WEBVTT - Chris Long 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.120 But I can remember being at halftime, being down twenty 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:06.240 eight three to that team and thinking I made the 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:07.800 wrong choice. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.639 Like every other turn in my life, I screwed it up. 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:20.279 You know. Hi. My name is Chris Long, and I 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.800 have a football podcast. I used to play football for 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:23.200 a living. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.920 Happy New Year. Everybody New Year knew me? 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:35.960 No, not really. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:39.120 It's still off the beat and I'm still your same 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:45.159 old boring host Ryan Bomgartner. My guest today, Well is 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:52.400 true NFL royalty Chris Long. He is, of course, former 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.680 professional defensive end with eleven years in the NFL on 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.360 the Rams, the Patriots, and the Eagles. He has two 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.480 Super Bowl rings and the prestigious Man of the Year 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.600 Award to show for it. But when I say royalty, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.959 I mean football. Well it runs in his blood. He 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:17.280 comes from a long line of NFL greats Long get 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.480 it nailed it. His dad, Howie Long, also has a 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.960 super Bowl ring with the former La Raiders. His brother 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:30.800 Kyle Long, Chicago Bear longtime offensive lineman, and his other brother, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.560 Howie Long Junior, works for the current Raiders organization in 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:40.320 Las Vegas. The NFL is full of Longs. Well, guess 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.119 what Chris He's the first and only Long to ever 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.400 be on this podcast, so that is very special for him. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:48.960 I know. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.480 He also hosts his own podcast, green Light, where he 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.440 talks about sports and culture and all kinds of fun 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.720 stuff with really great guests. Not me yet. But in addition, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.440 he's currently a host on the long running Inside the NFL. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.120 But first, he's going to be my really fun guest 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:14.240 on my podcast. I know he is honored here. He 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.720 is the hard hitting and very funny Chris Long. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:27.359 Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and Squeak. I know, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.800 Bubble and Squeak. I cook it every mole over from 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.040 the ninety before. 0:02:44.480 --> 0:02:46.560 What's up, Chris Brian? How you doing? 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.160 I'm great? How are you? 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.480 I'm great. It's good to meet you. I'm a big fan. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.960 I've enjoyed watching Talk Football too. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.400 So oh really do I hold up? Okay? 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.399 Yeah, dude, you know what you're talking about. You're in 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.200 your team, and I know you know Rich a little bit. 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:04.280 So yeah. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:06.440 I go on his show every Monday. It's been He's 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.000 treated me really well in this space. 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.040 So great guy, You've made it work for you, that's 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.840 for sure. Yeah. I think he's a great guy Dan 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.680 Patrick as well, and he's awesome, you know. I'll tell 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.760 you this. They've had me on to host some on 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:27.600 the the Good Morning Football there on the NFL network. Yeah, 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.200 and I'm serious. If it wasn't for that lifestyle change, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.760 Like I love where I live now here in southern California, 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.600 If it wasn't for the New York and the like 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.560 four thirty am wake up calls on the East Coast time, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.200 I would love to do. I have so much fun 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.120 doing that. Yeah, I don't know if I know what 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.280 I'm talking about, but I have a great time. Yeah. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:51.560 But you know, I don't know if I know what 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.680 I'm talking about week to week, and I'm watching a 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.520 million games, so it's like the great equalizer you're watching football. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.960 It's hard to figure out. And I'm with you, dude. 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.360 That's the reason I do my operation out of my 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.200 hometown so I don't have to be on one of 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.480 these shows that my alarm clock goes off at five 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:08.000 in the morning. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.840 Not for me. Yeah, Like I couldn't live in New York. 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:11.400 It'd be hard. 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.360 It's where So where are you I'm in I'm in Virginia. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.359 I'm right outside Charlottesville. I don't know if you've ever 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.640 been to UVA. I have, Yeah, it's it's I've grew 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:21.920 up here mostly so. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.880 Well, I know that we're going to talk about that, 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:28.520 but I will tell you I'm just slightly older than you. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.640 My best friend from high school went to uh UVA 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.200 and I saw Dave Matthews there. 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.320 Did you really? Yeah? 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.560 Yeah, well he's still I saw Dave Matthews two weeks 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.560 ago running through the friggin' park like he just like, 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.560 he's like actually one of my producers. His sister works 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.479 with Red Light, their management company. Okay, and you know 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:52.560 he's like, he's still around. He kind of does regular 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.160 guys shit, which I love, and they show their shows. 