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Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today I've got a couple of

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Speaker 1: cool guests on here, my hunting buddies, Cody Wilson and

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Speaker 1: Bradley Demmerman. Thanks for coming on the show today, guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having us, Dirk.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks Dirk.

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Speaker 1: This Uh, this episode is basically going to be kind

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Speaker 1: of a mid season update.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're at Elk Camp and uh, actually we're in town

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Speaker 1: by Oak Camp. We came into town to get some

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Speaker 1: more ice and and get a get a burger. We've

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Speaker 1: been on the mountain for a few days and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, a season for us down here has kind

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Speaker 1: of started.

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Speaker 2: Off with a bang.

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Speaker 1: We were backpacked in and we've been in there. How

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Speaker 1: how many days were we in there? Days? I think five,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it four or five?

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Speaker 2: Four or five? That's what I just said. Four or

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Speaker 2: five is what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we've been into Elk and Herd

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Speaker 1: Bugles and Chase Bugles every single day and had some

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Speaker 1: really close calls. Now, this kind of country we're hunting

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Speaker 1: is a little bit different than we're normally used to. Now,

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Speaker 1: probably Cody you probably get to hunt some kind of

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Speaker 1: open type country being you're a woman guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very similar. It's not this open

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Speaker 4: per se, but a lot a lot of similarities. Good pockets,

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Speaker 4: a timber and then you got some sagebrush, ridges and

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Speaker 4: draws and stuff like that. But pretty similar, just a

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Speaker 4: little less open.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I know, Bradley, were you you hunt and guide,

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Speaker 1: then it's a lot like the country I kind of

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Speaker 1: cut my teeth on hunting and lots of brush.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean where I hunt, it's like you

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Speaker 3: can have a forty yard pin on there, but you'll

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Speaker 3: never use it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okidding, right, less for some weird reason, you catch

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Speaker 1: one standing a clear cut, which don't happen too often now. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: uh so the three of us are hunting, We have tags,

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Speaker 1: we got cameraman Dusty follow us around capturing it all

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Speaker 1: on film. So you guys will be able to see

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Speaker 1: this show on on the YouTube's here at some point

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Speaker 1: on probably next year, after the first of the year.

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Speaker 1: So so far, so good. Like we none of us

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Speaker 1: have really hunted elk together before. Bradley and I have

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Speaker 1: hunted bears and mountain lions. Cody and I have hunted

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Speaker 1: bears together, but never elk. How do you think it's

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Speaker 1: going guys.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going great. I mean, first day it

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Speaker 3: was the first time i'd, like Dirk said, I'd hunted

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Speaker 3: elk with him, and he is. He's good at what

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Speaker 3: he does. He had a bowl in my lap. He

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Speaker 3: had a bowl in my lap the first morning, and

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Speaker 3: I messed it up. But you know that's archery el cutting.

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Speaker 3: And you actually called two bulls in already or the

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Speaker 3: first day. One came in so islent. If I would

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Speaker 3: have stayed put there, who knows what would have happened.

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Speaker 2: But you know, my A d D. I kind of

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Speaker 2: slipped down the hill a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But the other bull come in, and uh, I was

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Speaker 3: really what I was really you know they call you

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Speaker 3: the bugler, but I'm really impressed with your cow talks.

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Speaker 1: Really, yeah, you think they're good, They're awesome. That's my

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Speaker 1: biggest I feel like that's my biggest weakness. I'm my

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Speaker 1: cow calls suck.

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Speaker 3: I'm embarrassed to blow my cow talk all you guys.

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Speaker 3: Codes are codis are great, but uh, these elk there,

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Speaker 3: we've been We've had some really close calls in the

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Speaker 3: last five days and uh, but they've made us work

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Speaker 3: for it where it's not easy train and they're they're

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Speaker 3: definitely educated. You know, we're seeing hunters and these bulls

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Speaker 3: have been hunted a lot, you can tell. And uh,

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Speaker 3: we're just getting right there, but we haven't quite put

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Speaker 3: it together yet.

