Speaker 1: Hell I Suck At Dating with Dengler Dared Haven and
Speaker 1: I heard radio podcast What is up? Everyone? Welcome to
Speaker 1: an all new episode of Help I Suck At Dating.
Speaker 1: We have a very very special episode for you today.
Speaker 1: Not only do we have the lovely Courtney Robertson calling
Speaker 1: into coast with us today, but we also have one
Speaker 1: of Jared's buddies from Bachelor in Paradise, Australian joining us.
Speaker 1: Another strip on the boy Dean, shall we that was terrible?
Speaker 1: Before you embarrass yourself anymore? Um, I want to see
Speaker 1: if if Courtney is here. I think she's here. Courtney
Speaker 1: are either can you hear me? We can hear you,
Speaker 1: but we can't see you. Hang on start video. Oh
Speaker 1: you know, fantastic, just another day. How the hell are you?
Speaker 1: Oh Courtney, It's good to see you again. I do
Speaker 1: want to say for the listeners out there, funny, weird,
Speaker 1: a little coincidence. Back in October two nineteen, my best
Speaker 1: friend's sister was getting married and so in Hawaii, and
Speaker 1: so Caitlin and I went to Hawaii and while we
Speaker 1: were there, Courtney and her now husband were also vacationing
Speaker 1: there in the same hotel, the same hotel. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It's wild. I think it was like right after your season, right, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: right after Paradise. My now husband. We were walking down
Speaker 1: the beach and hughes he saw you guys. It's like,
Speaker 1: I think it was Baby's like, no way. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was actually a little star struck. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: get out of heresy. I was like, were a picture.
Speaker 1: That's late. We got a picture at the end of
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. But it was funny
Speaker 1: because Kitlin I think recognized you as well, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I think that's Courtney. Uh. And I never really watched
Speaker 1: the show, so I was like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And then eventually we were able to
Speaker 1: introduce ourselves. But they sat. It was funny, the Lokal incident,
Speaker 1: so relaxed and just happy and it was it was
Speaker 1: great the same for you guys. So that was October nineteen.
Speaker 1: But in December nineteen, you guys got so so just
Speaker 1: for the listeners out there, breaking up down on this timeline,
Speaker 1: So you got engaged in December and then got married
Speaker 1: or was that you're married your wedding in Actually we
Speaker 1: got engaged in December and then we got married this
Speaker 1: past October. But when we were in Hawaii is actually
Speaker 1: right around the time I conceived with our son, So
Speaker 1: a little a little tidbit there, we kin. We kind
Speaker 1: of was like we had talked about. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: a total surprise or anything for us at our age,
Speaker 1: where like it doesn't need to go, it didn't need
Speaker 1: to go on a certain order. Did you guys talk
Speaker 1: about kids before getting married. Yeah, so you guys were
Speaker 1: both on board of that. Huh yeah, it just happened
Speaker 1: a little bit sooner than expected. Well that's so that's
Speaker 1: so funny that that was the trip that we potentially
Speaker 1: Joaquin was conceived. Yeah, yeah, that's the that's the date
Speaker 1: that it end up. And it was so you know,
Speaker 1: so nice for us dating. Um, you know, I've listened
Speaker 1: to your podcast, but like now you can't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: so I mean, that was one of our last big trips.
Speaker 1: He's here, Sorry, it might be up hearing him. He's
Speaker 1: changing him and take him for a walk. That's totally fine.
Speaker 1: That is podcasting right there. Nice zooms. My dogs, as
Speaker 1: deancon a test bark probably every three minutes, so they're
Speaker 1: do right about now. Um, so corney. First of all,
Speaker 1: congratulations on getting married. So you got married in COVID
Speaker 1: COVID times back in October. We saw the pictures of
Speaker 1: People magazine. They look beautiful. What was it like? You know,
Speaker 1: so many of my friends got married during COVID and
Speaker 1: it was so crazy and stressful. What was it like
Speaker 1: for you guys to know that you were going to
Speaker 1: plan a wedding and get married during times where people
Speaker 1: were quarantining. Yeah, you know, so we had started planning
Speaker 1: the wedding before COVID hit and so to posts were paid,
Speaker 1: everything was paid, and I was like, I think we
Speaker 1: should just go down to the courthouse, like let's let's
Speaker 1: not and say we did. And everything was kind of
Speaker 1: nonrefundable and it's like I'm not only the money on
Speaker 1: the table, and so what we ended up doing we
Speaker 1: had eight five people on a guest list. We just
Speaker 1: had our immediate family. We had a small celebration. Um
Speaker 1: so it was kind of nice. I had, like I
Speaker 1: got the experience of planning a big wedding, which I
Speaker 1: found out like not for me. It was like so stressful.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the day it worked out perfectly,
Speaker 1: but it still was stressful. I mean, the caterers were
Speaker 1: masks and um, Sedona was So have you been to Sedona?
Speaker 1: I think you have, Yeah, so I saw that you
Speaker 1: got married there. I love Sedona, especially in October. It's
Speaker 1: like the perfect time to be there, exactly. But so
Speaker 1: everybody was there because I think people are traveling and
Speaker 1: you can drive there, so it was our venue was
Speaker 1: so packed, so that was a little bit tricky to navigate,
Speaker 1: like we did our first looks just because of timing,
Speaker 1: and they're like people gathering around. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't my dressed to get soiled or anything. So
Speaker 1: but it turned out to be nice. So glad it's over.
Speaker 1: Let honest, I gotta say, I gotta say, your husband
Speaker 1: looks great in his tuxedo. But I think the guy
Speaker 1: that really stole the show was Joaquin. Thank you, we
Speaker 1: kind of you. Thank you. The little baby tuxedo that
Speaker 1: thing kill I saw the picture of that and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is I mean totally he really did.
Speaker 1: He was a perfect gentleman and it was so nice
Speaker 1: to have him there and our whole family have a
Speaker 1: good walk. I'll text you what I'm done. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so Courney, we usually like to start, you know, our
Speaker 1: guests off with some Q and a's kind of get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit. Obviously we know you
Speaker 1: from the Bachelor franchise Ben Flannic season. Um, were you
Speaker 1: on any other Were you on Bachelor Pad at all?
Speaker 1: Or was it just Bachelor you know, Bachelor Paradise. They
Speaker 1: had contacted me for that and I was actually dating
Speaker 1: somebody that they liked at the time in Venice, so
Speaker 1: that didn't go over very well. Um, but I didn't
Speaker 1: really want to do it, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: But Bachelor Pad was after my season. That was the
Speaker 1: last one they did. I think that was when Rachel Trueheart.
Speaker 1: Did you watch that the one? Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I met Nick and he
Speaker 1: told me that story and I went back in YouTube
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is insane but also fantastic. Um.
Speaker 1: So there were girls from my season on that one.
Speaker 1: That was I think the last Bachelor Pad they did.
Speaker 1: I think it was as well. So Dean, just to
Speaker 1: let you know this guy, Nick Peterson, he was on
Speaker 1: my season, my first season of Bachelor in Paradise. He
Speaker 1: so Bachelor Pad was like more of a competitive show
Speaker 1: before paradise came around where you could actually win money.
