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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: Whoo whoo? And no, Dan and Tye, welcome back to

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Speaker 2: hilden Brandt. Thatat man over there on the other side

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Speaker 2: of the line, his name is Dan Rubinstein in New

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Speaker 2: York City. Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Rubinstein. As far as you know, I'm good. Ty.

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Speaker 1: Life is good. It's uh god, I'm five weeks out.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, Yeah, he was gonna say it, Bliss. Are there

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Speaker 2: any nerves you're getting nervous? No, Ty, things are coming

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Speaker 2: together pretty nicely. So I got my suits and I

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Speaker 2: the draft of this week. So I'm very excited that

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Speaker 2: we're having Josh Norris on from NBC and rhotal Worlds.

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Speaker 1: Let you know has sprung. Tie life is just grand.

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Speaker 2: A fantastic follow in the Twitter sphere. If you're into

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Speaker 2: But our guest of Vanna this evening is at Josh

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Speaker 2: Norris will bring him on momentarily to talk about all

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Speaker 2: things NFL Draft. What are you doing for the draft?

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Speaker 2: You got anything special planned?

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Speaker 1: Ty, I'm glad you asked. We here at espanation dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's a website. Are doing a four to five hour

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing some fun things. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a pizza topping draft at a certain point.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what knock I think it's called knocker ball.

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Speaker 2: No, I never never heard of that in my life.

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Speaker 3: Is an absolute honor, Guys, I really appreciate it. I'm great.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I think it's the third corner spot or

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Speaker 2: Let me shift gears a little bit. You've got Christian

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Speaker 3: And I guarantee you you guys will back me up

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it seems this year that offensive line is a

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Speaker 3: On a bigger picture. My buddy Eric Soner actually made

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Speaker 1: It just seems this year, especially with like a one

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Speaker 1: year starter Malik Hooker, I don't believe has started for

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Speaker 1: more than a year obviously, Mitch Mitchell Trubisky, you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Garrett Bowls, marsha On Latimore, Marshaun Lattimore. Absolutely. Is it

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Speaker 1: a situation where we are sort of not considering what

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Speaker 1: the NFL does when they look at these guys that

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Speaker 1: multiple years of starting and developing and proving themselves against

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Speaker 1: different types of players may not be as value when

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Speaker 1: perhaps they don't you know, they haven't been hit as much.

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Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara hasn't been hit as much, whereas Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: has six thousand touches. Is are we underestimating how the

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Speaker 1: NFL approaches this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and John Allen has you know, four years of

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Speaker 3: work and right Alvin Cooks has three years of work

447
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Speaker 3: and three shorter operations to go along with it. I mean,

448
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Speaker 3: there are questions in so many different directions of the

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Speaker 3: groups you mentioned that, there's there's a sample size of

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Speaker 3: some of them. There's the medical red flags of others.

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Speaker 3: There's I mean, the age question with others. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's it's a look. Anytime you talk about potential and

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Speaker 3: feeling and everything like that, it's it's difficult to understand

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Speaker 3: if it's about athleticism, if it's about potential, it's I

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Speaker 3: struggle coming up with those terms. To me, all that

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Speaker 3: I care about is how someone succeeds on the field.

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Speaker 3: I don't even care about the negatives. It's just like

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Speaker 3: where they went in the field and if that work.

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Speaker 3: In the NFL, yeah, I mean, and even a number

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Speaker 3: have don't have a full athletic profile. I mean, Leonard

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Speaker 3: Fournette is one, and easy Coe Elliott was one last year,

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Speaker 3: Corey Davis as well. There's just a ton of questions

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Speaker 3: and I think that just discussed and this isn't answer

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Speaker 3: your question at all, but this is just how you know,

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Speaker 3: on the Monday or Tuesday before the draft, we have

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Speaker 3: no clue what's going to happen starting pick number two.

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Speaker 2: All right, So Josh Norris you're hired as a GM

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Speaker 2: of Team X, the new Raiders, let's say whenever they

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Speaker 2: eventually moved to Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: In twenty suburban Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the new GM of whatever team. What

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Speaker 2: is your evaluation process? Take inside the Josh Norris radar map.