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Speaker 2: But we've got quite a few more days, so I

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got time. Yeah. Yeah. On that first

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Speaker 1: calling set up we did you there was a bullet

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Speaker 1: came in that was bugling, so you you snuck down

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Speaker 1: he came in and almost right to Cody, kind of

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Speaker 4: I think he caught my wind because I was up

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Speaker 1: Spooked out of there. Yeah, and then later that is

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Speaker 1: that the same day, then we got on another big

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Speaker 1: ripping bugles and and our motive operation. Since it's such

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Speaker 1: open country and and and all. Then we've kind of

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Speaker 1: a ways and not put too much pressure on the

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Speaker 1: snak sneak in, slip in and get close and let

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Speaker 1: you know. If the bull comes, great, If not, then

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Speaker 1: you're you're getting getting get into position and get a

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Speaker 1: narrow into him. But that was a nice bowl. He

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Speaker 1: kind of gave you the run around there for a bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did, you know.

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Speaker 4: He piped off when we were headed down the hill,

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Speaker 4: and me and Dusty slipped up and I caught a

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Speaker 4: I knew we could get closer, so me and Dusty

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Speaker 4: slipped up more. And when I got up there, he

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Speaker 4: bugled again. But when I popped over the hill to look,

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Speaker 4: just getting after raking, and I I just motioned to

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Speaker 4: Tree, you know, I could slip up there and put

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Speaker 4: he went down the hill after him. And then boy,

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Speaker 4: you guys slipped up and I think you yelled at him,

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Speaker 4: screamed at him. Yeah, and no, sooner than being dust,

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Speaker 4: he'd get around them trees. All I seen was antler

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Speaker 1: I just hit my.

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Speaker 4: Knees and drew my bow and he'd come up there

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a chance to range it. But it's

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Speaker 1: a long shot from them. Yeah, yeah, even at broadside

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Speaker 1: you did the right thing. It's kind of hard, you know.

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Speaker 1: You guy gets in that situation, You're like, oh man,

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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful bul.

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Speaker 1: I think I can do it, but man, that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a poke, especially for frontal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just not a shot that I'm comfortable taking.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would rather not take that shot than

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Speaker 4: boon that bowl. And you know, just have that all

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Speaker 4: my conscience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you never know, and you know he may

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Speaker 1: in a position to shoot him at twenty yards. It's

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Speaker 1: you have so many I've had so many times where

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Speaker 1: I've passed marginal or poor shots to where then another

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Speaker 1: one that was a chip shot was presented to me.

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Speaker 1: So no, it's it's okay to pass him up. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes you're just like, dang it, I really wish I

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Speaker 1: would have got that bull. Maybe I should have shot.

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Speaker 1: But if it goes bad, then you have to carry

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Speaker 1: might be bad. And it's it's hard, it's really hard.

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Speaker 4: So Well was fired up. You know, he was screaming.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't silent, right, he was yelling back at us.

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Speaker 4: And you know when a bull's fired up like that,

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Speaker 4: I just feel like, you know, if you just wait

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Speaker 4: up like that, I feel like the chances of having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you guys think about the weather here?

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Speaker 1: How's the weather been?

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Speaker 2: Well, we got snowed on dr.

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Speaker 1: Man, We've seen it all. We've seen beautiful bluebird days.

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Speaker 1: We've seen rain, saturating rain, we've seen snow and fog. Again,

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Speaker 1: we're on another bowl that was bugling pretty good the

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Speaker 1: other day the other morning and the fog Cody got

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Speaker 1: got up there in position, and man, I thought for

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Speaker 1: sure we're gonna get this bowl. And then it starts

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Speaker 1: snowing and sleeping, and the fog was thick as peace suit. Man,

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, This is gonna happen today. And it's just

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Speaker 1: those slippery old bulls just slipped through your fingertips.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes, yes, they do. Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 4: What the first three days we were here, it rained

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Speaker 4: even though it was foggy and rainy, and got up well,

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Speaker 4: that's when we chased that bull, and we thought it

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Speaker 4: was going to happen, and I thought it was too

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Speaker 4: because being dusty were I bet that bowl wasn't sixty

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Speaker 4: eighty yards three different times and then one time we

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Speaker 4: had him, he couldn't have been forty Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 4: he was close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the weather's been.

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Speaker 4: So hit and miss, but hopefully it cleared off today

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Speaker 4: and it's been nice and hopefully we get three or

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Speaker 4: four good days like this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you guys think? You know?

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Speaker 3: What I thought's odd down here where we're hunting is

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Speaker 3: what is it the twentieth of September? Yeah, yep, sure is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So what do you guys think about the like these

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Speaker 3: satellite bulls we're seeing, you know, just feeding by themselves,

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Speaker 3: And is that strange to you or is that just

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like that.