Speaker 1: So long story short, at the end, like the couple,
Speaker 1: Nick and somebody else had to choose to either share
Speaker 1: the money or keep the money. And if somebody chose
Speaker 1: to keep the money that then they kept it all
Speaker 1: to themselves and Nick chose to keep it and not
Speaker 1: share it. And it was like this huge controversy. It
Speaker 1: was like its like on live TV. And Rachel was
Speaker 1: on My season four Things. I just like you saw
Speaker 1: her heart like instantly break was it was thinking it
Speaker 1: was a I think it was two fifty. It would
Speaker 1: have been a hundred twenty five each. I think, so
Speaker 1: he got to keep all of the two, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Is it? I think I remember seeing something. It's like
Speaker 1: if you if one person wants to keep it and
Speaker 1: in person says to share it, the person that keeps
Speaker 1: it keeps it. But if they both wanted eep it,
Speaker 1: then no one gets the money exactly. So it's like
Speaker 1: scary if you keep it, because the better play would be,
Speaker 1: of course, to share it. If you both share it,
Speaker 1: you split it. But if you both keep it, then
Speaker 1: you're broth screwed. Did did they end up dating after
Speaker 1: the show or no. I don't even know if they
Speaker 1: were dating during the show. It was like they went
Speaker 1: on It was kind of weird. I remember, like the rules.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were like quote unquote dating. They
Speaker 1: went on dates. And it was also very strategic, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't just about romance, like you had to strategize
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I'm gonna pair up with you and
Speaker 1: we're going to try to work towards this. It was
Speaker 1: like a combo of Bachelorette and Survivor. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been watching a lot of Survival lately. I want
Speaker 1: to go on Survivor. I think that'd be fun. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's for another conversation. Definitely did a show like
Speaker 1: that back in the day. I did one in New
Speaker 1: Zeeland and I thought it was called what was the
Speaker 1: treasurer Island and you could win a million dollars and
Speaker 1: then you'd have to decide if you want to do
Speaker 1: it to charity or keep the money, which obviously I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people kept it. But we lived
Speaker 1: on an island on Fiji. On Fiji, I was the
Speaker 1: first one to go home. It was it was really
Speaker 1: really hard. It's really hard to live off the land,
Speaker 1: but it was like a competition style show. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a couple's competition style show. I actually did
Speaker 1: it with the Fear Factor Grand Champion. He was my
Speaker 1: friend in New Zealand. But how are you do you
Speaker 1: get angry? I mean, like you really like like day
Speaker 1: one of like not getting enough food, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm losing my mind. I think I would be okay,
Speaker 1: But with all that stuff, you should do it. You
Speaker 1: are made for that show. There's so the couple of
Speaker 1: seasons that I saw, there's a lot of like planning
Speaker 1: and manipulation and like strategy that go involved into it,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I would be so good at
Speaker 1: that part. I think I would go like I'd probably
Speaker 1: like the middle of the pack. I think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. Yeah, I think the issue, like
Speaker 1: you said, you wouldn't be too much into the competitiveness
Speaker 1: of winning. You would just rather want to be in
Speaker 1: the wilderness and enjoy yourself, like I think. When I mean,
Speaker 1: I think when it comes down to it, like when
Speaker 1: you're on those shows, you need to of course be
Speaker 1: able to live, uh, you know, without a roof over
Speaker 1: your head, but you also need to have some sort
Speaker 1: of competitive vantage where you are going to do certain
Speaker 1: things in order to win, and I don't think you
Speaker 1: have the personality for that, which is a positive. Dude,
Speaker 1: I'm out for blood. But I don't know that's another
Speaker 1: here nor there. We'll save that for another time. Maybe
Speaker 1: if there's like a survivor casting producer listening to this,
Speaker 1: get me on a show, let's see it firsthand. But Courtney,
Speaker 1: like Jared was gonna say, I don't think we ever
Speaker 1: got We've got a couple of questions that we just
Speaker 1: want to ask you, just actually, but just as a
Speaker 1: group kind of like answer your questions. Yeah, what's on
Speaker 1: the docket. One of these conversations starting questions is what
Speaker 1: famous couple would you want to double date with? M
Speaker 1: game this couple that I would want to double date with?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, she's stumped me. Do people fire this
Speaker 1: off really quickly? I think I would definitely like to
Speaker 1: go out with Oprah, but obviously like somebody like really
Speaker 1: funny would be good, like a comedian. What about you, guys?
Speaker 1: This is a question I would have never anticipated. Know Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's dating someone, but if Armie
Speaker 1: Hammer is with someone, that would be an interesting double
Speaker 1: date right now to have that conversation. Uh oh, to
Speaker 1: see if he would maybe want to filet your skin
Speaker 1: off and cook it in a frying pan. I'd be
Speaker 1: interested to see what he ordered. Well, I'm not gonna say,
Speaker 1: poor guy, obviously, I think he denied it. Though I
Speaker 1: think he's already like denied it. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: like cannibalism. I wonder if you'd order like a filet rare,
Speaker 1: don't cook it at all. Um, let's see, Like obviously,
Speaker 1: the first one comes to mind is someone like Ashon
Speaker 1: and Mila there. They seem super fun obviously out for
Speaker 1: me personally, of course, Tom and Giselle tom Brady and
Speaker 1: she's a bunch of I mean, that's just yeah, I'm surprised,
Speaker 1: it's like you so long to say that. I figured
Speaker 1: that would have been the first one that you're out.
Speaker 1: There's a part of me though, that maybe wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to go on a double date with them, because I
Speaker 1: hold Tom Brady in such high esteem. I almost don't
Speaker 1: want to meet him because I just want to have
Speaker 1: this image of who Tom Brady is. I've gone back
Speaker 1: and forth in this even though I've never had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to meet him. In my head, I always prepare
Speaker 1: myself if that opportunity ever arises. So I go back
Speaker 1: and forth whether it would be Tom and Giesel. You
Speaker 1: want to know what's what's funny about that? A little
Speaker 1: side no here is that kind of happened to me once.
Speaker 1: My Like my favorite musician growing up my entire life
Speaker 1: was this guy, Like I know every single one of
Speaker 1: his like three hard songs, every word of every song,
Speaker 1: um My my rob Tom. I thought, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: and uh. I met him in person a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and in fact, we we exchanged ems every once in
Speaker 1: a while. And he's not like a dick or anything,
Speaker 1: but he's like not the interactions ever go as I've
Speaker 1: always kind of expected them to go, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And so it kind of like humanizes him
Speaker 1: a little bit and it knocks him down a couple
Speaker 1: of notches on the pedestal. But I don't know, Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that happened with you and Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: But what Tom Brady and just I'll eat what they're
Speaker 1: doing because whatever they're doing is working. It's definitely he
Speaker 1: would order like spinache dry, not cooked at all with
Speaker 1: like a piece of chicken that has zero salt or
Speaker 1: pepper on it and it's just grilled to the like
Speaker 1: at fifty degrees for eighteen and a half minutes because
Speaker 1: it has to be cooked. Just thought Tom Brady had
Speaker 1: like a super weird diet, like he ate like a
Speaker 1: pine of ice cream, you know, the clickbait. I always
Speaker 1: getting sucker for that. And it was like, what's the
Speaker 1: one thing Tom Brady won't eat? And It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it was a tomato. It doesn't eat tomatoes. I was
Speaker 1: just about to say that. I was like, yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't eat you know it was a tomato. I do.
Speaker 1: I did know his DEBATOI also you have to realize,
Speaker 1: you know Boston's I listened to Boston Sports Radio every day,
Speaker 1: and like for the past twenty years, our lives have
Speaker 1: revolved around Tom Brady and so whether it be the
Speaker 1: relationship status on and off the football field, his diet.
Speaker 1: Like I know a lot about Tom Brady's diet, and
Speaker 1: I'm not proud to say, but oh well, I just
Speaker 1: had somebody oh not to bring politics into it. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not saying one side or the other, but I
Speaker 1: would say I would love to double date with Barack
Speaker 1: and Michelle, Like that would be what I was about
Speaker 1: to say. I'm currently reading his memoir. I swear I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, Barack and Michelle, Jared, you stole mine,
Speaker 1: you cheat? Or how did you know? I was going
Speaker 1: to say that? I just read your mind. You know
Speaker 1: that's when when we when you call us the podcast
Speaker 1: with someone for so long, like I can get I
Speaker 1: can see your reaction, and I look at your eyes
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you about say the Obama's and I
Speaker 1: have to jump in before he does so I can
Speaker 1: steal his good idea. All right, well before we just
Speaker 1: before I get too angry and just dwell on this
Speaker 1: any longer. Next question, what is the nicest thing that
Speaker 1: your significant other has done for you lately? So Ashley
Speaker 1: Caitlin embartto done for us lately? What is like We'll
Speaker 1: start with Courtney, Like, what was like the last I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he does nice things for you all the time, obviously,
Speaker 1: but like, what's like the one thing that stands out
Speaker 1: to you that happened most recently? You think, well, today
Speaker 1: we actually have a little date today. Um, they were
Speaker 1: doing some work in the house. I had to get
Speaker 1: a house for your details. But he planned a trip
Speaker 1: for us for our Valentine's Day. Yeah, he got somebody
Speaker 1: to watch the baby. He's got it all lined up,
Speaker 1: and I was like pleasantly surprised. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard to travel right now, but just a quick
Speaker 1: twenty for our trips. So he does a lot of
Speaker 1: awful things like that. I mean, like on the daily level,
Speaker 1: he lets me sleep in and he does the morning
Speaker 1: shift with the baby, and like, I'm a person who
Speaker 1: needs an extra hour of sleep, and that kind of
Speaker 1: like he'll say, like, oh, take your time in the
Speaker 1: shower once. You'll see once you have kids, it's like
Speaker 1: your showers are quick. So those little things like me
Speaker 1: in the world to me, how much sleep did you
Speaker 1: get the first month of having a child? What should
Speaker 1: I prepare myself for? Not sued. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you go with interrupted sleep, but we actually did baby wise,
Speaker 1: like a sleep um schedule, like you wake him up
Speaker 1: every three hours and you feed him, and the goals
Speaker 1: to get him to sleep for twelve hours a night,
Speaker 1: and he is so he sleeps for twelve hours, um,
Speaker 1: but you wake up every three hours. You said an
Speaker 1: alarm and it's like he's still sleeping. You gotta wake
Speaker 1: the baby up to feed him. So but it works.
Speaker 1: So are you the type person that can wake up
Speaker 1: and immediately go back to sleep. No, my wheels are up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, I gotta oh laundry, gotta
Speaker 1: did this, or like exactly you know, sometimes there's anxiety.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have some calming techniques, but like if
Speaker 1: I have to get up to p and the mill
Speaker 1: and night, it's like usually like two hours I'm up
Speaker 1: and my husband snoring, the baby sleeping. I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with this picture. I'm also the type of person
Speaker 1: where if I know I have to wake up like
Speaker 1: super early the next day, you know, whether it be
Speaker 1: catch a flight or whatever. Even if I had to
Speaker 1: wake up a four thirty, like, I can't sleep because
Speaker 1: all I could think about is not oversleeping. Oh I
Speaker 1: have nightmares about missing flights on a nightly. But I
Speaker 1: won't hear what you guys? What your significant sweeties? What
Speaker 1: do you got? Why don't you go first? Oh? I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, Cailin made me dinner last night.
