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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know what stories

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Speaker 1: of things we simply don't know the answer to. Welcome back, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for coming back. I am Steve and this

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Speaker 1: is Thinking Sideways the podcast, and always, as always have

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Speaker 1: got my co host with me. I'm Devino. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, your your language is kind of exclusionary because

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Speaker 1: you're only welcoming back to people who have already listened

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Speaker 1: to us, and welcome back to all of our previous listeners,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to all of our new listeners. Yes, thank you, sir,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you for clarifying that for me. Well, tonight we

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Speaker 1: are going to talk about a story that is a

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Speaker 1: bit of a mystery and it's not solved. It's just

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a Mrs Smitch pretty a bit.

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Speaker 1: It's not yet unsolved, it's not shortly to be solved. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's it's still unsolved at this moment, but

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Speaker 1: not until you get your hands on it. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: got it. Okay, Sideways is going to crack this one

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Speaker 1: like a walnut. Apparently we do that every week. Sorry everyone,

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Speaker 1: all right, well let's let's get into this. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: just a little background, how I got this. This particular

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Speaker 1: story is I just finished reading recently the book The

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Speaker 1: Code Book by Simon Sing. I read that book. I

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Speaker 1: liked it. You didn't know are you gonna? Why would I?

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Speaker 1: You guys are now obviously like really really good at

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Speaker 1: this stuff, right, cryptographer, I need to get better at

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Speaker 1: the other stuff that's happening, Like who needs like three

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Speaker 1: code breakers? One? That's true. Obviously, we've we've given away

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Speaker 1: that The Code Book is about code breaking. It's also

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Speaker 1: about the history of and it is. It's really interesting,

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Speaker 1: and it's by a guy named Simon Saying, And anybody

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Speaker 1: who's interested in Cipher's go pick that book up. It's

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Speaker 1: really awesome. That's yeah, it's a very it's a very

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Speaker 1: good and easy read. But one of the stories that

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Speaker 1: he tells in there is about the Beal Cipher and

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Speaker 1: I read about it briefly before, but once I read

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Speaker 1: his accounting of it, I really got interested in it,

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Speaker 1: and I decided that we needed to take some time

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Speaker 1: story goes, because the story has been retold a number

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Speaker 1: of times, but I'm gonna do. We're gonna do the

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Speaker 1: best we can with the accounting of it. Are we

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Speaker 1: everything's kind of all the way always told or or

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Speaker 1: what well? I mean, if we if we see things

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Speaker 1: that have different accountings, I think that we'll have to

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Speaker 1: bring those up. Okay, maybe I thought that quick, quick abstract.

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Speaker 1: eighteen twenty January of eighteen twenty when a gentleman by

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Speaker 1: the name of Thomas J. Beale arrives in Lynchburg, Virginia

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Speaker 1: papers of value in importance. Lawrence, of course, being a

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Speaker 1: But Morris of course immediately opened the box. Was in there. Well,

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Speaker 1: Beale told Morris not to open it for ten years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he sent him a letter. Actually, yeah, is that how

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Speaker 1: the natural consequence, like the understatement, I like the way

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Speaker 1: the natural consequence of things, naturally. The note goes on

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Speaker 1: and and and in this trip back to Virginia, Bale

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Speaker 1: continuing to mind the gold. Now, mind you, is that

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Speaker 1: we should probably secure this as well. So they send

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Speaker 1: I yeah, I guess, like what what evidence are they

427
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: are they hoping that? Like he was like, oh, dear

428
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: Diary today, Mr Beale gave me a box and then

429
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: I held it for twenty three years. I mean, you know,

430
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: was that the kind of evidence they're looking for? Or

431
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: they to substantiate that he was a real person and

432
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: not just a fictional character, which Beale at this point

433
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: kind of might be exactly might be. The The thing

434
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: about Morris is if he was a really existent person,

435
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: supposedly must have had descendants, and he must have told

436
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: his children and grandchildren about this, that this mystery. You

437
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: and he would think. You would think that there would

438
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: still be people alive today that would know about this.

439
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: Nobody's come forward. Yeah, but again according to the story,

440
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: he never told anybody. But he also worked on it

441
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: for that that whole time that he had But yeah,

442
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: his wife didn't know, his kids didn't know that from

443
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: the story. According to the story, he tried to figure

444
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: it out for that seventeen years after he opened it,

445
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: before he confided in his friend, who then cracked the

446
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: second paper. Here's another problem. The pamphlet itself quotes the

447
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: letters from Beal, which supposedly were written in the early

448
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: eighteen twenties, and they use words that we're not normally

449
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: in circulation. Fill about the eighteen forties, specifically, the words

450
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: stampede and improvised. Those were not commonly used words nobody had.

