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Speaker 1: Training camps in full swing. I got a little John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff on the nine, Ian O'Connor on the Derek Jeter

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Speaker 1: New York Legacy. That documentary The Captain, My buddy Nick

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Speaker 1: and Psychedelic t But first my top takes of the Week.

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Speaker 1: So I went back about four or five years and

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Speaker 1: I was looking at the last four or five years

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Speaker 1: of NFL standings, on average, there are about eight to

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Speaker 1: nine what I would call super Bowl teams. These are

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Speaker 1: double digit win teams ten and six or better with

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Speaker 1: a sixteen game schedule. Now I think those teams have

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Speaker 1: to be It feels like to me, a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: team should have eleven wins, be sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: eleven and six to me feels like a super Bowl team.

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Speaker 1: So an elite team very good. Then the league has

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Speaker 1: about ten to twelve teams in the middle right that

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl team. And then about ten really bad teams.

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Speaker 1: Ten really bad teams. Some are and I say bad,

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Speaker 1: I mean four games under five hundred or worse. So

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Speaker 1: I tried to before the season starts. I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him in those three groups very good

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Speaker 1: teams capable of winning a super Bowl. There's thirteen I have.

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Speaker 1: not saying they will, but I think they could get breaks. Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Chargers, Denver, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Niners, Tampa Rams, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Minnesota. That's twelve. Then I have ten teams

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Speaker 1: that I consider can't win a Super Bowl but several

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Speaker 1: redeeming qualities. In the NFC, it's very few. Washington, Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and Philly in the AFC, Indie, Tennessee, Cleveland, New England, Miami,

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Speaker 1: and Las Vegas. Can't win a Super Bowl, could win

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Speaker 1: ten games, maybe eleven, but they've got somewhere. They've got

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Speaker 1: a hole. Maybe it's a coaching hole in Dallas. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's a perimeter playmaker hole like New England. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: not special. Quarterback Tennessee Ryan Tannehill. So I have twelve

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Speaker 1: teams Buffalo, Kansas City, Chargers, Denver, Baltimore, Cinc. Minnesota, Green Bay, Arizona, Rams, Tampa,

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Speaker 1: Niners I think are really special teams. Maybe a hole,

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Speaker 1: not several. I've got ten I think have several redeeming

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Speaker 1: qualities again, Dallas, Washington, Philly in the NFC, Raiders, Steelers, Miami,

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Speaker 1: New England, Cleveland, Tennessee, Indie in the AFC. And that

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Speaker 1: leaves ten really bad teams in the NFL Jets, Giants, Jacksonville, Houston, Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Carolina, Seattle, Chicago, I think they're going to

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Speaker 1: looked at the schedule. I think there are seven win team,

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Speaker 1: what you have about a twelve team Super Bowl bubble

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Speaker 1: ten that I have a chance to make the playoffs. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: I don't like to be a buzz kill, but when

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Speaker 1: really close. So hard knocks this year, it's the Detroit Lions,

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Speaker 1: is the choice debuted last night on HBO. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a fan of hard Knocks because I think it's really unfair.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly I've got thirty four camera guys and producers. Oh

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Speaker 1: Something can be good television hard knocks often is, but

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Speaker 1: adjusted people become complete morauns. Cameras affect people. You do

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Speaker 1: been on camera, you know, for three hours a day forever.

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Speaker 1: You know, most of my Adult Life local TV simulcast.

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Speaker 1: You could not put eight cameras in my house with

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Speaker 1: I keep seeing these teams. The Cleveland Browns had it

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Speaker 1: last year. They melted down. I mean the Colts personality,

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Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence. I can like the content, the

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Speaker 1: a competitive disadvantage. I always have. I thought Rex Ryan

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Speaker 1: want out. Then he went dark. Didn't hear from him.

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Speaker 1: So Sham's Sharania report of the story, Durant met with

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Speaker 1: gone wrong with that that. I think Kevin Durant's one

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Speaker 1: of the first victims of social media as a professional athlete.

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Speaker 1: didn't exist. The constant harping on Kevin Durant about joining

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Speaker 1: a championship team in the Bay Area, he wouldn't have left.

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Speaker 1: Westbrook takes the air out of the ball, and Durant

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Speaker 1: increasingly was frustrated that he would control the possession until

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Speaker 1: the very last few seconds. Give Durant a pass in

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Speaker 1: in the ass. You were constantly worrying about offending Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: And so I think to some degree his move to Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: last year, this year, it's a mess. I think he's

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Speaker 1: And I think Kevin Durant, it's easy to be fooled, tricked, persuaded, bothered.

