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Speaker 1: Kurturre Latino USC Latin Latino USA.

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Speaker 2: I'm Maria Inojosa. We bring you stories that are underreported

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Speaker 2: but that mattered to you, overlooked by the rest of

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Speaker 2: with these, we listen to the stories of Black and

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Speaker 2: Latino Studios United, Latino Front, a cultural renaissance organizing at

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Speaker 2: the forefront of the movement. I'm Maria Ino Jossa Labida

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Speaker 2: teqita It life gives and takes away. Maria Emilia Martin

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Speaker 2: gave the world this program, Latino USA, but on December two,

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Speaker 2: Maria Martin left us for good. If there was one

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Speaker 2: thing that Maria gave to the world besides Latino USA, though,

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Speaker 2: it was her capacity to celebrate life even when facing

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Speaker 2: the most difficult situations as a journalist, as a Latina,

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Speaker 2: as a woman, and she had a lot of those

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Speaker 2: moments of trials and tribulations. And even though Madia Martin

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Speaker 2: founded this program which launched on May fifth, nineteen ninety three,

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Speaker 2: and even though she named me the anchor of Latino

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Speaker 2: and I had never sat down to do a formal

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Speaker 2: sometimes we're just too busy to celebrate, especially working journalists

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Speaker 2: like Maria who never stopped practicing her craft. We had decided, though,

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Speaker 2: that celebrating thirty years on the air merited a retrospective

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Speaker 2: of what we've done. No other news program in the

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Speaker 2: United States has documented the Latino reality week after week

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Speaker 2: Madia Martin passed away on December two in Austin, peacefully

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Speaker 2: while the song Gracias a la vida played in the background.

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Speaker 2: We are still heartbroken by this news, and so we

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Speaker 2: USA in order to honor her. Madia was my first

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Speaker 2: Her stamina was extraordinary. In fact, there are so many

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Speaker 2: a special show celebrating Maria Martin's work and our contributions

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Speaker 2: going to run in January. But for now, enjoy listening

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Speaker 2: her and her work. She is the true visionary behind

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Speaker 2: this show. And you know, Madia's favorite sign off was

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Speaker 2: If you've ever been to the campus at the University

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Speaker 2: And they brought things with them. This is a whole

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Speaker 2: No other show in the United States has ever done that.

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Speaker 2: From Fudro Media and PRX, It's Latino Usa. I'm Mariainojosa.

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Speaker 2: Today a very special show. We're gonna present to you

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Speaker 2: out of the nas There were old press packets, Oh

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Speaker 2: create marketing opportunities. There were lots of old documents logo

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Speaker 2: the very first show that Latino USA aired on May fifth,

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Speaker 1: I'm Maria Inojosa today on Latino USA Latinos in South

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Speaker 2: It's emotional because it's like, wow, we really like on

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Speaker 2: Thirty years, Oh yameh, that is a lifetime. There has

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Speaker 4: Hello, how are you miss? Maria delues Hosa.

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Speaker 2: Maria Emilia Martin is a journalist who's been working in

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Speaker 2: I know it's not the first time that I've said,

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Speaker 2: Maria Amelia Martin, welcome to Latino USA. But I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say, Maria Amelia Martin, welcome back to Latino USA.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Madia. And of course people make the mistake

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Speaker 2: And so before we start, I have to say thank

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, thank you for recognizing that, Maria, you were

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Speaker 2: I don't actually remember a lot about the conversations about

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Speaker 4: Here that was the day I think the world changed.

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Speaker 5: I hope that Latino USA does for its audiences what

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Speaker 2: I just remember thinking, like, boy, I am working with

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Speaker 4: And Mandalit del Barco or Latino USA, Mandalit del Barco,

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Speaker 2: You know, Maria, hearing this brings back so many memories.

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Speaker 4: Well, that was the point of calling it Latino USSA

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Speaker 2: I see you as a visionary in so many ways,

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Speaker 2: But nobody in this time we did so much political reporting. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's a great responsibility, but it's also

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Speaker 2: I remember that there were so many people who had

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Speaker 4: And that happened almost from the beginning of the program.

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Speaker 2: You had a lot of dreams by Dya. You were frankly,

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Speaker 2: You're going to work on your own reporting. And September

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Speaker 4: Well. I remember that day. I was actually in Austin

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Speaker 2: You know, you kind of held it together. You were like, mane, yeah,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't my decision to leave Latino USA. I was

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Speaker 2: When we lost you, I know that I felt rudderless.

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Speaker 4: My being in Central America has put me in a

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Speaker 2: Here, Madia, we're talking for the first time. We have

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Speaker 4: I feel very proud that it's still on the air.

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Speaker 2: Maria, Amelia Martin, thank you for everything you've done for

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Speaker 4: It's nice to be back on Latino USSA.

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Speaker 2: Those years after September eleventh, they were a blur to me.

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Speaker 2: So all of that took me away from the day

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Speaker 2: But still we had our audience clamoring for us, and

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Speaker 2: September eleventh confirmed for us the fact that we couldn't

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Speaker 2: Latino USA. And one of the people who came through

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Speaker 2: the doors of our Austin newsroom in search of a

438
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Speaker 2: work study program that would be Mincho Jacob. He was

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Speaker 2: a student at the University of Texas at Austin and

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Speaker 2: then it became his full time job. And well, Mincho,

441
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 2: he kind of saved Latino USA. What a mean job?

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Speaker 7: How's it go into?

443
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: Used to be in my ears all the time? What

444
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: would you say to me when I would like be

445
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Speaker 2: tracking to be like eight o'clock at nine o'clock at night,

446
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, un mas sip.

