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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: going to do something a little bit different today because

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Speaker 1: we're going to take you on a walk down memory

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Speaker 1: lane of the campaign. We've never really taken you on

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Speaker 1: a behind the scenes look, so it is a party

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Speaker 1: of four here today. I have Sarah Broadwater with me.

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Speaker 1: She was our comms director on the campaign, still works

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Speaker 1: with us today. Kyle Olsen, you have all met him

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Speaker 1: several times. You know him as the founder of the Midwesterner,

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Speaker 1: but on the campaign he was a senior advisor and

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes with us every day, which sometimes I

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Speaker 1: think I maybe call you out on the podcast, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I do. But I'm going to

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Speaker 1: start now. Steban darn Sdeban Clark Brendle is with us.

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Speaker 1: He was our campaign photographer, so he knows like all

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Speaker 1: the dirty secrets. He has, like all the behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes because I ever.

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Speaker 2: Want to blackmail anybody I know, any of you guys, which.

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Speaker 1: We think you're already doing. So yeah, that's true, that's true.

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Speaker 1: That's true. So we wanted to take you on this

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Speaker 1: trip down memory lane, and I figured I would start

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Speaker 1: with the first event I went to that none of

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Speaker 1: these people were at so that they could have a

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Speaker 1: little look into the first event and me still deciding

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Speaker 1: to run for governor. Anyway, it was so sweet because

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Speaker 1: we had this It was a Strawberry shortcake thing, so

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Speaker 1: strawberry social, yes, and it was it was straight out

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Speaker 1: of a Hallmark movie. If I were in a Hallmark movie,

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Speaker 1: I would have definitely married someone that was there that night,

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Speaker 1: and white tablecloths. But it wasn't a Hallmark movie. So

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Speaker 1: there were all the other candidates and there are like

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Speaker 1: twelve candidates, and there was this one guy. My mom

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Speaker 1: went with me, which was so sweet because that was

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Speaker 1: the last event she went to. She saw how horrible

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Speaker 1: it wasn't She just like, why are you doing this?

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Speaker 1: So it was just me and my mom and the

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Speaker 1: girls and then all these other candidates. And I'd never

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Speaker 1: spoken in an event before or anything, so I would get

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Speaker 1: up and I do my And there was a gentleman

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Speaker 1: who was running. Kyle will remember him. His name was

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Speaker 1: Bob Scott, and he wore a hat everywhere. He had

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Speaker 1: this what kind of hat do you think that was No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was bigger than that.

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Speaker 3: It was gigantic, Uh symbrero.

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Speaker 1: Definitely not no, no, but he was. He was like

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Speaker 1: very aggressive. So he was like, I'm Bob Scott and

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Speaker 1: I will be the next governor of Michigan. But for

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Speaker 1: some reason, he like focused in on me, and this

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Speaker 1: still a Pollyanna view of what running for office was

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Speaker 1: at this point. This guy stared me down so hard,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know, maybe at this point

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Speaker 1: know anything about him. Right the entire event. Everywhere I went,

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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? And that was first event

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Speaker 1: quit right then? I know, I was like how much

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Speaker 1: how hard could this get? And then well, ah, you

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Speaker 4: Was that like his intimidation tactic for you stare you

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Speaker 1: I feel like it was, But I don't know why

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Speaker 1: he zeroed in on me. Because you know, Garrett was

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Speaker 1: there and like, you have to remember, at this point,

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Speaker 1: no one knows who I am. I walk in this

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Speaker 1: remember going to school and saying I'm gonna it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a hard year for us, and telling the girl

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Speaker 1: because I'm going to be a running for governor. And

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Speaker 1: I remember the girl at the front desk the look

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Speaker 1: of nowhere. Kyle, you remember this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, so during the pandemic, I was covering Gretcha

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Speaker 3: And this was, you know, late twenty twenty, This was

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Speaker 3: said we'd like a woman business owner who's running against

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Speaker 1: Yeah. This was the genesis of hey, I have a

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Speaker 1: great idea. I've learned now when Kyle comes to me

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Speaker 3: So then so I called you and I said, explain that,

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Speaker 3: and I said you should run for governor, which of

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Speaker 3: course I didn't really know what that meant. Now a

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Speaker 3: few years later we know what that means. But then

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Speaker 3: you I connected you with a political consultant who had

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Speaker 3: other ideas for what you should do, and you met

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Speaker 1: And I don't know. I look back at him like

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Speaker 1: do people is the machine just a machine? And they're

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Speaker 1: like at the beginning of the campaign, I would always say,

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Speaker 1: All the consultants are walking their prize pig through the room.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, okay, look at her, you know,

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Speaker 1: she's nice, heavy, she's this will be a good one

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Speaker 1: for you, you know, she's it's like your pig. You know, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you said you're describing yourself that way. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: how you feel. Like everybody's looking you, at you and saying,

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Speaker 1: that that's the whole system. The whole system is like,

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Speaker 1: who are you going to invest in? And I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the fact that people are investing in you, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think that it was when we came into it,

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Speaker 1: We took a business from bankruptcy. We never went and

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Speaker 1: and it didn't seem like I was like, Okay, how

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Speaker 1: hard can that be? But it's very competitive. There's only

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Speaker 3: And what you were up against were two candidates that

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Speaker 1: And so at the beginning, it was just really Kyle

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Speaker 1: But when we were all sitting there, it was like

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Speaker 1: is early on, like this is when nobody knows anybody's

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Speaker 1: have not even thought about this race. At this point,

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Speaker 1: like hardcore Republicans. Right, So we have to stop the

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Speaker 1: It wasn't safe, Like it was the safest place you've

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Speaker 1: important that he has to have this, Like how can

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Speaker 1: going places. And then you're going places and you're going

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Speaker 4: After the prime like you think after the primary, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you had very little of the fabulous experiences.

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Speaker 1: But Esteban, you tell your story because I think your

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Speaker 1: story is interesting. I mean, so you were still yet

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Speaker 1: a child, still a child, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: I was two months out of high school when I

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Speaker 2: got the call from your campaign manager. And at that

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Speaker 2: point I had sent emails to a couple of different

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Speaker 2: campaigns about the possibility of working with them. I didn't

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Speaker 2: a call from a number from Florida, and naturally I

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Speaker 2: then I got a text from the same number that

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Speaker 1: See rather, you've got a message and you're like, I

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Speaker 1: got it.