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Speaker 1: Your anxiety level can go up. It's happened to me before.

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Speaker 1: the player. You always punish the recruiting ownership group. I

425
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: felt like, wow, that was really it just it just

426
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: it just hit me that here's a guy that he

427
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: was all about being all in. And I find it

428
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: hard to believe that he wasn't distracted at some point

429
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen season as the starting quarterback for

430
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots when he was negotiating with another franchise. So

431
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: should he have been punished for that? I sort of

432
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: think probably, not not a major punishment, but I think

433
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: for his image as the ultimate competitor in the NFL.

434
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really bad look, and I

435
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: think most people just gave him a pass on it.

436
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by that. Yeah, I mean, listen,

437
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of like Reagan was so popular. Um,

438
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: you know, he joked about bombing Russia. Popularity has a

439
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: force field of its own. I mean Michael Jordan, who

440
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: had the first major shoe contract, that Nike shield around

441
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. You can't penetrate it. He punched teammates, he

442
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 1: quit twice. I mean it is popularity is a remarkable thing.

443
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: And um, and I sometimes I think, I think, I

444
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: think Jeter had it, and I think I think Brady

445
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: has it. I mean it's it's look at this the

446
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: very last year, the last two years he was in

447
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: New England, everybody had his jersey. It was still like

448
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: number one in the league. I mean, Aaron Rodgers has

449
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: been in Green Bay for years, but his his jersey's

450
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: twentieth right now, twentieth. Tom's is one and it was

451
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: one until the end in New England. I mean, I mean,

452
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Rogers is a back to back MVP. It's twentieth. So

453
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: I think I look at Tom and I'm a huge

454
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Brady advocate. But there's there's some drips, there's a leak

455
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: in the faucet, there's been some tone deaf stuff. I

456
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: didn't even think about the practice. And I think Tom's

457
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: a good guy. But I do think, I really do

458
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: think it his heart. He's a good guy. I think

459
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: when you get that richie in and that famous, you

460
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: just you can't relate. And I almost don't blame you.

461
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: You literally don't go to the DMV, you don't go

462
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: to an airport, you don't go to the grocery store.

463
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, it's not. It's not a normal life.

464
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: It's not. It's not. I think he's the greatest football

465
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: player ever. And my dad once said that there would

466
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: never be a greater football player than Jim Brown. And

467
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: as an athlete, Tom's not on the same planet with

468
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: people like Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, Walter Payton, and you

469
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: think of some of the greats of the greats, But

470
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: in terms of performance, body of work, and the significance

471
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: of that position, he's not just the greatest quarterback ever.

472
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: I think he's the greatest football player ever. So I

473
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: am just a tremendous amount of I do think at

474
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: hard from doing the book and talking to a lot

475
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: of his friends and people who really knew him. I

476
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: do think he's a definitely a good person, and I

477
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: just think, yeah, they've been and nobody has a perfect career,

478
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: and when you're constantly in the public, you're going to

479
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: make mistakes and people are going to know about them.

480
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: And I think he's made a few. Whatever mistakes he

481
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: made into flake Gate and negotiating with another franchise while

482
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: you're playing quarterback for the Patriots, I had a problem

483
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: with that. I had a problem with him running multiple

484
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: practices when the union said, don't do it during the

485
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: pandemic because you're putting people at risk and risking maybe

486
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: the start of the season if we have everybody running

487
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: these practices. And I was right in the heart of

488
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: the pandemic, and so yeah, but I think the bogies

489
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: on his scorecard are manageable, and he's got more birdies

490
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: than everybody else. So that's why he should go down

491
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: as the greatest football player who ever lived. All Right,

492
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: time to bring in my buddy Nick, right, We don't

493
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: like to bother him. He's a busy guy. But about

494
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: every six weeks, bring him on and I throw just

495
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: a variety of topics his way. If you really look

496
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: at what social media is, it's a race to tell

497
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: everybody you're smarter than them. Aaron Rodgers has got into

498
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: this weird space where, whether it's vaccines or a psychedelic drug,

499
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: instead of like licensed professionals, Aaron is giving you this

500
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: sense that you know, I feel like I'm kind of

501
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: a of this, and smart people seek their own opinions.

