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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody's today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: four news. First of all, I'm sure you guys saw

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Speaker 1: sort of live by Trump and they die by Trump

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Speaker 1: because on the one hand, he he was the kingmaker

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Speaker 1: and the primaries, a lot of these candidates would not

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Speaker 1: be their nominees, certainly doctor Oz, possibly Mastriano, but definitely

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Speaker 1: doctor Oz. Yeah without Trump, So I mean he made

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Speaker 1: both of these candidates. On the other hand, not just

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Speaker 1: as he's such a divisive figure and a lightning rod

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Speaker 1: whose obsessions do not align with what the public is

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Speaker 1: actually interested in, he also sucks up all the money,

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Speaker 1: so you're also very dependent on him for any sort

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Speaker 1: of fundraising. We're going to get to the problems with

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Speaker 1: the National Republican Senatorial Committee, but part of the details

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Speaker 1: that came out in that article is how dependent they

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Speaker 1: are on Trump for their fundraising. Like every fundraising email

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Speaker 1: they send out is about Trump. It's not about hey,

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Speaker 1: here's what we're going to do, or even about like,

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Speaker 1: oh the Democrats are terrible and here's how they're destroying

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Speaker 1: the country. It's like all about Trump. They are completely

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Speaker 1: dependent on him, but they also are e stordinarily limited

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Speaker 1: by him for how far they can go. Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 1: and let's put the poll up there on the screen

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Speaker 1: as well, just again to underscore this. The mar A

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Speaker 1: Lago raid boosted Trump amongst GOP voters. Yeah, they say,

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Speaker 1: may damage him with most voters. I don't know. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I never have any way to know. What history teaches

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Speaker 1: us in general is that the more the country becomes

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Speaker 1: mired in the details of these idiotic investigations, well, the

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Speaker 1: more that people generally lose interest, and in general it

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Speaker 1: has helped Trump. Is this one different because this one

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Speaker 1: might actually lead to his actual indictment, which all signs

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Speaker 1: currently point to. To be clear on what timeline, I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Will it damage him maybe, Will it

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Speaker 1: damage as much as January sixth? Probably not? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I mean I do. Look, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I've expressed this before, like this is qualitatively different than

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Speaker 1: Russiagate in that there is very clear there there and

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Speaker 1: you see that certainly by the way Republicans who are

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Speaker 1: initially very enthusiastic about defending him have now gone pretty quiet,

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Speaker 1: with some exceptions they as more details have come out.

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Speaker 1: There's that there's the fact that he's not president anymore,

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Speaker 1: so he doesn't have you know, all of the sort

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Speaker 1: of stature of that office, and he doesn't have as

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Speaker 1: much of an ability to just control the narrative the

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Speaker 1: way that he used to be able to do. You

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Speaker 1: got to go over to freaking social to find out

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Speaker 1: what the hell he's saying these days. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that those things make a difference. And clearly, like

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Speaker 1: now we've had enough pulling to see overwhelmingly American people

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Speaker 1: think like the search was justified, and they think that

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Speaker 1: you know, a majority thinks he should be prosecuted if

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Speaker 1: he is in fact in violation of the law. So

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Speaker 1: I do think it continues to kind of like harm

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Speaker 1: him with normies who like it or not, are still

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Speaker 1: very like, you know, they respect the FBI, they want

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Speaker 1: law and order, like you know, I mean really, and

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Speaker 1: so it's definitely bolstered him with the base. I really

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Speaker 1: think it strengthens his position in terms of making sure

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Speaker 1: he secures the Republican nomination. All of the talk from

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Speaker 1: a couple months ago about to santisizing the polls and whatever,

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Speaker 1: I think this kind of nips that in the bud.

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Speaker 1: But I do think it's one more thing that reminds

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Speaker 1: people who had kind of forgotten a little bit in

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Speaker 1: him being a bit quieter, how obnoxious is kind of,

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Speaker 1: how chaotic it is when he's around, how divisive it is,

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Speaker 1: and how much they were how much they were swayed

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Speaker 1: by the Biden narrative of like, let's just calm things

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Speaker 1: down and let's just try to get back to whatever

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Speaker 1: normal actually is. We'll see how that looks. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Dems are in a better

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Speaker 1: position than they've been in for a long time. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of multi fac fasceted reasons as to why

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Speaker 1: Trump is certainly one of them. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: the re emergence and reascendants of Trump more from you know,

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Speaker 1: not to say he wasn't already in charge, but especially

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Speaker 1: to put him at the top is very good for

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Speaker 1: him personally. Well, listen, this really, you know, obviously is

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Speaker 1: the kickoff to the final stretch for the midterms, no

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Speaker 1: doubt about that. Both these guys out there making their

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Speaker 1: respective cases, and Trump and the Republicans are there's no

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Speaker 1: splitting apart. So that's that it is going to be

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Speaker 1: a choice election. I think that's pretty clear at this point.

