WEBVTT - NFL Draft Preview with Josh Norris (4/24/2017)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal. I'll that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be happy for dake Edo State? Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tye, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 2>the solid verbal. Boys and girls. My name is Ty

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<v Speaker 2>hilden Brandt. Thatat man over there on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the line, his name is Dan Rubinstein in New

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<v Speaker 2>York City. Sir, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Dan Rubinstein. As far as you know, I'm good. Ty.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is good. It's uh god, I'm five weeks out.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, Yeah, he was gonna say it, Bliss. Are there

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<v Speaker 2>any nerves you're getting nervous? No, Ty, things are coming

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<v Speaker 2>together pretty nicely. So I got my suits and I

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<v Speaker 2>need to go get a new shirt. I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>a nice new fitted dress shirts. But uh no, Ty,

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<v Speaker 2>the draft of this week. So I'm very excited that

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<v Speaker 2>we're having Josh Norris on from NBC and rhotal Worlds.

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<v Speaker 1>Let you know has sprung. Tie life is just grand.

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<v Speaker 2>A fantastic follow in the Twitter sphere. If you're into

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<v Speaker 2>such things, don't forget you can't follow us. It's solid verbal.

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<v Speaker 2>But our guest of Vanna this evening is at Josh

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<v Speaker 2>Norris will bring him on momentarily to talk about all

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<v Speaker 2>things NFL Draft. What are you doing for the draft?

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<v Speaker 2>You got anything special planned?

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<v Speaker 1>Ty, I'm glad you asked. We here at espanation dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a website. Are doing a four to five hour

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how long the draft lasts. We're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>big live draft party, so okay, we are. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>giant set all of Espianation, the studio here in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be doing some fun things. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>multiple desks and sets and it's gonna get very strange.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna have a pizza topping draft at a certain point.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what knock I think it's called knocker ball.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I never never heard of that in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, it's those big puffy ball suits that you

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<v Speaker 1>just run into each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well okay, yeah, not sumo suits, but they're like the

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<v Speaker 2>big the thing. It's called knockerball. Okay, So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have fun with those.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. Jeff Schwartz former Oregon Duck and New York

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<v Speaker 1>Giant and Minnesota Viking great friend of the show. He

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<v Speaker 1>was on the scheme Theme Month last year. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to just hurt people. I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>say he will.

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<v Speaker 2>He will win the knocker Ball contest.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is. I mean, he was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>beat up throughout his career, but he is fully healthy

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, even at like hash strength, I would think he

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<v Speaker 2>would still be able to run roughly through the office.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was here last week and six seven, three

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<v Speaker 1>thirty is very real. It is a very tangible thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna have fun with that. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have all sorts of fun. So I would strongly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>espionation dot com, YouTube dot com, slash Espienation, Facebook dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>slash espionation if I can get in some. I have

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<v Speaker 1>no shame for those plugs. But I really think people

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this, because there will be a college and

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<v Speaker 1>NFL component with it being the Draft, will really enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>how it is going to be the literal polar opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not literal of like ESPN, Fox, NFL Network Coleridge.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have to check that out. Please do thank

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<v Speaker 2>you to everyone out there who who tuned in, and

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<v Speaker 2>specifically those of you who waited two weeks to get

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<v Speaker 2>our last show. As you've now heard, we put a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of extra elbow grease into that one. When

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit different with our format, it's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be thank you and you too. I was really excited

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<v Speaker 2>about the way it turned out. I know it might

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<v Speaker 2>not have been everyone's cup of tea, but as you

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<v Speaker 2>saw last year with our Verbie show, we try to

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<v Speaker 2>mix and match a little bit here in the off

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<v Speaker 2>season to keep ourselves young and creative and to.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep ourselves young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh man, that ship a sale tie, but we

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<v Speaker 2>hope you enjoyed it. We got a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>positive feedback, so thank you for that. We do have

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<v Speaker 2>some other plans for that format in the near term

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<v Speaker 2>here as the off season plods forward, so stay tuned

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<v Speaker 2>for that and uh and much much more.

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<v Speaker 1>Ty you. It was. It was a fun ride. People

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<v Speaker 1>liked it. They did you like to say, keep it balanced,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like ninety nine point three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people same to respond positively.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's good, good, Yeah, I'm glad I liked it

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Norris from NBC and Roto World. Gonna talk some

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<v Speaker 2>NFL draft which, as you know, is coming up at

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<v Speaker 2>the later part of this week. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, so

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of football for the fans out there

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<v Speaker 2>to imbibe. Josh, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Is an absolute honor, Guys, I really appreciate it. I'm great.

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<v Speaker 3>How are y'all?

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<v Speaker 1>We are? We are doing quite well.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to ask you a very pointed question here

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<v Speaker 2>as we jump right in and talk about the NFL Draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've been covering this from all angles. I

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<v Speaker 2>wake up on a Saturday morning, I see that you've

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<v Speaker 2>charted all like five hundred ninety two of the Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Kaiser's throws and why they were or weren't a good thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are there so many bad picks?

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh? I think that's a good question. I would say

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<v Speaker 3>a big part of it is the lack of cohesiveness

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<v Speaker 3>between the decision makers in terms of scout and GMS

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<v Speaker 3>in the front office versus coaches. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of time we look at the NFL and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>put it on a pedestal, as you know, organizations that

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<v Speaker 3>run smoothly. Yet there are thirty two different ones, and

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<v Speaker 3>we know absolutely that many of them do not. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean you see that in the turnover every single year.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I think the part of that is also,

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<v Speaker 3>once there is turnover, the owner goes in like the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite direction of what the former head coach was, and

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<v Speaker 3>then that head coach wants to change the entire roster

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<v Speaker 3>to fit his style. And the lack of patience. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to say it shouldn't happen, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it absolutely plays into the development of these players

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<v Speaker 3>once they get in the lead.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just amazing because pretty much from the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the college football season straight through now till like early

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<v Speaker 2>May because they're doing the draft later, this is all

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<v Speaker 2>you hear about. It's a constant character study into each

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<v Speaker 2>of these prospects, and yet it seems more often than

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<v Speaker 2>not there are more misses than hits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean even if you look in the

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<v Speaker 3>first round, like I kind of ask myself this, whenever