451
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of record of those being in

452
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: the vocabulary at that time. The letters, the pamphlets use

453
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: those words. The pamphlet reprinted the letters from Bill that

454
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: were in the lock box that we're in English well,

455
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: and in his letter he uses words that weren't known

456
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: until the eight four So that that points people to say, well,

457
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: these were common words at the time, and the guy

458
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: made it all up and he wrote these letters. I

459
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: guess my argument back on that would be that, like,

460
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: if Bill did exist, right, he clearly had a flourish

461
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: for the English language. I did a lot of people

462
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 1: back in those days. But he, for whatever reason, kind

463
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: of strikes me as the kind of person who would

464
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: have some kind of knowledge of those words. Yeah, or

465
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: like to appear like he's much smarter than he actually is.

466
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: So like seek out words that people didn't usually use

467
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: and use them. You everybody knows that guy right who

468
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: like uses words that nobody else uses. He could have

469
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: been one of those guys, who knows, he could have

470
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: easily been one of those guys you're right now, entirely possible.

471
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: And it's not like they were words that didn't exist. Okay,

472
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: Another another interesting aspect of this if the whole thing

473
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: was a fiction and this entire pamphlet was just basically

474
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: a hoax. The guy at one point, apparently I have

475
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: heard that his full name was Thomas Jefferson Bale. Yeah, yeah,

476
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson Bale. So Thomas Jefferson the author of the

477
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, which would explain why the Declaration of

478
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: Independence was the key. Yeah. And also there was a

479
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: guy um as a guy didn't Bill, I can't remember.

480
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: His first name was also the Washington Hotel. Yeah, there's

481
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: there's another key. Yeah, And the guy named Bale was

482
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: a guy who I think, in the eighteen thirties was

483
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: one of the first, if not the first, person, to

484
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: transport gold from California from the California Gold Rush back

485
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: to the East coast. Yeah, And of course that was like,

486
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: you know much and so if you think about it,

487
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: if you're if you're getting concoct to hoax, and you

488
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: want to put some some things, some little teasers out

489
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: there to sort of like, you know, like h crane

490
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: of truth. Yeah, but also at the same time kind

491
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: of kind of mock and tweak the people that you're fooling,

492
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, because you're putting these obvious a little it's

493
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: kind of kind of let the Da Vinci Code, You're

494
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: putting these obvious little clues right in their face. And

495
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson Declaration Bill, it's got famous transporting gold across

496
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: the country. Um, it's it's kind of those are kind

497
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: of interesting coincidences. On the other hand, I guess this

498
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: is going like a little bit past the this is

499
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: a hoax thing, right, But haven't people actually, like people

500
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: who actually know about things like this, examined these and said, no,

501
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: they look like they are actually real ciphers they have.

502
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: So I guess my argument against it being a hoax

503
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: is that, like, why invest that much time? I don't think,

504
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think that something that looks like it's

505
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: a cipher, I mean you can compose, and something that

506
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: looks like it's a cipher doesn't mean it's not gibberish.

507
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: Can still be gibberish. I guess that's true. Here's the

508
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: other weird thing about the ciphers number page it's number

509
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: one and number three, spage one and page three. Cryptographers

510
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: have looked at it, and I don't say that I

511
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: understand how they came to this conclusion. But they say

512
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: that the statistical characteristics of it make them believe that

513
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: it is not from a language that is English. In

514
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: other words, it could have been written in Spanish or

515
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: that's fairly easy to do. I think, as it turns

516
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: out right that you can analyze the frequency of letters

517
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: in any given language because we have something frequent or

518
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: the like the the composition of the length of a

519
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: lot of our filler words, and analyze how often those

520
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: are used in a cipher or something that could It's

521
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: what's hard for me is that the stinking thing is

522
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: all numbers. Yeah, but you say, like this is so

523
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: like so three is a right, so like how many

524
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: times is three used? Will that it is really quick

525
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: to do on a computer? I think, say, hey, I

526
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: have done frequency analysis myself and with computer about the

527
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: thing about this this particular cipher, And this is why

528
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't understand that they could possibly think this is

529
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: why that this was something besides English. I mean, obviously

530
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: it could have been, but how can you conclude that

531
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: there was any particular language because there's no spaces, so

532
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: you have no you have no clue as to the

533
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: length of the words that are being used, and there's

534
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: no spaces between the numbers there. They can't do frequency

535
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 1: analysis because one, uh, they're they're referencing words all throughout

536
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the document. So number one, one seven, number three, number

537
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: fifty two, those could all be a So they're not reading,

538
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: not repeating, they're not really repeating numbers over and over.

539
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: So here's late. But then there that's my questions. A

540
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: string of numbers. But how do you know it's it's

541
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: one one five not uh, one one five? Right? How

542
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: do you know it's like a hundred and fifteen? Not?

543
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: There are commons believe that, yeah, separations between them. They've

544
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: got some form of separator between them. Otherwise you're you're right,

545
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: it would just be that it's just break up into words.