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.280 Their live shows are great. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:01.039 Yeah, he's he's awesome. Well, look, I want to talk 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:06.279 about your new found job and success, but I do 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.440 want to start back a little bit to your beginning 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:15.400 there where you still are Charlottesville, Virginia. Now, when you 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.640 were growing up, your dad spoiler alert, that's how we 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:21.560 long was playing in the NFL for the Raiders. Were 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.839 you traveling a lot with him or not so much so? 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.719 Really, we moved to Virginia as soon as he retired, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.240 and I spent the first seven almost eight years of 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.520 my life living in southern California. I lived, we lived 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.200 in Redondo, and then we moved up in the world 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.880 as dad got bigger paychecks and we moved to PV 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.960 and we moved out of that haunted house in Redondo 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:45.480 legit haunted house. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:47.480 Haunted house. Yeah, it was crazy. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.400 I had like an imaginary friend that my mom claims 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.080 is actually a ghost. Name of the ghost was Nicy. 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.440 So Dad couldn't wait to get out of that house. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.760 We had the paycheck got bigger, we moved to PV 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.599 and then he retired and we moved across the country. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.200 Because my dad's from South Boston, Like you've seen the town, 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.920 and that's kind of like what he grew up in Charlestown. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.159 So he didn't have like a super easy upbringing. He 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.120 didn't have a place to like just go back to. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.000 So we looked at a couple places, and I guess 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.240 he played golf in Virginia and kind of fell in 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.479 love with it, and yeah, that's where we moved. So, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.640 but when he was in Oakland, because he was like 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.880 the last Oakland Raider right in that first installment of 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.240 the Raiders in Oakland. You know, like it was interesting 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.800 growing up going to those games because you had to 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.240 be careful taking your little kid to a Raiders game, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.200 even if he had like Raiders' clothes on, it was 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:39.279 just is a rough scene. And so, you know, just 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.400 growing up in that was really cool. But also getting 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.520 to meet some of the people that my dad played with. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.159 Like my parents never made it like a big deal. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.359 My dad just kind of tried to make it seem like, hey, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.719 I'm normal, I have this job. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.480 Here are my co workers. Yeah, they're my co workers. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.760 Bo Jackson is in the kitchen. It's just Bo Jackson. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.359 And like he never really overemphasized it. 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.599 So I had a lot of cool experiences while my 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:05.880 dad played that. Not only it was cool as a kid, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.440 but it shaped the way I thought about having kids 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.680 during my career and when I wanted to do that, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.920 you know, seeing him come home beat up, stressed. And 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.840 now I'm sitting there in my eighth year in the league, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.880 and I'm saying I'm glad I waited, because it is hard. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.840 We waited to have our first first son, Whale, until 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.760 I was like thirty one years old, right, And I 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.800 think part of that would shape that as being a 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.240 kid whose dad plays in the NFL. It's great, but 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.320 he'd be the first to tell you, man, hey, sorry, 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.400 it was it was hard. It was hard to do 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.000 both jobs, be a dad and be present as a dad, 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.880 and when I get home kind of put work on 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.000 the back burner. So yeah, I spent eight years as 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.040 an NFL kid, and then we moved to Virginia. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:52.559 Well, I mean I have to ask the obvious question, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.120 did you ever try to introduce Nicey to bo Jackson? 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:00.560 I mean, did you ever did you try? Did you 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:04.960 try to, you know, introduce nicy around or No? I 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:07.560 just want a private thing. This is a private thing. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:08.160 It was made. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.800 It's spent a lot of time in the house with me, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.840 my mom, you know, Mama's boy that my mom was 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.440 practicing corporate law until the third kid came along. And 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:18.320 you know, back in the day, it was me mom 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.360 and dad was at work twelve hours a day plus. 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.000 And you know, I think I think I needed a friend, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.040 and I found one in this house. Now I know 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.760 where the house is, I kind of feel like going 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:27.720 back with one of these. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.200 I want to ghost you, I know. 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.040 I want to go with you and find. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.600 Out she swears it was a ghost. Dude. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.080 She was like, it wasn't an imaginary friend. Man, I 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.240 was pointing to people in the room. It's bad. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.760 Do you think it was a ghost? 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.439 Yeah? Absolutely, I believed in that stuff. Do you believe 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.000 in that stuff? 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.840 I don't know. I suppose so why not? I don't know. Yeah, 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.840 A lot of people certainly believe it, so they're likely 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.280 not wrong. I mean, look, no one who has seen 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:00.640 it doesn't believe it exactly, imactly exactly. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:02.840 And that's the thing. You need a friend that you 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.720 trust to see it to believe it, you know, Like 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.440 I'll hear some celebrity that's like I got pinned down 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:11.160 in my bed. I'm like, yeah, well, do you have 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.280 book tour coming up or what's going on? Like, if 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.000 it's a friend, I'm more apt to believe that friend. 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.959 And I think my parents to be honest, we moved 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.560 to Virginia. We moved to this house. It was from 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:23.400 the eighteen sixties. You know, there's a lot of these 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.160 old brick houses that one's haunted too. Man, I don't 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.439 know what it is. I don't think my dad has 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.480 the antenna for this, but I do so. 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:34.400 Here's the thing. I'm gonna say so, and I'm not 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.959 going to mention any show names because I don't want 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.360 to get in trouble. God am I going to get 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.880 in trouble? I needed the nicy story. So I got asked, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.439 I have never told this, this is probably not good 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.840 tell it. I was asked to be one on one 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.959 of those shows, like a haunted experience show. That's all 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.920 I'll say. And I was like, has anything weird ever happened? 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.520 So I told a story that it wasn't. There was 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:08.400 no definitiveness for me, like, am I sure what this 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:12.480 was or whatever? I told this story. It's long and boring, apparently, 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.199 and I was told by the producers, you know, can 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.640 we make it a little more, a little more. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.560 Ghost Can we make a little bit Can there be 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:24.240 a ghost pussy? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.400 Yeah? Can we make a little more Yeah, a little 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.040 more ghosty or a little more hauntedy. And I'm like, 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.280 you know what, just like I'm out. I wasn't sure 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 I wanted to do this to begin with, but I'm 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:35.720 I can't. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.040 I know, I feel like you're exposing an entire industry. 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.280 Well that's why I'm vacation here. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:46.280 I know, That's that's why I'm dreading very lightly because 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:48.400 I don't want to get in trouble or get on 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:52.560 someone's naughty list this time of year. But that did happen. 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.679 Well, Honestly, we're talking about doing some content around here 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.000 where I take like some of my old teammates places 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:00.480 and we do some crazy stuff. And you know, like 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.600 one of the ideas we were kicking around was like 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.319 spending a night in various of the most haunted places 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.760 in the United States and seeing if these big tough 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.400 guys we turn the lights off at night, who's gonna 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.520 leave the house first. So if we if we do 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.400 one of those, you know, this is a no frills, 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:19.800 no bs ghost show. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.679 We'll have you on you if you ever want to 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:22.040 take me. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.080 All right, I'm in. I will say this the New 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:31.240 Orleans thing. You can feel it, you can yeah. And 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.600 you hear the stories and you're like, whether they were embellished, 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.600 whether they're embellished or not, whether there was a producer 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.559 many many years ago that told them to beef it 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.360 up a little bit. But when you you're like, well, 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.280 if twenty five percent of this is true, like there 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:49.920 are things walking. 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.199 If ten percent is true, all it takes is one 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.320 ghost for me to believe. So if it's one percent, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:55.560 I thick I've got there. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.400 I wonder about that now too, you know with kids, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.400 like you know, at what point you know, you're young 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:07.160 at this point, but like you're talking about like, oh, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.040 there's Bo Jackson in the kitchen and it's like, let's 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.120 go visit dad on set and there's Robin Williams or whatever, 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:18.840 and you're like, yeah, you know how that shapes a person, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.240 shapes you for you and you know, we'll talk about 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:26.400 your career. But like, is it early on that you're like, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.360 I'm going to do what dad does. 