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Speaker 2: How do you balance in game stuff versus workouts versus

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Speaker 2: you know this aspirational P word potential?

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Speaker 3: Okay, how much time do you have? So let's okay,

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Speaker 3: there's a few different ways. I really love how the

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Speaker 3: Packers handled the visits process. They bring in for their

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Speaker 3: top thirty prospects who are most likely seventh rounders or

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Speaker 3: undrafted free agents. They treat it as recruiting basically, And

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Speaker 3: I mean if you just think about it, like, if

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Speaker 3: you're a late round guy coming out of who knows where,

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Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee State, Dungstown State, whatever, and one team is

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Speaker 3: showing you more love than another, you are absolutely more

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Speaker 3: likely to find with them once the draft is over

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Speaker 3: in that one hour window than a team that you know,

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Speaker 3: you haven't heard of since they came and visited your

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Speaker 3: your your practice in the fall. So I love how

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Speaker 3: the Packers handled handled the visits. I absolutely employ Jack

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Speaker 3: Whitman of three sigma athlete who does great work on

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Speaker 3: composite course. I think athleticism at certain positions is vital.

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Speaker 3: I think it's vital at edge and defensive linemen because

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Speaker 3: those are some of the true one one matchups on

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Speaker 3: the field. And if you have an athletic advantage, then

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Speaker 3: it really I mean, it's key. It gives you a

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Speaker 3: leg up. But also we can eliminate the non NFL

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Speaker 3: athletes at their specific positions and stay away from them,

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Speaker 3: and look, I more than anything, focus on where a

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Speaker 3: player succeeds, like I've said before, because everyone can go

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Speaker 3: out there and watch a game and see where a

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Speaker 3: guy fails and see the negatives. That's the easiest thing.

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Speaker 3: But in order to allow your team to win and

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Speaker 3: help your team to win, get to put these players,

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Speaker 3: these prospects in an area where they succeed and so

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Speaker 3: finding the positives is the only thing that matters to

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Speaker 3: that end.

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Speaker 2: I guess next logical question, if you're again still the GM,

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Speaker 2: you haven't been fired yet, what is the deepest What

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Speaker 2: is the deepest position out there in this year's draft class?

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Speaker 4: Where is it the shallowest, the deepest tight end and

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting one to discuss because tight end is

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Speaker 4: the slowest developing position in the NFL, even more than

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Speaker 4: quarterback it is.

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Speaker 3: I mean, so many of these players once they get

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Speaker 3: to the NFL, failed to help their first team in

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Speaker 3: their first contract. I mean, we see so many, you know,

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Speaker 3: produce on their second deals and when they're second or

517
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Speaker 3: thirteen Martella's Bennett, Gary Varnage, Jared Cook, the Lany Walker.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the list goes on and on and on,

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Speaker 3: and everyone talks about the two top tight ends in

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Speaker 3: this class, and I will too, and OJ Howard and

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Speaker 3: David and Joku, and I think those guys are plugging

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Speaker 3: play in line or if you want to detach them

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Speaker 3: as well. But I would be a bit nervous to

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Speaker 3: take them super early just because of how slow developing

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Speaker 3: it is, although we've seen both do everything that you

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Speaker 3: want as a tight end spot. Then after that you

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Speaker 3: have all your different types. I mean, I love Evan Ingram.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys too do too. I love George

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Speaker 3: kill Kittle out of Iowa. Heck, I'll throw out Eric

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Speaker 3: Stylert out of Drake as a as a third day

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Speaker 3: pass catching tight end who might go in like the

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Speaker 3: third to fourth round another years. Titan is absolutely the

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Speaker 3: deepest spot this year and the weakest again. I would

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Speaker 3: go to offensive Lindman, an offensive tackle. In fact, I

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Speaker 3: think you'll see some third round picks spit on a

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Speaker 3: guy like Julian Davenport out of Bucknow, gyland Ware out

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Speaker 3: of I believe Alabama's state, and Brad Seaton out of Villanova.

