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Speaker 3: Is an absolute honor, Guys, I really appreciate it. I'm great.
Speaker 3: How are y'all?
Speaker 1: We are? We are doing quite well.
Speaker 2: I got to ask you a very pointed question here
Speaker 2: as we jump right in and talk about the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: I know you've been covering this from all angles. I
Speaker 2: wake up on a Saturday morning, I see that you've
Speaker 2: charted all like five hundred ninety two of the Sean
Speaker 2: Kaiser's throws and why they were or weren't a good thing.
Speaker 2: Why are there so many bad picks?
Speaker 3: Ooh? I think that's a good question. I would say
Speaker 3: a big part of it is the lack of cohesiveness
Speaker 3: between the decision makers in terms of scout and GMS
Speaker 3: in the front office versus coaches. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of time we look at the NFL and kind of
Speaker 3: put it on a pedestal, as you know, organizations that
Speaker 3: run smoothly. Yet there are thirty two different ones, and
Speaker 3: we know absolutely that many of them do not. I
Speaker 3: mean you see that in the turnover every single year.
Speaker 3: And then I think the part of that is also,
Speaker 3: once there is turnover, the owner goes in like the
Speaker 3: opposite direction of what the former head coach was, and
Speaker 3: then that head coach wants to change the entire roster
Speaker 3: to fit his style. And the lack of patience. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it shouldn't happen, but I
Speaker 3: think it absolutely plays into the development of these players
Speaker 3: once they get in the lead.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing because pretty much from the end of
Speaker 2: the college football season straight through now till like early
Speaker 2: May because they're doing the draft later, this is all
Speaker 2: you hear about. It's a constant character study into each
Speaker 2: of these prospects, and yet it seems more often than
Speaker 2: not there are more misses than hits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean even if you look in the
Speaker 3: first round, like I kind of ask myself this, whenever
Speaker 3: the first round is complete, like thirty percent of these
Speaker 3: guys are going to fail. You know they're going to
Speaker 3: be busted, and at the time everyone is mostly pleased
Speaker 3: with first rounders. Then even in my head, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: which maybe ten of these is not going to make it,
Speaker 3: And at times it's tough to get to ten. And
Speaker 3: that happens. I mean, Look, I actually think one of
Speaker 3: the favorite we my favorite part of the draft is
Speaker 3: seeing which prospect that rank in like the top fifty,
Speaker 3: top twenty five, whatever to somehow fall to Day three,
Speaker 3: rounds four and five and then ultimately end up as
Speaker 3: quality players. I think that's the funnest part of the
Speaker 3: draft for me.
Speaker 1: Josh, where is the biggest chasm between who college football
Speaker 1: fans are positive is excellent and what NFL people think
Speaker 1: and or in the other direction, who NFL type scouts, gms, whoever, writers,
Speaker 1: draft and analysts think is just wonderful and college fans
Speaker 1: are like, really him, where's that chasm?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's go with that second one. I'm not
Speaker 3: going to say that college fans think he's bad, but
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't even start for his collegiate program
Speaker 3: during his final season for most of it. And I
Speaker 3: would go with Alvin Kamara. The NFL really really likes
Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara, really likes Alvin Kamara. In fact, a number
Speaker 3: of teams are contemplating Joe Mixon versus Alvin Kamara in
Speaker 3: their head. And if they don't want to deal with
Speaker 3: the Joe Mixon situation, which many of them won't, then
Speaker 3: I think that they pivot over to Alvin Kamara. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is someone who obviously showed a lot during when
Speaker 3: he had his opportunities and absolutely fits the NFL game
Speaker 3: in terms of being a passing down back, but also
Speaker 3: possibly can be more than that. We just don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ever touched the ball more than
Speaker 3: eighteen times in a game ever, at least during his
Speaker 3: collegiate career. On the opposite side of that, it's always
Speaker 3: a fun question. I would say the easy answer is
Speaker 3: someone who is highly productive at the college level and
Speaker 3: then gets questioned on that productivity if it can translate
Speaker 3: to the NFL. And I think that every year there's
Speaker 3: a few of those, and this year I would point
Speaker 3: to Derek Barnett. I really would dang at Tennessee. Derek
Speaker 3: Barnett to me, I really like it. Let me start
Speaker 3: by saying that I really like him.
Speaker 1: I don't have to say that, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Not sure if he can consistently beat athletic left tackles
Speaker 3: immediately off the snap in terms of his explosion in
Speaker 3: terms of off the three steps. I think he has
Speaker 3: got great bend for his size, and I think his
Speaker 3: motor is outstanding. I think frequently he took advantage of
Speaker 3: heavy footage offensive blindman in college football, and we even
Speaker 3: know that like thirty two NFL teams aren't played at
Speaker 3: their tackle play and then you extrapolate that down to
Speaker 3: the college level and it's it's really really poor. Again.
Speaker 3: I like Derek Barnette, but in terms of someone who
Speaker 3: was one of the most productive Edussiers we've ever seen
Speaker 3: come into the draft, I still think he goes top fifteen,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't rank him there.
Speaker 1: I love the fact that Tennessee players are both overrated
Speaker 1: and underrated. I like that is a that is a
Speaker 1: very wrong plain.
Speaker 3: I think it's very much Jones.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. One is when you are looking, you know at
Speaker 1: that same transition from college to pro which position And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's this year specific, but trend wise,
Speaker 1: would you say, you know, this type of blank position
Speaker 1: never would have been evaluated this way five, ten, fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago, But because of the way both the college
Speaker 1: game and NFL game have gone, we're seeing a new
Speaker 1: type of blank be taken. Seriously, Is there a position
Speaker 1: that has evolved in the way it's been evaluated. I
Speaker 1: guess in a dramatic sense.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think it's the third corner spot or
Speaker 3: the fifth defensive back spot on an NFL team. There
Speaker 3: are a number of corners that are being looked at
Speaker 3: as solely slot corners, and that might have a negative
Speaker 3: connotation to it, but it shouldn't. In fact, one is
Speaker 3: Colorado's j Adobe A Woozier, who I think has a
Speaker 3: strong chance of ending up in Round one, and he
Speaker 3: might solely be a slot guy, and that's perfectly fine.
