WEBVTT - Clemency Recommended to Death Row Inmate, but Execution Still Scheduled for Next Week! 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.240 Hey, they're folks. It is Wednesday, November fifth, and he 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.360 has been on death row for twenty years. He is 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:15.239 scheduled to die by lethal injection next week, but his 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.640 family doesn't want him to die. The victim's family doesn't 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.680 want him to die, and now the parole board just 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:30.000 a short time ago also said it recommends he not 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:34.080 die as well. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roades. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.840 We follow a lot of these cases as of late. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.320 These death row cases usually not a whole lot of 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.839 hope in a clemency hearing, and we usually know how 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.920 these things are going to go. Got surprised today. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:46.200 That's right. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.560 We listened to this clemency hearing in Oklahoma City today 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:57.120 and it was fascinating. It was powerful, and we weren't 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.600 even sure it was going to go the way it did. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.800 The board would ultimately, in a split decision, recommend clemency, 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:09.760 but it was really remarkable to hear both sides of 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:10.319 this case. 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.839 Well, we always think, right we for the most part, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.119 they don't get clemency this close to an. 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:17.240 Execution almost never. 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:20.920 Governors aren't granting it, Parole boards aren't saying okay, So 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.959 it's very little Hope. So yes, it was shocking to 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.000 sit up and hear it go the way it went. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:29.240 And we're talking about if you don't know the name, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.960 you're going to be hearing it probably for the next week. 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.560 Was now the governor they in Oklahoma as a decision 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.720 to make, but Tremaine would forty six years old Ropes convicted. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.880 It was New Year's Day, two thousand and two, murder 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.920 of a nineteen year old by the name of Ronnie 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.160 wiff and Rose. This was a kind of a night 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.559 of crime, a mini crimes free with him, his brother 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:54.400 and two women. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.720 That's correct, And Tremaine does not deny being a part 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.400 of what led up to death of Ronnie wef. He 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.680 admits that he was there along with his brother and 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.280 as you mentioned, those two women. But he was the 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.040 only one sentenced to death out of that group. His 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.720 brother was sentenced to life without parole. His brother died 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:17.960 in prison a short while ago twenty nineteen. But he 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.919 is the only one who was sentenced to death, despite 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.639 the fact that his own brother has admitted or did admit, 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:30.560 that he's the one he claims to have killed Ronnie West. 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.919 So it's gone back and forth and then we'll get 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.520 into what the two sides are saying about that. But yes, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:38.320 the women lure two guys into a hotel room and 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.560 then these two guys, Tremaine Wood and his brother came 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.840 was supposed to just rob the guys. A violent struggle ensues. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.760 He's armed, Tremaine Wood armed with a knife, his brother, 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:55.040 Jake Wood is armed with a gun. The victim is 0:02:55.160 --> 0:03:00.480 stabbed once and dies. And that is there we are, 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.960 and there was a discrepancy about who actually did the stabbing. 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.680 Now that clemency hearing today was and I appreciate when 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.799 they do this. They had a very convenient and very 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.200 functioning zoom link that everybody could use. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.640 It was wonderful to have that kind of transparency. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.840 And I understand why some folks don't want cameras in 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.600 the courtroom and they don't like a lot of the 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.000 media attention, but certainly in cases like this where a 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:28.160 life is at stake and we're witnessing our government, yes 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:30.440 we're watching it, and it's so rare that you get 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.760 insight into that, especially when you don't live in Oklahoma 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.760 City or you aren't able to go to the courthouse. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:38.760 For them to set that up was really really cool, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.000 and it was a learning experience for me. Even though 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.880 we've covered so many court cases and covered murder trials 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.760 and even witness and execution, I don't believe I've ever actually, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.760 in real time witnessed and listened to a clemency hearing 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.320 take place. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.640 Well, certainly I haven't seen one. I don't believe that 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:02.080 involved a death row case, end one. Certainly a death 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:06.840 case in which we hear from the death row inmate. Yes, folks, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:11.000 Tremaine Woods spoke for himself at one point today in 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.000 this hearing, and the way they set that up. They 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.320 gave both sides robes forty minutes. They said, use it 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.480 how you want to. We want rebuttal time you want 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.920 some a witness to come up, but you get forty 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.600 minutes to do what you want to do and how 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:24.480 you're going to split it up. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.279 We appreciated that too, because because sometimes, as we've seen, 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.360 after having just recently covered the Diddy trial, how things 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.200 can just go on and on and on. This was 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.800 pretty well, it wasn't pretty. It was very orderly and concise. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:39.320 Forty minutes forty minutes. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.880 Two witnesses were there, both for Tremaine Wood, his sixth 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.160 grade teacher will tell you about her comments that had 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.520 tears in our eyes at some points, and then a 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.599 statement read by his seventeen year old niece the victim's family, 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.760 Ronnie Wiff. They did not take part, however, they have 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.640 said they do not want this execution to move forward. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.919 They have been on the record in saying that. So 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.039 Tremaine Woodside went up first and Rome's first things First, 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.880 they say, yep, he was there, he participated, he takes responsibility. 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.200 That's probably a good thing to start with. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.120 Yes, And his attorney went on to talk about the 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:15.600 difference or just the tale between two brothers. They were 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:19.240 both charged in this crime, and they set a boiled 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.599 down to resources. His brother, Jake got a good defense 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.960 team and that fought the execution correctly and certainly was 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.240 able to get him life without parole versus death sentence. Tremaine, 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.440 they say did not. They say his attorney never met 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.359 with him once outside of the courtroom. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:42.919 It's kind of astonishing. It's astonishing a death row inmates. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.560 It's hard to believe. They also said that his attorney, 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:48.279 and this has been documented, they claim was dealing at 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:52.320 the time with substance abuse issues. And that he only 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.719 spent two hours on the case in nineteen months. And 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:58.480 what the attorney says, we know this is true because 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.960 literally there were two two billable hours over a period 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.120 of nineteen months. That's how much time he put into 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.440 defending a death penalty case. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.200 That's kind of remarkable, it's unconscionable, but they say that 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.240 is what happened. They continue to make their case at 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.560 least why clemency is warranted here. They say the jury 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.240 in his trial didn't hear a couple of things, including 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.640 the fact that his brother admitted that he was the 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:34.080 one who actually killed Ronnie with jury never heard that. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.840 They also didn't hear the Tremaine was sexually abused by 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.560 a neighbor when he was nine or ten years old. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.359 They said that had impact on him. Jury never heard that. Also, 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.880 his side alleged that his prosecutorial his conduct. So they 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.360 are there kind of made their case. I get some 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.480 of the board members had questions afterwards, and it was 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.320 interesting to hear what parts they were focusing on. Of course, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.800 his attorney's Tremaine was attorneys throwing everything in the wall, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.640 see what sticks. But some of them were like, I 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.520 don't care about this. I don't going to care about that. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.680 They seemed to focus on did he get a fair 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:11.040 trial or not? Correct, don't care who killed in the room. Yes, 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.440 So was there an issue at his trial in which 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.280 we need to slow down and make sure he gets 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.560 a fair trial. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.440 Yes, And so that was some indication about at least 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.160 how some members were considering to vote. But then we 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:28.760 heard from his teacher, his sixth grade teacher, Cindy Birdwell, 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:34.600 and wow, this was this My heart was breaking as 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.520 I was listening to her talk about this bright, smart, 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:45.640 promising young student who was very loquacious, talkative, always wanted 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.440 to be a part of things, was an excellent student. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.320 And just the fact that she said. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.080 She realized later after the fact that he was a 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.600 little boy in pain and she missed it. She didn't 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.400 see it, and she said she still feels guilty to 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:00.600 this day that she didn't intervene in it different way, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.080 in a better way, had she known what he was 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.160 living through at home. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.720 I just thought the fact that she was sitting there 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:14.840 was remarkable that thirty five years ago she had a 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.600 twelve year old or whatever in her classroom that she's 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.840 now sitting and trying to help save his life on 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.440 death row. That's got to be just you never think 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.440 of something like that. And to hear her say that 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.640 she saw his name in the paper as being on 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.920 death row and she knew she had to reach out 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.920 because she said, Nope, that's not him. So something has happened, 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.120 because whoever this is sitting on death row is not 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.040 that same kid. It was interesting to hear. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.800 And she said that they began writing to one another 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.840 and they developed a relationship back and forth, penpals, so 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.880 to speak. But she just spoke so highly of him 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.120 and wasn't I don't think he did it. She said, 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.760 he wouldn't have done this, He couldn't have done this. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.040 That wasn't who he was. And she spoke about her 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.600 his brother being a very different and a bad influence 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.559 on him. And so she was bolstering up that notion 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:14.520 that it was not her student, it was not Tremaine, 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:15.440 it was Jack. 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.040 You know, even just a little note in her saying 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:24.000 he still to this day won't call me anything other 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:28.320 than missus spur well, yeah, just something about that. There 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:32.000 was some humanity to that little nugget of information. She 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.760 gave his niece seventeen years old. Brooklyn Wood got up 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.240 talked as well, and it was kind of interesting to 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.040 hear her say, look, I know it sounds funny to 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.040 think that somebody on death row could be a role model, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.560 but he is, said he's helped her through some difficulty. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.800 They stay and pretty sounds like he has access to 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.839 a lot of folks he's able to stay in pretty 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.319 good contact with. But it was to have his seventeen 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.000 year old niece up there, who was very steady and 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.200 read her statement was I thought was effective as well. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.720 I did too, And it was sweet to hear her voice, 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.760 her voice there in defense of her uncle. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.360 Okay, so all this stuff we're talking about, and you 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:08.680 hear our tone and it was very sweet, and the 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:14.120 teacher and all this and then complete complete turn when 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.400 the other side gets up and starts describing what kind 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.199 of monster they say this man is in particularly, the 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:24.120 Attorney General got up there first, called these called him 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:28.559 an executioner, said what happened that night was a deliberate 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:33.520 predatory attack. He said, every time he's appelled, a court 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.880 has upheld the findings. Now, I thought those interesting robes. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:43.240 He said, this is the same guy behind bars as 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:45.160 he is out in the world. They were making the 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.960 point of so much misconduct and things he's done in prison. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.679 He said, nothing has changed about this man other than 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:52.600 his setting. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.960 Wow, and his attorney when she was setting up in 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.000 defense of him, she acknowledged ahead of time they knew 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.440 what the process Cuschen was going to bring, that he 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.320 had had some misconduct behind bars, and she did say, yes, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.240 he has had some cell phones, and yes he's he's 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.160 done some things that he shouldn't have. We'll get into 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.400 some of what those things are in a bit, but 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.439 she just made she kind of pre acknowledged what they 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.760 were going to say, and then said, but none of 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.559 those offenses rice the level of someone who should be executed. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.280 Yes and true. And the boardman was like, that's not 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:31.040 the point. Yes, exactly, sow were we're getting that here? 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:37.120 Yes, So we had the assistant ag go through the 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.240 actual night of the crime. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.680 Yeah. Now she was the one who was making the 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:44.120 case here that Look, this is they made two cases, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:45.640 the guy who was on the outside and the guy 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.560 who's on the inside. So she was talking about the 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.400 crime itself, and she went through the steps. Look, this 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.160 was a deliberate act. He asked his friends to go 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.000 buy gloves and ski masks. They use this to go 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.679 rob a pizza joint. They got the money they needed 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.720 and it wasn't necessary, and then he beats the guy, 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:04.400 the owner of the restaurant. And while we're talking about 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:08.439 this stuff ropes, they were showing like slides of everything 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.080 up there, so we got a bunch of imagery up there. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:17.200 So they start going through what happens that night. They 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.400 end up in this hotel room and rose. This was 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:24.160 a pretty big sticking point all night. Everyone who was 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.319 a part of this who saw anything and saw these 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.480 two men, him and his brother. They say tremain Wood 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.559 had the knife robes and his brother had the gun. 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:38.320 There's nowhere anywhere that suggests they ever switched except now 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.960 Tremaine Wood is trying to explain that. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:46.439 Yeah, somehow, they claim because of an injury on the 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.800 brother's hand and whichever hand it was that they used. 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.800 The implication was that somehow, in the middle of this 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.360 scuffle and this robbery that had gone or turned violent unexpectedly, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.040 they decided to switch weapons in the middle of this scuffle, 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.760 and Jack ended up with the knife and Tremaine ended 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:06.360 up with the gun. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:08.480 Yes, that didn't land. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.960 At all, to the point that they said it was 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:16.200 far fetched to say the least. I mean, as they 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.920 were describing and explaining it, how did the not how 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.600 did the weapons get switched? And why would they There 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.840 wasn't a good explanation for that, really, folks, imagine four 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.160 people fighting. We're all in a small hotel room. This 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:33.120 is a motel. This wasn't some sprawling suite in a 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:39.920 small area. You're fighting and you switch weapons. Here, you 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:40.800 take this one, I'll take this. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.680 It's almost comical kind ofness. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.600 But that is the point they were making. And also 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.680 Brogues they had the letter actually up on screen for 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.320 us to see, in which he wrote his brother when 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.440 they were in jail, asking him, are you going to 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.400 tell them that you called me and asked me to 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:58.680 come meet you at the store after the fact. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:00.800 His brother to lie. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:05.240 Yes. The suggestion there is that he was trying to 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.240 set all this up and said, and again a theme 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.480 was about manipulation. This is just what he does, and 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:12.120 he's doing. 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.520 It to you one more time, right, And so then 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:19.200 he talked about they talked about what has been happening 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.600 inside prison, that other setting by Woods and what Tremaine 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.600 has been doing while he's been behind bars, and they 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.520 say what he's been doing is committing more crimes, multiple 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.800 conduct violations in prison. He's been repeatedly caught with cell 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.920 phones with drugs. They actually said he was a drug 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:41.520 distributor and used the phones to carry on drug trades. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.000 And they actually put up pictures of him. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:45.600 They had a bunch. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.120 Throwing up gang signs. 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:49.480 You and I looked at them, pictures of him with 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.200 gang tattoos, and these were all pictures he took of himself. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.120 Correct with the cell phones. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.760 They're showing all this stuff in the middle of this session. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.760 I mean tons, It's not not like he was posing, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.520 is that him? Or no? No, no, no, no, these are selfies. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:07.520 He's a dead yes. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.840 And perhaps some of the most damning evidence was the video. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:17.400 The video is tough. There was a the video they 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.280 played was of a beating that happened at another prison. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.920 But this was a beating that they say and look 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.000 for me would had to admit and because they have 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.480 it electronically, he was asking for this person who had 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.240 hurt family member of his I believe killed the family 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.040 member of his too, won him beaten up and sure enough. 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.200 He essentially ordered this guy to be beaten, and he 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:40.920 wanted it filmed. 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.680 Yeah, he wanted the videos sent back to him. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:44.720 Yes, and sure enough he got it and they played 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.080 it in during the hearing today. So when these things 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.720 went back to back robes, because I was talking to 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.760 you about it when one side was testifying and said, Wow, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:55.320 this is right, this is powerful stuff, and you came 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.000 back a little while later and listening to the other side, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:58.600 I'm like, wow, yeah, he's bad, dud. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:15:59.560 This is not looking good. 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.200 Yeah, but we heard from two sides, but we heard 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:08.080 from the man himself. Tremaine Wood did testify at his 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:14.360 own clemency hearing today from prison in handcuffs, and he 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:18.160 read a prepared statement. We'll tell you what he had 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.920 to stay had to say, and then stay see what 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.600 I was trying to do there. 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.520 That I do so it happens to me all the time, 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.760 it rarely happens to you. I'm glad to see you're human, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.440 say and stay, stay with us. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:31.280 We'll be right. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:43.480 Back, all right, folks. We continue now with Tremaine Wood, 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.920 who got some really good news a short time ago. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.920 Tremaine Wood, who has been on death row in Oklahoma 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.880 for the past twenty years now got word that the 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.880 Parole Board is recommending clemency. He is scheduled to die 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:03.880 by lethal injection next week, but they have recommended in 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:08.399 a split decision that he his life be spared. But 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.359 it's not up to them. Ultimately, all they can do robes, 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.399 and this is the case in most places. All they 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.840 can do is recommend yes. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:21.280 And the governor in this state of Oklahoma recently did 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.720 not go with the recommendation of the clemency board. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.960 Sure, I can't remember the number, but it's double digits 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:31.320 who've been executed since he's been governor, and only one 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.480 has he granted clemency. But yeah, one of the most 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.439 recent the board split decisions said Nope, we do not 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.320 think this person should be executed. The governor did not 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.720 go along with that recommendation, So it is not guaranteed here. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.919 What's going to happen to him? In robes It was 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.080 the moment they gave him twenty minutes. But part of 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:56.680 the hearing today was Tremaine Wood getting to speak for himself. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.360 He was sitting in a it's kind of an empty room, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.760 no really back drops, cement walls. It might have been 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.520 but at a table with his attorney next to him. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.919 But they swarm in and I don't know what I 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.920 was expecting, but sure no, they swarm and he messed 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.119 up his hand and he was handcuffed. Wow for this today, 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.480 whatever procedures, I understand. I don't know why that threw 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.040 like for this, but yeah, sure enough he was handcuffed 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.320 and he started to read a prepared statement, and I 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.399 was saying to heroes, he didn't really change his tone 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.399 or wasn't that passion. He just got through it and 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.000 read it and some stuff you could expect to hear. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.199 Yes, he talked about his great level of humility and 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:37.320 respect for the process. And then this was important. He 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:42.760 put the blame squarely on himself for this death. And 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.840 I think that's really important because up until now, I mean, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.399 even if you claim you didn't or you weren't the 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:55.280 one to actually put the knife through Ronnie WIFF's heart, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.760 at least he's acknowledging his role in the crime. And 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:01.720 if he hadn't been trying to rock him that certainly 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.560 he would likely be alive today. So that was an 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.040 important part of the process that he at least acknowledged 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.520 his role in the death. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:09.320 But then he called. 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:13.040 Prison quicksand he said, sometimes you can lose your way 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:17.200 in here. That's not exactly taking responsibility for his actions 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:17.800 in prison. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:22.040 He vaguely acknowledged mistakes and things he's done in prison, 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.880 but it's kind of a one off and an oops, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.360 is how he described it. The other side had pictures 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.080 and evidence and showing and from recent. 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.399 Right, copious amounts of drugs. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.360 From recent years and from past years. That's been going on. 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.400 For quite a while decades, it sounds like, and. 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.680 So some with that. But the quicksand idea is that, yeah, 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:45.840 this place, the more you try to fight it, the 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.000 more it sucks you in. Was kind of a thing 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.520 he was explaining. And I'm sure he's he's right. I'm 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.000 sure he is, But he closed I thought in a 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.080 strong way. He talked about he had kind of acknowledged 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.120 that I know my family's listening. He was talking about how 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.119 supportive they are and what he means to the family 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:04.600 and how they need him around it. He said to them, 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.320 I ask you to see something in my life worth value. 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.000 Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Maybe this that none 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.480 of that matters, and they're just going by the law. 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:20.600 But I thought that was well said, say that and 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.440 be used in so many factor That's. 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.879 Of life interesting because obviously the clemency ward the parole 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.639 board is looking at the legal aspects of this, But 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:34.000 I wonder how much of the emotional human aspects of 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.959 this come in and how big of a statement or 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.400 how much of an impact a statement like that has. 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:41.800 It probably depends on the individual. And I don't even 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.440 know what the guidance is. Are they allowed to consider 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.920 that or do they just have to consider the law 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:49.840 as they see it. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.520 And the law we should I've meant to say this earlier. 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.440 It's similar to the what's the thing is saying? Always 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.399 forget its South Carolina the hand of one, the hand 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.800 of one is the hand of all that think it's 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:05.080 a similar law, if you will in Missouri. Yes, that 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:11.880 both of them are equally responsible for the crime because 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:16.160 they were both there and the commissioning of a robbery. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:20.680 Somebody died, so both of them are responsible equally, doesn't 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.080 matter who stabbed whom. 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:27.080 I actually, my first murder trial I ever ever reported 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.160 on was in South Carolina, and it was a hand 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.399 of one is the hand of all and this kid 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.040 was not the one who pulled the trigger, but he 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.359 was with the group with someone who did and he 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.320 got capital murder death penalty. 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:43.680