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Speaker 2: Like every other turn in my life, I screwed it up.

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Speaker 3: Happy New Year. Everybody New Year knew me?

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Speaker 3: It's still off the beat and I'm still your same

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Speaker 3: true NFL royalty Chris Long. He is, of course, former

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Speaker 3: He also hosts his own podcast, green Light, where he

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Speaker 4: Bubble and Squeak. I love it Bubble and Squeak. I know,

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Speaker 2: What's up, Chris Brian? How you doing?

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Speaker 1: If ten percent is true, all it takes is one

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Speaker 3: I wonder about that now too, you know with kids,

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Speaker 2: Are you going to live up to that? Are you

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Speaker 1: He's pretty secure, and I mean, you get that mustard

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Speaker 3: But you see him, you see him every week, and

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Speaker 2: It's funny, funny story, like the order I got in

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Speaker 1: Blake fashion, he's like, well, when you have good players,

434
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, He's just not the type you know, when

435
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: you think about like the prototypical, you know, the dramatized

436
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 1: version of a high school coaches. He's the legend in

437
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: his own mind. It's like Bud Kilmer from Varsity Blues.

438
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: But this guy is totally different, soft spoken, somebody that

439
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: for me, and it's not just John Blake, it's also

440
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 1: Al grow at Virginia and for a young person, even

441
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: with a lot of positive male role models in my

442
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 1: life like my dad or his friends or you know,

443
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: some other folks, these coaches are so important. And John,

444
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: for me, he used to read us a poem called

445
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: Man in the Glass and I can almost recite the

446
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: whole thing. I mean I can, and I used to.

447
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever heard it, but it's

448
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: about looking in the mirror and satisfying that person in

449
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: the mirror. And of course I've still haven't found a

450
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: way to do that, but if you get pretty close,

451
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 1: you'll be okay. And if a high school coach leaves

452
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: you with one thing that you take with you throughout

453
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: your life, I think that person did their job. And

454
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: I just have the utmost respect for that vocation and teachers, right,

455
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, because young men especially, we need the extra help.

456
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: And I was one of those guys that I wasn't

457
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: a great student. I knew I was smart, I guess,

458
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 1: but you know, I struggled to make the grade. I

459
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: struggled to stay focused. I've had ADHD my whole life.

460
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: I've talked about it on my podcast recently, finally doing

461
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 1: something about it, taking some medication for that. But like

462
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: that was really hard for me growing up, and so

463
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: for a person like John who just was like the

464
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: ADHD whisper. And I always say in D line rooms

465
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: in the NFL, it's like a daycare center. The biggest,

466
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: baddest dudes. But we're all children, you know, It's just

467
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: it's a zoo in there. You have to have a

468
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: certain kind of teacher that can manage young men.

469
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: And you know, John.

470
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: Was amazing and I'm still friends with him and Mary

471
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: and his kids, and it's pretty awesome. I mean, having

472
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: guys like that in your corner.

473
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 3: Well, he was obviously doing a lot right. This, of course,

474
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: was at Saint Anne's Bellfield School there in Charlottesville, two

475
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: thousand and three. Your senior year squad goes undefeated, you

476
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 3: play your last high school game in the state championship,

477
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: you win the state championship. You walk off the field.

478
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: No better feeling as a young athlete than that, Yeah,

479
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 3: no better feeling.

480
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: And Brian like I I've always been somebody that tries

481
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: to overappreciate the moment because I just see it kind

482
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 1: of slipping. I just do it like I'm times precious

483
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: and being where you are is precious, and no matter

484
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: how much you try to slow it down, it's not stopping.

485
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's where you just stop and smell

486
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: the roses. But I remember sitting on the stairs and being.

487
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 2: Like, this is really it.

488
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: I can remember a couple of those those things throughout

489
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: my football career where you're like, I cannot believe whether

490
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: it's walking out of the Superdome a couple of years ago,

491
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: and I hadn't decided that I was going to retire yet,

492
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: but I had a feeling when I took my helmet off,

493
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: this could be the last time I put on a helmet.

494
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: I haven't had a football.

495
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: Helmet on, something I did every day my whole life

496
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: since I was fourteen, like most kids.

497
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: But then I get to play.

498
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: To thirty three, thirty four years old, right, like that's

499
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: your life, and you know, every chapter, as the page turns,

500
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: you got to stop and think, you know, and I

501
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: think for me, all I remember was the bittersweet feeling of, man,

502
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: this was like stuck the landing on this thing, and

503
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm committed to Virginia. I get to go down the

504
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: street to school and all this stuff, and man, what

505
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: a cool run it was. But there was a guy

506
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: with Shaan Jennings. He played ten years in the league.

507
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: He was a two hundred fifty pound running back. I

508
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: swear he's like a AJ Dillon kind of guy. You know,

509
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: he was playing running back in high school and he

510
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: hit me harder than I've been hit my entire career.

511
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 1: On the sideline there in the state championship game, the

512
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: first time I ever stayed down in my entire career.

513
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: I stayed down probably ten to fifteen seconds. And again

514
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm walking out of the stadium and we're state champions

515
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: and all I can think about was getting knocked on

516
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: my ass in front of two hundred people or every

517
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: may were at the game right right, so you know

518
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 1: at every turn, whether it was like Saint Louis the

519
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: last game that was weird, man, you know, like we

520
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: were kind of I'm sure we'll get to it, but

521
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: we were kind of we were moving, we were moving.

522
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: I knew I was getting cut and playing on like

523
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: a broken leg, like trying to come back. Look terrible.

524
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: We're playing the Bucks. It's a color rush game, so

525
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: it looks like Ketchup and mustard. It's disgusting. It's the

526
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: last game at the ever Jones Thome.

527
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: You know.

528
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: Now they're doing Monster Truck rallies there, and I just

529
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: remember thinking like this is it, you know, And sometimes

530
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: it's ceremonious, like your high school state championship, and sometimes

531
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: it's like unceremoniy in a big way, and you don't

532
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: know how to feel about it. And I just think

533
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: as a football player, you have a bunch of those

534
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: moments and you just try to soak in the moment,

535
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: be present.

536
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: Why did you go to Charlottesville? I mean, look, you

537
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: end up playing in the US Army All American bull

538
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 3: out of high school. You're you know, kicking ass, your

539
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: team is great. You likely, whether you'd say it or not,

540
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: you could have gone anywhere you wanted to go. Not

541
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 3: only do you decide to go to Virginia and be

542
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: called a wahoo, which is still.

543
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can try to.

544
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: Explain, but yeah, it's fine.