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Speaker 3: These guys have gotten a ton of of looks during

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Speaker 3: the prospect visits and workouts and all that stuff, and

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Speaker 3: I think teams will see them as swing tackles early

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Speaker 3: on and hopefully develop them into starting tackles down the line.

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Speaker 2: I guess the classic dilemma now, it's right up there.

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Speaker 2: I guess, with chicken versus the egg, what should the

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Speaker 2: Browns do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so much more informed people than me say

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Speaker 3: that Jimmy Garoppolo will not be traded, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure I would trade for him anyway, So we ruled

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Speaker 3: that out.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I do not like any of these so and I

551
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Speaker 3: don't like Aj mcperrin either as prospects. So we're kind

552
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Speaker 3: of screwed at quarterback if we're being perfectly honest. So

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Speaker 3: we continue to load up I love how they handled

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Speaker 3: the offensive line because rather than pairing, you know, a

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Speaker 3: young quarterback with a great wide receiver, I think now

556
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Speaker 3: pairing them with offense a great offensive line is a

557
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Speaker 3: much better approach. I think you absolutely go Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: at one, and then you find another player who can

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Speaker 3: you know, instantly impact, who's not, you know, a year

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Speaker 3: away from starting on the field, whether it be Oj

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Speaker 3: Howard who I just discussed to run more twelve personnel,

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Speaker 3: whether it be Christian mccaffor he if he's on the

563
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Speaker 3: roster or if he's on the board. I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: if they would even take a running back at twelve.

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Speaker 3: But more importantly, I would find some cohesiveness between Hugh Jackson,

566
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Speaker 3: who's absolutely an old school football mind, versus this apparent

567
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Speaker 3: come or or I guess mythical forward thinking analytics department

568
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Speaker 3: that takes everything into consideration and maybe they don't connect

569
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Speaker 3: them decision. I think we saw that last year with

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Speaker 3: a Cody Casler situation.

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Speaker 1: So I'm of the mind, and this might be just mad,

572
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Speaker 1: but I love doing the deep dives on what certain

573
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Speaker 1: teams take and where value is, and I'm of the

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Speaker 1: mind that offensive skill players are not necessarily worth first

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Speaker 1: round value, especially if you're a team trying to improve.

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Speaker 1: So if somebody is of a similar mind, who is

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Speaker 1: available in the second or third round, like second or

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Speaker 1: third round wide receiver, running back, tight end that you

579
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Speaker 1: feel like you know even though they're not, Dalvin Cook,

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, Corey Davis, Mike Williams, Guys like that that

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Speaker 1: you feel like the drop off isn't particularly steep and

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Speaker 1: can contribute pretty close to right away.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm so glad I get to talk about Kaywan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I love Taywan Taylor. Taywan Taylor reminds me a lot

585
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Speaker 3: of in the right coming out of Baylor. Sure, I

586
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Speaker 3: probably have the best ever kind to write a bit

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Speaker 3: too much because he certainly didn't hit his stride in

588
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Speaker 3: the NFL. But if you go back and watch his

589
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Speaker 3: game there, and he's awesome, Teywan, you know, creates separation

590
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Speaker 3: early in his route, he sustains it, he wins after

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Speaker 3: the catch, and despite being under six feet tall, Bill

592
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Speaker 3: e'sn't try to go up and get it and win

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Speaker 3: in those contested situations. I wouldn't be surprised if he,

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Speaker 3: you know, a third round pick but I think Jewan

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Speaker 3: Taylor is awesome. Carlos Henderson is a really really fun player.