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Speaker 7: I've been I'm still saying that I said it to

448
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Speaker 7: my wife this weekend.

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Speaker 2: The day when you actually go in for your job interview.

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Speaker 2: What happened that day?

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Speaker 7: I went in to apply for a work study and

452
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Speaker 7: I was really interested in it was like radio because

453
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Speaker 7: I've a musician and then my family's from Watemala, So

454
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Speaker 7: I was like, this is perfect, It'll be great. And

455
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Speaker 7: I walked in and they made fun of me.

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Speaker 2: What were you wearing exactly.

457
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Speaker 7: At kaki slacks and like a short sleeve button up

458
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Speaker 7: put this like dorky little tie and my goateee from

459
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Speaker 7: you know, the nineties that I was still rocking into

460
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Speaker 7: the early two thousands.

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Speaker 2: So for you Minscho, getting that interview at Latino USA

462
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Speaker 2: was a big deal. By then, Latino USA had a

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Speaker 2: level of recognition at the University of Texas. What did

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Speaker 2: you remember?

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Speaker 7: So I had been listening to it was really like

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Speaker 7: excited to be able to do this kind of work.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: There was always reports from Watemala and from just like

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Speaker 7: Chicano culture, which was something that I had grown up

470
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Speaker 7: around and was really proud to be a part of.

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Speaker 7: And so like it was just a different viewpoint that

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Speaker 7: you didn't here on MPR at all.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is that the feeling that

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Speaker 2: Latino USA was that there was a community where you

475
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Speaker 2: could be Latino Latina and play in the sphere of

476
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Speaker 2: respected journalism or music journalism too, doing strong cultural reporting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I feel like especially our music pieces were some of

479
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Speaker 7: the best. Patch on Massive, I think was like one

480
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Speaker 7: of the bands we were using a lot for this

481
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Speaker 7: sound for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio is patcha Massive Nova and Maya,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Latino USA.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for having us.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, patcha Massive that was like the soundtrack

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Speaker 2: of my life.

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Speaker 7: We had really beautiful audio pieces that we would do,

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Speaker 7: not just like with music, but you know if we

489
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Speaker 7: did like spoken word with like Luis.

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Speaker 2: Guerra, Well, if your mouth isn't watering yet, Commentator Luis

491
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Speaker 2: Gerras tells us about the best dorty yes he's ever had.

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Speaker 9: As I came up the forest path, there were two

493
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Speaker 9: small and low structures, the aroma of tortillas. Let me

494
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Speaker 9: right to the kitchen. These tortillas were a revelation. I've

495
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Speaker 9: been needing tortillas for half a century and these were

496
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Speaker 9: the best by far.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the importance of having Latino producers and editors,

498
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Speaker 7: because there's that like are you stereotyping, you know, there's

499
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 7: always that danger, or are you celebrating? There you doing

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Speaker 7: our own sound, our voice. And I think that was

501
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Speaker 7: where we wanted to be. It was like, this is

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Speaker 7: the sound of our cultures.

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Speaker 2: Today we profile three influential jazz musicians. Sometimes bad luck

504
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: can turn out to be a good thing. Don't believe me, well,

505
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: just ask Martin Turner.

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Speaker 9: If there's one thing that defines Los Ensanteles is their

507
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Speaker 9: ability to absorb a Mexican musical style and make it

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Speaker 9: their own and their new record.

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Speaker 2: Very soon into your job, basically doing everything because you

510
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: brought this energy of like I love the show, and

511
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Speaker 2: what I wasn't seeing because I was in New York

512
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Speaker 2: was that you were working around the clock. So can

513
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Speaker 2: you just tell us everything that you remember doing.

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Speaker 7: Can you say went through a lot of ups and

515
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Speaker 7: downs as a program. We were part of kt Radio

516
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Speaker 7: and we were part of NPR back then, and like

517
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Speaker 7: you know, that was kind of in the area of flux.

518
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Speaker 7: When I started to in that chaos, there was also

519
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Speaker 7: an opportunity and like that's why I would talk to you.

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Speaker 7: It is like, can I do this and like, sure

521
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 7: you want to do this? Okay cool, or like Walter

522
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 7: would be mixing and I'd be like, hey, can I

523
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Speaker 7: sit with you and just watch you learn. Basically, I

524
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Speaker 7: took on a lot because there wasn't a lot of

525
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Speaker 7: leadership in house on that. So we were writing, we

526
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Speaker 7: were editing, we were recording you, and then we'd mix

527
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Speaker 7: it and like put it out and sometimes we'd change

528
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Speaker 7: gears crazily and like get a breaking story. But yeah,

529
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Speaker 7: it was both fun and then became incredibly stressful.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that you actually experienced, more so

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Speaker 2: than other producers, very intensely, was me having to juggle

532
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Speaker 2: the show every week, recording every week, traveling for CNN,

533
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Speaker 2: and having kids, like kids who by now could actually say, hey, mom,

534
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: don't leave, don't catch that plane. Let's just say it.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of guilt.

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Speaker 7: It was always like a gamble. We were always playing

537
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Speaker 7: craps of like is it going to be noisy or

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Speaker 7: is it not? Your kids were very gracious. I just

539
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Speaker 7: got to say. We were always recording late the night

540
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Speaker 7: or early in the morning, at all hours. We were

541
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Speaker 7: eliciting it on your family life, which was a crazy thing,

542
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Speaker 7: but also just a side of the dedication. And so

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Speaker 7: your family, I know, has always put it a lot

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Speaker 7: to make this happen, and they're much a part of

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Speaker 7: Latino USA.