545
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: Supposedly a fish that can drink its weight and water

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: some multiple like three three tons waiting water or something.

547
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: We took a lot of pride in being huge drunks.

548
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I guess, so I don't know.

549
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 3: So not only do you go there, but you decide

550
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: your junior year was it just a hometown thing?

551
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is cathartic because it kind of feels like

552
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: there's a theme here. But it was because of my

553
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: lack of confidence. I just thought I took my first offer.

554
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: I went down to Virginia and al grow had a

555
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: big Super Bowl trophy on his desk from when I

556
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: was with the Giants. And you know, this is this

557
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: guy that my dad speaks highly of, and my high

558
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: school coach speaks highly of. He's a pro coach. And

559
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I wanted at that point. I

560
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to play pro ball. I

561
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: just wanted to do the thing. I wanted to do,

562
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: the thing in front of me, Like I just I

563
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: wanted to do the best I could at whatever I

564
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: was doing. I wanted to play baseball for a while,

565
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: but I couldn't hit the curveball, so that's.

566
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: Going to be a problem. And uh, I think that.

567
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: I think the weights ended up being a problem there,

568
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: and so I ended up I ended up just committing

569
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: to Virginia.

570
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: It was the first offer I got.

571
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: I remember watching Florida State play at night and thinking like, oh,

572
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: that'd be cool. This is back when they had so

573
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: many great players and they do again now. But I thought, honestly,

574
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could play there. And when

575
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: you have a dad who's so honest with you, I'll

576
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: never forget this story and he and he always says,

577
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: I never said that, or you're misrepresenting it. So sorry, dad.

578
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: But when I was a junior, I got a letter

579
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: from like all these schools, and I got a couple

580
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: IVY League letters, and he was like, hey, now we're talking.

581
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know that you're athletic enough to

582
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: play and at the D one A level, like I

583
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: think you could be a killer guard. And that strategy

584
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: eventually worked on my brother. But I just, uh, I

585
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: think I think the humility of the whole thing and

586
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: the doubters and people, you know, I listened to it

587
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: when I was younger. I was like, all right, well,

588
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to take this chance and go far

589
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: away from home to some program where I might not

590
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 1: be good good enough, and and I think al and laundry,

591
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: home cook meals, like the security of it.

592
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm a safe back guy.

593
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, in case you see Nicey again.

594
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, nice he's in Cali. That's why I

595
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: didn't go to USC.

596
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: Well, no, rules the case mom's there, she'll she'll help

597
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: you out. Yeah. I saw an interview with you when

598
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: you're in college. You mentioned going up against not just

599
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: a man, the man the brickshaw Ferguson there in practice

600
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: he make you better.

601
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but sometimes you go against somebody that good, you

602
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: can't work your stuff like you got to just you

603
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: got to survive, right, Like his arms were so long

604
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: you reach out and touch me from five feet away,

605
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: and you know, we ran like a three four, which means,

606
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an inside shade of the tackle, as

607
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, and in a four eye and I'm trying

608
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: to get a pass rush from that position. It was

609
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: just like having a dance partner for six seconds of

610
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: play and he wasn't letting me go. It was like,

611
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: and not just him, but Eugene Monroe and Brandon Albert,

612
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: like that entire group because al was so pro style like,

613
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: so we recruited big guys. We had big front seven,

614
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: big linemen. We weren't as good on the back end.

615
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: The parallel would be Lane Johnson in Philly. I really

616
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: do think Lane and Trent Williams gets a lot of

617
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: credit if you like Trent or Lane, Like, I'm not

618
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna argue either way, but as a pass blocking tackle

619
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: over the last ten years, I'm not putting anybody above

620
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson. And when I got there at thirty two,

621
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: thirty three years old, and I had to practice against

622
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: him every day. It felt like du Brickishaw again, where

623
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: you're like, this is great, but I can't actually try stuff.

624
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: You need to rep different movies to practice. Yeah, I

625
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: get practice. You're too good. So yeah, it was tough sometimes.

626
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: I mean you bring that up. Defensive linement get a lot,

627
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: they get a lot of money, they get a lot

628
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 3: of talk. Secondary guys corners the same. Obviously you got quarterback,

629
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: wide receiver. But you look at you know what happened

630
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 3: in San Francisco when Trenton was down. Yeah, and when

631
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Lane is maybe not quite healthy or whatever, like the

632
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: impact that those guys have.

633
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: Yep.

634
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: Obviously Bactiari for a long time at Green Bay player,

635
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: same deal. And as much as they talk about them,

636
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: people like your dad on on television, it's still no

637
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: one thinks about. No one goes there. And you're right,

638
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: and you're right with the Jets this year or two

639
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: and it's like, well they're not scoring because of this

640
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: or that, but also like they got to.

641
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Protect no question. You know, like when San Francisco had

642
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: that dip, people were looking at, Hey, Debo's not out here.

643
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: You know, you're missing I forget who else that we're missing.

644
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: But the most important thing I think, I think ayuk ayuk,

645
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: But the most important thing in that whole offense, because

646
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 1: of the way that offense runs, is the tackle that

647
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: can allow you to do so many things in the

648
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: run game.

649
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Speaker 2: Not just he can cave a three technique on a

650
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: double team.

651
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: He can get out in space and you can watch

652
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: a ten minute highlight tape of him running a DBS

653
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: like cones in a parking lot, like like just it,

654
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: bounce it, I mean, and then these guys can't even

655
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: cut these guys anymore. And so it's like, how do

656
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: you want me to play Trent Williams In's base, I'm

657
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: giving up one hundred and fifty pounds. And it's we

658
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: make a big deal about the pass pro right, because

659
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: when a guy's missing, you can see, hey, the Eagles

660
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: don't feel as good Jalen Immediately in that.

661
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: Bills game, Lane's down with a groin.

662
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: Immediately, I'm seeing Jalen check that side a lot, which

663
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: is taking his eyes off his progression. You know, like

664
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you might not be getting pressure, but it is affecting

665
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 1: the ebb and flow of that quarterback's process, right. And

666
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: I think the same way in the run game. On

667
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: a team like San Francisco, they're so dynamic because they

668
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: stress every level of defense.

669
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: You have to respect every key.

670
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: Not only that, but they have personnel groupings that all

671
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: look the same, you know, like you can run little

672
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: guy sets with big guys, and you can run big

673
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: guy sets with little guys because you have interchangeable pieces.