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.240 It's it's an interesting question because I think it does 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.360 shape who you are. I think in a lot of ways, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.000 especially if you go into this vocation like I have, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.839 because immediately, whether you know it or not, you're being 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.319 served humble pie. I mean, yeah, your dad, My dad's 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.000 got a gold jacket. You know, Like I go to league. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:47.800 You know, I have a really good career, one that 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:51.600 I'm proud of. But you're never gonna you know, the 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.120 chances of you doing that are pretty low. So in 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.880 my house, you know, I come home for Christmas break 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.120 or for you know, whatever it is, and come back 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.320 to my hometown. I'm at the dinner table with Hall 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.560 of Famer, you know, Pro Bowl guard Kyle, my brother 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.320 for the Bears. You probably watched him play once or twice. Yeah, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.760 we're on the right side of those games. And then 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.920 it's me and you know, like the point is, we 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.720 all had good runs in our own right. But I 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.920 never walk around like my shit doesn't stink, because I 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.400 have evidence everywhere that it doesn't. And you know, like 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.120 from a very early age, like it's just reinforced how 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.920 normal it is. So the NFL was thrilling to me. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.160 I wasn't motivated by the experience. I was motivated by 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.440 trying to succeed at something like the lifestyle. You know, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.720 some of the highs they never got to me, maybe 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.439 like they could for somebody else. And I think it 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.520 keeps you humble, but it also keeps you from enjoying 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.400 some of the big moments at times because you're like, 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:50.280 you know, a lot of the guys I play with, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.120 you go back to your hometown, you're like the one 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.720 of one of one, right, and everything you do in 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.720 your career is framed in the context of your dad's 0:13:58.720 --> 0:13:59.280 a Hall of Famer. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.400 Are you going to live up to that? Are you 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.080 going to be that? Are you gonna you know? 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.240 And then being drafted high it's the same thing. And 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.160 so I think it's always been a challenge. But for 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.760 some kid that grew up with no resources and didn't 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.360 get looks coming out or whatever, like, I'm sure he's not. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:18.680 I'm sure although they could empathize with my plight, they 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.920 have their own plight which is way different. And so 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.880 I think no matter how you get to the NFL, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.680 it's kind of a miracle. I mean, there's so many 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.280 kids with that dream. It was never a dream for 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.520 me early on because I was just into other stuff 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.160 and my parents didn't steer me that way. And I 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.760 think my dad did a really good job of you know, hey, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.200 you can be whatever you want to be. But his 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.880 whole thing was like, you better bust your ass. So 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.840 if you're going to be an engineer, like I better 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.200 see you building some bridges, buddy, and like, you know, 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.280 like whatever it is. And so I think it shaped 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.840 me for the better. It also took some of the 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.360 enjoyment maybe out of my career. Being honest, I loved 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.080 every minute of it. But in a twisted kind of way, 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.200 like I love the challenge, you know, I like to 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.320 know what I'm made of, and and I got more 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.640 out of that in the NFL than I did probably 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.120 just be like, man, I'm living the dream because I've 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:08.960 seen what that's like. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.680 I grew up in it, and it's more normalized for me. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:18.120 Well, it's interesting. You know you have three brothers and Kyles, yeah, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.160 two brothers or two brothers, three of yeah, yeah, three total. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.680 And you know Kyle playing on the offensive line guard 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.040 for so long, you are playing essentially the same position 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.120 that your dad played, who's a Hall of Famer. But 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.480 there's something else interesting about your dad, which I mean, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.960 maybe this is obvious, Maybe this is so dumb, maybe 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:46.200 it's obvious. Well, it doesn't take anything away from his 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.640 playing career. So let me be very clear. I don't 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:49.960 want to piss off any lungs. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.320 But no, he's not the one that's gonna get pissed out. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.040 He's pretty secure, and I mean, you get that mustard 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.080 jacket your no. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.360 But what I'm saying is is that he now is 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:10.040 elevated because he's also still every Sunday on television. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:14.320 And because he looks like he's thirty one, Well what's 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.080 going on with that? 