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<v Speaker 3>the first round is complete, like thirty percent of these

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<v Speaker 3>guys are going to fail. You know they're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be busted, and at the time everyone is mostly pleased

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<v Speaker 3>with first rounders. Then even in my head, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>which maybe ten of these is not going to make it,

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<v Speaker 3>And at times it's tough to get to ten. And

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<v Speaker 3>that happens. I mean, Look, I actually think one of

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<v Speaker 3>the favorite we my favorite part of the draft is

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<v Speaker 3>seeing which prospect that rank in like the top fifty,

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<v Speaker 3>top twenty five, whatever to somehow fall to Day three,

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<v Speaker 3>rounds four and five and then ultimately end up as

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<v Speaker 3>quality players. I think that's the funnest part of the

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<v Speaker 3>draft for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh, where is the biggest chasm between who college football

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<v Speaker 1>fans are positive is excellent and what NFL people think

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<v Speaker 1>and or in the other direction, who NFL type scouts, gms, whoever, writers,

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<v Speaker 1>draft and analysts think is just wonderful and college fans

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<v Speaker 1>are like, really him, where's that chasm?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so let's go with that second one. I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>going to say that college fans think he's bad, but

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he didn't even start for his collegiate program

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<v Speaker 3>during his final season for most of it. And I

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<v Speaker 3>would go with Alvin Kamara. The NFL really really likes

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<v Speaker 3>Alvin Kamara, really likes Alvin Kamara. In fact, a number

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<v Speaker 3>of teams are contemplating Joe Mixon versus Alvin Kamara in

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<v Speaker 3>their head. And if they don't want to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>the Joe Mixon situation, which many of them won't, then

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<v Speaker 3>I think that they pivot over to Alvin Kamara. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>this is someone who obviously showed a lot during when

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<v Speaker 3>he had his opportunities and absolutely fits the NFL game

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of being a passing down back, but also

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<v Speaker 3>possibly can be more than that. We just don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he's ever touched the ball more than

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen times in a game ever, at least during his

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<v Speaker 3>collegiate career. On the opposite side of that, it's always

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<v Speaker 3>a fun question. I would say the easy answer is

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<v Speaker 3>someone who is highly productive at the college level and

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<v Speaker 3>then gets questioned on that productivity if it can translate

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<v Speaker 3>to the NFL. And I think that every year there's

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<v Speaker 3>a few of those, and this year I would point

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<v Speaker 3>to Derek Barnett. I really would dang at Tennessee. Derek

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<v Speaker 3>Barnett to me, I really like it. Let me start

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<v Speaker 3>by saying that I really like him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to say that, but I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Not sure if he can consistently beat athletic left tackles

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<v Speaker 3>immediately off the snap in terms of his explosion in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of off the three steps. I think he has

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<v Speaker 3>got great bend for his size, and I think his

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<v Speaker 3>motor is outstanding. I think frequently he took advantage of

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<v Speaker 3>heavy footage offensive blindman in college football, and we even

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<v Speaker 3>know that like thirty two NFL teams aren't played at

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<v Speaker 3>their tackle play and then you extrapolate that down to

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<v Speaker 3>the college level and it's it's really really poor. Again.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Derek Barnette, but in terms of someone who

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<v Speaker 3>was one of the most productive Edussiers we've ever seen

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<v Speaker 3>come into the draft, I still think he goes top fifteen,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wouldn't rank him there.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the fact that Tennessee players are both overrated

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<v Speaker 1>and underrated. I like that is a that is a

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<v Speaker 1>very wrong plain.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very much Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. One is when you are looking, you know at

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<v Speaker 1>that same transition from college to pro which position And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's this year specific, but trend wise,

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<v Speaker 1>would you say, you know, this type of blank position

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<v Speaker 1>never would have been evaluated this way five, ten, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, But because of the way both the college

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<v Speaker 1>game and NFL game have gone, we're seeing a new

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<v Speaker 1>type of blank be taken. Seriously, Is there a position

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<v Speaker 1>that has evolved in the way it's been evaluated. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess in a dramatic sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and I think it's the third corner spot or

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<v Speaker 3>the fifth defensive back spot on an NFL team. There

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<v Speaker 3>are a number of corners that are being looked at

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<v Speaker 3>as solely slot corners, and that might have a negative

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<v Speaker 3>connotation to it, but it shouldn't. In fact, one is

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<v Speaker 3>Colorado's j Adobe A Woozier, who I think has a

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<v Speaker 3>strong chance of ending up in Round one, and he

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<v Speaker 3>might solely be a slot guy, and that's perfectly fine.

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<v Speaker 3>The Tennessee Titans are very interested in JUDOBEI Woozy, especially

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<v Speaker 3>if they trade out of eighteen, to keep that in mind.

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<v Speaker 3>And even you know, fifth like a third safety spot,

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<v Speaker 3>right and so act as your third defensive back. And

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<v Speaker 3>those guys are just on the field sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the time, you know. And and to go back one

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<v Speaker 3>question as well, it makes things even more interesting for

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<v Speaker 3>a guy like Jr. Bill Peppers. So for me, even

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<v Speaker 3>though he didn't technically play the spot, I think block

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<v Speaker 3>corner might be his best position. He's certainly not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be an off ball linebacker. But this whole safety talk,

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<v Speaker 3>it's difficult because the projection, we haven't really seen him

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<v Speaker 3>in that area, and the NFL kind of relies on

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<v Speaker 3>things they've seen in the past. So to me, slock

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<v Speaker 3>corner might be his best position in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned you're brill Pepper is now some breaking news

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<v Speaker 2>or developing news about him testing positive for a diluted sample.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean and what is his status now

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<v Speaker 2>as he moves into the NFL. Do people like him

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<v Speaker 2>or not? Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the people who are most happy about this

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<v Speaker 3>are Ruben Foster's party, that's for sure, because he's not

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<v Speaker 3>alone anymore. You know what's interesting, and this is this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't football talk. This is just kind of talking about

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<v Speaker 3>the process. I think it's interesting that Ruben Foster and

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<v Speaker 3>even prospects in the last two years have kind of

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<v Speaker 3>taken a hold of their narrative in terms of gotten

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of a story like this. But to grip Peppers didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first prospect in the last three years

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<v Speaker 3>that actually had this kind of news broken via a

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<v Speaker 3>media source and wasn't a part of it because that

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we used to hear all the time about

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<v Speaker 3>these drug tests being failed to combine, but we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>in the last two years unless the prospect admitted to it,

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<v Speaker 3>like Ruben Foster did this week. Okay, So I think

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<v Speaker 3>that in the first round Peppers has a small or

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<v Speaker 3>shallow pool in terms of teams that might be super interested.