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Speaker 3: If you're looking for someone that essentially could be used

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Speaker 3: in a similar fashion as Tyreek Hale during the rookie year,

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Speaker 3: I would throw out Carlos Henderson from Who's in attack

599
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Speaker 3: when he is a stud after the catch, just like wait,

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Speaker 3: little movement puts one foot in the dirt and gets

601
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Speaker 3: up field immediately. Was easily the best in that area

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Speaker 3: last season in all of college football. And again I

603
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Speaker 3: would throw Evan Ingram like I'm not sure if every

604
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Speaker 3: NFL team will know how to use him, because the

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Speaker 3: NFL can be done at times. Thought to me, if

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Speaker 3: you just put him in the slot as a as

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Speaker 3: a big slot receiver, and I even think he's a

608
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Speaker 3: better blocker than people getting credit for, and Evan Ingram

609
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Speaker 3: will be there in around two most likely.

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Speaker 1: Are we getting any closer? And I know some teams

611
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Speaker 1: are able to do this, and some teams have struggled

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Speaker 1: to figuring out what to do with tweener types like

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Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned Jabrill Peppers on defense that he's

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Speaker 1: sort of a jack of many trades but not necessarily

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Speaker 1: a master of one. Offensively. We've seen players recently. You know,

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Speaker 1: my heart is with d' Anthony Thomas, and he's never

617
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Speaker 1: really found a consistent role. This year, we have a

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Speaker 1: player like Curtis Samuel who has sort of succeeded in

619
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Speaker 1: the slot, running certain kind of routes and succeeded with

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Speaker 1: certain kind of carries. Are we any closer to finding

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Speaker 1: roles and finding appropriate value for these types of players.

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Speaker 3: I really think it's all about the landing spot. I

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Speaker 3: really do. I mean, because theoretically someone like Cordarol Patterson

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Speaker 3: should find a role in the NFL, and he just

625
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Speaker 3: like didn't outside of you know, as a kick returner

626
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Speaker 3: with the Ministera Vikings. It's tough. And Curtis Samuel is

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Speaker 3: a good example, because teams are looking at him as

628
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Speaker 3: a slot receiver. A number of teams are looking at

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Speaker 3: him as a running back. I think he's certainly more

630
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Speaker 3: comfortable with the ball in his hands, but I think

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Speaker 3: his future is kind of in the slot. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I have a great answer for you. I

633
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Speaker 3: really don't. I but it certainly seems like and I

634
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Speaker 3: can't give you a list of all of them up

635
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Speaker 3: the top my head that with with with so much

636
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Speaker 3: turnover at offensive coordinator at head coach, that only a

637
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Speaker 3: certain number of these offenses are willing to keep a

638
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Speaker 3: role player like that, even though the NFL is made

639
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Speaker 3: up of role players. And I'll have the like, I

640
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Speaker 3: think we kind of obsessed over air back guys that

641
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Speaker 3: succeed in space. I mean, I'll throw out like, I

642
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Speaker 3: mean there's some Josh Ferguson love last year, which was

643
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Speaker 3: absolutely crazy. I mean, it's the same way we obsessed

644
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Speaker 3: over like sec safeties that are in the box and

645
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Speaker 3: just pay people really hard. You know. It's those are

646
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Speaker 3: the two things that that drafts Witter fall in love

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Speaker 3: with and and so we might not realize that, Look,

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Speaker 3: these guys can only dress five wide receivers on a

649
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Speaker 3: Sunday and three running backs, And does a team really

650
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Speaker 3: want to use one of those spots on someone that

651
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: sure might be able to help on special teams, but

652
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: might also limit them if someone goes down with an

653
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 3: injury as well?

654
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Speaker 1: Josh, which Patriot League player do you see as a

655
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: sure thing the next level?

656
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I did I said a name earlier.

657
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: Isn't Eric, isn't Drake? In the Patriot League.

658
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Drake is not in the Patriot League, Sir, I don't

659
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: know what they're They're not in the Patriot League. Okay,

660
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: Actually there is a player I want to know about

661
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: who does play in the Northeast, just because I like

662
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: watching him play a lot and he seems like he

663
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: could be a top fifteen, top twenty type pick. I

664
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Speaker 1: also have a soft spot for Temple because I just

665
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: like shouting the world word owls a lot. Hassan Radick

666
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: is somebody who if people have watched college football, especially

667
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: when Temple's played against better teams, he's really shined. What

668
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: is it about his game specifically that you feel like,

669
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Speaker 1: even from you know, a school that doesn't have a

670
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: rich football background, he can succeed pretty greatly in the NFL.