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Speaker 1: Them to help. But I also would say this is

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Speaker 1: the you know, this is the unofficial kickoff for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. This is these campaigns and elections start earlier

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Speaker 1: and earlier. Trump could announce anytime. The expectation is Biden

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Speaker 1: will also announce fairly soon. So this is the path

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Speaker 1: we're going to be headed down for quite a while now. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Reducks is truly here, just like Hell Hollywood, Just

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Speaker 1: like Hollywood, this sequel. Nobody asked me yet we'll get

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Speaker 1: shoved down their throat. Okay, let's talk about Liz Trust.

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Speaker 1: So let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Last night the news broke British Conservative Party members have

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Speaker 1: chosen Miss Trust the quote hawkish foreign Minister Foreign Secretary

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Speaker 1: sorry over Rishi Sunach, who is the Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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Speaker 1: She will take over the country in a quote serious

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Speaker 1: economic crisis. And from what we have seen this morning

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Speaker 1: our time, Miss Trust went over to Balmorle Castle in

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Speaker 1: Scotland and officially was I forget the exact process, but

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Speaker 1: having watched the Crown, I know it's something involves kissing

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Speaker 1: the hand and becoming the leader of Her Majesty's government.

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Speaker 1: So Boris Johnson has I believe resigned at this point

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Speaker 1: in the show, gave a speech, a farewell speech, warning

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Speaker 1: about the economic crisis, about the problems ahead. Liz Trust,

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Speaker 1: having been the Foreign secretary under Johnson and having been

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Speaker 1: intimately involved in Ukraine policy, that's probably what matters the

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Speaker 1: most for our purposes. Now, don't have to take a

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Speaker 1: genius when even the New York Times is describing you

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Speaker 1: as the quote hawkish foreign secretary. In general, we're going

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Speaker 1: to see a continuation of UK policy. Maybe they can

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Speaker 1: ship some weapons over to Ukraine under this government instead

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Speaker 1: of bailing out their own businesses. However, more importantly again

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Speaker 1: is that the posture of the UK government, which there

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Speaker 1: were possibilities of change in terms of some of the

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Speaker 1: other candidates who are up for grabs, really is not

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Speaker 1: changed at all in terms of how the angle sphere

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Speaker 1: will be presenting itself and towards the conflict with Russia.

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Speaker 1: Michael Tracy found this insane portion of a Q and

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Speaker 1: A with is Trust about her willingness to use nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: We forget that Britain is of course a nuclear on power.

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Speaker 1: Here's what she had to say. Now here's another question.

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Speaker 1: One of the first things, and very briefly Frank, one

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Speaker 1: of the first things that will happen when then, if

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Speaker 1: you become Prime minister, you'll be ushered into a room

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Speaker 1: very privately at number ten, will be laid out in

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Speaker 1: front of you what are called the letters of the

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Speaker 1: last Resort, your orders to out triedent boat captain. On

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Speaker 1: whether you Prime Minister is trust is giving the order

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Speaker 1: to unleash our nuclear weapons, it would mean global annihilation.

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Speaker 1: I won't ask you, would you press the button? You

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Speaker 1: will say yes, But faced with that task, I would

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Speaker 1: feel physically sick. How does that thought make you feel?

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Speaker 1: I think it's an important duty of the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to do that. I asked it would make

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Speaker 1: you feel I'm ready to do it? List trust. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for those answers, gentlemen. This trust, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: would just hope for a little bit more empathy or

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Speaker 1: like yeah, it's the most solemn responsibility a leader can have.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, you know, in the defense of

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Speaker 1: our nation, like even I could give a better answer

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Speaker 1: than we would do everything we possibly could. Was the

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Speaker 1: leader of the UK, I would do everything to defend

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Speaker 1: our homeland, and only in the defense of our most

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Speaker 1: horrific times would we even consider it. We will never

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Speaker 1: get to that. Yeah, great, yeah, whatever we can voke.

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Speaker 1: But also what a weird question, strange question British media.

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Speaker 1: I know you do it, how would you feel about it? Wait?

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Speaker 1: What the way that they question their politicians over there

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Speaker 1: is insane. Also their laws are nuts, you know, in

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Speaker 1: terms of they have this whole thing where you can

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Speaker 1: basically if you have enough complaints against you, the government

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Speaker 1: can investigate you Oxfam or whatever it's called. I remember

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Speaker 1: this whole thing whenever the Piers Morgan Megan Markle thing

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Speaker 1: was going down. So anyway, sorry, UK, you actually don't

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Speaker 1: have nearly enough of the free press as we do.

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Speaker 1: You know, even though they're going to protest, I'm also

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Speaker 1: just going to say this, and y'all can camm sexist

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Speaker 1: or whatever, but there is a problem with these like

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Speaker 1: neoliberal type women wanting to prove that there is tough

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Speaker 1: and it's like coffee neo cons Yeah it is. It's Hillary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see like there's a pattern of this.

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Speaker 1: They got to prove that there is like war mongering

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Speaker 1: as the dudes, and so I think that's also part

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Speaker 1: of what you see there. And she's been extremely hawkish

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Speaker 1: in her language when it comes to Ukraine as well.

