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Speaker 1: The coin Bureau Podcast is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: There was such energy and kind of palpable excitement there

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Speaker 1: on the Thursday because everyone, myself included, was expecting another

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Speaker 1: big announcement. Okay, welcome everyone to a special edition of

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Speaker 1: the coin Bureau Podcast. I know, I know, we we've

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Speaker 1: decided to give him a real treat today. UM so

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Speaker 1: first of all, let's do the introductions. My name is Guy,

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Speaker 1: your name is mad Mike Mooch, and this is the

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Speaker 1: coin Bureau Podcast. And we where if we just got

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Speaker 1: back from from Myami baby Miami, that's right. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were in it last week. We were in Miami,

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Speaker 1: Florida for the Bitcoin two, the Big Bitcoin Conference, and

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Speaker 1: I thought we'd just get together for an episode and

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Speaker 1: just have a chat about our experience and our our thoughts,

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Speaker 1: what we saw, what we heard, what we think, the

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Speaker 1: conclusions we've drawn, and what we think this all means

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Speaker 1: for bitcoin and crypto and the world and everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so fairly comprehensive. Yeah, it should be quite a lot

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Speaker 1: to cover. Yeah, I mean it was NonStop from the

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Speaker 1: moment we got there, and we missed the first day

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Speaker 1: We were we were getting up, were getting settled in,

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Speaker 1: we were chatting to some people on the streets, but

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Speaker 1: we weren't in the actual convention. Yeah. Well, when we

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Speaker 1: when we were getting the tickets we had, because there

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Speaker 1: tickets because that's what we are with, were men of

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Speaker 1: the people, people of men. What's the word of the people.

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Speaker 1: Many of the people? Are we people of men? Possibly?

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we just when I I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously general admission tickets, I mean they weren't cheap.

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Speaker 1: There there was several hundred dollars a general mission ticket.

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Speaker 1: little bit at some point, because yeah, it's not cheap,

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Speaker 1: not cheap just to go there, even if you didn't

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Speaker 1: there was that. And yes, so industry tickets were even

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Speaker 1: It seemed to be very very much business focused this one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, That's the thing that I

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Speaker 1: took away from this, Like there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: what people were referring to as retail, which is just

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Speaker 1: around other people of a like mind. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was. There was. There was certainly plenty of any

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Speaker 1: And and we went into the exhibition hall, didn't we?

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Speaker 1: And we did you did you see any of that?

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Speaker 1: I went in because we were there with a couple

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Speaker 1: done less serious things than than Rosted, who are more

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Speaker 1: deserving of pardons. And I thought that was a strong,

430
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: strong conviction to not just say yes and get get

431
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: the get the get the likes. Yeah. Yeah, I thought

432
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: given the audience and the setting, you know, many I

433
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 1: think many lesser people would have gone, yeah, let's get

434
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: him out. And I was really impressed that he gave that,

435
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: he gave that answer. I thought, this is a guy

436
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: who you know, who says what he thinks and it

437
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't doesn't play to the to the crowd, doesn't

438
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 1: play to the gallery. So I was I was really

439
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: impressed with So that was that was the over we

440
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: get it. You want to marry Yang, I want to

441
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: marry Yang. I want to work. Yeah. I mean I

442
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: think he's I think he's a really exciting guy, and

443
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: I think we're going to hear a lot more of

444
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: him in the future. So that was the overcoming inertia panel.

445
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: I should say to anyone listening as well, if if anything,

446
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: we talk about any of these talks and events and

447
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: discussions that we that we discuss ourselves, they are on

448
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: the Internet. They are on YouTube, so if you want

449
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: to go back and watch, the whole event was live

450
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: streamed um and so you can go back and watch.

451
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: It was so well done. It was slick. It was really,

452
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: really really and I didn't go to the previous year

453
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: one or the previous one that was not it took

454
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: wasn't the previous year had been in Miami as well.

455
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: And from the people I spoke to, because I asked

456
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people who came up to say hig,

457
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: I said, oh is this your Is this your first

458
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: time at the conference, and a lot of them it was,

459
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 1: but quite a few people had been to previous ones

460
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: and low two people said last year's was great, but

461
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: it was a bit of a mess. It was. It

462
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: was a bit more loose kind of this was, okay,

463
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: we're here to do business. Crypto is serious. The last

464
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: time it seemed like it was a bit more of

465
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: a kind. It was a bit more jokey, like the

466
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: giants sumo wrestlers, and people mentioned that, yeah, so actual

467
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: sumo wrest not just guys in suits. Yeah, which maybe

468
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: they were into crypto or maybe they were just shipped

469
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: into I think someone said that you could you could

470
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: wrestle them and if you beat them you could win

471
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: a bit coin. Really, I think, um, why don't you

472
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: just go listen, dude, let's throw this and I'll give

473
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: you half a bit quin. Yeah, And I think that

474
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: was the vibe that I got that that that last

475
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: year bit had been a lot more sort of I

476
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: don't know, free form loose, a bit more chaotic. And

477
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: of course now last year's it is worth talking about

478
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: last year's conference as well, because last year it was

479
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: obviously really generated the headlines because we had this big

480
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: announcement from Najib bu Kelly, who was the president of

481
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: El Salvador, that El Salvador was adopting bitcoin as legal

482
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: tender and this was huge and this and that really

483
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: set the tone for this year's conference as well, because

484
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: and this I think is why there was such a

485
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: sense of palper But there was such energy and kind

486
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: of palpable excitement there on the Thursday, because everyone, myself included,

487
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: was expecting another big announcement of that kind and to

488
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: be honest, we didn't get it. Well, you didn't, you didn't.