546
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: And as you as you decode the letters, figure out

547
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: that it is it's T H E N. Well is

548
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: that then? But then you figure out the next letter

549
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and you realize that N is the start of a

550
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: new word. You put a separator in there. It's it's

551
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: it's difficult to to kind of wrap your brain around,

552
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: but it's but it's it's definitely a cipher, but not

553
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: necessarily a cipher, because it could just be gibberish. It

554
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: could And here's here's the last thing that I have

555
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: that that kind of points to maybe this whole thing

556
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: as a hoax is that it's very similar to a

557
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: story by Edgar Allan Poe called The gold Bug, which

558
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: is evidently about gold the cipher and people say that

559
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: this story is probably based on the gold Bug. And

560
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: there's also another story Worry about a man in Kentucky

561
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: that supposedly found a silver mine that was the richest

562
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: silver mine ever and then turned around and buried all

563
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: of the silver and then disappeared. We just did. We

564
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: were just talking about the toy tiles, right, And in

565
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: that episode we talked a little bit about the I

566
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: think it was David Mammitt who wrote four Am. And

567
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: I feel like this is another kind of case of

568
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: which came first, right, chicken or the egg? Yeah, Like,

569
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: did Poe write his story because he saw this manuscript

570
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: or did this manuscript come to like be or the

571
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I guess it was a pamphlet. Sorry, did the pamphlet

572
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: come to be because of somebody ripped off? Evidently was

573
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: known for kind of tweak in the public sometimes, yeah, stories,

574
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: So it could very well have been Poe. Yeah it was.

575
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: Obviously it didn't get published until after he died. But

576
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: and then that's why it leaves people to say, well,

577
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't Bow, but it could have been. Yeah,

578
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: but that again, right, that's how we don't know, because

579
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: you know it was it was much later after he dies,

580
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, who knows. I guess let's move from it's

581
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: a hoax to the next theory. It's not a hoax.

582
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: It's been found. I found one website that purports that

583
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: this group of guys has found the location of the treasure.

584
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I can't with this guy. Okay, they found it and

585
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: they've dug it up, or they just know exactly where

586
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: part of it. Here's how it goes. They say they

587
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: decoded page one and page three, and I have a

588
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: major problem with that because they showed the decoded text,

589
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: but nowhere do they say how they decoded it. So

590
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: they could have just made it up. Just it just

591
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: it sets me off right there throws the radar. But

592
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: according to these gentlemen, they found it in the hills

593
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: there in Virginia, and they and it was a cave.

594
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: It was an outcropping with a cave, and they dug

595
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: in there. I don't know cleft exactly, but they went

596
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: in there and they didn't find the treasure. But what

597
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: they did find was remnants of supposedly the pots that

598
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: Beale had left it in. So there were some legs,

599
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: some iron pots, remember the it said it had the

600
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: They were in iron pots. They say that these were

601
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: the short stubby legs it would have been on the pots.

602
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: And there's an iron spike and a piece of leather

603
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 1: and a buckle which I'm presuming that would have been

604
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: to tie it shut. There's so many things. I uh, Well,

605
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: the buckle was iron and then it was a piece

606
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: of leather there with it. Yes, but it's just like

607
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: why the legs don't break off of iron pots? Like

608
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: why would there be no legs. I'm I'm okay, I'm

609
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: just gonna hypothesize here. I'm just gonna spit ball on

610
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: this that somebody else had found the treasure before they

611
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: got there and they broke the pots, and then they

612
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: threw away the evidence where they carried away most of

613
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: the evidence, and then the rest of it just sat

614
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: there and rusted, like broke open the pot. I don't

615
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: say that's right, but I'm just for a second going

616
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: to stand in defense of these guys and say, well,

617
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: this is why they've only found that they've never found

618
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: in gold. They found jewels. So somebody broke a pot

619
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: open right in the middle of a cave where there's

620
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: like dust and all that stuff. One piece of gold

621
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: is gonna like get loft left behind, a nugget is

622
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna fall. Stuff is gonna get left other than just

623
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: like weird little legs. Yeah, so them, these guys essentially

624
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: you cipher the text of number document number one. They

625
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: put it on the webpage. And this this, this text

626
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: that people are on their web page tells you where

627
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: to go find this. Not exactly what does the text say? Well,

628
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: what's what's listened on their website? Does give some information

629
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: just here I'll just read, according to this website, a

630
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: guy named Daniel Cole is the one who cracked this. Somehow,

631
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: that name makes me irrationally angry for no frea. Okay,

632
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: here's here's it says. Nineteen is the distance south left

633
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: on to second point two's on first part of main

634
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: rock south in east wall ground on south six ft

635
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: deep open front side of point straight down the point

636
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: in front upper part. Remove rocks, then with them remove

637
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: dirt five ft down and round. Now open open point

638
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: two's wall street in now open south side, now on

639
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: down under point. Okay, I have such a problem with this.

640
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. Okay, but find whatever. Even if

641
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: it did make sense, it's not written the same well exactly.

642
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't sound like the same. Wow. I

643
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: mean no, I'm not not at all. And it's not

644
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: not even close. Now I agree it actually, you know

645
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me? It sounds like to me.