Speaker 3: The Tennessee Titans are very interested in JUDOBEI Woozy, especially
Speaker 3: if they trade out of eighteen, to keep that in mind.
Speaker 3: And even you know, fifth like a third safety spot,
Speaker 3: right and so act as your third defensive back. And
Speaker 3: those guys are just on the field sixty percent of
Speaker 3: the time, you know. And and to go back one
Speaker 3: question as well, it makes things even more interesting for
Speaker 3: a guy like Jr. Bill Peppers. So for me, even
Speaker 3: though he didn't technically play the spot, I think block
Speaker 3: corner might be his best position. He's certainly not going
Speaker 3: to be an off ball linebacker. But this whole safety talk,
Speaker 3: it's difficult because the projection, we haven't really seen him
Speaker 3: in that area, and the NFL kind of relies on
Speaker 3: things they've seen in the past. So to me, slock
Speaker 3: corner might be his best position in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You mentioned you're brill Pepper is now some breaking news
Speaker 2: or developing news about him testing positive for a diluted sample.
Speaker 2: What does that mean and what is his status now
Speaker 2: as he moves into the NFL. Do people like him
Speaker 2: or not? Well?
Speaker 3: I think the people who are most happy about this
Speaker 3: are Ruben Foster's party, that's for sure, because he's not
Speaker 3: alone anymore. You know what's interesting, and this is this
Speaker 3: isn't football talk. This is just kind of talking about
Speaker 3: the process. I think it's interesting that Ruben Foster and
Speaker 3: even prospects in the last two years have kind of
Speaker 3: taken a hold of their narrative in terms of gotten
Speaker 3: ahead of a story like this. But to grip Peppers didn't.
Speaker 3: I think the first prospect in the last three years
Speaker 3: that actually had this kind of news broken via a
Speaker 3: media source and wasn't a part of it because that
Speaker 3: I mean, we used to hear all the time about
Speaker 3: these drug tests being failed to combine, but we haven't
Speaker 3: in the last two years unless the prospect admitted to it,
Speaker 3: like Ruben Foster did this week. Okay, So I think
Speaker 3: that in the first round Peppers has a small or
Speaker 3: shallow pool in terms of teams that might be super interested.
Speaker 3: I would throw at the Tampa Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They
Speaker 3: need a slot corner and they need a safety. Again,
Speaker 3: I think a big part of it is we just
Speaker 3: don't know how successful he will be at his position
Speaker 3: that he's projected to because he played a different one
Speaker 3: during his final you know, games at Michigan, and I
Speaker 3: think that's always a difficult proposition. And I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: especially in this type of corner class and defensive back
Speaker 3: class at fifteen, will really feel that comfortable with him
Speaker 3: in the first round.
Speaker 2: Let me shift gears a little bit. You've got Christian
Speaker 2: McCaffrey as your eleventh best overall player at least on
Speaker 2: the last set of rankings that I saw. He is
Speaker 2: not a prototypical running back, if only because he's smaller
Speaker 2: at like five to eleven round two hundred pounds, right,
Speaker 2: you tend to think that he can be a primary
Speaker 2: back in the NFL. Why do you feel that way?
Speaker 3: And I guarantee you you guys will back me up
Speaker 3: on this or I might be wrong, who knows, but
Speaker 3: I think people will will look at that size that
Speaker 3: he just mentioned and say, well, he's just a passing
Speaker 3: down back. He's just a back heet to cap As touches.
Speaker 3: But then if we I mean generally we talk about
Speaker 3: these college teams and college prospects projecting to the NFL,
Speaker 3: and like so often this like quote unquote mythical pro
Speaker 3: style offense comes up. I mean, you don't get more
Speaker 3: pro style than Stanford's often, especially in the running game.
Speaker 3: You know, he has to run behind power, he has
Speaker 3: to run up behind multiple titan sets, multiple fullbacks at times.
Speaker 3: I mean, all this guy did was run between the
Speaker 3: tackles twenty plus times a game, entered vision and patience,
Speaker 3: and picked up difficult yards, and then was extremely special
Speaker 3: when used out in space or getting to the second
Speaker 3: or third level. Man, I love Christian McCaffrey. The more
Speaker 3: you watch, the more you realize he really can be
Speaker 3: a primary piece of a passing offense and a running offense.
Speaker 3: And that's why I have him as a top running deck.
Speaker 2: Like you said, well, and to Dan's previous question, it
Speaker 2: does feel like the league has changed a little bit, right,
Speaker 2: It's gone more passing. If you can catch balls out
Speaker 2: of the backfield, that makes you a little bit more
Speaker 2: valuable as an asset. And it feels like the league
Speaker 2: has changed in such a way that Christian McCaffrey now
Speaker 2: fits in better this fite his smaller stature than he
Speaker 2: might have, say ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Look Like, at the very least, you're getting like a
Speaker 3: theoretic At the very least, they're getting like a CGA
Speaker 3: proside a Shane vere right, a guy that you can
Speaker 3: put in the backfield and then motion out as well.
Speaker 3: But again, I mean theoretics might have been a running back,
Speaker 3: you know, like anytime he's asked to run the ball,
Speaker 3: he struggles. So you in an offense that might have
Speaker 3: already some dynamic personnel groupings, either with twelve personnel or whatever,
Speaker 3: that they can really dictate matchups to the defense, adding
Speaker 3: a guy a Christian McCaffrey, where theoretically you could start
Speaker 3: with two in line tight end and McCaffrey and single back,
Speaker 3: and then have your quarterback back up in the shotguns
Speaker 3: both of those tight ends split out wide along with
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. That changes the entire dynamic of what the
Speaker 3: offense is presenting to the defense, and I think that's
Speaker 3: what something McCaffrey offers.