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Speaker 2: I got it. I got a message that said this

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Speaker 2: is Tutor Dixon's campaign manager. Didn't give me his name,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and and and then uh. And then

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Speaker 2: it was like, give me a call as soon as

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Speaker 2: you can. And I started panicking, and I waited fifteen

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Speaker 2: minutes and then I called him back and he was like, look,

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Speaker 2: I saw your email. We'll give you a trial day

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Speaker 2: on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: And then the rest is kind of history. Although I

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Speaker 2: if I was your campaign manager, I would not have

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Speaker 2: hired me. I had no political experience, I had no

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Speaker 2: work experience. I mean, you're the campaign was my first job.

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Speaker 1: In general, because you were in high school before.

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Speaker 1: Like, never, I had never done that before. I'd never

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Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot be trusted around things. So

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Speaker 1: we were just I think we're actually driving on the

435
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: we were on the highway. Yes, when I was gin's

436
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say, I was like, I wonder what

437
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: that button does. And it turns out the button opens

438
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 1: the window, the giant side window of the bus, which

439
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: might have helped you in your in your sickness mode.

440
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: But it was the bus driver was not wrong, not happy.

441
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: It's like the entire right side of the bus just

442
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, it was like, oh there's the highway.

443
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that, don't push that button. They should

444
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: have a bigger warning label.

445
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 3: That was like ten days, wasn't it.

446
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: The bus tour.

447
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was horrible.

448
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: No, it was not.

449
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was maybe for somebody to get carsick, but

450
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: that was there were only like four people on the campaign.

451
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: I got carsick.

452
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 3: Usually usually I'm fine in a car, but there was

453
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 3: no looking out except the front windows.

454
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: There's like the seat of shame at the front of

455
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: the bus that you it was over the stairs, so

456
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: like folded out.

457
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: And you're like, yeah, I was in a high chair,

458
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 3: That's what it was. Like.

459
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,479
Speaker 1: It's great. That was one of my favorite things. Anyway,

460
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: Sarah tell us about what how you got to how

461
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: I joined the campaign.

462
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: Well, I got a call from someone that I'd previously

463
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 4: worked for that knew you, that was from Michigan. And

464
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: this was like several months into the campaign I think

465
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 4: for you, so you were on my radar. But they

466
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 4: were just like, oh, yeah, she might at some point

467
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 4: want to hire someone. I said, okay, well that's interesting.

468
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 4: At the time, I was working for Procter and Gamble

469
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: and Cincinnati doing marketing. And then I think it was

470
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 4: I was I remember distinctly when I got the official

471
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 4: call that you were looking to hire someone.

472
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: I was.

473
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: My mom happened to be in town that morning and

474
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 4: I was like breakfast with her. Our campaign manager called

475
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: me and said, hey, can I put you on the

476
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: phone with Tutor right now? And I was like, oh yeah,

477
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: hold on second, let me walk outside. It's pouring down

478
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 4: rain outside, so I had to like go find this

479
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: little tunnel. I'd never talked to you before, so I

480
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 4: was like, I have to find somewhere that's quiet so

481
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 4: I can look professional here. And I get on the

482
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: phone and he puts me on with you, and I

483
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: think Kyle was on there too. I think we talked

484
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: for like fifteen minutes, and I think by the end

485
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 4: of it, I was like, Okay, yeah, I'll move to

486
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: Michigan next week, and I did, so I went. I

487
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 4: think that was over Labor Day weekend. I went into

488
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 4: p ANDNG the next day and was like, hey, by

489
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 4: the way, I'm leaving going out to Michigan again. And

490
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: then I moved up to Michigan and who knows. The

491
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: first couple of days were just chaos.

492
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, what was the day.

493
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: What was your first day?

494
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 4: I think it was that month, first Monday after Labor Day.

495
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I had to go back to where you were

496
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: at the very end, so you didn't see a lot

497
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: of the craziness, but you were there, so there was

498
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: So Kyle is a quiet He's a low talker. We

499
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: all get annoyed the fact that Kyle is a low talker.

500
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite stories of the campaign

501
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: because Kyle will sit in the front seat and talk

502
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: and no one else in the car can hear him,

503
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: and they always assume that he's trying to whisper, so

504
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: no one hears him. And I'm like, he's just a

505
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: low talker. So we would yell at him all the time,

506
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: but he would never talk louder. And then we had

507
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: Tulca Gabbard with us for a part of the campaign

508
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: and like halfway through the day, Kyle is talking to her,

509
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: just to her, no one else, and she goes, is

510
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: that like a thing you do? And he was like

511
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: what And she was like, the low talking, being really quiet,

512
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: is that your thing? And the look on his face

513
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 1: was he was completely appalled. And I know the only

514
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: reason he was completely appalled was because we were all

515
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: sitting there like, hmmm, somebody else noticed.

516
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that was a little embarrassing.

517
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 5: He says, very quietly, what was that? That was a

518
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 5: fun day though, because okay, so this is also one

519
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 5: of my favorite stories. As you noted, we didn't get

520
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: we literally could get candy at the end of the day,

521
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 5: like we never stopped for food, and it was whatever

522
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 5: food you could get, was you were just going to

523
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 5: take it right, so and we ate a a lot

524
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 5: of interesting little places, but oftentimes we didn't actually stop

525
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 5: for food.

526
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: So Tulsie Gabbard has she is a vegan, right, Is

527
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: that right?

528
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: I think so?

529
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: She so she had a very specific diet. So we

530
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: had one day where we are at the Polish American Club.

531
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: We had this big event and she was there, and

532
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: then we come back to the bus and they have

533
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: this nice vegan meal for her, the campaign team. They

534
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: bring it in a to go box and it looks delicious,

535
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: and then they bring me Perrogi's and sauerkraut, which also

536
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: looked delicious, but it was obviously not the same as

537
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: this fancily prepared meal. I just got something whatever was

538
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: left over in the tins in the Polish American Club,

539
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was like, you know, like

540
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: sitting in my corner like eating my food, you know.

541
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: And she comes up and she's like, so do you

542
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: always request Polish food? And I was like what? And

543
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: she's like, is that what you do? Do you want

544
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: to have Polish food ever you go? And I was like, oh,

545
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: she's thinking this because people care about what she wants

546
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: to No one cares about what. I would just take

547
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: your souer kraut later. And I'm like and I'm like,

548
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Now she thinks I'm like mars sour crowd.