646
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I remember one time I bought a PC back when

647
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: I did PCs, and I got a card for the PC.

648
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: It was like a sound card or whatever, and it

649
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: had this little manual that came with it, and it

650
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: had installations from for installing, you know, and everything like that,

651
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: and there was this one paragraph that it was just

652
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: hilariously bad because it looked like some red looks like

653
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: somebody had put it in, you know, in like written

654
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: in Chinese and then transcribed it word for word from

655
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: an English Chinese dictionary. And that's what that reminds me of. Yeah, yeah,

656
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: it's it's not good. It's not a good thing. Now

657
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: it's it's bs. But the other thing I I'm what

658
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm wondering about is another theory that I just came

659
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: up with. Yeah, exactly, And you just came up with

660
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: a theory. So you never do that, Well I'm doing

661
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: you're breaking tradition. Here go, what do you got? It's lepricns. Well,

662
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: I think about it. Pot of gold, Pots of gold,

663
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: number one, number two. They find a leather belt in

664
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: the buckle, fried with of it. Okay, that's some big

665
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 1: old clue, he said. If there's a green filled hat there,

666
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: he's got it. Yeah. But here's the other thing that's

667
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: like it would have disintegrated by now. No, it's it's

668
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: a leprechn hat. They don't they don't go away. But

669
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: here's but here is the deal. It's like the Lepricon

670
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: theory is almost almost as credible because these guys were

671
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: out in Colorado and they find this cleft intervene that's

672
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: got gold in it. Uh So Number one, veins of

673
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: gold are not immediately apparent. They don't look like anything.

674
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: There's usually not another vein of a cool little accompanying

675
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: vein of silver somewhere really close by. But yeah, they're

676
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: they're completely different minerals. They don't normally go together. Yeah,

677
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: well they go together nicely, but not necessarily in the

678
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: ground u um. And so in other words, if it

679
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: was a vein of gold, that kind of thing is

680
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: it's mixed in with a lot of other minerals. You've

681
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: got to pull out tons of ores, and you have

682
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: to smelt it, and you have to have a big

683
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: factory thing. It's something that thirty guys out in the

684
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: wilderness are not going to be able to probably do,

685
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: which makes it that particular thing that so what if

686
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: they found some lepre con stash of gold, But what

687
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: if they have fifty horses too? Yeah, they just happened

688
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: to fifty horses along. Is that I mean, does that

689
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: make it easier? Well, if they're unicorns wings, they can

690
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: easily get back to Virginia. Got it, We're done with fantasyland.

691
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: Let's move on to the next theory. Alright, So you

692
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: don't like you're not buying an, I actually really like that,

693
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: as in, I think it's hilarious, but no, I'm not

694
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: buying it. The final theory is that the trade you're

695
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: still out there and that it's real. Here's a couple

696
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: of things that point to it. So, as we said,

697
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: they use that abbreviated version of the Declaration of Independence

698
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: to get the supposed deciphering of page two, the drunken

699
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: slurrings of a man. Yes, yes, Well, if you take

700
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: the declaration and you try and decipher pay or decode

701
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: paper one using the declaration, what you get is a

702
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: sequence of letters at the start, which are A B

703
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: F D E F G, H I I, J K, L, M,

704
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: M N O, H P P. So this people say

705
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: in frequency the chances of those letters coming up on

706
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: their own is zero, but that frequency has the appearance

707
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: of quite possibly being a set of words. But people

708
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: are saying that it's possible that while paper to just

709
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: use the regular book cipher paper one and three may

710
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: have been encoded and then encoded again, so they were double.

711
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: So it's it's a double or supers And I guess

712
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: that would make sense, right, because those are the two

713
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: pieces of information that are more sensitive, right, the second

714
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: one is just kind of like this is kind of

715
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: what we have, but the location super important. You know. Again,

716
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: I have issue with like the name of people who

717
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: should be getting this, Like I don't understand why they

718
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: would need to be included in the first place, trippers,

719
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, double encoded. And also the number three is

720
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: like has has just been pointed out This thought is

721
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: not original to me. But thirty guys, okay, their names

722
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and names are the next kin where they live, and

723
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: you're going to do all that and eight characters are

724
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: less well, and that's that's them. Is that that document.