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.480 But you see him, you see him every week, and 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.360 you're like, yeah, he could still play. Yeah, it's weird 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.240 in that. I mean, he's an amazing player, he's got 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.520 the mustard coat, Hall of Famer. But also he's just 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.160 still in our consciousness. And it's like, even though you know, 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.920 I was very young when he was playing and I 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:41.000 don't have specific memories of his dominance, I also grew 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:45.360 up with him. Yes, and even kids who are twelve 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.400 today or whatever, like they still is aware of him 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:53.280 and his you know, the shadow which you're having to 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.200 live in, you know, to this day. 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.640 It's funny, funny story, like the order I got in 0:16:57.640 --> 0:16:58.040 the league. 0:16:58.040 --> 0:16:59.520 When I got in, it's like, yeah, you're how He 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.080 Longs And when you know, when I played high school football, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.120 is how He long Son. If I had an accolade 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.800 that I accomplished, it was, Hey, it's because you're how 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.240 He long Son, or you had a scholarship, It's because 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.760 you're how He long Son or whatever it is. When 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.440 I got in the league, I could feel that pressure 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:16.840 and it followed me intrinsically, like that's just who I 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.160 am I feel pressure. I tried to convert it into output. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:23.600 You know, that's just the way I operate. It's not 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.480 the healthiest way to operate, you know. I said to 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.800 my dad last week because we were in the hallway. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.159 First he congratulated me because he saw my podcast was 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.399 the number one podcast in the country. It's not true. 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.359 He just saw somebody Spotify rapped, so he didn't really 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.280 understand the Spotify rap thing, and he was like, yeah, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.480 you beat out Joe Rogan, good job, like and I'm like, nah, Dad, 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:49.399 you know, but the whole thing is, you know, I've realized, 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.600 and part of it is just being his son. And 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.960 you know, nothing you ever accomplished is good enough for 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.120 other people, so eventually it's not good enough for you. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.480 I kind of came to gross with the fact that 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.840 I'm I'm not a miserable but I'll never be satisfied 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.639 that and I think that's been a tool that's helped me. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.680 It hasn't helped my quality of life, but it's helped 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.919 me and the guys in here laughing because they're my 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:13.119 producers and they know I'm never satisfied and that's a 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:14.960 gift and a curse and you get it from that 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.160 that situation. But my dad did such a good job 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.960 transitioning into the next act. And for a guy from 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.399 South Boston who had, you know, an accent, grew up 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.240 in a messed up situation, really brilliant cat, but not 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.960 like as he went to Oxford to sit in that 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.480 chair for now twenty five years and maybe it's longer 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.679 that group for him to be the constant through Ronnie 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.160 Lott and you know like James Brown and a bunch 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.520 of guy Chris Collinsworth. You see where he's he's been 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.720 and Dad's just been steady and that's the kind of 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.720 guy he is. That's why I respect him so much 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.880 because you know what you're gonna get. He is who 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.000 he is and he's not going to be trying to 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.080 try to be something he's not. And I think in 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.760 football he he helped me a lot because he's the 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.000 same way as me. I'm thinking about the Super Bowl 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:05.800 I played in a couple of years ago that we 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.760 won with the Eagles, and instead of it being one 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.359 hundred percent joy in my head, there's a big twenty 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.800 five percent of me that wanted to get the ball 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:15.520 off Tom Brady. You know that and I can't get 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.920 over that twenty five percent and it's a real thing. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:18.560 Wow. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.320 And you know, that's the way my dad was. 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.479 He's looking over his shoulder at somebody trying to take 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.120 his job or you know, he was that poor kid 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.080 from South Boston and I didn't. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.280 Grow up that way. But he passed. 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:28.680 He passed that. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.840 He passed that paranoi on to me and I'm the 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.359 oldest son and that sort of thing. So he's helped 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:36.480 me a lot after football too, because he's stuck the 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.200 landing on that thing, which is hard. And I think 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.120 retirement's hard for athletes in general. I mean we've seen 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:45.480 evidence of that at every turn. But for him to 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.359 make that transition and get in on it before the 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.560 space was too crowded, and he's a fixture, and as 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.639 these guys age, I mean, at some point there'll be 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.200 other guys at that desk and same thing with CBS 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:59.840 or whatever. But when I watch him the rare times 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:01.960 I turn on the TV on Sunday to watch the 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.800 pregame show because Kyle's on TV too. I don't want 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.359 to pick a favorite like Dad does not. He doesn't 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:12.159