489
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: There was big news, there was, there was big positive news,

490
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: but not this not ahead of state going Hey, we're

491
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: gonna We're gonna take this. Yeah, So there's been a

492
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: lot of speculation beforehand that we were going to get

493
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: another basically another whole state adopt bitcoins. You were saying

494
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: you thought maybe Tonga, Tonga, Tonga was in the running

495
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: because you know, Tonga is kind of dollar dependent, like

496
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: El Salvador, it's relied. I think it's about forty of

497
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: Tonga's GDP comes from remittance payments, basically, you know, Tongans

498
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: who have migrated elsewhere sending money back to friends and family. Really,

499
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: so this is a great sense of Western Union watch out. Yeah,

500
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: because Yeah, so there's been there's been a lot of

501
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: talk that Tonga could be on the verge of bitcoin adoption.

502
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: So I was I was hoping that that we might

503
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: get that sort of announcement that also been talked that

504
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: Honduras was considering it. There were there were several countries

505
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: sort of in the mix, so everyone was kind of

506
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: expecting um a an announcement like that. And also President

507
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: Bikelly Bickelly him self was due to appear and and didn't,

508
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: so basically at the last moment he canceled. And I

509
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: didn't realize this at the time, and I was so

510
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: busy sort of chatting to people and kind of taking

511
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: in the conference that I sort of missed the fact

512
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: that that he had been supposed to appear, but anyhow

513
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: he had to cancel. And that's because apparently, um as

514
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: you may know, El Salvador has a real problem with

515
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: criminal gangs, and I think he just couldn't. He's too

516
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: busy dealing with that, which does kind of serve as

517
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: a reminder. You know, all we talk about in crypto

518
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: at the moment is El Salvador, and you know, in

519
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: terms of Bitcoin adoption and the Bitcoin city and the

520
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: Volcano bonds and all this sort of stuff, and you

521
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: you forget that actually there's a lot more to what

522
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: currency it's using, what the legal tender is. El Salvador

523
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: has real many issues like every country, like every country. Yeah,

524
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: but El Salvador's I think is MS thirteen is up

525
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: from there or yeah, I think MS thirteen originates from

526
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: El Salvador. You know, they've got a real problem with

527
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: gang violence, which which is which is a product of

528
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: poverty and inequality. So you can you can you can

529
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: argue that that bitcoin is is trying to fix that

530
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: and and his decision to to make bitcoin legal tender

531
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: from last year is is very much with that in mind,

532
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, to try and to try and drag the

533
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: country out of the poverty that is in out of

534
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: the dollar dependency which has been really really bad for

535
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: it in its economy and its people. Anyhow, So yeah,

536
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: President mkelly didn't show, which was I think a bit

537
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: of a disappointment really for for a lot of people.

538
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: And so we had so Sampson Moe who is a

539
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: former used to work at block Stream and is now

540
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: basically kind of in charge of of promoting bitcoin adoption

541
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: around the world and trying basically head of legal tender,

542
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: if you like, he's trying to get other countries to

543
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: adopt bitcoin. He had he had an announcement and everyone

544
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: was sort of like, Okay, here we go, and we

545
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: didn't really get what we were after. So what we

546
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: did get is the announcement. Basically three countries were kind

547
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: of represented at this at this you know, at this announcement.

548
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: So a part of Honduras rower Town Island, which is

549
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: you know, a sort of a kind of fairly autonomous

550
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: zone I think of Honduras is is going to adopt bitcoin.

551
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: Madeira obviously again the kind of semi autonomous part of

552
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: Portugal is going to adopt bitcoin, and there was also

553
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: hints that Mexico could be considering it. Now it's important

554
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: to state that this this kind of phrase adopt bitcoin

555
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: is a little woolye, you know, it's not None of

556
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: them were really going to the extent of of of

557
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: making bitcoin legal tender. So what's the difference there, Well,

558
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: legal tender. The definition of legal tender means that not

559
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: only is its you know, not is it used in

560
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: in every day you know, in the everyday functioning of

561
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: the economy, but you can also you can also pay

562
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: your taxes in it. You know, it's an officially recognized

563
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: government currency. And yeah, this this just didn't these conditions,

564
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: you know that it's all that they're adopting bitcoin. I

565
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: think I think Madeira is not going to tax bitcoin

566
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: things like that. So we didn't quite get the announcement

567
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: that we're hoping for bitcoin adoption is continuing. You know,

568
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: this isn't the end of the road, and I still

569
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: think we are going to see more countries adopted, but

570
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: we just didn't get the headline announcement that we wanted

571
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: and with Mexico. I mean, we had a Mexican senator

572
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: and she was saying, oh, you know, we're we're going there.

573
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: There are new talks happening. We're going to be discussing

574
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: it in in parliament and and and that sort of stuff.

575
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, I mean that's it's on the agenda.

576
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: It's on the agenda. Yeah, and I will get back

577
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: to you. Yeah, and looking into it, looking into it afterwards,

578
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean I get the impression that it's still kind

579
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: of a bit of a fringe idea. And I mean,

580
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, if Mexico does go down that route,

581
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: that would be huge because I think Mexico is one

582
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: of the you know, one of the world's largest economies,

583
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's definitely in the top like

584
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: twenty largest economies, a big you know, and that would

585
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: so that would be a big, big move. Yeah, I

586
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: think we're I think we're still a little way off that.