549
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: No, because anything you want on a bus all day

550
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: with people.

551
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: How horrible I would be as a person if I

552
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: were like, get me, where's this our crowd? And so

553
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh no, huhuh. This was just

554
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: these are the I get the leftovers. That's I don't

555
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: get the pecan.

556
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 4: No, looking back, I don't really know why we didn't

557
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: also just get you food as well.

558
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: I mean it was fine because we were used to.

559
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: It was fine.

560
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: We had like full days, like as full as you

561
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: could possibly do it without violating some kind of law.

562
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember being like whoever was scheduling at the time.

563
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: I remember at one point being like, you, guys, I've

564
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: had four children. There has to be a bathroom break

565
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: built in at some point, like this cannot be.

566
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Because the bathroom on the bus didn't work, did it.

567
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 4: I think we told people it didn't work because we

568
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 4: didn't want to go there, and it did work.

569
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: Don't you know, aren't you a resident of the bus?

570
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: No? I did not use the bathroom when I slept

571
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: on the No, of course not.

572
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: Why would I because you were there all night, I know, But.

573
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: I was sleeping in the back room. There's no access

574
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: to the bathroom and I was petrified from opening that

575
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: door because I thought that the bus would be parked

576
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: at the.

577
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to clarify, this was one night and

578
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,479
Speaker 1: you wanted to sleep on the bus. We did not

579
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: force this.

580
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: As soon as I heard that we were getting a bus,

581
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: I asked the campaign manager, can I sleep on the bus,

582
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: And every time I asked he said no. But then

583
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: this one night we found out that one of the

584
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: staff members didn't get a hotel room. It wasn't booked

585
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: for him. And I was like, oh, he can just

586
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: have mine and I can sleep on the bus. And

587
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: at that point the hotel I think was pretty full,

588
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 2: so I don't know if they could have booked him

589
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: another room. And so the campaign manager was just like, fine,

590
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: you can sleep on the bus. Today. It was my day.

591
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: And every time we had a rally, we would just

592
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: park the bus at a hotel and then drive it

593
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: to the rally spot the day. For this, for some reason,

594
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: we decided that the night that I slept on the bus,

595
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: we would just leave it at the spot where the

596
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: rally was going to be. So I was, I was

597
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: on the bus, and I was in my little back

598
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: room and I was sleeping on the floor. And I

599
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: woke up at like five am and I heard a

600
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: bunch of banging outside the bus and I was like,

601
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: what is that? And it was people setting up the

602
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: stage for the rally, because we had a really early

603
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: morning rally the next day or the day, and so

604
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 2: I was just so scared because I was awake on

605
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: this bus that people had no clue I was on.

606
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: They were making a bunch of noise. I had no

607
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: clue how effective the actual wrap of the bus was,

608
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Like could people see through? It was possible. So it

609
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: was just constantly paranoid that people were watching me through

610
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: the wrap of the bus. And that was probably the

611
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: most terrifying three or four hours of the campaign.

612
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Was there There was a bed back there like you.

613
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: No, there was like a sofa, but it was curved

614
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: like a sea, so you couldn't really lay in it

615
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: that well.

616
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: So you like chose to be in the position on

617
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: the floor.

618
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically, would.

619
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: You sleep on the bus again? If you were offered one, but.

620
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: It would have to be parked at a parking lot

621
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: in a hotel, just because I would like to have

622
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: been able to get off that you could have Well, no,

623
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: because I had been told it wasn't working.

624
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I started that. Actually that does not surprise,

625
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: but it actually checks out, Sarah.

626
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: It's a little little personal to be close to.

627
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: It was a bad spot on the bus.

628
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: I think there was a definite only number one ship

629
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 4: you had to go there would.

630
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. We used as story no one showered,

631
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: but when the bus was moving it was loud, so

632
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you wouldn't like hear someone going to the bathroom. What

633
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: about the smells, Yeah, I think I will. There was

634
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: the number one part two of that and apparently you

635
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: got a different memo I no use the bathroom.

636
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: Orle Yeah that was really wow. So you tell me, yeah,

637
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: well I was. I would have probably been too scared

638
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: to use the bathroom on the bus just because there

639
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: would be people around.

640
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't care. I mean, let's take a quick commercial break.

641
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: Will continue next on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Do you

642
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: have any other anecdotes?

643
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 3: Well, I would I would just say you're talking about

644
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: the rallies and the bus the the number of people

645
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: that turned out two events that I've been around Michigan

646
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: politics for a while, and the amount of people that

647
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: would turn out for a governor's race rally was incredible

648
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 3: and one of the very few events that I didn't

649
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: go to, like because you can probably count those on

650
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: one hand. From the very beginning was the at that

651
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 3: farm in Genesee County or wherever that was, and the

652
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 3: amount of people that turned out. But when we did

653
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: the whole tour through you know, sort of the border counties,

654
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Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of people would turn out to these rallies.

655
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Speaker 3: It was the energy that people had, and I think

656
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Speaker 3: it was because you were I think the rallies fed

657
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Speaker 3: off the energy that people had from the debates and

658
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Speaker 3: your performance and the debates, but also people were just

659
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: sick of Whitmer and they wanted somebody fighting back, and

660
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Speaker 3: you were doing that.

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Speaker 1: Well. A fun fact that I think a lot of

662
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Speaker 1: people don't know is that we actually received the most

663
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Speaker 1: votes of any Republican gubernatorial candidate in history in Michigan.

664
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Speaker 1: So we had a very high turnout, not high enough,

665
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Speaker 1: but I to this day will say that the Democrats

666
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: have done a great job of coming into Michigan and

667
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: infiltrating all different areas, and I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: the counties that are the biggest counties, and I don't

669
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: think we've put the focus that we needed to into

670
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Speaker 1: those counties. And they're slowly being peeled away by Democrats

671
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Speaker 1: and they are doing a great job of getting messaging

672
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: and educating. And everybody says to me, all, is Trump

673
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: going to win Michigan and will Trump win the country?