725
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: People have said there is not enough characters in that

726
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: document to list off all that information. So there's a

727
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: serious issue there. But we're gonna we're gonna continue to

728
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: run down the path of it is totally true and

729
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: it is still out there. And I assume that people

730
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: have used other other documents from the founding of our

731
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: country around that time. Yes, people have tried to use

732
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: the Constitution and all those great historical documents. I don't

733
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: think they've used that one, but failed to crack this

734
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: particular set of ciphers. There is if we're going down

735
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the it's real path, which we of course are, which we,

736
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: of course are. So there's a chance that the person

737
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: our pamphlet, who put out the pamphlet that told us

738
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: everything that we know about this, may have taken and

739
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: scrambled the code that was listed in paper one and

740
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: paper three. Yeah, he mixed them up. And here's the

741
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: reason is that supposedly there was somebody else out there

742
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: who had the key. So if that person gets ahold

743
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 1: of the pamphlet and then tries to decode it themselves,

744
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. So then they're gonna have to

745
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: turn around and they're gonna have to come to him,

746
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: the person who possesses the actual cipher text, so that

747
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: then they can go in on at fifty fifty and

748
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: split it. So basically he's forcing somebody's hand to come

749
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: to him and pay out. It makes sense when you

750
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of step back from it a little bit. It's

751
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: a little weirdness and telling the story that he never

752
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: actually cracked the cipher at all. He just pretended to

753
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: crack number two and scrambled numbers one and three. No, Well,

754
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at it both ways. Either

755
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: he didn't actually do it, he pretended to crack it,

756
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: or he did crack number two, but he couldn't crack

757
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: number one. But in an effort to draw that person out,

758
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: he screwed up the numbers intentionally in one and two

759
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: so that they had to come to him and say, hey, wait,

760
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: something's not right here because I've totally got the key,

761
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: or you've got the key. Awesome, I totally got the

762
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: real cipher. Let's split it. Interesting because it seems really unlikely.

763
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody that uh, these this group of what

764
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: thirty men would have trusted with the key to the cipher, right,

765
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: would ostensibly not then go and say, oh, yeah, by

766
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: the way, I have the key to this thing, let's

767
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: split right. That's that's ostensibly a fairly trustworthy person. But

768
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: we're also looking at how much time has passed. We're

769
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: looking at nearly forty years. Yeah. I guess that's fair dad. Yeah. Yeah,

770
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: You've got to imagine most, if not all, have passed

771
00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: by that point. Yeah. It's interesting little conunder there. We have,

772
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: we have we have one more. We have one more

773
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: that says that it was real, But it's kind of

774
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: a crackpot. Version does have to do with like um,

775
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: like lizard people living in the center of the earth.

776
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Afraid people, what about a mass conspiracy from our government?

777
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: People say, because the n s A and other organizations

778
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: in the government who are code breakers have used the

779
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: Biel cipher as a training tool and had their their

780
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: candidates try to figure it out. So it's been theorized

781
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: that the n s A or some other government organization,

782
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: not pointing at the n s A, but some government

783
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: organization who has a lot of code breaking people around,

784
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: has figured out what this thing said, went and got

785
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: it and dumped all that gold into the national coffers.

786
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: Which makes sense because as we have a lot of money. Yeah,

787
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and there's been many times when this country has been

788
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: desperately in need of money. Yeah for our governm A

789
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars, isn't It's like a nickel to you?

790
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, well, but hey, you know what,

791
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: a little bit here is a little bit there. And

792
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: so this theory says that they've gone and already gotten it.

793
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: And that's why these other guys who found just the

794
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: pieces of iron, we found the pieces of iron because

795
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: the fans have come in and let's taken it. The

796
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: fans are way better at extraction than that. Let's be

797
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: totally honest there. Okay, they're not leaving anything behind. They

798
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: can easily extract you know, money directly out of our

799
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,959
Speaker 1: bank accounts, in our wallets. They don't need to bother

800
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: with gold. But we were looking at from today. What

801
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: if this was a hundred years ago they did it.

802
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if we had the decryption, I mean,

803
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: Intel didn't really Okay, let's the fifties of the sixties.

804
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: It's entirely credible. What I think would be more likely

805
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: is that government employees who are very skilled at decryption

806
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: could very well crack this. But why would you tell

807
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: the fens about it? If you were, if you've got

808
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: access to the computers and everything else, you got access

809
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: to these resources, you can crack it, and even a

810
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: few of your buddies from the office go down there

811
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: and grab it. I mean, that would make a lot

812
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: more sense. I guess My big problem with them actually

813
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: being able to solve this thing, right is that isn't

814
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: there like a cipher that's like right in front of where,

815
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and they've only deciphered one of the three

816
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: panels there. Come on, man, if you can't figure that

817
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: thing out, right, Like, how are you going to figure

818
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: this thing out. I just yeah, you know this is

819
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this has occurred to anybody

820
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: in our government or not, but think about something like,

821
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: you know so because you know that that other governments

822
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: are trying to read our trying to read our mail

823
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: all the time, so think about it. Wouldn't be tempting

824
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: to actually put out giblers that's not even cipher, but

825
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: it looks totally like a cipher and let them waste

826
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: valuable man hours and energy trying to decipher those. I

827
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: think you've brought this up before. It seems likely. What

828
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: if the what if the second one is the only

829
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: one that is a legitimate one, but it needs to

830
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: be deciphered with something other than that the Declaration of Independence? Right,

831
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: some other manuscript. So are you saying, wait, let me

832
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: just make sure I'm following. So are you saying that

833
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: the declaration was correct in an interpretation, but there's another

834
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: document and had that another meaning that So somebody had

835
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: to match up two books basically too and find words

836
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: that were on the same number, that had the same letters.