Speaker 2: The other story that I know a lot of college
Speaker 2: are interested in is which quarterback goes first slash how
Speaker 2: many quarterbacks go in the first round. The four big
Speaker 2: names are Deshaun Kaiser, Mitch Trubisky, Mitchell Mitchell, Mitchell Trubisky,
Speaker 2: excuse me, Deshaun Watson, and Patrick Mahomes the second. If
Speaker 2: we're being specific here, I gotta be honest, in my
Speaker 2: heart of hearts, I don't truly feel like any of
Speaker 2: these guys are truly transcendent enough to justify a first
Speaker 2: round pick. But that's just me.
Speaker 3: So Dan knows this. This will be the second straight
Speaker 3: year where I don't think a first round quarterback exists
Speaker 3: in the draft. Now, I was obviously wrong with Dak
Speaker 3: Prescott last year. I was obviously wrong. I mean the
Speaker 3: entire enough I was, but I was wrong with them.
Speaker 3: I didn't like here at golf last there were many
Speaker 3: questions that people just didn't bring up. Okay, so let
Speaker 3: me fast forward to this year. I am not confident
Speaker 3: at this moment to decide between Deshaun Watson and Mitchard
Speaker 3: Trudisky as the first quarterback off the board, but I
Speaker 3: think both go in the top ten. I think the
Speaker 3: Bears at three more and more beat writers are linking
Speaker 3: the two, and I think it makes sense even with
Speaker 3: the Mike Lennon signing, because that contract can be whittled
Speaker 3: down to a one year deal basically. And then Ryan
Speaker 3: Pace gets, you know, his dream of adding a quarterback
Speaker 3: to the future and not having to rely on Mike Lennon.
Speaker 3: And then I think the Bills at ten are absolutely
Speaker 3: mirroring the blueprint that the Eagles set out last year
Speaker 3: in terms of their billionaire owner traveling to college campuses
Speaker 3: to watch twenty one and twenty two year old throw
Speaker 3: passes against there. That just doesn't happen, you know, a
Speaker 3: billionaire inner just doesn't do that. So answer your question,
Speaker 3: I think Kayser's the best one. I really do. I
Speaker 3: think I think twenty fifteen to Sean Kaiser is the
Speaker 3: best quarterback tape out there. Now I can't tell you
Speaker 3: what happened in twenty sixteen, but again, I think twenty
Speaker 3: fifteen to Sean Kaiser is the best one out there.
Speaker 3: And but with that said, I wouldn't surprised if he's
Speaker 3: the fifth quarterback off the board, or if he's a
Speaker 3: sixth quarterback off the board behind Davis Webb and Nacan Peterman.
Speaker 3: And I know I'm taking up a bunch of time,
Speaker 3: but I quickly want to mention Patrick Mahones and how
Speaker 3: I have no idea how anyone is confident in his evaluation,
Speaker 3: either positively or negatively, because we have no comparison of
Speaker 3: success for him in the NFL. And I just don't
Speaker 3: know what to do with the guy.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it seems this year that offensive line is a
Speaker 1: position group in which nobody's truly impressed with, at least
Speaker 1: the depth, especially at tackle Cam Robinson. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people like a lot and for good reason.
Speaker 1: Ryan Ramsick has come on Garrett Bowles from Utah. Is
Speaker 1: this a thing that has happened because of bad talent
Speaker 1: this year or is it just become easier to skip
Speaker 1: offensive lineman because we're better at evaluating what an NFL
Speaker 1: first round offensive lineman must be well.
Speaker 3: On a bigger picture. My buddy Eric Soner actually made
Speaker 3: this connection. And Dan, this will be close to your heart.
Speaker 3: But I wonder if some offensive tackles type are now
Speaker 3: just playing defensive line like the Tyson Jackson effect. Eric Armstead.
Speaker 3: Eric Armstead is an outstanding example of that. You know,
Speaker 3: someone who was considered a top tackle prospect or recruits
Speaker 3: and wanted to play defensive line. I mean, you see
Speaker 3: these guys that are six seven, two hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: pounds two hundred and ninety pounds that theoretically could play tackle,
Speaker 3: but they're playing defensive line, and then you're seeing fewer
Speaker 3: and fewer athletes at the offensive line spot. This is
Speaker 3: the least athletic offensive line pass we've seen in a
Speaker 3: long time. I really like Garret Boles. I think Garibles
Speaker 3: can come in and play right away. But I wouldn't,
Speaker 3: you know, dismiss anyone that has an opposite opinion because
Speaker 3: it's going to be twenty five years old as a rookie,
Speaker 3: only played one year at Utah, you know, and actually
Speaker 3: I would say he's a better run blocker than he
Speaker 3: is past protector. It's difficult. I still think they go
Speaker 3: early because we saw what Matt Khalil and ry Riley
Speaker 3: Reef and Russell Okuon got paid in the NFL. Like
Speaker 3: I said, not every team is comfortable with their with
Speaker 3: their starters. Look, I still think at least one goes
Speaker 3: in the top twenty and maybe a couple, but it's
Speaker 3: it's certainly not a position of strength in this class
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 1: Is the NFL at a point at least with conventional wisdom,
Speaker 1: that they're willing to roll the dice on potential with guys?
Speaker 1: It just seems this year, especially with like a one
Speaker 1: year starter Malik Hooker, I don't believe has started for
Speaker 1: more than a year obviously, Mitch Mitchell Trubisky, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Garrett Bowls, marsha On Latimore, Marshaun Lattimore. Absolutely. Is it
Speaker 1: a situation where we are sort of not considering what
Speaker 1: the NFL does when they look at these guys that
Speaker 1: multiple years of starting and developing and proving themselves against
Speaker 1: different types of players may not be as value when
Speaker 1: perhaps they don't you know, they haven't been hit as much.
