were saying, none of this affects me because I'm a

1607
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: strong woman. So I handle myself. And it's because they're

1608
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: paid there, they're working there, and I, you know, and

1609
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: I kind of get it. But you got to stand

1610
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: together for what's correct, and it's not easy. It's very

1611
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: difficult to stand up for what's right.

1612
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't listen. I don't want any beef.

1613
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 1: He just wanted to be clean.

1614
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be clean.

1615
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 2: And I've also asked to even you know, I've tried

1616
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 2: to find a way for he and I to sit

1617
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 2: down and talk, but he's never wanted to do that.

1618
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: You've called him. I did call he won't take your

1619
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 1: phone call. He has not taken my phone call. And

1620
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: I've also spoken through our reps. So just see, you know,

1621
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 1: this is just to clear the air, you know, not

1622
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: for anything else, not to be a housewife, not to anything,

1623
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: just you know, just to just to understand him.

1624
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 3: And for him to understand me pretty much.

1625
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't see that happening.

1626
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,160
Speaker 3: Well, he's never wanted to do that, you know. And

1627
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:06,799
Speaker 3: that's okay.

1628
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 2: Though I'm not pressuring it or pushing it or anything.

1629
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody move when they're ready in their time,

1630
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So this is he's not ready,

1631
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: and that's okay.

1632
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: I get it. I feel badly about that part of it.

1633
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: Not because I don't think everything I've said and done

1634
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 1: is correct. I feel badly because of how I envision

1635
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: his mind is perceiving it. Does that make any sense?

1636
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: He's perceiving it as that he represents an institution that

1637
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: has given us opportunities that have been amazing for us,

1638
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: and we do not negate that, but we also worked

1639
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: for it. There's been one hundred and fifty housewives theay

1640
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 1: I haven't all had the same effect as we have.

1641
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,680
Speaker 1: So we should take some credit on our own, but

1642
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: I feel badly for the way that he must think

1643
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: I have fucked him over when it's not about him.

1644
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 1: It's not even doing and I'm not doing anyone. It's

1645
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I just said something and a bunch of people reached

1646
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: out and it became a movement of which he is

1647
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: the face of them.

1648
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: Even if you were suing that, I believe at some

1649
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 2: point he would sit down with you.

1650
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: I am not suing that, and people think that I am.

1651
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 3: I am not believe that. I believe our treatment would

1652
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:12,759
Speaker 3: be different.

1653
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,719
Speaker 1: I think the circumstances are different because I wasn't being

1654
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:20,839
Speaker 1: demoted and I wasn't coming in for a complaint about

1655
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: me right other people. I just said a thing about

1656
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 1: a reckoning that represented, frankly, the whole industry, not even

1657
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: Bravo and certainly not Andy. It's a whole systemic thing.

1658
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: So you were talking about something more specific in micro

1659
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about a macro issue. So it's a

1660
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: little different, I think. But I also recognize your struggles

1661
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: as a black woman. I please believe that I do. Yeah,

1662
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: what is your thorn of your career?

1663
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,840
Speaker 2: You know, probably my thorn is my family. Listen to

1664
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 2: me explain it my family being thrust into this because

1665
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: they never.

1666
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 3: Asked to be in the spotlight.

1667
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 2: So if my children were so young coming into this,

1668
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: and if they made a young mistake like a young

1669
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: person do, the whole world heard about it and knew

1670
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: about it, and they were crucified, not just by their

1671
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: parents but by the public. So the thorn of it

1672
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: for me is having my family be thrown into something

1673
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: they did not ask to be thrown into.

1674
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 3: This is what I want to do, not what they wanted.

1675
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: To I didn't think. I would never have thought you

1676
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: would say that. But that's interesting too, because that's when

1677
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,719
Speaker 1: I say the exploitation without compensation. The children of reality

1678
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: television aren't compensated even for future, for college fund, et cetera.

1679
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 1: So your kids, you don't know, they could be fucked

1680
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: up with it. Without it, you can't know. You're not

1681
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: a genie. But at the very least, they're there because

1682
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: you're there, and they should be compensated. Children working who

1683
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: have to have a microphone on them and who have

1684
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: to be in the room at a time to have

1685
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: a conversation with mom about something the producers say, they

1686
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: have to have a conversation with mom about that's working.

1687
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: But that's why. And I tell you because you said

1688
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: it to me. I am right. I very rarely am

1689
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,599
Speaker 1: not open to interpretation for what I'm saying. I am right.

1690
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,759
Speaker 1: They are wrong. It is that is a zero sum game.