837
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: That's extreme. No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm

838
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: saying that, like this guy came up with an okay

839
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: interpretation of the Declaration of Independence. He got he got

840
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: to something that like could be made into something that

841
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of made some coherent sense, but that perhaps he

842
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: used the wrong document. It is entirely that's the only

843
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: one that's actually decipherable. It might be that, like you say,

844
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: if you like, grab the copy of of any Dickens novels,

845
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: say Tale of Two Cities. It might be that that

846
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: is the key, you know, and that it's just a

847
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: coincidence that some letters randomly in the two of them

848
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: happen to coincide. It turns out English it's pretty easy

849
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: to make words. Yeah, we do it all the time,

850
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: all the time. It might be an entirely different key.

851
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody has thought about that. I'm

852
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: not I'm definitely not the cipher ologist of this crew.

853
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not the no cipherologist. Yeah, so I'm sure

854
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: which title we were going. Yeah, I'm not going to

855
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: say that, like my theory is better than anyone else's,

856
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: of course, But what if what if it was the

857
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: idiot who figured it out this time? Yeah? I mean,

858
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: and the other thing about it is is like people

859
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: are looking for the key, you know, and it's like, okay,

860
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: so you got this thing with all these numbers in it,

861
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: and so it's got to be a document, and these

862
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: numbers have to represent a word, which we will take

863
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: the first letter of that document. It could be an

864
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: entirely different kind of cipher. So, I mean, so that's

865
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: the whole thing. That's that's one reason I'm not going

866
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: to really waste any time trying to break this particular one.

867
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting to try to come up with ideas as

868
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: to what kind of a cipher. If I can start

869
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: to get a cipher like that, I would have something

870
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: that something to be more diabolical, like say a three

871
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 1: letter or three digit number would represent say seven one

872
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: seven fifteen is not the seven word in there, but

873
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: instead what it is it's like to say the seventh

874
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: line down and then the first call them in, and

875
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: then five letters beyond that in the alphabet. You know,

876
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: I would do something like that. You do this with

877
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: your diary, don't I totally do. This is how send emails. Yeah,

878
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: this is how he does it. But you see, but

879
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: you see see kind of what I'm talking about. Numbers

880
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: can represent something entirely different than what these people are saying.

881
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: You can, yeah, you can. You can determine how they

882
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: get used however you want. And I see where you're heading.

883
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: I feel like this is just one for the ages.

884
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: It kind of is, because that's really that's our theories,

885
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: that's it. I think that Yeah, I think no, I

886
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: think that it's uh, it's almost certainly a hoax. But

887
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: you know, pamphlets back in those days actually made money

888
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: and they were like just like selling a book, and

889
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: you could write a pamphlet however checking yeah, exactly, and uh,

890
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: and actually there's no fact checking going on to day.

891
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: Think they heard that they didn't have the internet. It

892
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: was pretty hard to check those facts, right, Yeah, you

893
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: couldn't just like google. Yah. But again, the fact that

894
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: the fact that this guy used a kind of non

895
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: existent version of the Declaration of Independence as a key

896
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: and somehow that manages to successfully translate all these numbers

897
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: into a medical message, It's yeah, that's kind of damning

898
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: in and of itself. So, Kevin, what do you think?

899
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: What's your where you lean on this? I don't know

900
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: where I you know, I really want to believe this

901
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: is one of those stories that like in the heart

902
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: of any like true American, right, you really want to

903
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: believe that, like these people could have gone out and

904
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: found all this gold and struck it rich and like

905
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: hit it and it's still hidden somewhere. But when I

906
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: really sit down to think about it, that I definitely wouldn't.

907
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm lazy and I wouldn't have done that. And people

908
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: back then were less lazy than I am. And that's fine,

909
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: But like that's a really far way, Like why not

910
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: just hide at someplace in Colorado, Like there are a

911
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of really great hiding places in Colorado. Why take

912
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: it all the way to Virginia to hide it? And

913
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: then write this like crazy cipher? I feel like hoax.

914
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: I hate I hate advocating for hoaxes. But yeah, because

915
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: you want. It's a fun story, it's cool and everything,

916
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,959
Speaker 1: but and I not of it makes sense. I gotta

917
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: tell you this is this may be your first we

918
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: have a unanimous decision here because I personally, after all

919
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: of my research, have been inclined that this is a hoax.