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<v Speaker 3>I would throw at the Tampa Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They

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<v Speaker 3>need a slot corner and they need a safety. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>I think a big part of it is we just

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how successful he will be at his position

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<v Speaker 3>that he's projected to because he played a different one

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<v Speaker 3>during his final you know, games at Michigan, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's always a difficult proposition. And I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in this type of corner class and defensive back

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<v Speaker 3>class at fifteen, will really feel that comfortable with him

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<v Speaker 3>in the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me shift gears a little bit. You've got Christian

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<v Speaker 2>McCaffrey as your eleventh best overall player at least on

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<v Speaker 2>the last set of rankings that I saw. He is

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<v Speaker 2>not a prototypical running back, if only because he's smaller

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<v Speaker 2>at like five to eleven round two hundred pounds, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you tend to think that he can be a primary

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<v Speaker 2>back in the NFL. Why do you feel that way?

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<v Speaker 3>And I guarantee you you guys will back me up

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<v Speaker 3>on this or I might be wrong, who knows, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think people will will look at that size that

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<v Speaker 3>he just mentioned and say, well, he's just a passing

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<v Speaker 3>down back. He's just a back heet to cap As touches.

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<v Speaker 3>But then if we I mean generally we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>these college teams and college prospects projecting to the NFL,

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<v Speaker 3>and like so often this like quote unquote mythical pro

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<v Speaker 3>style offense comes up. I mean, you don't get more

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<v Speaker 3>pro style than Stanford's often, especially in the running game.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he has to run behind power, he has

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<v Speaker 3>to run up behind multiple titan sets, multiple fullbacks at times.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, all this guy did was run between the

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<v Speaker 3>tackles twenty plus times a game, entered vision and patience,

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<v Speaker 3>and picked up difficult yards, and then was extremely special

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<v Speaker 3>when used out in space or getting to the second

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<v Speaker 3>or third level. Man, I love Christian McCaffrey. The more

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<v Speaker 3>you watch, the more you realize he really can be

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<v Speaker 3>a primary piece of a passing offense and a running offense.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why I have him as a top running deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, well, and to Dan's previous question, it

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<v Speaker 2>does feel like the league has changed a little bit, right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's gone more passing. If you can catch balls out

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<v Speaker 2>of the backfield, that makes you a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>valuable as an asset. And it feels like the league

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<v Speaker 2>has changed in such a way that Christian McCaffrey now

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<v Speaker 2>fits in better this fite his smaller stature than he

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<v Speaker 2>might have, say ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Look Like, at the very least, you're getting like a

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<v Speaker 3>theoretic At the very least, they're getting like a CGA

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<v Speaker 3>proside a Shane vere right, a guy that you can

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<v Speaker 3>put in the backfield and then motion out as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But again, I mean theoretics might have been a running back,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like anytime he's asked to run the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>he struggles. So you in an offense that might have

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<v Speaker 3>already some dynamic personnel groupings, either with twelve personnel or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>that they can really dictate matchups to the defense, adding

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<v Speaker 3>a guy a Christian McCaffrey, where theoretically you could start

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<v Speaker 3>with two in line tight end and McCaffrey and single back,

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<v Speaker 3>and then have your quarterback back up in the shotguns

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<v Speaker 3>both of those tight ends split out wide along with

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<v Speaker 3>Christian McCaffrey. That changes the entire dynamic of what the

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<v Speaker 3>offense is presenting to the defense, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>what something McCaffrey offers.

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<v Speaker 2>The other story that I know a lot of college

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<v Speaker 2>are interested in is which quarterback goes first slash how

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<v Speaker 2>many quarterbacks go in the first round. The four big

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<v Speaker 2>names are Deshaun Kaiser, Mitch Trubisky, Mitchell Mitchell, Mitchell Trubisky,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, Deshaun Watson, and Patrick Mahomes the second. If

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<v Speaker 2>we're being specific here, I gotta be honest, in my

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<v Speaker 2>heart of hearts, I don't truly feel like any of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are truly transcendent enough to justify a first

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<v Speaker 2>round pick. But that's just me.

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<v Speaker 3>So Dan knows this. This will be the second straight

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<v Speaker 3>year where I don't think a first round quarterback exists

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<v Speaker 3>in the draft. Now, I was obviously wrong with Dak

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<v Speaker 3>Prescott last year. I was obviously wrong. I mean the

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<v Speaker 3>entire enough I was, but I was wrong with them.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't like here at golf last there were many

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<v Speaker 3>questions that people just didn't bring up. Okay, so let

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<v Speaker 3>me fast forward to this year. I am not confident

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<v Speaker 3>at this moment to decide between Deshaun Watson and Mitchard

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<v Speaker 3>Trudisky as the first quarterback off the board, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think both go in the top ten. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>Bears at three more and more beat writers are linking

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<v Speaker 3>the two, and I think it makes sense even with

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<v Speaker 3>the Mike Lennon signing, because that contract can be whittled

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<v Speaker 3>down to a one year deal basically. And then Ryan

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<v Speaker 3>Pace gets, you know, his dream of adding a quarterback

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<v Speaker 3>to the future and not having to rely on Mike Lennon.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I think the Bills at ten are absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>mirroring the blueprint that the Eagles set out last year

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of their billionaire owner traveling to college campuses

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<v Speaker 3>to watch twenty one and twenty two year old throw

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<v Speaker 3>passes against there. That just doesn't happen, you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>billionaire inner just doesn't do that. So answer your question,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Kayser's the best one. I really do. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think twenty fifteen to Sean Kaiser is the

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<v Speaker 3>best quarterback tape out there. Now I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 3>what happened in twenty sixteen, but again, I think twenty

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen to Sean Kaiser is the best one out there.