502
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: They don't follow others. I tend to follow licensed professionals.

503
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: And I think when you combine the anti vax stands

504
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: and the fibbing on it, and you combine it with

505
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: the psychedelic drug usage that that t it does to me.

506
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you get older, richer, and single.

507
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: You become incredibly self indulgent. You really believe you have

508
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: all the answers, and I think some of the strangest

509
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: behavior in sports Kevin Durant, Kyrie Aaron Rodgers, rich, older, single,

510
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: don't sacrifice for kids, not married, go home on your device.

511
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: You start believing wealth makes people think they're impenetrable, and

512
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: I think Aaron's gotten strange. So here's my question about that,

513
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: because I think you're single. The single components are really interesting.

514
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: One that I hadn't thought of. But what it reminded

515
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: me of is Hollywood. And by that I mean, listen,

516
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: you live in LA and I don't listen. I'm not

517
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm not casting excursions for anyone's beliefs. But I've never

518
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: met in my day to day life as scientologist. Maybe

519
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: in LA you've come across a few. I don't know,

520
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: I've never met someone it's like, hey, what's your belief

521
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: They're like, I'm a scientologist, but it would appear that

522
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't know ten persent of the upper upper across

523
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: of Hollywood is And that to me is I mean

524
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: a similar It's not the same as what we're talking

525
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: about with Aaron, but it's it's on the same tree

526
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: of like, you know, I'm I have evolved past what

527
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: is contemporary thinking and I'm on an elevated plane. Yes,

528
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: and I So the point I'm making is I think

529
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: some of this is how people respond to overwhelming fame.

530
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: So I think like sometimes guys or people you know,

531
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: lean into drugs. With athletes, that's tougher because your body's

532
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: so important, right, So then what do you do with

533
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: this overwhelming thing. And I think in Hollywood we see

534
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like, none of the stuff Aaron's doing

535
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: would be considered that odd at all if you were

536
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: a movie star, right, do you agree it would be

537
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: considered really in fact of the movie stars, like you know,

538
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: Will Smith and Tom Cruise at different times with the

539
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: biggest movie stars in the world, all of this would

540
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: be very tame from what you know, what I mean,

541
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: I've read their different belief structures are right, So I

542
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: do wonder if Aaron almost crossed over through the jeopardy

543
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: and through the different circles he ran in from amazing

544
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: football player too, super famous guy who's great at football,

545
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: and in that world like it's it. I'm trying to

546
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: find the right analogy, but there are. It's just in

547
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: different circles, different things become acceptable. So you know, I

548
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time in the poker community, right,

549
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: and in that world, what guys are willing to gamble

550
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: high stakes of money on. In any other world people

551
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: would look at it if they'd be like, oh my god,

552
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: you have a crippling gambling problem. You need to go

553
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, need to go see someone.

554
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: But within that world it's totally normalized, and it's just

555
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: like that is just how people act. Right, So if

556
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: you're running in a circle of oh, it's totally normal

557
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: for you to not see a traditional doctor and totally

558
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: normal for you to try to have these awakenings, your

559
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: barrier for injury becomes so much shorter, so much lower. Meanwhile,

560
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: if I if you called me and you were like, Nick,

561
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: next time the herds off, I'm flying to Peru doing Iowaska,

562
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I'd be like, com are you okay? Like really, this

563
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: is what you're doing. But if you called me and

564
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, did it two months ago? It's

565
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: fucking awesome. Like then all of a sudden, it gives

566
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: you you feel much more comfortable. So if you're around

567
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: people that have done this, you know what I mean,

568
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: that's there. So that's what I think. That's the errand thing.

569
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: And I think that I haven't thought enough about the

570
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: lack of a spouse and how much that and maybe

571
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: that is maybe the spouse that isn't as famous, you

572
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, brings you down to a degree,

573
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, makes you I can't think

574
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: of the word, but normalizes you to a degree, and

575
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: so maybe that's an element of it. But I think

576
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: it's very clear that Aaron is a different type of

577
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: cat than we're used to with any pro athlete that

578
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: I can remember of his stature. Yeah, I think what

579
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: women do as they help you accountable. I said this

580
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: the other day on the air. You know half serious,

581
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant may goes to his wife. I'm gonna leave

582
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: Steph Curry, Steve Kerbbob Myers, the best culture in the league,

583
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: best team for Kyrie Irving and that mess in Brooklyn.