671
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: What funny is a few years ago, I really like

672
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: to hear Whitehead more than anyone else, and I think

673
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 3: I think their projection is very similar in that well.

674
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: First of all, Hassan Reddick's story is incredible and his

675
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: transition is incredible. I mean, he came and you guys

676
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: know this came on to Temple as like a corner

677
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: slash safety. In fact, I asked him about this as

678
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: a Senior Bowl. He practiced a few times with Robbie

679
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: Anderson at corner and at safety, and obviously Robbie Anderson

680
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: is now a receiver for the Jets. But then he

681
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 3: went over and gained a bunch of weight and rushed

682
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: up the edge. And also and when he does pass

683
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: rush when he has been he's super athletic. I wouldn't

684
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: say that would be his primary move, but he can

685
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: certainly help the team in that way. And then he

686
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 3: plays off the ball as well. I would say is easy.

687
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: Transition is like that off ball linebacker spot. A team

688
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: might use him as an Anthony Barr type player, or

689
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: if they want to put him on the line, maybe

690
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: a Julian Peterson type player, or they can just pick

691
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: him on the inside like Jamie Collins if they want to.

692
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: I know there's like a bunch of big names I

693
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: just mentioned that like are really really good players. But

694
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: I think Assan Reddick is a really really good player.

695
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: I want to transition this quickly to another prospect who

696
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 3: I don't think is receiving enough love, who is kind

697
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: of in that storrygain Dion Jordan Mole sure along with

698
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: along with Julian Peterson and that's Tyas Bowser out of Houston.

699
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: I really think Tyas Bowser ends up in the first round,

700
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Speaker 3: and I wouldn't be surprised if it's in the teams

701
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 3: as well.

702
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: What's your favorite draft buzzword? You know because you hear

703
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: like football IQ and arm talent. I think it was

704
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: Mike Mayock, the legendary Mike Mayock, who wants to use

705
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: loose hips.

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Do you have any go.

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00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 4: To phrase that you like?

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00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: There was a time when people were compequking uh prospects

709
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 3: during like weigh in, and they were talking about their

710
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: bubble and by their bubble, that's their belly and and

711
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: and and like their ad region and but to me,

712
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: that's thinking it a bit fard guy, like I don't

713
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 3: need to know about someone's bubble.

714
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: The bubble, okay, on the bubble. Give us some sleepers

715
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: in this year's draft, some names. You know you've already

716
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: thrown a few out there, But who are some others

717
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: that you think fall into the sleeper category because of

718
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: injury or a small school, or coaching, or luck or

719
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: a whole variety of different factors.

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00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: So I'm actually still remembering a question that you asked

721
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: a few questions ago, and I do want to mention

722
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 3: this will apply to one of my names. If I'm

723
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 3: building a team, the most important part to me is

724
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: is past protecting with five, it's blocking with five, it's

725
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: past rushing with four, it's winning the turnover gferential, and

726
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: then it's creating big plays. All right, So if we're

727
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: talking about someone that can create big plays, Tarik Cohen

728
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: out of North Carolina A and C is like a

729
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: super super fun prospect. I think he's five six or

730
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: five seven and one hundred and seventy pounds, so who

731
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: even knows if he's going to get drafted. But if

732
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: you watch him, like he doesn't care which way the

733
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 3: zone is, He's just going to run away from everyone

734
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: and evade. It's like if you growing up by played

735
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 3: NFL Fever. Do you remember that game for the Xbox

736
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: with the back controller with Peyton Manning on the cover.

737
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: I think and my buddy and I I would play

738
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: as Michael Vick and run all the way back to

739
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: my own end zone and then just juke everyone and

740
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: then then the one hundred yards to the other end zone.

