Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Wednesday, November fifth, and he
Speaker 1: has been on death row for twenty years. He is
Speaker 1: scheduled to die by lethal injection next week, but his
Speaker 1: family doesn't want him to die. The victim's family doesn't
Speaker 1: want him to die, and now the parole board just
Speaker 1: a short time ago also said it recommends he not
Speaker 1: die as well. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roades.
Speaker 1: We follow a lot of these cases as of late.
Speaker 1: These death row cases usually not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: hope in a clemency hearing, and we usually know how
Speaker 1: these things are going to go. Got surprised today.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: We listened to this clemency hearing in Oklahoma City today
Speaker 3: and it was fascinating. It was powerful, and we weren't
Speaker 3: even sure it was going to go the way it did.
Speaker 3: The board would ultimately, in a split decision, recommend clemency,
Speaker 3: but it was really remarkable to hear both sides of
Speaker 3: this case.
Speaker 1: Well, we always think, right we for the most part,
Speaker 1: they don't get clemency this close to an.
Speaker 2: Execution almost never.
Speaker 1: Governors aren't granting it, Parole boards aren't saying okay, So
Speaker 1: it's very little Hope. So yes, it was shocking to
Speaker 1: sit up and hear it go the way it went.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about if you don't know the name,
Speaker 1: you're going to be hearing it probably for the next week.
Speaker 1: Was now the governor they in Oklahoma as a decision
Speaker 1: to make, but Tremaine would forty six years old Ropes convicted.
Speaker 1: It was New Year's Day, two thousand and two, murder
Speaker 1: of a nineteen year old by the name of Ronnie
Speaker 1: wiff and Rose. This was a kind of a night
Speaker 1: of crime, a mini crimes free with him, his brother
Speaker 1: and two women.
Speaker 3: That's correct, And Tremaine does not deny being a part
Speaker 3: of what led up to death of Ronnie wef. He
Speaker 3: admits that he was there along with his brother and
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, those two women. But he was the
Speaker 3: only one sentenced to death out of that group. His
Speaker 3: brother was sentenced to life without parole. His brother died
Speaker 3: in prison a short while ago twenty nineteen. But he
Speaker 3: is the only one who was sentenced to death, despite
Speaker 3: the fact that his own brother has admitted or did admit,
Speaker 3: that he's the one he claims to have killed Ronnie West.
Speaker 1: So it's gone back and forth and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into what the two sides are saying about that. But yes,
Speaker 1: the women lure two guys into a hotel room and
Speaker 1: then these two guys, Tremaine Wood and his brother came
Speaker 1: was supposed to just rob the guys. A violent struggle ensues.
Speaker 1: He's armed, Tremaine Wood armed with a knife, his brother,
Speaker 1: Jake Wood is armed with a gun. The victim is
Speaker 1: stabbed once and dies. And that is there we are,
Speaker 1: and there was a discrepancy about who actually did the stabbing.
Speaker 1: Now that clemency hearing today was and I appreciate when
Speaker 1: they do this. They had a very convenient and very
Speaker 1: functioning zoom link that everybody could use.
Speaker 2: It was wonderful to have that kind of transparency.
Speaker 3: And I understand why some folks don't want cameras in
Speaker 3: the courtroom and they don't like a lot of the
Speaker 3: media attention, but certainly in cases like this where a
Speaker 3: life is at stake and we're witnessing our government, yes
Speaker 3: we're watching it, and it's so rare that you get
Speaker 3: insight into that, especially when you don't live in Oklahoma
Speaker 3: City or you aren't able to go to the courthouse.
Speaker 3: For them to set that up was really really cool,
Speaker 3: and it was a learning experience for me. Even though
Speaker 3: we've covered so many court cases and covered murder trials
Speaker 3: and even witness and execution, I don't believe I've ever actually,
Speaker 3: in real time witnessed and listened to a clemency hearing
Speaker 3: take place.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly I haven't seen one. I don't believe that
Speaker 1: involved a death row case, end one. Certainly a death
Speaker 1: case in which we hear from the death row inmate. Yes, folks,
Speaker 1: Tremaine Woods spoke for himself at one point today in
Speaker 1: this hearing, and the way they set that up. They
Speaker 1: gave both sides robes forty minutes. They said, use it
Speaker 1: how you want to. We want rebuttal time you want
Speaker 1: some a witness to come up, but you get forty
Speaker 1: minutes to do what you want to do and how
Speaker 1: you're going to split it up.