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Speaker 2: I remember that whenever we would get ready to record,

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Speaker 2: I'd say right on the set, and they hated that.

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Speaker 7: They hated that exactly. It's tough. And I know as

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Speaker 7: a woman too, especially, you know, like the sacrifices that details,

550
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Speaker 7: but that a lot of time society doesn't recognize. You know,

551
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Speaker 7: that's okay for a man to do that, but if

552
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Speaker 7: a woman is doing that, it's not viewed as okay.

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Speaker 7: You know, I respect you a lot for that, and

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Speaker 7: I hope your kids also have reconciled it all.

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Speaker 2: So you actually end up living through the post nine

556
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Speaker 2: to eleven era of Latino USA, and now we start

557
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Speaker 2: becoming a target again immigrants, refugees, brown people in general.

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Speaker 7: There's always been a hard line against immigration that existed

559
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Speaker 7: in the United States, but it's certainly like skyrocketed and

560
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Speaker 7: that side of everything was very empowered post nine to

561
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Speaker 7: eleven because they're like, look, this is what happens when

562
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Speaker 7: you have open borders, and that rhetoric that we see today,

563
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Speaker 7: I mean very much has its roots back then, and

564
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Speaker 7: we were constantly reporting on it and what that meant,

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Speaker 7: from the Minutemen down in Arizona to just the policies

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Speaker 7: of the United States in general. Try to create a

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Speaker 7: certain debate about it too that didn't exist in a

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Speaker 7: lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by one of those supporters, Jim Gilchrist,

570
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Speaker 2: a founder of the Minute Men Project. Welcome to Latino, USA, Jim, Hi,

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Speaker 2: where is this sliver of common ground that you think

572
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Speaker 2: you can have with people who say there's got to

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Speaker 2: be another way except for massive deportations and building a wall.

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Speaker 3: I know people are coming here because of economic, social,

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Speaker 3: and political oppressions and their homelands, but we cannot realistically

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Speaker 3: continue ourselves as a world economic power or with any

577
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Speaker 3: global influence if we are going to take in every

578
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Speaker 3: person based on their willingness to come here, not on

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Speaker 3: our willingness to invite them here. I want them to

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Speaker 3: come here legally, have respect for our nation's laws.

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Speaker 7: I want them to and I think that we did

582
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Speaker 7: a really good job of covering it. But it gets hard,

583
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Speaker 7: and Mike, we got all sorts of emails and messages

584
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Speaker 7: of y'all are just immigrants. Stop shut up? And again

585
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 7: that line of like who are we and what are

586
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 7: we about? And it was always a struggle too, you know,

587
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 7: like when you and so she went to Taminican Republican

588
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 7: innegating folks that were like acting like medic men in Arizona,

589
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 7: essentially the exact same thing, trying to seek out undocumented Haitians,

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Speaker 7: and like this idea of like, we got to get

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Speaker 7: rid of the Haitians, they're the problem.

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Speaker 2: It's a stunning Monday morning, the sky is a shocking

593
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Speaker 2: Caribbean blue, but this beautiful backdrop doesn't mask something terrible

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Speaker 2: taking place at the very same time from a white

595
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Speaker 2: bus with metal bars on the windows, I hear cries

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Speaker 2: of distress.

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Speaker 7: And so we would talk about those things to really

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Speaker 7: like inform the discussions and the discourses that were happening

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00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 7: in the United States, because you know, when they were

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Speaker 7: talking about enhance interrogation, people weren't saying a torture and

601
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 7: NPR even was telling us to say torture. But we

602
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 7: did a series on torture in Chiba, and it was

603
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Speaker 7: very important to say, like, this is not enhanced interrogation,

604
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Speaker 7: this is a horrible crime against humanity, and we need

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Speaker 7: to call it torture for what it is. I'm really

606
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Speaker 7: proud of what we did, talking about no human is

607
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 7: illegal and trying to force the broader network into using

608
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Speaker 7: language that really did not dehumanize people.

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Speaker 2: In some ways, Latino USA took the post nine to

610
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Speaker 2: eleven dynamic, and because we were in control editorially, we

611
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: did respond editorially in a different way.

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Speaker 7: We were relevant in a time that powers that be

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Speaker 7: didn't want to have Latino USA around. It would have

614
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 7: been really easy for us to fall by the wayside.

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Speaker 7: I think MPR would have been fine with us going

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Speaker 7: by the wayside, and not to discount that they did

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Speaker 7: support us over time, and there was a lot of support,

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Speaker 7: But we were a difficult thing for them too, and

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Speaker 7: a lot of levels, And that's partly because of their

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Speaker 7: own inability to see what's important and about having diverse voices,

621
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Speaker 7: because we're often outside of the story of what is

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Speaker 7: the United States.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were many years in that second decade

624
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Speaker 2: that began to feel really challenging to keep the team together,

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Speaker 2: and then this thing happens, this terrible thing regarding an

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Speaker 2: ISDN line. Back then, it was a very expensive thing,

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Speaker 2: and the fact that I had an ISDN line into

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Speaker 2: my home. It was a great thing, but it also

629
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Speaker 2: was the thing that almost took us down.

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Speaker 7: Well, just so everybody knows about it, IDM line. Now

631
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Speaker 7: you have like very high speed internet connections in their homes,

632
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 7: so you can do a lot digitally that you could

633
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Speaker 7: not do back then. And so that ISDM mine was

634
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Speaker 7: thirty dollars a minute or something like that. It was ridiculous.