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<v Speaker 3>And but with that said, I wouldn't surprised if he's

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<v Speaker 3>the fifth quarterback off the board, or if he's a

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<v Speaker 3>sixth quarterback off the board behind Davis Webb and Nacan Peterman.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know I'm taking up a bunch of time,

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<v Speaker 3>but I quickly want to mention Patrick Mahones and how

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea how anyone is confident in his evaluation,

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<v Speaker 3>either positively or negatively, because we have no comparison of

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<v Speaker 3>success for him in the NFL. And I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what to do with the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it seems this year that offensive line is a

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<v Speaker 1>position group in which nobody's truly impressed with, at least

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<v Speaker 1>the depth, especially at tackle Cam Robinson. I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people like a lot and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Ramsick has come on Garrett Bowles from Utah. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this a thing that has happened because of bad talent

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<v Speaker 1>this year or is it just become easier to skip

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<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman because we're better at evaluating what an NFL

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<v Speaker 1>first round offensive lineman must be well.

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<v Speaker 3>On a bigger picture. My buddy Eric Soner actually made

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<v Speaker 3>this connection. And Dan, this will be close to your heart.

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<v Speaker 3>But I wonder if some offensive tackles type are now

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<v Speaker 3>just playing defensive line like the Tyson Jackson effect. Eric Armstead.

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<v Speaker 3>Eric Armstead is an outstanding example of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who was considered a top tackle prospect or recruits

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<v Speaker 3>and wanted to play defensive line. I mean, you see

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<v Speaker 3>these guys that are six seven, two hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 3>pounds two hundred and ninety pounds that theoretically could play tackle,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're playing defensive line, and then you're seeing fewer

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<v Speaker 3>and fewer athletes at the offensive line spot. This is

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<v Speaker 3>the least athletic offensive line pass we've seen in a

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<v Speaker 3>long time. I really like Garret Boles. I think Garibles

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<v Speaker 3>can come in and play right away. But I wouldn't,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, dismiss anyone that has an opposite opinion because

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be twenty five years old as a rookie,

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<v Speaker 3>only played one year at Utah, you know, and actually

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<v Speaker 3>I would say he's a better run blocker than he

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<v Speaker 3>is past protector. It's difficult. I still think they go

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<v Speaker 3>early because we saw what Matt Khalil and ry Riley

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<v Speaker 3>Reef and Russell Okuon got paid in the NFL. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, not every team is comfortable with their with

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<v Speaker 3>their starters. Look, I still think at least one goes

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<v Speaker 3>in the top twenty and maybe a couple, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's certainly not a position of strength in this class

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<v Speaker 3>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the NFL at a point at least with conventional wisdom,

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<v Speaker 1>that they're willing to roll the dice on potential with guys?

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<v Speaker 1>It just seems this year, especially with like a one

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<v Speaker 1>year starter Malik Hooker, I don't believe has started for

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<v Speaker 1>more than a year obviously, Mitch Mitchell Trubisky, you mentioned

0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Garrett Bowls, marsha On Latimore, Marshaun Lattimore. Absolutely. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where we are sort of not considering what

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL does when they look at these guys that

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<v Speaker 1>multiple years of starting and developing and proving themselves against

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<v Speaker 1>different types of players may not be as value when

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps they don't you know, they haven't been hit as much.

0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Alvin Kamara hasn't been hit as much, whereas Christian McCaffrey

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<v Speaker 1>has six thousand touches. Is are we underestimating how the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL approaches this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and John Allen has you know, four years of

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<v Speaker 3>work and right Alvin Cooks has three years of work

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<v Speaker 3>and three shorter operations to go along with it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>there are questions in so many different directions of the

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<v Speaker 3>groups you mentioned that, there's there's a sample size of

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<v Speaker 3>some of them. There's the medical red flags of others.

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<v Speaker 3>There's I mean, the age question with others. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a look. Anytime you talk about potential and

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<v Speaker 3>feeling and everything like that, it's it's difficult to understand

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<v Speaker 3>if it's about athleticism, if it's about potential, it's I

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<v Speaker 3>struggle coming up with those terms. To me, all that

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<v Speaker 3>I care about is how someone succeeds on the field.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even care about the negatives. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>where they went in the field and if that work.

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<v Speaker 3>In the NFL, yeah, I mean, and even a number

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<v Speaker 3>have don't have a full athletic profile. I mean, Leonard

0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Fournette is one, and easy Coe Elliott was one last year,

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Corey Davis as well. There's just a ton of questions

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that just discussed and this isn't answer

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<v Speaker 3>your question at all, but this is just how you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on the Monday or Tuesday before the draft, we have

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<v Speaker 3>no clue what's going to happen starting pick number two.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So Josh Norris you're hired as a GM

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<v Speaker 2>of Team X, the new Raiders, let's say whenever they

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<v Speaker 2>eventually moved to Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty suburban Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you are the new GM of whatever team. What

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<v Speaker 2>is your evaluation process? Take inside the Josh Norris radar map.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you balance in game stuff versus workouts versus

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<v Speaker 2>you know this aspirational P word potential?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how much time do you have? So let's okay,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a few different ways. I really love how the

0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Packers handled the visits process. They bring in for their

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<v Speaker 3>top thirty prospects who are most likely seventh rounders or

0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 3>undrafted free agents. They treat it as recruiting basically, And

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean if you just think about it, like, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a late round guy coming out of who knows where,

0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Middle Tennessee State, Dungstown State, whatever, and one team is

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 3>showing you more love than another, you are absolutely more

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<v Speaker 3>likely to find with them once the draft is over

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.720
<v Speaker 3>in that one hour window than a team that you know,

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 3>you haven't heard of since they came and visited your

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 3>your your practice in the fall. So I love how

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:46.080
<v Speaker 3>the Packers handled handled the visits. I absolutely employ Jack

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Whitman of three sigma athlete who does great work on

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<v Speaker 3>composite course. I think athleticism at certain positions is vital.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's vital at edge and defensive linemen because

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<v Speaker 3>those are some of the true one one matchups on

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<v Speaker 3>the field. And if you have an athletic advantage, then

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<v Speaker 3>it really I mean, it's key. It gives you a

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.959
<v Speaker 3>leg up. But also we can eliminate the non NFL

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 3>athletes at their specific positions and stay away from them,

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 3>and look, I more than anything, focus on where a

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.680
<v Speaker 3>player succeeds, like I've said before, because everyone can go

0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 3>out there and watch a game and see where a

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 3>guy fails and see the negatives. That's the easiest thing.