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara hasn't been hit as much, whereas Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: has six thousand touches. Is are we underestimating how the
Speaker 1: NFL approaches this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and John Allen has you know, four years of
Speaker 3: work and right Alvin Cooks has three years of work
Speaker 3: and three shorter operations to go along with it. I mean,
Speaker 3: there are questions in so many different directions of the
Speaker 3: groups you mentioned that, there's there's a sample size of
Speaker 3: some of them. There's the medical red flags of others.
Speaker 3: There's I mean, the age question with others. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's a look. Anytime you talk about potential and
Speaker 3: feeling and everything like that, it's it's difficult to understand
Speaker 3: if it's about athleticism, if it's about potential, it's I
Speaker 3: struggle coming up with those terms. To me, all that
Speaker 3: I care about is how someone succeeds on the field.
Speaker 3: I don't even care about the negatives. It's just like
Speaker 3: where they went in the field and if that work.
Speaker 3: In the NFL, yeah, I mean, and even a number
Speaker 3: have don't have a full athletic profile. I mean, Leonard
Speaker 3: Fournette is one, and easy Coe Elliott was one last year,
Speaker 3: Corey Davis as well. There's just a ton of questions
Speaker 3: and I think that just discussed and this isn't answer
Speaker 3: your question at all, but this is just how you know,
Speaker 3: on the Monday or Tuesday before the draft, we have
Speaker 3: no clue what's going to happen starting pick number two.
Speaker 2: All right, So Josh Norris you're hired as a GM
Speaker 2: of Team X, the new Raiders, let's say whenever they
Speaker 2: eventually moved to Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: In twenty suburban Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the new GM of whatever team. What
Speaker 2: is your evaluation process? Take inside the Josh Norris radar map.
Speaker 2: How do you balance in game stuff versus workouts versus
Speaker 2: you know this aspirational P word potential?
Speaker 3: Okay, how much time do you have? So let's okay,
Speaker 3: there's a few different ways. I really love how the
Speaker 3: Packers handled the visits process. They bring in for their
Speaker 3: top thirty prospects who are most likely seventh rounders or
Speaker 3: undrafted free agents. They treat it as recruiting basically, And
Speaker 3: I mean if you just think about it, like, if
Speaker 3: you're a late round guy coming out of who knows where,
Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee State, Dungstown State, whatever, and one team is
Speaker 3: showing you more love than another, you are absolutely more
Speaker 3: likely to find with them once the draft is over
Speaker 3: in that one hour window than a team that you know,
Speaker 3: you haven't heard of since they came and visited your
Speaker 3: your your practice in the fall. So I love how
Speaker 3: the Packers handled handled the visits. I absolutely employ Jack
Speaker 3: Whitman of three sigma athlete who does great work on
Speaker 3: composite course. I think athleticism at certain positions is vital.
Speaker 3: I think it's vital at edge and defensive linemen because
Speaker 3: those are some of the true one one matchups on
Speaker 3: the field. And if you have an athletic advantage, then
Speaker 3: it really I mean, it's key. It gives you a
Speaker 3: leg up. But also we can eliminate the non NFL
Speaker 3: athletes at their specific positions and stay away from them,
Speaker 3: and look, I more than anything, focus on where a
Speaker 3: player succeeds, like I've said before, because everyone can go
Speaker 3: out there and watch a game and see where a
Speaker 3: guy fails and see the negatives. That's the easiest thing.
Speaker 3: But in order to allow your team to win and
Speaker 3: help your team to win, get to put these players,
Speaker 3: these prospects in an area where they succeed and so
Speaker 3: finding the positives is the only thing that matters to
Speaker 3: that end.
Speaker 2: I guess next logical question, if you're again still the GM,
Speaker 2: you haven't been fired yet, what is the deepest What
Speaker 2: is the deepest position out there in this year's draft class?
Speaker 4: Where is it the shallowest, the deepest tight end and
Speaker 4: It's an interesting one to discuss because tight end is
Speaker 4: the slowest developing position in the NFL, even more than
Speaker 4: quarterback it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, so many of these players once they get
Speaker 3: to the NFL, failed to help their first team in
Speaker 3: their first contract. I mean, we see so many, you know,
Speaker 3: produce on their second deals and when they're second or
Speaker 3: thirteen Martella's Bennett, Gary Varnage, Jared Cook, the Lany Walker.
Speaker 3: I mean, the list goes on and on and on,
Speaker 3: and everyone talks about the two top tight ends in
Speaker 3: this class, and I will too, and OJ Howard and
Speaker 3: David and Joku, and I think those guys are plugging
Speaker 3: play in line or if you want to detach them
Speaker 3: as well. But I would be a bit nervous to
Speaker 3: take them super early just because of how slow developing
Speaker 3: it is, although we've seen both do everything that you
Speaker 3: want as a tight end spot. Then after that you
Speaker 3: have all your different types. I mean, I love Evan Ingram.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys too do too. I love George
Speaker 3: kill Kittle out of Iowa. Heck, I'll throw out Eric
Speaker 3: Stylert out of Drake as a as a third day
Speaker 3: pass catching tight end who might go in like the
Speaker 3: third to fourth round another years. Titan is absolutely the
Speaker 3: deepest spot this year and the weakest again. I would
Speaker 3: go to offensive Lindman, an offensive tackle. In fact, I
Speaker 3: think you'll see some third round picks spit on a
Speaker 3: guy like Julian Davenport out of Bucknow, gyland Ware out
Speaker 3: of I believe Alabama's state, and Brad Seaton out of Villanova.
Speaker 3: These guys have gotten a ton of of looks during
Speaker 3: the prospect visits and workouts and all that stuff, and
Speaker 3: I think teams will see them as swing tackles early
Speaker 3: on and hopefully develop them into starting tackles down the line.
Speaker 2: I guess the classic dilemma now, it's right up there.