635
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Speaker 7: I might be exaggerating a little bit, but it was.

636
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Speaker 7: It was pricey. You could record to where I sounded

637
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 7: like two people were in the same studio. You would connect,

638
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Speaker 7: you would record for a couple hours, and we would disconnect,

639
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Speaker 7: and you know, that would still cost us like five

640
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 7: or six hundred dollars, and that was part of our budget.

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Speaker 7: But occasionally it would get left on a little bit longer,

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Speaker 7: and that was a problem. We would talk about it.

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Speaker 7: But one time, I think you went to dominicate the

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Speaker 7: public for vacation, that we left it connected for like

645
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Speaker 7: two weeks, and that is several thousand dollars is like

646
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Speaker 7: fifteen or twenty thousand dollars of a connection, which again

647
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 7: went to the internal mismanagement that was happening in the office. Basically,

648
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 7: by that point, Katt was like, we're done. We don't

649
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 7: want to do this anymore. This show is not really

650
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Speaker 7: getting any traction. It's losing audience. It's a half hour show,

651
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Speaker 7: which is a really hard thing to place. So the

652
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Speaker 7: idea to cancel the show, which there were some legitimate

653
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Speaker 7: mistakes that should have had consequences, but instead of like, hey,

654
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Speaker 7: let's take this thing and make it better because there

655
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 7: is an audience, basically it was like, this is a

656
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 7: golden opportunity. Let's end the show.

657
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: Can you take me to that moment where you are

658
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 2: in the office in Austin and you're like, Jesus, it's

659
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 2: really going to happen.

660
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 7: That was just really hard to hear and understand and

661
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 7: like know what we are going to do in the future.

662
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 7: You know, some people had contingency plans, some of us didn't.

663
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 7: That was my first foray into journalism, and like here

664
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 7: it was ending. So it was just really devastating. And

665
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 7: those like seven or eight months, Kat said, don't do

666
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 7: anything like repackage the show and put it on. So

667
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 7: we would just sit around. Walter would watch Hulu and

668
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 7: I would like tittle my thumbs and just read Wikipedia

669
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 7: all day. And it was kind of odd and uncomfortable.

670
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 7: It was incredibly difficult for us in Austin. And I

671
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 7: know that you were also dealing with what to do.

672
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 7: And I know you could have easily also walked away

673
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 7: and left this thing to just go away and not

674
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 7: be a problem. But what were you thinking about whenever

675
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 7: Latini say, yeah, canceled, and like, why not just walk

676
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 7: away from it?

677
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: The way I've understood Latino usay is confronting all of

678
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: these frankly the attacks and now you know the actual

679
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: like let's just cancel the show is because of this

680
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: deep sense of really serving our audience. Maybe the people

681
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: that NPR or KUT did not listen to our show,

682
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: but we knew that people were listening to it. When

683
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: I suddenly find myself without work in the year twenty ten,

684
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: and I was like, there's no way I can call

685
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: my dad, doctor Raoulino, Hossanse Buppy, I'm going to have

686
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: to go on unemployment. And so Latino USA, which had

687
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: kind of always been in some ways a side gig,

688
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 2: very important in terms of my journalistic identity, but in

689
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: fact a side gig with a side side salary, suddenly

690
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: it was going to become the thing. And one of

691
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: the key things that I knew now because the census

692
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: had come out, was that the Latino population had grown

693
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: by forty three percent from two thousand to the year

694
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty ten, almost doubly, and I was like, oh, this

695
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: is why I need to stay with Latino Usay, this

696
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: is why I need to form Futuro Media and make

697
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: it a company that has a bilingual name. The hard

698
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: data is going to to save Latinos and Latinas because

699
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: we are a growth engine for this country. That was

700
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: my first major production, and of course, men Cho, you

701
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: were the one who actually did the nuts and bolts

702
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: of bringing the show to New York, And I'm wondering

703
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: what was that like for you to kind of be like, Okay,

704
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm a Texas guy, been here my whole life mostly,

705
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: and now I'm moving to New York. I mean, we

706
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: didn't even have an office. I think we were at DCTV.

707
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 7: That was actually really cool to go to who was

708
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 7: a Chinatown and the old firehouse down there. It was

709
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 7: really crazy. It was traumatic to me in like cold.

710
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: That's funny that the thing that you remember the most

711
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 2: trauma was because of the cold, not the fact that

712
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: we didn't have an office, or the fact that you

713
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: didn't have any equipment. I mean, I don't even know

714
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: how you did it, Mincho.

715
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 7: It was a little crazy. It was definitely we had

716
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: been flying by the seat of our pants for a while,

717
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 7: so it was like, well, let's just keep on doing this. Yeah,

718
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 7: look at Pasa. But it was also just like career vitegrating.

719
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: The first, you know, year of creating Futuro and a

720
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: sense of robustness and kind of possibility, and you, Minscho,

721
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: carrying the entire show on your back. I was now

722
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: making my first frontline documentary, so I was out of

723
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: the office and I could see that it was beginning

724
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: to wear on you, and so you did say, okay,

725
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: I gotta basically take care of Mincho. So can you

726
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: tell me what it was like and why you decided

727
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 2: to leave Latino USA and what that meant for you.

728
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 7: You know, it's always like be careful what you wish for.

729
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 7: It was fun, it was a really exhilarating to do.

