WEBVTT - TechStuff Classic: There's a Halloween Event on the Horizon 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.800 Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.600 Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.440 Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heeart Radio 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:19.639 and allow of all things tech, and it is time 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.040 for a classic episode of tech Stuff. This one originally 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:28.040 published on October two thousand thirteen, and that would be 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:34.400 Halloween Ean or Halloween Eve, which is already an eve. Yeah, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.000 it's titled There's a Halloween Event on the Horizon. I 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.880 remember this. It's where I got to talk about the 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:46.240 movie Event Horizon and the wonderfully terrible technologies in that film. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.000 I hope you guys enjoy it. We thought we'd take 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.680 a horror movie and look at the science and technology 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.720 in that horror movie as well, just kind of discussed 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.240 what that horror movie is all about, sort of the 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.360 same way we did Independence Day back for the fourth 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.080 of July. Now, there aren't that many horror movies that 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.480 we could think of that have a heavy tech angle. 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.920 There are some, and there are plenty, and we also, 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.640 I mean, you know, we we wanted to do something 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.840 that isn't um as completely offensive as it could be. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.559 I mean, you know, it's the movie that we chose 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.000 is rated are and um, I think both of us 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.639 enjoy it, uh for yeah from a kind of tongue 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.760 in cheek way sometimes you I I genuinely enjoy this film, 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:27.920 but it is not what I would call a good movie. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:32.199 It is Event Horizon. Yes, it is a space movie. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.240 It's a movie set in space. It's all about space. 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.120 Let's go ahead and give you an overview of what 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:40.920 the basic plot is in case you haven't seen it, right, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.440 although I will say that that this this discussion is 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.759 going to involve lots of spoilers, and and like I said, 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.080 we do enjoy this movie. I want you to see 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:50.800 it and to not be spoiled when you go into it. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.520 So if you have not ever seen the film, and 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.400 you are of an appropriate agent constitution to watch a 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.720 thing with with kind of gory violand and uh mild 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.240 new occasional cursing, then maybe maybe just turn this podcast 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.800 off and wait until you can watch the movie. Right now, 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.400 I will say, since the film came out in all 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.480 bets are off. So here we go. Basic plot. All right, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.160 You've got a ship, it's called the Event Horizon and 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.760 it's supposedly a research ship that's meant to explore the 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:24.040 further reaches of our solar system, and on its maiden 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:29.640 voyage it disappeared somewhere just beyond Neptune. Now that happens 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:34.320 in the year seven years later, a research alright, rescue 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.600 ship rather sent out, sent out with a particular engineer, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:42.680 a scientist who had worked on the event Horizons propulsion 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.160 system actually designed the entire ship. Yeah, so he's he's 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.519 going along with them. They don't know what their mission 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.079 is when they first leave, but they are to go 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.400 out to Neptune and try and find the origin of 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.240 a mysterious transmission that apparently came from it's coming from 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.560 the horizon, and and rescue the ship the crew if 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.519 it all possible, Right, So they go out there, and 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.760 bad stuff happens, y'all. First of all, it turns out 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.560 that the event Horizons secret propulsion system is something that 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.840 is called a gravity drive in the movie, and the 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.600 ideas that it kind of incusses with space, right, it 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.200 creates a black hole essentially, and we'll get into that 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.200 a little bit more later on. That's yeah, Well, we'll 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.720 discuss the entire black hole thing at length because it's 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.160 interesting It's what's really interesting is how much of the 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.160 science the movie at least attempted to get right. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.040 I want to give it a lot of kudos. I do. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.760 I do think that it really tried, Like gold Star, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.200 you tried. It didn't just use black hole as some 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.240 sort of magic, magic placeholder, right. They tried to find 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.880 a way of explaining this, and there there is some 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.840 scientific basis for some other stuff they talk about anyway. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.320 But because it's a horror movie, Um, when it tried 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.080 to create this whole in space time to travel through, instead, 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.680 it accidentally ended up in a hell dimension. Yea, brought 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.320 a bunch of Hell back with it, and so that's haunted. 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.440 The ship is haunted by Hell and or is Hell itself. Yeah, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.160 it could actually be possessed. It's a little weird. Yeah. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.040 So the idea of being that that when the gravity 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.720 drive is is activated, the ship travels through a dimension, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:20.920 in this case a hellish dimension of pure chaos and evil, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.320 as what character says, and uh, and that yeah, it 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.880 brings something back and the crew is deader than dead, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.400 super dead. Yeah, they are so dead. You see lots 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.880 of really really dead people and uh, and then the 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.479 rescue mission comes aboard and tries to do what they're 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.880 supposed to do, and then hilarity ensues. We won't spoil everything, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.679 but essentially, obviously you have to dismantle the rescue ship 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.280 or else they could just leave, so that gets taken 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.280 care of. Then you have to separate out the crew 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.599 members for various reasons, and then have terrible things happened 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.320 to them. And all this happens at great gore and 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:03.039 uh and detail and entertaining. It's not at all not Shakespeare, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.880 but it's fun. I I really appreciate that the film 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.600 and and this was this was directed by Paul Anderson. 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.080 A Paul Anderson. He has some initials in there somewhere 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.080 that I'm completely missing, and I did not write them down. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:17.440 But he's the same guy who directed the Mortal Kombat movie. Yes, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.400 he said that he wanted to have a turn at 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:24.039 directing something a little more eyebrow. No, he was talking 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.960 about gory. He wanted to make. He wanted a chance 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.280 to make an R rated picture after That's right, because 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:32.080 Mortal Kombat was PG thirteen. Um and and I and 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:33.680 I do, like I said, I want to give the 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.279 film a lot of kudos, you know. Okay, so it 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:39.560 starts out with this brief timeline, and I'd say that 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.960 it was a hopeful but not completely ridiculous timeline. They 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.160 were saying that the first permanent moon colony in this 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.320 in this science fiction setting was in uh and that 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:54.080 commercial mining on Mars began in two considering that, you know, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.240 we've got some some outfits here on Earth that are 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.040 trying to get to Mars around that's time period, all right, Yeah, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.720 and the lunar colony in is way too ambitious, but well, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.840 but back in there was no way of knowing that 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.120 the space program was going to going to have so 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:17.440 many financial hits. Um so, yeah, getting into it. One 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.040 thing that confused me was the idea of even having 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.000 a ship. Now the cover the event Horizons Outer Solar 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.120 System Exploration, which a cover story, yeah it was to 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.880 say code black, but the real reason, that's the actual 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.200 thing that they said in the film. And I'm still 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.400 not sure what that means. It sounds really nifty, right, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.200 I guess it just means super duper secret, y'all. You 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.800 have to know the secret handshake in order to get 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.279 access to it. But the thing that made me confused 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.680 was just the idea of even building a ship for 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.839 that sort of thing we've built so that people can 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.320 get out onto the surface if Neptune and walk around 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.360 and on gas giants. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. Um, 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.760 you know, really hot gas giants where the winds are 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:59.279 two point one thousand kilometers per rights has the most 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.919 high worse winds in the entire Solar System. Not a 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:06.240 not a very nice place to go visit, yea. So 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.359 it's and lots of methane in the atmosphere too, not 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.040 great hydrogen and helium also in the atmosphere. It's not 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.400 a very great planet to to go visit if you 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:18.000 don't have some massive protection around you. It just seems 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.360 weird because we could do robotic probes that kind of 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:24.040 stuff for that sort of thing, but whatever, so uh, 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.520 they'll also just get all the way. This is one 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.080 of those space movies where we do hear sounds in 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.800 space and the initial sequence turns out to be a 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.560 dream sequence. So you can't entirely blame the fact that 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.680 you're hearing a thunderstorm on Neptune from space on on 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.280 the fact that it's Yeah, it's some sort of hallucination, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.360 hallucination or dream or something. But assuming the rest of 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.120 the movie is not a hallucination or dream, which as 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.240 far as I can tell, that's not the intention. Point. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.520 There's plenty of examples of hearing sound in space, absolutely 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.200 not necessarily that the characters hear it, but the audience. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.560 Here's it also a good point from from this general 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.240 area of the film. They're um, they're showing spaceships as 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:07.400 being three dimensional and spaces being three dimensional and things 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.360 coming at each other from different angles, which I absolutely 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.680 approve it. Right, it's not all in the same plane 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.160 like it would be in most Star Trek. Not all 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.040 Star Trek, but most start certain points. Star Trek really 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.960 only discovered that space is multidimensional, I think, like in 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.040 the game. Yeah, and so there's also some other interesting 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.200 things that they do have artificial gravity in this in 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.960 this universe. We don't know how they generated, although they 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.760 appear to have some other means of controlling gravity with 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.400 the gravity drive. They talk about using electro magnets to 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.400 control the flow of gravitons. Uh, gravitons right now are 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:45.040 a hypothetical particle. We think they exist based upon the math, 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.440 but we have not identified or observed gravitons. But but 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.719 I'm cool with this science fiction film positing that we're 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.120 going to discover the graviton particle within the next forty years. Okay, 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:58.800 cool with thirty years. Yeah right, that's right. Sorry, I'm old. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.640 That's cool. So so it's it's yeah, it's it's one 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.800 of those things where maybe if they discovered gravitons, they 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.040 also figured out how to create artificial gravity, because what 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.319 they are not doing is creating it through rotating a 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.800 spaceship or space station in order to use the centripetal 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:20.560 force to kind of fake gravity, right, so you know, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.640 we're well, we'll give him that too. I won't. I 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:28.520 don't understand ever, shaving with a straight razor. I don't 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.920 have to shave my face, so I just don't think 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.000 that's a wise idea to do in space. But then 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.280 I mean, if you've got artificial gravity, you're pretty This 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.880 is this is Sam Neil's character, Samuel playing the the 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.320 physicist who, as it turns out, designed this event horizonship 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.240 and um and he's got some problems that the film 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.520 goes into pretty extensively, and so the straight razor, as 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.480 it turns out is symbolic, right, You find out that 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:56.200 his wife committed suicide with a straight which makes me 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.760 even more concerned for him that he's using that to 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.959 shave with. Yeah, y'all, this is a bad This is 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.920 going bad places. The psychologist would probably have a few 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.920 things to say about it. Uh. I thought that the 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.480 space station that Sam Neel's character is on at the 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.400 beginning of the film was a little odd in that 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.240 it's think of a massive grid made out of like 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.760 scaffolding or if you've ever worked on a theater set 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:21.920 where you've got the grid that you hang the lights 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.199 off of that looks like the skeleton of this space 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.600 station and just looks like a massive grid of this stuff, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.200 like the set to Stomp or something. Yeah, and occasionally 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.839 you have these habitats that are you know, you can 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.920 tell that they're these these things that are connected to 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.400 the gritting grid structure that are where everyone lives, but 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.440 they don't seem to be connected to each other, Like 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.360 they're on different parts of the grid and this thing 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.000 isn't informed to be connected. Yeah, you wouldn't really want 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.160 to spacewalk in between them. Spacewalking is pretty dangerous and 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:56.240 lower orbit, which a little okay title comes up that 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.520 says lower. I didn't pay attention at that point, and 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.280 I took notes, and I could not remember where if 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.640 the space station was an orbit around Earth or Mars, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.480 because there were comments that made me think, well, maybe 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.320 they were in orbit of Mars. So that makes some 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.160 of the rest of this discussion much easier for me. 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.480 But I did think it was neat that it looked modular, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.240 which meant, you know, that makes sense. You would want 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.200 to be able to build onto any sort of permanent 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.400 space station, uh in a way that would allow you 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.600 to not have to reinmit the wheel every time. So 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.920 if it's modular, you just add a new module on. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.000 That makes sense, So all right, I'm giving it that too. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:34.080 The rescue ship is called the Lewis and Clark, named 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:39.840 after the explorers who quote unquote discovered lots of stuff 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.679 in America if you can consider people who had been 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.480 living there for hundreds and hundreds of years to be 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:51.440 not important enough to say they discovered it, but they um. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.280 I thought the design of this was a little weird, 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:56.920 particularly the bridge. I wrote down that their seating structure 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.360 that main cappens tear drives me crazy. It's so, this 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.200 is a bridge in which all of the you know, 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.200 crew member chairs are normal kind of chairs. They can 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.240 roll around a little bit, but they basically a fixed 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.920 so the ground, kind of like office chairs chairs, ish um. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.560 And this captain's chair is suspended from this kind of 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.000 track in the ceiling like a like a roller coaster seat. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:25.240 And it looks really goofy and I'm not share what 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.240 they were going. Lawrence Fishburn, who plays the captain, sits 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.000 in this chair. It means that his feet are actually 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.720 dangling off the ground. He's not. He doesn't have contact 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.400 with the ground. It allows him to turn degrees and 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.080 move along this track, but so would a chair with 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:41.360 wheels on it and or standing up. Yeah, so I 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.400 don't understand this because if you were to argue, well 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.600 this way, if there were some sort of problem, his 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.120 chair wouldn't go sliding all over the room. But then 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.160 everyone else's chairs seemed to have that ability. There's one 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.840 guy who pushes back from his workstation and rolls halfway 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.280 across the bridge. So if you're not going to do 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.440 it for everybody, don't do it for anyone. That's what 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.880 I say. Let's make this fair. Gosh, darn't it um? 