584
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: A wife would say, hell, you are, go by yourself,

585
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: Go have lunch with drama. Figure it out. That's what

586
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: my wife would do if if if if Kyrie Irving

587
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: was married and he said I'm not going to get

588
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: the vacs because wife would say, get to a damn pharmacy.

589
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: This is a team, I mean, get it for our kids.

590
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: What are you doing? But again, rich, single on your phone,

591
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: on your device, very self indulgent, and it's not really

592
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: a criticism, it's a reality. Bill Simmons talked about this.

593
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 1: You get rich and you get older. I could point

594
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: to two people in the media I know who have

595
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: now reached like late fifties, early sixties, never married, no kids,

596
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: no pets. They're odd. They've taken weird turns over the

597
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: last ten years. I think, you know at least one.

598
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm one of them. I know one of them. I'dn't

599
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: argue that guy was odd forever, but regardless, he's gotten odder.

600
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: That's first. Yeah, No, that that's a really you know,

601
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a smart point. Which is and I

602
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: think the other thing is and now I'm just really

603
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: wild speculation here. But the other thing is that comes

604
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: with not just marriage and with marriage and kids, is

605
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: you have so much less time that you just don't

606
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: have as much opportunity to fall down rabbit holes and

607
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: to get into bullshit, even if you want to, Like,

608
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: I don't know what you did this Sunday, I'll tell

609
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: you what I did. Drove three hours to upstate New

610
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: York to drop my girls off at camp, and then

611
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: drove three hours back. Now on the way back, did

612
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: I stop by a casino? I did? Because you still

613
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: find some time to get into some shit. However, that's

614
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: still that's eight hours of my day just gone. If

615
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't have them, do I been those eight hours?

616
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm like it? Do I wake up in the morning,

617
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, let me see what's going on Twitter,

618
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden is at four hours of

619
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: YouTube videos later, where all of a sudden, I had

620
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 1: very interesting opinions I didn't hold previously. Maybe you just

621
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: are so much and when you're when you know, for KD,

622
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's made it very clear, and I give

623
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: him credit for the transparency on it. He wants to

624
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, whoop and he clearly works incredibly hard at

625
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: his crack. But there's only so much basketball you can

626
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: playing a day, That's right. He's not a weight room guy,

627
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: so any so what's the rest of his day playing

628
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: video games, hanging out, smoking some weed, screwing around on

629
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the internet, And that, all of a sudden, even if

630
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: you're playing basketball six hours a day, playing basketball six

631
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: hours a day, sleeping eight, he got another ten to

632
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: just you know what I mean to just whatever, And

633
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: it is just it's a very different world when you're

634
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: busy all the time with things that aren't your own stuff. Also,

635
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: kids keep your real Let's now segue to the Patriots,

636
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Speaker 1: and I think Greg Popovitch has fallen into this and

637
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Speaker 1: Belichick has. When you're really successful, success warps even the

638
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: smartest people. I mean to listen to Nick Saban complain

639
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: about the nil because it'll hurt parody in the sport

640
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

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00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: He's lost his mind on that, right, because you start

642
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: to think empirically your opinion is just right. Because you're

643
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: beating people, you're smarter than people, you continue to dominate people.

644
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: I am better than people, and that's why it's important

645
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: to have people in your life that push back. I

646
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: think Popovich and Belichick have now bought into their system

647
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: more than they have the reality of their sport, which

648
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: is in the NFL, we used to think it was

649
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: a fifty fifty proposition star quarterback coach Brady Belichick. It

650
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: now appears to be about a seventy thirty proposition. Like

651
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: we know Andy Reid is brilliant, but you're going to

652
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: lose in the first round, and then you get Mahomes

653
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: and you're dominant, right yea. So Belichick now is using

654
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: a special team's coach, a defensive coordinator, and a cornerbacks

655
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: coach to coach's offense. And I think, like Popovich, success

656
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: has given him a belief and success does this to

657
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people I've met, is that he's so powerful,

658
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: so wealthy, his legacy is set, that nobody will go, Bill,

659
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: you've lost your mind in an era with a second

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00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: year quarterback in an offensive pivoting league, He's using a

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00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator to call plays. It's insane. So of course

662
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: it's insane. So here's my question. Is it that? My

663
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: question on this is because I think there was a

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Speaker 1: turning point in the Patriots season last year. I think

665
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: it's very clear it was that stupid Buffalo windstorm game.