674
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: And the whole thing really, when you think about it's

675
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: from that hard run action to the perimeter and the

676
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: way that they live there is because they got that

677
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: big sob out there who might be the best at

678
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: his position of our generation in every phase. Now, having

679
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: said that, I think Lane should be in that conversation too, sure,

680
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: but when these guys are missing, it's not just the

681
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: simple oh he got sacked a lot, or they couldn't

682
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: run the ball. It's the entire offense, which is predicated

683
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: on both things working. And I think San Francisco, you

684
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: bring up a great point, is a perfect example.

685
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, at what point when you're at Virginia do you go,

686
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to the next level? When do you know?

687
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: Honestly, I think it was a spring game. Maybe my

688
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: second year, like my first year, I struggled, you know,

689
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: being so far away from home ten minutes. That was

690
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: hard for me.

691
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, I think it was

692
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: just the scheme.

693
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: I was in a three to four, you know, like

694
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, I wasn't thinking about that stuff.

695
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: You know, I think kids now are so much more

696
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: educated because of these camps and because of the process.

697
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: I just kind of took things as they came, and

698
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, the scheme wasn't perfect for me, but and

699
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: coach grow was tough, like it was like a shock,

700
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: but I liked him, and I came close to transferring

701
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: my freshman year. I looked at cal and Ohio State

702
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: and I got right to the cusp of like doing it,

703
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: and I just was like, now I'm not a quitter.

704
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick it out.

705
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't want to be that guy

706
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: now in today's day and age, maybe out of bounce

707
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: because it's just so much more normalized. But I stuck around.

708
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: And then my second spring game, we come out there

709
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: and I think I had like three sacks and I

710
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: just felt like things were coming together for me and

711
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: I said I might be able to play. And then

712
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: my junior year, I had a really nice year. I

713
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: can remember distinctly huddling around the kitchen table with my

714
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: dad and his like business advisor who was kind of

715
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: going to help me a little bit. And that's where

716
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: this stuff really helps. To have a dad, you know

717
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: that been through it, the business acumen, the contracts, the process,

718
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and we're sitting there discussing it. In the NFL, if

719
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: you're a junior and you send in your draft grade,

720
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't know how much has changed, but we looked

721
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: at the draft grade, which was the bottom of the

722
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: first draft grade. So I was if they said, if

723
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: I came out as a junior, I probably get picked

724
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: thirtieth or you know, twenty eighth.

725
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: My dad was like, take the money, man.

726
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 3: You know.

727
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: I had Anthony Poindexter on my staff, who was one

728
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: of the greatest football players I had ever seen and

729
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: would have been like Ed Reid had he not torn

730
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: his knee to pieces. And he's actually the DC at

731
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: Penn State now doing a great job. But he was

732
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: one of the best football players in Virginia history. He

733
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: came back his senior year and I can remember being

734
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: a little kid on the hill, which is the hill

735
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: up there where you get kind of GA tickets, and

736
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: I remember going not a little kid, because I was

737
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: sneaking across the street to drink like vodka out of

738
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: a Deer Park bottle. But when I got back in

739
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: the stadium, I was like, where's Anthony Poindexter. He was

740
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: like a god and they carted him off because he

741
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: was back. And I think they played NC State and

742
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: he took a chance and it backfired and he lost

743
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: generational wealth because of that. He was like, you know,

744
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: look what happened to Dex. You know, like, hey, buddy,

745
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: you can't take chances here. And the same thing went

746
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: for his buddy Steve, who said the same thing. And

747
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: I said, guys, like, I got a bet on myself here.

748
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I think I can do more this senior year. And

749
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: I just remember coming out that senior year as a

750
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: team and as an individual and being like this is

751
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: an all or nothing year. And I put it together,

752
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: had like a really good year, led the country and

753
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: some stuff and went to some award banquets and it

754
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: was like a dream. And our team we won like

755
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: five seven close games. They called us like the cardiac Cavs.

756
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: So whether it was Yukon or Middle Tennessee State, surviving

757
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: on like a block field but we almost got stranded

758
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: in Murphysboro after that game. If we had lost that

759
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: game to be terrible, we're sitting on the tarmac for

760
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: two hours. It was just a magical year. And I'm

761
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: so glad I did it. I'm so glad I take

762
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: the chance. But I also had the safety net to

763
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: do it. And anytime I've talked to younger people about

764
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: like big decisions, like hey, when I go talk to

765
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: my kids private school, you guys have huge safety nets,

766
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: So take chances and do them. Balls out. That's a

767
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: really good point. You know, it's not it's not it's

768
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: not the same. I wouldn't walk into an inner city

769
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: school where kids are first generation college kids, or walk

770
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: into a school where a kid kind of grew up

771
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: that way and say, hey, you got to go. You

772
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: got to stay here and be loyal to your family.

773
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: So it's easy for me to say, hey, loyalty, loyalty, loyalty,

774
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: take a risk. That was just what worked for me,

775
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: and it paid off, and it paid off a lot

776
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: because I got picked in top five and made a

777
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: lot of money.

778
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:34,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a really mature and astute observation there.

779
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's tough. You have to look at the

780
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 3: at the totality of the situation, and if you don't

781
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: have a safety net and you're in exactly the same position,

782
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: you're like, I could be drafted thirtieth, Like that's incredible,

783
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 3: Like that's incredible.

784
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: Better team too, could have been a packer or something.

785
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, I know.

786
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: Eight years in Saint Louis.

787
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: I would have liked that. It worked out well for you.

788
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: Dudley Award winner Near to the top NCAA football player

789
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: in the Commonwealth of Virginia two thousand and seven, ACC

790
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: Defensive Player in the Year won the Hendricks Award, which

791
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: is the top award given to a DEE and the

792
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: nation unanimous All American. You received a first place vote.

793
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: Here's a question your for the Heisman. Does your dad

794
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 3: have a hes vote?

795
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: Now, there's a couple of things he doesn't have. Now

796
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: he might have he doesn't have that. He might have

797
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: a gold jacket. He might be getting royalties for Firestorm

798
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: in three thousand Miles to Graceland. Or he might have

799
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: been in a movie with Tom Hanks, which I forget

800
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: the name of that one, but it's pretty funny. Actually,

801
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: in one of the deleted scenes. He's supposed to be

802
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks's boyfriend. And that's a possible movie. What's it

803
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: that thing you do? It's a movie?

804
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: Exactly what movie is this? No, he might have he

805
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: might have all these things, but he doesn't have a

806
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: first place Heisman vote.

807
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, have you been told who voted for you first? No?

808
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: But I like to drug test that person.

809
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: I really would you like to go back and see

810
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: how much drugs that writer was on because I appreciate it.