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:29.760
<v Speaker 3>But in order to allow your team to win and

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 3>help your team to win, get to put these players,

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 3>these prospects in an area where they succeed and so

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 3>finding the positives is the only thing that matters to

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<v Speaker 3>that end.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess next logical question, if you're again still the GM,

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't been fired yet, what is the deepest What

0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 2>is the deepest position out there in this year's draft class?

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<v Speaker 4>Where is it the shallowest, the deepest tight end and

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<v Speaker 4>It's an interesting one to discuss because tight end is

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<v Speaker 4>the slowest developing position in the NFL, even more than

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 4>quarterback it is.

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, so many of these players once they get

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<v Speaker 3>to the NFL, failed to help their first team in

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:16.040
<v Speaker 3>their first contract. I mean, we see so many, you know,

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>produce on their second deals and when they're second or

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:23.479
<v Speaker 3>thirteen Martella's Bennett, Gary Varnage, Jared Cook, the Lany Walker.

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the list goes on and on and on,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone talks about the two top tight ends in

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 3>this class, and I will too, and OJ Howard and

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 3>David and Joku, and I think those guys are plugging

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 3>play in line or if you want to detach them

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>as well. But I would be a bit nervous to

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 3>take them super early just because of how slow developing

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 3>it is, although we've seen both do everything that you

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.199
<v Speaker 3>want as a tight end spot. Then after that you

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 3>have all your different types. I mean, I love Evan Ingram.

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure you guys too do too. I love George

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 3>kill Kittle out of Iowa. Heck, I'll throw out Eric

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Stylert out of Drake as a as a third day

0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:01.080
<v Speaker 3>pass catching tight end who might go in like the

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<v Speaker 3>third to fourth round another years. Titan is absolutely the

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 3>deepest spot this year and the weakest again. I would

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 3>go to offensive Lindman, an offensive tackle. In fact, I

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.199
<v Speaker 3>think you'll see some third round picks spit on a

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:19.720
<v Speaker 3>guy like Julian Davenport out of Bucknow, gyland Ware out

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>of I believe Alabama's state, and Brad Seaton out of Villanova.

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 3>These guys have gotten a ton of of looks during

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 3>the prospect visits and workouts and all that stuff, and

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I think teams will see them as swing tackles early

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>on and hopefully develop them into starting tackles down the line.

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess the classic dilemma now, it's right up there.

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess, with chicken versus the egg, what should the

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Browns do?

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, so much more informed people than me say

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 3>that Jimmy Garoppolo will not be traded, and I'm not

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 3>sure I would trade for him anyway, So we ruled

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 3>that out.

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 4>Okay.

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 3>I do not like any of these so and I

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:06.280
<v Speaker 3>don't like Aj mcperrin either as prospects. So we're kind

0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>of screwed at quarterback if we're being perfectly honest. So

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 3>we continue to load up I love how they handled

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 3>the offensive line because rather than pairing, you know, a

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 3>young quarterback with a great wide receiver, I think now

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 3>pairing them with offense a great offensive line is a

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 3>much better approach. I think you absolutely go Miles Garrett

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 3>at one, and then you find another player who can

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, instantly impact, who's not, you know, a year

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 3>away from starting on the field, whether it be Oj

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 3>Howard who I just discussed to run more twelve personnel,

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.080
<v Speaker 3>whether it be Christian mccaffor he if he's on the

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 3>roster or if he's on the board. I'm not sure

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 3>if they would even take a running back at twelve.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 3>But more importantly, I would find some cohesiveness between Hugh Jackson,

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 3>who's absolutely an old school football mind, versus this apparent

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 3>come or or I guess mythical forward thinking analytics department

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>that takes everything into consideration and maybe they don't connect

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 3>them decision. I think we saw that last year with

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>a Cody Casler situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm of the mind, and this might be just mad,

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but I love doing the deep dives on what certain

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 1>teams take and where value is, and I'm of the

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>mind that offensive skill players are not necessarily worth first

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>round value, especially if you're a team trying to improve.

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 1>So if somebody is of a similar mind, who is

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<v Speaker 1>available in the second or third round, like second or

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 1>third round wide receiver, running back, tight end that you

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>feel like you know even though they're not, Dalvin Cook,

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Christian McCaffrey, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, Guys like that that

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you feel like the drop off isn't particularly steep and

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 1>can contribute pretty close to right away.

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm so glad I get to talk about Kaywan Taylor.

0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 3>I love Taywan Taylor. Taywan Taylor reminds me a lot

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 3>of in the right coming out of Baylor. Sure, I

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>probably have the best ever kind to write a bit

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.120
<v Speaker 3>too much because he certainly didn't hit his stride in

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 3>the NFL. But if you go back and watch his

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 3>game there, and he's awesome, Teywan, you know, creates separation

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 3>early in his route, he sustains it, he wins after

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 3>the catch, and despite being under six feet tall, Bill

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>e'sn't try to go up and get it and win

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 3>in those contested situations. I wouldn't be surprised if he,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, a third round pick but I think Jewan

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Taylor is awesome. Carlos Henderson is a really really fun player.

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 3>If you're looking for someone that essentially could be used

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 3>in a similar fashion as Tyreek Hale during the rookie year,

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 3>I would throw out Carlos Henderson from Who's in attack

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 3>when he is a stud after the catch, just like wait,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 3>little movement puts one foot in the dirt and gets

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 3>up field immediately. Was easily the best in that area

0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.040
<v Speaker 3>last season in all of college football. And again I

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 3>would throw Evan Ingram like I'm not sure if every

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 3>NFL team will know how to use him, because the

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 3>NFL can be done at times. Thought to me, if

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 3>you just put him in the slot as a as

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 3>a big slot receiver, and I even think he's a

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 3>better blocker than people getting credit for, and Evan Ingram

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 3>will be there in around two most likely.