Speaker 3: We appreciated that too, because because sometimes, as we've seen,
Speaker 3: after having just recently covered the Diddy trial, how things
Speaker 3: can just go on and on and on. This was
Speaker 3: pretty well, it wasn't pretty. It was very orderly and concise.
Speaker 3: Forty minutes forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Two witnesses were there, both for Tremaine Wood, his sixth
Speaker 1: grade teacher will tell you about her comments that had
Speaker 1: tears in our eyes at some points, and then a
Speaker 1: statement read by his seventeen year old niece the victim's family,
Speaker 1: Ronnie Wiff. They did not take part, however, they have
Speaker 1: said they do not want this execution to move forward.
Speaker 1: They have been on the record in saying that. So
Speaker 1: Tremaine Woodside went up first and Rome's first things First,
Speaker 1: they say, yep, he was there, he participated, he takes responsibility.
Speaker 1: That's probably a good thing to start with.
Speaker 3: Yes, And his attorney went on to talk about the
Speaker 3: difference or just the tale between two brothers. They were
Speaker 3: both charged in this crime, and they set a boiled
Speaker 3: down to resources. His brother, Jake got a good defense
Speaker 3: team and that fought the execution correctly and certainly was
Speaker 3: able to get him life without parole versus death sentence. Tremaine,
Speaker 3: they say did not. They say his attorney never met
Speaker 3: with him once outside of the courtroom.
Speaker 1: It's kind of astonishing. It's astonishing a death row inmates.
Speaker 3: It's hard to believe. They also said that his attorney,
Speaker 3: and this has been documented, they claim was dealing at
Speaker 3: the time with substance abuse issues. And that he only
Speaker 3: spent two hours on the case in nineteen months. And
Speaker 3: what the attorney says, we know this is true because
Speaker 3: literally there were two two billable hours over a period
Speaker 3: of nineteen months. That's how much time he put into
Speaker 3: defending a death penalty case.
Speaker 1: That's kind of remarkable, it's unconscionable, but they say that
Speaker 1: is what happened. They continue to make their case at
Speaker 1: least why clemency is warranted here. They say the jury
Speaker 1: in his trial didn't hear a couple of things, including
Speaker 1: the fact that his brother admitted that he was the
Speaker 1: one who actually killed Ronnie with jury never heard that.
Speaker 1: They also didn't hear the Tremaine was sexually abused by
Speaker 1: a neighbor when he was nine or ten years old.
Speaker 1: They said that had impact on him. Jury never heard that. Also,
Speaker 1: his side alleged that his prosecutorial his conduct. So they
Speaker 1: are there kind of made their case. I get some
Speaker 1: of the board members had questions afterwards, and it was
Speaker 1: interesting to hear what parts they were focusing on. Of course,
Speaker 1: his attorney's Tremaine was attorneys throwing everything in the wall,
Speaker 1: see what sticks. But some of them were like, I
Speaker 1: don't care about this. I don't going to care about that.
Speaker 1: They seemed to focus on did he get a fair
Speaker 1: trial or not? Correct, don't care who killed in the room. Yes,
Speaker 1: So was there an issue at his trial in which
Speaker 1: we need to slow down and make sure he gets
Speaker 1: a fair trial.
Speaker 3: Yes, And so that was some indication about at least
Speaker 3: how some members were considering to vote. But then we
Speaker 3: heard from his teacher, his sixth grade teacher, Cindy Birdwell,
Speaker 3: and wow, this was this My heart was breaking as
Speaker 3: I was listening to her talk about this bright, smart,
Speaker 3: promising young student who was very loquacious, talkative, always wanted
Speaker 3: to be a part of things, was an excellent student.
Speaker 2: And just the fact that she said.
Speaker 3: She realized later after the fact that he was a
Speaker 3: little boy in pain and she missed it. She didn't
Speaker 3: see it, and she said she still feels guilty to
Speaker 3: this day that she didn't intervene in it different way,
Speaker 3: in a better way, had she known what he was
Speaker 3: living through at home.