666
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: They want it, they want it. It was Belichick to

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00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: me doing something very odd that seemed to be against

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Speaker 1: anything I had seen him doing his career. He was

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00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: always about winning this week, not you know, we're onto Cincinnati,

670
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 1: not worried about anything else. And it felt like that

671
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: game he wanted to win. What he really wanted to

672
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: do was win a certain way. As a giant middle

673
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: finger to everyone who thought he lost his fastball, I'm

674
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna show you that in twenty twenty one, I can

675
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: win a football game without throwing a pass. And they

676
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: threw three, and one of them seemed like mac Jones

677
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: audibled into and the reason I say it was the

678
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: pivot point is Mac was a different player after that.

679
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: They went one and four. The rest of the way.

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00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: Mac had one decent game was against the Jaguars. Every

681
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Speaker 1: other game they lost by double by multiple scores, by

682
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: an average of fifteen points, And it seemed like that

683
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: messed with his commence. But it seemed like Belichick was

684
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: trying to after Brady had won a Super Bowl and

685
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: all this stuff remind everyone, I'm the smartest guy out there.

686
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Speaker 1: Does it feel at all to you like he's doing

687
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: something similar right here? Like, oh, do you think I

688
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: needed Josh McDaniels, Well, how about I don't replace him?

689
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: And how about what would I bring in? Are two

690
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: guys who used to work for me then they left,

691
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: they failed. They were defense and special teams, and I'm

692
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: gonna win with them, and I don't think it's gonna work.

693
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: I think this is about like proving a point to

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Speaker 1: the world that the part of it that I don't

695
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: get is he didn't need to prove it. No one

696
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: argues about who the greatest coach ever is with respect

697
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: to build ourselves and Vince Lombardi and Walsh, everyone just

698
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: says Belichick. So I don't know what the chip on

699
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: the shoulder, where it comes from, but it seems like

700
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: he's at this point coming off his nose spider space.

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00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: Let me. I always think I like to be able

702
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: to see around corners, you know, be like six months

703
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: ahead of a story like this is going to happen.

704
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: It's fun for me, right, And so there's never been

705
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: a great movie with a bad ending. There is many,

706
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. There is no great novel with a

707
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: lousy final chapter. So I've said this, if Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: can sustain his health and coaches for seven to eight

709
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: more years and Belichick never gets over the turbulence, the

710
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: league clearly pivots the offense, and Andy Reid wins two

711
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: to three Super Bowls with Mahomes. The argument for best

712
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: football coach, ever, is going to feel a lot like

713
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: Lebron and Michael. Is that Andy Reid got to super

714
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: Bowls multiple quarterbacks. He won in the AFC, he won

715
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: in the NFC, he won with different owners. Belichick fired,

716
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: didn't work, got Brady Brady left didn't work. Is that

717
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: as the league moves to offense, if Andy coaches for

718
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: eight years, he's going to have eight really good years

719
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: just three super bowls that'll give him four, or we

720
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: are going to look at that greatest coach ever argument,

721
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: Andy is the single coach who's always given Belichick. We'll

722
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: go to head ahead meetings. You know he's already got

723
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Speaker 1: his number. What happens if he goes four and OZ

724
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: the next eight years against him three and oh? Do

725
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: you think I'm nuts on that? No? Well, I think

726
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: that it's hard to square with the fact that I'm

727
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,479
Speaker 1: pretty sure you're going to pick the Chiefs to miss

728
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: the playoffs this year. I'm not certain if you've done

729
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: that yet, but I would. I mean so, I'm not sorry,

730
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: but I don't think you're nuts. Here's what I think.

731
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: I think Belichick's obviously miles ahead in the race. I

732
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: think Bill needs to make the race unwinnable for any

733
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: other current coach one more good playoff run. I don't

734
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: think he needs to win a Super Bowl. I think though,

735
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Speaker 1: if he were to make the AFC Championship Game in

736
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: the next four years, I think that's that's enough to

737
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: make it to where he is two laughs ahead of

738
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: the fielden and he does inbenetrable because I don't think

739
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: Mac Jones is that good. I think Mac Jones is fine.

740
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: I think he is. I think his ceiling is Ryan Tannehill.

741
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: I think it's like, hey, can you be that guy?