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Are we getting any closer? And I know some teams

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>are able to do this, and some teams have struggled

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.800
<v Speaker 1>to figuring out what to do with tweener types like

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you mentioned Jabrill Peppers on defense that he's

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of a jack of many trades but not necessarily

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a master of one. Offensively. We've seen players recently. You know,

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 1>my heart is with d' Anthony Thomas, and he's never

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>really found a consistent role. This year, we have a

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>player like Curtis Samuel who has sort of succeeded in

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the slot, running certain kind of routes and succeeded with

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>certain kind of carries. Are we any closer to finding

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>roles and finding appropriate value for these types of players.

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 3>I really think it's all about the landing spot. I

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 3>really do. I mean, because theoretically someone like Cordarol Patterson

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 3>should find a role in the NFL, and he just

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>like didn't outside of you know, as a kick returner

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 3>with the Ministera Vikings. It's tough. And Curtis Samuel is

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 3>a good example, because teams are looking at him as

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 3>a slot receiver. A number of teams are looking at

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 3>him as a running back. I think he's certainly more

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 3>comfortable with the ball in his hands, but I think

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 3>his future is kind of in the slot. I don't

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 3>know if I have a great answer for you. I

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 3>really don't. I but it certainly seems like and I

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 3>can't give you a list of all of them up

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 3>the top my head that with with with so much

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 3>turnover at offensive coordinator at head coach, that only a

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>certain number of these offenses are willing to keep a

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.800
<v Speaker 3>role player like that, even though the NFL is made

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 3>up of role players. And I'll have the like, I

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:42.880
<v Speaker 3>think we kind of obsessed over air back guys that

0:33:43.040 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 3>succeed in space. I mean, I'll throw out like, I

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>mean there's some Josh Ferguson love last year, which was

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 3>absolutely crazy. I mean, it's the same way we obsessed

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>over like sec safeties that are in the box and

0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 3>just pay people really hard. You know. It's those are

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 3>the two things that that drafts Witter fall in love

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:02.600
<v Speaker 3>with and and so we might not realize that, Look,

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.200
<v Speaker 3>these guys can only dress five wide receivers on a

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 3>Sunday and three running backs, And does a team really

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.719
<v Speaker 3>want to use one of those spots on someone that

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 3>sure might be able to help on special teams, but

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>might also limit them if someone goes down with an

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:19.479
<v Speaker 3>injury as well?

0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Josh, which Patriot League player do you see as a

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 1>sure thing the next level?

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, no, I did I said a name earlier.

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Isn't Eric, isn't Drake? In the Patriot League.

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Drake is not in the Patriot League, Sir, I don't

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 1>know what they're They're not in the Patriot League. Okay,

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Actually there is a player I want to know about

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>who does play in the Northeast, just because I like

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>watching him play a lot and he seems like he

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 1>could be a top fifteen, top twenty type pick. I

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 1>also have a soft spot for Temple because I just

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like shouting the world word owls a lot. Hassan Radick

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>is somebody who if people have watched college football, especially

0:34:56.600 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>when Temple's played against better teams, he's really shined. What

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>is it about his game specifically that you feel like,

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>even from you know, a school that doesn't have a

0:35:06.840 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 1>rich football background, he can succeed pretty greatly in the NFL.

0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 3>What funny is a few years ago, I really like

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 3>to hear Whitehead more than anyone else, and I think

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 3>I think their projection is very similar in that well.

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 3>First of all, Hassan Reddick's story is incredible and his

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:28.839
<v Speaker 3>transition is incredible. I mean, he came and you guys

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:30.800
<v Speaker 3>know this came on to Temple as like a corner

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 3>slash safety. In fact, I asked him about this as

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 3>a Senior Bowl. He practiced a few times with Robbie

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 3>Anderson at corner and at safety, and obviously Robbie Anderson

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 3>is now a receiver for the Jets. But then he

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.240
<v Speaker 3>went over and gained a bunch of weight and rushed

0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 3>up the edge. And also and when he does pass

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>rush when he has been he's super athletic. I wouldn't

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 3>say that would be his primary move, but he can

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 3>certainly help the team in that way. And then he

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.000
<v Speaker 3>plays off the ball as well. I would say is easy.

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Transition is like that off ball linebacker spot. A team

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 3>might use him as an Anthony Barr type player, or

0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 3>if they want to put him on the line, maybe

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 3>a Julian Peterson type player, or they can just pick

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 3>him on the inside like Jamie Collins if they want to.

0:36:13.680 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I know there's like a bunch of big names I

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.440
<v Speaker 3>just mentioned that like are really really good players. But

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 3>I think Assan Reddick is a really really good player.

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 3>I want to transition this quickly to another prospect who

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't think is receiving enough love, who is kind

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 3>of in that storrygain Dion Jordan Mole sure along with

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 3>along with Julian Peterson and that's Tyas Bowser out of Houston.

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 3>I really think Tyas Bowser ends up in the first round,

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the teams

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:42.439
<v Speaker 3>as well.

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite draft buzzword? You know because you hear

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 2>like football IQ and arm talent. I think it was

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Mike Mayock, the legendary Mike Mayock, who wants to use

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>loose hips.

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Do you have any go.

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 4>To phrase that you like?

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 3>There was a time when people were compequking uh prospects

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.399
<v Speaker 3>during like weigh in, and they were talking about their

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 3>bubble and by their bubble, that's their belly and and

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 3>and and like their ad region and but to me,

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 3>that's thinking it a bit fard guy, like I don't

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:19.720
<v Speaker 3>need to know about someone's bubble.

0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>The bubble, okay, on the bubble. Give us some sleepers

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 2>in this year's draft, some names. You know you've already

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:29.800
<v Speaker 2>thrown a few out there, But who are some others

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 2>that you think fall into the sleeper category because of

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>injury or a small school, or coaching, or luck or

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.360
<v Speaker 2>a whole variety of different factors.