Speaker 1: That was very kind of her. She made me just
Speaker 1: a nice plate of roasted vegetables. Yeah, it was delicious.
Speaker 1: It was healthy, nutritious meal. Also, also, this is like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a nice thing that she did
Speaker 1: for me in like a weird way. I told her
Speaker 1: that I was going to play golf this morning. I
Speaker 1: told her this last night, and I think it was
Speaker 1: really nice of her not to be like, not to
Speaker 1: like press me on it. You know, She's like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: go have fun. So I thought that was really nice.
Speaker 1: What's the nicest thing, Ashley? I mean, ash does nice
Speaker 1: things for me every day. She does nice things for me.
Speaker 1: She's in the other room and want to make sure
Speaker 1: she heard that. Let's see, Oh, she maybe did the
Speaker 1: last night too. She may be, uh, she may be
Speaker 1: a nice garden salad a mix of kale and spinach.
Speaker 1: Tom Brady special with dude, stop stop Jared, you stop
Speaker 1: stealing my answers. Man, you gotta start having your own answers.
Speaker 1: First it was Brock and Michelle. Now you're stealing the
Speaker 1: dinner thing, all right. She also made me a hot
Speaker 1: Courtney and I are sick of this. She made me
Speaker 1: a hot chocolate. It was very special. So it was
Speaker 1: a really thick batch of milk, chocolate, hot chocolate, and
Speaker 1: she put some whipped cream and marshmallows and then drizzled
Speaker 1: it with some caramel syrup and just made it with
Speaker 1: some love, you know. And then she let me watch
Speaker 1: you know, she lets me watch Wheel, Fortune and Jeopardy
Speaker 1: every night. That's very nice because I really get into it.
Speaker 1: And that's I know, you know, it's the small things, really,
Speaker 1: especially when you're married as Courtney. And one last question
Speaker 1: before we wrap this up and get into it with
Speaker 1: Jared's buddy Jake Ellis, And it's kind of in tune
Speaker 1: with the first question here, but these are Jared's questions.
Speaker 1: By the way, he wrote these before the show started.
Speaker 1: It says, if you were stranded on a desert island
Speaker 1: with another couple friend, who would be best and why?
Speaker 1: And I don't really understand what they mean by another
Speaker 1: couple friend, but I'm assuming it's like a double date
Speaker 1: on a desert island to survive. Who would it be
Speaker 1: for me that I would take my best friend and
Speaker 1: her husband, Amy Dean. She was a producer on The
Speaker 1: Bachelor and about it. You guys might have met her
Speaker 1: at some point, but she's super savvy. I'd take her.
Speaker 1: She would help you. She would help you, guys, survives
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Oh yeah, totally. She's super savvy and
Speaker 1: she's not a complainer, Like I don't do well with complainers,
Speaker 1: so right, she'd just be funan, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: You and Calin are one of the first to come
Speaker 1: to mind because you're so earthy, like you're one with nature.
Speaker 1: I feel like if I was stuck in a desert island,
Speaker 1: I would need somebody who who could show me which
Speaker 1: plants to eat, how to cook my own meals, how
Speaker 1: to catch build a shell up there, build start a fire.
Speaker 1: And also you're very sweet and so like, if God
Speaker 1: forbid we did need to go to the cannibal route
Speaker 1: and eat someone, I feel like you would say, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I would offer myself up. And you're pretty you know,
Speaker 1: you're six what a six four? You know, so like
Speaker 1: you know you could last a couple of weeks. Maybe
Speaker 1: I think this is a good hopefully, hopefully it will
Speaker 1: be okay with like starting with like a leggerant arm,
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe I don't have to kill myself first,
Speaker 1: but I would just like be uh amputee at the
Speaker 1: at the very like least, no, you just want to die,
Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to pain. Um. I think I would
Speaker 1: bring Let me think who I would bring here. Maybe
Speaker 1: like Ben and Jess. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 1: that would be a good couple to be on a
Speaker 1: desert island with for the same reasons Jared would want
Speaker 1: to be on an island with me, because I think
Speaker 1: Ben and taste really good honestly, so I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that would probably be the
Speaker 1: best choice. All right, well, courney, uh, we're gonna move
Speaker 1: on with Jake, so stick Obviously you're sticking around. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be here for the whole episode of us UM,
Speaker 1: but you're not done answering some stupid questions because we're
Speaker 1: gonna have plenty of stupid questions for you. So well,
Speaker 1: I want you to sit tight, but I want our
Speaker 1: listeners to sit tight as well, because we're gonna take
Speaker 1: one quick break and then we're gonna jump into um
Speaker 1: having Jake on here, So stay tuned. Will be back,
Speaker 1: all right, welcome back to help I suck at dating
Speaker 1: Jared here Dean of course, and we have Courtney Robinson
Speaker 1: as well. She's gonna be here the entire podcast. We
Speaker 1: also have a very special guest joining us from all
Speaker 1: the way from Down. I'm not. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I say it like that. Buddy of mine. We were
Speaker 1: on Bachelor and in Prioritise Australia together, but of course
Speaker 1: he was also on the Bachelorette Season two of Australia.
Speaker 1: My buddy, Jake Ellis, Jake, how the hell are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Thanks for having me a long
Speaker 1: time coming. I know. I said you're going to be
Speaker 1: on this podcast for a while and finally we got
Speaker 1: you here. Now we just gotta get you on the
Speaker 1: American version of Paradise. That would be uh, that would
Speaker 1: be an experience. I think I've walked on two seasons
Speaker 1: now in Australia, so I think I'm I think I'm prepped.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. Yeah, you're ready to go. Uh So,
Speaker 1: of course everybody knows you from Down, Bachelor in Paradis Australia,
Speaker 1: Bachelor Rette. Um oh, Dean, where you guys? Says them?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm so sorry. I was just looking up
Speaker 1: the fellow cast members from his Bachelorette season and uh,
Speaker 1: you know Courtney Dolber. Yeah, yeah, very well, very well,
Speaker 1: you guys been friends since he moved over there. Well,
Speaker 1: I love Delver, he's the man. Yeah yeah, yeah. Obviously
Speaker 1: I haven't said I think he was stuck in Mexico
Speaker 1: for the Wall, wasn't he. Yeah, he's like working doing
Speaker 1: some TV thing. But he's back up in California now.
Speaker 1: I think he's officially homeless living in his van. But uh,
Speaker 1: but he loves that stuff exactly, him and Sam. Him
Speaker 1: and Sam are doing it together, so I think they're
Speaker 1: happy doing that. But it's it's it's pretty crazy, like
Speaker 1: it's such a obviously, such a small world. The whole
Speaker 1: um it's a Bachelor Nation. I think that's a much
Speaker 1: bigger Yeah, it's um, yeah, it's crazy. It's fun though.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, I remember the first time, so when
Speaker 1: I went down to Paradise, you and I became really close,
Speaker 1: and uh, dude, the first thing that like struck me
Speaker 1: from Bachelor in Paradise. Every guy there, I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: It's got to be like six three six four at
Speaker 1: the shortest. I looked like I was five four on
Speaker 1: that show. When watching it back, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm six ft. I'm not a short dude by any stretch.
Speaker 1: But I realized when I get what the hell is
Speaker 1: that supposed to mean? Six ft? Otherways? Don't remember being sixtight?
Speaker 1: How told do you think I was? I thought you
Speaker 1: were like five eleven. Shut the hell out. He's in
Speaker 1: my two inch box to be specific, that's true. No,
Speaker 1: well I guess you just you know you're in a
Speaker 1: group full of tool guys. Well I'm six four. Everyone
Speaker 1: else in our season was yeah, I think they went
Speaker 1: all the way out just like six seeks. Oh dude,
Speaker 1: I realized quickly. I was like, none of these girls
Speaker 1: want to be like, none of them are gonna want
Speaker 1: to go on dates with me. Here comes like some
Speaker 1: American shrimp. As they're just walking around, like I realized,
Speaker 1: like Australian girls down there they want like big beefy dudes.