587
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: So there was Yeah, I think there was a slight

588
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: sort of disappointment in the air that we that we

589
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't get that we didn't get that, and perhaps we

590
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: should I think perhaps we shouldn't have, you know, expected

591
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: so much because well, I think we all know that

592
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: this is going to be a slow process, you know, Domino,

593
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: that the dominoes aren't going to fall sort of in

594
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: rapid succession. So although although it's a little disappointing, there's

595
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: still a lot of positives to take from it. You

596
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: know that the show goes on. Um So we also

597
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: the other big event of the day, which I missed

598
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: because I was I was filming a documentary. Who asked

599
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: me to ask me to be in their documentaries and

600
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: that kind of overrand a bit. So I actually missed

601
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: Jack Malus, who is the who's the twenty something CEO

602
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: of Strike you know, he's a real a real showman.

603
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: And he announced that he announced that they were going

604
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: to say bitcoin in the future. Yes, so Strike is

605
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: integrating Shopify. Strike Oh, Strike not Strike, Strike, Stripe is

606
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: something different. So yes, so they're going to integrate with

607
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Shopify and make Bitcoin payments possible over the Lightning network

608
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and this and Shopify is obviously a big, global, big,

609
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: big Yeah. So this was again, this was this was

610
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: good news for adoption. It wasn't perhaps again it wasn't

611
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: perhaps sort of the show stuff whether we were expecting,

612
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: but it was still really good news, you know, so

613
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: so bitcoin adoption continues, and that was that was kind

614
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: of the first day, really so. And I must say

615
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: I left the conference, as you know, late that afternoon.

616
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: We we both left the conference at the same time,

617
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: didn't we. And I just really felt even though we

618
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: hadn't had the you know, quite the announcements that we're

619
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: hoping for, I felt really on top of the world. Yeah,

620
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: I felt really great. It's been exhilarating, exhausting, interesting fun

621
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: all of these things, so um and what we kind

622
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: of wandered home, didn't We along wandered back to our

623
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: hotel along Collins Avenue, and we stopped and had some

624
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: panicle artists, panicle arders, some chicken wings, some kalamari, and reminisced.

625
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: And I must say, it's been a long time since

626
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I had a panicle arder, and that really showed me

627
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: what I've been missing. Yes, I could quite happily, I

628
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: could quite happily have had many more of those, with

629
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: no doubt disastrous results. But yeah, they really know how

630
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: to do a cocktail in Miami. They do. We had

631
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: and big ones as well. You can get margarite is

632
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: the size of your head wow. Wow, And I mean

633
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: that's that's that's some head Yeah. I think we I

634
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: think we were probably right to avoid a head sized margharita.

635
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: But yeah they yeah. I mean we had some great

636
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: weird and mohitoes, didn't we? I think? Did you have

637
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: a Kiperna Gnia and Margarita's are? It's just it was lovely.

638
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: Lots of sugar, Yeah, lots of sugar that week, and

639
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: I must say I was absolutely exhausted that night. But

640
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I you know, well, it's it's it takes it out

641
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: of your traveling and then coming from England to sort

642
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: of a sweltering hot country like state like Miami. Yeah,

643
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: and then you're just on your feet all day. Yeah,

644
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, walking walking, walking, talking talking talking. There wasn't

645
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: very much seating outside of the conference area. No, no,

646
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 1: I think I think it seemed to me as though

647
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: it was kind of designed to keep people on their feet,

648
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: keep people moving and doing, which I guess is what

649
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you want to do a thing that you know you've

650
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: got a limited time. I mean, the vibe that the

651
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: point very much is, isn't it. It's come and get

652
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: your money's worth, get around, see people, talk to people,

653
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: do things, you know, make close, the deal closed, the flash. Um,

654
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: so before we take us talk about day two? Should

655
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: we take another quick break? Little five? So this was

656
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: day two, So this was the Friday, and I think

657
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I certainly got the impression. I don't know about you, Mike,

658
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: but I certainly got the impression that the mood was

659
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: a little a little more exhausted. Yeah, I think I

660
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: think it was. It's kind of the same. The different speakers,

661
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: but everything else was very much the same. Yeah, it

662
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: just felt a little more low key. And I think

663
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: there were I think there were two reasons. I think firstly,

664
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: the day before we had really had the announcement that

665
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: perhaps we were hoping for. And I should also point

666
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: out as well that throughout the conference, like the price

667
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: of the bitcoin and crypto market had taken a bit

668
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: of a dip slightly before the conference, and I must

669
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: say I didn't feel I didn't feel that at all

670
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: on the first day because there were sort of screens,

671
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: weren't there the bitcoin bitcoin it was around. Yeah, I

672
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: thought three, yeah, forty three, thinking a bit more of

673
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: a dip. Now it has, yeah, it has. And I

674
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: did wonder that when we when we were flying over

675
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and I checked. I checked prices before we left, and

676
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I did wonder whether that dip in price would have

677
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: an effect on the conference, on the general vibe. And

678
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't pick on pick up anything like that

679
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: myself on the first day. I think on the second day,

680
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: perhaps there was a bit of that in the air.

681
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: As I said, we didn't, we didn't hadn't had the

682
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: kind of show stopping announcement that perhaps a lot of

683
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: us had hoped for. And also it was a bit

684
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: more overcast on the second and day, isn't it. So

685
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: that was maybe why. And obviously everyone had probably gone

686
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: out the night. I think probably also maybe a major factor.

687
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: Everyone's there, like the majority of people probably were there,

688
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: just got their first day, classic holiday move right, let's

689
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: go big. It did seem a lot more vibrant on

690
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: the streets on the on the Thursday than it did

691
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: on the Friday. Yeah, yeah, very true, just walking down

692
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: the streets, just the number of people, bitcoin people. Yeah,

693
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is Thursday a bigger day than Friday?