730
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 7: I like that. That's why I like my other career

731
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 7: in life has always like been working in restaurants. I'd

732
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 7: like that feeling of working under stress, producing something that

733
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 7: somebody is going to and enjoy, be it a brisket

734
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 7: or a radio piece, but you know the reality too, Yeah,

735
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 7: Like it just gets really hard. You had to have

736
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 7: a work life balance and everything, and I was on

737
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 7: the wrong side of that balance. When you're in a

738
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 7: nation organization, it's just it's hard and so it it

739
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 7: took its toll on me on that.

740
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: When you look back at your time at Latino USA,

741
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: what is the takeaway for you?

742
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 7: I really appreciated the work that we did even under

743
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 7: that pressure, even under the limited resources, Like we were

744
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 7: able to do things that I'm really proud of.

745
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: Mechel. Thank you so much for speaking with me. It's

746
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: really been great to go down memory lane with you.

747
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 7: Yes, definitely, thank you for having me on, and it's

748
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 7: great to reminisce and like, I'm really proud of the

749
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 7: stuff that y'all have done.

750
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 2: Coming up on Latino USA. So we saved this show

751
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: from getting canceled. But then Fuduu Media has to take

752
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: on the challenge of reinventing Latino USA after twenty years

753
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: of being on the air, well also learning how to

754
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: manage a new startup media company. It got real interesting.

755
00:46:06,680 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: Stay with us yes, dear listener, we are back. So

756
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, I made one of the scariest but

757
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: really one of the most exciting decisions that I've ever

758
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: made in my life, and it was to found futuro Media.

759
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 2: I mean scary, because come on, I had never run

760
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: anything in my life, and the truth is that those

761
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: first years were pretty chaotic, even by Latino USA standards.

762
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: I was learning how to manage a company while still

763
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: having to produce a weekly show, which means we never

764
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: took a break. I also made another decision. I wanted

765
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: Futuromedia to be based in Harlem. I wanted our company

766
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: to be in a historically black community, and in twenty thirteen,

767
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: we finally convinced NPR to let us turn Latino USA

768
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: into a full hour weekly show. That did double the

769
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: production load on the team, but it also opened up

770
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: so many possible abilities for us. We were independent, we

771
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 2: could do essentially what we wanted, but after twenty years

772
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: on the air and thousands of stories reported and produced,

773
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: what was next for us? Luckily, we had a brilliant

774
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: team of young producers full of great ideas that we're

775
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: ready to take this challenge head on. People like Antonia

776
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: seehidro oh La. Maria Antonia was a journalism student from

777
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: Northwestern University. In twenty fifteen, she became one of the

778
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: first interns at Futuro Media, and she, along with so

779
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: many other talented producers and editors, helped to shape the

780
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: voice of a renewed Latino USA.

781
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 8: I remember being super excited about doing my journalism residency

782
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 8: at Latino USA, and then I don't know if you

783
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 8: know this part of the story, but I will say

784
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 8: at the time it was a ragtag group of people,

785
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 8: I think it's fair to say. And nobody actually gave

786
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 8: me the address of where I was supposed to go,

787
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 8: so I had to like find it on the Facebook

788
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 8: page of like where the office was, and then just

789
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 8: like showed up at the time that I thought would

790
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 8: be appropriate to show up.

791
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was.

792
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was the middle of winter, and you walked

793
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 8: in with a zebra print mini skirt and like thigh

794
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 8: high like leather boots and giant hoop earrings.

795
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 4: And I was like, yes, I have arrived.

796
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 8: Is where I have to be.

797
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: I can't believe you remember the skirt. I mean that

798
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: was a I mean.

799
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 8: How often does your boss come in with a zebra

800
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,439
Speaker 8: mini skirt.

801
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: And it's true they were over the knee boots. Heck, yes, no,

802
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: you look hot.

803
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 8: I was like, she's hot. And then also, I mean,

804
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 8: I just remember falling in love with the office immediately.

805
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 8: It's painted this like color orange that's very like warm

806
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 8: and inviting. And you know, Northwestern is an extremely white

807
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 8: and Anglo environment, and it was fun to be in

808
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 8: an office where we were speaking in English in Spanish.

809
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 8: There was an understanding of like Latin America. You know,

810
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 8: it just felt like there was a lot of like

811
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 8: shorthands already in place. I mean, I personally grew up

812
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 8: just surrounded by not many Datinos, and so for me,

813
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 8: it was like the most liberating feeling. It was the

814
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 8: most understood I had felt by like an environment. We

815
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 8: were a really young team. I mean I was the youngest,

816
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 8: but it was mostly people in their late twenties. How

817
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 8: did it feel for you to have such a young team.

818
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: I think one of the things that is the salvation

819
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 2: of Latino USA is that I have never felt like

820
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: it's my property. Even though people hear my voice and

821
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 2: my name and they immediately tie me to Latino USA.

822
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: I have never felt like it's my show and it's

823
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: got to be done my way. This show has had

824
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: this kind of editorial fluidity, and I think, yeah, there

825
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: was a definite sound to the first decade, a definite

826
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 2: sound to the second decade, and a definite sound to

827
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: the third decade, which is when I'm in charge and

828
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, look at all of these smart, young,

829
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: super creative producers. I want them to feel like they

830
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: can take risks and they're meeting the task.

831
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 8: What was really cool is that it was a time

832
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 8: where I think industrywide, there was a lot of ambition

833
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 8: in terms of what audio could bring. You know, the

834
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 8: other big shows at the time were This American Life,

835
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 8: were Radio Lab, and I think you can see in

836
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 8: the difference of having a Latina woman at the head

837
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 8: who's encouraging these young people to pursue what they want, Like,

838
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 8: we had the ambition to do things that were at

839
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 8: the journalistic level, that were creatively interesting, but also that

840
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 8: spoke to our own reality. And I think that you

841
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 8: gave us that opportunity, which I think was rare in

842
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 8: the industry then and still rare now, and a lot

843
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 8: of us producers were able to figure out our own voice.