Speaker 1: I just thought the fact that she was sitting there
Speaker 1: was remarkable that thirty five years ago she had a
Speaker 1: twelve year old or whatever in her classroom that she's
Speaker 1: now sitting and trying to help save his life on
Speaker 1: death row. That's got to be just you never think
Speaker 1: of something like that. And to hear her say that
Speaker 1: she saw his name in the paper as being on
Speaker 1: death row and she knew she had to reach out
Speaker 1: because she said, Nope, that's not him. So something has happened,
Speaker 1: because whoever this is sitting on death row is not
Speaker 1: that same kid. It was interesting to hear.
Speaker 3: And she said that they began writing to one another
Speaker 3: and they developed a relationship back and forth, penpals, so
Speaker 3: to speak. But she just spoke so highly of him
Speaker 3: and wasn't I don't think he did it. She said,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have done this, He couldn't have done this.
Speaker 3: That wasn't who he was. And she spoke about her
Speaker 3: his brother being a very different and a bad influence
Speaker 3: on him. And so she was bolstering up that notion
Speaker 3: that it was not her student, it was not Tremaine,
Speaker 3: it was Jack.
Speaker 1: You know, even just a little note in her saying
Speaker 1: he still to this day won't call me anything other
Speaker 1: than missus spur well, yeah, just something about that. There
Speaker 1: was some humanity to that little nugget of information. She
Speaker 1: gave his niece seventeen years old. Brooklyn Wood got up
Speaker 1: talked as well, and it was kind of interesting to
Speaker 1: hear her say, look, I know it sounds funny to
Speaker 1: think that somebody on death row could be a role model,
Speaker 1: but he is, said he's helped her through some difficulty.
Speaker 1: They stay and pretty sounds like he has access to
Speaker 1: a lot of folks he's able to stay in pretty
Speaker 1: good contact with. But it was to have his seventeen
Speaker 1: year old niece up there, who was very steady and
Speaker 1: read her statement was I thought was effective as well.
Speaker 3: I did too, And it was sweet to hear her voice,
Speaker 3: her voice there in defense of her uncle.
Speaker 1: Okay, so all this stuff we're talking about, and you
Speaker 1: hear our tone and it was very sweet, and the
Speaker 1: teacher and all this and then complete complete turn when
Speaker 1: the other side gets up and starts describing what kind
Speaker 1: of monster they say this man is in particularly, the
Speaker 1: Attorney General got up there first, called these called him
Speaker 1: an executioner, said what happened that night was a deliberate
Speaker 1: predatory attack. He said, every time he's appelled, a court
Speaker 1: has upheld the findings. Now, I thought those interesting robes.
Speaker 1: He said, this is the same guy behind bars as
Speaker 1: he is out in the world. They were making the
Speaker 1: point of so much misconduct and things he's done in prison.
Speaker 1: He said, nothing has changed about this man other than
Speaker 1: his setting.
Speaker 3: Wow, and his attorney when she was setting up in
Speaker 3: defense of him, she acknowledged ahead of time they knew
Speaker 3: what the process Cuschen was going to bring, that he
Speaker 3: had had some misconduct behind bars, and she did say, yes,
Speaker 3: he has had some cell phones, and yes he's he's
Speaker 3: done some things that he shouldn't have. We'll get into
Speaker 3: some of what those things are in a bit, but
Speaker 3: she just made she kind of pre acknowledged what they
Speaker 3: were going to say, and then said, but none of
Speaker 3: those offenses rice the level of someone who should be executed.
Speaker 1: Yes and true. And the boardman was like, that's not
Speaker 1: the point. Yes, exactly, sow were we're getting that here?
Speaker 3: Yes, So we had the assistant ag go through the
Speaker 3: actual night of the crime.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now she was the one who was making the
Speaker 1: case here that Look, this is they made two cases,
Speaker 1: the guy who was on the outside and the guy
Speaker 1: who's on the inside. So she was talking about the
Speaker 1: crime itself, and she went through the steps. Look, this
Speaker 1: was a deliberate act. He asked his friends to go
Speaker 1: buy gloves and ski masks. They use this to go
Speaker 1: rob a pizza joint. They got the money they needed
Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessary, and then he beats the guy,
Speaker 1: the owner of the restaurant. And while we're talking about
Speaker 1: this stuff ropes, they were showing like slides of everything
Speaker 1: up there, so we got a bunch of imagery up there.