0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 3>So I'm actually still remembering a question that you asked

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 3>a few questions ago, and I do want to mention

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.919
<v Speaker 3>this will apply to one of my names. If I'm

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 3>building a team, the most important part to me is

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 3>is past protecting with five, it's blocking with five, it's

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 3>past rushing with four, it's winning the turnover gferential, and

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 3>then it's creating big plays. All right, So if we're

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 3>talking about someone that can create big plays, Tarik Cohen

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 3>out of North Carolina A and C is like a

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 3>super super fun prospect. I think he's five six or

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 3>five seven and one hundred and seventy pounds, so who

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.719
<v Speaker 3>even knows if he's going to get drafted. But if

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 3>you watch him, like he doesn't care which way the

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:23.720
<v Speaker 3>zone is, He's just going to run away from everyone

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 3>and evade. It's like if you growing up by played

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.240
<v Speaker 3>NFL Fever. Do you remember that game for the Xbox

0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 3>with the back controller with Peyton Manning on the cover.

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 3>I think and my buddy and I I would play

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 3>as Michael Vick and run all the way back to

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 3>my own end zone and then just juke everyone and

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 3>then then the one hundred yards to the other end zone.

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 3>And that's like how Karik Cohen plays football. So maybe

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 3>he did the same thing growing up. I would also

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 3>throw in Elijah Maguire from louising A Lafayette. If there's

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.080
<v Speaker 3>going to be a prospect who I would suggest drafting

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 3>in the fifth of the same around that Mike turn

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 3>into this year's Jordan Howard, it would be Elijah Maguire.

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:06.839
<v Speaker 3>He's a runner and receiver type. I think he can

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 3>be in the field in all situations. And I'll end

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 3>on Davier Woods out of Louisiana Tech. Zavier Woods is

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 3>a really really good prospect lined up wherever Louisiana Tech

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 3>needs him do. He's a he's a very good athlete

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 3>as well, and and he he is absolutely someone who

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 3>I could see winding up in the third round, even

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:30.160
<v Speaker 3>though some people don't believe he can find that spot

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 3>in quickly. Just because we all these other Michigan guys

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 3>are being discussed, you know, Jake Budd and Jabil Peppers.

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>I actually think Chrits Chris Wormley is the best Michigan

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.800
<v Speaker 3>prospect in this class and deserves we drafted in the

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 3>top thirty two.

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Josh, Which Ninja Turtle or Ninja Turtle character do you

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>think is most NFL ready? Given they're both physical and

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 1>mental makeup.

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 3>I would probably say Raphael, because Rafael is the most

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 3>He's the most confident in his ability. You know, I think,

0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 3>I know I understand Leonard as the leader whatever, right,

0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I think we all agree that Leonardo was not the

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 3>death Okay. I think Donna Tello might get in his

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 3>head a little bit, and I understand everything will be

0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 3>well thought off, but at times he can be a

0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 3>bit soft. I think if Michelangelo was going to be

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 3>in the NFL, he'd be like Pat McAfee or someone

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 3>like a punter, right, yes, and then I really do

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:23.520
<v Speaker 3>I could see Rafael being like demonte Casey this year,

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 3>like the corner on the outside who just wants to

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.440
<v Speaker 3>come up and be depressive and packer you down your throat.

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 3>So I would say Rafaieol definitely, even though it's the

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 3>locker room might not love him.

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>See. I was going to go rock Steady early on,

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:38.520
<v Speaker 1>but I think rock Steady is better built for an

0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>NFL era that is sort of by gone at this point.

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I might go Bebop. I could see Bebop being a

0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>gronk type where there's just a certain inherent aggression to

0:40:48.960 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a warthog over the metal. I don't know, ty, do

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 1>you have a thought.

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering if Josh knew that question was coming

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>in advance.

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.800
<v Speaker 1>He did not. He wond percent to not.

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 2>So.

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 3>There are many pictures of There are many picture of

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 3>me growing up dressing as an Ninja Turtle. I have

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 3>never thought about this question. Maybe I've dreamt about it,

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.720
<v Speaker 3>my two worlds coming together, but yeah, I was surprised

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 3>at myself having one at the ready right then.

0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I like it. I'm I'm looking at the cast of

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>characters right now. Krag does not look mobile enough in

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that suit.

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know these people you're talking about right now,

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 3>Like I only knew the four obviously, Splinter Krank was,

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I don't remember any others.

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Krag was the brain inside of the large robot.

0:41:30.400 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Guys, can I ask you this question?

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Please?

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:37.879
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm not talking. I'm not talking Power Rangers or

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 3>Ninja Turtles or something like that. But like, what secondary

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 3>show with like Superpowers did you like the most, Because

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 3>for me, you remember like beatle Boards, like I was

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 3>a big fan of Beatleborgs.

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:53.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at it and I've always ever.

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Watched after you never watched beetle boys.

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't watch Beetleborgs. I was going to answer Captain Planet.

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think that's a little bit is.

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:02.400
<v Speaker 1>That too mainstream?

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.279
<v Speaker 3>More high profile than I'm looking for here?

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the only one that keeps coming to mind

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:08.920
<v Speaker 2>for me is ThunderCats. But I don't know if that qualify.

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>That's definitely mainstream.

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.480
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, I'm younger than y'all.

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.440
<v Speaker 1>I get Beetleborgs. I mean he didn't throw dig I

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>have you heard of digim'd?

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:26.440
<v Speaker 4>Man?

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, I think this is this is a natural

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>ending place, ty. I think we got an all pertinent information.

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Again, follow him conveniently named on Twitter at Josh Norris.

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>That's Josh and r R I as follow his draft

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:44.239
<v Speaker 2>coverage with Roto World and NBC Sports. Josh, it's great

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to have you on the show at long last, and

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 2>we'll certainly have to do it again sometime soon.

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, guys, I really do appreciate it.

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Have a good one, all right, Dan Again, that's Josh Norris,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:58.440
<v Speaker 2>NBC Sports, Roto World of very affable gentleman. I appreciate

0:42:58.480 --> 0:42:58.920
<v Speaker 2>having them on.

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Josh, which is great. Did you see that he

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>went through the full I know rich Eisend runs the forty.

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to say Josh went through a number of

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 1>the combine events this year. How I watched him tie?

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Not great? No, actually, you know what, all things considered,

0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>I saw him do the forty. I saw him do

0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 1>some shuttle stuff. I would say he did better than

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought he would as just you know, an average,

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:26.560
<v Speaker 1>just like you or I, you know, twenty nine thirty one.

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how old he is, your old male.