742
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: And I think everyone knew that. And you know, my

743
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: buddy Kevin Wilds on the show gets so mad. He's like,

744
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: why do you pick all these second year quarterbacks to

745
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: take a leap and not mac Jones. It's because the

746
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: same reason he went fifteenth in the draft, because everyone

747
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: knew he was the most pro running but also thought

748
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: he had the smallest room for improvement. And I don't

749
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: like anything the Patriot dumb, but set that aside. If

750
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: he can get to a conference championship game in this

751
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: conference with Josh Allen and Mahomes and Herbert and Burrow

752
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: and Lamar and all that, that would be like the

753
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: ultimate mic drop moment. But the flip side of that

754
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: is Belichick coaches four more years and doesn't make the playoffs.

755
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Then it's one of those where I don't believe in

756
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: legacies going backwards, but it certainly hurts because of what

757
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: Brady's done and because they like to if he keeps

758
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: going and the team, and it seems like the game

759
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: has passed him by that's not gonna be great again.

760
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: I'd love to speak it into existence for Andy. And

761
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not account the rings guy, so I

762
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: don't think Andy. Andy's gotta win six rings to be

763
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: the greatest coach ever. But your point on Andy going

764
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: to four straight NFC championship games with Donovan McNabb and

765
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: then going posting four straight with Patrick Mahomes, it's pretty

766
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: damn impressive. Is and one other thing as great as

767
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: Mahomes is and you obviously known what great I think

768
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: he is. It's not like mahomes profile coming out of

769
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: college is Peyton Manning, Like people are like, oh, suck

770
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: for Luck. Though the Chiefs won the line, he was

771
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: the third quarterback taking his own just second third quarterback

772
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: taking his own draft, you know what I mean. He's

773
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: the tenth pick. And so it's not like when he

774
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: got there people are like, oh, dynasty now locked in.

775
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Nobody thought that, And then except for the people who

776
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: were practicing with him, we were comparing him to Brett

777
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: Farve after a month, and so yeah, that is interesting.

778
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: I like to take I do wonder you said it,

779
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: and you said it kindly. I wonder how much longer

780
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: and he's gonna coach, you said, if his health holds up,

781
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: like you know, he's had some tough personal tragedies obviously,

782
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: but if he's I would imagine he's having more fun

783
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: now than he's ever had in his career. And unlike Belichick,

784
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: he hasn't dealt with this coaching staff turnover. That's the

785
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: big thing that he helps the Chiefs this year. Josh

786
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: Allen lost Brian Dable, you know what I mean. The Patriots,

787
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: who I don't think are a contender though they lost

788
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: people we've talked about. The Broncos are gonna be this

789
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: great team. It's a new head coach. We'll see if

790
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: he's good. A lot of the Ravens lost their defensive coordinator.

791
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: No one will hire a poor Arab b enemy, so

792
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: and so the Chiefs has keep their coordinators every which

793
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: That continuity's super helpful, all right. John middlecof former NFL Scout,

794
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: host of Three and Out and the Golow Pod for

795
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: the volume of Sports Network. So I watched the New

796
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: York Giants. I wanted to see the first couple of drives.

797
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: My takeaway, as Daniel Jones is just okay, we may

798
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: get a better version with Brian Dable, the head coach,

799
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: the old line appeared overwhelmed as the Patriots blitzed. It

800
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: felt like on every down. You know, I was, I

801
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: was saying this that I don't think fans understand sometimes

802
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: Joan that owners more owners than you think. Metal Eric

803
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: Mangini has told me incredible stories from both the Browns

804
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: and the Jets, and I think the Maras, because they

805
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: drafted this kid at six, want to see it through

806
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: this year and I just don't see it. With Daniel

807
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: Jones on the first drive, he had a ball out

808
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: in the flat. Any top fifteen quarterback in the leg

809
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: hits that fifteen to fifteen times, flies it over his head.

810
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: You know he can hit a slamp well, shit, everybody

811
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: in the league can hit a slant every every backup.