811
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, And it was cool because we had

812
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of story dudes that I went to all

813
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: those banquets with Glenn Dorsey and Matt Ryan and and

814
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: you know Vernon Goldston if you remember him, Like, there

815
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: were some some really good players.

816
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: You get drafted second overall, and weirdly, the second long

817
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: to be drafted, you go to Saint Louis. Do you

818
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: think you're gonna be in Saint Louis forever? Like? Is

819
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: that your mindset? Just like Charlotte's filt? Like are you

820
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 3: like here I am, I'm a lifer. I'm gonna Derek

821
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: Jeter this or whatever?

822
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: Like I think I think I really did take things.

823
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: And it sounds cliche, but when you're a kid and

824
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: you get dropped into a situation like that with all

825
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: that pressure, and you know, if you get picked that high,

826
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: your team's gonna suck.

827
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: You just know that.

828
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean like, yeah, I remember, yeah, you know, yeah.

829
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: I just thought of things as like what everybody's like,

830
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: what an accomplishment? And I just knew as soon as

831
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: I walked onto that podium, like I got my work

832
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: cut out for me, because for you to justify being

833
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: picked out high as hard, and then to do it

834
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: on a team where things aren't good, it's even harder,

835
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: Like it's just not going to be an easy road.

836
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: And I remember getting on the elevator in New York

837
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: after the draft, like during the draft, and I got

838
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: on with these two big dudes, and they obviously were

839
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: like rams.

840
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 2: I think one was like Leroy Glover.

841
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: And these guys ended up being my best buddies because

842
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: they were like my big brothers. But at the time,

843
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: they just glared at me and they were like, get

844
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: ready to get to work, and you know, like I'll

845
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: never forget that elevator ride because I already knew I

846
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: had to get to work, but seeing the grown men

847
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: that I was going to be either cutting into their

848
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: snaps rightfully or wrongfully, or being depended upon. Like it

849
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,479
Speaker 1: became a whole nother level of accountability. And I learned

850
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: a lot because in the old NFL, the CBA was different,

851
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: so we actually had two a days, we had training

852
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: camp properly.

853
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Guys today I hate selling an old guy. They don't

854
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: deal with that.

855
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there were a lot

856
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: of older guys in the league because now in today's game,

857
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: they're too expensive, you know. And I thought this was

858
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: just the way it was always going to be. But

859
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: I learned so much even through the one in fifteen,

860
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: two and fourteen seasons, and I saw so many people

861
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: come and go. So I don't know if it was

862
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: the fact that, like at times, it felt like I

863
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 1: was there one hundred years because nobody else was there

864
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: as long as me. I can remember my equipment manager,

865
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake, joking like five years in Like I think

866
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: a coach yelled at me once, like in front of

867
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: the team, and Jimmy was my guy, and he's like,

868
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: you'd be here longer than all these motherfuckers, And I

869
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if it's a good thing, but.

870
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: It turned out to be true, because you know, like

871
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: we were so bad and we cycled through so many people,

872
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: and then Jeff Fisher came and we were close. But

873
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: by my eighth year in Saint Louis, my seventh year

874
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: I had the closest parking spot to the building, which

875
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 2: means that like I'm the oldest guy. I'm twenty nine,

876
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: twenty eight, thirty years old. And so the NFL changed

877
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: a lot, and I did love Saint Louis. In fact,

878
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: my wife coach did John Burrows, where Jenna Fisher from

879
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: the office went. Yeah, so I met her and I

880
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 2: met John Ham because he went there too. It's like

881
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: the who's who Ezekiel Elliott went there to the school.

882
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, my wife coached there, so we really made

883
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: a lot of inroads.

884
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: Man, do you know John Ham taught there too, I.

885
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: Guess, so, I guess I found out afterwards.

886
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: But I've seen him at Bonnorou and then like in

887
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 1: Vegas just randomly at the wind like checking in, and

888
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: every time he's super cool and he remembers me, and

889
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: he's a great guy. It's unfair for be that good

890
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: looking and be a nice guy. Why can't you be

891
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: an asshole. Yeah, but like we really made roots there,

892
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: Like I love the Blues, Like we went to the

893
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: sporting events.

894
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: I had my favorite bars. I'd go to the same places.

895
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: I'd kill to go back to to one of these

896
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: places in University City or a bar in the Loop.

897
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Like I love Brad Hall. I used to drink with

898
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: him at the cigar bar at the Ritz. Have you

899
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: hung out with him?

900
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's a good punny of mine. He's awesome.

901
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 3: He's a good penny of mine. He's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

902
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: Mean it was great. I loved everything about it, but

903
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: we just couldn't win.

904
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: And I hated it for those fans because I lived

905
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: in a hotel.

906
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: My eighth year, I knew, I you know, yeah, I.

907
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Was captain of the team my sixth, you know year,

908
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: my seventh year, I think, and you know, like I

909
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: was one of the guys, like I was. I was

910
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: playing really well, and my career was doing this and

911
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: and I got hurt two years in a row, and

912
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, tried to play hurt and that never ends well.

913
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: And and my eighth year, by the time I came

914
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: back from the second injury, we checked into a hotel

915
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: because I knew I'm getting cut or the team's moving,

916
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: and it was a super weird year. And that was

917
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: the year of Tampa Bay game that last came at

918
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: the Edward Jones Dome.

919
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: It was eerie.

920
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: You know, It's like I did feel like I'd been

921
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: there for a lifetime, and it feels like a lifetime

922
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: ago now.

923
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: It's interesting. There's a show I don't know if you

924
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: ever went and watched it, All or Nothing, where they

925
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: do this series, and there was an all or Nothing

926
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: about the Rams their first year in Los Angeles, and

927
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: Fisher ends up getting fired and things are not going

928
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 3: well there at all, and I ended up working on it.

929
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: That's a long story for another day. But you know,

930
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 3: one of the things that was very clear was how

931
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 3: difficult it was just the move, just operationally, and everything

932
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: is temporary. Here's a temporary practice facility and a temporary stadium,

933
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: and where am I going to live? And where are

934
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: my kids going to school? And what's the traffic pattern

935
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: when we have to go to practice and all of

936
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: those things. They were just really difficult.

937
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: It was tough, and I think part of the reason

938
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists will tell you that part of the reason

939
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: Jeff was hired was to orchestrate a move because he

940
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: had gone through that with Houston, Tennessee and Saint Louis

941
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: fans to tell you that that team was kind of

942
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: stolen from out from under them, And I would agree,

943
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: like I would agree in a lot of ways, but

944
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: I don't think Jeff was necessarily complicit. I think Jeff

945
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: was just doing his job as a coach, and Stan wanted,

946
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted the Olympics in LA. He wanted

947
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: like and sometimes that's just you got to realize what

948
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: these guys, they're not thinking like us. They're business people.