674
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Speaker 1: And I just say that we are not at We

675
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: were not at that point in our campaign, and I

676
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Speaker 1: didn't know because when we were coming to you know,

677
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: this is my first campaign, and when we're coming to

678
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: the end, I'm like being told, you know, there's so

679
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: many moving parts, and you have a team that's telling

680
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: you there's a ground game coming in. They're going to

681
00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: do all the work, and they're going to get out

682
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: the vote in the and tee ballots will be chased

683
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: and all of that, and none none of that happened.

684
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Speaker 1: And I think none of that happened. And we still

685
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: had this high number of votes, so Michigan is winnable,

686
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: but we didn't win. And I believe it was solely

687
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: because we didn't have the organization on the ground that

688
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: they had and the education. They were doing these ads

689
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: that were everywhere, and we couldn't play ads. We didn't

690
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: have enough money, but we also didn't have the strategies

691
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: that they had. But that's my concern with everybody who's

692
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: super comfortable with November with Trump. I'm like, don't get

693
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: so comfortable. Don't feel like you can just step back

694
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: and not do anything. There's so much that needs to

695
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: be done and the media is brutal and Sarah was

696
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: a part of that. She saw the media here. It's

697
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: media in Michigan is a nightmare. They hate Republicans. They

698
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: don't even try to hide it.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've worked in multiple states, worked in DC,

701
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: and I've never seen state media. And I say that

702
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 4: as state media because they worked directly for Gretchen Whitmer

703
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: like I have in Michigan. I mean, there is nothing

704
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: get They carry her water till the end. And you

705
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: talk about the debates. I think, especially up until we

706
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: were able to have our first debate with her, they

707
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: could the media could just write whatever narrative they wanted

708
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: about her, and she loved it because it was all

709
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: glowing pieces about her because no one fully knew what

710
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Speaker 4: you were capable.

711
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Speaker 1: Of at that point.

712
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Speaker 4: And then I think, you know, we can tell the

713
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: story about how those debates went down, but I think

714
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Speaker 4: once you were on the stage with Whitmer and she

715
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: had to go toe to toe with you, suddenly it

716
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: was like the rug was pulled out from under the

717
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 4: media and they had to face the facts a little

718
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: bit more that they've been carrying water for a woman

719
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Speaker 4: that truly was not at her best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was doing a lot of tests

721
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: in the primary. One of them was the handling the

722
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: media requests and all of that. And so right after

723
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Speaker 3: you won the primary, obviously the next big task was

724
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Speaker 3: selecting a running mate and then getting that person through

725
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: the convention. And there were some of your former opponents,

726
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: you know, didn't care who you wanted as a running mate.

727
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: They wanted to go to the convention and try and

728
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: be the running mate and you know, just displayed their

729
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: uh personalities there. But what happened was right after the primary,

730
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Speaker 3: I had a couple different TV reporters and station representatives

731
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: reach out and say, we'd like to, you know, begin

732
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: scheduling these debates and so they were coming to me.

733
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: The campaign manager was going to be, you know, managing

734
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: and negotiating, negotiating all of that. And the way that

735
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 3: the debates happened was we said to one of these reporters,

736
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Speaker 3: which should we name the person who cares? So Rick

737
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Speaker 3: Albyn from Channel eight would tv H called and said,

738
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Speaker 3: you know, we want to do these debates, and so

739
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: he was one of them, and so I sent him

740
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Speaker 3: to the campaign manager. The campaign manager just said, we've

741
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: got to get through the convention, which was just a

742
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Speaker 3: couple of days away. I mean, it was something that

743
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: could have waited. So once we get through the convention,

744
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Speaker 3: then you know, let's negotiate the terms and the dates

745
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: and all of that. That day, the Whitmer campaign puts

746
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 3: out we've accepted two dates and they were one was

747
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: the middle of October and the other one was the

748
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Speaker 3: end of October. And of course ballots go out and

749
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Speaker 3: think of how.

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Speaker 1: Pathetic that is. She knew she couldn't debate, That's what

751
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: it was. She knew she would fail miserably. I didn't

752
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: know she was so bad. I didn't know she would

753
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: be so pathetically bad at it. But I had never

754
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: debated before. So to me, it was shocking that she

755
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it until after absentee ballots were out. Because

756
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: she was an attorney, she was a prosecutor. You would

757
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: think that she would be phenomenal, she would want to

758
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: get to the debate stage.

759
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: And a long term legislator. She had been in the

760
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: legislature for a decade in the House and the Senate.

761
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: She was the Senate minority leader. So she was getting

762
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: all kinds of media attention and was trying to articulate

763
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: a message. But my point about all of that was

764
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Speaker 3: that the media didn't say, no, for the good of

765
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Speaker 3: the voters, we're going to have debates earlier. They just

766
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: went right along with what the Whitmer people want.

767
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Speaker 1: In this state was afraid of her. There's no people

768
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: don't like her. They're scared of her. That was the

769
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: overwhelming we used to say. No matter where we went,

770
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: people would say, we're just afraid that she'll come after

771
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: us if we support you. Were afraid of what she'll

772
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: do to us because she had been known for shutting

773
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: down businesses, taking people's license if they went against her.

774
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: She used the power of government to really crush them

775
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: and hurt them. But we had no idea what the

776
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: debates would be like, and so we're practicing the debates

777
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: and we had the person that was playing Whitmer, and

778
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: it was a guy, and he was so good at it,

779
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and he would say things like, well, that's just not true,

780
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: and I thought that this is not how she's going

781
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: to act. The whole time I kept thinking, but he

782
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: was really funny, but I kept thinking, I am, she's

783
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: going to have better responses than this. But it was

784
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: so spot on. Oh my gosh, we got in that room.

785
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Then I would say something and she would have that response,

786
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: and it was almost it would almost throw me off

787
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: because it would be the exact facial expression, her hands

788
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: would move the same waymen. He had her down so good,

789
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 1: and she was so.

790
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 3: Panicked because she sorry. She's just so predictable. And that's

791
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: I think what people need to understand going forward, is

792
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: that she's so predictable. And so as people talk about,

793
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: you know, she's going to run for president and she's

794
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: a you know, what a compelling candidate she would be

795
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: and everything, they haven't actually looked at her in terms

796
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: of studying her personality and studying how she responds to

797
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: things and how she acts and all of that, and

798
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: I think once people actually do that, she's not going anywhere.

799
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Speaker 1: She's so easily flummixed.