Speaker 1: And here comes like a guy who tries to look
Speaker 1: like a backstreet boy, like, hey, you guys want you
Speaker 1: guys want to go on a date with me? Who
Speaker 1: is like who wants to have some fun? Huh? Did
Speaker 1: you walk in singing Backstreet boys to me? Remember? I mean,
Speaker 1: if I was, that was definitely unintentional, and I was
Speaker 1: singing it to myself yeah, his comfort song. Jake, I've
Speaker 1: got some questions for you. So I didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to watch Bachelor in Paradise Australia with with Jared
Speaker 1: and you on there, but the rundown I have here
Speaker 1: that you were painted as the bad boy contestant. So
Speaker 1: tell me, I want to know why. What was the
Speaker 1: bad boy persona? Well? Look, yes, well season one of Paradise,
Speaker 1: so when I obviously was straight after my season of
Speaker 1: the Bacherette where I look, I finished third in that
Speaker 1: and I was sort of painted as the family you know,
Speaker 1: the nice guy, which which I am very much so
Speaker 1: as this don't jump into yet. But then yes, on Paradise,
Speaker 1: I think I had the first date and I took
Speaker 1: someone on a date and got quite romantic and looked
Speaker 1: at that girl gave me her rose. And then in
Speaker 1: TV Land it was obviously what you guys know as
Speaker 1: well that it seemed like it was the very next day,
Speaker 1: um and another girl walked in who ended up being
Speaker 1: my my ex girlfriend, my girlfriend, and it was obviously
Speaker 1: my turn to give the rose. So I sort of
Speaker 1: just kick the other girl off off Paradise and give
Speaker 1: it to me it but the country hated that I
Speaker 1: was Jake the Snake, that was my nickname. So what
Speaker 1: did it feel like to be like start off like
Speaker 1: everybody loves you and then getting heat and then you
Speaker 1: ultimately rebounded because then everybody fell in love with you
Speaker 1: again once you and Megan had your romance. But what
Speaker 1: was that like? Because Courtney, who's on here? Courtney was
Speaker 1: on I forget what season was, but she ended up
Speaker 1: winning The Bachelor, but Corney got villainized, and then Corney
Speaker 1: went on to write a book called I Didn't come
Speaker 1: here to Make Friends. Confessions of a Reality Show Villain.
Speaker 1: So what was it like for you guys to be
Speaker 1: kind of villainized for a little while? Um, Like, it
Speaker 1: definitely took a bit to get used to. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously our demographic and have big bachelory here
Speaker 1: is in Australia, is nowhere near one of these over
Speaker 1: there in the States. Like obviously you know Courtney must
Speaker 1: you must have dealt with it so much more. It
Speaker 1: was like us Weekly. I was on the cover. It
Speaker 1: was like me and Eater, and uh, it does just
Speaker 1: go away, you know, like time really does kind of
Speaker 1: same now I don't really, I'm sure you guys gets
Speaker 1: for pictures and stuff all the time. It's very few
Speaker 1: and far between, but I mean it didn't feel good.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: like in a microscope and everyone was judging me, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's just this a weird thing to go through. Yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: people say like awkward things to you, Like they are like,
Speaker 1: come up now, like you don't seem that bad, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, you know that I think was tricky
Speaker 1: to navigate. I don't know if you guys deal with
Speaker 1: that ever, Like people are awkward when they want to
Speaker 1: meet you and they come up and like, I get
Speaker 1: it a lot. Once Ashley and I started dating, I
Speaker 1: got a ton which I knew I was going to
Speaker 1: get flak for it because you know, for years it
Speaker 1: made it seem that like, and to a certain extent
Speaker 1: it was true that I was the one refusing to
Speaker 1: be in a relationship with ash and she was just
Speaker 1: like completely ready seven. So when we got into a relationship,
Speaker 1: I knew like people were going to think that I
Speaker 1: was like only doing it because I was jealous or
Speaker 1: had alternative motives. But um, I remember people coming up
Speaker 1: to me and they'd be like Ashley, I love you
Speaker 1: so much, Jared. I hated you for so long, but
Speaker 1: now you guys are together, so I like you and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can go yourself, and it's very nice
Speaker 1: meeting you as well. It's so awkward, right then, what
Speaker 1: do you You're like, this is a compliment, like, oh man,
Speaker 1: but that just kind of fades away. And Jake the snake,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like they called me, like the
Speaker 1: girls that were calling me like a black widow and
Speaker 1: all kinds of yeah, I know, and now I can
Speaker 1: laugh at it, but at the time I was with
Speaker 1: the guy too, and I think for me it was
Speaker 1: more just like embarrassing, Like I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 1: Like I'm very easily embarrassed, and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of embarrassment that came with it, like with being the villain.
Speaker 1: And now I can own up to it, but especially
Speaker 1: with the guy that I was with, Like I was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, this is embarrassing. You know well, and
Speaker 1: Court you were you were saying that that might have
Speaker 1: been like a kind of a thorn in your guy's
Speaker 1: relationship too. You think, like the fact that they did
Speaker 1: sort of like villainize you on the show at least
Speaker 1: when they were airing the show. I think we would
Speaker 1: have had a much better shot if we had like
Speaker 1: a story book. I think that would have It was
Speaker 1: really hard for him, um And I think he kind
Speaker 1: of started to he was getting it in the media
Speaker 1: and people were like, why did you pick her? She
Speaker 1: seems awful, and so that was like an insecurity of mine. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think we probably could have made it
Speaker 1: work if that if we had a different I think
Speaker 1: they could go back and redo our season and make
Speaker 1: it look like how they deal with some people. Um,
Speaker 1: and people would be shocked because they had I know
Speaker 1: they had the like heartfelt interviews from me, they just
Speaker 1: really didn't show any of them. So they decided to
Speaker 1: pick you as like the villain, and they're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're sticking to our guns and we're just gonna make
Speaker 1: it like paint her as bad as we want to
Speaker 1: do it. We just kind of it's kind of mess
Speaker 1: up that they have that ability and like that power
Speaker 1: to do that sort of thing to help you interpret, uh,
Speaker 1: like things negatively, Like with Jake, dude, you literally did
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. And Corney same thing with you pretty much,
Speaker 1: and Dean you made your mistakes, but like it was
Speaker 1: all just from you, like acting from you, like making
Speaker 1: decissions with your heart. It wasn't like you were intentionally
Speaker 1: being malicious. But like Jake, I remember you in Paradise.
Speaker 1: You literally just liked a girl more and gave her
Speaker 1: your rose instead of this other girl. And people are like,
Speaker 1: Jake the snake, Are you still with the girls? She
Speaker 1: still with the girls? No? We m we split up
Speaker 1: probably a couple of months ago. Said together for three years,
Speaker 1: but we still split up probably four or five months ago, um,
Speaker 1: which is like a whole other story. But oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: how's that going. Yeah, it's been it's been difficult. Um.
Speaker 1: Like obviously, as I said, you know, you guys deal
Speaker 1: with it a lot more and technically than than what
Speaker 1: we do over here. But you know, like reality to that,
Speaker 1: he's really taken such a big lape in the last
Speaker 1: few years, and you know it was a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure even on us to stick together. Like we went
Speaker 1: through some tough times. You know, obviously lived my life
Speaker 1: the last four years in front of the Bachelor World
Speaker 1: and I lost with my parents the last three years. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, just been through a lot of heartache and
Speaker 1: a lot of lord of paying a lot of difficult
Speaker 1: situations and that just added so much stress to our relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then add on top of the media and everyone
Speaker 1: knowing your business or wanting to know your business, and
Speaker 1: it just unfortunately just didn't didn't work out for now.
Speaker 1: It's not the right time. But look, I know I
Speaker 1: love her, um, if I'm being honest, and that's that's
Speaker 1: something that's still real, but it's just not We're just
Speaker 1: not right for each other unfortunately. Yeah. Well, and you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys called it quit kind of in the middle
Speaker 1: of this whole quarantine or a pandemic. It seems like great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you know, we've been pretty lucky over here. As
Speaker 1: I was telling you guys before, it hasn't been as
Speaker 1: intense and you know, in lockdowns and sort of separation
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, it's definitely
Speaker 1: out of stress. Um. But look, you know, I wish
Speaker 1: that nothing but the best, and I hope she'd finds happiness.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think, you know, obviously that's what everyone
Speaker 1: wants and that's what I want as well. Listen to me, almost,
Speaker 1: I'm grown up, You're so mature. I'm shore, I'm blown
Speaker 1: away by the maturity here. It's just a long way
Speaker 1: from Jake the snake apparently. But I well, let's let's um,
Speaker 1: let's let's expand on that a little bit. Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about like our own toxic traits that we
Speaker 1: might have, like Jake, uh, Courtney, Jared and myself, Like,
Speaker 1: what kind of things do you think we do that
Speaker 1: could be labeled as toxic, like if you're looking at
Speaker 1: it from the outside, like like if we had Megan
Speaker 1: on here, or if we had Courtney, you're you got
Speaker 1: engaged to it was Ben, right, Yeah, So let's say
Speaker 1: we had let's say we had our exes on here, right,
Speaker 1: and they were like, all right, what toxic traits do
Speaker 1: we have? What do you think they would be? Well?