949
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: The more money they can make, no questions asked, that's

950
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: what they're doing.

951
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: You know. It's a chart that tells you decision A

952
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: or B.

953
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: It's like follow the money for these guys, and so

954
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Saint Louis never really had a shot and now they

955
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: actually have Super Bowl parties in Saint Louis without the

956
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: game on, which I think is that's how spiteful they are.

957
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: And I totally appreciate that. And it's also put me

958
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: in a weird spot, Brian, because I played two years

959
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: in Philly.

960
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: I loved everything about it.

961
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: I really clicked in that city and we won, and

962
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: so of course I'm passionate about the Eagles. My kids

963
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: love the Eagles like it's a family thing. My wife's

964
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: from South Jersey. My parents went to Villanova. But when

965
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I don't give that same love to the la Rams,

966
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: people get kind of.

967
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: Butt hurt about it.

968
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has nothing to do with anything other

969
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: than the fact that, like, hey, I played for eight

970
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: years in Saint Louis, it is a fundamentally different thing.

971
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: As much as I'd love to follow the team, and

972
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: I still have some friends. I talked to Aaron Donald

973
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: this morning. Actually, I love some of those people, the Trainers,

974
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: the less Snead, the guy cut me. I had him

975
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: over for dinner. Less Sneed the next summer. I have

976
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: no ill Will. But it is a different thing. You know,

977
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: when the franchise moves, it doesn't feel like the same franchise.

978
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: And so that was tough actually on that show. I

979
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember the guy that loves Mermaids,

980
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: William Hayes. He doesn't believe in dinosaurs. He's like my

981
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: best friend. He was just he visited me like two

982
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: months ago.

983
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: He talks to Nicey.

984
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: He definitely talks to Nicy, but still he still figure

985
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: out of it. He's still talking to us.

986
00:46:54,200 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, before we talk about Philly.

987
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: You go to the Patriots for one year. Shocker, you

988
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: win the whole thing after years of losing. Now it's

989
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 3: got to be fun to be on the other side

990
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: of it. Not only that you went in overtime, the

991
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: biggest comeback in the game's history. By the way, I'm

992
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: from Atlanta.

993
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that. Do you care? Are you like

994
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: a Falcons fan? I thought you're a Packers fan. Well,

995
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: I complicated.

996
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, it's got to be kind of like

997
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: for you too, maybe in a way, not exactly. I'm

998
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 3: not comparing myself to you. I do root for my friends,

999
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: so I mean, I start as a kid, I was

1000
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: a Falcons fan, of course, and I have gotten to

1001
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: know oh, you know Matt Ryan quite a bit. Great

1002
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 3: guy and great guy, I really And it's weird because

1003
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: I think for like, I wasn't going to every Packers

1004
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: you know, I would go once or twice a year

1005
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: and hopefully the playoffs or whatever. But it was weird,

1006
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 3: like there was a stretch there when Atlanta was also good. Yeah,

1007
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: that two years in a row, and I always liked

1008
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: going to Lambeau when it's cold, like I like, I

1009
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: like that, And two years in a row they're playing

1010
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: the Falcons just like, however the schedule like kind of

1011
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: and so I would be there, you know, before the

1012
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: game or whatever on the field saying and there would

1013
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: be Matt always so nice coming over and saying hi,

1014
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: or as I'm wearing like the green beanie, and I

1015
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: was like, god, like it was a difficult thing for me.

1016
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I was not rooting for you in

1017
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: that Super Bowl.

1018
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: No, And that's okay.

1019
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: I mean, like I was not you won, So course

1020
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: I totally understand because like I wouldn't have been rooting

1021
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: for me my like I can remember being a I've

1022
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: been a big Patriots defender at times because I think,

1023
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: like their franchise is amazing.

1024
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: I think Tom's amazing.

1025
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: But I also used to hate him because in college

1026
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: coach grow he's like from the Belichick tree. He used

1027
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: to make us where the stupid striped socks and we

1028
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: had all the same sayings on the wall and shit.

1029
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: So I remember being at the bar like boo, like

1030
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: when David Tyree caught that ball and then it's yes, boo,

1031
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: and then and then we get to the super Bowl,

1032
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: and it came down to for me in free agency,

1033
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and I almost retired before I went up there, but

1034
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: I gave it some time.

1035
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I want to keep playing.

1036
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: I've never gotten to win, you know, I've never been

1037
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, never sniffed it. I got to feel

1038
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: like cash in on some of his individual's success, enjoy

1039
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: what it's like to.

1040
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: Be on a team. And it came down to Atlanta

1041
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: in New England, and my dad used to say, well,

1042
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: I steered him away from Atlanta, but it was a

1043
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 2: traffic in Atlanta. Honestly for me, it's terrible traffic in

1044
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: that city. I mean Flowery Branch to Atlanta's like it's

1045
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: it's a nightmare.

1046
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: Before I got to the meeting with Dan Quinn, I

1047
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I can't sit in the car like this.

1048
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: But and he wanted to play me inside, So I

1049
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I want to play inside.

1050
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: Because he wanted me to be as Michael Bennett from Seattle,

1051
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: like he wanted me to be the inside, outside guy.

1052
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: And ironically, when I got up to New England, that's

1053
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: what I ended up doing. In New England is playing

1054
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: out like not in where I wanted to play anything

1055
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: like that, rushing on the right side, rushing inside. But

1056
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: it was an individually trying year because I was trying

1057
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: to find my way in that scheme, but also the

1058
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: best year of football I can remember, because the guys

1059
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: on that team, as much as you hate the Patriots

1060
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: people in general, Devin mcforty, Jules Dany Amadola and Ninko

1061
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: Tom would treat everybody with respect in that building, and

1062
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I just love the guys man and I love Bill.

1063
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: Like when it came down to the you know, the

1064
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: end of it, and we finished our parade and I'm

1065
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: walking back in the building, all shit faced off the

1066
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: duck boats and I'm like, I'm going in, I'm saying,

1067
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: and there's no hard feelings, but like I know, I

1068
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: can't keep playing here because of the scheme.

1069
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: People were like, yo, you're crazy, Like why would you

1070
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: leave New England? You were a loser your whole career

1071
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 2: and now you want to be a loser again.