694
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: It isn't the city, Yeah, I don't know if it's

695
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: the same in Miami. You think Friday is probably a

696
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: bigger day. I mean, certainly on on Thursday, Yeah, it's

697
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: it seemed to be. It certainly seemed to be kicking

698
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: off in the bar at our hotel. It did seem

699
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: busier on the Thursday. It was a bit busier on

700
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: the Friday. I don't know, maybe no, no, what Yeah,

701
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 1: these Miami these Miami people, Yeah, they just do whatever.

702
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: They likely do it every day, every day. Every day

703
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: is a part in my Like on the Wednesday when

704
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: we got there, it was it was jumping and jumping.

705
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it's Wednesday, and we weren't even it wasn't like

706
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: we're in the heart of it. We were kind of

707
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: off the beaten track. But still the bar was it

708
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: was busy full, it was busy. Yeah, so um yeah,

709
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: so it was. It was slightly more low key vibe.

710
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: And obviously you know us rock and rollers that had

711
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: a couple of penical arders the night before. I mean,

712
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have gone a lot

713
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: harder than that. There was a lot of talk about

714
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: the party sort of scene. Loads of people who I

715
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: spoke to said, oh, are you going to any parties?

716
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: You know what, what have you got planned? And I

717
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: was sort of like, well, you know, we had a

718
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: couple of kind of invites that I was keen to

719
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: go to, but I was also sort of I don't know.

720
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm you know, we've had a long flight over,

721
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: we've had a really busy day. I wasn't if we

722
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: go too hard, then you're gonna miss a lot of

723
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: what's on off for the next day. You don't want

724
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: to miss the speakers and stuff like that. So it's

725
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: kind of it's uh, and I'm not blessed with this

726
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: anymore where I can just party and then just be

727
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: normally functioning the next day. You used to be an animal.

728
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I used to mad Mike mooches mild Mike. Should we

729
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: change there? From this episode? I think we need I

730
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: think you need a rebrand. Yes, certainly, certainly my fleeting

731
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: days of being able to, you know, have a fairly

732
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: big nights and then get stuff done. The next they

733
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: are they are gone. So, having said that, day to

734
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: obviously a slightly lower key vibe, but there were some

735
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: there were some pretty cool speakers on the roster yes

736
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: for day two, so we got there a little later on.

737
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson also Senator Cynthia Lummis, who is

738
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: one of the most pro crypto people in Congress, and

739
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: the closing speech was the keynote was from Mike Novograts,

740
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: who is CEO of Galaxy Digital, which is one of

741
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: the big venture capital firms in all of crypto. So yeah,

742
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: as I said, we got there a little later and

743
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: I had a wander around, met more people again, just

744
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: kind of it was a bit more all, a bit all,

745
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: a bit more chilled. But then we had Jordan Peterson

746
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and I mean he was great, wasn't he. Yeah,

747
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: he was great, and he likes to talk. He certainly does.

748
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: And I think this is that that that reminds me

749
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: of of something that I noticed that. Um. I think

750
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: in general, it would have been great if some of

751
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: these some of these discussions could have gone on a

752
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: lot longer. I mean, some of the it seemed like

753
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: that the brakes were put on it a little bit

754
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: and it could be like, Okay, cool, we'll carry this

755
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: on backstage, live stream it so everyone can get a

756
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: bit more turned into a podcast. We got us involved.

757
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: They should have gone yeah, I mean they should My

758
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: Heart were her I Heart were there, Yeah, they were

759
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: um shout out to the Heart crew. Um so Yeah,

760
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson was great, he said, he talked about well,

761
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: they talked about a lot of things, didn't They talked

762
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: about bitcoin. I've got some quotes that I wrote down

763
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: a few of Jordan Peterson's quotes here. I'm not going

764
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: to try and do his voice, because I can only

765
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: do one voice. As you pointed out, the most appropriate

766
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: way to understand something is to try it. So for

767
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: anyone out there who's listening and who's interested in crypto

768
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: but hasn't taken hasn't taken that plunge yet, you know,

769
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: I really that is very true, I think because it's

770
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: only when you first It's it's only when you buy

771
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: your first few dollars worth of bitcoin. And so many

772
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: people I've spoken to have said that, you know, it's

773
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: like I bought some and then I was checking my

774
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: portfolio every day. It's like, once you've got to use

775
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: the I think, as Jordan Peterson said the cliche, once

776
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: you've got skin in the game, you know that it

777
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: really focuses you, really focuses your attention. So I thought

778
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: that was that was a good a good quote of his.

779
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, they talked about sort of the um small government,

780
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, he's very he's very kind of anti anti

781
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: big government and and things like that. And he also

782
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: talked about there was he used this really good analogy,

783
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: I think in terms of government, this this idea of

784
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: when something goes wrong, this idea of using of letting

785
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: small fires burn. And he used the analogy of forest

786
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: fires and he said, you know, it's some some sort

787
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: of some forests out there. They try and suppress all

788
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: these fires, all these small fires, and what all that

789
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: means is that kind of undergrowth and brushwood and stuff

790
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: builds up, and then eventually you have a huge fire

791
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: which has got so much fuel to burn that it's

792
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: catastrophe and it burns. And he said right down to

793
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: the bedrock. And he used this into this was a

794
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of analogy for, you know, for running the economy.

795
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: He said, if you let these small fires burn, which

796
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: are going to flare up every now and again, it

797
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: kind of keeps everything under control and it prevents these

798
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: larger fires. And I think you can say you can

799
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: argue that two thousand was a definitely large fire. Um.