Speaker 1: I think I think with Bachelor, like, we're all pretty
Speaker 1: lucky that we got to go through this experience because
Speaker 1: it really for me personally, Uh, it started making me
Speaker 1: more self aware of certain flaws I had because you
Speaker 1: start talking a lot through a lot, more through things,
Speaker 1: where before I would just procrastinate or push things off
Speaker 1: for never really just opened myself up. So I think,
Speaker 1: like looking, you know, within my own relationship now and
Speaker 1: then looking at XS, I guess like a toxic thing
Speaker 1: I have is that I always, I definitely, unintentionally maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit lead people on. Note not in a
Speaker 1: malicious way, but like I for in a great example
Speaker 1: is one time, uh, and this happened a couple of
Speaker 1: times where I would go on dates with girls and
Speaker 1: like one of my strengths is I feel that I
Speaker 1: make a decent first impression because I really like to,
Speaker 1: you know, ask people questions and and get to know
Speaker 1: them more. And so I would always I feel like
Speaker 1: on first dates, dates would always go well. But I'm
Speaker 1: such the person where I'm like, you know, if if
Speaker 1: I'm not into it, then like it's over. And I
Speaker 1: never really go on a second day. And I would
Speaker 1: always keep people out of arms distance. And I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a toxic characteristic to have because then it
Speaker 1: would like kind of lead people on a little bit
Speaker 1: without letting them know what went wrong or give them
Speaker 1: any closure. And like one time a girl texted to
Speaker 1: me and this is she like reamed me out about
Speaker 1: how I never gave her a chance and I'm going
Speaker 1: to die alone because I refused to commit to anybody.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, she's not wrong. But
Speaker 1: now I'm married, so it all worked out. It all
Speaker 1: worked out at the end of the day. What about you, guys,
Speaker 1: fest Okay, Well, I mean things, I've totally what you said, Jared,
Speaker 1: like since the show. I mean, I've really done a
Speaker 1: lot of work on myself. I got a life coach
Speaker 1: and um, not that I won't go down that that conversation,
Speaker 1: but I mean I think I've worked on really being
Speaker 1: less reactive. Um, that's something that you know, I think
Speaker 1: that got me in trouble a lot on the show,
Speaker 1: whereas like what is the famous three words Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: you know, So I've really worked on like okay, just
Speaker 1: pump the brakes, um, don't overreact or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So um, but I think communication in the relationship. That's
Speaker 1: something that I like, if something's bothering me, like I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily bring it up right away and then I'll
Speaker 1: boil over. So those are things that I've really worked on.
Speaker 1: But so you're not no toxic traits anymore. Those are
Speaker 1: all in the past. No, I definitely do. I definitely
Speaker 1: get a little evy um, but yeah, toxic traits, I mean, well, no,
Speaker 1: I'm married too, so coming in. Actually he's coming with
Speaker 1: the baby. He's probably sleeping in. I like, I like
Speaker 1: my sleep. That's a boring one. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think those are so bad. That's
Speaker 1: not too toxic. If those if those are the worst
Speaker 1: things about you, I think that you're doing pretty well
Speaker 1: for yourself. I'm trying. I'm trying to work on being
Speaker 1: more president right now. You know, with social media and distractions,
Speaker 1: I think, sure for me, just like an unattractive equality,
Speaker 1: but I'm like totally guilty of it. Were you ever
Speaker 1: the type person that would check your boyfriend's Instagram like
Speaker 1: or ever like look into their phone? Oh my god.
Speaker 1: One night I was a little sassy and I was like,
Speaker 1: who are all these girls are? Probably you know, like
Speaker 1: and he's like the people that I know because when
Speaker 1: we together we were like on any accidents, it was
Speaker 1: kind of like you're coming with me and kind of
Speaker 1: put you know, kai bash on like friendships and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Oh yeah, I had one my close friends,
Speaker 1: her her boyfriend, her ex boyfriend now used to follow
Speaker 1: like all these random like Instagram models that would just
Speaker 1: post pictures of their butts and like he'd always liked them,
Speaker 1: and always it was always like you're not doing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't you shouldn't be doing that, Like, don't
Speaker 1: do that. You know my friends married. She's like I
Speaker 1: was looking at I were talking about that social media
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and she saw a picture of
Speaker 1: Kata Upton and her husband had liked it. I was like,
Speaker 1: heard of bikini and just like what that's pretty funny, Jake,
Speaker 1: what about you? What do you think here's some toxic
Speaker 1: qualities about you? I mean not that you have any,
Speaker 1: but just try to find one. Yeah, thank yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: it's a good try. I love a good it's always good. Um,
Speaker 1: toxic trites, I think, Yeah, obviously I've done I've done
Speaker 1: three shows now. I think I've gone from being a
Speaker 1: little bit immature in relationships when I sort of first
Speaker 1: started UM and then definitely learned it the hard way,
Speaker 1: Like going through the show. Obviously everything is so magnified
Speaker 1: and you really you have to really take a look
Speaker 1: at yourself and what your shortcomings are. I guess like
Speaker 1: I'm a pretty passionate person in a relationship and I
Speaker 1: always have been. Um, I think toxic traits. I don't
Speaker 1: listen probably you know in the heat of the moment
Speaker 1: or if if it's a serious conversation or it's a
Speaker 1: bit of conflict. Like you know, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just go one way you're going out. That's a good quality, yeah,
Speaker 1: like not and it's not intentional. But I think that
Speaker 1: I just I blindly lead with emotion at times and
Speaker 1: not rationality. Um, you know, it could be such a
Speaker 1: small issue and just blows into this big thing and
Speaker 1: I don't mean it too and then you know, after
Speaker 1: the fact, I sort of rethink about it and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I sort of overreacted there and handled that differently
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But is that a toxic trait?
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's toxic. Well, not listening isn't
Speaker 1: probably the best not not listening, Like, of course I listened,
Speaker 1: but I think maybe I just have selective hearing in
Speaker 1: those sort of moments. Um, and I always have to
Speaker 1: win the argument, Like I just I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: very competitive. That's sort of in a nutshell, But look,
Speaker 1: that's I feel like I've grown a lot and I've
Speaker 1: sort of learned my lesson And you know, look when
Speaker 1: I fell in love with Megan, when we got together,
Speaker 1: that was probably the first time I've actually been in love,
Speaker 1: so it was very new to me and look exciting
Speaker 1: and you know, nerve racking. Like I know, I did
Speaker 1: find myself being a bit jealous at times, which is
Speaker 1: not usually my character. So, um, I think a little
Speaker 1: jealousy is always good. That a little healthy jealousy, ye good.
Speaker 1: At times it was a lot like that. But then
Speaker 1: obviously being in such a public guy like, I feel
Speaker 1: like everything's a bit amplified, and um, you know now
Speaker 1: that I'm I think I'm the only single person on
Speaker 1: this podcast right now, Daniel, are you married to yet
Speaker 1: or not yet? Yep, yep? Married? Huh yeah, I'm married. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I feel like every one of your toxic traits have
Speaker 1: turned into marriage, so that right by the world, and
Speaker 1: I'm just recently single again. Um but yeah, getting there,
Speaker 1: getting there. What do you gota doing when I'm I'm interested? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that everything I'm gonna say is is basically
Speaker 1: in tune with every what everyone else is saying. I
Speaker 1: think my my biggest toxic trait that I possessed now.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of funny because actually, when you were
Speaker 1: telling your story about how you went from like this
Speaker 1: beloved character from the Bachelorette to this like quote unquote
Speaker 1: bad boy in Paradise because you dumped a girl and
Speaker 1: started dating some other girl who you ended up dating
Speaker 1: for three years and you were still abled as to
Speaker 1: the quote unquote, that's mind blowing to me. I had
Speaker 1: a similar journey where I was like the uh, Like
Speaker 1: everyone felt bad for me on the Bachelorette and they
Speaker 1: like liked me, and then I went a Bachelor in
Speaker 1: Paradise and I made a few mistakes and then I
Speaker 1: was like crucified because of it. Um, I've done a
Speaker 1: lot since then. That was like three years ago. But
Speaker 1: my biggest toxic trait that I possessed now, I think
Speaker 1: would be that I'm incredibly stubborn, And to Jake's point,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I kind of always have to
Speaker 1: be like in you know, whether it's like an argument
Speaker 1: or a conversation or whatever, and and that my stubbornness
Speaker 1: really shines through a lot, like, um, if you tell
Speaker 1: me not to do something that I want to do
Speaker 1: or something, then I'll like make sure to do it
Speaker 1: even like bigger and go harder and like make sure
Speaker 1: it's a point they're making, Like I'm doing this. I'm
Speaker 1: doing this okay. Uh. And I'm sure if you ask
Speaker 1: Kalin about that, she probably wouldn't be too too happy
Speaker 1: about it. But I can be I think you can
Speaker 1: air on the side of selfishness a little bit too
Speaker 1: with my time. Like, you know, if I want to
Speaker 1: go play golf with some friends, but I have like
Speaker 1: some work to do around the house, I'll probably like
Speaker 1: forego of the housework to go play golf with my
Speaker 1: friends kind of thing. So, yeah, that's not toxic. That
Speaker 1: sounds like a good friend if you were asked. I
Speaker 1: think if you were asked Kalen that, I think she'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, Dean plays way too much golf. He doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know, fulfilling his responsibilities around the house. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of shells that haven't been out to Yeah. I
Speaker 1: say it all the time to Kyl and she's always like, dude,
Speaker 1: you have to like do these things, like I need
Speaker 1: to mount these things, like mount these things on the
Speaker 1: wall and all this stuff, and like listen, like the
Speaker 1: house is still gonna be here. We don't need those
Speaker 1: things mount on the wall. Like that's just like a
Speaker 1: that's like a like an auxiliary thing. It doesn't really matter,
Speaker 1: and I don't know those are toxic traits on my end,
Speaker 1: but we're working on him. At the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I think that's all we can really hope to do
Speaker 1: is just kind of improve on a regular basis. And Jake,
Speaker 1: it sounds like from from the like the little rundown
Speaker 1: that I was given on you, like, uh, you were
Speaker 1: saying how you used to like to go clubbing and
Speaker 1: like you like to be kind of more in the spotlight,
Speaker 1: but you've been doing a lot of more like philanthropic
Speaker 1: work and like you know, doing a lot more stuff
Speaker 1: that has been outside of that, which I think is great.