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Speaker 3: There was a rut fest before we got here in

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Speaker 3: the and the bulls are kind of this, you know,

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Speaker 3: the five points in the rag horn. The little rag

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Speaker 3: horns are kind of timid and they're not really interested.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Most of the bulls we chase, besides the two you

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Speaker 3: that's kind of really the only action I feel like

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Speaker 3: we've had as far as calling. But the you know,

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Speaker 3: we seen those bulls last night, those little rag horns

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Speaker 3: just feeding and bugle at them, and they wouldn't even

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Speaker 1: They run. Yeah. Yeah. And then last night again we

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Speaker 1: He didn't like us. He he pushed those cows and

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Speaker 4: than we got to the top and he was clear

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00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 4: down the ridge on the top quite a ways away,

434
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 4: like five hundred yards. So we booked it across the top,

435
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 4: and by the time we got to where it dropped

436
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 4: off down the ridge, he was already gone. Like he

437
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 4: bugled once in that saddle and then he dropped off

438
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 4: the other side.

439
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 2: He was gone. Yeah.

440
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't stick around for nothing, right, crazy.

441
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just he had his five or six girlfriends

442
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 3: and he was happy and he just figured, ain't gonna

443
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 3: take no chances and fight. I'm just gonna get him

444
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 3: out of here.

445
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't be greedy. Yeah, take these ladies and

446
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 1: run right.

447
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 4: The weird thing is we haven't seen like big herds,

448
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,160
Speaker 4: Like there's not you know, a bull, a giant bull

449
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 4: with thirty cows or forty or whatever, and you have

450
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 4: like ten or fifteen satellite bulls around it.

451
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that just hasn't happened. No, they're all broke

452
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: into like small herds. Yeah, very So there's been some

453
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: some like that bull that we're talking about here, that

454
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: was that that tookies ca. He's a nice bowl, but

455
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: he wasn't a giant, no. And then we've seen a

456
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 1: couple other bulls about that size with cows and then

457
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,959
Speaker 1: those big bulls with cows too. But but it's almost

458
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 1: like they've kind of broke up the big herds into

459
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: little herds. And then they're as soon as soon as

460
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: they get they hear a bugle and a little bit

461
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: of a little bit of pressure close to them, they're like, oh,

462
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: we got to get out here, ladies. I don't want

463
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: to share you time to go.

464
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, on that bowl last night, you know he had

465
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 3: his well you guys were watching them more night, what

466
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: four or five cows or six maybe, But then he

467
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 3: also had those three spikes. Yeah, yeah, No like little

468
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: satellite raghorn or nothing with them.

469
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: He just had his yep, just a little family there right,

470
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 1: looked like well they had just went. The funny thing

471
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 1: is that they just went across a hillside and left

472
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: the country where that we and then like ten minutes

473
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: later we look up on the hill and there's those

474
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: two two raghorns we were talking about, there's feeding next

475
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: to each other, and they went right by them. And

476
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: those bulls didn't get into the action at all. They

477
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: just they just let everything back by Ye, so.

478
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 4: They didn't even act like they were interested. No, yeah,

479
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 4: they just kept on feeding.

480
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a shift gears here, guys. We've got our

481
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Speaker 1: our our Q and a segment. It's sponsored by Pendleton

482
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 1: Whiskey Letterbuck. So here's the question. This is from Instagram

483
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: profile names Jaden Maine. I think and it's a dude. Yeah,

484
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: let's see question. I live out here in Utah. I've

485
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: heard and seen from my other buddies they've been on

486
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: elk in a rut frenzy. Last night when I went out,

487
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: I had a good bowl with eight cows and a

488
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: raghorn all together. Not a couch erp a bugle anything.

489
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: We bugled, cow called and nothing. It's a pretty good

490
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: trail that a lot of hikers, bikers and what not

491
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: are on. So I'm not sure if the elk are

492
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: just quiet because all the traffic, But we couldn't seem

493
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: to get a callback from them. Is it best to

494
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: try and sneak it? Sneak in just quietly spot in

495
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: stock Also he was pawing the ground raking brush. Just

496
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: never heard of bugle or would commit to the cow calls.

497
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, guys, what would you do if

498
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: that was if those elk were in your hunting spot.

499
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a tough situation. The trains,

500
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 4: you know, going to play a role in that. But

501
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: I would say, if he's not answering to anything, bugles,

502
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 4: cow calls, they just won't answer. If you can hear

503
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 4: him raking, I would rake as well. I would use

504
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: them little things, you know, break brush, stuff like that.