800
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: And I thought that was a good analogy to use,

801
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and I think he talked a lot of sense there,

802
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: um and obviously he's very much in favor of the

803
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: free market and and letting the market decide. And um, yeah,

804
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: I think perhaps that there's there's a lot to be

805
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: said for you kind of have to let you kind

806
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: of have to let nature take its course, don't you.

807
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: Some some some things will survive and some won't. And

808
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: the you know, generally the ones that don't survive are

809
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: the ones that we're never going to make it. Anyway.

810
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: What else did Jordan Peterson say? You don't get success

811
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: without failure, And he also closed up, so he's sort

812
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: of closed the guy, the guy he was chatting to,

813
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: This was a fireside chat. The guy who was chatting

814
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: to sort of asked him several questions at the end

815
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: and then and give him like five minutes to do. Yeah,

816
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you've got one minute. Then you've got one minute. He

817
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: could have gone on for I mean, he could have

818
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: gone on for an hour, couldn't he. I think one

819
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: of the questions was you know, what are you what

820
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: are you working on at the moment? And another thing

821
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: I think was what what gives you hope at the

822
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: moment or something like that. And anyway, so Jordan Peterson

823
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: went off on one about he's working on an app

824
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: to improve people's writing, and this was really Obviously I

825
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 1: have a bit of a background. I I I taught

826
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: writing once upon a time, and it's something that's it's

827
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: a big deal for me. I really believe in the

828
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: importance of good writing, and so it was great to

829
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: hear Jordan Peterson talk about this as well. And actually

830
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: this has come up before. There was a great crypto

831
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: report that came out at the end of last year

832
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: from a company called Massari, which is kind of crypto

833
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: analytics company, was written by Ryan Selkis, who's another really

834
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: really wise wise head in the crypto space. And actually

835
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that he brought up at the

836
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: end of this report, he just had a few sort

837
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: of general thoughts, and one of them was, if you

838
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: want to succeed, you need to learn to write well.

839
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: So I was interested to hear Jordan Peterson talk about that,

840
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: and he said, I mean, you know, he kind of

841
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: good writing equals good thinking. I think he said if

842
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: you can't if you can't write, it's because you can't think,

843
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: which was slightly more direct way than I would have

844
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: put it, but I think he had a really good

845
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: point actually, and so I think to anyone listening, that's

846
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: a good that's a good kind of non crypto takeout

847
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: from Jordan Peterson. If you like, learn to write, let's

848
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: pay attention to your because it is one of the

849
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: most important ways in which we communicate. Very very very wise. Yeah,

850
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: he's wise, isn't he? And I think he said he

851
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: had an app. I think it was called essay or

852
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: something that's coming out. He said that they're developing it

853
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: with his son. One of the things that was tricky

854
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: was basically to the traditional way of getting better at

855
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: writing is to write and then someone has to read

856
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: it and then yeah, give you feedback on it, which

857
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: is incredibly labor intensive. And also if the person who

858
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: is reading it and giving you feedback is not very

859
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: good at writing, then it's not not really learning, that's right.

860
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: And if you are really good at writing and having

861
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: free thoughts, then you're probably gonna be doing something better

862
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: with your time then grading other people and teaching them.

863
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: That's right, wasn't He was sort of saying, you know,

864
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm having to spend time reading my

865
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: students essays and they're no good, you know, I'm wasting

866
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: my time. As well. Yeah, it was very good. And again,

867
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: like I said, I think you'll be able to find

868
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: if you're interested in in in listening to the whole discussion,

869
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: you can watch it back on YouTube. And I think

870
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: that was definitely one of my highlights. Jordan Peterson obviously

871
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: a very controversial figure, but yeah, I I really enjoyed that.

872
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him. I certainly hadn't seen him speak

873
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: live before. I know I have sort of seen him

874
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 1: on film before. Um so that was that was great.

875
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: I brought his book. I didn't think the right was great. Ouch,

876
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I'm joking. I bought the audiobook. Um So who else

877
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: was that? Yeah, Cynthia lummis the pro crypto politician, Um

878
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: she was. She was good to listen to as well.

879
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: Um and sort of spoke about the importance of basically

880
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: her kind of thing was the importance of of getting clear,

881
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: sensible crypto regulation from Capitol Hill. And again, this is

882
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: something I couldn't agree more with. You know, there's regulation

883
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: is a real hot button issue in crypto at the moment,

884
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: in bitcoin and in crypto as a whole, and a

885
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: lot of people are a lot of I think a

886
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: lot of perhaps hardcore bitcoin is a bitcoin Max's old

887
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: schoolers are kind of against it, you know, they say

888
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 1: bitcoin should be free of regulation, and but I think

889
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: the general kind of pragmatic view is that we do

890
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: need to have to have some Yeah. I mean, for one,

891
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: thing is going to happen whether we like it or not.

892
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Regulation is coming. There is not really all that much

893
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: we can do about it. So what we can do

894
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: about it is fight for sensible informed regulation that is

895
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: going to help the crypto industry ground. And what is

896
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: regulation going to prevent and stop? Yeah? And I mean

897
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: you have bodies like the SEC, the Securities and Exchange Commission,

898
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: and they they exist to quote protect investors, and I

899
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: think there's a good argument to say that really a

900
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of what the SEC has been doing and saying

901
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: regarding crypto, it's kind of hard to see how are

902
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: you actually protecting investors? You know, I think I think myself,

903
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: you know, we need to have clear we need to

904
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: have regulation that's going to make it harder for scammers, Yeah,

905
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: criminals and things like that. You know, we need to

906
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: have regulation that allows crypto to grow because everything all

907
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: all of the scams and the and these sort of

