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Speaker 1: Oh, I listened to The Black Guy You Tips podcast

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Speaker 1: because Rod and Caroing or hout Hey. Welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of The Black Guy Who Tells podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Rod joined is always on my cost and we are

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Speaker 1: live on a very special Tuesday. All right, this is

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Speaker 1: a this is a big time moment right now. It

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Speaker 1: is long time coming. Today we have a guest. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while since he's been on the show, but

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Speaker 1: he is a friend of the show. He's a podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Though he does sports podcast. You wouldn't. You might not

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Speaker 1: know that by some of his other proclivities that are

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Speaker 1: blowing up right now, but I know he does the

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Speaker 1: crazy cast. You know, I think this one hurts to

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Speaker 1: have him on. I think I'm realizing now, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a Duke fan, it's you know, it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: He's like, it's been a while since you have me,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, why is that now? I'm thinking it's

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Speaker 1: coming to me. But he also I bumped into him

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Speaker 1: back in the day on message boards s O HH

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Speaker 1: and whatnot, and he was doing the Long and Late

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Speaker 1: Movie Show, which is a podcast. There was a movie

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Speaker 1: review podcast and I used to listen to it all

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Speaker 1: the time, I thought it was very good. I was

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Speaker 1: on a couple of times very fun. They had games,

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm a day one. But now he's

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Speaker 1: gone from reviewing movies, criticizing movies to writing movies. It's

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Speaker 1: my man, Russell haynline. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Bro? Rod Caarn so glad to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you could make it, dude. I know you

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Speaker 1: hella busy right now, Bro, I mean when do you

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Speaker 1: when do you have time between writing Christmas movies to

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Speaker 1: even hop on a podcast or watch duke games.

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Speaker 2: It's hard, It's really hard. You make time. It requires

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Speaker 2: standing up late at night generally, you know, just working,

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Speaker 2: working in an hour here, an hour there. I still

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Speaker 2: that's really hard now too. I saw the other day

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Speaker 2: somebody somebody said, you know, gainful employment kills cinephiles, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: and I kind of feel that way. I'm so behind

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Speaker 2: on the things I really want to watch. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: hopeful that when I finish working on the thing that

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Speaker 2: days to just like lock down hatch up on all

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Speaker 2: the movies, you know, get get back with it. And

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Speaker 2: luckily Duke basketball has only got a couple of games

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Speaker 2: it's final exam season for them, right, It's it's slowing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about how much you

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Speaker 1: are able to even keep up with movies now, because

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Speaker 1: I do see, you know, we follow each other on

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Speaker 1: social and I see like you'll do like a letterbox

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Speaker 1: And you're like hardcore, Like you're not just like a, oh,

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Speaker 1: needed to watch the re release of Big Time in

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Speaker 1: Little China at the Man's Theater because that, and like

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Speaker 1: you're you're out there living the life in like the

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Speaker 2: First of all, Big Trouble in Little China. That's a tank,

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Speaker 2: you know, But how do I have time for it? Man?

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Speaker 2: I genuinely have no idea. It's it really does take

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Speaker 2: having a complete lack of friends and other hobbies. I

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Speaker 2: luckily my friends out here all also really like movies.

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Speaker 2: So you know, my buddy Colby, who's a great screenwriter

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Speaker 2: We love going to the movies, man, It's so it's

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Speaker 2: good to sort of double up some of the things

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh is it was? It a big requirement

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Emily knew right away. I believe maybe I've told

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Speaker 2: faced with, you know, that decision that everybody faces in

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Speaker 2: I said, I'm sorry, I can't. I've got to record

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Speaker 2: And she was completely unfazed. She was like, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: And that was somewhere that was still weird.

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Speaker 1: Now, like that everyone has a podcap online. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: now it's different. But back then, it was like, what

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Speaker 4: What is a podcast?

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Speaker 3: You know, we were around at the phase when you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that. This was twenty ten, right, This was

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Speaker 2: Then ultimately it allowed me to meet a lot of

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Speaker 2: So who are like, why don't we do our own thing?

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Speaker 2: I'm really really grateful, even though I don't do any

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Speaker 1: It's almost like therapy, you know, like win or lose,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny too because bo is weirdly a grown

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, like going from reviewing

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Speaker 1: And one of my favorite things about you is that

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Speaker 2: And you equal? The last last time we did a

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Speaker 4: That cracked their knuckles. They've been like, let's.

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Speaker 1: Go Into the Storm, Hurricane Heist. Like these kind of

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Speaker 1: me and we're gonna have a good time. So what

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Speaker 1: act out, not both and so and we come out

434
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: of the side and it's you know, if you remember

435
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: the video, he's holding this little ass gun up and

436
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: dancing the club. And I was like, if we come

437
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: back from the side, come out of the side, come

438
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 1: back to boat and Bowl's just going pew with the

439
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: little gun. But Bow can't do that kind of silly.

440
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 4: Like that's so you have to commit.

441
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has a basic voice, a serious demeanor and

442
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: like while it like and like he killed it the

443
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: first read, so it killed the and it was like

444
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: that's the joke, like, don't even look at anything else.

445
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 1: But then we get to like the second read to

446
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 1: take it. Each time we got a little less and

447
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: so it as Russid being on the same page, way

448
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: more important than the ego of like it needs to

449
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: be my joke, it needs to be something that works.

450
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: There's a way where you get that joke in there

451
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: and yeah, your ego say it, but then it doesn't

452
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: land on the screen and it just becomes everyone's failure,

453
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: Craig failure, your failure, the movie failure, the director's failure,

454
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: as opposed to being like, let's just roll with what works.

455
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: So like, kudos to you for even seeing that. Now,

456
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 1: how many movies have you got to be on the

457
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: set for it? Because I'm looking at your IMDb? Okay,

458
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: you missed the Christmas over here. You got like, at

459
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: least you have Web of Liized twenty eighteen. Then you

460
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: have a Mary Measure, the Santa Summit, Hot Frosty, Three

461
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: Wives of Men, and a Boy Christmas under the Lights,

462
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: and you got another movie coming out, the Santa Class,

463
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: which I believe comes out this weekend. So you're mister Christmas.

464
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: Now have you got to be on the set for

465
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: each of these?

466
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: Like?

467
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: What's that process?

468
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Like some of them are? This was my third set,

469
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,959
Speaker 2: I think Hot Frosty. I was on set for Hot Frosty,

470
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: I was on set for a Mary Measure, I was

471
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: on set for Santa Class. Santa Summit shot in Winnipeg

472
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: in February, and a Flying from LA to Winnipeg is expensive,

473
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: and b it was zero degrees when they were shooting it.

474
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: I thought it would be you know, maybe I had

475
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 2: I'd have something else going on at that time, you know.

476
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: And then three wivesman Christmas under the lights. It was

477
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 2: just a busy year, so I wasn't able to get

478
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: to everything, unfortunately, because I love nothing more than being

479
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: on set. I absolutely love it. Learn you learn so much.

480
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 2: I do think that it's useful in terms of getting

481
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: to know the talent, getting to know the producers, the directors.

