1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace murdered Mattie Soto's mom says 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: she feared a Woody Allen situation. Really, yet she continued 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: to allow her than twelve year old little girl to 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: sleep every. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 2: Night in the bed alone with mommy's boyfriend. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: This as on secretly recorded Jill House calls, we hear 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: mommy's boyfriend turned murder suspect state Mattie started it. I'm 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: with us. 10 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 3: So you're saying, presumably her school competer was in her backpack, Well, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: I can confidently tell you she did not go to 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: school with her backpack because we found in the terms. 13 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's mom's living boyfriend. 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: Stephan Star Earns trying to describe explain why Mattie's backpack 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: was found in the trash, talking about that she went 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: into school the whole time. He knows why her backpack 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: is in the trash, according to prosecutors, because he put 18 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: it there trying to hide Evans. But in the most 19 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: recent and bizarre turn of events, murdered Mattie Soto's mother. 20 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: Led this think in who has gotten. 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Immunity, says she feared a Woody Allen type situation. 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: Listen. 23 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 4: I've always told him that my biggest fear is that 24 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 4: this would turned into a Woody Allen situation where the 25 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 4: stepdaughter followers, the Chad grooms the child, and the child 26 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: in it turns eighteen bringing away with him. I told 27 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: him that that was my biggest fear and I don't 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 4: ever want that happening, Like, you can't do that to me. 29 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: Like, so take a listen to this. 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 5: So if we go back to twenty twenty, we're looking 31 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 5: at a minimum of three and a half year, three 32 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: and a half years where I'm sure you guys are 33 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 5: sexually active. Yes, so for three and a half years 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 5: out of your care and your house, not only is 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 5: he being sexually active with you and having sexual relationship? 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: Did you hear that? Crying? See in my mind? 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Straight out to Shannon Butler joining US investigative reporter to 38 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: WFTV Channel nine in Florida where this happened. Shannon Butler, 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: those little gulps should have happened when she first thought 40 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: she had a quote Woody Allan situation between her living 41 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: boyfriend Stephan Stearns and her little girl then twelve. Of course, 42 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Matty told everyone the moment she turned thirteen. 43 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: She wanted to go live in the woods. 44 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: G I wonder why, but I think those tears would 45 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: have been more appropriate when she first had an inkling. 46 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: There was a Woody Allen's situation her words, not mine, Shannon. 47 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 6: Yeah. 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 7: Early on in this investigation, when we first talked to 49 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 7: investigators right after those interviews, just hours after those interviews, 50 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 7: they had told us they had felt that she was 51 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 7: much more upset over what was going on with Stephan 52 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 7: Sterns than what was going on with Madeline Soto. I 53 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 7: don't know if just hadn't sunk in yet that Madeline 54 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 7: may be found dead at this point, but they felt 55 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 7: that the tears and the anguish was much more about 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 7: Stephan Sterns and what was going on there than about 57 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 7: her daughter, and that always troubled those investigators early on 58 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 7: in those interviews there. I mean, you can see by 59 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 7: their behavior if you listen to this, they were agitated 60 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 7: in this interview, trying to figure out how this possibly 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 7: went awry, how she missed it. She said she knew 62 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 7: nothing about it, but in that comment that she was 63 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 7: worried about her daughter, in that Woody Allen right type situation. 64 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 7: Obviously there was some kind of feeling you had right 65 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 7: that something was amiss. 66 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Exactly, Shannon, And you know what, Shannon Butler, guys joining 67 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: me from WFTV Channel nine. 68 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: You really hit the nail on the head. I want 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: to hear this. 70 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: One more time because all she's talking about is me, me. 71 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: Me, me, me, me, me, me, me me me, nothing 72 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: about Maddie. Woman. Maddie is dead. 73 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: The state says your living boyfriend murdered her before she 74 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: could reveal you were raping her practically on a nightly basis, 75 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: alone in bed. 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: While mommy got a good night sleep in another room. 77 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: Listen to this. You're dead on, Shannon Butler. 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 4: I've always told him that my biggest fear is that 79 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: this would turned into a Woody Allen situation where the 80 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: stepdaughter followers, the dad, grooms the child and the child 81 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: and it turns eighteen bringing away with him. I told 82 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 4: him that that was my biggest fear, and I don't 83 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: ever want that happening. 84 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 7: Like, you can't do that to me. 85 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: Like you can't do that to me. Okay, wait, wait, 86 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: let's analyze this. She but worries onto something. 87 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: You have to dissect what she's saying, listen to this. 