920
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: And here's here's a bit of information that we haven't

921
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: shared yet. Is this pamphlet that came out this person

922
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: had a huge quantity of these pamphlets printed, but only

923
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: a small number of them got out. And then supposedly

924
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: there was a warehouse fires, the setup warehouse fires in

925
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: a district, and the press house that they were all

926
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: stored at also went up in flames, and so that's

927
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: where and oh my gosh, there's no more copies of it,

928
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: which seems like if this guy was really real, he

929
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 1: had just paid up and had some more made. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

930
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: another theory I heard about about that is that it

931
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: got out. This was a local guy who wrote this

932
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: and probably wrote it to make some money or whatever,

933
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: and he and then when it went out people want

934
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: nuts and and because I mean the No. Number two

935
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: of it, yeah, the allure of it, but and but

936
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: but but but basically this does define kind of an area,

937
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: although it's a broad area, a circle with a four

938
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: mile radius around Buford's tavern in Virginia. Not that yeah,

939
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: I mean seriously, And so apparently one theory is that

940
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: this guy knew a lot of people locally, and when

941
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: treasure hunters went out and started like digging up everybody's

942
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: property and graveyards and everything else, this guy realized, holy crap,

943
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: you know what have I done? And so he made

944
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: either yeah, he made it. He created a monster, and

945
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: so he destroyed these things or you know, probably maybe

946
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: they're in a fire or maybe just through him in

947
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: the river or something like that. But you know, that's

948
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: another theory about the whole thing, which I find believable.

949
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: It's a shame to waste. No, that's and that's a

950
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: good point. But I I unfortunately, I I have to

951
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: say that I don't. I don't believe this one. There's

952
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: just too many inconsistencies. For one, No, I mean, the

953
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: the underlying story is not credible. About these guys going

954
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: up finding old You don't just find gold line around.

955
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: You have to like set up a big operation with

956
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: the pine. Yeah. Like we said, there's a whole bunch

957
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: of logistics here that just don't seem to pay it out. Yeah,

958
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 1: and then getting all stressed out about about oh my god,

959
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: it's so insecure to have the goal just hidden around

960
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: here burying the ground. Let's send somebody alone back east

961
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: to burying the ground back east instead. That doesn't make

962
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: any sense. It doesn't make sense all around. Yeah. Well,

963
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: if if you have any information or theories that you

964
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: want to to proffer about this, you're more than welcome

965
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: to do that. And if you're Thomas Jefferson Bale and

966
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: you're actually a lizard person who's you know that, please

967
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: do contact you can cut you can get a hold

968
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: of a couple of ways. You can go to our

969
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: website Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. While you're on there,

970
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,479
Speaker 1: of course, you can always leave a comment, of course,

971
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: so you can listen to the episode while you're on

972
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: there as well. Most likely a lot of folks have

973
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: been using the website to listen, but a lot of

974
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: folks also go ahead and go to down download it

975
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: from iTunes. If you're on iTunes, take the time leave

976
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: us a comment and rating. We've been get a lot

977
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: of traffic on iTunes lately. Fantastic to hear everything from everybody.

978
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: I want to do a shout out to Arcade gannon

979
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: fellow follow follower, what up yo? No idea what that means?

980
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: But okay or her? I don't know? Okay, Well, at

981
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: least they'll know. You can always find our episodes on Stitcher,

982
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to take the time, you're

983
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: not able to download it, and you don't want to

984
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: go directly to the site, you can just get it

985
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: there on any mobile device, very easy to stream right

986
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: then and there. And at last, but not least, you

987
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: could go ahead and send us an old fashioned email

988
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: if you want to send us an even world fashioned

989
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: like just snail mails, general delivery. The email address is

990
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast at email dot com. And speaking of

991
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: listener mail, we've been a little tardy on getting some

992
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: of these listener mails that we've picked out that we've liked.

993
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: We like a lot of them, though, Yeah, it's been

994
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: a little crazy, a little crazy. We've got a bunch

995
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: of them, and there's been a number that we wanted

996
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: to read and things have just kind of conspired against us.

997
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: So I'm making an effort today. We're just gonna go

998
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: ahead and are we going to read all of them? Well,

999
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: we've got three of them that we're going to read. Yeah,

1000
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: only three of them. So let's go in and let

1001
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: me let me grab the first one. The first email

1002
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: is from Matt, and Matt said, uh, I got a

1003
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: response from art read At a while back, and it's

1004
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: spent the last few weeks listening to your podcast. I'm

1005
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: a really big fan and you guys have added an

1006
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: inquisitive nature to my walk to work listen read it friend,

1007
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, yeah, and that I don't want you to

1008
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: be so distracted that you get run over by a bus,

1009
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: so please be careful. We'll be really careful to not

1010
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: do any those like creepy like people walking to like

1011
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: work stories. Yeah good, and we will slip in about

1012
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: every five minutes or so quick, like Matt, look behind you.

1013
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: I enjoy the Devil's addecate elements of your podcast and

1014
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: how you can switch standpoints a few times during a podcast.