505
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 4: And I've seen it before where will not respond to

506
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: bugles or cow calls, and if you just take the time,

507
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 4: you know, if you can, if you kind of know

508
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: where they're at and get as close as you can

509
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: without bumping them. I would assume if if you can

510
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: hear a bull raking, you're close enough. But I would

511
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: I would just move mcham. I would use you know,

512
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 4: breaking brush, raking trees. And I've seen it a lot

513
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 4: of times where if you do that without even bugling

514
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: or cow calling, he will finally get tired of it

515
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 4: and he will respond and you can pinpoint him and

516
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 4: play the game from there.

517
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what do you think?

518
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I agree with Cody, but well, it sounds

519
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: like a lot of cows there sounds like me. And

520
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: one thing for sure, there's apparently not a cow in

521
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 3: heat right now, because I believe he would be making noise.

522
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: My first thoughts were, well, he mentioned that it was

523
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: kind of a lot of hikers around there and stuff.

524
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: But I mean, I mean, as there are a lot

525
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: of hunters as well. If there's if it's not where

526
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: you think there's a lot of hunters, you know, you

527
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: might just give it a day or two and and

528
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 3: and come back and not bump them out of there,

529
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 3: you know, And you know, I mean, those cows are

530
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: going to come in heat any day, you know, and

531
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 3: then you can hear some noise. He probably won't I

532
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: feel like a bull like that with that many cows,

533
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: he probably won't leave his cows. But if you had

534
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: a buddy, you know, kind of like we're doing, you know,

535
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 3: keeping them bugle bugling in, and then you could slip

536
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: in on him.

537
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: A lot of eyes there. It sounds like, you know,

538
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: something you might try.

539
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: But you know, if you feel like there's going to

540
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: be a hunter park there the next day, and you

541
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: better go for it now. I definitely try what what

542
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: Cody said, and and you know, maybe just quiet down

543
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: on the calls and breake some brush and and be

544
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: patient or you know, try to stalk, you know, and

545
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 3: and you know, but you know how that.

546
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Is with with all the eyes right, all the cows.

547
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Speaker 2: But what's your thoughts, Dirk?

548
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: No, I agree one hundred percent with both of you guys.

549
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: I think and sometimes I think people get in too

550
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: big of a hurry, myself, myself included. Probably I'm probably

551
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: the worst one. Well Bradley just raised his hand. But

552
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I have a hard time of like playing the slow

553
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: game on some of these elk and I have to

554
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: always have to remind myself I'm on the elks time schedule,

555
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: not mine, and they have nothing better to do than

556
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: eat and then go lay down or fool around or

557
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: whatever they're doing. That's what they that's what they're doing,

558
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: and if I try to change that, it may or

559
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: may not go my way. So if they're not calling

560
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 1: like that, then I would definitely just put away the calls.

561
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: And I love I love that whole getting close and

562
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: raking things. Some of that non vocal noise elk noise

563
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you can make will sometimes just get them coming. He

564
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: may not even bugle, but he just may come over

565
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: there and he if you keep your head on this swevel,

566
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: he may just wind up right in your lap doing

567
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. How close would you say?

568
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Like? What what?

569
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: Let's say you've seen them, you you tried your calls,

570
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: nothing work. Let's say there you're on one hillside there

571
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: on another with a little intermixed intermixed trees and stuff.

572
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: How what are you gonna do? Are you gonna try

573
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: to get a little closer maybe? Are you gonna get

574
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: above them? Below them? Same same topographical topographical line? What

575
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: do you what do you think? In Cody?

576
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 4: I mean for me, it's you know, it all is

577
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: get a very on terrain cover. You know what the

578
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 4: wind's doing. But if I can come in on the

579
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: same level and have cover or some terrain feature, that

580
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 4: is gonna you know, cover me when.

581
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm moving right.

582
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I want to come in on the same level.

583
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 4: I want to make it as easy as I can

584
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 4: for that bowl to come to me. Yeah, you know,

585
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 4: if I'm going to try and call or you know, rake, whatever,

586
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: I want that bowl to have like the path of

587
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: least resistance, you know it. If I'm trying to call

588
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: him uphill, I would say seventy five eighty percent of

589
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: the time that bull's not going to come especially if

590
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 4: there's you know, thick brush or dense timber downfall stuff

591
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: like that, he's gonna be he's just gonna be like, no,

592
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: I ain't doing that right, But ideally I want to

593
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: come in on the same level right and it you know,

594
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 4: just keep the wind right and you know it should

595
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: work out.