812
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: You know, college guys can hit a slamt. I feel

813
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: like the Giants at this point, and I never thought

814
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: i'd say this. I think they're being held back by

815
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: their ownership. I really do. Well, if you did well,

816
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: you think about it. Do you remember that moment when

817
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Coughlin was fired, retired and he left the stage and

818
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: he didn't shake Mar's hand and he stormed out of

819
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: the room. Well, ever since that moment, they've gone through

820
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 1: Pat Schremer, Gettleman and Joe Judge. It's been an absolute

821
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: disaster for about four and a half years now, and

822
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: that team's terrible. And for as bad as listen, you

823
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: and I could be an owner and we'd miss on

824
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: hiring coaches. That's really hard. But to stick with Dave

825
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: Gettleman in that situation over that period of time and

826
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: let him draft. I mean when he drafted Daniel Jones

827
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: and I knew people that do the sec and go

828
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: through Duke, he was well liked. You know, he was

829
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: an intriguing prospect. It's clear right, he's big, he can move,

830
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: he's got a live arm. He's not that accurate. It

831
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: turns the ball overlave, But take him sixth overall, you know,

832
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: even if you're gonna take a swing on a project

833
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: who's got a long way to go. Jordan Love went

834
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Speaker 1: at the end of the twenties to take the guy

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Speaker 1: sixth overall. Take a running back in the league. Let's

836
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: face it is trending away hard from that at two overall.

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00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: These guys are inheriting into a dumpster fire. They really are.

838
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: And this GM had a front row seat and one

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00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: of the great turnarounds we've seen in recent memory in

840
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the Bills. I think everyone that knows him in the

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00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: league entirely of him and Brian day Ball. Let's face it,

842
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: before Josh Allen, what he did with Josh Allen, he

843
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of credit, is beyond impressive, right, but

844
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: his resume before that, you know, as an offensive coordinator,

845
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Speaker 1: wasn't great. So I think the best thing they could

846
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: ask for is just bottom out would be terrible and

847
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: be in the position which what looks like to be

848
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: a fantastic quarterback. Draft and draft a guy and kind

849
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: of start over and maybe Daniel Jones. You know, Alex

850
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: was more accurate. But I do think there's some Alex

851
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: Smith qualities of just the there's a lot there. He's

852
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: a high level guy. Maybe someone maybe get with n

853
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, get get in a high level organization. Just

854
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: kind of resurrect your career, even if it takes being

855
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: a backup, because there are going to be a lot

856
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: of people that are just gonna blame the giants. You know,

857
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: he got his ass kicked through Schermer and then the

858
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: Joe Judge situation. But yeah, he's as of right now

859
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: on this team. I mean they're not set up guys

860
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: dropping balls, Colin hitting him in their hand. I mean,

861
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's gonna be ugly this year in New York. Yeah,

862
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, I said this about Jimmy Garoppolo is we

863
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: don't need to go on about what he is. But

864
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, to me, sort of big game Jimmy, he's

865
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: often very good in the two minute drill. He can

866
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: be really good. Sometimes on the road there's a ceiling,

867
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: But I never worry about him getting tight. I just

868
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: think he's a limited, a limited player who's an accurate thrower.

869
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: But I said this, if you brought in Jimmy g

870
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: to like let's say the Seahawks or the Giants, he's

871
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: your best quarterback this year, and even if you draft

872
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: a quarterback top five, he's better than him next year.

873
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: And then he becomes the third gear as you're not

874
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: paying your quarterback. Potentially you move him or he's a

875
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: great mentor. I don't get the reluctance with Jimmy Garoppolo.

876
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: You've seen him throw at practice over the last two weeks.

877
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, Yeah, he looks just the

878
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: normal Jimmy. I mean, you walk out to practice. It's

879
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: a normal, bizarre situation. What team transitions to a new

880
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: quarterback leaving a guy like Jimmy still around, because usually

881
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: that guy creates. You know, if Drew Rosenhouse was his

882
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: agent or whatever, it would be fireworks, right, Get rid

883
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: of my guy, release him, let him pick and choose.

884
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: But from what I've been told is Jimmy does not

885
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: want the controversy, and there's no one right now really

886
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: to go because those places, Like does he really want

887
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: to go to Seattle or New York? Probably not. I

888
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: think he's hoping this Cleveland thing, you know, materializes. He

889
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: goes there, good team, kind of resurrects his value and

890
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: then get some money this offseason as a free agent.