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: She says, I've always told him, Stephan Stearns, the alleged 89 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: killer and child rapist, her boyfriend, I've always told him 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: my fear is to turn into a Woody Allen situation 91 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: where the stepdaughter is she talking about her natural born daughter, 92 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: where the stepdaughter, the dad grooms the child, and then 93 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: the child turns eighteen after going through years of rapes, 94 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: which Maddie did, years of rapes, the child turns eighteen 95 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: and runs away with him, Like what, the child's getting 96 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: the big prize here in this scenario. 97 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: She runs away with him, And I told him. 98 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: That's my biggest fear, that her daughter would run away 99 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: with Stefan Stearn's a deadbeat, slung up in his girlfriend's home, 100 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: alternating between his mom's basement. 101 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: Don't ever, you can't do that to me. 102 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, there's so many directions to go right here. 103 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: Robin Drake is joining me, Guys. Robin Draeke, behavior expert, 104 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent Chief let This sink In, chief 105 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: of the FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program and author 106 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: of Sizing People Up, a veteran agent's manual for behavior prediction. Robin, Drake, 107 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: all mom cares about is Matti Soto now dead at 108 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: that time, a little twelve year old girl. She might 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: run away with the big catch, the BBD, the. 110 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: Bigger better deal. She might run off with Stepan Stearns 111 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,559 Speaker 2: and have them all to herself. Have I lost my mind? 112 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: That's what she's saying, Drake, I know. 113 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 8: No, I even wrote it on the sticky here. 114 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 9: I mean, he is so calm, I know, because there's 115 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 9: so many data points that are so predictable in this. 116 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 8: Everything she's been saying the. 117 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 9: Entire time is her her, like you said, like Shannon said, 118 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 9: you know, and that's what the investigators picked up on 119 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 9: right away, and that is they saw deviations from what 120 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 9: normal people that are missing their daughters normally react like. 121 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 9: And she spiked way out of the norm on that. 122 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 9: And there's so much leakage throughout this and even you know, 123 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 9: I know we're not haven't talked about it yet, but 124 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 9: even his parents, I mean, everyone is seeing patterns of 125 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 9: behavior that are deviating from what normal, healthy people do 126 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 9: and they're all signals that say and there's a lot 127 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 9: of unhealthy crazy going on here. 128 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: Okay, now you know what Robin Drake, no offense, but. 129 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: The FBI special Agent chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, 130 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I can say there's a whole lot of crazy going on. 131 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: I know that much. I'm just a lawyer. Okay, I'm 132 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: expecting a little bit more from you. 133 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: The mom suspected this a long time before Maddie was murdered. 134 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Before Maddie was raped as a little girl over and 135 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: over and over and over with this PERV. 136 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: According to the state, presumed innocent, with. 137 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: This PERV taking literally thousands and thousands of pictures of 138 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: him raping and sodomizing a little girl. 139 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: And it went back for years. 140 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: As I recall, if I'm wrong, Shannon jump In at 141 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: the time she was. 142 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 2: Nine years old, nine years. 143 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: Old, sodomizing her and taking videos of it. 144 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 8: Drake, Yeah, this is what evil looks like. 145 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 9: I'm just hoping that at some point they're uncovering a 146 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 9: mass of network that they're going to save other children 147 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 9: from this, because I seriously doubt, because of this pattern behavior, 148 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 9: that this was history. 149 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: Can we just save the whole squeeze lemons into lemonade thing, 150 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: that this has a silver lining and it's going to 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: be because because let me. 152 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: Tell you, something great. I do think there's going to. 153 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 9: I think we're going to get other people, though, I 154 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 9: see the only thing when. 155 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about a Woody Allen situation. 156 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: Unless you've been living in a cave. 157 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 10: Uh. 158 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 6: I want to. 159 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: Explain what Mattie's mom is talking about. 160 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 9: Listen, Woody Allen, Mia Pharaoh, that's the ideal power couple. 161 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: And he gave her everything she could possibly want. I 162 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: was over the moon happy. But that's the great regret 163 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: of my life. I wish i'd never met him. 164 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 6: Allan good eyes child abuse, but Prey admits he's in 165 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 6: love with another of Pharaoh's daughters, twenty one year old assumed. 166 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Twenty one Now, okay, right at the time, that's where 167 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: our friend's over at HBO. It's Alan v Pharaoh. Uh 168 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: was the name of the special at HBO. 169 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: Okay, you know what. 170 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: I just got to get my head around this. Mia 171 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: Pharaoh says she had no idea that anything inappropriate or 172 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: illegal may have been going on, and I have spoken 173 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: with family members, and I believe me a pharaoh. But 174 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: she gets a very rude awakening, according to her, when 175 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: she comes home and finds a stack of X rated 176 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: polaroid pictures of her daughter. 