908
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: sort of schemes that are affecting crypto have happened in

909
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: in the traditional traditional stocks finance financial world. Yeah. Yeah,

910
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 1: it's a really good point because so many people, I think,

911
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: take they make the assumption that kind of crypto has

912
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: opened up all these new scams. It's the it's the

913
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: it's the same sort of three card Monty trick exactly

914
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: that was played with you know, yeah, the scams that

915
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: the play is the same. It's just that they you know,

916
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: the scammers have got this new tool to use that

917
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: people don't really understand all that where you know a

918
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: lot of people and I'll tell you what is different

919
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: is that there are social media is here and it's

920
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: easier to manipulate people because like it's easier to you know,

921
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: get a few people on board, um, get people excited

922
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: in the in the in the age of celebrity and influences,

923
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's very very easy to have words with them,

924
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: and they have influence over a lot of people. And

925
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: if they don't care about their followers, you know, at all,

926
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: then they will sort of sign them up to a

927
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: Ponzi scheme or pump and dump or or a rug poll.

928
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: This this which are all phrases taken from from from

929
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: traditional finance. Yeah. Yeah, Ponzi schemes have been around, I

930
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 1: think since I think Charles Ponzi himself was operating in

931
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, so that you know, they're a hundred

932
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: years old. You know, these things have these things have

933
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: been going on forever. Crypto hasn't invented new scams. It's

934
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: just another way for you know, it's another tool that

935
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: scam us have, which what is interesting is that it's

936
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: harder sometimes, like with Bitcoin, it's harder to to do

937
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: some scams because it's all there on the ledger exactly, Yeah,

938
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: whereas with traditional fear money it's gone. Yeah. And in fact,

939
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: funnily enough, just yesterday I was making a video about

940
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: Chain Analysis, which is one of the which is the

941
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: biggest blockchain analytics company. And you know, my takeout from

942
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: the research I did from that video was if I

943
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: was a scammer, if I was you know, if I

944
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: was running one of these schemes, Crypto is really the

945
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: last thing that I'd use because it's all there on chain.

946
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: And I think crypto, you know, I think these I

947
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of these criminals are starting to realize

948
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 1: this that because we've had some huge hacks in crypto

949
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: in the last few months, and one of the big

950
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: takeouts from them is one of you know, one of

951
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: these things that happened that you see in the in

952
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: the wake of them, is that this money sits in

953
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: a wallet that can that everyone can see, but the

954
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: scammer can't cash it out. It's it's kind of useless

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: to them. So this is something that the crypto industry

956
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: is wrestling with and no one, I think is doing

957
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: more to combat these scams than the crypto industry itself.

958
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: And I think it needs it needs help. It needs

959
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: sensible guidance from Congress, from lawmakers, you know, not just

960
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: in America, as I say, but all across the you know,

961
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: it needs sensible regulation. And and another another aspect of

962
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: sensible regulation means that whoever whichever country it is, makes

963
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: these good regulations, you know, makes these informed decisions, will

964
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: have an influx, yeah, will enable crypto, the crypto industry

965
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: to grow in their country. And because the US has

966
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of dragged its feet on this to to a

967
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: large extent, what we're seeing now is lots of other

968
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: countries sort of getting ahead of them and going okay,

969
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, being much more welcoming to crypto, making much

970
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: more sensible, well thought out regulations and you know, basically

971
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: getting their slice of the pie. What country is that,

972
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: like Dubai Door, the U A Yeah, the U A

973
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: E has been very sort of pro crypto in its thinking.

974
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean just a few you just last week here

975
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 1: in the UK that the government started for the first

976
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: time in that I can remember making actual noises about yeah,

977
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: about attracting crypto businesses, about you know, some sensible regulation.

978
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: I think I think the Royal mint Is has been

979
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 1: instructed to issue its owner f t s, which yeah,

980
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: is a big is a big step. So I think

981
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: I think politicians around the world are kind of waking

982
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: up to the fact. It's like, okay, we do need

983
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: to regulate this, but we need to do it sensibly

984
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: and we need to understand. And to those politicians who

985
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: want to understand crypto better, I would say, check out

986
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: our videos or maybe start from episode one of this

987
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: podcast and and you're welcome. So so that was Cynthia Lummis. Yeah,

988
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: again one of the one of the kind of bright

989
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: lights on Capitol Hill and someone who is fighting for

990
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: this sensible crypto regulation. She is. She is a hero

991
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to too many of us in the crypto commune. A team.

992
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: And so the last thing that we saw that day

993
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: was Mike novergrats keynote speech. I don't think he said

994
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: anything particularly particularly controversial, but anything that I wasn't expecting.

995
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: He kind of you know, he I did quite like

996
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: it that he said, you know, there's there's no King

997
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: of Bitcoin, there's no duke, there's no you know, well,

998
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: there's there's Stoshi. Well, also Michael, Michael Sailor. So well, yes,

999
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: Michael say even yeah, Well he said, you know, Michael

1000
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: Sailor a lot of people kind of looked at him

1001
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: as the sort of main profit of bitcoin in you know,

1002
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: in Satoshi's absence, and he said, no, there's no there's

1003
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: no one person. I'm sure Sailor would agree with this. Yeah,

1004
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: and we're all we're all bitcoin. He's just the most

1005
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: prominent figure everyone wanted a bit of Michael Sayler. Yeah,

1006
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,479
Speaker 1: and Mike. He also called for you know, he also

1007
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 1: called for people to get involved as well. I've got

1008
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: a quote written one of his closing thoughts. Actually figure

1009
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: out how you can contribute and contribute and do it

1010
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was a really

1011
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: a really good call to arms. So that was that

1012
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: was kind of it for day two, wasn't it. Um?