844
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: I think I was very intentional about understanding how I

845
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: was being seen in the industry. At the same time,

846
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, I was facing all kinds of challenges, whether

847
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 2: it was personal or financial. I remember I was in debt,

848
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: I had kids in college. You know, there were always worries.

849
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: There were behind the scene worries. There was are we

850
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 2: going to be able to make payroll kind of worries.

851
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 2: But I remember that I was like, you're walking into

852
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: this office and you are trying to set a tone,

853
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, and the tone is upbeat, try to be happy.

854
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 2: Although at the same time, Antonia, I think you would

855
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: say yeah, but also you could never really hide your emotions.

856
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 2: And I bet you saw me in like some emotional

857
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: up and downs.

858
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 8: You used to send me voice notes of you crying.

859
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I

860
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: can't believe me.

861
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 8: But I was, oh God, the real Diehard. Let you know,

862
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 8: USA fans will know what I'm referring to.

863
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 10: You know that we're doing this episode about crying.

864
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: I know that we're doing an episode about crying. Oh

865
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: my god, Antonia. That was so it doesn't get more

866
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: intimate than that, does it.

867
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, the personal stuff you were dealing with was insane

868
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 8: at the time because you were dealing with a lot

869
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 8: of death.

870
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: Not to I mean, yeah, not to bring it down,

871
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: but it was like my father was dying, Brimn Mexico

872
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: was dying.

873
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 11: So this is one of the times when after just

874
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 11: getting off the phone with my mom walking to work

875
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 11: and she's telling me about my debt.

876
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: The thing is that you talked about wanting to do

877
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: something about crying, and I just remember saying, well, I'm

878
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: crying all the time, so I want to work with

879
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 2: you on this. But I also felt safe with you

880
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: as a producer, and I think that that was the

881
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: other thing, was that your curiosity about what was possible,

882
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: what we could do, made me just see things differently.

883
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 10: So what I did is I went on the Wikipedia page,

884
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 10: and according to them, women cry between thirty and sixty

885
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 10: four times a year and men cry between six and

886
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 10: seventeen times a year. So there are two million Latinos

887
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 10: living in New York And I did some kind of

888
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 10: multiplication and division, and I reached a number or what

889
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 10: I thought the number of other Latinos crying in New

890
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 10: York City at the same time as me was. And

891
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 10: the number I got was six hundred and forty six.

892
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 10: I think the thing that you have always challenged in

893
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 10: your own journalism, and something that I've really taken to

894
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 10: heart is that a journalist is not like a robot

895
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 10: automaton that goes out in the world and records things,

896
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 10: and objectivity is a farce. And also as a goal

897
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 10: is only useful to an extent. And you always bring

898
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 10: your full humanity to your reporting, and I think that

899
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 10: comes through in the stories, and I think you bring

900
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 10: your full humanity to your management too. Could we have

901
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 10: had like a more robust HR system at FUTUA, probably,

902
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 10: but it felt really real, you know, and it felt

903
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 10: like we were able to process emotions and issues in

904
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 10: an open, sort of like community way.

905
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: When I think back, there is one episode in particular

906
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: Antonia that kind of captures what we were trying to do.

907
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: It's called a Day at the Bovega. And I don't know,

908
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: I think we really showed that we had the capacity

909
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: to do very special work at Latino USA.

910
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 8: In my journalism career. I consider that episode like a

911
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 8: really important milestone. Basically, we were inspired by like this

912
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 8: American life and the bodega that we all went to

913
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 8: get lunch at down the street burned down, and so

914
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 8: I think we were all really missing the bodega, and

915
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 8: we were like, oh, what if we did twenty four hours.

916
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 3: From opening to closing, like a whole you know, nineteen

917
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 3: hours in a single bodega, this place that you normally

918
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 3: don't spend more than ten minutes.

919
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 7: In, or maybe you do, right, maybe you do. It's

920
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 7: a place.

921
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 8: We were so hyped on the idea that we met

922
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 8: up on a Sunday. It was me, got Mito Aargas,

923
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 8: Marlon Bishop, and Michael Simon Johnson. We met up at

924
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 8: a diner and we were like, Okay, how are we

925
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 8: going to do this? And so we did shifts. We

926
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 8: did ships were like, Okay, Michael's going to do opening,

927
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 8: like I was going to do the evening, Marlon did

928
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 8: the middle. Like we kind of had the whole thing planned.

929
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 8: We heard from people after that episode that it was

930
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 8: like the first time they heard a voice that sounded

931
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 8: like their own voice.

932
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 7: On air, like YO, say, you know that's a little poppy,

933
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 7: that's this one that you know what I mean.

934
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: So it's like it's a community thing as well.

935
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 8: They were real people talking about their everyday stuff, and

936
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 8: that the pleasure and excitement of hearing somebody who sounds

937
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 8: like someone who lives down the block from you with

938
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 8: in the Latino community was like the excitement that we

939
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 8: were bringing to the table.

940
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: You know, I think you're right. There was a lot

941
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: of consciousness in terms of the audience, and I think

942
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: we were just trying to push the envelope editorially all

943
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: the time, which Antonia brings me to the Chewey story.