177 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 10: Sunny. 178 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: Listen, there was a stack of polaroid pictures. All of 179 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: them were of my own child. I remember struggling to breathe. 180 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: That is mea pharaoh speaking to our friends at HBO 181 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: and Alan v Pharaoh Okay, struggled to breathe, joining me, 182 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: Anna Sonoda, joining us child sex abuse grooming expert, clinical 183 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: social worker and author of Duck Duck Groom, and I 184 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know what, Anna, 185 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm just a. 186 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: Trial lawyer, and I tried a lot, a lot. 187 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: I can't even count how many cases I've either tried 188 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: or investigated and brought to a guilty plea chamla stations 189 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: where the. 190 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 2: Mother knew full well what was going on. 191 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: She either knew outright or she put on blinders and 192 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: didn't want to see. 193 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't believe that about Mia Pharaoh. 194 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: I believe Mia Pharaoh really did come home and find 195 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: these polaroid photos, because when she says I remember I 196 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: couldn't breathe, it hit her like a train. Unlike the 197 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: case here where Maddie Soto's mother way back said I 198 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: feared a. 199 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: Woody Allen type situation. 200 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I had so many moms I 201 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: just wanted to give them a finger necklace because they 202 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: would go along with it or choose not to say 203 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: that their child is being raped and sodomized. 204 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 10: Nancy, this is gruesome. 205 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 6: You know. 206 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 10: Even the fact that we have to have this conversation 207 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 10: is an alert, big red flag for anybody who's currently dating, 208 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 10: has anybody coming in and out of their lives when 209 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 10: they have children in the house. You know, predators go 210 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 10: out of their way to be selective and intentional with 211 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 10: who they choose to date, and women who are raising 212 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 10: minor children are a perfect choice for a potential predator. Here, 213 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 10: in this case, we have child maltreatment at a minimum, 214 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 10: because child sexual abuse is not random and it's not sudden. 215 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 10: This was a reoccurring situation, chronic situation for poor Mattie 216 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 10: that she had to endure because no one was protecting her. 217 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 11: When you guys show me the future of her, I 218 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 11: believe the sexual stuff, but I didn't want to believe 219 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 11: that he had done anything equal to her. I'm like, no, 220 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 11: if she what if he did this? Stop buying? But 221 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 11: what if she's still missing out there? What if somebody 222 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 11: took her? I still wanted to believe his I believed him. 223 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 11: I believed his whole story. So I was just like, 224 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 11: I kept repeating that part. I'm just like, what did 225 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 11: she take? 226 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 7: I dropped off? 227 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 11: What if she got abductive? 228 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: What if she's missing? What is this woman on about? 229 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: What is she saying? 230 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: After you showed me the images of my living boyfriend, 231 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: Stephan Stearns raping and sodomizing my twelve year old, I 232 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: didn't want to think he did anything evil to her? 233 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: What okay? 234 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 12: That said? 235 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: Let's move forward with what we're learning now. Mom long 236 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: fear in a Woody Allen type situation, but did nothing 237 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: about it. I want you to see new video that 238 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: we have obtained of the defendant, Stephan Stearns, acting out 239 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: how Mattie was asleep in his car, Shannon Butler joining 240 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: me WFTV. Mattie wasn't asleep, she. 241 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: Was dead, propped up in his car and buckled in. 242 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 7: Buckled in yes, assumingly. He wanted to do that because 243 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 7: he drove out of the condo complex right on the 244 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 7: way to school, so that would work with his story 245 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 7: that I took her to school that day. So if 246 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 7: there were cameras or any of the neighbors had seen him. 247 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 7: They could be like, oh, I saw him, she was 248 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 7: in the front seat and they were driving out of 249 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 7: the complex to match his story. But investigators knew right 250 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 7: away from looking at that video, they knew Madeleinsoto at 251 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 7: that moment was not alive. That is why they came 252 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 7: out so early and could say that they believed that 253 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 7: she was already dead before she left the apartment complex 254 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 7: because that video to them was very very clear that 255 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 7: she was not moving in that front seat. 256 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: So doctor Eric Ethon joining me more certified forensic pathologist 257 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and consultant doctor Esen, I guess he buckled Maddie's dead 258 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: body in because he didn't want to get pulled over 259 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: on a seat belt violation. The reality is, doctor Esen, 260 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: is that at that time rigor had likely not set in, 261 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: so her body would have still been limp, so he 262 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: had to buckle her in or should fall over. 263 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 6: Correct. 