482
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: Showing them that you're not overly precious, I think is

483
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: a huge thing. Again, there are some writers that producers

484
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: and directors will probably work with that might gum up

485
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: the works or take too long, or really fight back

486
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: over things that don't really require it. Sometimes things do

487
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: need a conversation, but generally speaking, there are very few

488
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: things where you have to be like, no, it is

489
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: my way or the highway. You are wrong and I

490
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 2: am right now. I've gone to bad a couple times

491
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: like that, but very infrequently. And so the more that

492
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: people will get to see me and get to know

493
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: who I am and get to know, oh, he works

494
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 2: efficiently he's not overly precious. He's got really good dialogue,

495
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: he's got a great sense of structure, he loves coming

496
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: up with jokes, you know, on the set, he's good

497
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: with the talent. The talent knows him and trusts him.

498
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: Then hopefully, the more I can do that, the more

499
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 2: I can be included in the process, the more I

500
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: can just sit in on meetings where decisions that end

501
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 2: up in the final movie that maybe I don't think work,

502
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: then I could at least say, hey, what if we

503
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: tried it this way instead. Now they might still choose

504
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: to do it that way, that's completely fine, but then

505
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: at least I know, okay, well, you know it's different

506
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: when you watch a movie and you're like, wait a minute,

507
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: why exactly was this the decision that was made? And again,

508
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: I've been incredibly unfortunate. I've been incredibly fortunate. Yeah, I've

509
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: been incredibly fortunate that I have had very very few

510
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: of those, are there? They tend to be very small

511
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: and nitpicky things and not big things.

512
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: And also with that stuff like one being on the

513
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: set was a big part of the writers strike because

514
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: they were telling writers at the time like, hey, we're

515
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: filming all this stuff, especially streaming stuff. You don't need

516
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: to be onset for this, like we'll figure it out. Well, hell,

517
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: we'll get AI on the case. It's like one, it's

518
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: not even just a quality at that point. I need

519
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: to be there to fucking learn. Like what if I

520
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: have aspirations of being a director? What if I want

521
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: to know what a fucking producer does? It helps me

522
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: to write, to know what the difference between a line producer,

523
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: what the fucking camera people do, what the film producer does?

524
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: You know, the muscle of coming up with new stuff

525
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: on the fly in while you're film is a completely

526
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: different muscle than sitting in a room typing some ship.

527
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: So like, there's so much you can only learn on set,

528
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: and it's very important to be there. I'm glad you've

529
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: had good experiences. And it's also interesting too with the

530
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: uh with with all that, because my favorite thing, and

531
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: it's a secret favorite thing, Okay, Like I don't think

532
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 1: I've ever told anybody this, but I think it's I

533
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: think it's secretly every writer's favorite thing. It's when you're like,

534
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: this is the funny thing or the good thing, and

535
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: this is how it should be, and then you get

536
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: like overruled, and then they do it the other way

537
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: and it fucking isn't good, and you're like, may may

538
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: we give it one shot of man way. You can't

539
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: be gloating though, you can't be like touchdown Den, you

540
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: gotta be like, okay, we try it. And the reason

541
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: you gotta be humble is because you definitely are gonna

542
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: have some unfunny and good ship too. It's like like

543
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: no one's clean like you. You gonna have an idea.

544
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: You're like, this is it and that shit is not

545
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 1: gonna hit and it's gonna be like, well, that was

546
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: my lesson for today. But it does feel good when

547
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: you have because I'm I'm like you two and that

548
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go along to get along person in that

549
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make everything a fight. I'm not

550
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: in control. Free if you think you have a better

551
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: idea or I did an add on to it, let's

552
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: do that ship, you know what I mean? Like, I'm

553
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: not here to look better.

554
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: We look better if somebody has a better idea, we

555
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: look better.

556
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: No one, no one at home know so so whatever's

557
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: best is best, but it is good whenever it's like honey,

558
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: y'all thought that ship was better than mine. Anyway, y'all

559
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: want to try the way it was written one time. Now.

560
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is now that you've seen how

561
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: it turns out, you getting reviews in comments, A lot

562
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: of a lot of stuff with Hot Frosty is just

563
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of like either love it in spite of itself

564
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: or like genuinely love it or the like. It's almost

565
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to hate this, but I can't stop

566
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: talking about this because I feel like the Christmas romance

567
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: movie has a bad It's almost like the sci fi

568
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: movie where it's like shark versus alligator or whatever, Like

569
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: it's it's that it's sharknait or it's like you're not

570
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: supposed to like these, right, We're not supposed Just like

571
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: there's a certain type of person that this is their shit, yes,

572
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: and they're gonna they're gonna watch them all every Christmas.

573
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: But Dore's a this Hot Frosty I feel like has

574
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: gone beyond just the like just the insular bubble of

575
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: like these this is certain people's ship and it's all

576
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: they watch. This is pop culture now. People, my friends

577
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: who don't watch this shit are like like, hey, man,

578
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: you heard this hot Frosty movie. I'm like my friend

579
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: wrote that, like, I'm like, this is becoming a big deal.

580
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: So now you're getting reviews, You're getting the likes dislikes.

581
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: How is it affecting you? Does any of his stick?

582
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Does a good stick? Does a bad stick? Are you

583
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: able to laugh at the bad?

584
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 5: Like?

585
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: What is what goes on with the review?

586
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's complicated, right, you know, doing Hallmark movies primarily

587
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: up to this point, the people who write about Hallmark

588
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: movies or whatever are generally fans of Hallmark movies, right,

589
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, And I feel pretty confident that I can

590
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: make a really good and distinctive and interesting Hallmark movie,

591
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: Like I know Mary in the comments said, you know,

592
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: I love a big city boss woman going home for

593
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: the holidays and falling in love with the Christmas tree

594
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: lot owner. You know. You know, I think I'm very

595
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: fortunate that I came into Hallmark when they started really

596
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: expanding what a Hallmark movie could be. So for the

597
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: last like three years, the sandbox has gotten a lot bigger,

598
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: or maybe the sandbox is the same, but I can

599
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: stretch my leg like way outside of it, like this

600
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: one that's coming up on Saturday. Santa Class. It's about

601
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: a school for shopping mall Santa's. It's a very sort

602
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: of when I was writing, and I was thinking a

603
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: lot of like eighties camp movies, you know that sort

604
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: of thing where it's the misfit Santa Crue versus the

605
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of rich kid, super perfect Santa

606
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: Cruz in a competition, and our misfits happen upon the

607
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: real Santa who has amnesia and doesn't remember who he is.

608
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: So how do you remind Santa who he is? He

609
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: can't just tell somebody they're Santa, then they won't believe you, right,

610
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: So how do you jog the memory? How can this

611
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Santa be used to win this competition? How Like? This

612
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: is the sort of thing that three years ago in Hallmark,

613
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: probably more like five years ago just simply would not fly.

614
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: Ye right, It would definitely have needed. Yeah, they would

615
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: have needed the big city boss woman going home for

616
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: the holidays and falling in love with the Christmas tree owner.

617
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. So now that they're looking to really expand

618
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: what that is, they're a little more aware, they're a

619
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: little more cognizant of the tropes and trying to avoid

620
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: them when possible. So they'll just tell me, you know,

621
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 2: it's got to have a lot of Christmas. They got

622
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: a kiss at the end, but you know, beyond that,

623
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: go with God and have a good time, right, Like,

624
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: let's just it's got to be TVG you know, but

625
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: like let's have as much fun with it as we can.

626
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: So to answer your question about the criticism for Hallmark writers,

627
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: I do think that my movies work really well. I've

628
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: been very fortunate with the talent that's been attached and

629
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: the producers, the execs, they've all understood on going for

630
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: they agree, they've progressed it, and it's all worked really nice.