Speaker 1: And I think that that kind of boils down to
Speaker 1: like character development and personal growth, which is which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely. I Look, I'll be the first trap, you know,
Speaker 1: first coming off the bats Ratt and being thrown into
Speaker 1: that world and obviously, like I was single, and look,
Speaker 1: I had fun and you know, I was a new
Speaker 1: experience and you know I was quite young. A will
Speaker 1: be younger than I am. Yeah, Um, you know, I
Speaker 1: think everyone does eventually grow up. But I feel like
Speaker 1: I've I've just done that in the public art that
Speaker 1: you know, one season about Thrett and then two seas
Speaker 1: of paradise. You know, it's it's um, it's interesting to
Speaker 1: sort of watch back and see how far I've come,
Speaker 1: I think. And of course, yeah, I was like your mentor,
Speaker 1: a hot man and a mentor in in Fiji when
Speaker 1: we first met, and I was like Jake's guardian angel.
Speaker 1: I was literally in Paradise for two full weeks, which,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, is like seven rows ceremonies. I
Speaker 1: didn't kiss a girl. I went on like one day.
Speaker 1: I truly don't know how I made it that far
Speaker 1: and throughout the entire time you went on the date
Speaker 1: with my eggs. Well, I did go on a day
Speaker 1: with Megan. Listen, he's taken that out of context. It
Speaker 1: was when I first got there. I didn't know any
Speaker 1: of the girls. I may have been like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean she's a great girl. Great girl. Uh not anymore though,
Speaker 1: obviously I think you guys should fight each other. No,
Speaker 1: Jake would win. I don't. I don't. Okay, wait, before
Speaker 1: we before we get Jake out of here, I got
Speaker 1: some rapid fire yes or no questions for you guys
Speaker 1: on whether you think these are toxic or not. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so we'll be right back with some emails
Speaker 1: and rapid fire. All right, welcome back to help I
Speaker 1: suck at dating. As Dean said, we have some rapid
Speaker 1: fire questions. We stall have Courtney, Jake and me here obviously.
Speaker 1: Uh so, Dean, you want to get through these some
Speaker 1: of these rapid fires. Yeah, go ahead and read them
Speaker 1: for well, let's have Courtney and Jake just give a
Speaker 1: quick yes or no on whether they think they're toxic
Speaker 1: or not. All right, here we go. All right, so
Speaker 1: the first one, and Dean you have to answer this too.
Speaker 1: We're all going to answer them together. We're one big
Speaker 1: help suck army family here. All right. Having the passwords
Speaker 1: to a significant others or x's accounts and you check
Speaker 1: them pretty frequently, have you done this toxic? Yes? That's toxic.
Speaker 1: I think having the passwords, having the passwords is not toxic,
Speaker 1: but checking it frequently is toxic. Does your partner the
Speaker 1: past or is this something? No, you're sneaky, sneaky that's toxic. Ye,
Speaker 1: sneaky sneaks is toxic? All right? What about checking your
Speaker 1: partner's location when they're not with you or have told
Speaker 1: you where they were going didn't have, so we check
Speaker 1: out where were, you know, just for safety? Right. Well,
Speaker 1: so I have I have my location shared with Kaitlin,
Speaker 1: and she has her shared with me. Uh, And I like,
Speaker 1: I don't really ever check her location. But I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think she ever checks mind. But there was
Speaker 1: one time we were in Las Vegas visiting her grandparents
Speaker 1: and I like stopped at a casino on my way
Speaker 1: home to gamble for like an hour or two. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I didn't And I didn't tell her. I always
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean I had I had to do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't tell her iways doing that. And I got
Speaker 1: back to her grandparents house and she goes, she goes, hey,
Speaker 1: why are you so late? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's a really bad traffic. And she goes, oh, oh
Speaker 1: you didn't go to the casino. And I go, wait,
Speaker 1: how did you know what was at the casino? And
Speaker 1: she told me she checked my location. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was toxic. I think she was just more like, okay,
Speaker 1: where is he? Like, why is he taking so long?
Speaker 1: Sort of thing. Quick funny story about Dean. A couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, he was not found on that he
Speaker 1: was late to the podcast and we didn't know what
Speaker 1: was going on. And then we realized that Dean shared
Speaker 1: his location with one of our producers, and we mark
Speaker 1: and we found out that he was on a golf course.
Speaker 1: So we texted him and said, hey, why don't you
Speaker 1: go to the clubhouse and record from there? And Dean's like, clubhouse,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And he's like, you're sharing
Speaker 1: your location. I see that you're on a golf course.
Speaker 1: And he's like, that's another toxic trade. I had, Like,
Speaker 1: all right, another toxic or not checking up on an
Speaker 1: X through social media or text. Example, Happy New Year,
Speaker 1: Happy Birthday, you send them I miss you text? So
Speaker 1: checking up on an ex through social media or texting
Speaker 1: them toxic or not toxic? I think you're single. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: why not? But I don't do that? Yeah, Jack, do
Speaker 1: you ever send Megan I miss you text? That's a
Speaker 1: big question now for having for a while, having for
Speaker 1: a little while I drunk out. No, I'm actually shocking
Speaker 1: with my phone when I'm when i'm drunk or i'm drinking,
Speaker 1: I just don't even look at it. But that's a
Speaker 1: really good thing. That's definitely not like a bad thing too.
Speaker 1: But I think the happy birthday and Merry Christmas if
Speaker 1: you are with a new partner, I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: I think, but like definitely not sitting like and I
Speaker 1: missed you to an X when you have a new
Speaker 1: partner or a new relationship, that's that's not good. What
Speaker 1: about fly by Instagram stuff because I do get some
Speaker 1: of that stuff, you know, people do that fly you know,
Speaker 1: like the emojis you can react with, Like, I think
Speaker 1: that should be included in the question. I think like
Speaker 1: reacting doing excess Instagram post you guys, Yeah, that's I think.
Speaker 1: I Well, my thoughts on it are I will personally,
Speaker 1: although I am like friendly with all my exes, I
Speaker 1: would I would ever text any of them like Merry
Speaker 1: Christmas or Happy New Year, or I wouldn't even really
Speaker 1: ever react to any other Instagram stories. But that's just me.
Speaker 1: I think everyone's different. I don't think there's a right
Speaker 1: or wrong answer to that. Yeah, I agree with Dean, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was like a random happy
Speaker 1: New Year, happy birthday like that sounds kind of fishy.
Speaker 1: But I will say there are circumstances where you have
Speaker 1: to reach out to your ex for example, I actually
Speaker 1: thought about reaching out to my ex recently because there's
Speaker 1: a mutual friend that just got a bad diagnosis with
Speaker 1: health and I was and I only met this person
Speaker 1: through my ex, and so I was like, do I
Speaker 1: reach out to them to be like, hey, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you I don't know, I just felt weird
Speaker 1: not telling you about this, so or if you probably
Speaker 1: knew or just wanted to, I don't know, So like
Speaker 1: that's been going through my head recently. But the only
Speaker 1: way I'd reach out is if I get Ashley's permission.
Speaker 1: So I think that's kind of the caveat on those
Speaker 1: That is the correct answer. Thank you, guys, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: How about how about if you guys, get in a
Speaker 1: fight with your significant other and then they start giving
Speaker 1: the silent treatment or like ignoring phone calls or text messages.
Speaker 1: Is that toxic? That's why too much? Do you say?
Speaker 1: I've experienced that? Why too much? And it does my
Speaker 1: head in, like it just drives me inside, Like, so
Speaker 1: you get the silent treatment? Don't like affected onto you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just like I understand so arguments and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously has their own way of dealing with it. Cooling Diana.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say that's toxic. It's just extremely annoying,
Speaker 1: slightly immature. I think, yeah, and I just you know,
Speaker 1: I get more frustrated. I'm like, why do you applying?
Speaker 1: Like what did I And then it's just just yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's just me, but it's so annoyed. It's definitely
Speaker 1: not just you. It's super annoying. Yeah, I got good.
Speaker 1: That's good. I'm relieved. So yeah, I would say toxic,
Speaker 1: like come on, now you can you know, if you're
Speaker 1: in a relationship, you just you need to communicate, Like
Speaker 1: I get it. If one thing where like one partners
Speaker 1: like I need space and the other person will not
Speaker 1: allow that space, that's one thing. But if you guys
Speaker 1: are like arguing and then you give them the silent treatment,
Speaker 1: would be five years old, Like come on, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the argument, I would I don't even want
Speaker 1: to think about that. I would lose my mind. Somebody
Speaker 1: would really say I have guilty. I mean, I we
Speaker 1: lived together, obviously, so I've been guilty of that for
Speaker 1: a little bit, but not like huffing around the house.
Speaker 1: But just like if something happens or there's a conversation
Speaker 1: like I need time to process it and like kind
Speaker 1: of see you know what I mean, Like I've done that.
