WEBVTT - Episode 101: Iron Fitting 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:02.120 The guys from Ping. 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.800 They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:06.880 I just love that I can hit any shot I 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:07.440 kind of want. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:09.400 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.559 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.240 What is up, everybody? It is the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:17.840 Shane Bacon alongside Marty Jerts and Marty We are going 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:21.360 to dive deep into iron fitting today. We talked so 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.280 much about fitting and the importance of it on this podcast, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.120 but we wanted to kind of dive a little deeper 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.600 into just the ideas, the semantics, basically everything you need 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:31.840 to know and more when you're thinking about getting fit 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:32.440 for irons. 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.080 Yeah, I mean irons are important, Shane. I mean this 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.000 is your scoring clubs. You get that ball close to 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.199 the whole, depend on your skill level. Proximity of the 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.920 whole super important. How much they spin, how much stopping 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.080 power they have, the turf interaction, how they look and feel, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:54.200 how much height, left, right, bias, shafts, I mean, lengths, 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.640 color codes. Let's dive in. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.920 Well, Marty, is this the most currently the most amount 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.920 of selection a golfer would have in terms of irons 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:04.840 that Ping offers. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.520 Is this the most uh for sure, Shane. I mean 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.520 I always like to do that thought experiment of back 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.840 when Ping was just had I two's, like it was 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:15.840 I two's for Calcavecia, and it was I twos for you. 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:20.040 And now now we have h we have the entire spectrum. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.520 I mean, blueprint t's those things scare me. They're a 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.000 little too small for me. But you know, if you're 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.400 you know, they're uh, they're they're they're an important part 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.800 of our ecosystem. And then we got all the way 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.120 to the other end of the spectrum with our brand 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:38.160 new G seven forties, very wide soul, very forgiving. So yes, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.840 this is indeed the most diverse iron offering that we've 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.680 ever had in our in our ecosystem. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.560 Here I was thinking about it. I have three sets 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.240 of irons in my bag currently, so I've got idi 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.360 I currently are playing two iron and the four iron 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.800 in my bag. I've got I five forty five iron, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.480 then I got blueprint s up until the wedge and 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.320 then I go into the Ping wedge is basically forty 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.440 six degree on So I mean, I guess you could 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.200 in theory say that's four different options. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.440 That's four when you count. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.960 Well. I mean my bag is eclectic. I'll say that 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.959 in terms of what I put it in my bag. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.640 And I like that. I like being able to kind of, uh, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.680 you know, interchange what I want to play dependent on 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.480 the link and the loft and things like that. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.320 So you got the idi for Idi Fouri and is 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.040 a sleeper out there. I'm hitting that too, and I 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.239 absolutely love it. Has this been treating you well? 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.920 Oh? I mean it's you know, I do love the 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.560 fact that I can hit it off tease when I 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.760 need to. You know, I like the idea that it 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.320 maybe gets a little more distance there, but the fact 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:40.240 that you could take a little loft. I don't always 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.600 feel like that's been the case with the quote unquote 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.240 driving Iron you know game, and I feel like it's 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.680 a shot like I hit it into a par three 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.840 the other day, you know, and wasn't scared that it 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.360 was gonna you know, if I hit it good, it 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:51.639 was gonna just fly everything. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.320 Yeah, it keeps the spin on there. So definitely, I 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.640 think for players that have a have a bit of speed, 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.680 but you're looking for a little more height, take a 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.840 look at the idea for it. It keeps the spin 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.640 on there and I think that's what you and I 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:03.480 are liking about it. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.440 Can you take us through kind of the history of 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.360 the color coding at paying, because I mean, this is 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.520 not something new to this company. This has been something 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.440 that's been around what for fifty sixty years? 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.359 Yeah, yeah, yeah, our company founder Carson Solheim. I mean, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:22.680 he wanted to democratize club fitting. He wanted to make 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.320 it available to everybody. What tour players could do to 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.880 tweak the lengths and shafts and grips and line goals 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:30.920 and color codes and builds, he wanted to pass that 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:32.720 to the everyday golfer. It's still what we're trying to 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.720 do today. And so what he did something very interesting. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.240 He came up with this, which is he was trying 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.080 to figure out you know, in the beginning of custom fitting, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.800 nobody knew kind of how to get started or what 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.600 to do, or any correlations or patterns. So he measured folks, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.280 all kinds of different measurements of folks, their height, their 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.800 arm lengths, their different biometrics, and he came up with 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.360 the system where if hey, if somebody, he put the 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.800 height on one axis and then the wrist a floor 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.880 when he had folks kind of stand and kind of hang, 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.600 relax and measure there there which is a proxy for 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.200 your arm length, which is a little bit of a 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.840 proxy for kind of your wingspan. And he found that 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.920 folks hit the best club in their bag. He asked him, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.800 what's the best club in their bag? Then he measured it. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.960 Then he plotted folks, and he put it on a 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.600 corkboard and different colors. He used different color pins on 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.760 this corkboard right in terms of what the lingel was 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.080 on their clubs. And sure enough, he used these different 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.800 colors for different lingels in the color code chart literally 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.200 emerged from his measurements on a corkboard. And that's the 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.359 origin story of the color code chart, in the origin 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.000 of really just being able to use that as the 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.760 foundation of custom fitting. We still use it today. 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.400 You think about a corkboard, and now you have something 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.440 like web fit that you can use online. I know 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.680 we talk so much about doing your homework before you 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.599 go get fit, but what's the importance for players to 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:59.680 maybe go online and do some homework before they go 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:01.320 get it A full fitting for irons? 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.719 Yeah, so, Shane, I mean I think a lot of 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.920 our customers out there, they hear you and I talk 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.400 about co pilot, and that's a tool that our fitters 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.920 use and where we've passed along a version of copilot 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:15.359 to our customers through a series of tools that are 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.880 right on our website. We just did redid our website 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.240 looks beautiful. Go on there, click on fitting and find 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.560 our webfit tools. And before you go in for your 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.400 iron fitting, go through our webfit. We call our webfit 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.200 full bag. It's our whole fitting process. And this helps 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.080 customers in two different ways. One, it's going to educate 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.720 them regardless of where you are, whether it's advanced player, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.000 maybe maybe somebody intimidated by the fitting process just getting 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.960 into the game, asking yourself questions am I good enough 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.080 to get fit? Go through webfit because it'll give you 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.919 a little overview of what the fitting process is going 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.680 to be like. It doesn't replace the fitting process on 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.720 a monitor with an expert, but it will help educate you, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.320 help you, give you some questions you should ask, and 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.000 it'll narrow your options down before you go in for 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.400 a fitting. So, because we have six different iron models 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.400 out there and all kinds of different options, this helps 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.760 narrow it down into one or two main options and 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.400 kind of like a playing a practice round for your fitting. 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.159 That's the way I like to think about all of 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.080 our webfit tools. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.720 I mean I think about ego a lot in terms 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.800 of getting fit for golf clubs, because you know, you 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.640 come in with a certain idea of what you want 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.840 to play, right. I mean, you could go, I'm gonna 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.039 be a blueprint guy. I want to be two forty guy. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.359 There is so many options. Like what's the importance of 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.520 just golfers coming in, like leaving their ego at the 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.800 door and just feeling like, let me, let me get 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:37.240 fit for what's going to make the most sense to 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:37.960 my golf game. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.760 Yeah. Yeah, I'm giggling a little bit shamee because I 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.560 had a friend colleague of mine come in, travel in 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:47.680 from out of town, come to the proving grounds and 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.320 he sent me like a novel before he came in. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.360 He's like, this is what I need. I need these 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:56.000 wedges and these shafts and this swingway in this grind. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.520 I'm like, hey, why do you need to come in? 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.000 Yeah? 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.760 Yeah, So yeah, it was a great I think example, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.560 I think of somebody coming in with kind of a 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.640 mindset of Okay, I'm pretty you know I want this, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.160 and he left with things totally different. A few of 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:15.080 the things we did, indeed do he was spot on 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:17.560 I think on his his grind, on his lob wedge 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.520 and what iron model. But he ended up in a 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.560 totally different shaft, different different color code than he was 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.880 coming in with, even a different grip then he was 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.840 coming in with. We did a split of it with 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.040 his long as Iron and id I a little bit differently. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:34.640 So absolutely, be very open minded because we have very 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:37.360 different offerings now then we used to. I think the 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.280 IDI for is a great example. You know, some of 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.240 our previous crossover type clubs, very low spin might not 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:44.800 be able to keep the ball near and be able 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.280 to hit the soft cut into the greens. Now our 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:51.560 four IDI does that. So we're always looking at solving 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.720 those problems, kind of evolving what our clubs and our 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.320 offerings do. So, yeah, being open minded going to the 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.520 fitting process is a beautiful thing. I had my own 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.040 personal experience with this lately. I was hitting a shaft 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:07.440 we're looking at for a stock offering, and a lot 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.560 of times in our player testing will paint the shafts black, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.720 so you don't know, there's no brand, interesting model designition. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.520 I love fitting that way where you know the product 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.360 is actually blind to you. So it's a great way 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.800 to do shaft fitting. And I ended up kind of 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.120 experimenting with that scheft because I didn't even know what 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.760 it was, but I knew I hit it really good 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:27.600 in our player testing. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.000 What about like launch monitor information? So the data you 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.559 get out of a launch monitor, what are you looking at? 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.760 What is a fitter looking at? What does a player 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.240 need to know in terms of what's coming out of 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.720 a launch monitor to maybe help them fit into the 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:42.280 right iron? 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.679 Okay, yeah, I think a good way for maybe consumers 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:48.880 or fitters to think about a launch monitor is you 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.480 got club delivery characteristics. Okay, these can be things like 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:57.360 angle of attack, swing direction, path, dynamic loft. That's kind 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.920 of things you're doing with your body movements to inform 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.560 the delivery of the club. Then you have the impact 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.800 of what's happening during the impact interval on the golf ball. 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.640 That's ultimately what matters. That's ball speed, launch, spin, spin axis. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.680 Then you have the results of how that manifests itself 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:18.040 in the trajectory. This is peak height, carry distance, land angle. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.200 All of those things also Shane very very important have 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.960 a certain spread or consistency level to them. So some 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:26.880 of these things we really want to tighten up. We 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.560 want to tighten up your for example, your spin consistency 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:32.720 and on a launch monitor that's your plus or minus 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:36.640 of spin or your stat area or the latest track 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.640 Man TPS software. In our pink co Pilot we assign 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.240 a strokes gain score, which can be super valuable. So 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:46.440 that being said, there's a lot of metrics, but you 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.200 don't want to do data overload. The primary ones kind 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.480 of to look at. We use our ball speed, launch 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.920 spin and then spin axis or side spin depending on 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.400 your launch monitor, and then we want to look at 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:03.720 where of those do we need one to tighten the consistency. Right, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:08.520 So there's the average metrics, then there's the repeatability or consistency, 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.600 and those are the core ones. With irons we want 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.559 to get you. We really care about your carry distance 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.199 but also your stopping power. So a lot of our 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.120 tools that we build with pink Copilot are to help 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.440 evaluate what is the right spin rate for you, And 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.520 that's an unanswered question by a lot of fitters out 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.200 there even is what is a good spin rate in 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.959 your irons? The common thing we've talked about in the 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.920 past is a lot of people are like a thousand 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:38.400 times the club number is good, right, seven iron, seven 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.160 thousand spin. That is not the case because if you 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.400 don't have a lot of speed, you're not going to 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.560 be able to generate that backspin. And so we have 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.600 great tools in Copilot with our stopping power app and 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.240 things of that nature help assess how much spin is 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.000 appropriate for you and where you're playing your golf. 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.640 Goes back to the IDI four iron conversation, right, the 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.840 fact that now you can in theory, get more spin 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:00.600 with a club like that we're back in the day 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.680 it would just come out like a Tim Wakefield knuckleball 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.800 or something. Right, just come out with no spin and 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.120 just go forever. We've talked a lot about the options 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.760 in terms of irons. Can you kind of walk us 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.760 through the irons like all the offerings of ping has 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.360 and maybe what they do for the golfer. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.640 Yeah, definitely, let's kind of maybe treat it as I 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.560 like thinking about our irons in terms of where the 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.520 player brings the speed, so our player's irons. This is 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.600 Blueprint T Blueprint S I two forty. Primarily you want 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.000 to think about, Okay, you the player are bringing the 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.400 speed to the table. Then within that, within that window, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.319 we have small, medium, large, So the Blueprint T smaller 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:41.920 heel toe length and when you when you reduce that 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.440 blade length, you're gonna be able. It's more like a 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.840 sports car or maybe you have a car with adjustable 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.839 steering settings and one's gonna be a little tighter, right, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.600 You're gonna be able to manipulate the ballfight, control the 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.800 face better. If you're a bit more of a shot maker. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.160 Your impact stat area, I like to say it, with 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.880 Blueprint t's you got to earn it. You got to 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.400 qualify to play those irons. Your impact stature needs to 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.800 be pretty tight. Now with a shorter blade length iron, 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.120 they're also going to turn over easier. And that's one 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.760 other thing that's pretty interesting on irons. So if somebody 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.800 likes to draw the ball a little bit more, shorter 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.440 blade length is gonna help with that. Then we go 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.439 to Blueprint as we'll call that kind of medium sized. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.040 That's the iron I play personally, give me a little 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:29.760 more forgiveness, very high MOI a little wider soul in 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:31.800 terms of the bounce to it, and then we go 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.600 to I two forty a little bit longer blade length 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.640 there as well generates a little bit more spin. Those 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.520 irons also have different launch conditions, So the T is 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.600 gonna go the lowest generally S is gonna launch and 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.559 spin a little bit more. To forty is going to 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.760 go a little bit higher. So we have kind of 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.000 different sizes along with different trajectories. Each of those irons 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.000 has a different bounce profile. I would say one thing 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.200 about the blueprint, as is fun to think about, is 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.480 that we pretty much modeled the soul and the turf 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.000 interaction after the S fifty five iron, Right, So a 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.120 lot of a lot of cult following to the S 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.679 fifty five, The blueprint S has the exact same turf 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.360 interaction soul. If you're kind of coming from that iron 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:11.960 or used to like that iron. 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.920 Is there do you are there certain pros on staff 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.360 that are playing the different iterations of those irons, Like 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.040 is there somebody that's playing T, somebody's playing S, somebody 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.240 that's even playing I two forty. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.480 Yeah, Harris English, Tony Fen. Now those are a classic 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.160 T man ball strikers. When I think the ultimate iron 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.680 ball striker, my brain goes to Harris English. I could 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.559 sit on the sit on the range of watching him 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.520 just absolutely flush those all day long. And then we 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.199 just have a we just have a tank load of 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:43.000 players playing the blueprint s, just tons of players playing 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.480 the blueprint s. I mean, Neil Shipley, he's like you. 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.400 He plays like I think if we count his wedges 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.520 being different, like five different iron models, if you go 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.679 through that, but the core of his set is kind 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:54.319 of blueprint s. And then he plays I think one 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.800 blueprint t in the short irons, and then I two forty. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.120 I mean we got you know, Victor's played our I 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.160 two hundred series iron for quite some time, a little 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.000 bit longer blade length, a little bit more bounce, and 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.760 certainly that I two forty iron very popular on the 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.640 LPGA tour because it generates a little more height, little 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.680 little bit more spin to it as well. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.559 What about I five forty, I mean, as you kind 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:21.000 of continue to navigate through the progressions of the ping offerings. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.960 Yeah, so let's say let's let's let's have the blueprint 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.480 ts I two forty is where the player brings the speed. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.120 Then we're gonna have this bucket of irons that the 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.320 iron itself is gonna add and supplement a bit of 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.680 distance for you or a lot of distance for you. Right, 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.680 and so we have I uh five forty is what 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.280 we call our player's distance iron. So the iron looks pure, 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.360 it's got a pretty small, nice compact packed blade length 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.400 to a shane, but it's the face is moving on 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.400 that iron, So it's it's you can almost think about 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.680 it is the face is behaving a little bit more 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.080 like a metal wood in terms of Okay, it's gonna 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.400 flex a bit and it's going to return that energy 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.720 to the ball. Now, the benefit is that you're going 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:06.840 to get more ball speed, a lot of ball speed 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.760 out of that iron, and that iron's gonna launch pretty 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.160 high and generate a pretty relatively high peak height. So 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:17.120 that's a great iron if you're maybe looking for a 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.320 little bit more distance in your long iron, I certainly 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.160 know there's a lot of players that do that. But 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.720 the full set design is something that if you're a 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.200 player that is maybe lost a little bit of distance, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.960 but you still find the center of the face often 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:32.440 and you like that compact blade length. The way the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.560 turf interaction is. But you you still want to hit 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.240 your eight iron from one sixty like you always have, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.800 and maybe you've been degrading a little bit and now 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.320 you're hitting at one forty five, but you want to 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.480 get back to one sixty. I five forty is a 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:47.840 tremendous product. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:48.040 There. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.840 One thing we've put a lot of effort into in 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.120 our player's distance iron is to make them hot without 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.520 hot spots. That is a really big deal. And make 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.920 them go high and land steep, and that's the secret 0:15:57.960 --> 0:15:59.080 sauce of the I five forty. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.920 And then you see on you've got G four forty 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.760 and G seven forty, so you kind of go into 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.720 game improvement and then super game improvement or basically those 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.160 two categories for players that might need a little bit 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.400 of help. Kind of going back to that, where's the 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.280 speed coming from? 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.320 Yeah, so G G four to forty again, face is 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.880 flexing a good bit. This is our iron, Shane. If 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.240 we had to throw every other iron out the window 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.040 and design one iron for the entire marketplace, it'd be 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:30.240 the four to forty, big lot of forgiveness, little wider soul. 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.520 Now that being said, they still look very attractive. The 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.720 four forties look very attractive in terms of the blade length, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.560 and we've kind of evolved our meat and potatoes G 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.680 series iron to look better over the years. But they 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.360 go high, they go really far, and they have a 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.080 ton of forgiveness. So if you're an eight to ten 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:54.920 handicapper above looking for the great all purpose workhorse iron 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.760 that's going to give you a lot of forgiveness, a 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:59.080 lot of height, plenty of distance. The four to forty 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.160 is the place to look. And then Shane, I am 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.919 personally very excited and candidly, I thought we had a 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.720 little bit of a gap in our iron offering by 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.639 not having a very very wide soul. So there's a 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:14.960 little bit of our teams kind of influencing feedback from 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.080 our fitters. We need a return of a very wide 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:22.240 soul iron, and the wide soul iron gives turf interaction forgiveness. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.000 So one piece of iron fitting to think about is 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.920 not only what do I need from launch conditions and workability, 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.919 how much forgiveness do I need from the soul design 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.840 and the bounce fitting. And so the G seven is 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.440 a little bit longer, he'll toe length, But the big 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.480 thing is the soul is very wide, very friendly being 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.080 that wide of a soul. And so if your delivery 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.680 is not perfect every single time, which is a big thing, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.280 if you're as your differentiator in skill levels your ability 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:53.800 to find the bottom of the ground and that low 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.679 point consistency, the seven forty is a fantastic offering and 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.000 they go super high and super far that iron. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.120 What about you know something I get ask a lot 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:06.520 about because I do the I do the wedges, like 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:08.440 I don't do the set wedges, you know, I mean, 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.680 I think there's obviously you could go set wedges, you 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.040 can go specialty wedges in terms of what you have 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.520 in your line up there? What do you tell people 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.119 that ask you that question, like what's more important in 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:18.679 that regard? 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.480 Yeah, I would love to get your feedback on it, 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:23.720 but I'll kind of give my take on this one. First, 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.520 Shane is so specialty wedges. So for example, maybe instead 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:30.280 playing the pitching wedge, you play the forty six, or 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.840 you play the fifty instead of the U wedge number one. 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.879 A little bit of psychology, you want that little bit 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.480 of psychology. Though, Okay, now I'm in the scoring zone, 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.520 I'm gonna be able to to stuff this shot in 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.960 there you're in the scoring zone from a full shot perspective, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.800 So that's number one. A little bit of preference there too. 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.920