1013
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: And that evening so we kind of we kind of

1014
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: went back. We got some dinner, didn't we, And then

1015
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: you kind of stayed in an eight chocolate. I did, um,

1016
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: and I went with the other guys to Miami Heat

1017
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: Miami Heat versus the Atlanta Hawks at the ft X

1018
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: Arena in a kind of over the water and kind

1019
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: of down arena. Yeah. Um, and that was that was

1020
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: really cool. Have you have you ever been to a

1021
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: basketball No? No, I'd love to have gone. Yeah, I'm sorry.

1022
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: We could have got eating chocolate watching soap operas well.

1023
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I'd love to say that you didn't miss anything, but

1024
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: you did because it was awesome. I'd never been to

1025
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: a basketball game before, and it was so enjoyable, Like

1026
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: the people watching was amazing, the game itself, like you know,

1027
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: so quick. Um, I mean I've seen it on I

1028
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. I'm not going to go on about this

1029
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: for long, but you know, one of the things that

1030
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: I loved most. I mean, you get in it's this

1031
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: huge arena, you know, seats up to the sky and um,

1032
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, my my experience of watching sports is generally

1033
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: confined to watching cricket at Lord's, which is you know,

1034
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: very sedate, and you know, something happens every kind of

1035
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: two hours that's exciting, and then it all settles down.

1036
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: Everyone just sits around drinking um. But a basketball game,

1037
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean Americans seem to have a pathological fear of

1038
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: of sort of happening. Yeah, a lull. I think that's

1039
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: what that seems to me to be what Americans fear

1040
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: most is a lull. Like literally every single moment, about

1041
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: five different things are going on. Um, and there's just

1042
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: music all the time, and it's really loud, and you know,

1043
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: there are literally a billion different things that you can eat.

1044
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: And there was a mascot going around just misbehaving himself,

1045
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: and there were dancers at there were dancers in between

1046
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: the second and third quarter, and you know, the the

1047
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: lights would go to me, music, all sorts of stuff.

1048
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: It was the sensory overload. It was a real sensory overloading.

1049
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: We sort of left at the end and we were

1050
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god. And it was act. It

1051
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: was a really good game. Actually, it kind of ebbed

1052
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 1: and flowed and the heat one, which was great. Um

1053
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was that was that was I'm glad

1054
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: that I managed to get in a sort of non crypto,

1055
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: general American experience. And I would certainly to anyone listening

1056
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen a basketball game before, I think it's

1057
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: like yourself, this guy, I think it's certainly worth it's

1058
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: certainly worth catching. Which brings us on to day three. Now,

1059
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: there was kind of music and stuff going on. I

1060
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: think it was Pride Week. I think it's Pride Week

1061
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: was about to happen as all because we were it was.

1062
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: It was a cacophony of different things, pilot, it was

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Speaker 1: spring breaking, crypto, Bitcoin two, Pride Week, and there was

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Speaker 1: something else I think that was going on. And it

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00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: was the weekend, and it was the week and this

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00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: is Miami, so it was busy, it was kicking off.

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Speaker 1: It was really busy. And the actual conference itself that

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00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: that was that that that Saturday, that kind of last

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: day was dedicated to kind of there were music events

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Speaker 1: and stuff. I think there were a couple of smaller talks,

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00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: but it was mostly. Yeah, there was those comedians which

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go catch, but we just didn't have time.

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Speaker 1: We had time to go grab some lunch, to walk

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Speaker 1: down Ocean Drive, get our respective half some some sort

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Speaker 1: of presence so that they don't leave us, and and

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00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: then we had to to get to the airport. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did want to. I didn't want to mention that.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to get your thoughts because obviously this

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Speaker 1: last day the conference itself, there were lots of music

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Speaker 1: events on. I mean, I think Dead Mouse was playing

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00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: Dead Mouse, Steve Aoki, there was some Hannibal Burs was there,

1082
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: Michael Rappaport, there are other comedians who have the names

1083
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: are Forgetting Me or Escaping Me, and it was it

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00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: was kind of the party day. Yeah, And I did

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00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of wonder, you know, I was like if i'd

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00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, if I had been going, you know, if

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Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of go to that third day

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: of the festival. I mean, to be honest, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: really all that taken with. I wasn't there to watch

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00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: music and DJs and comedy. Really, I was kind of

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00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: like having paid quite a few dollars for a ticket,

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00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously, you know, getting myself over there

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: from London and stuff, I would have been perfectly happy

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00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: to go and kind of do some more kind of

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00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,439
Speaker 1: crypto related things, you know. I think that I kind

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: of feel that there should have been a bit more

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Speaker 1: on rather than just a big sort of party. Now,

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00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: this could be the fact that I'm pushing forty and

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00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, boring, boring, old far but I

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00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: think I think I think that's one of the reasons.