631
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: This Netflix thing, I knew was going to be the

632
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: first one that was going to reach further just because

633
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: it's Netflix, and Netflix is so much bigger. It is

634
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: so much bigger, so much more reach, And I was scared.

635
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: I was definitely scared. I knew how to handle negative

636
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: reviews from Hallmark. Like, you know, my movies are definitely

637
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: different than some of the old school Hallmark things. Maybe

638
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: it's just not your bread and butter. I think it's

639
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: very easy when you see a negative review where clearly

640
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: it's just not what that person's into great say no

641
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: more right, You're totally entitled to that. And generally speaking,

642
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: Hallmark writers aren't very mean and vindictive when writing about

643
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: the movies. People when writing about Netflix movies, will be

644
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: mean and vindictive. They will definitely go there, which is

645
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: very interesting. So I wasn't sure how to handle it.

646
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: I was very fortunate that many of the reviews from

647
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: the critics were very, very nice. They got it, they

648
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: understood what we were going for. We were going for

649
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: something that was a little more I love like movies

650
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: from the thirties and forties. You know, screwball comedies, old

651
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: school romance. You know you're Frank Kapri, your Preston Sturge,

652
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: is your Ernst Lubitsch. I mean, like, these are people

653
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: that I look to all the time. We were definitely

654
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: going for that degree of sweetness and sincerity in it,

655
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 2: and I knew there would be people who who wanted

656
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: like just the one where he's super hot and has

657
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: sex with everybody or whatever, Like we just we weren't

658
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: gonna do that. We were gonna make him super hot,

659
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: but we didn't know. We didn't want to go like

660
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: the romance novel porno version of the thing didn't We

661
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: didn't want to do something where we're winking at the

662
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: camera the whole time, being like, how dumb is this premise?

663
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: Isn't this so stupid? You know, we're trying to use

664
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: a very silly premise because my taste also runs very

665
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: silly as it comes to comedy. We're trying to use

666
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: that to then get to something earnest. I think one

667
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: of the reviews, the review from The Guardian, I don't

668
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: remember who said this, but they said it's sincerely stupid,

669
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: but it goes about it sincerely yes, And I was like, yes,

670
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: that's what That's exactly what I'm going for. That's a

671
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: perfect description of what I love. You know.

672
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: I was talking with a friend who watched the movie,

673
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: and he's a comedian, so he's like roasting the movie

674
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: but also, you know, like get you is that thing

675
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: where like you can tell that he enjoyed watching it

676
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: and he but he also is roasting the shit out

677
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: of it, right and and so I'm listening to him

678
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, well, this is gonna blow

679
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: your mind. That's my buddy who wrote that. And he's like, what,

680
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: I have so many questions to ask him and stuff.

681
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: I was like, but you know what I said, knowing

682
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: knowing Russ, the mirth in your voice, the smile on

683
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: your face even as you're roasting and you're asking these

684
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's asking these questions like why does he

685
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: have underwear on? If you just discover what clothes are whatever,

686
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: I was like, that ship would make that would make

687
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: Russ laugh, Like I don't think I don't think Russ

688
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: would take it to this, like my art how daddy,

689
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Like I think Russ's like, it's kind of goofy, but

690
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: like I wanted, I want you to feel kind of goofy.

691
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: What it reminded me of. I don't even know if

692
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: you watch this show, but it's like probably my favorite show.

693
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of American Dad. And I

694
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: mean that in the best way, because I have a

695
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: lot of reverence for American Dad and that it can

696
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: be silly, but there's like a core and a smartness

697
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: to the silliness of it, Like the Pretty Woman montage,

698
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: like I was fucking dying because like it was I

699
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: don't know, Like it's it's at Craig Robinson's who's in

700
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: American Dad and plays like a detective that's based off

701
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: of far As Whitaker's Detective on the Shield, so like it. Yeah,

702
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: it was given like a type of synergy that made

703
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: me be like, noah, man, I'm into this silly shit,

704
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and this is not my genre of movie, Like, this

705
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: is not something I necessarily would like watch. So it

706
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: was it was like nah, and it wasn't even that

707
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: you wrote it. It was literally like everybody's talking about it.

708
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: I think I gotta watch it. Everybody been talking about it,

709
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: like bird Box, like I don't want to be out

710
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the fucking look was like you.

711
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 4: See hot Crossty. I'm like, hell was a hot Crowsty?

712
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: When you send out the memes, I need to know

713
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: what the fuck the memes mean, you know. Yeah, I

714
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: was calling the CEO shooter dude hot shooty because I

715
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: was like, you know this, like appearently.

716
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: I know, I know, dude, that was crazy. I've seen

717
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: all sorts of comments about that. Dude, that is wild.

718
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: That's wild.

719
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: I had. I had nothing to do with that.

720
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Let the record show you didn't write that.

721
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: That is not that's not viral marketing for a Hot

722
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: Frosty sequel. That's not nothing to do with me.

723
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wow. That must like that, like, thank god

724
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: we didn't have the Internet when Ted Buddy Bundy was

725
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: out here. I didn't like seeing real time less for

726
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: a killer is kind of weird. It's like, oh, whoa,

727
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: this is live. Do you guys know that we can

728
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: see this? But no, man, it's been fun.

729
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Nobody care. This is this is what kills me. And

730
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: this is what I think. This ties really nicely into

731
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: what I think is important about the movie. Uh, not

732
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: important important in trying to make a movie, right. Uh.

733
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: So much of discourse today online or even in real

734
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: life is so like legled with like thick steaming piles

735
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: of irony, and every single thing is like removed emotionally

736
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: from what the gag is or what the thing is.

737
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: Certainly that those videos on like Cinema sins or like

738
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 2: you know, honest trailers or whatever, where when they would

739
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: watch the movie trailers and be like, let's not watch

740
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: it to like get lost in a story. Let's instead

741
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: try to find things that we can like crack on,

742
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: you know, instead of like just giving your heart over

743
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: to a thing. I think that when when trying to

744
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: make Hot Frosty, I really wanted it to be the

745
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: sort of thing where, yes, the title is evocative and

746
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: it'll get you to and it'll get you to watch it.

747
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: But I wanted people right away to realize, oh, this

748
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: is the sort of thing where if you emotionally invest or,

749
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: if you're open to emotional investment, rather than just being like, well,

750
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna snark on it the whole time. If

751
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: you want to snark on it, there's space for that.

752
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

753
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: But like, I really appreciated how many people watched the

754
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: movie and the review, the review that you may mentioned

755
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: at the beginning, people said, you know, I went into

756
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: this not expecting to like it, and why was it

757
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: actually good? It had no business being this good. A

758
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: hot frosty movie should not be this good, right, Like

759
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: that kind of reviewed always tickles me. I love that

760
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: because that's that that shows that they went into it

761
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: ready to irony watch and instead ended up having a

762
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: sincere reaction to the movie, and that that means the

763
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: world to me. So yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

764
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: It is funny too, because like on his face man,

765
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: as a concept, it feels like a pitch for like

766
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: an S and L sketch that's gonna be three minutes,

767
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, like like on his like if you're like,

768
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: what if Frosty Snowman was like hot, It's like what.

769
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: But genuinely, whenever I would tell people about it, I

770
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: would do my best norm voice. I'd be like, he's

771
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: Frosty a snowman, but then he's a super hot dude.