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.120 But yeah, I just thought that was a weird thing. Yeah, No, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.680 I I did want to say that, I that I 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.120 do actually like the design aesthetic of the Lewis and 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.960 Clark because it's more functional than pretty most of the time, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.280 and I feel like it's very much based in the 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.080 general aesthetic of today's NASA ships. Right, it looks it 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.720 looks like it's functional. It doesn't look like it's made 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.000 out of you know, it's not. It's not some sort 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.400 of Star Wars type thing where everything is pristine and 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.640 beautiful as long as you're working for the Empire. It's 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.360 it's definitely it's more on the firefly range where this 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.320 this looks like this is something that does work. It 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.679 doesn't look like it's a set necessarily, right. You know, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.880 it's a little bit roomier than perhaps a real spaceship 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.760 would be in order to have those those good cameras, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:46.880 but better than that, I'm willing to give them that. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.160 It reminded me a little bit of like an expanded submarine, 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.120 which is kind of what you would expect down the 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.560 propulsion system. I thought was really interesting. They talk this 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.360 is kind of just mentioned offhand and dialogue. That's an 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.840 ion drive, which those really existing. Yeah, yeah, so an 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.600 ion drive uses thrusters and ionized particles. Those are charged 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.920 particles in order to accelerate, and they can generate these 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.000 charged particles and excite them in two major ways right now. 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.600 We have the electrostatic force, which involves usually bombarding particles 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.360 with electron beams so that you build up a negative charge. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.480 And there's also the electro magnetic approach, where you use 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:26.520 electromagnets to excite these ions at any rate. Either way 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:30.160 you're using this, you can output these ions and create thrust. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.680 But the thing about this is that it builds acceleration 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.080 and the accelerating force is very low, so it reaches 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.880 very fast acceleration at the end of this process, but 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.800 it takes a minute to get it takes a long time. Yeah, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.840 you're talking about like it's it's continuously accelerating, so it's 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.080 not like it accelerates and then just stops, but at 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:54.880 the rate of acceleration is very low. So I'm a 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.240 little concerned that they wouldn't be able to get from 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.880 Earth to Neptune and any reasonable amount of time using 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.560 an eye on drive. I mean I guess you could 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.320 do it, but I think it would take longer than 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:10.480 fifty six days, which is how long it takes within 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.240 the film. Actually did do the math, and the current 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.000 ion fusters that we've got can reach speeds of some 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.720 ninety kilometers per second, which is over two hundred thousand 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.880 miles per hour in space, which is pretty screaming compared 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.120 with like the Space Shuttle, which is about eighteen thousand 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:29.400 kilometers per second UM. But even if the vehicle could 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:31.920 go at that speed, the entire distance from Earth to Neptune, 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:33.800 which it could not see above ree, it takes a 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.680 long time to warm up UM, it would still take 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:38.840 five dred and fifty three days unless I did the 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.640 math wrong, which I don't. I don't think it sounds 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.000 about right because the distance between Earth and Neptune is 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.800 about four point four billion kilometers, and granted, we're talking 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.160 about forty years in the future, and forty years can 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.440 bring a lot of technological changes. I think it's a possibility, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.360 but it's a stretch, yeah, cutting it down. I mean, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.520 you're just talking about such huge distances, and keep in 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.240 mind four point four billion kilometers that's the average distance 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:04.240 between Neptuno an Earth change. So I calculated that um 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.560 from the closest point at which it's about four point 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.280 three billion miles, right, Yeah, And and even then you 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.560 have to plan it, like just as we had to 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.160 plan the Curiosity or over to land on Mars months 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.200 in advance, because you know the orbits as the their 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.880 you know, the plants continue to move across their orbital 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.400 past even after you launch the ship, because they do 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.360 not just hold in place. Yeah, so you can't. You 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.440 can't just launch when they're closest, because they'll be moving 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.400 apart from each other from that moment moving on. So 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:35.720 it's complicated. You'll um. But at any rate, in order 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.080 to not be bored for some fifty days on this ship, 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.320 that die or die I guess the crew goes into stasis. Right. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.960 They do give the excuse of of of at the 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.480 speeds that we're going, your skull would liquefy, which is 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:50.160 not true. That is super inaccurate. Okay, yeah, they're talking 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.200 about they would endure forces of excess of thirty g 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:56.560 s or around thirty g s. That's thirty times the 0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.720 gravitational force you feel here on Earth. All right, here's 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.720 some other issues. First of all, going into stasis. That's 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.679 always a problem, right as far as we understand it today, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.879 because anything that is going to slow down your bodily 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.320 functions is not really that good for you and montion 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.760 the time movies portray it as freezing or in this case, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.880 it's being in this giant s. Yeah, it's it's more 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.960 liquid than goo. I would say it comes on like water, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.520 but it's um. That's just not good for your body. No, No, 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.280 your skin will absorb liquid, especially once the oils begin 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.240 to wash off. That's why if you spend too long 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.280 in the bath or the pool, your fingers start to 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.159 prune up. Your epidermis is absorbing water. And wherever the 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.359 epidermis and dermis meat it's anchored, that's where you have 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.240 those those valley parts, the crevices that are in the 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.040 pruny skin, and then the bulgy bits that's where all 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:49.480 the liquid has been absorbed. So imagine that all over 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.880 your body. It's not great. It gives rise to potential 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.560 for bacterial infections. It's bad stuff. Also, your muscles would 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.000 atrophy after you had been spending that much time we're 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:03.360 talking about, you know, two months in in non you know, motionless, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.520 you would be in bad shape by the end of that. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.359 They don't appear to be at all affected in that way. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.560 They cough a bit and that's it. Yeah, Sam Neil's character, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.320 who is not used to it, kind of stumbles a 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.600 little bit and like isn't sure if he wants coffee, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.960 And that's that's about the that's the worst problem he has. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.239 But the other side of it, the whole thirty G issue. So, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:29.240 first of all, the the record for enduring gravitational forces 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:33.200 goes to UH, to John Stapp who for a very 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.080 very short moment experienced a force of forty six point 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:42.240 two gs. He was doing UH acceleration tests. You know, 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.320 this was part of the whole like how much can 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:49.119 a person endure um turns out, you know, anything above 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:54.080 say twenty geez or so you're talking eyeballs out gravitational forces. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.000 That's what they refer to it as. By the way, guys, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.600 so at four six point two his eyeball stayed in 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.560 his head. They didn't pop out. That's a relief, but 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.879 he did suffer permanent eye damage. He had vision problems 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.639 for the rest of his life. He did live a 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.240 good long while after that. It wasn't like he you know, 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.320 suffered serious health issues that led to his death. But 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.160 he did have serious health issues, they just were chronic 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.119 and lasted, you know, for the rest of his life. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.480 So uh, but at for the six point two g's 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.760 even at that incredible amount of force supply to you, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.520 your skull will not liquefy. Your brains and eyeballs might 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.320 if if you're exposed to it for long enough period 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.080 of time, you know, so a certain fifty two days, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.080 like a couple of months, Yeah, you might have some issues, 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.479 uh at that point. So yes, it would be deadly. However, 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.760 I'm pretty sure that submerging someone in liquid would not 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.359 mean that you had to get out of jail free 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.840 card for enduring that amount of force, especially not water. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:52.600 I don't think that's how it works. No, if you 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.439 if you were suddenly put under the ocean at a 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.480 depth where the pressure would be enough to crush you, you 0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.520 you still get rushed, even if you know the whole 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.399 thing in the abyss where they have to breathe in 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.000 the liquid oxygen is meant to say that if you 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:11.639 have yeah, if you have air inside your lungs, then 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.240 that's going to pop your lungs. But by putting liquid 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.240 you can endure more pressure, you still are not able 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:20.200 to endure endless amounts of pressure, So I'm not sure 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.239 that that would necessarily help. But then that brings us 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:27.720 to the kind of computer devices they use, which are tablets. Yeah, 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:31.520 and I think that it's a pretty Again, it's a 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.760 pretty good estimation of what they were going to have. 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.280 And you know, no one working on this movie clearly 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.960 had talked to Steve Jobs, and I knew that the 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.320 iPad was going to come out. Yeah, we U seven. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.240 That might have been a little premature. Yeah, yeah, I 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.240 mean it's they use tablet computers. I think by twenty 0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:52.240 four you will probably have moved beyond your basic tablet. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.400 But again, you're extrapolating from now as opposed to from 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:57.800 That's another thing that I'm willing to give them a 0:20:57.800 --> 0:20:59.639 pass on due to the fact that all of the 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.040