741
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 3: And that's like how Karik Cohen plays football. So maybe

742
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: he did the same thing growing up. I would also

743
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: throw in Elijah Maguire from louising A Lafayette. If there's

744
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: going to be a prospect who I would suggest drafting

745
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: in the fifth of the same around that Mike turn

746
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: into this year's Jordan Howard, it would be Elijah Maguire.

747
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: He's a runner and receiver type. I think he can

748
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: be in the field in all situations. And I'll end

749
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: on Davier Woods out of Louisiana Tech. Zavier Woods is

750
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: a really really good prospect lined up wherever Louisiana Tech

751
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: needs him do. He's a he's a very good athlete

752
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: as well, and and he he is absolutely someone who

753
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: I could see winding up in the third round, even

754
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: though some people don't believe he can find that spot

755
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: in quickly. Just because we all these other Michigan guys

756
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: are being discussed, you know, Jake Budd and Jabil Peppers.

757
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: I actually think Chrits Chris Wormley is the best Michigan

758
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: prospect in this class and deserves we drafted in the

759
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: top thirty two.

760
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: Josh, Which Ninja Turtle or Ninja Turtle character do you

761
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: think is most NFL ready? Given they're both physical and

762
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: mental makeup.

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Speaker 3: I would probably say Raphael, because Rafael is the most

764
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: He's the most confident in his ability. You know, I think,

765
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: I know I understand Leonard as the leader whatever, right,

766
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: I think we all agree that Leonardo was not the

767
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: death Okay. I think Donna Tello might get in his

768
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: head a little bit, and I understand everything will be

769
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: well thought off, but at times he can be a

770
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: bit soft. I think if Michelangelo was going to be

771
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 3: in the NFL, he'd be like Pat McAfee or someone

772
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: like a punter, right, yes, and then I really do

773
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: I could see Rafael being like demonte Casey this year,

774
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: like the corner on the outside who just wants to

775
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: come up and be depressive and packer you down your throat.

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Speaker 3: So I would say Rafaieol definitely, even though it's the

777
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 3: locker room might not love him.

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Speaker 1: See. I was going to go rock Steady early on,

779
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: but I think rock Steady is better built for an

780
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: NFL era that is sort of by gone at this point.

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00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: I might go Bebop. I could see Bebop being a

782
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Speaker 1: gronk type where there's just a certain inherent aggression to

783
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: a warthog over the metal. I don't know, ty, do

784
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Speaker 1: you have a thought.

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00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if Josh knew that question was coming

786
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Speaker 2: in advance.

787
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: He did not. He wond percent to not.

788
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Speaker 2: So.

789
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: There are many pictures of There are many picture of

790
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: me growing up dressing as an Ninja Turtle. I have

791
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: never thought about this question. Maybe I've dreamt about it,

792
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 3: my two worlds coming together, but yeah, I was surprised

793
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: at myself having one at the ready right then.

794
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm I'm looking at the cast of

795
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: characters right now. Krag does not look mobile enough in

796
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: that suit.

797
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: I don't know these people you're talking about right now,

798
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: Like I only knew the four obviously, Splinter Krank was,

799
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 3: I didn't. I don't remember any others.

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Speaker 1: Krag was the brain inside of the large robot.

801
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: Guys, can I ask you this question?

802
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Please?

803
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not talking. I'm not talking Power Rangers or

804
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: Ninja Turtles or something like that. But like, what secondary

805
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: show with like Superpowers did you like the most, Because

806
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: for me, you remember like beatle Boards, like I was

807
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: a big fan of Beatleborgs.

808
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it and I've always ever.

809
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: Watched after you never watched beetle boys.

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch Beetleborgs. I was going to answer Captain Planet.

811
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that's a little bit is.

812
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: That too mainstream?

813
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: More high profile than I'm looking for here?

814
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only one that keeps coming to mind

815
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: for me is ThunderCats. But I don't know if that qualify.

816
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: That's definitely mainstream.

817
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I'm younger than y'all.

818
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: I get Beetleborgs. I mean he didn't throw dig I

819
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: have you heard of digim'd?

820
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: Man?