596
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: Make sure they can hear you, you know, I mean,

597
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: because you know, like you said, the train, you know,

598
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: if there's a little ridge or something in front of you,

599
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, that really cuts down the sound. He might

600
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: not hear your raking. But you know that's a fine line.

601
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: You got to be dang careful you don't blow the

602
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: herd too.

603
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you can get in there where you

605
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: know he can hear.

606
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: You, yep, calling it for me, calling of any kind,

607
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: you have to make sure you make it super easy

608
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: for that elk to come to you.

609
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

610
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: So if you see obstacles, do you see like a

611
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: patch of let's say there's been an old burn there

612
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: and there's a whole bunch of extra timber that had

613
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: fallen down with reprod growing up to the middle of it.

614
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: That's not fun to go through. Even for an elk.

615
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: So if you have a barrier like that between you

616
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: and that elk, you're gonna have to like figure something

617
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: else out. Maybe there's a big rock face and it's

618
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: just like man, I don't you know it's it's gonna

619
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: be really hard. So you have to like play kind

620
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: of play that smart tactical game and then like like

621
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: I said, play be patient. Maybe right now when you

622
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: see them, it's just not a good move. There's no

623
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: good moves to make. That's one hundred percent fine. Just

624
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: sit down and watch them. Just you know, be lazy,

625
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: be passive, whatever you want to call it. Just just

626
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: give it some time, because that those elk are going

627
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: to stay there all day. Eventually they're going to move

628
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: off somewhere else to where it's a place that you'll

629
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: have a better approach, Maybe you'll have better cover, Maybe

630
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna go lay down somewhere. Just just take your time,

631
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: and usually, you know, something will a situation will present itself.

632
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: It's it's better than the one you're in right now.

633
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, some of them bulls that won't answer

634
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: are not very vocal. I mean sometimes you have to

635
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: played a long game with them.

636
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just.

637
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: Sit back and observe and wait till they are in

638
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 4: the right spot to where you can either stop them

639
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: or wait for him to fire up.

640
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like Bradley said, if you're in an area

641
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: where you don't if you don't have a bunch of

642
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: hunters competing for these elk, then yeah, I would sometimes

643
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: even leave elk. I mean they say that kind of

644
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: goes against the old don't leave elk to find elk.

645
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: But sometimes if if that's the game you're trying to play,

646
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, to call one in. Maybe I'm gonna let

647
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: him simmer for a couple of days and you come

648
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: back and it's a whole different elk. Like day to

649
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: day is so different on elk. You know, well, yeah,

650
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: go ahead, Bradley, Sorry, Cody, you know, just being back

651
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: to being patient. You know, if you if you can want,

652
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: especially if you can see him bed. I mean you

653
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: call it midday madness.

654
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: You know, I wouldn't be surprised, you know, this guy

655
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: just kind of was patient, and his cows betted he

656
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: might bugle on his own in the middle of the

657
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 3: day or something, you know, or he might finally answer

658
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: you back.

659
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: But I always like to bet a bull.

660
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you're in a pretty good position if his

661
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: cows are laying down and he's kind of just he's

662
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: more I feel like I've had better lucky than bulls,

663
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: especially the herd bulls coming to me when his cows.

664
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: Are laying down. Yeah.

665
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of cool tricks, you know, with

666
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: base map and on X and stuff. You know, you

667
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: can drop little pins if you know where they're betted

668
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: kind of, and you can get you know, two hundred

669
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: yards up there and he and then do the old

670
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: rake the tree like Cody's saying, you know, once they're betted,

671
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: and that bull, you know, he knows all his cows

672
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: are laying there and they're kind of betted. He he'll

673
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: sneak over and Okay, who's trying to intrude here. You know,

674
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: I've had really luck betted cows, you know, and betted

675
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: bulls in the middle of the day, having them come

676
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: in you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're more likely to

677
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: get in their zone.

678
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah and there. Yeah, they're more likely to leave those

679
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: cows if their cows are content not going anywhere.

680
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

681
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

682
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: Well, and it also begs the question, I mean, it

683
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 4: sounds like it's close to a main trail, Like, maybe

684
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: they're not talking because the milk have already been bumped

685
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: two or three times.