944
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: So in twenty fifteen, a man named Chuwy Garcia was

945
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: running in the Democratic primary for mayor of the City

946
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: of Chicago. This was a first and I figured that

947
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: we could get I don't know, some interesting access because

948
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: I had known him since I was a kid. And

949
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 2: so the idea was, all right, let's do twenty four

950
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: hours in the campaign. Not because we were supporting chewe

951
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 2: against his opponent Ram Emanuel, but because we wanted to

952
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: explore this question of what it looks like to be

953
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: a Latino leader. We were in a place like Chicago,

954
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: a very political city, but it got very controversial. NPR

955
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: decided to pull the branding from this episode. Honestly, this

956
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: was probably like the lowest point in my career, and

957
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: also my dad was dying. So oh, it was pretty terrible.

958
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, Antonia, what do you remember about the

959
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: Chewy episode?

960
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 8: Okay, I was not on the team that produced Chewy,

961
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 8: but it was really a hard time. I remember really

962
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 8: liking that episode. Editorially, First, WBEZ said that they weren't

963
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 8: going to release it because we were going to run

964
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 8: it before the election, and so they felt that it

965
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,959
Speaker 8: was going to be unfair coverage to give a whole

966
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 8: hour to Chewy and not do the same for Rama

967
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 8: Manuel's Camp. And then after it aired, NPR said that

968
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 8: it was stripping its branding, which they'd never done, or

969
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 8: something insane like that to an episode. And I remember

970
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 8: we were all really devastated because it was humiliating.

971
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: Really that moment with NPR felt like we could die here.

972
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: This could be it, you know, because the foretelling of

973
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 2: Latino USA's demise has always been there, and certainly NPR

974
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: that was always part of the narrative. Right, eventually, it's

975
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: going to die without knowing this whole other commitment of

976
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: this audience that we had that just loved us. But

977
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: I was like, we're going to die. I don't know

978
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: how to salvage this and it was horrible. But in

979
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: that moment, as a journalist, I also thought Futuro was

980
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: going to die.

981
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 8: I didn't realize it was at that level for you.

982
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, but o Claro, you know, would we lose funders

983
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 2: because NPR wrote about us, the umbutsmen wrote about us.

984
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 8: But I have a very clear memory of the Chruy

985
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 8: fiasco happening, and then the next week we won the Peabody.

986
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 8: You know, that was like the thing it was, It

987
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 8: was not to me.

988
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: It kind of symbolizes the way Futuro has felt in

989
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, and the way Latino USA has felt,

990
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 2: which is like incredibly dramatic depotelenovelakomok.

991
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: What accepting the Peabody is Maria Hinojosa.

992
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 12: With this award, the committee is paying tribute to the

993
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 12: stories of thousands of young immigrants like Johann and Carlos

994
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 12: who were profiled in Gang's murder and migration in Ondudas.

995
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: Which was the affirmation of Marlon Bishop's work, our investigative work,

996
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: our decision to do a story about Onduas when nobody

997
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 2: else could care less. Thank you Peabody Committee for like

998
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: us wanting to make the invisible visible. Yes, thank you.

999
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: We did live through a lot of change while we

1000
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: were together. Antonia the company kind of grew up. We

1001
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: started getting these pretty fabulous awards and recognition, and then

1002
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: there was Election Night twenty sixteen. Do you remember.

1003
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 8: From from an office perspective, I remember that our entire

1004
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 8: plan for post election had to be scrapped, Like we

1005
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 8: didn't even plan for what would happen if Trump won

1006
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 8: because it just seemed like such an impossibility. And I

1007
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 8: remember it being kind of stressful because we were both

1008
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 8: sort of mentally emotionally processing what was happening and then

1009
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 8: also had to essentially create a show from scratch.

1010
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: We connected with the Ganinovaskiz family and they have a

1011
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: wide range of political views, so we decided to check

1012
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: back with them after election day. I always thought that

1013
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: he could win.

1014
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually you did. I remember that.

1015
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 2: I think we didn't understand how intense the support was

1016
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: going to be for him, in particular from the Latino

1017
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 2: and Latina population, and I think that was part of

1018
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: the story. Can you tell us what you did on Tuesday,

1019
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: who you voted for, and essentially why I've vought it.

1020
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 3: For Donald Trump?

1021
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 7: And that was a very decisive move for me. I

1022
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 7: felt his message was resonated very well.

1023
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 8: With me as a journalist. It felt almost like going

1024
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 8: on the defense. It was weird because I remember we

1025
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 8: were getting a lot more donations. It was a time

1026
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 8: where people seem to really like be valuing that Latino

1027
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 8: USA existed in a way that we hadn't seen before,

1028
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 8: and I thought that was very powerful. But I also

1029
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 8: remember being a little bit angry that that is what

1030
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 8: it took. And I also remember feeling really angry that

1031
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 8: I felt that what people really wanted from us were

1032
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 8: these stories of how Trump was demonizing Latinos, which really

1033
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 8: derailed a lot of the work that we were doing.

1034
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: And the trajectory of the existence of Latino USA. We

1035
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: went from being invisible to then being hyper visible, and

1036
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: in that hypervisibility over a false narrative, we go back

1037
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: to invisibility because actually, then our work has to be

1038
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: to dismantle now a narrative that you've created in this

1039
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 2: hypervisibility that for example, Trump laid on us, and it's like, oh, great,

1040
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: now we have to go back and kind of undo

1041
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: this and teach. And it's like it's exhausting.

1042
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, thing in the world of journalism is that sometimes

1043
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 6: it's very lonely work and you do it all by yourself,

1044
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 6: the way I started my career.

1045
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: But then as things progress, you work as a collective.