1691
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 1: So I am, for the first time in a really

1692
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: long time, like I am one, one hundred percent right.

1693
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: If you don't like it, you think I bet the

1694
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: Hannah fed me. I really don't care, because I am right.

1695
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: It's the truth. It's the truth, you know.

1696
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: I hate when my kids are being you know, people

1697
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: in the public are talking about them for whatever reason,

1698
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: because they never asked to be in this. Even my

1699
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: husband when he was alive, you know, if he was anything.

1700
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: You know, they just and they won't do it without them.

1701
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: They let you know explicitly they won't do it without them.

1702
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: Now, my husband and kids were very much a part

1703
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: of it interesting and we gave our blood, sweat and tears.

1704
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: We really did go into the grave saying that you

1705
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: are the most iconic housewife of all time. You are

1706
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: the greatest to play the game. You are the goat,

1707
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: You are the rushmore. Who would your rushmore be?

1708
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 3: Probably you? Who else is it going to be you.

1709
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: Gotta have two other people, me and you and who else.

1710
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 2: I can't think of too many. Maybe Vicky, Teresa.

1711
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 1: That's what you. Yeah, that's kind of what I said,

1712
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: because you know what I always say about you, it's

1713
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: the one hundred you were never The people that are

1714
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: my goats aren't there just for the hair and the makeup.

1715
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 1: They may have that, but they don't they get dirty.

1716
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: The people are willing to be unliked, are willing to

1717
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: be unpopular. Yes, you have been loved, but you have

1718
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: been unpopular, polarizing. Teresa has been loved, but she has

1719
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: been hated. Like people. Vicky looked like a lunatic crazy

1720
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: and maybe I like her, Maybe I don't even know.

1721
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 1: I don't really know her. But I gotta give mad

1722
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: respect for someone who's willing to put it all out

1723
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: on the court and be loved and hated. And that's

1724
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: why the goats or the goats, not because they were first,

1725
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: because it's just different. When you watch a show, you

1726
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: watch Beverly Hills, everybody's worried about being perfect, being like

1727
01:22:11,439 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: they'll get dirty enough, but they get right back into

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01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: the bath. We went to the mats. We were animals.

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01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: So you know, we were animals, so.

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Speaker 2: Probably played the game better than what we played the

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 2: game better than anybody.

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01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: We played the game better than anybody. Yeah, yeah, this

1733
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: is like you know, Tom Brady and Jordan.

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01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: And by the way, you guys had ten houses on

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01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: one property to show it, honey, Okay, okay, okay.

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01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 3: This girl and an apple tree.

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01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,799
Speaker 1: And an apple tree and we're planting a peach tree. Okay.

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01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: So I based on what I'm hearing because I wasn't there.

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01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the show with you, So for me

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01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: to know if you were treated unfairly, I do think

1741
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: something shifted in what if what you were saying was

1742
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: you along the way talked about being discriminated again. You

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01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 1: wrote emails, you wrote letters, you made phone calls, and

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01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: then you filed a complaint after you felt that you

1745
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: were demoted and moved out because you felt that you

1746
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: had been treated unfairly with something that you had built.

1747
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: And the intersection of that and me wanting to do

1748
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: a show with you and calling different people and them

1749
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: saying we couldn't get that done. I didn't understand it,

1750
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because neither did Paul. I

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01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,520
Speaker 1: didn't know that you were quote unquote toxic or kryptonite

1752
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: or whatever like. I didn't know that. And when I

1753
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 1: said to agents and when I said to production companies,

1754
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 1: I want to do this show, they basically gave me

1755
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: a brick wall. And I didn't understand why. So I

1756
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the press machine, because what we

1757
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: didn't talk about is the Bravo PR machine. Of that's

1758
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: a big machine that they've been trying to fight against

1759
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: the reckoning. But the reckoning is winning. But that PR

1760
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: machine is strong, and you can tell which articles are

1761
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: that machine. It's just the machine and the micro bloggers

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01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: and all that no problem. But I will say that

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01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know the universe has treated you

1764
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: unfairly because that's what I bumped up against. I wasn't

1765
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: watching closely enough to know exactly what the reason was.

1766
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 1: I just knew that Nani's hysterical, she's talented, we get along.

1767
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: People would die to watch us together. We're hilarious. Put

1768
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 1: us in an RV anywhere, put the cameras on right now,

1769
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: and that thing will rate. That's all I knew, and

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01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: that's why I called you. Yeah, and I got a roadblock,

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01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: So That's that's all that I do know.

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01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 2: So that is, you know, to even get a roadblock

1773
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: is why?