686
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: If there's hikers and.

687
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: Stuff like that, Yeah, you know, maybe he's already been

688
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: disturbed several times.

689
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, right, yeah, well that's a that was a

690
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: good question. Thanks Jaden. If if anybody else has questions

691
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: you want us to answer on here, email us at

692
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: ct D at Phelps game calls dot com. All right,

693
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: so well we have we've what's our next plan. We're

694
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: gonna go out try a new spot for a couple

695
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: of days, or I think we're gonna try a couple

696
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: just day hunts. We're not gonna backpack in until we

697
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: kind of get get some uh some verification that there's

698
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: some elk in the country, some water in the country,

699
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: because that's pretty more important to if you're going to

700
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: be staying back there camping, that we have to have

701
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: water for drinking water and for food. I think tonight.

702
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: Kind of talked about maybe just going up here and

703
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: finding a camping spot down low and we will all

704
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 4: jump in the same truck and bomb up there and

705
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: go do some glass and some road bigling and see

706
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: what we can't here, and like you said, do a

707
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 4: couple of day hunts and see if we can get

708
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: into them, and if we do, we'll go in there

709
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: and stay a few days.

710
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think also looking for where the other hunters

711
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: are at. Are there Are there a lot of hunters

712
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: in the area. Do we want to commit and spend

713
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of time here or are the trailheads just

714
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: covered up? Are there people just everywhere? Just try to

715
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: find a place that there's not a bunch of people

716
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: and then then we can commit to something like that.

717
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: Right where do you think Bradley is a pretty good plan?

718
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 3: I think that's a good plan, you know, try to

719
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 3: find us a little home. The weekend's rolling up on us.

720
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: You know. We just drove down the highway a little ways.

721
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: And I noticed a lot of over half those rigs

722
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: were hunters. Oh, like you know, so I think it's

723
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a busy weekend. So

724
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: I think just kind of it's kind of fun to

725
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: explore a little and find a new spot. And we

726
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: hunted that spot what three days?

727
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: Four days?

728
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: And I just like to find new country and new

729
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: elk and and see, so I think it's a great plan.

730
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, great plan.

731
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's good too.

732
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of areas right next to

733
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: the main road that people drive right by and overlook. Yep,

734
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: right road blind to night might be a good thing.

735
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 4: We might find a pocket full of belt right that's

736
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 4: not far off the.

737
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: Road, right.

738
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like we're that bull roan that that ran

739
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: off the mountain that didn't want to fight out in

740
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: the desert, down in the desert, out in the like,

741
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: he's pretty close striking distance.

742
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: To a row.

743
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: So you might just see some elk pretty easy, a

744
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: quick hike from the road or whatever, and you be

745
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: on them. So I feel like this time of year,

746
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: elk are moving, whether they're running or whether hunters are

747
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: pushing them around, so they could turn up just about anywhere. Right. Well, man,

748
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: this has been so fun so far, really great hunt.

749
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: We've had some tough conditions. The terrain is not easy.

750
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: It's very vertical, very high elevation. We've had every big

751
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: whether you can ask for, except for blazing hot and

752
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: today's pretty warm. But I look forward to the rest

753
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: of our time here. It's been fun with you guys.

754
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: You've been easy to easy to be with and hunt

755
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: with and I can't wait for some more fun to

756
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: unfold here. I think we're just getting started, really, I.

757
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: Think it's just a matter of time. We'll have some

758
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: hopefully a couple of oak on the ground. And you know,

759
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 4: it's been good. Camaraderie's awesome. Camps have been great. I

760
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 4: mean it's been awesome.

761
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well all right, Well I'll give you guys,

762
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: our listeners, uh, more updates here after hunting season's over,

763
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: when Jason Phelps and I get back together and we'll

764
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: get on here and kind of rehash and kind of

765
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: tell how the seasons ended up. So hope everybody's out

766
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: elk cutting right now. If not, maybe next year. But man,

767
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: just if it's just a weekend, you know, I guess,

768
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, just make it happen. Just get out and

769
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: have some fun and enjoy the set what September brings

770
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: every year. So thanks for listening, everybody. Thanks, uh Cody

771
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: and and Bradley. Appreciate you guys coming on and we'll

772
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: see everybody next time.

773
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, appreciate it.

774
00:37:47,120 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: Thanks for having us, Thanks for having us.

775
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Speaker 1: A