772
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: And like all the women less than in After I'm

773
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: in the Town, shout out to the Katie, the woman

774
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: from Eastbound and Down. I love her. I loved her

775
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: in Eastbounding Down, and I loved her in this. My

776
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: favorite thing is, uh when like when they're like doing

777
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: the build up of like, oh, man, what's going on

778
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: with this like this guy, you think like, oh, they

779
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: got to keep coming up with lives for the town,

780
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: and she's just like, yeah, he's like a snowman. Remember

781
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: the high Snowman came to life? Boom all right the

782
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: next scene you know what I mean, Like I died

783
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: when what she said it's just delivered so perfectly.

784
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I really love the idea, and I think a

785
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: lot of people again picked up on some of the

786
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: things I was trying to, like, you know, sneak into

787
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: the movie a little bit, but like this is a

788
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: movie about uh, you know, the value of having a

789
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: community that is supportive, and it's a bit of a

790
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: fantasy in that respect, but like it's the sort of

791
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: thing where if if everybody in a community was really

792
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: invested in trying to lift each other up, and somebody

793
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: came in and said some like super outlandis shit to you,

794
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: and you were like, well, I've never known them to

795
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: lie before. Oh okay, then sure, great, Like I will

796
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: believe in magic because you believe in this thing, and thus, okay, yeah,

797
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: I guess I can piece that together. Sounds good right,

798
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: like it is? It is. It played comedically to some

799
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: extent too, Yes, absolutely, but again it toes that nice

800
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: line between it's it's very silly and it's very sincere.

801
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: So talking to my friend through text today, I thought

802
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: I was funny because man, actually I'm gonna read the

803
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: exact day I wrote. But it was so funny because

804
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: I was like joking but not joking. I said, Yeah,

805
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: I said, in the time of Trump, a movie about

806
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: a community coming together to stop the over policing of

807
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 1: an immigrant. I thought you'd be on board. But maybe

808
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a little too woke for you.

809
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: But.

810
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: Like that is gone woke. The Frosty woke.

811
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: But I'm like, that is what happened. He has no fingerprints,

812
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: he's not here legally, and the community come together. They

813
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: try to get together to you know, help him out.

814
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: So like that is that is funny. Karen also wrote

815
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: a review of it in Our In the chat in

816
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: the text which she said, hot Frosty was as hot

817
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: as the hot and bothered mom say he was smoking.

818
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: He was smoking. Surprise it took him he was so

819
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: smoking high. I'm surprised it took him so long to

820
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: melt with with all that heat being talked his way.

821
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

822
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: These women, these women in this mood, they apparently should

823
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 1: the men in town have been offended like a gem

824
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: where they needed to go work out because a roof

825
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: full of lines had never seen abs before in that

826
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: town they were going in.

827
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what caught me was the bear first lady.

828
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 4: Her husband couldn't see.

829
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was like, we acts that description, but

830
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: I don't think our description.

831
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: We couldn't use her description.

832
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: She was like, I bet you gang.

833
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: She was like we better investigate.

834
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: She was investigate. Yeah, and then Joe says, later they said, oh,

835
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: did ethel get a look at him? She was and

836
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: they were like, yeah, but we needed a description of

837
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: his face. Yes, yeah, that that line's in the script.

838
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

839
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of my favorite a lot of

840
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: my favorite bits. That what I'm going to treat to

841
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: write for Joel Trulia. Oh my god, what an incredible actor. Yeah,

842
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: the ladies in the town. You know, But I feel like,

843
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe this is just me. Right when

844
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: I was growing up in Jacksonville, Florida, you know, there

845
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: were people who were in shape, right, Like, there were

846
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: there were dudes. I'm sure there were dudes like on

847
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 2: the football team or whatever that was like, but when

848
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: I went to church or when I went wherever, there

849
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: were never dudes where like where like you can tell

850
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: like they were like professional actor looking, like you need

851
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: it in a movie. You gotta have everybody's good looking

852
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: in a movie, period, right, and then you gotta have

853
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: somebody that's the best looking of good looking people in

854
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: a movie. You know, it takes it to the next tier,

855
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: you know, uh likely, Like how.

856
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: Much of that comes into Like when you're writing it

857
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: and you're thinking of a demo, are you thinking, like, listen,

858
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: we gotta have a dude that women of a certain

859
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: like moms who watch these movies want to see some

860
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: fucking eye cans, like they why it came, like, we

861
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: don't have a movie if this motherfucker ain't like it

862
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: is what it is at this point.

863
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, and women out of number one viewers. I hate.

864
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 5: I hate to break it to y'all. This is like

865
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 5: women is like the demo that you're aiming for.

866
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: So it's like, if you miss that, that show audious women.

867
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: The women I know who love this movie have a

868
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: thing in common, which is they do things. Does motherfucker

869
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: is hot? Like they accept the premise of the movie,

870
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: which is you know what I mean, it's kind of crowdy.

871
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. I was less concerned about finding a

872
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: guy that hot, because again it's Hollywood. They'll they'll find

873
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: a super hot dude. I was more concerned about finding

874
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: somebody who who was sweet, you know, who was able

875
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: to give themselves over to the thing so completely and

876
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: so willingly. And it's the hardest role by by a

877
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: landslide in the movie. And so to get somebody like

878
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: Dustin who took it so seriously and like this is

879
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: such a maybe this is a bit of like me

880
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 2: overblowing a thing by the way, my headphones keep pushing

881
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: my hat around. I don't know what's going on.

882
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: In Khan did the duke off the screen, which I'm fine.

883
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: We're gonna leave the hat off. I'm just gonna keep messing.

884
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: But but Dustin man, he approached it with this with

885
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: the seriousness of like you know, like a buster eating

886
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: or like you know, thinking about, well, how do I

887
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: move at any moment, how how do I respond? Like

888
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: taking the challenge of being so new to the world

889
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 2: incredibly seriously. And the thing that I think ends up

890
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 2: attracting the women even more than just his abs is

891
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: like the type of dude that he is. Right, he

892
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be asked to do housework for her.

893
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: He's just doing it because it's a nice thing to do.

894
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: He's very natured. He is not burdened with the world.

895
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: He's not burdened by the things. He wasn't trained by

896
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: men over the course of his life to behave a

897
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: certain way. He instead comes into the world, sees somebody

898
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: helping others and goes, oh, that that seems good. I

899
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: get that. Yeah, I will also do that, right, So

900
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a coincidence. In fact, I know

901
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: it's not a coincidence because I wrote the damn thing

902
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: that people lust after him, true, but what really connects

903
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: people to him is the sweetness of him. And you know,

904
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: I think it's mel who says at the end, like,

905
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, a man that's sweet just has to be magic.

906
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: Like it's hard to envision somebody who behaves that behave.

907
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: L's is so much different than you know, romance, you

908
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So like, yeah, you could have

909
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: had a hot dude that just didn't nail the sweetness

910
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: of it. And I agree, it's not just hard one.

911
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: It's hard to write because you have to like I

912
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: need this character to be naive, sweet, simple, But at

913
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: the same time, like I like, for the story to

914
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: move certain ship, they just gotta know what happens, so

915
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: like uh, like it's rady g he can't be walking

916
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: around with his dick out like for real, no, you

917
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So so like when he passed

918
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: the overall things on or whatever, and he has he

919
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: able to take him off to change clothes and he's

920
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: got underwear and the knee, it's like, of course, like

921
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: what the fuck kind of movies is? So he's smart

922
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: enough to know to put the underwear on.

923
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 2: He so liked even on zip that.