891
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: I hear you on that one. The only problem is

892
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: he's good enough to win you some games. And if

893
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm Seattle and definitely in New York, I want to

894
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: bottom out. You know. It's like it's like in the NBA,

895
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: I want to have a chance for that number one

896
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: overall pick, and we don't quite know who it's gonna be. Like,

897
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: there's not like uh, Andrew Locker, Trevor Lawrence, for sure,

898
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean there are several guys. I don't think. You know,

899
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: Bryce is small, right, CJ's a little bigger, but he's

900
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: not his mobile. It'll be interesting. I mean, this college

901
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: season is gonna play out and one guy will kind

902
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: of separate you'd think at the top. But there are

903
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 1: several of them. So if i'm those two teams, I'm

904
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: not messing with it. And Houston, I know they really

905
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: like Davis Mills, and you know he's drafted in the

906
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: third round. We have several guys in the league, right,

907
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: your guy, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Kurk Cousins. Like we've

908
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: seen in recent memory, some third, fourth, fifth round picks

909
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: become very viable starters. Definitely third and fourth, and Davis Mills, big,

910
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: good arm, Stanford Smart. You know, Seattle's got nobody, and

911
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: obviously the Giant's got nobody. But I would I would

912
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: shed head to the seller if I'm them, before I

913
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: messed with Gimy. I hear what you're saying. If I

914
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: was Jimmy, I would not want any part of either

915
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: of those places. Though. Yeah, okay, so you've been at

916
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Niners practice, you know I totally understand when fan fan

917
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: is short for fanatic. Don't want to hear the truth.

918
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: But I've got four different sources that Trey Lance struggles

919
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: with accuracy. You've been at practice, you see it. He

920
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: has good days in bad days. I think it's gonna work,

921
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: mostly because I have such confidence in the roster Kyle Shanahan.

922
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: I've always said the Niners offense is not quarterback centric.

923
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: It's quarterback friendly. You don't have to be great. But

924
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: you've watched Trey Lance. What do your eyes tell you? Yeah,

925
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: up until two days ago, I mean, I've been a

926
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: roller coaster inaccurate. You know, he's about fifty percent when

927
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: even in his backups, you know, almost seventy percent. So

928
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: that's an issue. The one thing it is and to

929
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: win in this league, even with a coach like Kyle

930
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: Shanahan that loves running the ball in their defense, is

931
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: gonna be fantastic. Jimmy Garoppolo is really good on third down.

932
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 1: And what's third down? Usually it's third and eight, it's

933
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: not third and one right, So you got to throw

934
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: either a longer pass right an intermediate route. And I

935
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: do think the last two days he's looked really, really good.

936
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: Now what he has going for him like Mahomes several

937
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: years ago, is he's inheriting a really good team, yeah,

938
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: and a really good coach, and they're unlike even Mahomes

939
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: that first year, his defense is going to be fantastic

940
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: and offensively. The one thing with practice, with his quote

941
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: unquote inaccuracy is they're really him and Debo are trying

942
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: to develop down the field. I think they're just trying

943
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 1: to see if there's something there, because you know, Debo

944
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: behind the line of scrimmage, quick screens, hand them the ball.

945
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: They've really kind of forced that, and that's what training

946
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: camps for. The Other thing is Kittle and Bosa are

947
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: on kind of unique training camp packages. It's like, we

948
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: know what these guys are, we need seventeen of these

949
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: not they're proving nothing. So Kittle's not a huge part

950
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: of practice, and he's gonna be like if he had

951
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: practic he's a great practice player. Clearly, the Niners are like, listen,

952
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: you come into great shape. We're cool, we'll just skis in.

953
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna add five, six eight percent to Trey immediately right,

954
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: big target, it's quarter. Yeah. But ultimately, what Kyle like

955
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: I worked for Andy Reid Andy Reid loves to throwing

956
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: the ball. That's why he ultimately needs a throwing quarterback,

957
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: and him and Mahomes are match made in football heaven.

958
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: Kyle does not. I mean, his family motto is run

959
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: the football, and he is going to run the football

960
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: a lot. And they have so many running backs and

961
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: their offensive line can run block at Kittle, use check.

962
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, they're one of the only teams that use

963
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: the fullback. And he's a fantastic player, so they basically

964
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: have seven offensive lineman. I do think Trey he'd have

965
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: to be pretty bad for them to struggle. Colin. I

966
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be pretty good unless he just employes,

967
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: which is always possible. Football is hard. But he's a

968
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: high level guy. He's gonna make some mistakes. I know

969
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: you and me agree on this. Like picks, I can

970
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: live with picks. It's just the as we talked about

971
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Are you airmail someone on third and eight

972
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: when the guy's open to keep the sticks moving? Tie game,

973
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. It's plays like that that you're gonna have

974
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: to live with him improving as the season comes on

975
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: or goes on. But I do think there's a lot

976
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: there to be very bullish on as a player the volume.

977
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