Speaker 2: I guess, with chicken versus the egg, what should the
Speaker 2: Browns do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so much more informed people than me say
Speaker 3: that Jimmy Garoppolo will not be traded, and I'm not
Speaker 3: sure I would trade for him anyway, So we ruled
Speaker 3: that out.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: I do not like any of these so and I
Speaker 3: don't like Aj mcperrin either as prospects. So we're kind
Speaker 3: of screwed at quarterback if we're being perfectly honest. So
Speaker 3: we continue to load up I love how they handled
Speaker 3: the offensive line because rather than pairing, you know, a
Speaker 3: young quarterback with a great wide receiver, I think now
Speaker 3: pairing them with offense a great offensive line is a
Speaker 3: much better approach. I think you absolutely go Miles Garrett
Speaker 3: at one, and then you find another player who can
Speaker 3: you know, instantly impact, who's not, you know, a year
Speaker 3: away from starting on the field, whether it be Oj
Speaker 3: Howard who I just discussed to run more twelve personnel,
Speaker 3: whether it be Christian mccaffor he if he's on the
Speaker 3: roster or if he's on the board. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if they would even take a running back at twelve.
Speaker 3: But more importantly, I would find some cohesiveness between Hugh Jackson,
Speaker 3: who's absolutely an old school football mind, versus this apparent
Speaker 3: come or or I guess mythical forward thinking analytics department
Speaker 3: that takes everything into consideration and maybe they don't connect
Speaker 3: them decision. I think we saw that last year with
Speaker 3: a Cody Casler situation.
Speaker 1: So I'm of the mind, and this might be just mad,
Speaker 1: but I love doing the deep dives on what certain
Speaker 1: teams take and where value is, and I'm of the
Speaker 1: mind that offensive skill players are not necessarily worth first
Speaker 1: round value, especially if you're a team trying to improve.
Speaker 1: So if somebody is of a similar mind, who is
Speaker 1: available in the second or third round, like second or
Speaker 1: third round wide receiver, running back, tight end that you
Speaker 1: feel like you know even though they're not, Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, Guys like that that
Speaker 1: you feel like the drop off isn't particularly steep and
Speaker 1: can contribute pretty close to right away.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad I get to talk about Kaywan Taylor.
Speaker 3: I love Taywan Taylor. Taywan Taylor reminds me a lot
Speaker 3: of in the right coming out of Baylor. Sure, I
Speaker 3: probably have the best ever kind to write a bit
Speaker 3: too much because he certainly didn't hit his stride in
Speaker 3: the NFL. But if you go back and watch his
Speaker 3: game there, and he's awesome, Teywan, you know, creates separation
Speaker 3: early in his route, he sustains it, he wins after
Speaker 3: the catch, and despite being under six feet tall, Bill
Speaker 3: e'sn't try to go up and get it and win
Speaker 3: in those contested situations. I wouldn't be surprised if he,
Speaker 3: you know, a third round pick but I think Jewan
Speaker 3: Taylor is awesome. Carlos Henderson is a really really fun player.
Speaker 3: If you're looking for someone that essentially could be used
Speaker 3: in a similar fashion as Tyreek Hale during the rookie year,
Speaker 3: I would throw out Carlos Henderson from Who's in attack
Speaker 3: when he is a stud after the catch, just like wait,
Speaker 3: little movement puts one foot in the dirt and gets
Speaker 3: up field immediately. Was easily the best in that area
Speaker 3: last season in all of college football. And again I
Speaker 3: would throw Evan Ingram like I'm not sure if every
Speaker 3: NFL team will know how to use him, because the
Speaker 3: NFL can be done at times. Thought to me, if
Speaker 3: you just put him in the slot as a as
Speaker 3: a big slot receiver, and I even think he's a
Speaker 3: better blocker than people getting credit for, and Evan Ingram
Speaker 3: will be there in around two most likely.
Speaker 1: Are we getting any closer? And I know some teams
Speaker 1: are able to do this, and some teams have struggled
Speaker 1: to figuring out what to do with tweener types like
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned Jabrill Peppers on defense that he's
Speaker 1: sort of a jack of many trades but not necessarily
Speaker 1: a master of one. Offensively. We've seen players recently. You know,
Speaker 1: my heart is with d' Anthony Thomas, and he's never
Speaker 1: really found a consistent role. This year, we have a
Speaker 1: player like Curtis Samuel who has sort of succeeded in
Speaker 1: the slot, running certain kind of routes and succeeded with
Speaker 1: certain kind of carries. Are we any closer to finding
Speaker 1: roles and finding appropriate value for these types of players.
Speaker 3: I really think it's all about the landing spot. I
Speaker 3: really do. I mean, because theoretically someone like Cordarol Patterson
Speaker 3: should find a role in the NFL, and he just
Speaker 3: like didn't outside of you know, as a kick returner
Speaker 3: with the Ministera Vikings. It's tough. And Curtis Samuel is
Speaker 3: a good example, because teams are looking at him as
Speaker 3: a slot receiver. A number of teams are looking at
Speaker 3: him as a running back. I think he's certainly more
Speaker 3: comfortable with the ball in his hands, but I think
Speaker 3: his future is kind of in the slot. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I have a great answer for you. I
Speaker 3: really don't. I but it certainly seems like and I
Speaker 3: can't give you a list of all of them up
Speaker 3: the top my head that with with with so much
Speaker 3: turnover at offensive coordinator at head coach, that only a
Speaker 3: certain number of these offenses are willing to keep a
Speaker 3: role player like that, even though the NFL is made
Speaker 3: up of role players. And I'll have the like, I
Speaker 3: think we kind of obsessed over air back guys that
Speaker 3: succeed in space. I mean, I'll throw out like, I
Speaker 3: mean there's some Josh Ferguson love last year, which was
Speaker 3: absolutely crazy. I mean, it's the same way we obsessed
Speaker 3: over like sec safeties that are in the box and
Speaker 3: just pay people really hard. You know. It's those are
Speaker 3: the two things that that drafts Witter fall in love
Speaker 3: with and and so we might not realize that, Look,
Speaker 3: these guys can only dress five wide receivers on a
Speaker 3: Sunday and three running backs, And does a team really
Speaker 3: want to use one of those spots on someone that
Speaker 3: sure might be able to help on special teams, but
Speaker 3: might also limit them if someone goes down with an
Speaker 3: injury as well?