924
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Far, not that far the top, you can see the top.

925
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't even realize the very draws.

926
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate him, Uh, he would have changed the whole movie. Abs.

927
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 1: But also like he has to have abs but act

928
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: like no man who has ever had ABS is acted.

929
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: You know, there's no with that many abs that is

930
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: that sweet. And he has to be like dumb in

931
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: a way that is endearing. It's just so funking. It's

932
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I think Channon Tatum is a

933
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: great actor is because he can do ship like that

934
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: where you're like, fuck, man, he's nailing this dumb guy ship. No,

935
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: because because like there's like a there's a level of

936
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: like funny dumb that everyone's like, and then there's a

937
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: level of dumb. It's like this guy is a fucking annoying.

938
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: I wrote the name at some point I mentioned early

939
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: on in the process, like we need we need a

940
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 2: Channing hat them type, Like we need somebody like young

941
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: Channing Tatum who can who can do exactly what it

942
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: is that that he brings to the table. You're exactly right,

943
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 2: because Kathy's attraction to him has nothing to do with lust.

944
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 2: She has seen his abs and his body in very

945
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: full glory for the most part, and is not really shopping.

946
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: She's not impressed, right, like, that's she's she's a bit

947
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: wary of having somebody around who will be bothering her,

948
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 2: you know. And it's only through his actions that she

949
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: finds that he is, you know, worthy of her affection,

950
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: right and brings sort of the L word back onto

951
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: the table when it was when it was so far

952
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: off the table. It has nothing to do with like, man,

953
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: I really want to bang the snowman, you know, has

954
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: nothing to do with that at all, and has everything

955
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: to do with with his behavior and his That's what

956
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 2: the neighbors are, for sure, the neighbors. The neighbors can

957
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: lust from a fall. The people who know him love absolutely.

958
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I do. It is kind of a role reversal, but

959
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: I kind of do love that. The like older married

960
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: like townswomen are all like, goddamn, you know, I just

961
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: kind of like like, it's not a constant drone, it's

962
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: not annoying. It doesn't ever get to like some like man,

963
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: you can't even focus on the movie thing. But like

964
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: their acknowledging, like Buddy's pretty hot. No, and he's a stranger,

965
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: he's new here in town. What's going on with Yes?

966
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: Especially the first woman with the car, how she was

967
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: just driving and she crashed.

968
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was like, can I help you with

969
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 4: the car? She was like you Shurekhan baby.

970
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they they did. They did a

971
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: lot of alternate lines for that scene, some of which

972
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: definitely were not able to make.

973
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 4: Somebody said absolutely not.

974
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody said, we we do. We do ultimately have

975
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: a rating that we'd like to accomplish here. Yeah, I

976
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: named I named the lady who drove the car after

977
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: my grandmother, who is ninety seven, you know. Yeah, and

978
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: she saw the movie and she was absolutely tickled. And

979
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 2: all of her friends in that group are named after

980
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: like women in my family, my grandmother's and my great aunts.

981
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's That's just another way that I find

982
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: in terms of writing these movies, that it helps you

983
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: connect to them personally, Like you've got to connect personally

984
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: otherwise why is why is the audience gonna care if

985
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: you don't care? So I always end up writing characters

986
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 2: with like my friend's names or my family members' names,

987
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 2: the people who own the thrift shop. Melan theo like

988
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: that's my mom and dad, you know.

989
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Karen has a conspiracy theory, I do.

990
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't. I can't. I think I know what

991
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna say, and I'm excited to hear it.

992
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 5: Yes, my my conspiracy theory is that the two people

993
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 5: in the shop they gave her to scarf. I think

994
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 5: that dude is a snowman too. That's my theory because.

995
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: That's how she knew because she wasn't tripping the whole movie.

996
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 4: Like she wasn't.

997
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: She seemed like she has seen this. Listen, you need

998
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: to listen.

999
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 4: It's magical.

1000
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: You need to stop and get with that snowman.

1001
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: And they and they seem kind of laid back, you know.

1002
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 5: They was like, hey, it's okay, Yes, it's okay, keep

1003
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 5: my shoes.

1004
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm there's some brother in love here. What's happening?

1005
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 3: You know?

1006
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: Once you go snow you don't need no mo.

1007
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: Put that in the movie. That's I'm gonna put that

1008
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: in the sequel. Look. One of the things I really

1009
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: like about any small town is the degree to which

1010
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 2: some people will choose to go unbothered, you know, like

1011
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: some some people it's like, you know, come come on,

1012
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: buy for breakfast, let's let's just hang out. It's good

1013
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 2: to see you kids. What's going on. It's like wha

1014
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: wait a minute, hold on, you know, like some people

1015
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: are just so unbothered period, because life is simpler.

1016
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 6: As a writer and movie wise, I'm surprised how rare

1017
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: it is for somebody to kind of because you know,

1018
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 6: you write yourself into a puzzle and then you try

1019
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 6: to write yourself out.

1020
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: This is writing, That's what it is. Well, it's so

1021
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: obvious sometimes where it's like, oh, what if everyone was

1022
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: just cool? It's just like it's the last It doesn't

1023
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: matter how many fucking movies I watch. By the way,

1024
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: it always blows my mind because in real life people

1025
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: are not cool is what I found for the master

1026
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: jory of my life. So it's always a plot twist

1027
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: that will work on me. It's like, yeah, but what

1028
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: if the whole town was like actually, like not that

1029
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: hung up about it, Like it was a kind of

1030
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: in your head that everyone was gonna be up in

1031
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: the arms about it. But in real life most people

1032
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. And I was like, oh, Yeah, right,

1033
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: that's a great yes, and it is heartwarming and it

1034
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: does work and it does make it feel like a

1035
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: community at the end, Like it really did work on me.

1036
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1037
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: At the same time, I'm like, it's fucking obvious. I

1038
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: would have never thought of that.

1039
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: I also think, once you have the sheriff, be somebody

1040
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: who you know. At some point in the draft process,

1041
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: this line got cut. But you know, he basically like

1042
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: they accuse him of, like you know, learning how to

1043
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 2: police from Sylvester Stallone movies and CSI. I am right,

1044
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: this is he is the best. The best way to

1045
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: bring out the worst in him is to show that

1046
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: everybody else is great, yes, and like and nobody needs

1047
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: him to police anything. Yes, And obviously this is like

1048
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: a lesson that some police probably should learn. You know,

1049
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 2: you you don't always need to be like tripping so

1050
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: hard on some of these things. But he says he

1051
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: writes a ticket for the mayor when he was dropping

1052
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: off like gifts to the children's hospital. Yeah, he was

1053
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: in the loading You can't park in the loading zone. Yeah,

1054
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 2: I mean there, but but you know what I love.

1055
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: I also thought he was sweet, like by the like

1056
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: like Craig never plays it so bad that you're like

1057
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: this sheriff is a villain in the movie who's just

1058
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: look he plays it like a member of the community

1059
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: who just he went a little He's a little over zealous,

1060
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, he thought, I'm

1061
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: doing this to protect the community. So so like I

1062
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: never truly like lose like he's obviously a hard ass,

1063
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: but I never lose like the connection of like, man,

1064
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: this guy is ever deemable. They gotta get him out

1065
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: of the community. It's like, okay, buddy, you took your

1066
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: job a little too serious. Take it down a notch,

1067
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: you know.

1068
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Craig on set and this is this is him going

1069
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: way too far and being nice to me about it.