800
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Speaker 4: That's the I remember that first debate. It was a

801
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 4: closed debate, so I think I could only go in afterwards.

802
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 4: It was just you and Whitmer and Rick Alvin. I

803
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 4: can't remember who else was doing the debate that day.

804
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: And I walk in after it's all said and done,

805
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: to get you ready for the media scrum afterwards where

806
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: you're gonna take questions from the press. They'd let everybody in,

807
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: and I walk up to you and I'm like, you

808
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 4: looked at me, and You're like, I don't know, how

809
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: do you think that went?

810
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: I was like, it was great, you were awesome because

811
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: you did you really, because you were just supposed to

812
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: say that no, But I kind to make me feel good,

813
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: But I mean, you kicked your butt.

814
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 4: And then you look behind her podium and she had

815
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 4: like housed like five water bottles in the time of

816
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 4: the debate, and she clearly Whitmer went off into a corner.

817
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: All the media flocked to you. I mean every station

818
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 4: in town wanted to talk to you because they knew

819
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: that you overwhelmingly beat her, and I mean, as far

820
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 4: as I remember, she ran off pretty quickly because she

821
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Speaker 4: was totally taken aback.

822
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that was that's the most telling

823
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: part about her. When she panics, she runs, she doesn't respond.

824
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Speaker 1: I mean we saw her just last week when the

825
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: person came up to her and started yelling at her

826
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: in the restaurant. She just freezes. She doesn't know how

827
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Speaker 1: to handle it. And so beforehand, you know, you have

828
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: all these rules and you might not know this because

829
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but you have like the station

830
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: managers talking to you, and they were like, you know,

831
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: the governor has her whole staff, and you have to

832
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: be careful of the governor, like you're the second person,

833
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: but you're not. You know, she's the governor. So you

834
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: can't get near her, you can't, and you can't cross

835
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: her path. You can't do anything. And they're like, in

836
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: after the debate, you have to wait in the hallway.

837
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Speaker 1: And this to me was shocking because I don't think

838
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: this is how everybody would be, But they demanded that

839
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: I wait in the back hallway so that she and

840
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: they showed me where I would have to wait and

841
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: I could have one staff member wait with me while

842
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: she went upstairs, because she had a group of people

843
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: there that she was going to go up and I

844
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: guess celebrate with, and then they would come and get

845
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: me when she had left the building. Because she couldn't

846
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: see me, they and they made it clear. It so

847
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: total power play. She couldn't see me. She was demanding

848
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: that she not have to see me. And after the

849
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: debate they were like, it was she didn't go back

850
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: upstairs to see the people. She went walked right. She

851
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: never changed because she had changed clothes there and everything.

852
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: She never went up to change. She bolted to her

853
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: car and took off, and so I didn't have to

854
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: wait in the corner in the shame corner. I was

855
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: like all right, And I still didn't know. I'm like

856
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. And then after we

857
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: got out, people were like, gosh, she just was horrible.

858
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I think the reason is like, what did she what

859
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: could she say? She's governed terribly. The state is a failure.

860
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: She couldn't hide behind Barbie in a social media post.

861
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: You know when you have to actually stand up and

862
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: talk about things that really matter. And all she has

863
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: is I'm governor Barbie and abortion. That was it, and

864
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: abortion was very effective for her. But and she's lucky

865
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: she didn't have to run again. But if you are

866
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: looking at the state of Michigan, that's why I say

867
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: it is a shame if we can't win it because

868
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: it has been so destroyed. But it also falls on

869
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: us for not having a good ground game and not

870
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: educating people you don't have to live like this, I mean,

871
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: go to Michigan like. That was another thing. There were

872
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: a couple times that we went to other places during

873
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: the campaign to raise money and one of them was Dallas,

874
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: and I think that was really Oh we went to

875
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: Connecticut one time. So I went to Dallas and we

876
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: went to Connecticut. Yeah, that was a whole That was

877
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: another part where the media was like, but you go

878
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: to those cities and they're just like, so much different

879
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: than any place in Michigan. There's no place that is

880
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: built up that much and has that much activity and

881
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: business and prosperity. And we've been through this whole state

882
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: and it is dying on the vine. And that was

883
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: the thing I think that affected me most during the campaign,

884
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: And that was the hardest thing about losing that erase

885
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: was all these people that over and over again came

886
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to me and said help us. It was not it

887
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: was not like hey rah rah, We're on your team.

888
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: It was devastation. Please please do something to bring this

889
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: state back. People who remembered state when it was good

890
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: and the state has been totally destroyed. And that's the

891
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: shocking thing to me about politics is like, how does

892
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: nobody see this? And I think now that we're on

893
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: the inside, we see so much more of the back

894
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: deals the parties. I mean, there is a lot of

895
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: uniparty stuff that goes on, and people that are the

896
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: puppet masters of politics are oftentimes people who are lobbying

897
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: for their own good and they are putting their money

898
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: in different places so that it comes back to them,

899
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes it can be very discouraging. Let's take a

900
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: quick commercial break. We'll continue next on the Tutor Dixon podcast.

901
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the campaign, somebody said to me,

902
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody else who had been a governor,

903
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: and he said, my recommendation to you is your ten

904
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: closest people, keep your ten closest people around you, and

905
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the campaign, you will still have

906
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: five people that you trust and I mean that was true.

907
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: It's like, man, the people that you thought you knew.

908
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean that was the other shocking thing. People that

909
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: we'd been friends with our whole lives, like our whole

910
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: adult lives here in Michigan just turn on you. They

911
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: do terrible things to you. Like politics is so personal

912
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: and cut throat, and they're just so people are so

913
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: obsessed with it that it's like they'll call you up

914
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: and talk to you and then they will take what

915
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: you say and twist it and turn it. And oh man,

916
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: I was like.

917
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: This is our side, you know, Yeah, this isn't even

918
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: then you had the media on top of it and

919
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 4: the Democrats and.

920
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's off to the races. It was shocking, and

921
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: yet we're still here.

922
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean it. It was tough for me because I

923
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: mean I was in high school before then, so all

924
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: my friends were really young and I went to high

925
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: school and grand lets. Yeah, so I was the only

926
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: eighty year old in high school.

927
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: Joe Biden in high school.