Speaker 1: There are times where I don't necessarily like give him
Speaker 1: the siki the silent treatment, but I'm like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave for a week, get back kind of like
Speaker 1: golf course for a way. That's way worse than the
Speaker 1: silent treatment. Like but it's not it's not like it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm doing it's like prove a point or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, I just need to get I
Speaker 1: need to be by myself for a week, not like
Speaker 1: the way from you, but just like away from everything
Speaker 1: for a week. One of my that's that's how I
Speaker 1: get to I'm like, I just need like a moment.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite traits about our relationship, my relationship
Speaker 1: with Ashes that we talk through everything and we never
Speaker 1: get in to blow up arguments because we have great
Speaker 1: communication skills. But I've had situations in the past. Holy
Speaker 1: like I'm with you, guys, dude, the silent treatment is
Speaker 1: the worst because then you guys go your separate ways.
Speaker 1: I'm still pissed as as hell, so I'm just like
Speaker 1: fuming in my own mind and then like you see
Speaker 1: the person an hour later as you're walking by them
Speaker 1: like you're in a western about to pull your gun
Speaker 1: and be and because you're still mad and like you're
Speaker 1: not going to be the first person to apologize because
Speaker 1: you've been ignoring each other for hours and it's just
Speaker 1: like so awkward. God, I do not miss those. I
Speaker 1: don't miss those anyway. All right, what else we got?
Speaker 1: Let's see? Next one is, uh, what about calling someone
Speaker 1: hot in front of your significant other? So, I mean
Speaker 1: that's pretty self explainatory. What do you guys think toxic
Speaker 1: or not toxic? Because a little bit toxic, just a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think I think it really depends how
Speaker 1: you say it, Like if you're like wow, like I like,
Speaker 1: if you're like consinuating you want to hook up with them,
Speaker 1: super toxic, but um it is human. Well it's natural, right,
Speaker 1: you know it kind of it kind of goes both
Speaker 1: ways for ways. For me, Like if Caitlin and I
Speaker 1: are watching a TV show or something, I'll like I'll
Speaker 1: say like, oh, that girl is really pretty, or I'll
Speaker 1: be like, wow, that guy is super hot. Like I'll
Speaker 1: definitely like just point out attractive people guy or a
Speaker 1: girl that's good. Keep it even yeah, and maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I do the guys just to make it clear that
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, pointing out attractive people, pretty girls.
Speaker 1: He's on the patio, but I'll do that with girls
Speaker 1: and he'll say something like, well, I don't know, our
Speaker 1: hair is a little more. I'm like, he's super respectful,
Speaker 1: always plays, he never takes the day. Ever, I think
Speaker 1: doing it. I think pointing somebody on a TV show
Speaker 1: in passing is like I think that's toxic. I think
Speaker 1: that's just like, yeah, like obviously everything as human attraction
Speaker 1: is normal, but I think doing it in front of
Speaker 1: your partner, like if someone is standing directly in front
Speaker 1: of you, like, wow, um, very nice to meet you.
Speaker 1: Very That's definitely the only thing I can relate to
Speaker 1: is when we're watching Bachelors. So when Ashley watches it
Speaker 1: with her sister, they get like super you know, chit
Speaker 1: chatty about it, and so they'll just be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's he's hot, he's or like he's like
Speaker 1: they'll say he's sexy, and I'm like, okay, that's enough
Speaker 1: of that one. You can't say somebody's sexy. And then
Speaker 1: they'll be like no, no, no no, we're not saying it like,
Speaker 1: we're just saying it as like because we like looking
Speaker 1: at that person's face. So for example, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: then I'm going to say who's sexy on the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, no, no no, no, you can't do
Speaker 1: that because men are gross and you're visualizing like a
Speaker 1: more gross situation with them, where us as women are
Speaker 1: only looking at their face and how you know, beautiful
Speaker 1: their faces. And I was like, this is the most
Speaker 1: double standard conversation I've ever had in my entire life.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. So that's the only so I think
Speaker 1: it's toxic. It's all toxic. Don't say someone's hot in
Speaker 1: front of your in front of your partner. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like you just go put in your place.
Speaker 1: You like, no, Jared, shut up, bro, you've met my wife.
Speaker 1: I'm always put in my place. That's like my constant,
Speaker 1: my constant state of place is being put in my place.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more and then we'll jump
Speaker 1: into emails. So the very last one is what about
Speaker 1: is it toxic or not to create fake accounts to
Speaker 1: stock or message your significant others to quote unquote text
Speaker 1: test them. That's crazy. It's crazy and that's crazy and toxic.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Do you test them? Like? Uh? My
Speaker 1: assumption with that is like you make like the like
Speaker 1: in your case, so you make the account of like
Speaker 1: a hot dude with washboard abs and then you start
Speaker 1: d m ng your significant other to see if they'll
Speaker 1: like take the bait and like flirt back. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's weird. Has that has that amount of time
Speaker 1: to question? Yeah? No, I I wish I could take
Speaker 1: credit for it creating critic accounts. I yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know anybody who has a fake account. That seems pretty intense.
Speaker 1: I've done that when I was younger, like a fight,
Speaker 1: not like a fake account with actually photos, but it
Speaker 1: was like a like a burner account. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: like it was a long time ago. Was literally did
Speaker 1: check up on the next years and years ago. So
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of that, but not put me out photos
Speaker 1: of and stuff like that. Maybe I should just shut up.
Speaker 1: I think that. I don't know, I think you should
Speaker 1: keep going. I think this more pertains to like a
Speaker 1: burner account, like you just create an Instagram account because
Speaker 1: like someone blocked you or I don't get the test part. Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: are you are you trying to entrap your your boyfriend
Speaker 1: or girlfriend? I wonder if actually don't know me. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'll tell you what. Let's move Let's
Speaker 1: move on to emails. I think that I think we
Speaker 1: can all agree that's pretty toxic. But let's get into
Speaker 1: our very non toxic listeners email. I mean, I'm assuming
Speaker 1: they're on toxic I guess, um, but do we want
Speaker 1: to have Mark chime in and read these for us
Speaker 1: in his uh radio voice? Yeah? There is, Jen says.
Speaker 1: I am with my husband for a twelve years now,
Speaker 1: our ten your wedding anniversary is in April. For our
Speaker 1: entire marriage, he has not only been the main breadwinner,
Speaker 1: but I have also been totally reliant upon him financially.
Speaker 1: This past summer, I finally started my career. I work
Speaker 1: outside the home for sixty plus hours a week. I
Speaker 1: love it. It fulfills me. But I've realized my husband
Speaker 1: needs me to need him. I can tell you're starting
Speaker 1: to present my career. How do I tell him or
Speaker 1: show him that I love him just as much as
Speaker 1: I ever have, even if I don't need him in
Speaker 1: the same way. M hmmm, interesting. Interesting, that's tough because
Speaker 1: I kind of get that, you know, I get the idea.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely someone who likes to provide um. So I
Speaker 1: get him feeling devalued by his wife having, you know,
Speaker 1: not to rely on him much as much at least
Speaker 1: while she should have to worry about that, and she
Speaker 1: should focus on her own career because she's her own person.
Speaker 1: You can do whatever she'd like. I kind of see
Speaker 1: both sides of it, Courtney, what do you think? Was
Speaker 1: the question? Like, how do I show him? Doesn't she
Speaker 1: want to do something nice to the anniversary? I would
Speaker 1: she wants she wants to know how she can show
Speaker 1: him that she loves him as much as she ever has.
Speaker 1: I would say, a heartfelt card. You can't go It's
Speaker 1: got to be more than a card. Come on, it's
Speaker 1: gonna just it's just gonna go ahead and remind him
Speaker 1: that she doesn't care. Oh, all you got me for
Speaker 1: a ten year anniversary was a stupid snoopy car. No,
Speaker 1: a heartfelt car. She needs to tell him. I mean
Speaker 1: she's riding in. Okay, You're right. What else could she do?
Speaker 1: She should just let him? I don't know, she should
Speaker 1: need him, maybe a little more. She should get she
Speaker 1: should get some lingerie. Yeah, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I think I thought about this actually
Speaker 1: just recently, about how like if and when I have
Speaker 1: to go back to be to working like forty hours
Speaker 1: a wee could like a more traditional job, like obviously,
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I enjoy spending as much time together as
Speaker 1: we possibly can, and like let's say, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gone for a day or two, it's like, however long
Speaker 1: it is any amount of time that I'm gone from
Speaker 1: Calin like she would prefer me to be there. And
Speaker 1: I always think about, like what's going to happen, like
Speaker 1: if and when I have to go back to work
Speaker 1: for fifty plus hours a week, then what is that
Speaker 1: dynamic going to shift like? And how is that going
Speaker 1: to be like received from either side? Um, Jake, you
Speaker 1: have any ideas for her how she can show her
Speaker 1: husband that she still loves him. Yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 1: from what I take from obviously, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: love in that relationship, which is like its beautiful to say.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think I have a bit of
Speaker 1: different I'm such a romantic, Like I'm such a hopeless
Speaker 1: romantic and I always have been, and like I always
Speaker 1: will be. But I think obviously her dynamics change, and
Speaker 1: obviously she's working and she's making the money. There. I
Speaker 1: think even just something simple like she just takes him
Speaker 1: out or takes him on her and spoils him, or
Speaker 1: for a dinner or you know, a hot shot, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be, but like just it's her sort of
Speaker 1: showing like, you know, I appreciate you, and this is
Speaker 1: tonight you or not with us together, A really treat
Speaker 1: you to something special. I think that's that's why I
Speaker 1: look at it. I think for Jen, yeah, I again,
Speaker 1: I would just try to use words of affirmation as
Speaker 1: best as possible and let him know how much you
Speaker 1: rely on him, how much you love him. Maybe get
Speaker 1: him a little bit more than a card. Get him
Speaker 1: a card. Cards are very sweet, great gift, not downplaying that,
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't know something that shows how much
Speaker 1: you do rely on him. What that is, I don't
Speaker 1: exactly have the answer. Maybe it's something intimate, maybe it's
Speaker 1: something personal. I'm not sure, but hopefully it's something I've got.