1070
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: But he called he called me Shakespeare when he would

1071
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: see me, because he was like his character. He felt

1072
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: was very like Shakespearean had these big ambitions and takes

1073
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: things way too far. And I mean, I would be

1074
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,760
Speaker 2: inclined to believe that there are probably a large number

1075
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: of police officers in this country who believe, maybe convince themselves,

1076
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: who believe that what they are doing is for the betterman,

1077
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: like for the greater good right, and it doesn't matter

1078
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: how bad, what they what they are doing is they

1079
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: justify it to themselves. They're not like doing going like,

1080
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: oh I'm gonna go be bad today. No, They're like, no,

1081
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: the things that I am doing are for a good reason.

1082
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: Right now, that's a very very scary thing for people

1083
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: to think when they have power, because when you have

1084
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: power and you think, well, my version of reality is

1085
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: the correct one, and my version of justice is the

1086
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: correct one, then it leads to all sorts of terrible things, right,

1087
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: And like, look, this is a silly movie at the

1088
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: end of the day. But I do think that people

1089
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: who sort of wrote about this is also a movie

1090
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: that you know, reflects some things that people might be

1091
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: seeing from law enforcement. Yes, I don't think that's an accident.

1092
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: I think that that's something that was like online he sees.

1093
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: And also, like you know, these movies are about magic

1094
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: and magic. You know, like this is a magical This

1095
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: is Frosty the snow Man, but he's high. So when

1096
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: you're like, like when he's fingerprinting him is like no fingerprints,

1097
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: He's an agent of the You're just like yes, because

1098
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: like not not the TV too serious, but that is

1099
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: what happens when you have the unexplainable in the hands

1100
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 1: of like power, right, like, it can't be, it can't

1101
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: be this non malicious solution. It's this motherfucker's terrorist we

1102
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: got like.

1103
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, always looking for something like that.

1104
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: Yes, it is why. It's why you look at a

1105
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: small town and go, y'all have three home v's, a

1106
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: tank and riot gear. Like I don't think. I don't

1107
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: think coming through right.

1108
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: Not for the three hundred people that live here. May

1109
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm not target.

1110
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: I think Spring Valley, Wyoming is okay. I don't think.

1111
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't think the revolution popping off to night you got.

1112
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Me, not not from the people, maybe from the police,

1113
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: right right, you know, the craig even says the sheriff

1114
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: is like, hell, they might even do a podcast about this.

1115
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: He's already got like how he's gonna get famous off

1116
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: of like catching some criminal, right, like yes, the second

1117
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: something happens, like he is immediately going to, oh my god,

1118
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: like this is gonna be great for me.

1119
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: And how how long does it take you from like inception,

1120
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: like you come on died there you start writing a movie.

1121
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: Obviously you got your notes, you got your draft, she

1122
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: got your back and forth. Then if it gets you

1123
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: know Greenlit accepted whatever they're gonna film it, because I'm

1124
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: sure you know rejection is a big part of his business.

1125
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had some shit that was just like

1126
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: everything looked like it was gonna go, and it's not

1127
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna go for whatever reason.

1128
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: But yep.

1129
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: So when it is a completely successful venture from start

1130
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: to finish, how long does it take you to would

1131
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: you say from start to we've wrapped on the movie

1132
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: the movie is out?

1133
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 2: It depends in a huge way. I mean hot for us,

1134
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: he was a spec meaning for people who don't know

1135
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: listening that I wrote it not knowing I was gonna

1136
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: get paid, right, I wrote it for myself. I wrote

1137
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: it because I thought it was a funny idea and

1138
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't get it out of my head, and so

1139
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: I wanted to write it, and luckily somebody then optioned it.

1140
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: I forget when they optioned it. It might have been

1141
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: Spring twenty two, you know, So it took a couple

1142
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: of years to get here, which where Christmas movies takes.

1143
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: That's a very very long road for your typical Hallmark movie.

1144
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: You know, if I if I sell a concept in October,

1145
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: they might be shooting it in like April or May

1146
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: the following year. I mean, like we are talking very,

1147
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 2: very very now.

1148
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: That is that an appealing part of it? Because like,

1149
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: look at the end of the day, especially once I

1150
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: was writing, getting paid is a big fucking part of it. Like,

1151
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: like I tell back every fucking thing I ever said

1152
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: on a podcast about they just did this to get paid, Yes, bitch,

1153
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: And so does everyone that does any job. Ever, no

1154
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: one's in it for just free or the love except rich.

1155
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: Only rich people can be like, I'm just this my

1156
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: vanity project. Well I'm not vain. I need to get jay. So,

1157
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: like I had never thought about it until It's weird

1158
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: that it's sad honestly that it took me knowing you

1159
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: and not this movie, but actually knowing you back in

1160
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: the day when you used to talk about the Sci

1161
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: five movies and yeah, and you'd be like, oh, man,

1162
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: I want to write you know, this movie like Squids

1163
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: Versus Aliens or whatever, And I'd be like, what the

1164
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: fuck is wrong with Russ? Why does he want to

1165
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: make those movies? But I didn't know the economy of it.

1166
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: Yes, and now I also love them. It's a good Yeah,

1167
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: it's two things combining right right, there are movies that

1168
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 2: happen very quickly. I've also found very fortunately with these

1169
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: Hallmark movies, the people that make them aren't jerks there.

1170
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: They also are not overly precious. And it's like, if

1171
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: you're a jerk and you're gumming up the works and

1172
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to do this thing from premise to being

1173
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: in the can in under six months, you don't have

1174
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: time for jerks, like just straight up right. It also

1175
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: helps that they're basically all shot in Canada, and Canadians

1176
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 2: are lovely, you know, So that sort of thing helps

1177
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: a lot. And I find that very appealing, especially because

1178
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: I like to work very quickly, like I want it out.

1179
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: I want it out, like I gotta get it on

1180
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: the page and then spend some time editing and then

1181
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: figure it out from there. And I love what you

1182
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: said about you know, I do think getting paid is important.

1183
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: I think that you know, what's the thing that's coming

1184
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: out soon is the Mufasa movie, you know, And when

1185
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: when they announced that Barry Jenkins was doing it, everyone

1186
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, this is outrageous, how dare he do it?

1187
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: I was like, what you think, Barry Jenkins doesn't want

1188
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: a beach house. Dude. You know Barry Jenkins, right, you

1189
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: think Barry Jenkins doesn't want like he's like, wait, you're

1190
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 2: telling me that I could sit in a at home

1191
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: on zoom probably while they're in the recording booth. Then

1192
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: people are gonna send me special effects updates. I'll be

1193
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: sitting here like this for a year or two. People

1194
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: are working out and then and then they get to

1195
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: put from the Academy Award winning or whatever director of

1196
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: uh it comes Mufasa Lion King two. It's like, look,

1197
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: am I in love with the fact that this happens.

1198
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 2: And Barry Jenkins isn't doing an original movie, but he's

1199
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: doing Mufasa as somebody who loves movies. No, I'm not,

1200
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: but as somebody who makes movies. If he is somebody

1201
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: now I don't know if he is this person or not.

1202
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't know him. There are people who will do

1203
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 2: the old one for them, one for you method right,

1204
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: it is a lot easier. Something like Moonlight probably does

1205
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: not pay a lot of money to a director at

1206
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and it takes a long

1207
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: time for movies that are not Hallmark movies or sci

1208
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: fi movies or whatever. It takes a very good.