Speaker 1: So they start going through what happens that night. They
Speaker 1: end up in this hotel room and rose. This was
Speaker 1: a pretty big sticking point all night. Everyone who was
Speaker 1: a part of this who saw anything and saw these
Speaker 1: two men, him and his brother. They say tremain Wood
Speaker 1: had the knife robes and his brother had the gun.
Speaker 1: There's nowhere anywhere that suggests they ever switched except now
Speaker 1: Tremaine Wood is trying to explain that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow, they claim because of an injury on the
Speaker 3: brother's hand and whichever hand it was that they used.
Speaker 3: The implication was that somehow, in the middle of this
Speaker 3: scuffle and this robbery that had gone or turned violent unexpectedly,
Speaker 3: they decided to switch weapons in the middle of this scuffle,
Speaker 3: and Jack ended up with the knife and Tremaine ended
Speaker 3: up with the gun.
Speaker 2: Yes, that didn't land.
Speaker 1: At all, to the point that they said it was
Speaker 1: far fetched to say the least. I mean, as they
Speaker 1: were describing and explaining it, how did the not how
Speaker 1: did the weapons get switched? And why would they There
Speaker 1: wasn't a good explanation for that, really, folks, imagine four
Speaker 1: people fighting. We're all in a small hotel room. This
Speaker 1: is a motel. This wasn't some sprawling suite in a
Speaker 1: small area. You're fighting and you switch weapons. Here, you
Speaker 1: take this one, I'll take this.
Speaker 2: It's almost comical kind ofness.
Speaker 1: But that is the point they were making. And also
Speaker 1: Brogues they had the letter actually up on screen for
Speaker 1: us to see, in which he wrote his brother when
Speaker 1: they were in jail, asking him, are you going to
Speaker 1: tell them that you called me and asked me to
Speaker 1: come meet you at the store after the fact.
Speaker 2: His brother to lie.
Speaker 1: Yes. The suggestion there is that he was trying to
Speaker 1: set all this up and said, and again a theme
Speaker 1: was about manipulation. This is just what he does, and
Speaker 1: he's doing.
Speaker 3: It to you one more time, right, And so then
Speaker 3: he talked about they talked about what has been happening
Speaker 3: inside prison, that other setting by Woods and what Tremaine
Speaker 3: has been doing while he's been behind bars, and they
Speaker 3: say what he's been doing is committing more crimes, multiple
Speaker 3: conduct violations in prison. He's been repeatedly caught with cell
Speaker 3: phones with drugs. They actually said he was a drug
Speaker 3: distributor and used the phones to carry on drug trades.
Speaker 2: And they actually put up pictures of him.
Speaker 1: They had a bunch.
Speaker 2: Throwing up gang signs.
Speaker 3: You and I looked at them, pictures of him with
Speaker 3: gang tattoos, and these were all pictures he took of himself.
Speaker 2: Correct with the cell phones.
Speaker 1: They're showing all this stuff in the middle of this session.
Speaker 1: I mean tons, It's not not like he was posing,
Speaker 1: is that him? Or no? No, no, no, no, these are selfies.
Speaker 1: He's a dead yes.
Speaker 2: And perhaps some of the most damning evidence was the video.
Speaker 1: The video is tough. There was a the video they
Speaker 1: played was of a beating that happened at another prison.
Speaker 1: But this was a beating that they say and look
Speaker 1: for me would had to admit and because they have
Speaker 1: it electronically, he was asking for this person who had
Speaker 1: hurt family member of his I believe killed the family
Speaker 1: member of his too, won him beaten up and sure enough.
Speaker 1: He essentially ordered this guy to be beaten, and he
Speaker 1: wanted it filmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wanted the videos sent back to him.
Speaker 1: Yes, and sure enough he got it and they played
Speaker 1: it in during the hearing today. So when these things
Speaker 1: went back to back robes, because I was talking to
Speaker 1: you about it when one side was testifying and said, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is right, this is powerful stuff, and you came
Speaker 1: back a little while later and listening to the other side,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, yeah, he's bad, dud.