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00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if it if it was that, but um,

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Speaker 1: this is something that Gharner's um press interest, do you

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01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So if you've got like last year,

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Speaker 1: Tim Dillon was there with the Winkle Vox Brothers, and

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01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: that was what alerted me to it, because I'm obviously

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01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: into comedy. Um, if we're trying to get young people,

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01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, into into this sort of ecosystem, then you're

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01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: gonna get to put on a party. And I think

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01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of And also I think it's just kind

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Speaker 1: of a nice end to the festival. It's kind of

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: two days of business one one day of of of party.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't go, but I'm sure it would

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Speaker 1: have been great. It looked like the setup was formidable. Yeah, huge,

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Speaker 1: huge stage, giant bullpit, lots of food trucks that looked

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: like it was going to be Yeah, there's some bands playing,

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: so you know, and and why not You've got all

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: these people there, and and it justifies I think the

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Speaker 1: ticket price as well a little bit. You know some

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Speaker 1: of the festivals. You know, you're gonna pay a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred is to go to a festival in America. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, I think perhaps, and I suppose it's

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01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: not all about you. It's not. It's not just about

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Speaker 1: what you will die. I don't like if there was

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Speaker 1: a little bit more shade, if we could turn the

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Speaker 1: volume down, a little bit more seating. Yeah, a decent

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Speaker 1: cup of tea. I know we're in America, but I

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01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: just want some PG tips and some unpasteurized milk. Any

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Speaker 1: brit who's been to America realizes that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: one thing that America is incapable of doing is making

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Speaker 1: a proper cup of tea. I mean they just you know,

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01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: they can put a man on the moon, they can

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: invent the atom bomb, they can, you know, do all

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Speaker 1: these things. But some things are beyond even America, and

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: in fact we should pity them. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you make a good point. Um, sure, like, you've had this,

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Speaker 1: You've had this amazing event, everyone's had a great time.

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01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Why not finished off with a party? You why not?

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01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Why not show everyone that, Yeah, it's not it's not

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01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: all about numbers on a screen, and you know, compound

1140
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: interest and blockchain and this that mass adoption and sensible regulation.

1141
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: There's also you know, a chance to have a party. Yeah, okay,

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01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: well fair enough, but as you said, we kind of

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01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: had flights to catch and other halves to placate. I

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01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: I bought a couple of little um kind of snow

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01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: globe things for my nothing says Miami, like, well, because

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01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: the snow globe. But it was like a little dolphin

1147
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: and a little turtle inside, like a little Yeah, I

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: bought that. I bought one each for my nieces, and

1149
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: I opened my bag at Miami Airport that they both

1150
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: broke and my bag was kind of swimming with glittery water.

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: That's funny. Yeah. So well, fortunately, because they're sort of

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01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: seven and three, my nieces certainly won't be listening. But also,

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01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,959
Speaker 1: I think three, I don't think give a crap about Yeah,

1154
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: but girls, if, if, if you're listening to this in

1155
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: the future, that's what you could have won, and I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to. I said a couple of

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01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: questions before we finished. Any regrets not going to the basketball?

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01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: That really? That really rankles um. You know what I don't.

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01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: I wish, I wish I I wish i'd sort of

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: done a bit more research before going, because it was

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of a bit last minute with me as everything

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01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: is um, and I wish I would just if I

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: had known about the flight times, I would have just

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01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: see if I could change my flight and I would

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: have stayed for the extra day or staid a little

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01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: bit longer to try and catch some of that because

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01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: it was just getting and I bumped into some This

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: is the beautiful thing about bitcoin. This the people who

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't realize were there when we just bumped into

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01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: my old flatmate Mark bumped into him. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was great. So I think I would have liked

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: to spend a little bit more time and had a

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: bit more of a relaxed last day rather than sort of, okay, cool,

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01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: this is what we have to do. But then again,

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01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: I did miss my child and my fiance, so it

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: was you know what I think I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: if we do this again, I'm going to bring them along. Really, yeah,

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01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the that's the move, so

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01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: they're not upset. We can go out and do a

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: bit and then I can come back and we can

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01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think that's the move. So if we

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01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: if we go, if we do, uh Denver? We were

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: talking about Denver, weren't we Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's

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01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: interesting you say that because there were lots of There

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01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: were lots of people there with their with their families. Yeah,

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01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I mean, certainly wasn't. It wasn't a family

1187
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: heavy event. But you did see quite a few people

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01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: like we um wheeling toddlers around and all that sort

1189
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: of stuff, which I thought was pretty cool. So that

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Speaker 1: could be you next next year. And that was another

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: question I was going to ask actually to close. Would

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: we go again? Yeah, I mean I would. I had

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun um. I will be interested to

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01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: see whether it happens in Miami next year because it's

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: been there for the last two years. Miami is a

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: really pro crypto city. The mayor Francis Suarez, who also

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: spoke on I think it was the Thursday and we

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: and we missed him, but he um he sort of

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Speaker 1: unveiled that bull out front and also hinted that he

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: might run for president. Um. He is insanely pro crypto.

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01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a really you know, he's a cool guy,

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01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: and I think he will push very hard to get,

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Speaker 1: you know, to make Miami sort of the crypto capital

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01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: of well not just of the US, but of the world.

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Speaker 1: I think so, I don't know, I'd certainly I'd certainly

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01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: love to go back to Miami again. I'd love to

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: go to the Bitcoin conference again. I'd be very injoed.

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01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see kind of what happens where, what

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01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: happens in the coming year, maybe where it's going to

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01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: happen next year. It is a long way to go,

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: especially when you kind of have to get back and

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01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: sort of get back straight to it. I'm still feeling

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01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: a little kind of discombobulated. But having said that, it

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01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: was it was a great time. And it was great

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 1: to meet so many people, great to chat so many people,

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01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: and and great to see Miami. Great to hang out

1217
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: with you as well. It was it really was like

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01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: that that that Thursday night when we got drunk and

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01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: Hicko Wings was was was really lovely. It was wasn't it.

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01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: It was good wings well everyone. Um, I hope, I

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01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: hope you've got a good, good insight there into our

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: trip to Miami. Um and yeah, I hope. Maybe maybe

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01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: we'll catch you there next year. Maybe we'll see you

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Speaker 1: at Bitcoin three watch this space. Yeah, see you soon, buddy,

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