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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's go. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's go Giants like I like it. Out of the

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Speaker 1: Giants bubble, give me some job.

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Speaker 2: Part of the Giants podcast network. Let's roll Coach Gobs.

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Speaker 1: How we doing?

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Speaker 3: Good man? How are you good?

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Speaker 2: To see you again?

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Speaker 1: Didn't see you too?

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Speaker 2: Year two for you, my man? Yeah, this is exciting.

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Speaker 2: What's uh, what's been the biggest change for you being

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Speaker 3: You know? Uh? I think number one is just having

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Speaker 3: a good feel for, you know, the way we do

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Speaker 3: things here with the Giants, in terms of scheduling, in

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Speaker 3: terms of meeting time, you know, and just really being

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Speaker 3: integrated in the organization for a full year allows you

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Speaker 3: to truly meet a ton of people, you know, a

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Speaker 3: ton of people that make this organization such a great

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Speaker 3: and unique program.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like one of the challenges that spush

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Speaker 2: teams coaches have in the NFL is every year they're

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Speaker 2: changing rules. Right, So last year we talked about there

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Speaker 2: was a new kickoff rule.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: How is that a challenge for you as a coach

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Speaker 2: when you have new players, you have rookies, guys that

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Speaker 2: How do you implement that? How does that change?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know the first thing, it was a drastic

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Speaker 3: It's different punt return, different kickoff, different kickoff returns. So,

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Speaker 3: like you said, you know, truly teaching them the rules

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Speaker 3: but also just teaching them the fundamentals. You know, Like

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Speaker 3: the purest form of football. Block destruction, block mechanics, vision ball,

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously it's not a brand new rule, but

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Speaker 3: there has been some tweaks to the game. They made

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Speaker 3: the touch back the thirty five yard line, right, you know,

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Speaker 2: So what did you learn about that new kickoff rule?

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Speaker 2: Now that you could go back and kind of watch

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Speaker 3: You know, the first thing is the speed in space

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Speaker 3: the blocking schemes that you're going to see are still

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Speaker 3: how do you mirror up and marry everything together? You know,

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Speaker 3: so those things have been pretty consistent. That's something we've

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Speaker 2: So you guys are on the field, get it kind

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Speaker 2: you know every year the roster there's turnover, there's change,

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Speaker 2: there's new blood, new bodies. How what what what does

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Speaker 3: You know, it's you get guys from variety of different places,

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Speaker 3: You know, it is big. But the other thing is

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Speaker 2: So for Giants fans, who are some of those new

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Speaker 2: People use the phrase flip the field a lot r Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the return game. So what are giants? What could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think everything's got to tie together, both

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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you, Abdul Carter, Yeah, third

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Speaker 3: Abdul is an absolute competitor. That guy wants to help

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Speaker 2: So the battery I was a backup long snapper throughout

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Speaker 2: those guys are all coming back. So how does that help?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's you know, one of the things when

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, Like one of the things that you have

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Speaker 3: And you have guys that have been winning stars in

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Speaker 2: So sometimes coaches will throw a bone, right, Hey, if

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Speaker 2: this lineman catches a punt, yeah, no conditioning. You got

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Speaker 3: Who are you choosing past or present.

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Speaker 2: President?

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Speaker 3: Okay, because I was gonna say past, it'd be you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're looking like a receiver right now.

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Speaker 2: So I don't want I don't want that duty. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I would have to say. Gosh,

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Speaker 3: that's a great question. I'm gonna go with JMS. He

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Speaker 3: seems like as versatile player. He's obviously athletic. You know,

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Speaker 2: All right, JMS? All right, so you trust the centers. Well,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, let's let's hope. Uh, let's hope Dave's calls

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Speaker 3: And then then you're the hero and hopefully you're a

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Speaker 2: Oh, that sounds good. I like it sound like a

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Speaker 2: good challenge. Challenge accepted the office.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome, We'll go.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for the time. Man, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Your quarterback room is very new, very new. You got

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Speaker 1: With three new guys in the room, you really got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Russell's been around now. I mean, so this is

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Speaker 1: Even though it's new to him.

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Speaker 2: What did you see on game film that really got

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Speaker 5: I love his competitiveness and his toughness. I think the

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Speaker 5: he he just hit. That quality about him really stood

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Speaker 2: And how is he handled kind of coming in now

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Speaker 2: So how do you I mean, you've got a tough

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Speaker 5: All three of them do too, because they haven't had

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Speaker 5: Hey, control, you can control, take advantage of all your opportunities,

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Speaker 1: They've all done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, man, I think the quarterback room is in

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Speaker 2: going to be excellent now with a you got a

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Speaker 2: first round pick and you got Russ, Like that's right.

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Speaker 2: This might be the richest quarterback room in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, combine everybody, you we go have a good time

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Speaker 1: at the day.

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Speaker 2: That sounds sorry, say thanks so much for the time.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, appreciate Fuck this year