1209
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons I don't look This

1210
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons I don't participate in the

1211
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: D versus like Marvel versus DC. I don't even participate

1212
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: in it because I'm like if you once you're in

1213
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: the game, you realize it's all synergy, Like they really

1214
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: can't exist without each other. Like Barry needs some money

1215
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: to go call Michael B. Jordan and be like, we

1216
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: want to make a fucking passion project that we've been

1217
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: working on for twenty years about the richest African prince

1218
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: in the history. No fucking studio wants to do this.

1219
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: No one wants to give us the budget. But if

1220
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: we make fucking if we make Black Panther, then we

1221
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: can make this. And I'm like, yes, and if and

1222
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: if Black Panther got to get made low key, I

1223
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: want Bury and Michael B. Jordan to make it like

1224
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: that it's gonna get made, then maybe they'll make a

1225
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: good one. Sometimes it's shitty sometimes the cash grab but

1226
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: but like at the same time, like it all kind

1227
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: of has to flow together. But like I said, once

1228
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: I needed to be paid, I completely understood the game

1229
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: in a different way of like, yeah, sometimes you just

1230
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: gotta take the hit, like fuck that, you know, let

1231
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: me get I think.

1232
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: I think people when it comes to that sort of thing,

1233
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 2: big studio versus anything, I think people sometimes mistake where

1234
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 2: their frustrations lie. Like I think that it's very easy

1235
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: to get frustrated with talent right when talent, I think,

1236
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: to what you are saying is completely true, right, Like

1237
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: talent can look at that if they have aspirations of

1238
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,919
Speaker 2: doing indie work, like Robert Pattinson is such a great

1239
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 2: example of this. You know, there are people out there,

1240
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: Kristin Stewart another great example, who do these big things

1241
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: and then once they are paid, they realize it's okay,

1242
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,959
Speaker 2: Now I can help get other things greenlit. I can

1243
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: be the change I want to see people get frustrated

1244
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: when artists like uh, I don't want to name anybody,

1245
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: but there are artists who are out there who do

1246
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 2: a movie where it feels like it's a one for them,

1247
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: and then the next thing they announce is also a

1248
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: one for them, and then the next thing is also

1249
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: a one for them, and it's like, oh, they just

1250
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: want to be one of them. They don't they don't

1251
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: care about they did the indie movies to get in

1252
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: to be the person making the that And.

1253
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: For the record, I respect this day. Once, like I said,

1254
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: once I got a check. Once I got a check,

1255
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: I understood, like, because there's some reporters that got like

1256
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: they got them kind of check bills. I don't, okay,

1257
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: I never thought I would be. I never made decisions

1258
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: that was like I need to stay in this fucking sure.

1259
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: It's it's consumer it's consumer frustration more than an exact right.

1260
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: If you consume uh, things that are a little more artistic,

1261
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: things that are more uh you know, non pre existing IP,

1262
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: then you are very frustrated when you see artists choose

1263
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: to go that way. Where I think people should direct

1264
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: frustration where I think it is merited. When it comes

1265
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: to studios versus indy stuff is to people on the

1266
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: executive level, right to the people at the very top,

1267
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: to the people with the money. You're telling me that

1268
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 2: nobody has figured out at Marvel that a Blade movie

1269
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: should be Blade versus a bunch of vampires for ninety minutes,

1270
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: and that's it. It is the least complicated pitch imaginable. Yeah,

1271
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: and then every time you hear the little morsels in

1272
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: the news that're like, well they they're giving him like

1273
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: four buddies. And then there's another like, uh, whoa, whoa wait,

1274
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: wait a minute, wait, I'm not signing up for Blade

1275
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: and his buddies. Dude. I want to see Blade with

1276
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: some cool last weapons killing vampires for ninety minutes. It's

1277
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: so sick.

1278
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 4: I can't wait.

1279
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: People at like I can't wait.

1280
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: Time messed up on that stuff.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for the leagues to come out because

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01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: I have a conspiracy theory about that that I can't prove.

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01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: But I wonder if Mahershla is like this ship need

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01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,919
Speaker 1: to be black panther level for the black people, and

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: because he keeps staying on the film, which is weird

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01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: to me, I would have been gone so so like

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: it would be And look, it's only funny to me

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: because I don't care that much, right, But I'm sure

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01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: if I like, if I, if I was, if I

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01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: had to care a lot, then I'm sure it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be funny at all. But it would be funny if

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Speaker 1: they were bringing him the script that you're talking about,

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01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: where it's like, look, man, just fuck up some vampires. Bro,

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01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be You're gonna be cool ast ship. It's

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna be an hour and a half fucking up vampires.

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Speaker 1: It don't even really need to be bigger than that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, how is this going to connect with African Americans?

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Speaker 1: Because if it doesn't uplift my people's I mean, no

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Speaker 1: Marshall or Marshall, We'll get another director. We'll get another director,

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: no problem, We'll get Jordan Peel. Well, we got some

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01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: talks going. We're gonna figure it out. But that would

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: be funny me, Yeah, that would be if he was

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01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: the hang up. Although you know, I don't want to

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01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: put that on him, but I do agree with you,

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01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: like studio stuff at the top, and that's that. Yeah,

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01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: none of us knows, and we'll find out one day

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01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: probably if it doesn't, if it ever comes out or

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01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: someone leaks it or whatever. But right I keep saying, man,

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01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 2: Believe it's never happening. It's never happened.

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Speaker 1: I can't. Did you see dad poolver.

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: I did see dead I feel if they wanted to

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: dust off Wesley watch something there.

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Speaker 1: But look, I still can't believe they let them put

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: that joke in Deadpool whereas like that movie ain't never

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01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: coming out. I was like, oh damn God, damn.

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01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's the sort of it's the sort of thing

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: that like this, this sometimes drives me crazy about some

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01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: of these sorts of movies. It's such a heavier cake

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: and eat it too thing, where like there's nothing that

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01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 2: I find like how do I phrase this without getting

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01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: myself in trouble. I don't ascribe to a certain level

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: of cynicism that uh that states like, you know, what

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 2: we can do here he is we can take all

1325
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 2: of the things that we have done wrong, will be like,

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: oh look we're messing up. The audience will go ha

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01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: ha ha, and then we will get the money from

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: them for doing that. Like there's there's such a there's

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: such a like a corporate like uh thing there like

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 2: when they sort of when a corporation like has a

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 2: scandal and then like sort of very winkingly like goofs

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01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: on it or if somebody like messes up and goes

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01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: on SNL and does like a you know, like it's

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01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 2: that sort of thing like does give me. But again

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: it's it's at a studio level and not a and

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01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: not a talent level, like get why the talent would

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 2: want to do it, But the studio stuff is where

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Speaker 2: I go.

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01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: Here. Here's let me just put this cound of point

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: out there. As a comic book fan, especially a comic

1341
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: book fan of Deadpool, that is what dad so like

1342
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: the comic book is the same, Like it is also saying, hey, Marvel,

1343
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: be fucking up.

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01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 4: And here's where.

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01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 1: Here's our place where we can go as people who

1346
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: like Marvel and enjoy the ship and we'll watch it.

1347
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: Here's our place we can go. And sometimes they be

1348
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: fucking up. It's like a roast, like do those people

1349
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: really hate Tom Brady? No, but here's the place where

1350
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: we can be. Like Bill Belichick is dating a high

1351
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: schooler and we can go, Yeah, that we laughed at it,

1352
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: but that is true, Like we're not forgetting that you

1353
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: did that shit. But both things work, Like I think,

1354
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: it just depends on how seriously you take the movies.