Speaker 1: Josh, which Patriot League player do you see as a
Speaker 1: sure thing the next level?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I did I said a name earlier.
Speaker 3: Isn't Eric, isn't Drake? In the Patriot League.
Speaker 1: Drake is not in the Patriot League, Sir, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're They're not in the Patriot League. Okay,
Speaker 1: Actually there is a player I want to know about
Speaker 1: who does play in the Northeast, just because I like
Speaker 1: watching him play a lot and he seems like he
Speaker 1: could be a top fifteen, top twenty type pick. I
Speaker 1: also have a soft spot for Temple because I just
Speaker 1: like shouting the world word owls a lot. Hassan Radick
Speaker 1: is somebody who if people have watched college football, especially
Speaker 1: when Temple's played against better teams, he's really shined. What
Speaker 1: is it about his game specifically that you feel like,
Speaker 1: even from you know, a school that doesn't have a
Speaker 1: rich football background, he can succeed pretty greatly in the NFL.
Speaker 3: What funny is a few years ago, I really like
Speaker 3: to hear Whitehead more than anyone else, and I think
Speaker 3: I think their projection is very similar in that well.
Speaker 3: First of all, Hassan Reddick's story is incredible and his
Speaker 3: transition is incredible. I mean, he came and you guys
Speaker 3: know this came on to Temple as like a corner
Speaker 3: slash safety. In fact, I asked him about this as
Speaker 3: a Senior Bowl. He practiced a few times with Robbie
Speaker 3: Anderson at corner and at safety, and obviously Robbie Anderson
Speaker 3: is now a receiver for the Jets. But then he
Speaker 3: went over and gained a bunch of weight and rushed
Speaker 3: up the edge. And also and when he does pass
Speaker 3: rush when he has been he's super athletic. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say that would be his primary move, but he can
Speaker 3: certainly help the team in that way. And then he
Speaker 3: plays off the ball as well. I would say is easy.
Speaker 3: Transition is like that off ball linebacker spot. A team
Speaker 3: might use him as an Anthony Barr type player, or
Speaker 3: if they want to put him on the line, maybe
Speaker 3: a Julian Peterson type player, or they can just pick
Speaker 3: him on the inside like Jamie Collins if they want to.
Speaker 3: I know there's like a bunch of big names I
Speaker 3: just mentioned that like are really really good players. But
Speaker 3: I think Assan Reddick is a really really good player.
Speaker 3: I want to transition this quickly to another prospect who
Speaker 3: I don't think is receiving enough love, who is kind
Speaker 3: of in that storrygain Dion Jordan Mole sure along with
Speaker 3: along with Julian Peterson and that's Tyas Bowser out of Houston.
Speaker 3: I really think Tyas Bowser ends up in the first round,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the teams
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite draft buzzword? You know because you hear
Speaker 2: like football IQ and arm talent. I think it was
Speaker 2: Mike Mayock, the legendary Mike Mayock, who wants to use
Speaker 2: loose hips.
Speaker 1: Do you have any go.
Speaker 4: To phrase that you like?
Speaker 3: There was a time when people were compequking uh prospects
Speaker 3: during like weigh in, and they were talking about their
Speaker 3: bubble and by their bubble, that's their belly and and
Speaker 3: and and like their ad region and but to me,
Speaker 3: that's thinking it a bit fard guy, like I don't
Speaker 3: need to know about someone's bubble.
Speaker 2: The bubble, okay, on the bubble. Give us some sleepers
Speaker 2: in this year's draft, some names. You know you've already
Speaker 2: thrown a few out there, But who are some others
Speaker 2: that you think fall into the sleeper category because of
Speaker 2: injury or a small school, or coaching, or luck or
Speaker 2: a whole variety of different factors.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually still remembering a question that you asked
Speaker 3: a few questions ago, and I do want to mention
Speaker 3: this will apply to one of my names. If I'm
Speaker 3: building a team, the most important part to me is
Speaker 3: is past protecting with five, it's blocking with five, it's
Speaker 3: past rushing with four, it's winning the turnover gferential, and
Speaker 3: then it's creating big plays. All right, So if we're
Speaker 3: talking about someone that can create big plays, Tarik Cohen
Speaker 3: out of North Carolina A and C is like a
Speaker 3: super super fun prospect. I think he's five six or
Speaker 3: five seven and one hundred and seventy pounds, so who
Speaker 3: even knows if he's going to get drafted. But if
Speaker 3: you watch him, like he doesn't care which way the
Speaker 3: zone is, He's just going to run away from everyone
Speaker 3: and evade. It's like if you growing up by played
Speaker 3: NFL Fever. Do you remember that game for the Xbox
Speaker 3: with the back controller with Peyton Manning on the cover.
Speaker 3: I think and my buddy and I I would play
Speaker 3: as Michael Vick and run all the way back to
Speaker 3: my own end zone and then just juke everyone and
Speaker 3: then then the one hundred yards to the other end zone.
Speaker 3: And that's like how Karik Cohen plays football. So maybe
Speaker 3: he did the same thing growing up. I would also
Speaker 3: throw in Elijah Maguire from louising A Lafayette. If there's
Speaker 3: going to be a prospect who I would suggest drafting
Speaker 3: in the fifth of the same around that Mike turn
Speaker 3: into this year's Jordan Howard, it would be Elijah Maguire.