928
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: But like, all of my friends were definitely not so

929
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: portive of you. And at one point one of my

930
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: one of my closest friends texted me, I think this

931
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: was at convention, so I was already I had my

932
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: mind on a bunch of other stuff. And she texted

933
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: me and was like, dude, you're selling your soul to

934
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Speaker 2: do this, and I just I read that, and I just,

935
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: first off, I couldn't. I couldn't put myself in the

936
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: position of texting somebody that because all I did was

937
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: take the pictures, like that was my job. I wasn't

938
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 2: in charge of policy. I wasn't in charge of strategy.

939
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: I took pictures. And secondly, what does it matter who

940
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: I work for? I mean, we had been friends since

941
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: sixth grade and this was this was after high school.

942
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: We had been friends our entire like middle and high

943
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: school career and then have I haven't talked to her

944
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: since and it and that story, I mean, you've had

945
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: stories like that. That story is very common.

946
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: I know, but this is not how it was when

947
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: I was young. I do not well. I also wasn't

948
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: into politics, so you can argue this with me because

949
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: you were a politic person of politico. As a child,

950
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: I don't have.

951
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: Any friends, so I didn't lose any friendship.

952
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: But I don't remember in college or like high school.

953
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: In high school, I didn't know what anybody thought about politics,

954
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: and then it just wasn't a thing. Now it's I

955
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: guess it's social media though. And we also didn't have

956
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: the twenty four hour news cycle. Like I remember going

957
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: home from school and watching you know, shows like Friends,

958
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: and then the news came on at ten o'clock because

959
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: we were on the Central time zone, so the news

960
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: came on at ten o'clock and that was the only news.

961
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: Like my parents didn't watch news all day long. And

962
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: now we're so tuned in, but it's not news anymore.

963
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: Like we're watching that Joe Scarborough thing today where he's

964
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: like the New York Times is growing Joe Biden essentially,

965
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, putting out these polls and it's messing with

966
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: people minds. It's because the people on the news, and

967
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: I say this from a place of knowing this, they're

968
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: trying to tell you come to our side, Come to

969
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: our side, because it's not news anymore. It's opinion.

970
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: It is it's affirmation of beliefs.

971
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: It's what did they what do they call it? It's

972
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: some infotainment now, yes, yeah.

973
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 4: This is where the left exells though, because they want you,

974
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 4: you have to be part of the group. And then

975
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: they're very good at demonizing anyone that's on the other side. So,

976
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 4: I mean Asteban talks about it. You're taking pictures, you're

977
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 4: doing a job. You know, you don't go to someone

978
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 4: else and criticize their career. But in politics, for some reason,

979
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 4: that's like the one area that you're able to just

980
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: personally attack like you never would be able to in

981
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 4: any other industry.

982
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: I think a big reason is because there's this mentality

983
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: now that if you don't validate me, and if you

984
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: don't accept me, then you hate me. And it's like,

985
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 3: if you don't you know, just do if you don't

986
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 3: believe everything that I believe, then it's such a you know,

987
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: shocking sort of hate and you just you must.

988
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: Hate me, and it turns into you're a horrible person.

989
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: And that's the part that's very odd, and I think

990
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: that's the part that is hard to get people to run,

991
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: and normal people to run. I mean, when I was running,

992
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: there was not a single person that had been elected,

993
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: and we had twelve people in the race, you know,

994
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 1: and we kept saying, some legislator are going to get

995
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: in and they're going to say, you know, I have

996
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: all this experience and there was no one. And I

997
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: think it's because it is so brutal and like soul sucking,

998
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: and you do have that situation and then and I

999
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: feel bad about it, you know, I'm like, oh my gosh,

1000
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: and I feel bad because I have even a girlfriend

1001
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: of mine who at the end of the race was like,

1002
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: posted on Facebook instead of calling me, post on Facebook

1003
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: if I'm so glad I never have to see a

1004
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: commercial about the perfect example again, because they attacked me

1005
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: because I had talked about how they manipulated all these ads,

1006
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: and so the one ad that was the most powerful,

1007
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: which Whitmer admitted to, knowing that it was cut and paste,

1008
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: like a cut and paste that that's not what I said,

1009
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: that she doctored it, right, she admitted to this, But

1010
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter because it's like the court of public opinion.

1011
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: So this ad goes out and they asked me, you know,

1012
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: do you think a fourteen year old should have to

1013
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: give birth? And I said, that's the perfect example of

1014
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: how terrible this law is, because predators can force a

1015
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: girl to go and get an abortion over and over again,

1016
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: and there's no parental consent, and no one would know

1017
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: this is happening, and then later in the interview, I

1018
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: set a life as a life, and they cut that

1019
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: and put it together so it made it look like

1020
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: I said, getting raped is a perfect example of why

1021
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: you should have to give birth. It was terrible, but

1022
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean talk about looking like a monster, you know.

1023
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: And for me, I am pro life and that I

1024
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: am not ashamed about. But I said, the whole time

1025
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: people can vote, they can vote for that, and they

1026
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: don't have to vote for Whitmer. It's a choice of

1027
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: the state. And I think that's the bit thing that

1028
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: Trump has been saying, like, hey, yeah, I overturned Roe v.

1029
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: Wade.

1030
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: People wanted Roe v. Wade overturned. Look, the Democrats are

1031
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: the ones that brought the court case to the Supreme Court.

1032
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't the Republicans. They were the ones that wanted

1033
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to rule on this. I'm sure they

1034
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: knew they would be able to run on this across

1035
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: the country and then they could have the most radical

1036
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: laws across the country and the states that they wanted it.

1037
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: And so it goes back to the states. But in

1038
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: the meantime, it just destroys people because they use it

1039
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: as such a terrible weapon. And so I had people

1040
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: say to me, you know, will you run for Senate?

1041
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you don't want me to run for Senate,

1042
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 1: Like this is not the moment for me to run

1043
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: because people will still say that I would do anything

1044
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: to overturn that, which I clearly multiple times said, if

1045
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: this is what the people vote for, I would not

1046
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: touch it. It's what the people would vote for. And

1047
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: she kept and she lied about that too, she said,

1048
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: oh she can, the governor can. I mean, they're just horrible,

1049
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: but it's all about power. It's all about power.

1050
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: Well, and the Democrats as though they're above it all.