264 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 12: Yeah, the body still would have been limp, and she 265 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 12: STI would have been warm as well, because it takes 266 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 12: time after death to occur for the rigor to set 267 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 12: in and for the body to cool or rather assume 268 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 12: the surrounding environmental temperature, and then there's also lividity that 269 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 12: would take a while to set in, that settling of 270 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 12: the blood after death. 271 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: Old on Nelly, Wait a minute, slow down, man. I 272 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: know this is a regular talk for you Emmy's they're 273 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: in the medical examiner's lounge. But slow down for all 274 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: of us novices, Okay. Rigor is when the body stiffens up, 275 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: that there's a live or mortis where the blood settles 276 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: down to the lowest point of your body, like if 277 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: you're on your back, all the blood in your body 278 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: goes to your back and your end and the back 279 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: of your legs. So explain to me why he had 280 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: to buckle her up because rigor had not yet set 281 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: in in regular people talk. 282 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 12: Please, Well, she hadn't gotten stiff yet, so she was 283 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 12: not gonna be able to just sit there in the 284 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 12: car seat without flopping over, and so it had to 285 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 12: be buckled in. 286 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: What exactly is rigor and does it set in and 287 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: then dissolve over a period of hours or do you 288 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: stay in rigor? 289 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 12: No, it's muscle stiffness, So the muscles don't contract, they 290 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 12: just become stiff due to the body depleting this chemical 291 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 12: known as ATP. But trying to keep it simple. The 292 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 12: body becomes stiff, and then over time you'll reach a 293 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 12: full stiffness, full rigor, and then it'll slowly go away. 294 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 12: It all takes. It depends on how you die and 295 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 12: the surrounding an environmental temperature. But it comes on, then 296 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 12: it goes away, Doctor eric Ason. 297 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, while I'm analyzing a case 298 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: or I'm investigating a case, and I'm running down the 299 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, sometimes it's easy to forget. We're talking about 300 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: a little girl that just turned thirteen, that had been 301 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: living in hell for years, since she was at least nine, 302 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: And we figure that out because of how far back 303 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: the video and photo images on his phone go. He, 304 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: according to the state, had been raping and sodomizing this 305 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: little girl and taking videos of it. 306 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: In mommy home for years. 307 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: And you and I are talking about rigor and why 308 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: he had to buckle her in and what is life 309 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: and mortis and what is rigor? Morris and I have 310 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: to think about my little girl and my little boy 311 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: at age twelve. It's easy to forget that or do 312 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: we just want to forget about it when we're trying 313 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: to analyze, because it's hard to focus on probative issues 314 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: and forensics when you're thinking about your own child. 315 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 12: Correct exactly. I mean that her she was going through 316 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 12: hell leading up to the death, and then we haven't 317 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 12: even talked about the actual cause of death itself. So 318 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 12: you know, she was strangled, which is a very violent 319 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 12: way to be killed, especially if you're a twelve year 320 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 12: old by another man. 321 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: So a grown man, mommy's boyfriend that has been molesting 322 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: you for years. Okay, guys, I steered us off course, 323 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: but I want to you to see what I saw, 324 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: and I couldn't verbalize why I was so aghast when 325 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: I saw it, But you'll understand. 326 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say any thinks she was just a sleeper, 327 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: she's just reclient in the chair of sleeping. Okay, explain 328 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 3: to me like reclaiming backwards. Yes, thank you, laying back. 329 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 12: In the chaff. 330 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two. 331 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: Renowned and veteran trial lawyer Philip Dubay joining us LA 332 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: County Public Defender's Office, which means he's tried a lot 333 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: of cases. They can't even say no, this case disgusts me. 334 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: The judge says, you're on it. You're the public defender 335 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: have fun with that. 336 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: So I guess, h Philip, I'd like you to. 337 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: Look one more time at mom's live in a boyfriend 338 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: acting out how little Maddie Soto just turned thirteen. I 339 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: just dozed off in the front seat of his car 340 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: on the way to school one morning. 341 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 2: She was sleepy. 342 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 7: Watch it's gonna say you think she was just a sleeper. 343 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: She was just her client in the chair sleeping, Okay, 344 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: explain to me like reclining backwards, yes, thank you, laying 345 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 3: back in. 346 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: The shar Do you see him leaning his head back 347 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: like he'sozing. 348 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: I guess, Philip, debate. 349 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: That's why you tell all your clients not to speak 350 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: to LA law enforcement. 351 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 13: Of course, and they never listen, and that's why we 352 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 13: all have a job in this system. But I will 353 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 13: say this, to be fair, a lot of kids at 354 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 13: that age you have to get up at six six 355 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 13: thirty are tired. They're sitting in the car, They've maybe 356 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 13: just had a little bit of breakfast, they are fatigued themselves. 