1355
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: I don't live in a world where like these movies

1356
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: are gonna exist and people want to see them all right,

1357
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: you know, y'all, y'all fried yourself so they will, cause

1358
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: we've been frying you for these mistakes. You fried yourselves.

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: And let me know you're aware of it. Well, I

1360
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: don't think you can salvage anything twenty movies in. I

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: think this is the courses on it'll continue. It's you know,

1362
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: it's like diminishing returns, like where they're gonna fix it tomorrow,

1363
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna what They're gonna quit making billion dollar movies

1364
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: up to the potential making billion dollar movies just out

1365
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 1: of the goodness of their fucking heart. No one does that.

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01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: So it's.

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 2: For sure it's steering the Titanic. Yeah, and it takes

1368
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: a long time. If there's an iceberg in front of

1369
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: you, you can't turn it too late. Yeah, Like otherwise you

1370
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 2: are gonna get some of that. Now. Do I think

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 2: they are completely capable with the money that they have,

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01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: of changing things in a two year span. Absolutely?

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: I definitely think that they watch Will they will they

1375
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: do it? Is that a bigger question?

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: I also read Deadpool growing up. I think you're right up.

1378
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're right about the Dead Bool thing.

1379
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, reading it on a page like

1380
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: a quarter century ago before, like it was this giant corporate,

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01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, monolith, like it was a corporation. But there's

1382
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 2: something different about like a kid like in his bedroom,

1383
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: like with like reading the pages and flipping them and

1384
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: you know, putt throwing them under his bed afterwards, versus

1385
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 2: like the four hundred million dollar budget movie for the

1386
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 2: multi billion dollar like industry. Thing is. I get that

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 2: it's in the same spirit, but for whatever reason, it

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01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: doesn't translator. Yeah, yeah, the translation between mediums, I think some.

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 3: Times, and for me, I guess this is what I

1390
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,719
Speaker 3: pushed back. I understand your perspective because not you're funny.

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01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 3: You and Roger read a lot of comic books.

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Speaker 5: I came into the Marvel universe through the movies, like

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01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:16,800
Speaker 5: me personally.

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01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: So this is your comic book under.

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01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 3: The correct So so I do understand what you're saying.

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01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,839
Speaker 5: It doesn't hit for you, but for me, it's like, Okay,

1397
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 5: I see y'all fucking up.

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: Y'all know y'all fucking up.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the.

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01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 5: Joke in the format that I'm being presented in, because

1401
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 5: this is my comic book. This is me putting it,

1402
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 5: you know, putting it behind the DVD play or whatever

1403
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:42,839
Speaker 5: you want to say.

1404
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: And forget about it.

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 4: It's not a book form.

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01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: But for me, there's not a clean there's no clean

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: corporation this big at this point, so like there's no

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01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 1: way they're ever gonna address it, or even when they

1409
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: don't address it, we still roast them for not addressing

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, they made too much money to be uncriticized,

1411
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: so it's just gonna true hurt. But here's the thing

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: I will say, because we got I do have to

1413
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: wrap up. We gotta go in a second. But this

1414
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: is what happened while I was talk to Ust about movies. Man,

1415
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: That's why I love talking to The thing I will say, though,

1416
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: is in my mind as a kid, I wanted this

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01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: and I never thought it would happen, even even down

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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: to this part, like I like not like this wasn't

1419
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: like a thing where like I wanted Avengers, and then

1420
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: I wanted them to stop. I was like, no, I

1421
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: want I want them to go as far where we're

1422
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: talking cops and we're talking bullshit, we're talking meta shit

1423
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,759
Speaker 1: like you know, like silver surfers talking to the space

1424
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: time continuum and and it's personified. I wanted that weird

1425
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: shit and I never thought we'd get it, and I

1426
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,640
Speaker 1: wanted them to spend four hundred million on it. You know,

1427
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: I wanted I want because I those are things I

1428
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: just didn't think what happened, And so I continually live

1429
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: in that world where even if I if I got

1430
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: my dream, part of my dream is that I would

1431
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: like to write on what of these franchise things like

1432
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: not even just my own independent idea, which I think

1433
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: people make a false choice of, like it's only those

1434
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: two things, Like I have independent ideas that I like

1435
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: to write. But it also it'd be a dream if

1436
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: they said, hey, we'd like to see what you think

1437
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 1: about some of the Star Wars shit. I got ideas,

1438
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: y'all haven't tried yet, And sometimes it.

1439
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 2: Works until don't sign off for Star Wars. Ride don't don't.

1440
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: Work get me, It won't get me youself, Yeah, yourself, Russ.

1441
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 4: I don't want to tell you this.

1442
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna end the show on this. But I got

1443
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: signed to a trilogy, guys. I got a trilogy of

1444
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: Star Wars movies coming out. It's all about Finn. It's

1445
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: all about Finn coming out two, and it's gonna get made.

1446
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 2: Gods Blade before Blade. I'll tell you what, Russ, I

1447
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 2: really want to I really want to do a martial

1448
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: arts action movie. So I get you on the one

1449
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 2: to do, like the multiple things I would love to

1450
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: IMDb is like Hallmark Christmas at Script Art rated martial

1451
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 2: arts movie. You know, Scott Adkins, you know I'm here.

1452
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: Points take it into it this Tell everybody what write

1453
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 1: your newest movie that's dropping this weekend.

1454
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Santa Class Arizon, Hallmark Channel, December fourteenth, It's

1455
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: at eight pm Eastern. Definitely check it out. Incredible casts,

1456
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 2: some fun surprises in there. I've got some other movies

1457
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: that are going to keep airing on Hallmark this year.

1458
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: Three Wiserman and a Boy. You should definitely check out

1459
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 2: Christmas under the Lights Airson, Hallmark Mystery. That's a bit

1460
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: more of an old school one. If you want to

1461
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: check that out. I'm sure they'll keep it. Rearing Santa Summit,

1462
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: which you know, really opened a lot of doors for

1463
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: me and is one that people really like. I'm very

1464
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 2: very fond of it. And then obviously Hot Frosty on Netflix. Man,

1465
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 2: keep watching it.

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 4: Good job.

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie.

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get a second one. Let's push let's push

1469
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: Froust again. Let's go Hotter Frosty calling it Otter frost.

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01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: Yes, and let's get in and guys, let's see what

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01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 1: we can do is start a lot campaign. We gotta

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: get Russell Hamleer, right, we gotta get them the right blade.

1473
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: All right? Got this happened, Hey, I would.

1474
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: Love that there'd be no bullshit ninety minutes of a vampire.

1475
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: Vampire's getting killed by mercill of. This would be unbelievable

1476
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 2: and it will never happen.

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01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm there day one. Then soon as he gets in

1478
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: the room, myhearts was like, but what is this gonna

1479
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: mean to the African American coaches? All right, y'all, that's it.

1480
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: We gotta go because we gotta take pictures for holiday cars.

1481
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Russ. Make sure y'all check us out.

1482
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow, I guess will be Chris Lambert until then.

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 4: I love you.

1484
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

1485
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: Oh and don't forget Live show tickets are on sale

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,520
Speaker 1: the linkers in the show notes see February twenty eighth,

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01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: uh Bloomingthal Center for Performing Arts, Peace Last