1046
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1047
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 8: I think part of the reason why you had such

1048
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 8: a good time with this third generation. I'm saying like

1049
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 8: you had the best time with us, right, But I

1050
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 8: think part of it was that a lot of us

1051
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 8: were starting out and you, by that point were really

1052
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 8: an established journalist who had thought a lot about your career,

1053
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 8: had a lot of points of view, and like for me,

1054
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 8: was seeing a lesson up close. I saw how hard

1055
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 8: you pushed to make swabs the story of reality, and

1056
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 8: so it was like extremely rewarding to see how it

1057
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 8: all paid off.

1058
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: Okay, p U see Antonia lib. You know when the

1059
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: phone would ring and we would be in the middle

1060
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: of a major editorial meeting and I would run out

1061
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: because Wabi was calling me from prison. I mean, what

1062
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: did you really think?

1063
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 8: Oh, I bet you're loving this. Madia gets to rub

1064
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 8: this in everyone's face.

1065
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: I do that people are loving this, so go ahead.

1066
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 8: People were so annoyed. We would be like, Madiya, We're

1067
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 8: like in the middle of a meeting, we were like,

1068
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 8: what is she doing? She's always like running off to

1069
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 8: take these phone calls and you drop everything. So yeah,

1070
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 8: it was frustrating. But at the end of this decade

1071
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 8: you on the bullets.

1072
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 2: After you've been with a show like Latino USA for

1073
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: thirty years, you know, I mean, part of what you

1074
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: learn is that, yeah, there are going to be some

1075
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: people who come and go, it gets a little bit easier.

1076
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: But for me, the fact that you have that title

1077
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: of executive producer, that you are producing podcasts that I

1078
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 2: listened to over there at last, I mean, I miss you,

1079
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: but also I'm so proud of you. How do you

1080
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: see Futuro now from this kind of distance that you

1081
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: have as an executive producer in your own right?

1082
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 8: I mean, Futuro is like such a bright spot. It's like,

1083
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 8: I don't know, like, did you expect that you would

1084
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 8: like have a company with multiple hit podcasts when the

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Speaker 8: Pullets are It's this huge success story and I'm so

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Speaker 8: proud of having been a part of it. And I

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Speaker 8: also feel like the central message that you always bring,

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Speaker 8: which is to bring your humanity and your sense of

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Speaker 8: self into what you do and into your reporting, is

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Speaker 8: something that other places are just now kind of grasping.

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Speaker 8: So I feel really grateful as being a producer, but

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Speaker 8: also as being part of the audience that gets to

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Speaker 8: hear and consume all of this incredible work.

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Speaker 2: Antonia, muchas geta ask yes for everything you did, for

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Speaker 2: letting you know us say I love.

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Speaker 8: You, I love you, Madia, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Dear listener, our story is coming to an end, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean for now, because you know we're not going anywhere.

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Speaker 2: All I can say is thank you to each and

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Speaker 2: every one of you for listening, not only today but

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Speaker 2: for thirty years. You know that our future is going

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Speaker 2: to bring us more incredible and challenging stories. So as

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Speaker 2: we say, the only thing that is left for me

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Speaker 2: to say is not tevayas because Latino Usa nosva Forrindao's bass.

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by Victoria Estrada and Monica Moreles

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Speaker 2: Garcia and edited by Marta Martinez. It was mixed by

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Speaker 2: Julia Caruso and Gabrielle Lebiez. Thank you to Renaldo Leanos

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Speaker 2: Junior and Sophia Sanchez for their production assistants. Special thanks

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Speaker 2: this week to the staff of the Neddie Lee Benson

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Speaker 2: Latin American Collection and the University of Texas Libraries for

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Speaker 2: retrieving historical content from the Latino USA Archive, including Carla Alvarez,

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Speaker 2: Grace Bonilla, Elizabeth Garza, Ryan Lynch, Teresa Polk, Carla roig Bly,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Sullivan, Jeremy Thompson, and Catherine Thornton. The Latino USA

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Speaker 2: team includes Andrea Lopez Cruzado, Dori mar Marque, Mike Sargent, Norsaudi,

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Speaker 2: and Nancy Trujillo. Benilei Ramirez is our co executive producer.

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Speaker 2: Our engineers are Stephanie Lebou and JJ Krubin. Our marketing

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Speaker 2: manager is Luis Luna. Our theme music was composed by

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Speaker 2: Sega Rubinos. I'm your host and executive producer. Join us

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Speaker 2: again on our next episode. In the meantime, look for

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Speaker 2: us on social media and for the next thirty years,

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Speaker 2: Los Proxymos Trientagos, Remember not tevyes Chao.

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Speaker 13: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation,

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Speaker 13: working with visionaries on the frontlines of social change worldwide,

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Speaker 13: and the Heisin Simons Foundation unlocking knowledge, opportunity and possibilities.

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Speaker 13: More at hsfoundation dot org. Latino USA thirtieth Anniversary episodes

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Speaker 13: are made possible with support from our legacy sustainers. The

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Speaker 13: Brett Family Foundation also come to Carmen Rita Wong Vamos Enterprises,

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Speaker 13: the National Association of Hispanic Journalists, April Gessler, doctor Elmo Randolph,

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Speaker 13: Belinda de la Libertad, Angela Garcia Simms, and Priscilla Rojas.

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Speaker 8: I remember you'd always bring snacks back from all of

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Speaker 8: your trips. One time you threw tortillas at all of us.

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Speaker 8: We were like laughing. We were like, this is what

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Speaker 8: you were throwing freshthias that you had brought with you

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Speaker 8: from Chicago