Speaker 2: This is not looking good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we heard from two sides, but we heard
Speaker 1: from the man himself. Tremaine Wood did testify at his
Speaker 1: own clemency hearing today from prison in handcuffs, and he
Speaker 1: read a prepared statement. We'll tell you what he had
Speaker 1: to stay had to say, and then stay see what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do there.
Speaker 3: That I do so it happens to me all the time,
Speaker 3: it rarely happens to you. I'm glad to see you're human,
Speaker 3: say and stay, stay with us.
Speaker 2: We'll be right.
Speaker 1: Back, all right, folks. We continue now with Tremaine Wood,
Speaker 1: who got some really good news a short time ago.
Speaker 1: Tremaine Wood, who has been on death row in Oklahoma
Speaker 1: for the past twenty years now got word that the
Speaker 1: Parole Board is recommending clemency. He is scheduled to die
Speaker 1: by lethal injection next week, but they have recommended in
Speaker 1: a split decision that he his life be spared. But
Speaker 1: it's not up to them. Ultimately, all they can do robes,
Speaker 1: and this is the case in most places. All they
Speaker 1: can do is recommend yes.
Speaker 3: And the governor in this state of Oklahoma recently did
Speaker 3: not go with the recommendation of the clemency board.
Speaker 1: Sure, I can't remember the number, but it's double digits
Speaker 1: who've been executed since he's been governor, and only one
Speaker 1: has he granted clemency. But yeah, one of the most
Speaker 1: recent the board split decisions said Nope, we do not
Speaker 1: think this person should be executed. The governor did not
Speaker 1: go along with that recommendation, So it is not guaranteed here.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen to him? In robes It was
Speaker 1: the moment they gave him twenty minutes. But part of
Speaker 1: the hearing today was Tremaine Wood getting to speak for himself.
Speaker 1: He was sitting in a it's kind of an empty room,
Speaker 1: no really back drops, cement walls. It might have been
Speaker 1: but at a table with his attorney next to him.
Speaker 1: But they swarm in and I don't know what I
Speaker 1: was expecting, but sure no, they swarm and he messed
Speaker 1: up his hand and he was handcuffed. Wow for this today,
Speaker 1: whatever procedures, I understand. I don't know why that threw
Speaker 1: like for this, but yeah, sure enough he was handcuffed
Speaker 1: and he started to read a prepared statement, and I
Speaker 1: was saying to heroes, he didn't really change his tone
Speaker 1: or wasn't that passion. He just got through it and
Speaker 1: read it and some stuff you could expect to hear.
Speaker 3: Yes, he talked about his great level of humility and
Speaker 3: respect for the process. And then this was important. He
Speaker 3: put the blame squarely on himself for this death. And
Speaker 3: I think that's really important because up until now, I mean,
Speaker 3: even if you claim you didn't or you weren't the
Speaker 3: one to actually put the knife through Ronnie WIFF's heart,
Speaker 3: at least he's acknowledging his role in the crime. And
Speaker 3: if he hadn't been trying to rock him that certainly
Speaker 3: he would likely be alive today. So that was an
Speaker 3: important part of the process that he at least acknowledged
Speaker 3: his role in the death.
Speaker 2: But then he called.
Speaker 3: Prison quicksand he said, sometimes you can lose your way
Speaker 3: in here. That's not exactly taking responsibility for his actions
Speaker 3: in prison.
Speaker 1: He vaguely acknowledged mistakes and things he's done in prison,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of a one off and an oops,
Speaker 1: is how he described it. The other side had pictures
Speaker 1: and evidence and showing and from recent.
Speaker 2: Right, copious amounts of drugs.
Speaker 1: From recent years and from past years. That's been going on.
Speaker 2: For quite a while decades, it sounds like, and.
Speaker 1: So some with that. But the quicksand idea is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: this place, the more you try to fight it, the
Speaker 1: more it sucks you in. Was kind of a thing
Speaker 1: he was explaining. And I'm sure he's he's right. I'm
Speaker 1: sure he is, But he closed I thought in a
Speaker 1: strong way. He talked about he had kind of acknowledged
Speaker 1: that I know my family's listening. He was talking about how
Speaker 1: supportive they are and what he means to the family
Speaker 1: and how they need him around it. He said to them,
Speaker 1: I ask you to see something in my life worth value.