357 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 13: They're not exactly like the energized bun looking forward to 358 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 13: going into a car. 359 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 14: Do you say, are you saying she maybe was a 360 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 14: sleep How does that How in this world does that 361 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 14: have anything to do with Mattie, rape, sodomized and dead 362 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 14: by strangulation, and you're talking about some other child might 363 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 14: be a little sleepy in the morning. 364 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: What because they had to get up at six thirty. 365 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with Maddie. She's dead. She 366 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: was dead in that photo. 367 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 13: Where's the proof of that beyond a reasonable doubt? So far, 368 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 13: the evidence is the kid was in the front seat, 369 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 13: was tired, leaned her head back, and that's it. I 370 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 13: have not heard one shred of forensic evidence that this 371 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 13: child was in fact clinically dead in the front seat 372 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 13: of that car. All we know is that she was 373 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 13: there and may have dozed off. That's it. 374 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: Okay, Shannon Butler, can you please help me throw me 375 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: a bone? I need life raft Actually, Shannon joining us WFTV, 376 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: explain to Debay how you and I know she was dead. 377 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: According to the state in that car buckled and so 378 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: she wouldn't fall over. 379 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 7: So investigators were very certain when they looked at that 380 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 7: video of the car driving out of that complex, they 381 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 7: could tell just from the video that Madeleine Soda was 382 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 7: already dead. Now, the timeline of when she was killed. 383 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 7: That is still a mystery. They don't know what happened 384 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 7: inside the house, but they know what she was buckled 385 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 7: into the front seat of that car, that she was 386 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 7: already dead. They knew it by looking at it. There 387 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 7: was no doubt in their minds. They came out very 388 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 7: very early and said that Madeline Soda was no longer 389 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 7: a live They could tell, they said, because she looked 390 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 7: limp and was slumped over in the seat. It didn't 391 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 7: look like she was sleeping to that. 392 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: You know what, I've got a very strong feeling that 393 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: Debay is not going to buy that because investigators said so. 394 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: Dodger Erry Ason, she Maddie never made it to middle 395 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: school that morning at Hunter's Creek Middle School. 396 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: She never got there. 397 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: Okay, the last time she was seen she was in 398 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: that car with Stephan Stearns. Her mother did not speak 399 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: to her as normal that morning before she went to school. 400 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: The mother did not. 401 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: Hear her voice to know she was alive that morning 402 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: before she went to school. 403 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: She didn't make it to school. So we know. 404 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: That indicates anyway, very strongly, circumstantially, that she was dead 405 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: before that. We know, based on eye witnesses that shortly 406 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: after she was seen in the car with Sterns. Her 407 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: body was dumped. He was spotted at the location where 408 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: her body was dumped, going into the woods. Her body 409 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: was dumped shortly after that picture. Now, isn't it true, 410 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: doctor Ason, that a medical examiner can typically place a 411 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: time of death? Isn't that true? 412 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 12: We can come up with a pretty good range, and 413 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 12: so you base it on when they were last known 414 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 12: alive and then when they were found dead, and you 415 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 12: put a bunch of the pieces together, and then you 416 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 12: combine that with some of the postpartum changes that would 417 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 12: have occurred, and so we're usually able to narrow it 418 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 12: down within a pretty good range for the most part. 419 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 11: Yes, I believe the actual stuff, but I didn't want 420 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 11: to believe that he had done any. 421 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 15: Able to her. 422 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 4: But that was me assuming that you guys have the 423 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 4: wrong guy. 424 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to believe you had the wrong guy, even 425 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: after seeing those horrific sex attack images of Stephan Starn's 426 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: allegedly attacking her little girl. For years, he kept all 427 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: those videos, which is a whole other can of worms. 428 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: To doctor Jory Krausen, joining US Psychologists Faculty, Saint Leo 429 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: University and author Operation Soos, doctor Jory Craws, And why 430 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: do perps want to save their rape videos? 431 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 6: That's a great question. It's because of fantasy. Okay. To 432 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 6: really understand a sexual offender, you've got to get into 433 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 6: their fantasy world and they want to relive that. That's 434 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 6: the whole key, the whole drive of the sexual offender. 435 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 6: You notice on the report they talked about the pictures 436 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 6: were still like she was sleeping. Several of them identified 437 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 6: him with her where her eyes were closed as sleeping. 438 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 6: There's also a report where one of his previous girlfriend's 439 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 6: reports that in order to get an erection, she had 440 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 6: a play like she was dead. Okay, So those are 441 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 6: two connecting behavioral patterns that are very magnificant and tie 442 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 6: into his fantasy world. 