821
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: All right, I think this is this is a natural

822
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: ending place, ty. I think we got an all pertinent information.

823
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: All right.

824
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Again, follow him conveniently named on Twitter at Josh Norris.

825
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: That's Josh and r R I as follow his draft

826
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Speaker 2: coverage with Roto World and NBC Sports. Josh, it's great

827
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Speaker 2: to have you on the show at long last, and

828
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: we'll certainly have to do it again sometime soon.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, guys, I really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Have a good one, all right, Dan Again, that's Josh Norris,

831
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: NBC Sports, Roto World of very affable gentleman. I appreciate

832
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: having them on.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Josh, which is great. Did you see that he

834
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Speaker 1: went through the full I know rich Eisend runs the forty.

835
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Speaker 1: I want to say Josh went through a number of

836
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: the combine events this year. How I watched him tie?

837
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: Not great? No, actually, you know what, all things considered,

838
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: I saw him do the forty. I saw him do

839
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: some shuttle stuff. I would say he did better than

840
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: I thought he would as just you know, an average,

841
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: just like you or I, you know, twenty nine thirty one.

842
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how old he is, your old male.

843
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: I thought he did pretty good all things considered. You know,

844
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: doing it cold is especially difficult. Is there a specific

845
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: event tie that you feel like you could punch above

846
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: your weight class in the in the combine?

847
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Speaker 2: Uh? Probably some sort of throwing drill. Okay, yeah, I

848
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: could do a nice football. You throw a nice ball.

849
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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did it. You remember we did this a

851
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: while ago?

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00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: That true? I know we did. I'm just yeah, I

853
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: think did I throw it farther than you?

854
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: No?

855
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you had and I had the punt.

856
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember which. I think you might have.

857
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: You might have beaten me on the punt. I should

858
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: really go back and look at it. It's terrible footage.

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00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure though.

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00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

861
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: It's definitely like standard definition or a cut blow. And

862
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that the throwing was my was my

863
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: strongest one, so I could if there were any it

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00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: would be throwing any kind of throwing drill.

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Speaker 1: Physically, I'm going to be below average pretty much everywhere.

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00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm an okay athlete, but I just in terms of

867
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Speaker 1: what other people that are like six one hundred and

868
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869
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Speaker 1: but Tie, I feel like I would ace the sort

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871
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Speaker 1: can bs with the best of them, Tie, I can.

872
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the NK. Tie, you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about the Cincinnati Reds. I'm with you. I'm ready to go.

876
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Speaker 1: Uh So, Yeah, I'm a natural leader, I'm ambitious. I

877
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Speaker 1: think I'm great. I wouldn't be in this league if

878
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Speaker 1: I didn't think I were great.

879
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Speaker 2: Also, so also, any kind of classroom event would probably

880
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Speaker 2: be more our speed. You know, the wonderlick, the things

881
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: that really have nothing to do with athletic prowess, right,

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Speaker 2: those are the things that we would do best in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true. I think I really could,

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Speaker 1: I have a question. I think I know the answer

927
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Speaker 1: to this question, but it just struck me that this

928
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: is basically out of college. And you can make your

929
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: jokes about how you know getting paid in bag man,

930
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: you know, top players getting paid in colleges, recruits, whatever,

931
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: but this is this is the first job, right, This

932
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: is the first out of college, entering the workforce job

933
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: for everybody that's going to be drafted, presumably right, right.

934
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Speaker 1: So my question to you, ty is I think I

935
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: know the answer, but that your current mystery day job

936
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Speaker 1: is you've been there for a long time, correct, indeed,

937
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: indeed you happened so you never had a different Did

938
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Speaker 1: you have a different job out of college or is

939
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: this the right? Straight out of college? You've progressed through

940
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: your mystery day job. This is my first full time

941
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: job I've had. I've had numerous other jobs in the

942
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: summertime and whatnot, but yeah, full time, full time. Yes,

943
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: at any point early on, because I had a different

944
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: career path than you. At any point early on, were

945
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: you like the young throw to do errands? Like did

946
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: you have a ton of like dumb busy work that

947
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: you had to do? And I don't want to get

948
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: you in trouble with your job, but I'm saying, did

949
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: you have like typical first early twenty two years old

950
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: out of college. Did you have those like typical busy

951
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: work nonsense situations?