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: know this not, but Mark has been married to his
Speaker 1: wife for a very long time, so maybe he's got
Speaker 1: a suggestion for I just think that men are really
Speaker 1: simple creatures. They really are. And you've been able to
Speaker 1: pick up on his insecurities and that's fine. You can
Speaker 1: let him know you need him in so many ways.
Speaker 1: Can you come kill the spider for me? My car
Speaker 1: is making a weird nurse. Can you check it out?
Speaker 1: You know what, I could use some shelve in the
Speaker 1: office to help me with my new job, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Just try to show him that you need him, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be just fine. This will be a blip
Speaker 1: on the radar. He's a little weird about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: He's going to be fine. Just show him that you
Speaker 1: need him around the house. He'll be okay. And this
Speaker 1: is why Mark, you know that has been in a
Speaker 1: successful marriage for many, many years. Right, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: now that you say that, Mark two, I'm wondering if
Speaker 1: maybe I put off doing all these household chores for Kalin,
Speaker 1: because once I complete all of them, then she's not
Speaker 1: gonna need me anymore, and then I lose my I
Speaker 1: lose my purpose in the relationship. So the longer I
Speaker 1: put them off or the longer she needs me, So
Speaker 1: I just feel that value. All right, Mark, you got
Speaker 1: the last one for us? The anonymous This is anonymous.
Speaker 1: I'm not usually a fan of getting to know a
Speaker 1: person through technology, but during quarantine, I got bored and
Speaker 1: decided to try out a couple of dating apps. I
Speaker 1: safely went on at least one day with a guy,
Speaker 1: and although we had a lot in common, a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about, I didn't feel the spark between us,
Speaker 1: so it didn't lead to a second dage. My question is,
Speaker 1: how do I know if I'm genuinely with it in
Speaker 1: a person or if I'm just looking to fill a
Speaker 1: void that the quarantine situation has created. Well, Uh, first
Speaker 1: and foremost, Anonymous, I've got some weird question about this.
Speaker 1: I got a question about this weird wording. You said,
Speaker 1: I safely went on at least one date with a guy.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just tell us that you wanted more
Speaker 1: than one date with the guy? Why do you have
Speaker 1: to be so weird and biguous about that? I guess
Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, that's a good question. So
Speaker 1: she wants to know is if she is actually interested
Speaker 1: in a person or if she's just looking to fill
Speaker 1: the void that Quarantine has created. And I think the
Speaker 1: fact that she's even asking herself that question proves that
Speaker 1: she's just filling the void. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's enough of it of a reason. I don't know, Jake,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Um? Yeah, I think I agree
Speaker 1: with you on that one. But I think, um, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously in Quarantine, especially for you guys over, there's so
Speaker 1: much more intense, but that that lack of human connection
Speaker 1: and physical human connection, you know, I'm sure that that
Speaker 1: would make send anyone sort of a bit insane or
Speaker 1: you know, looking to feel some sort of void. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think diety apps are harmless and like talking to people,
Speaker 1: but you never know when you're gonna feel that spark.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I agree with you, Ding, but who knows
Speaker 1: what what what could happen? It's kind the only way
Speaker 1: to put yourself out there right now. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean right really like go out to bars and stuff
Speaker 1: and meet people organically. It's it's gonna be crazy too,
Speaker 1: And I definitely, um, I don't envy that situation of
Speaker 1: like trying to date someone, especially like if you want
Speaker 1: to be dating people right now in America at least
Speaker 1: not so much in Australia. But if you want to
Speaker 1: be dating people right now, it's like tricky because you
Speaker 1: have to do it like safely and you have to
Speaker 1: take the precautions and you can't meet people like you're
Speaker 1: used to meeting them, and so like everything's changed. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, Jared, what do you think? I like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the only way you're ever going
Speaker 1: to find out is if you go on our days
Speaker 1: with this person, than either it gets better or it
Speaker 1: doesn't get better. But the problem with doing that is
Speaker 1: you also, COVID is very real and it's out there,
Speaker 1: so you have to take precautions. It's tough dating right now.
Speaker 1: I do not envy people who have to navigate the
Speaker 1: dating world in COVID. I couldn't do it before COVID.
Speaker 1: Now we have you know, Mark, Mark, you have some
Speaker 1: advice on this. Well, there's just a quote that I
Speaker 1: think applies to all single people during these times, and
Speaker 1: it's um, don't let loneliness lower your standards. Better off
Speaker 1: alone than with the wrong Person's right. So I think
Speaker 1: stay of the course. There's nothing wrong with meeting new people.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with spending time with them over virtually
Speaker 1: or safely, however you want to do it. We can
Speaker 1: all use more friends, more connections in our life, but
Speaker 1: don't let it go farther than that just because you're
Speaker 1: missing somebody in your life. I think you're better off
Speaker 1: working on yourself. Yeah, as in that, do you mean
Speaker 1: like my like like not forcing a relationship, just the same, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're regretted at some point? Yeah, yeah you said. I
Speaker 1: totally agree. He's the stage voice on this very very
Speaker 1: silly podcast, my dieting team. Any times I love to
Speaker 1: hear from you. What do you think tell me he'll
Speaker 1: be your life coach. Well, that's can probably do it
Speaker 1: for this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating, Jake,
Speaker 1: you're the band. Thank you for joining us, um Courtney,
Speaker 1: of course, thank you for co hosting with us. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like we gotta have you back.
Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't have a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: time to to have your co host anytime, anytime you
Speaker 1: need me, I'm here. I'm not as good at podcasting
Speaker 1: as you guys, but it's fun. So happy to join.
Speaker 1: I got news for you already better at our jobs
Speaker 1: and Uh, that's not. Obviously everybody can find you on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Anything else you want to plug Obviously you can still
Speaker 1: pick up for your book. Yeah, that's still doing well. Um.
Speaker 1: You know I'm doing real estate full time. It's the market.
Speaker 1: Arizona's hot, so if you're looking to move to Arizona,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to help. Um. But yeah, I know that's
Speaker 1: really it. That's all I got. I'm going to change
Speaker 1: my Instagram name too. I just officially changed my name. So,
Speaker 1: oh you did change your last name. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you about that. What is the new last name? Um,
Speaker 1: it's Precatto and I made my middle name my maiden name.
Speaker 1: So Courtney Robertson Presciotto. If that happened this week, a
Speaker 1: good gratulations. Next thing you have to change. Next thing
Speaker 1: you have to change is your zoom name, because you're
Speaker 1: still just Courtney Robert Babe, M I need to ask
Speaker 1: you about that. Actually, on my birthday this year, I
Speaker 1: think I'm going to change my last name, so I
Speaker 1: could use some advice on the process. What do you do?
Speaker 1: Who are you going to be? I want to change
Speaker 1: my last name to my mother's maiden name of Bell,
Speaker 1: So I want to go from Dean Unglert to Dean Bell.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know like the legal
Speaker 1: process of how that's going to that's actually pretty simple
Speaker 1: and you just send everythink in So yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a good thing to do. You have to pay
Speaker 1: for the filing fee to officially change yourney, which is
Speaker 1: kind of annoying. Um, I think it was like three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. But and then you just zoom court connect
Speaker 1: with the you know, a judge, and they just grant
Speaker 1: you the name change. I know. It's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of funny that you have to pay money to do
Speaker 1: something that's so simple, like change the name, right, you
Speaker 1: have to pay money to do everything with this, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have to pay Oh anyway, Well, it's nice to
Speaker 1: see you all. I will Courtney thank you. And then
Speaker 1: Jake of course, everybody can find you on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Jake Ellis anything else you want to plug? Uh no,
Speaker 1: not really, like it's just been been. I'm excited to
Speaker 1: be a part of this podcast. You could just sort
Speaker 1: of amate you guys. Obviously I've heard a lot about
Speaker 1: you and seeing your mus screens and like Jared's my
Speaker 1: longest Batchelor relationship in this whole entire process. Really, I'm
Speaker 1: a good boyfriend. It's the bromance that keeps us running
Speaker 1: exactly right. But now I will look honesfully, you know.
Speaker 1: I hope you guys will stay stay well. It's snife stife,
Speaker 1: and you know, as soon as I can get over
Speaker 1: there to visit, like I'll be on the first plane. Sweet,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and call that a day. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for joining in and listening. Be
Speaker 1: sure to you next week where maybe we suck just
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