Speaker 1: Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Maybe this that none
Speaker 1: of that matters, and they're just going by the law.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was well said, say that and
Speaker 1: be used in so many factor That's.
Speaker 3: Of life interesting because obviously the clemency ward the parole
Speaker 3: board is looking at the legal aspects of this, But
Speaker 3: I wonder how much of the emotional human aspects of
Speaker 3: this come in and how big of a statement or
Speaker 3: how much of an impact a statement like that has.
Speaker 3: It probably depends on the individual. And I don't even
Speaker 3: know what the guidance is. Are they allowed to consider
Speaker 3: that or do they just have to consider the law
Speaker 3: as they see it.
Speaker 1: And the law we should I've meant to say this earlier.
Speaker 1: It's similar to the what's the thing is saying? Always
Speaker 1: forget its South Carolina the hand of one, the hand
Speaker 1: of one is the hand of all that think it's
Speaker 1: a similar law, if you will in Missouri. Yes, that
Speaker 1: both of them are equally responsible for the crime because
Speaker 1: they were both there and the commissioning of a robbery.
Speaker 1: Somebody died, so both of them are responsible equally, doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who stabbed whom.
Speaker 3: I actually, my first murder trial I ever ever reported
Speaker 3: on was in South Carolina, and it was a hand
Speaker 3: of one is the hand of all and this kid
Speaker 3: was not the one who pulled the trigger, but he
Speaker 3: was with the group with someone who did and he
Speaker 3: got capital murder death penalty.
Speaker 1: So here is the thing. People still have a difficult
Speaker 1: time ropes because what we're dealing with two men responsible
Speaker 1: for the exact same crime, on trial for the exact
Speaker 1: same crime, convicted of the exact same.
Speaker 2: Crime, first degree murder.
Speaker 1: One of them says they did it, the other one
Speaker 1: said they did not do it. But the one who
Speaker 1: says he did not do it is the only one
Speaker 1: on death row that was ever given a death penalty.
Speaker 1: So that, for a lot of people doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: at all at all. And the bottom line is the
Speaker 1: law is being applied the way the law is. It
Speaker 1: doesn't just two juries saw it differently.
Speaker 2: Wow, and two brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So uh, he's got this Next Thursday, rights.
Speaker 3: Next Thursday is his scheduled execution in Oklahoma, And I'm
Speaker 3: not sure when, or I guess the governor has until
Speaker 3: the last moment to decide whether or not he wants
Speaker 3: to grant clemency.
Speaker 1: You can.
Speaker 3: That's why eleventh, there is a phone. At least the
Speaker 3: one eyewitness there literally was a phone right next to
Speaker 3: the gurney. Where it was taking place, and we said
Speaker 3: split decision. It was fairly dramatic how it went down.
Speaker 3: And the Clemency board, they the brobol they voted immediately.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm always fascinated by that. They don't want
Speaker 1: to take a beat. They don't even take an hour,
Speaker 1: half hour. They get these decisions pretty quickly. But the
Speaker 1: way they were the board, I think it was five men,
Speaker 1: might have been one woman, but I think it was
Speaker 1: five men. But you see them sitting at this long
Speaker 1: table as with the shots showed. But when it was
Speaker 1: time to vote, they did this roll call and the
Speaker 1: first person on the end yes, next person no, next
Speaker 1: person yes, next person no.
Speaker 3: And you know he needs three yeses in order for
Speaker 3: him to be granted clembing.
Speaker 1: So it's the last one. It was going to be
Speaker 1: the decider, and sure enough it was a yes. It
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a reaction in the room emotionally,
Speaker 1: but they told them to be quiet, but that was
Speaker 1: it and those guys were out of there and that
Speaker 1: was the end of it.
Speaker 2: So wow, wow is right.
Speaker 3: It's it's going to be remarkable to see what the
Speaker 3: governor decides and what ultimately happens to Tremaine would. He
Speaker 3: obviously is not looking to get out, not trying to
Speaker 3: get out of being punished or incarcerated. He just doesn't
Speaker 3: want to die next week and we will keep you
Speaker 3: updated on this developing story, but thank you for listening.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. Hope
Speaker 2: you all have a great day.