1072
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted to finish my career playing in a

1073
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: scheme that was more suited for what I do. And

1074
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: I can remember being in the prepping for the Super Bowl,

1075
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: watching tape late at night in the hotel, and I

1076
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: vividly remember this. I'm watching Atlanta because we watched that

1077
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: team and everybody was played, and watching Atlanta play Philly

1078
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: in a game at Philly earlier in the season, and

1079
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: I looked at that d line and I was like, man,

1080
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: that looks like what I used to do. And at

1081
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: that point I wasn't even thinking about anything. But when

1082
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: it came time for free agency. I had a buddy,

1083
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: Ian Yates Cunningham, who's actually the assistant guy in Chicago

1084
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: behind Poles, and I played with him in college and

1085
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: he was in Philly with Joe Douglass and I just

1086
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: called him. I was like, because nobody was calling me.

1087
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, do you think you use like

1088
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: somebody like me? And they like, let me run up

1089
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: the flagpole and it just all worked out. And so

1090
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: like most people when they leave New England under their

1091
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: own power, people are like, there's something wrong, but there

1092
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: was nothing wrong.

1093
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: I love that place. I love the guys.

1094
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: I wasn't crazy about the sun going down at four

1095
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon, but you know, as a southern

1096
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: Cali guy, now you know what I'm saying, but I do.

1097
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: But I just needed to make the move.

1098
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: But I can remember being at halftime, being down twenty

1099
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: eight three to that team and thinking I made the

1100
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: wrong choice.

1101
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: Like every other turn in my life, I screwed it up.

1102
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 3: You know, why did you come back?

1103
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 2: Come back to where?

1104
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Why did you win that game?

1105
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: Oh? Why do we come back? Yeah?

1106
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: Oh just tell me, just give me the right ants,

1107
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 3: Just tell me.

1108
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: No, I'll tell you why, because I think that sometimes

1109
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: when teams get up on a team and they know

1110
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: the other teams better, and you start like that protection

1111
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: mess up they had with Davante. I can't remember the

1112
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: running backs Freeman, but Freeman, nice Devonte Freeman, and he

1113
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: let high run free. When they made mistakes like that,

1114
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: they gave us an inch. And when you play a

1115
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: team like Tom Brady and the Patriots in that era,

1116
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: if you give that team an inch, they're going to

1117
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: take a mile and then the game changes to where

1118
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: the pressure is all on you. And I thought the

1119
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: pressure was too much for that team, that Atlanta team.

1120
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you can feel on a team that

1121
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: has a history or a franchise that has a history

1122
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: of like this thing happening, or this thing happening. You

1123
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: can feel those things happening as they're happening, and I

1124
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: think it's just snowball. And then finally, and I think

1125
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: Shanahan should be talked about what we were talking about

1126
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: this this week as one of the greatest coaches of

1127
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: our generation, Kyle Shanahan, because look what he's done with

1128
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. You know, you see Andy struggling a little

1129
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: bit right now schematically with the problem they have in

1130
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: Kansas City.

1131
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 2: Bill, you know, could be just a guy. I don't

1132
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: think so, but without Tom Brady and Shanahan as great

1133
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: as a coach as he is, not running the football

1134
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 2: up eight in that football game and kicking a field goal.

1135
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: We knocked him out of field goal range twice with

1136
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: a sack and a holding call. That's the game, you know.

1137
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: And so I think it's a combination of not doing

1138
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: the right things in the right situations, but also just

1139
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: the feeling like once that game turned, you could tell

1140
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: they knew and we knew. When we won the toss

1141
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: in overtime, me Dante high Tower, Alan Branch and Rob Nikovich,

1142
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: I said, we taking our helmets off, and they're like, yep,

1143
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 1: take them off. Let's go sit and watch the show

1144
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: because we're not going back on the field.

1145
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 2: And we knew it. And that's how it ended with

1146
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: James White in the end zone.

1147
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: Incredible, It was wild.

1148
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: I didn't believe it, but I'm not gonna act like

1149
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: I believe we were gonna win. Brian, Right, I'm in

1150
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: the fucking locker room at the half, and why did

1151
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: I make this call? I'm first off, I'm in Rob

1152
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: Ninko because Nikovitch before the game, he is like my

1153
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: best buddy there. He's like, just trust me, bro, you

1154
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: were not going to want to lose a Super Bowl.

1155
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: You're gonna wish you went one in fifteen. You're gonna

1156
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: wish you were in Saint Louis.

1157
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: We lose this game, and it was just echoing in

1158
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: my head and we go in to the locker room

1159
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: and guys are yelling, and I remember Julian being like, we're.

1160
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: Gonna win this game, and I'm like, can we get

1161
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: a stop? Like what do you know that? I don't know?

1162
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: And maybe it's the loser mentality of being in St.

1163
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: Louis for eight years, but those guys knew. You talked

1164
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: about it already. You go to Philly, you win back

1165
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: to back with two different teams. That hasn't happened a lot,

1166
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: and now you beat.

1167
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: The team that you just won with. I mean, it's

1168
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 3: all weird, right, weird, Yeah, it's weird.

1169
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: It was like, I don't believe in karma in the

1170
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: NFL because I've seen too many guys that I loved

1171
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: and respected that didn't get the you know, the happy

1172
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: ending at the end of their career, Like where James Laronidis,

1173
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: he was right there with me on that turf, wasting

1174
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: his prime. He ends up in New Orleans, his legs

1175
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: fall out from under him, you know, in camp he

1176
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: just never was the same. And for me to be

1177
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: able to catch those two rides, it felt like a

1178
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: movie and I was like, I don't know what I

1179
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: did deserve this, but hopefully it's just my life, my

1180
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: career kind of balancing out and Philly was so magic

1181
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: because in New England you were part of a machine

1182
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: and I got to feel what that felt like, and

1183
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: that is a powerful thing. It's like walking into a

1184
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: bulls locker room in the nineties, you know, like this

1185
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: is sports history, Like these guys do this and it's

1186
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: a different kind of feeling and the leaders man Dante

1187
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: hiew are one of the best leaders period I've ever

1188
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: been around, and like guys like that who are the

1189
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: only way you have people like that is having done it.

1190
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: And so that was a great experience. But going down

1191
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: to Philly getting picked in the bottom third of league

1192
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: total afterthought, I thought we could be good, but I

1193
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: had no idea and losing your starting quarterback, it was

1194
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: like a movie, man, and for us, for the Vets,

1195
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: the way it like we kind of converged on Philly.

1196
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: It was like Legarrett Blunt I signed, I start bothering him.