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought he did pretty good all things considered. You know,

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>doing it cold is especially difficult. Is there a specific

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>event tie that you feel like you could punch above

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 1>your weight class in the in the combine?

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Probably some sort of throwing drill. Okay, yeah, I

0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 2>could do a nice football. You throw a nice ball.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 3>I do.

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did it. You remember we did this a

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>while ago?

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 1>That true? I know we did. I'm just yeah, I

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>think did I throw it farther than you?

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:57.359
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you had and I had the punt.

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember which. I think you might have.

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 2>You might have beaten me on the punt. I should

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 2>really go back and look at it. It's terrible footage.

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure though.

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely like standard definition or a cut blow. And

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that the throwing was my was my

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>strongest one, so I could if there were any it

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.399
<v Speaker 2>would be throwing any kind of throwing drill.

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Physically, I'm going to be below average pretty much everywhere.

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm an okay athlete, but I just in terms of

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 1>what other people that are like six one hundred and

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>seventy four pounds can do, I'm not going to be there,

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>but Tie, I feel like I would ace the sort

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>of interview portion of the combine, Right, I am. I

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>can bs with the best of them, Tie, I can.

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.919
<v Speaker 1>I am aware. I am aware that you want to hear,

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Like you want to ask me about the n K. Sure,

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the NK. Tie, you want to talk

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>about the Cincinnati Reds. I'm with you. I'm ready to go.

0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh So, Yeah, I'm a natural leader, I'm ambitious. I

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 1>think I'm great. I wouldn't be in this league if

0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think I were great.

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Also, so also, any kind of classroom event would probably

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.240
<v Speaker 2>be more our speed. You know, the wonderlick, the things

0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.600
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0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:11.319
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0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's true. I think I really could,

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.520
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0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:20.319
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0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.120
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0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.440
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0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.280
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<v Speaker 1>I have a question. I think I know the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to this question, but it just struck me that this

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<v Speaker 1>is basically out of college. And you can make your

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<v Speaker 1>jokes about how you know getting paid in bag man,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, top players getting paid in colleges, recruits, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is this is the first job, right, This

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<v Speaker 1>is the first out of college, entering the workforce job

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<v Speaker 1>for everybody that's going to be drafted, presumably right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So my question to you, ty is I think I

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer, but that your current mystery day job

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<v Speaker 1>is you've been there for a long time, correct, indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>indeed you happened so you never had a different Did

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<v Speaker 1>you have a different job out of college or is

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<v Speaker 1>this the right? Straight out of college? You've progressed through

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<v Speaker 1>your mystery day job. This is my first full time

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<v Speaker 1>job I've had. I've had numerous other jobs in the

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<v Speaker 1>summertime and whatnot, but yeah, full time, full time. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>at any point early on, because I had a different

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<v Speaker 1>career path than you. At any point early on, were

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<v Speaker 1>you like the young throw to do errands? Like did

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<v Speaker 1>you have a ton of like dumb busy work that

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<v Speaker 1>you had to do? And I don't want to get

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<v Speaker 1>you in trouble with your job, but I'm saying, did

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<v Speaker 1>you have like typical first early twenty two years old

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<v Speaker 1>out of college. Did you have those like typical busy

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<v Speaker 1>work nonsense situations?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't simplify it to the degree, okay, any of

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<v Speaker 2>it falls into that category. I would just say that

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<v Speaker 2>as a lot of people find when you jump into

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<v Speaker 2>the workforce right out of college, you find yourself doing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what I would consider junior level work.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot of stuff like that, never anything

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider busy work.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you when you look back on that time, do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like you did a good job, not at

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<v Speaker 1>your actual job, but of being a new fresh face

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<v Speaker 1>in the workforce. Did you wear your shirts ironed? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you pack yourself some lunch? Did you were you always

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<v Speaker 1>showing up on time? Did you ever cut out early?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was doing my part. Yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>much of a rule breaker as it relates to my

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<v Speaker 2>steady source of income. No, I usually try to look presentable.

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<v Speaker 1>I had so much dumb like I had. So my

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<v Speaker 1>first job was a paid internship for a production company,

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<v Speaker 1>So I was picking up lunches for like the entire office.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a production company movies and TV and actually

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<v Speaker 1>some some theater stuff. But I had so much just

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<v Speaker 1>grunt work. Tie I was delivering scripts. I took the

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<v Speaker 1>father of one of the main producers at the company.

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<v Speaker 1>I took him on errands, one of which included buying him, well,

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<v Speaker 1>going with him to buy a jockstrap oh wow, at

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<v Speaker 1>a at a sporting good store because he lived in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico and could not get jockstraps in Mexico. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot tye And it kind of bums

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<v Speaker 1>me out that you never had to live that life,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was not that fun. I delivered a script

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<v Speaker 1>to Kyle Gass of TENACIOUSD.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it was that I met Chris Hardwick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not all that interesting, but yeah it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a bummer of like a six months

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<v Speaker 1>hun I left and got another job. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's just interesting when I think back on it, which

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<v Speaker 1>is what what three four years ago now. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think about that these soon to be NFL players, this

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<v Speaker 1>is their first full time gig and they're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do any of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably never, No, I think they'll probably seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of them will actually have a job that is

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<v Speaker 1>like the NCAA commercial says in something other than sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to start a podcast in exactly twenty Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right. But yeah, different tie, different life.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, fun show. We will be back next Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm. This again is a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 2>early drop this week because the draft starts on Thursday night.

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<v Speaker 2>You need some time to download and digest what Josh

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 2>had to say. But do throw him a follow at

0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Josh Norris on Twitter and look for his draft coverage

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<v Speaker 2>again with Rotal World and NBC Sports dand best of

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<v Speaker 2>luck on your live show. I'll watch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I appreciate that. Should we tease who are having

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<v Speaker 1>on the show next week, we can, Okay, I won't

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<v Speaker 1>say her name, and we're gonna go out on this

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<v Speaker 1>tie and what we'll sign off, all right, But she's

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<v Speaker 1>a current Supreme Court justice, so that's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Ty on that note for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Ty Hildebrand. Thanks again for tuning in.

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<v Speaker 2>Subscribe at iTunes dot com, slash Solid Verbal, Catch you

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<v Speaker 2>on next week and stay summer peace,