Speaker 3: He's a runner and receiver type. I think he can
Speaker 3: be in the field in all situations. And I'll end
Speaker 3: on Davier Woods out of Louisiana Tech. Zavier Woods is
Speaker 3: a really really good prospect lined up wherever Louisiana Tech
Speaker 3: needs him do. He's a he's a very good athlete
Speaker 3: as well, and and he he is absolutely someone who
Speaker 3: I could see winding up in the third round, even
Speaker 3: though some people don't believe he can find that spot
Speaker 3: in quickly. Just because we all these other Michigan guys
Speaker 3: are being discussed, you know, Jake Budd and Jabil Peppers.
Speaker 3: I actually think Chrits Chris Wormley is the best Michigan
Speaker 3: prospect in this class and deserves we drafted in the
Speaker 3: top thirty two.
Speaker 1: Josh, Which Ninja Turtle or Ninja Turtle character do you
Speaker 1: think is most NFL ready? Given they're both physical and
Speaker 1: mental makeup.
Speaker 3: I would probably say Raphael, because Rafael is the most
Speaker 3: He's the most confident in his ability. You know, I think,
Speaker 3: I know I understand Leonard as the leader whatever, right,
Speaker 3: I think we all agree that Leonardo was not the
Speaker 3: death Okay. I think Donna Tello might get in his
Speaker 3: head a little bit, and I understand everything will be
Speaker 3: well thought off, but at times he can be a
Speaker 3: bit soft. I think if Michelangelo was going to be
Speaker 3: in the NFL, he'd be like Pat McAfee or someone
Speaker 3: like a punter, right, yes, and then I really do
Speaker 3: I could see Rafael being like demonte Casey this year,
Speaker 3: like the corner on the outside who just wants to
Speaker 3: come up and be depressive and packer you down your throat.
Speaker 3: So I would say Rafaieol definitely, even though it's the
Speaker 3: locker room might not love him.
Speaker 1: See. I was going to go rock Steady early on,
Speaker 1: but I think rock Steady is better built for an
Speaker 1: NFL era that is sort of by gone at this point.
Speaker 1: I might go Bebop. I could see Bebop being a
Speaker 1: gronk type where there's just a certain inherent aggression to
Speaker 1: a warthog over the metal. I don't know, ty, do
Speaker 1: you have a thought.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if Josh knew that question was coming
Speaker 2: in advance.
Speaker 1: He did not. He wond percent to not.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: There are many pictures of There are many picture of
Speaker 3: me growing up dressing as an Ninja Turtle. I have
Speaker 3: never thought about this question. Maybe I've dreamt about it,
Speaker 3: my two worlds coming together, but yeah, I was surprised
Speaker 3: at myself having one at the ready right then.
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm I'm looking at the cast of
Speaker 1: characters right now. Krag does not look mobile enough in
Speaker 1: that suit.
Speaker 3: I don't know these people you're talking about right now,
Speaker 3: Like I only knew the four obviously, Splinter Krank was,
Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't remember any others.
Speaker 1: Krag was the brain inside of the large robot.
Speaker 3: Guys, can I ask you this question?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not talking. I'm not talking Power Rangers or
Speaker 3: Ninja Turtles or something like that. But like, what secondary
Speaker 3: show with like Superpowers did you like the most, Because
Speaker 3: for me, you remember like beatle Boards, like I was
Speaker 3: a big fan of Beatleborgs.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I've always ever.
Speaker 3: Watched after you never watched beetle boys.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Beetleborgs. I was going to answer Captain Planet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that's a little bit is.
Speaker 1: That too mainstream?
Speaker 3: More high profile than I'm looking for here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one that keeps coming to mind
Speaker 2: for me is ThunderCats. But I don't know if that qualify.
Speaker 1: That's definitely mainstream.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'm younger than y'all.
Speaker 1: I get Beetleborgs. I mean he didn't throw dig I
Speaker 1: have you heard of digim'd?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: All right, I think this is this is a natural
Speaker 1: ending place, ty. I think we got an all pertinent information.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Again, follow him conveniently named on Twitter at Josh Norris.
Speaker 2: That's Josh and r R I as follow his draft
Speaker 2: coverage with Roto World and NBC Sports. Josh, it's great
Speaker 2: to have you on the show at long last, and
Speaker 2: we'll certainly have to do it again sometime soon.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, guys, I really do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, all right, Dan Again, that's Josh Norris,
Speaker 2: NBC Sports, Roto World of very affable gentleman. I appreciate
Speaker 2: having them on.
Speaker 1: Oh, Josh, which is great. Did you see that he
Speaker 1: went through the full I know rich Eisend runs the forty.
Speaker 1: I want to say Josh went through a number of
Speaker 1: the combine events this year. How I watched him tie?
Speaker 1: Not great? No, actually, you know what, all things considered,
Speaker 1: I saw him do the forty. I saw him do
Speaker 1: some shuttle stuff. I would say he did better than
Speaker 1: I thought he would as just you know, an average,
Speaker 1: just like you or I, you know, twenty nine thirty one.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old he is, your old male.
Speaker 1: I thought he did pretty good all things considered. You know,
Speaker 1: doing it cold is especially difficult. Is there a specific
Speaker 1: event tie that you feel like you could punch above
Speaker 1: your weight class in the in the combine?
Speaker 2: Uh? Probably some sort of throwing drill. Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 2: could do a nice football. You throw a nice ball.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it. You remember we did this a
Speaker 2: while ago?
Speaker 1: That true? I know we did. I'm just yeah, I
Speaker 1: think did I throw it farther than you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you had and I had the punt.
Speaker 1: I don't remember which. I think you might have.
Speaker 2: You might have beaten me on the punt. I should
Speaker 2: really go back and look at it. It's terrible footage.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's definitely like standard definition or a cut blow. And
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that the throwing was my was my
Speaker 2: strongest one, so I could if there were any it
Speaker 2: would be throwing any kind of throwing drill.