443 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: Uh you know what, doctor Crawsin, I never said this 444 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: to you, but you're kind of creeping me out, and 445 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: I thought i'd seen it all. I'm going to move 446 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: on from that at his completely accurate Doctor Jory Crawsin. 447 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: Not only is Mama on record claiming she feared a 448 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: Woody Allen situation between Stephan Stearns and her little girl. 449 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: But yet did nothing about it. 450 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: And we have Stephan Stearns acting out how Maddie was 451 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: asleep in the front of his car buckled in. There 452 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: are photos and videos taken of Stephan Stern's Listen. 453 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 7: He go ahead and turn around saying the wall, put 454 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 7: your hands behind your back, put together on your praying 455 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 7: just like that. 456 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: Going to spread your feet for me. Did you get 457 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: a really good picture of this right here the school area? 458 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 2: See right there? 459 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: They are trying to get photos of his hands, his wrists, 460 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: his arm below the elbow. I wonder if there were 461 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: scratches or bruises there where Maddy tried to fight back. 462 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, I want to look at that video from 463 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: beginning to end. 464 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: One more time. 465 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: If you don't mind control room, let's just start it 466 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: at the get go. Okay, take a look at this guy, 467 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: Stephan Stearns. Look at him now. Think about a little 468 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: nine year old girl seeing this coming into the bedroom 469 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: every night, and what could she. 470 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: Do Anna Sonoda. 471 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: She couldn't call out to mommy because in her mind 472 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: that wouldn't do any good because mommy loves. 473 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 10: Her rapist Nancy and had to pay the ultimate price 474 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 10: for Jennifer to continue our relationship with an evil predator. 475 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 10: In the form of Stefan. We know that grooming was 476 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 10: taking place. We know that the highest risk environment for 477 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 10: a child is their home where they live. And again 478 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 10: and again, Jennifer opened the door to this predator, allowing 479 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 10: him to come in. And where were the mandated observers 480 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 10: in this situation. You know, children are sitting ducks. They 481 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 10: need our protection at all times, and unfortunately, predators get 482 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 10: to run on gas, grooming, access in space. Stefan had 483 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 10: all three in this case, and it led to a 484 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 10: devastating tragedy on all fronts. 485 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 7: I've never seen any sign. I tried watching her like 486 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 7: a hog. 487 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 4: I thought I was doing a good job, but it wasn't. 488 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 7: I was oblivious to every four years. 489 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to believe her, but yet I 490 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: know that in the last hours we find out that 491 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: prior to watching her like a hawk, mom Jennifer Soto 492 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: feared a Woody Allen type situation between her little girl 493 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: and her living boyfriend Stefan Sterns. 494 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: Okay, there's more. 495 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Stephan Sterns actually blames the state for inflating his charges, 496 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: artificially inflating his charges. Mattie's dead, She's been raped and 497 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: sodomized for years, So I don't think those charges need inflating. 498 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: Mister Sterns, listen to this. 499 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 15: Were you expecting these charges? The burger charge? Oh well 500 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 15: you get motly so you got blindsided by that? 501 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 16: Yeah, obviously you know it's not true. You know I 502 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 16: never would have wanted her and read him, so you 503 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 16: know he meditated first degree is kind of clients. 504 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: These recorded phone calls. I don't know how in this 505 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: day and age you cannot know your jail calls are 506 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: being recorded. That said, take a look at what Stephan 507 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: Stearn's is actually saying straight out to Robin and Drake 508 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: joining Us, former FBI Chief of FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral 509 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Analysis Program, author of a lot of books. Robin, do 510 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: you hear what he's saying in that first bit of sound? 511 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: And this is him talking to his mom and dad 512 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: and let me tell you, I'm going to play some more. 513 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: And dad, who I think was former l E law 514 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: enforcement man, he can smell some serious hot steam and 515 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: BS he's talking to his son, who's like, what but here? 516 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: Just just kick it off. Stephan starn says, I don't 517 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: know what the plan is. Are they just trying to 518 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: scare me depleting down. Oh no, Sterns, that ain't gonna happen. 519 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: You're not bleating down? What involuntary manslaughter or fat chance? 520 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: They're trying to scare me and trying to hurt me 521 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: as much as possible. Maddie was left dead right sodomized, 522 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: her stuff on in a dumpster, her body found, and 523 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: he's saying, they're just trying to hurt me as much 524 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: as possible. 