1051
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 4: But then you hear stories like that and they're just

1052
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: as devious. I mean, they will lie to get what

1053
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 4: they want, and at the end of the day, they're lying,

1054
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 4: and they pretend as though they're so far above this.

1055
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: What is it, Michelle Obama, when they go low, you

1056
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 4: go high. I mean, it's just the exact opposite of that.

1057
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: They lie because they feel as though they're doing this

1058
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: for some greater good, but it's just because it's what

1059
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 4: they believe. But then they have to demonize anyone that

1060
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 4: doesn't agree with them.

1061
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: Right, And I've had multiple people from the campaign, which

1062
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: that's the first time you told us that story. So

1063
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: I've apologize to you. I've apologized to Sarah and I mean,

1064
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: but welcome to the club, Esteban. I'll be your friend.

1065
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: It's so sad. I feel guilty about it, though, seriously,

1066
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: because you guys work here, you can't. You get cut

1067
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: out of things, and that sucks. And I always feel

1068
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: like if you sat down and talked to me, you

1069
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: might find out that I'm not the citiest beast that

1070
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: you think I am. But that's because I'm me. I mean,

1071
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: so I assume people aren't gonna hate me, but I've

1072
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: found out that that's not true. It still happens. I

1073
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: love how joyfully you laugh after you say that. Still

1074
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: a conservative, Yeah, I'm still one of the bad people

1075
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that Joe Scarborough hates. But you know, yeah, I think

1076
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: about this and what do they really hate? If you

1077
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: break it down, we're not that far apart. It's it's

1078
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: the people get triggered with these issues and these ads.

1079
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, we've been getting those abortion ads for

1080
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Speaker 1: two days now, Sarah and I've been getting abortion ads

1081
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 1: from the left that are saying Donald Trump is gonna,

1082
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, take away all our rights.

1083
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 4: It's gonna be Handmaid's Tail all over again.

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00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: It's such blogne. I mean, it's like that's all you

1085
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: have to run on. And it makes me sad, Like

1086
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: it makes me sad that people your age can't see

1087
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: through that. But I don't know what I was like

1088
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: when I was your age. It probably was stupid too.

1089
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean not that I'm saying that.

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00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I quit the rest of us at this

1091
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 4: table to say we don't No.

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean I would not. I think that it's I

1093
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't blame you for any of that. I mean, I

1094
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't put any You were run like you never you

1095
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: weren't running as a like, you were running as you.

1096
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: I guess people people show their true colors, and when

1097
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: they do that like that, it's out in the open.

1098
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: My friend obviously didn't value me as a friend, because

1099
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 2: if they did, I probably would still be friends with them.

1100
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: But I will say this, I.

1101
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: Think it's a culture though that has taught students, and

1102
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: I shouldn't. You're right, I shouldn't say that they're stupid.

1103
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: I think they've been manipulated by a system, even in

1104
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: their schools that has said if someone is not like you,

1105
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: does not believe what you feel strongly in your heart,

1106
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: you cannot have a relationship. They must be cut off.

1107
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: And that to me is incredibly dangerous because that's like

1108
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: the wrong think theory is very dangerous because one to

1109
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: start attacking people for wrong think and you put them

1110
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: in a bucket. I mean, that's how you end up with. Okay,

1111
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: these leftists that are calling for re education camps for

1112
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: Trump supporters, you know, and then you have a massive

1113
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: amount of people who are saying, oh, yeah, they do,

1114
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: they do need to think differently. They are the thought police,

1115
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: come after you. The wrong think is strong. You have

1116
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: to be put into a system that's going to re

1117
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: educate you can come out differently.

1118
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean from my perspective, I don't know what happened

1119
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 2: to me, but I don't you know, I don't care

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00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: who you vote for. My mom.

1121
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: We actually never know what Esteban's thinking, which I love

1122
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,479
Speaker 1: about you. I don't know mean what you think.

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: My mom didn't vote for you. She made it very clear.

1124
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: We joke about it. How we we probably couldn't we

1125
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: probably we probably shouldn't have voted because we just canceled

1126
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,959
Speaker 2: each other out, but you.

1127
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: For canceling your own mom, that means so much.

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00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, but I'm saying, like, there is no

1129
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 2: way for me to exist in my sphere of friends

1130
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: where if I cut people off because they believed something

1131
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 2: different than me or they voted differently from me, I

1132
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: would be in like I would be in a silo

1133
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: and the only people I talked to would be you four.

1134
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 2: Like that's it because all my other friends, all my

1135
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: other friends, to put it nicely, hated you.

1136
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 1: So at least his mom did talk to me, though.

1137
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mom talked to you. I remember one time

1138
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: we were just completely randomly. I had no idea you

1139
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: guys would be there, but we went to get gas

1140
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: at a gas station and I found you guys at

1141
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: the same gas station packing because you were going up

1142
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: north for something. And my mom talked to you, and

1143
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: it was it was cool because for most parents it

1144
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: would be kind of scary to ship your kid off

1145
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: with random strangers you had never met for multiple days

1146
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: at a time.

1147
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true.

1148
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents were really chill about it. I remember also, especially.

1149
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: Since she was like, and I'm not voting for that person.

1150
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like they drove me to places so that

1151
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: I could meet you guys. I mean I had I

1152
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 2: didn't have a driver's license. I got my driver's license

1153
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: a little after the primary, and I remember that because

1154
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: I got my driver's license and there was also an

1155
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: event happening in Lansing. So my very first day with

1156
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: my license, I had to drive to Lancing to meet

1157
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: you guys at the capitol for a press conference. And

1158
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: that was scary. That was really scary.

1159
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it. Your glasses get stepped on.

1160
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: Her glasses got stepped on.

1161
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: Then you have to drive home with no.

1162
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't drive home. I drove with my dad,

1163
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: So that was because he needed his car. I didn't

1164
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: have a car either, so he needed a car. So

1165
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: I drove with my dad and then he drove back.

1166
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: My glasses got stepped on, so thank goodness he drove back,

1167
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: because otherwise I would just be stranded in Lansing. Oh man, Yeah.

1168
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: But what was such a good experience.

1169
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun. The entirety of the

1170
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: campaign was probably the coolest thing that will have ever

1171
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: happened to me.

1172
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's just because you're still in your twenties.

1173
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's all downhill from here. I've learned.

1174
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Thanks. That was just campaign number one for you asked

1175
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: about it was.