952
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't simplify it to the degree, okay, any of

953
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 2: it falls into that category. I would just say that

954
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: as a lot of people find when you jump into

955
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Speaker 2: the workforce right out of college, you find yourself doing

956
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Speaker 2: a lot of what I would consider junior level work.

957
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Speaker 2: So it's a lot of stuff like that, never anything

958
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Speaker 2: I would consider busy work.

959
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Speaker 1: Do you when you look back on that time, do

960
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Speaker 1: you feel like you did a good job, not at

961
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Speaker 1: your actual job, but of being a new fresh face

962
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Speaker 1: in the workforce. Did you wear your shirts ironed? Did

963
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: you pack yourself some lunch? Did you were you always

964
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Speaker 1: showing up on time? Did you ever cut out early?

965
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Speaker 2: I think I was doing my part. Yeah, I'm not

966
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Speaker 2: much of a rule breaker as it relates to my

967
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Speaker 2: steady source of income. No, I usually try to look presentable.

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Speaker 1: I had so much dumb like I had. So my

969
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Speaker 1: first job was a paid internship for a production company,

970
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Speaker 1: So I was picking up lunches for like the entire office.

971
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Speaker 1: It was a production company movies and TV and actually

972
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Speaker 1: some some theater stuff. But I had so much just

973
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Speaker 1: grunt work. Tie I was delivering scripts. I took the

974
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Speaker 1: father of one of the main producers at the company.

975
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Speaker 1: I took him on errands, one of which included buying him, well,

976
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Speaker 1: going with him to buy a jockstrap oh wow, at

977
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Speaker 1: a at a sporting good store because he lived in

978
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Speaker 1: Mexico and could not get jockstraps in Mexico. I had

979
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Speaker 1: to do a lot tye And it kind of bums

980
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: me out that you never had to live that life,

981
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Speaker 1: because it was not that fun. I delivered a script

982
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Speaker 1: to Kyle Gass of TENACIOUSD.

983
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Speaker 3: Though.

984
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was that I met Chris Hardwick. Okay,

985
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: it's not all that interesting, but yeah it was. It

986
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Speaker 1: was kind of a bummer of like a six months

987
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: hun I left and got another job. But yeah, so

988
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Speaker 1: it's just interesting when I think back on it, which

989
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: is what what three four years ago now. Yeah, I

990
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: think about that these soon to be NFL players, this

991
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: is their first full time gig and they're not going

992
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: to have to do any of that stuff.

993
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: Interesting.

994
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably never, No, I think they'll probably seventy five

995
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Speaker 1: percent of them will actually have a job that is

996
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: like the NCAA commercial says in something other than sports.

997
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: Trying to start a podcast in exactly twenty Yeah.

998
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. But yeah, different tie, different life.

999
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 2: All right, Well, fun show. We will be back next Wednesday.

1000
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: M hm. This again is a little bit of an

1001
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: early drop this week because the draft starts on Thursday night.

1002
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: You need some time to download and digest what Josh

1003
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: had to say. But do throw him a follow at

1004
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: Josh Norris on Twitter and look for his draft coverage

1005
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: again with Rotal World and NBC Sports dand best of

1006
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 2: luck on your live show. I'll watch.

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00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. Should we tease who are having

1008
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: on the show next week, we can, Okay, I won't

1009
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Speaker 1: say her name, and we're gonna go out on this

1010
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: tie and what we'll sign off, all right, But she's

1011
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: a current Supreme Court justice, so that's all I can say.

1012
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: It's all I can say.

1013
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: Ty on that note for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein,

1014
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: my name is Ty Hildebrand. Thanks again for tuning in.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe at iTunes dot com, slash Solid Verbal, Catch you

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Speaker 2: on next week and stay summer peace,