1197
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, because he was a guy liked in New England,

1198
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go, dude. And Tory Smith, the guy

1199
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: that played in the ACC with me, I knew to

1200
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: a little bit him calling me, you know, Joe's bringing

1201
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: me to Philly. We should all link up. And then

1202
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: Patrick Robinson and it was the perfect emergence of veterans

1203
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: and young players and leaders and guys that had been

1204
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: there and guys that had won and guys that hadn't,

1205
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: and we just had some special in that building. I mean,

1206
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: for that year, it was like nobody could stop us.

1207
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: There were better teams. But it's like that day we

1208
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: beat the Vikings at the Link in the NFC Championship. Yeah,

1209
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: I said at some point anybody could have gotten it

1210
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: that night, and Philly people love hearing that, but I

1211
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: really mean it.

1212
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: There are better teams than us.

1213
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: But I don't know on that night who was beating

1214
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: us because we just had this this thing, and you

1215
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: can't manufacture a thing. It either exists or it doesn't.

1216
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: And it was the perfect storm. So you're an Eagle

1217
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: yeah in my mind, Yeah, or a Saint Louis Ram.

1218
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: You know, they don't exist. They don't exist.

1219
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: So how often do you say to Kyle three and zero?

1220
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: I like to rhy him a little bit.

1221
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: We just broke down the double Joint game the other

1222
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: day on the pod, which he's become increasingly more level

1223
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: headed about. Okay, but you know, for a guy that

1224
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: I had to pull out of a fight with my

1225
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: best friend William, like he was beating my friend up.

1226
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: The only time he came to Saint Louis, he almost

1227
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: got ejected after that game. I kind of didn't want

1228
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: to see him in the tunnel because I thought he'd

1229
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: be just dejected.

1230
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 3: I felt for him but three and oh, do you

1231
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: just walk up to him and say three and oh?

1232
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: That's what me and my buddy like. I I you know,

1233
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 3: it's just played golf with a friend of mine. I

1234
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: mean if I I just pounded him. We were playing

1235
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: this little tournament and I pounded him six and five.

1236
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: I beat him six and five, which means I beat

1237
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 3: him up six with five holes left. I said to

1238
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: him the rest of the day, probably eight hundred and

1239
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: seventy three times six and five.

1240
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Ye you know it's funny because I would rib him,

1241
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: but I'll so no. He's a little sensitive. He doesn't

1242
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: like that shit.

1243
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: And he's also six six, three hundred pounds and he

1244
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: could crush me. So Like sometimes we're sitting here doing

1245
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: the podcast and I touch a little button, I'm like,

1246
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: let me, let me take my hand off the button.

1247
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: But I also know which buttons to push. And when

1248
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: we were on the field, I was trying to drive

1249
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: him crazy. He was talking about this the other day, like,

1250
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm a really nice guy, but when I get on

1251
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: the field, I'm going to try to drive you nuts.

1252
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: And especially if I think you're you're a little bit

1253
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, like you don't have it wound too tight,

1254
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: which Kyle when he played, I feel like he was

1255
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: a loose cannon.

1256
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: So we just we target him.

1257
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: We just I chirp him and chirp him, and then

1258
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: he beat up my friend and almost get ejected or

1259
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: but then when you get into tunnel, you're like, hey,

1260
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: there's no referees here to stop him from mauling me.

1261
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 3: From killing somebody. I gotta relax. Yeah, I know, I

1262
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 3: don't have much more time. I gotta mention. You're just

1263
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, one, you really make me laugh, but two,

1264
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: you're a generous as hell guy. You win and what

1265
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 3: many on the inside consider the most prestigious award that

1266
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: you can win in the NFL, including MVP, the Walter

1267
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: Payton Man of the Year Award, you win it following

1268
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen season. In the twenty seventeen season, you

1269
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 3: played for free.

1270
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1271
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't making that much now, Brian, But yeah, oh

1272
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. Yeah, think about it. You know,

1273
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: at this point in my career, they're not paying me

1274
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: as much. But yeah, I played for free. You know,

1275
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: honestly it started for me. I remember being so on

1276
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: the fence about playing, like every year as you get

1277
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: older the more bs, especially if you win a Super Bowl,

1278
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 1: You're like, you ask yourself because I got kids and

1279
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm at that point in my life, like why am

1280
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: I here? Why do I continue to beat myself up?

1281
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: Twenty eighteen, I was in line. This is before we

1282
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: started four and six off the Super Bowl, and maybe

1283
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: I wish I'd gotten out of line, but I remember

1284
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: getting in line for physicals and I was like, just

1285
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: fucking walk out. You don't want to be here, be

1286
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: a man about it and walk out, you know, like,

1287
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: don't do this thing that you're half in on. But

1288
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: once I'm in, I'm in. And so I got to

1289
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: the end of the line and I kept playing, and

1290
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did. But in twenty seventeen, I was

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Speaker 1: kind of like every year was like ah maybe, and

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, I want to do something special.

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Speaker 1: I want to do something that's a lot bigger than

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Speaker 1: me and something to ensure that I'm dead serious about

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Speaker 1: coming to work every day because I didn't know where

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Speaker 1: my head was at. You know, when you're answering for

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Speaker 1: yourself at a certain point in life, you're just going

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Speaker 1: through the motions.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're on a treadmill. That never ends.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with being a father or

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Speaker 1: you know, heading an organization or being responsible for the

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Speaker 1: people that work here at Greenlight, like you should do

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Speaker 1: something that's bigger than you. And for me, at that point,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make the world a better place and

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Speaker 1: I still do. But I had a really big platform,

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Speaker 1: and I thought really hard about just not saying anything

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Speaker 1: about it and just give the money, because there's plenty

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Speaker 1: of people that had given that amount of money before

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Speaker 1: and didn't get a damn parade about it. But for me,

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Speaker 1: I just looked at it like my pride's going to

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Speaker 1: get in the way of maybe doubling this investment in

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Speaker 1: what I care about. I need to come out and

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Speaker 1: see if these fans will meet me halfway.

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Speaker 2: And they did.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: They they doubled my investment in at equity and in

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Speaker 1: the scholarships we were doing, and it was like a

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Speaker 1: springboard for everything we've continued to do. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: like those two years, we raised a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. We gave a lot of effort in

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Speaker 1: that city and I fell in love with the city.

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Speaker 1: But getting the Man of the Year, I was almost

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Speaker 1: I'm not even lying to you, and these guys keep

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Speaker 1: referencing them, but they tell you it's not my most

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Speaker 1: proud thing, because I really don't think that's why you

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Speaker 1: do it. You know, Like I said this to Lane

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Speaker 1: Johnson the other day, who's like a little brother to me,

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Speaker 1: and I love the guy. He's just he's awesome, and

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Speaker 1: he got nominated for a Man of the Year, which

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Speaker 1: means he is one of the guys that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: up on that stage.