1774
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: And it hurts you because you're feeling self conscious, like

1775
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: what the fuck is everyone saying about me?

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01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 3: But why?

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01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Right?

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01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 3: First of all?

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01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Why because you know, if you check anywhere that I've

1780
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: ever worked, no one would say that other than this

1781
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: group of people.

1782
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: Right, So why would that happen?

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01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't know because I didn't

1784
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: even I didn't. I just thought I was thinking market

1785
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: You know me, I'm thinking about marketing and that we'd

1786
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: be entertaining together and we still wouldn't. Who knows me?

1787
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: I can we The thing about twenty twenty three that

1788
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: you have to understand, we're talking about dinosaurs. Okay, it's

1789
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 1: streamers for old people. We are, you know, if you're

1790
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: in the future, we're sitting here in my basement making

1791
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 1: our own goddamn content. We've got our own camera here.

1792
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: This is our this is where we are. This is

1793
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: our content. We decide where it goes. It's not going

1794
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: to be edited and chopped up to make us look

1795
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: a certain way. I'm in charge, and I'm I thank

1796
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 1: you for trusting me to come to my house and

1797
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: to sit down and to have a real conversation, because

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01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: this is our decision. We are no longer controlled by

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01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: anybody else, and they decide when it goes up and

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01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: how it goes up, and what's said, and what we

1801
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: can say and what we can't say, and when we

1802
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: can't say, who we can work with when we get

1803
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: to air it. Blah blah blah, noah, So shift because

1804
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: you get to decide. You could put out your own content.

1805
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: It's nini is you are so entertaining and you don't.

1806
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: You can be polarizing. You cannot be polarizing. You just

1807
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: put out the honest content and let them decide. But

1808
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: not someone else speaking for you, not someone else putting

1809
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: what you are out there. So you should just this

1810
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: is this is the era of you pretty using your

1811
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 1: own content. You don't need anybody else to be in control.

1812
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: What I would say, That's what I would say to you.

1813
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: That's very true, you control, you'd get in charge of

1814
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: your own words, talent. No one's gonna put your talent

1815
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: in a box. So that's what I think. How do

1816
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 1: you do you? What do you do? You think social

1817
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: media has helped or hurt the show? How has social

1818
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: media affected the whole medium.

1819
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,480
Speaker 3: I think social media helps.

1820
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,759
Speaker 2: I think social media helps everything well, by the way,

1821
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,639
Speaker 2: I mean, where would we be without social media today?

1822
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 3: I think it helps. I don't think it hurts. I don't.

1823
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: You should have a podcast and some version of a show.

1824
01:26:43,680 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 3: I should have a podcast.

1825
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 2: I should have all the things that you have and

1826
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 2: anybody else have.

1827
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 3: But I have. As I said before, I was never

1828
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 3: able to have podcasts.

1829
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I have a good feeling. I have a

1830
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: feeling that something had happened. For something to happen. I

1831
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: wanted you to talk, because like you haven't talked, and

1832
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: I feel like you've been a little you stuck your

1833
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: in between and you got to get out of the riptide.

1834
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 1: You got to get past the bad set. You gotta go.

1835
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: You go back to shore or go out to the

1836
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: big waves. But you cannot sit in the middle. Yes,

1837
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: that's what I think. You gotta go get the big waves.

1838
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 3: I do too, which is why I'm here.

1839
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1840
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: Now, I was beating myself up about coming.

1841
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was. I didn't sleep either

1842
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 1: because I was worried. I didn't like the waves.

1843
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 3: I beat myself up about coming.

1844
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 4: But you know.

1845
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: I was like, just go, and how do you feel

1846
01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: now having done it? Having come?

1847
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: I feel great? You do feel great? No, I don't

1848
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: feel any kind of way. I feel great, you know,

1849
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 2: just like you've you've gotten things that you know, don't

1850
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 2: You can't work with Nannie, you know. I've got text messages.

1851
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Nobody likes Bethany, you know don't. So I'm human like you.

1852
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: So I started feeling some kind of weight, like should

1853
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: I come to her show?

1854
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:54,600
Speaker 3: Should I not?

1855
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 1: To me?

1856
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 3: What the hell is she done?

1857
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 4: Oh?

1858
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: You, you and your own wanted to come, but then

1859
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: people were getting your head and saying things, and you

1860
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: were changing your own god opinion. Yeah, I mean you

1861
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 1: told me your spiritual advisor.

1862
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 2: Said Tom and that you and I were going to

1863
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: be very powerful together. And here I am, and we

1864
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,919
Speaker 2: almost dressed as twins