1015
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: And Matt then goes on to to share a story

1016
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: that that he was thought that we should look into,

1017
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: and we're going to exchange some emails because he's got

1018
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: some information on it. But evidently he was writing, uh

1019
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: this email kind of late at night and so he

1020
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 1: couldn't write anymore, which is totally understandable. I mean, you know,

1021
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: it depends on what is scheduling that off into a

1022
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: bunch of z. That's what happens to me. No, that's

1023
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: that's that's not actually what happened. But thank you. So

1024
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: this next one is from a guy named Thomas. He says, hey,

1025
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: my name is Thomas, and about two weeks ago I

1026
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: got into your show and Binge on all the episodes.

1027
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: I love your show a lot. Your show is exactly

1028
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: what I was looking for in terms of a podcast

1029
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: that covers weird, unsolved mysteries, and I like how you

1030
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: take a more logical approach to the mysteries instead of

1031
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: always drawing aliens or conspiracy theories. That we don't believe

1032
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: in that stuff. We just tend to not advocate for

1033
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: it so much. I'm definitely looking forward to hearing more

1034
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: episodes in the future. By the way, Joe kind of

1035
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: sounds like John Goodman, and I'm sure I'm not the

1036
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: first person to point that out. Actually I think he is. Thomas.

1037
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: You are said that, but as soon as you said it,

1038
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I was like, he totally does. Totally. I had never

1039
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: made that connect. And then you listen to it, You're like,

1040
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, well now I'm going to have a

1041
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: famous person in my ears every time I edit a show. Great,

1042
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be. By the way, Thomas, I don't

1043
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm not as big as he is Goodman. He's a

1044
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: great guy. He's just you know, but yeah, I'm not

1045
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: don't want to be as biggest. Yeah you do a

1046
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: little bit sound like him. Okay, we'll go we'll like

1047
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: watch the Big I'm gonna be all yeah, I'm gonna

1048
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: be all self conscious about it. Yeah. By the way,

1049
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: I love The Big Lebowski. Yeah. So then Thomas like

1050
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: suggests a couple of shows that that seems to be

1051
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: like the trend, right everybody has like awesome feedback and

1052
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: also do these shows. Yes, and we're working through him

1053
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: as we as we mix him into the list. Yeah. Yeah,

1054
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: thanks Thomas, Thank you Thomas. Okay, okay, now our next

1055
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: emails from Jeremy. Hi, Jeremy, so here it goes. Hello,

1056
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: greetings from Wyoming. I drive for eups and listen to

1057
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: podcasts all day. I bet you would in a job

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Speaker 1: like that. Oh yeah, I can imagine totally listen to

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Speaker 1: just the radio, and especially if it's a he's kind

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Speaker 1: of in a rural areas. Wyoming is a r you

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Speaker 1: want to get radio stations constantly. Yeah, okay, well anyway,

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Speaker 1: sorry for the interruption, Jeremy. Okay, greetings from Wyoming. I

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Speaker 1: drive for EPs and let's listen to podcast all day.

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Speaker 1: Years was coincidentally suggested to me the night before I

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Speaker 1: started covering for a rural driver for two weeks. I

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Speaker 1: really love the subjects you've covered so far in my

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Speaker 1: attempt to catch up from the beginning. He's enjoyed his attempt. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's listening to what's come out and he's working through

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Speaker 1: the great Okay, So I would love it if you

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Speaker 1: would delve in the topics like the and the Okay,

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Speaker 1: we actually have been considering some of those topics, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: we probably will delve into at least a few of them.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what's great. Yeah, one of those, yeah,

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Speaker 1: is the Biel Cipher, which which which we just talked

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Speaker 1: about exactly, and and another one the is one we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking about sometime in the next few weeks. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I started continue reading your email, Jeremy. Either way, please

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work because I drive a lot

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Speaker 1: all caps, So okay, we're gonna do extra long episodes

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Speaker 1: just for Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, okay, bye, Jeremy, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Well that I really I like listener email and I

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Speaker 1: feel bad some times for holding them all in a

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Speaker 1: bunch and spreading me up. I love doing listening. I

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Speaker 1: love reading listener, I mean and like reading comments and

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Speaker 1: things like that because people seem to be really great

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Speaker 1: about giving us like awesome feedback, not just positive feedback,

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Speaker 1: but like things that they would love to dress, you know,

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Speaker 1: things that I think we should change, which I think

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Speaker 1: is is really great. Yeah. No, we got we got

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Speaker 1: useful constructive criticism. Yeah. And as I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've been listening to us throughout the whole time

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Speaker 1: or you're trying to like go through our backlog, we're

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Speaker 1: fairly new at this, right. Yeah. We definitely appreciate the

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Speaker 1: constructive criticism. Yeah, we try to improve. We take criticism. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do. Uh yeah, thanks again everybody. We do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I guess, well, this is the point where I

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Speaker 1: hate to tell it, but we're gonna say bye bye Ye.

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Speaker 1: Time to walk up into the sunset. Yeah, let's walk

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Speaker 1: off in this spurs that jingle jangle? Can you do

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Speaker 1: you know any good tunes to whistle? Joe? I got

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Speaker 1: stairs that jingle jangle, jingle jangle jangle,