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Speaker 2: You already won. You know, you did the work. You know,

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Speaker 2: the work is why you do it, and then you're.

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Speaker 3: Getting attention for the charity that you're trying to help

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Speaker 3: us well, which is is that's the reason that's it.

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Speaker 1: If it's pragmatically going to help us awesome. You try

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Speaker 1: to do things for altruistic reasons, you know, you're not

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Speaker 1: trying to do it to get And that was the

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Speaker 1: one thing that made me kind of uncomfortable was, you know,

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Speaker 1: people looking at it and then also stand up on

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Speaker 1: stage with a bunch of guys who aren't gonna win.

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Speaker 2: Why am I better than Kyle Rudolph, Why am I

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Speaker 2: better in this guy? Why?

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Speaker 1: So the way I look at it, everybody that gets nominated.

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Speaker 1: Every year wins, you know, you do win because people

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Speaker 1: care about your stuff more. But the reason I really

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Speaker 1: won was getting a relationship that started with the Walter

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Speaker 1: Payton family. Like super cool to me to get to

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Speaker 1: know his family and his family's evidence of his greatness,

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Speaker 1: everything they've done to continue his legacy. And Jarrett, like

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Speaker 1: his son, been through the same things I've been through

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Speaker 1: with having great expectations. And he played in the league

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Speaker 1: for a while and we've got a cool friendship.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: This summer, he came to visit me in Montana because

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Speaker 1: I spend summer in Montana, up there near Clay and

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Speaker 1: he was like, we got to get together. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: this thing for Walter Payton Man of the Year. We'll

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Speaker 1: do some footage. What do you like to do outside.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I like to hike, So we're going

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Speaker 1: to go on a hike. I forgot to tell him

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Speaker 1: how the altitude was there, but he made it halfway

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Speaker 1: up the mountain, but he came all the way up

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Speaker 1: to see me. And it's just I got a lifelong friend,

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Speaker 1: and I think I won for that, like having, you know,

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Speaker 1: having been on that stage with those guys.

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Speaker 2: No matter if you want or loss. You're a winner,

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Speaker 2: and so for Lane, for any of these guys, it's

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Speaker 2: just great to be discussed. One, You're an incredible guy

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Speaker 2: and I really admire you. I've always admired you as

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Speaker 2: a football player.

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Speaker 3: Now I can add making me laugh to the list,

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Speaker 3: which is I don't know, and you know to me

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Speaker 3: that it doesn't get much better than that as well.

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Speaker 3: And you're a good dude. You're crushing it in the

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Speaker 3: media that you're doing now, the iconic television show Inside

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Speaker 3: the NFL, you're now a part of that. You've got

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Speaker 3: the green Light podcast. Is it hard for you to

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Speaker 3: talk about you know, you're you're not you haven't been

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01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 3: gone that long, so you still have friends that are

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Speaker 3: in the league. Is hard? Is it hard for you

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Speaker 3: to talk about them or coaches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Totally.

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Speaker 1: Every time I get on the mic, I imagine I'm

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Speaker 1: pissing somebody off, and that's the reality of it. And

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Speaker 1: I've gotten better at just be you know, okay with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I care what people think. So does anybody

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Speaker 1: that has one of these, right Like, it's so easy

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Speaker 1: to be like, I don't care what anybody thinks, right Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the pursuit, but like you have to have some

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Speaker 1: you know, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it. Otherwise I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be trying to do the best I very can

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Speaker 1: at it. For me, I just a responsibility that I

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Speaker 1: take seriously to get people the right information, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so whether it's today watching film for four hours

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Speaker 1: and sitting here getting ready for the previews, or Sunday

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Speaker 1: night I'm up till two in the morning, make sure

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Speaker 1: I've seen every game like I could mail it in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I really do care what these people think. And

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Speaker 1: if somebody, by the off hand chance, here's what I

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01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: say about them, I better be right or fair or

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Speaker 1: frame it correctly. And I think my dad helped me

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Speaker 1: with that because growing up, his thing was like, I

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01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: don't I want to be fair. I don't question people's injuries.

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01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm careful about questioning people's efforts. You don't attack people personally.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I've fallen short at times because of the

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Speaker 1: casual nature of what we do. It's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: like guys just bullshitting on a couch, and I can

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Speaker 1: fall into that, but I try to be respectful because

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Speaker 1: I have been in that seat and there are guys

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Speaker 1: that made me feel a certain way when I heard

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Speaker 1: what they had to say about me.

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Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you're doing a fantastic job.

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Speaker 2: Thanks truly.

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Speaker 3: On the podcast integrating sports and culture and entertainment, it's

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun to listen to, Truly, I wish

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Speaker 3: you all the best in that.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Brian.

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Speaker 3: And on inside the NFL. And I know you've got

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Speaker 3: yate House Media that you've started new production company and studio.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what's coming out for you.

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Speaker 2: See, we've got some stuff cooking. But we'll see. Man.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to just trying to trying to make

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Speaker 2: sure the show's fun and I'm enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well listen, what I hope is our paths

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Speaker 3: crossed here very soon. You'll be in Vegas here in February.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go to the game.

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Speaker 3: I will be there. All right, let's get together, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's do. Maybe the Packers are in it. We'll find

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Speaker 3: a time. You think you think the way they look

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Speaker 3: the other night, but look that's all they did look really,

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Speaker 3: especially with the injuries they've had. Look, I know, I

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Speaker 3: we could do, we could talk forever.

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Speaker 2: You gotta come up I'm gonna get you online one

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Speaker 2: of these days. I'll give you plenty of notice.

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Speaker 3: Well, now that you talked about how I know what

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about, that's exactly that's gonna be on my

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Speaker 3: bio from here on out. Thanks Chris, Chris, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for being here. I will see you in

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Speaker 3: Las Vegas in just a few weeks for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you on here. Guess what He'll always

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Speaker 3: be my first long listeners check out green Light on

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: the podcast app of your choice. Also, be sure to

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Speaker 3: watch Inside the NFL on the CW. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be back next time with a wish, a real wish

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Speaker 3: that you have a great week off. The Beat is

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Speaker 3: hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our

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Speaker 3: executive producer Linglee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia. Our

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Speaker 3: producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr. Our

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Speaker 3: talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern is

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Speaker 3: Ali Amir Sahed. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak perform

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Speaker 3: by the one and Only creep Bread