525 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 9: Response isn't as completely shocking and important about how there's 526 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 9: so little regard for the dead little girl by both. 527 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 8: Him and her mom. 528 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 9: And like you just pointed out, it's really really striking 529 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 9: to me about how the parents seem to be kind 530 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 9: of just knowledgeable in some way. You know, it's not 531 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 9: like a shocks them. And can you imagine any one 532 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 9: of your beautiful little children being accused of something like this, 533 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 9: You know, the shock that disbelief, because if you are 534 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 9: used to seeing and having a healthy relationship with your 535 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 9: child and something like this happens, it's a huge shock 536 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 9: to your system. But this doesn't send me much of 537 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 9: a shock to them. There's a lot of leakage for 538 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 9: a lot of years that they didn't like the behaviors 539 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 9: they were seeing and you're hearing it come out in 540 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 9: this conversation right here, and then his self centered focus 541 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 9: is just on full display. 542 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shannon Butler are joining me. 543 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine, Florida. Shannon is Stefan Stearn's dad, 544 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: former law enforcement. 545 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 7: He knew you could tell in those calls. He knew exactly, Oh. 546 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, good, that's what I was just gonna say. 547 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: I know he roomed over all these calls, and you 548 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: can tell him he's like, who smelling ma, I mean, 549 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: he could smell it a mile away. 550 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: How are Sterns' parents reacting to all of. 551 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 7: This, Well, the dad had questions very early on, because 552 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 7: the parents actually came up when Madeleine Soda was missing 553 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 7: to try to help locate her. They came out, came 554 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 7: up right after, you know, he told them, Hey, Madeline's missing. 555 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 7: And the dad was always a little bit suspicious of 556 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 7: what was happening because Stearns, remember, left in the middle 557 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 7: of the night, was driving around and you can tell 558 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 7: just kind of the matter of factness on those calls, 559 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 7: but you can also hear a little bit of that 560 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 7: anguish as they let it set in that. Hey, by 561 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 7: the way, by the time you get out of jail, 562 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 7: we'll all be gone and there will be no one here. 563 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: Given what Shannon Butler has just told us, I want 564 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: you to hear what we're talking about. The dad asking 565 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: how did this whole thing come about, and Stefan Stearns 566 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: essentially says she started it. 567 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 15: Listen, you know you and actually have a conversation. 568 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 17: All of us could have a conversation to understand what's 569 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 17: taking place, how this came about. 570 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 15: How you were right here, because it would help us, help. 571 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 17: Us better understand the situation, because we're just ratter lost 572 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 17: for understanding. 573 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 15: How all this came about. I mean, we're just totally 574 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 15: totally baffled. 575 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 16: It started. 576 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 15: You didn't start it, but you participated in it, which 577 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 15: is just that that is not starting at. 578 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: The reminder to all, jen Jennifer Soto, Maddie's mother, has 579 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: not been charged, has not been named a POI, person 580 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: of interest or suspect in this case. As a matter 581 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: of fact, in their wisdom, she has been granted a 582 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 1: type of immunity, so based on many of the things 583 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: she told investigators, she cannot be prosecuted for those things. 584 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: It's a limited use immunity. Jen Soto not a suspect. 585 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 10: A woman got on a YouTube thing and said that 586 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 10: you weren't even at the party. 587 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 15: Pardon yeah, her birthday party. 588 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 16: Yeah, I hadn't gotten there yet. I went up there 589 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 16: a Sunday evening and got there after she was done 590 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 16: at her party. 591 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 15: Oh okay, okay, and I was. 592 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 16: We were very happy that I was there with the 593 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 16: very happy the history of us were together and was 594 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 16: shaping up to be a great week and a great visit. 595 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 16: You know, there was no weak was craything to happen 596 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 16: that happened. 597 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: There was no reason for anything to happen that happened. 598 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: Again, just like we heard Anna Sonoda claiming, and I'm 599 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: going to need a shrink on this, It's like that 600 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: didn't have to happen. 601 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 2: Well, according to the state, you did it. That's why 602 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 2: it happened. 603 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: She didn't just suddenly fall over dead after having been 604 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: raped and sodomized. 605 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 2: This little girl, Maddie so too. It didn't just happen. 606 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: Shannon Butler with me investigative reporter WFTV Channel nine. 607 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: Shannon tell me the time frame from her birthday to 608 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: her murder. 609 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 7: The birthday was on that Sunday night, she got dropped 610 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 7: off back at the house, and that's when also came 611 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 7: to the house. 612 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know why, doctor Jory Crawsen, as 613 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: many times as I've combed over this case, I didn't 614 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: put that significant fact together. The night of her thirteenth 615 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: the birthday party, she was killed. 