Speaker 1: Physically, I'm going to be below average pretty much everywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm an okay athlete, but I just in terms of
Speaker 1: what other people that are like six one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy four pounds can do, I'm not going to be there,
Speaker 1: but Tie, I feel like I would ace the sort
Speaker 1: of interview portion of the combine, Right, I am. I
Speaker 1: can bs with the best of them, Tie, I can.
Speaker 1: I am aware. I am aware that you want to hear,
Speaker 1: Like you want to ask me about the n K. Sure,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the NK. Tie, you want to talk
Speaker 1: about the Cincinnati Reds. I'm with you. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: Uh So, Yeah, I'm a natural leader, I'm ambitious. I
Speaker 1: think I'm great. I wouldn't be in this league if
Speaker 1: I didn't think I were great.
Speaker 2: Also, so also, any kind of classroom event would probably
Speaker 2: be more our speed. You know, the wonderlick, the things
Speaker 2: that really have nothing to do with athletic prowess, right,
Speaker 2: those are the things that we would do best in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. I think I really could,
Speaker 1: you know, look somebody square in the eye, a firm handshake,
Speaker 1: and I could really tell, you know, an assistant GM
Speaker 1: what he or she wants to hear. I'm right there, Ty,
Speaker 1: I would start off by saying, excuse me, mister Norris,
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Speaker 1: I have a question. I think I know the answer
Speaker 1: to this question, but it just struck me that this
Speaker 1: is basically out of college. And you can make your
Speaker 1: jokes about how you know getting paid in bag man,
Speaker 1: you know, top players getting paid in colleges, recruits, whatever,
Speaker 1: but this is this is the first job, right, This
Speaker 1: is the first out of college, entering the workforce job
Speaker 1: for everybody that's going to be drafted, presumably right, right.
Speaker 1: So my question to you, ty is I think I
Speaker 1: know the answer, but that your current mystery day job
Speaker 1: is you've been there for a long time, correct, indeed,
Speaker 1: indeed you happened so you never had a different Did
Speaker 1: you have a different job out of college or is
Speaker 1: this the right? Straight out of college? You've progressed through
Speaker 1: your mystery day job. This is my first full time
Speaker 1: job I've had. I've had numerous other jobs in the
Speaker 1: summertime and whatnot, but yeah, full time, full time. Yes,
Speaker 1: at any point early on, because I had a different
Speaker 1: career path than you. At any point early on, were
Speaker 1: you like the young throw to do errands? Like did
Speaker 1: you have a ton of like dumb busy work that
Speaker 1: you had to do? And I don't want to get
Speaker 1: you in trouble with your job, but I'm saying, did
Speaker 1: you have like typical first early twenty two years old
Speaker 1: out of college. Did you have those like typical busy
Speaker 1: work nonsense situations?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't simplify it to the degree, okay, any of
Speaker 2: it falls into that category. I would just say that
Speaker 2: as a lot of people find when you jump into
Speaker 2: the workforce right out of college, you find yourself doing
Speaker 2: a lot of what I would consider junior level work.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot of stuff like that, never anything
Speaker 2: I would consider busy work.
Speaker 1: Do you when you look back on that time, do
Speaker 1: you feel like you did a good job, not at
Speaker 1: your actual job, but of being a new fresh face
Speaker 1: in the workforce. Did you wear your shirts ironed? Did
Speaker 1: you pack yourself some lunch? Did you were you always
Speaker 1: showing up on time? Did you ever cut out early?
Speaker 2: I think I was doing my part. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: much of a rule breaker as it relates to my
Speaker 2: steady source of income. No, I usually try to look presentable.
Speaker 1: I had so much dumb like I had. So my
Speaker 1: first job was a paid internship for a production company,
Speaker 1: So I was picking up lunches for like the entire office.
Speaker 1: It was a production company movies and TV and actually
Speaker 1: some some theater stuff. But I had so much just
Speaker 1: grunt work. Tie I was delivering scripts. I took the
Speaker 1: father of one of the main producers at the company.
Speaker 1: I took him on errands, one of which included buying him, well,
Speaker 1: going with him to buy a jockstrap oh wow, at
Speaker 1: a at a sporting good store because he lived in
Speaker 1: Mexico and could not get jockstraps in Mexico. I had
Speaker 1: to do a lot tye And it kind of bums
Speaker 1: me out that you never had to live that life,
Speaker 1: because it was not that fun. I delivered a script
Speaker 1: to Kyle Gass of TENACIOUSD.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was that I met Chris Hardwick. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not all that interesting, but yeah it was. It
Speaker 1: was kind of a bummer of like a six months
Speaker 1: hun I left and got another job. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's just interesting when I think back on it, which
Speaker 1: is what what three four years ago now. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think about that these soon to be NFL players, this
Speaker 1: is their first full time gig and they're not going
Speaker 1: to have to do any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably never, No, I think they'll probably seventy five
Speaker 1: percent of them will actually have a job that is
Speaker 1: like the NCAA commercial says in something other than sports.
Speaker 2: Trying to start a podcast in exactly twenty Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. But yeah, different tie, different life.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, fun show. We will be back next Wednesday.
Speaker 2: M hm. This again is a little bit of an
Speaker 2: early drop this week because the draft starts on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: You need some time to download and digest what Josh
Speaker 2: had to say. But do throw him a follow at
Speaker 2: Josh Norris on Twitter and look for his draft coverage
Speaker 2: again with Rotal World and NBC Sports dand best of
Speaker 2: luck on your live show. I'll watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. Should we tease who are having
Speaker 1: on the show next week, we can, Okay, I won't
Speaker 1: say her name, and we're gonna go out on this
Speaker 1: tie and what we'll sign off, all right, But she's
Speaker 1: a current Supreme Court justice, so that's all I can say.
Speaker 1: It's all I can say.
Speaker 2: Ty on that note for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,
Speaker 2: my name is Ty Hildebrand. Thanks again for tuning in.
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Speaker 2: on next week and stay summer peace,