1176
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: Like, hey, I think I hit the bottom yet.

1177
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: Not yet, it gets worse.

1178
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: Great.

1179
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't even say anything. He's like, no, it's gonna

1180
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: get better.

1181
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, but I think that if it

1182
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: doesn't get better, this was a really cool experience, Like, truly,

1183
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: this was I don't know what I did in a

1184
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: past live to get so lucky in this one.

1185
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, gosh, I'm hi, that's so sweet.

1186
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: Can I get a raise now?

1187
00:58:50,840 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: I see what this is about. Okay, Well, we've taken

1188
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: a lot more time than we normally take, but I

1189
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: think that this was kind of I mean, for us,

1190
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: it was really fun to go down memorily memory lane.

1191
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: And we would like to honestly, we'd like to do

1192
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: this more often where we have all of us kind

1193
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: of chatting about we'll chat about news.

1194
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: Of the day.

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00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: What I love about this group and that I get

1196
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: to work with every single day, and I am blessed

1197
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: to work with them, And it is kind of this

1198
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: motley crew that came together for this campaign. And I

1199
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: look back and We had a great time with everybody.

1200
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: Like I really look back at our team and think

1201
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: our team was really fun and worked hard. No one ever,

1202
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: I know, I don't remember anyone ever complaining. They probably

1203
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: probably have blocked that out in front of it. To me, yeah,

1204
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: not to me, thankfully. They were very good to me.

1205
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: Was I like a tyrant?

1206
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: No? Okay, No, they mainly complained about other people. Okay,

1207
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: everybody was super nice to you. About Sarah.

1208
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not even going to comment on that.

1209
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: You weren't supposed to talk about that.

1210
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: Sarah was she I had to be tough all the

1211
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: time though, because she had to deal with the media.

1212
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: So I don't remember you being tough on anybody else though,

1213
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: except for lying about the bathroom, which obviously.

1214
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, which now you're finding that out later on, but

1215
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 4: you know at the time that was for the good

1216
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 4: of the group.

1217
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1218
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody respectfully knows No. Number two,

1219
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: but sometimes Number one had some emergencies.

1220
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 4: You like to think, but you learn a lot of

1221
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: people about people.

1222
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: That's true. I guess there are people who would just

1223
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: drop a deuce in that care.

1224
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 4: We were a male heavy campaign team, so I just

1225
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 4: I don't like to make assumptions on anything.

1226
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 1: Because girls don't do that exactly. Yeah, girls don't do that.

1227
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, on that note, we'll we try out you

1228
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: let us know, end us a message, let us know

1229
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: if you enjoyed hearing from us. We want to do

1230
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: this more. We want to have all four of us together.

1231
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: And I was saying, I am blessed to be with

1232
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: these characters every single day, and so I want you

1233
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: to get to know them too, because they are so

1234
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: fun and they have lots of opinions and all different.

1235
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of it. Like Kyle and I are

1236
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: really old. He will always tell everybody I'm older than

1237
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: him by a year. So he likes to tell me

1238
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: I'll never be as old as you. So I am

1239
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: the oldest person here. And then Sarah is our resident

1240
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: millennial and like, what are you? You're not a millennial, right,

1241
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know? You're a gen xer. I I don't know, No,

1242
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: you're a gen zer.

1243
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: You turn I turned twenty one in I don't know

1244
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: how many days a month, maybe two months.

1245
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: So someone in their twenties, someone in their thirties, two

1246
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: people in their forties. One at the end of that

1247
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: and no one lets me forget. So I think we

1248
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: have an interesting perspective on all of these different topics

1249
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: that are going on in the world. And I love

1250
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: having you guys here because you're from I think both

1251
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: of you come from the generation of people who feel like,

1252
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: if it hurts me, I have to cut it out,

1253
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: like I have to block what up the wall, not

1254
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: be near it. And that's something that I was hearing

1255
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: someone the other day say, this has become a real problem,

1256
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: like what we're seeing on college campuses right now. Part

1257
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: of the problem is that that mentality has been so

1258
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: strong in your generations of like, if I don't agree

1259
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: with it, there's no debate. We don't We lost debate

1260
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: at some point where it was like, we can like

1261
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: your friend, I mean, why wouldn't she call you even well,

1262
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: I say, it's your generation, my friend instead of calling me,

1263
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: which I then of course called and was like, hey, why.

1264
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: I like when people do that to me that I

1265
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: know on Facebook, then I like to call them and

1266
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: they never answer. But but it just this interesting to

1267
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: me that we've become this culture that stopped talking to

1268
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: each other, and we also became a really mean culture

1269
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: where you can send a message and then like peace

1270
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: out and never talk to the person again. It's like,

1271
01:02:58,800 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: what fully ghost people?

1272
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 2: That's yes, and you were simultaneously more connected than ever,

1273
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: but also more disconnected than ever because you can easily

1274
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: just shut somebody out if they say something you don't like.

1275
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: I know, this is not something that happened in my generation.

1276
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean we didn't but we didn't have cell phones

1277
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: and we didn't have it was better. I sound like

1278
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: my mom now. When I was a childhood, life was better.

1279
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: We had to go outside and.

1280
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll blame the internet, blame alcore.

1281
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: Did you have play dates? Were you that generation?

1282
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1283
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: Of course I had play dates.

1284
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: Did you have plates? Yeah? If you had play dates,

1285
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: of course I would have played it.

1286
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: Like that's that's beyond age. Everybody has plays.

1287
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: I still have play dates. Yeah, no, but like arranged

1288
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: play dates. It wasn't called a play date when I

1289
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: was a kid. It was it was called al d

1290
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, did you have plays?

1291
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: I mean I played with kids like it.

1292
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't It wasn't like a term. I don't remember.

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Speaker 3: being a parent.

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Speaker 1: Not ours was just he went outside and found out

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Speaker 1: who else was outside and hung out.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my mom would be like, just be home

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Speaker 4: when it gets dark, please, yeah, And then maybe I

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Speaker 4: would be.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't know how your mom looked

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Speaker 1: through you. She's very defiant, which is it works for

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Speaker 1: some situations, not all not all all right, So we're

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Speaker 1: going to do this more often, but for now we're

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Speaker 1: going to let you all go. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us on the Tutor Dixson Podcast. Thank you

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