616 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 6: There could be a couple of reasons for that. Pedophiles 617 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 6: have age specific victims, and when they start to age out, 618 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 6: they start to move on. Okay, he really couldn't move 619 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 6: on with this because she now becomes a liability. One 620 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 6: of the other things already mentioned. 621 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 15: Was she started it. 622 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 6: That's part of the fantasy that he was living, that 623 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 6: this child came on to him sexually. I would lose 624 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 6: count how many times I've heard penophiles tell me that 625 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 6: during clinical assessments. That's part of that fantasy they build. 626 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: You know, to Phillip Debate joining us, you just heard 627 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: Stefan Stern saying, quote, there's no reason for anything to 628 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: happen that happened. I know you're not going to comment 629 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: on any of your cases, but have you noticed because 630 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: I have. 631 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 2: Defendants, perps suspects. 632 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: Try to blame the crime on it just happened. Like, 633 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: here's a good example. I had a guy break into 634 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: a woe's home. 635 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 12: She came home. 636 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: Not only did he kill her, he raped her first, 637 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: and when asked why, he says, I don't know, my 638 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: little mate, you just got up as if he's blaming 639 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: his penis for the rape and murder, it's the penis's fault. 640 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: And here we're hearing step On Stearn saying there's no 641 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: reason for anything to happen. 642 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: That happened. It just happened. 643 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 13: Yeah, Unfortunately he doesn't know the elements of the crimes. 644 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 13: He seems to think that by being ignorant or trying 645 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 13: to attribute it to something that was beyond his control, 646 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 13: or that's something that appeared to be a natural urge 647 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 13: or sort of mutually consensual if you will, that it 648 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 13: somehow makes it lawful. And all he did was just 649 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 13: dig himself into a hole much deeper than he already was. 650 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: Because everyone I love when he just said that een 651 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: that Hey, this grown man. I mean you did see 652 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: him without a shirt on, right, nobody wants to see 653 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: that coming in the bedroom, all right, That said much 654 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: less a nine year old little girl. 655 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 2: You just said. 656 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: Mutual consent. If you will, I won't. I will not 657 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: go down your garden path. That he thought this was 658 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: mutual consent, well. 659 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 13: Then there's nothing to argue. Frankly, in his mind he 660 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 13: feels that there was consent. It is not a defense 661 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 13: because of the child's age. So all he did was 662 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 13: incriminate himself even further. I mean, that's just the bottom line. 663 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 13: There's just no way out of this. And frankly, they 664 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 13: didn't even need his statements. They don't even need those 665 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 13: jail calls. They have ample evidence without a word coming 666 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 13: out of his mouth to nail him. The only real 667 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 13: issue here, and I know we're not discussing it, is 668 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 13: whether or not he will die. And this is a 669 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 13: type of case. As defense counsel, I would be groveling 670 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 13: for what we call ELWOP life without parole. That is 671 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 13: his only hope in this case. It's not whether or 672 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 13: not he will ever get out. The question is one 673 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 13: of housing. Will he be condemned or will he be 674 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 13: in general population for the rest of his life too. 675 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: Robin Drake cut, longtime colleague, behavior expert, and you know 676 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: the rest Former FBI author Robin Drake, this guy not Debey, 677 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: this guy. 678 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 2: Stephan sterns I mean, hey and Jennifer Soto. What a pair. 679 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 2: But what about steph on Stern's It didn't what happened 680 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 2: didn't have to happen, like it just fell on their heads. 681 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 2: He did it, according to prosecutors. 682 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's victim blaming. 683 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 9: He's every time I hear watch him speak any anything, 684 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 9: it looks like he's so rehearsed. He's done this before, 685 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 9: he's he's thought about this a lot, He's contemplated this 686 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 9: a lot, and the entire world he's created around himself 687 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 9: to him is extremely believable. You know, as our lawyer 688 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 9: was saying, you know, it's in his own mind. If 689 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 9: he blames a victim, it shouldn't be an inflated charge. 690 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 9: And literally he believes that because he is just so 691 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 9: twisted and so broken and he allowed himself to keep 692 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 9: going down this dark, evil path or he victimized her. 693 00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 9: And I wouldn't be surprised if they find him. 694 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the 695 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: years of sex abuse and ultimate murder allegations, please dial 696 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: four zero seven eight four six three three three three 697 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: four zero seven eight four six three three three three. 698 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: We remember an American hero Police officer, Kevin Taun Galt PD, California, 699 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 1: just thirty five, shot and killed in the line of duty. 700 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: A US Army Vet, Tawn served with Galt PD three years. 701 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:47,680 Speaker 1: Survived by parents. Grieving parents Marianne and Will, sister Julie. 702 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: American hero Officer Kevin Taun. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.