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Speaker 1: So listen, I mean, we shouldn't delude ourselves that the

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Speaker 1: war that is going on in Ukraine started by Russia,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But we have fully joined as

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Speaker 1: a proxy partner here in the UK. Has been our

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Speaker 1: primary backup and support. They have been our ally in

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Speaker 1: the way that we want to prosecute that war. France

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Speaker 1: and Germany wanted to different approach. They were much more

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Speaker 1: in favor of diplomacy. Macrono course was on the phone

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Speaker 1: constantly with Putin trying to keep them at the table,

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Speaker 1: and we in the UK blew it up. So no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it that she is going to continue to

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Speaker 1: be a full partner. And whatever it is that Biden

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Speaker 1: wants to do with regards to this world is what

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Speaker 1: she said in March quote Putin must lose in Ukraine

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Speaker 1: as the Foreign Secretary of the UK, making it very

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Speaker 1: clear here what the posture will be. In fact, people

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Speaker 1: are saying that she could not only double down but

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Speaker 1: increase British support to Ukraine. And here's my thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of their positions and all that, you can

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Speaker 1: have position whatever you want, but then you need to

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Speaker 1: pony up and you need to be a major actor

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Speaker 1: in the conflict, and they're not, let's be honest, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they are, if anything, some sort of client state of ours.

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Speaker 1: You know, Johnson going over there, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was on his own behalf or on ours. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what those conversations look like. I'd be willing

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Speaker 1: to bet they're probably was some input on our side.

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Speaker 1: We just seem to be taking this very odd like backseat.

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Speaker 1: But also interventionist policy, yeah, which is the worst of

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Speaker 1: all worlds, right, which is that you're basically writing a

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Speaker 1: blank check to a foreign government. No foreign government is

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Speaker 1: ever going to act purely on your interest. And then

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Speaker 1: we don't seem to be really taking any steps in

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Speaker 1: the other direction. And then we're letting these Euros basically

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Speaker 1: sit on their hands and do nothing bailing out their

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Speaker 1: own people, and we're supposedly stepping up and doing all

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Speaker 1: of the military assistants. I mean, you know, if it's

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Speaker 1: so important to you that you're willing to spend in France,

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Speaker 1: Germany and Britain's case hundreds of billions of euros or pounds,

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Speaker 1: then you would want to see some sort of requisite

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Speaker 1: step up. If it's so existential, then you do something

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine as well. And yet I don't see them

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Speaker 1: as I mean, I don't see them as the ones

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Speaker 1: driving the train here at all. Like I said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: they wanted a different approach, and we basically were like, no,

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Speaker 1: say the same. Yeah, it's very hypocritical on their one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. Well and she says she wants to increase

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Speaker 1: their defense, Well, then do it so we can send less.

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Speaker 1: So I think you know, she's happy to go even

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Speaker 1: further in terms of hawkishness than Boris Johnson. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately probably very much the status quo prevailing here,

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Speaker 1: foreign affairs ideology. Nothing much appears to have changed. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today

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Speaker 1: when we have Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of interesting

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Speaker 1: stuff this morning. New revelations about just what sort of

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Speaker 1: to there was a big leak to prove just how

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Speaker 1: those details. Also, Bill Barr, Trump's former attorney general, who

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Speaker 1: Attorney general. He is now making some pretty extraordinary comments

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Speaker 1: play those comments for you as well. Also, new developments

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Speaker 1: insane story. Finally, we've got some developments for Bannon, who

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Speaker 1: like that. Derek Thompson will be back on the show

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Speaker 1: latest in the Trump mar a Lago document FBI situation.

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Speaker 1: So last time we spoke, the judge had ruled against

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Speaker 1: we're going to go forward with appointing a special master

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Speaker 1: sort of said, okay, that's fine. How about we leak

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Speaker 1: another well juicy nugget to the press here, And this

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Speaker 1: is pretty eye opening. Let's go ahead and put this

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Speaker 1: Washington Post report up on the screen. Here. They say

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Speaker 1: material on foreign nation's nuclear capabilities was seized at Trump's

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Speaker 1: marl Lago. Let me go ahead and read you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of this bombshell report. They say, a document

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Speaker 1: describing a foreign government's military defenses, including its nuclear capability,

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Speaker 1: was found by FBI agents who search former President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's residents in private club last month, underscoring concerns among

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Speaker 1: US intelligence officials about classified materials stashed at that property.

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Speaker 1: Some of those sees documents detailed top secret US operations

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Speaker 1: special access programs, courting people familiar with the search. Documents

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Speaker 1: about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a

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Speaker 1: know about these documents. They are kept not just in

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Speaker 1: so it's like a skiff inside a skiff. That's how

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Speaker 1: sensitive these documents allegedly are, according to this report, And

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Speaker 1: Washington posts also had the leak earlier that there was

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Speaker 1: some nuclear related documents here. So now we're getting a

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Speaker 1: little more specificity about exactly what that means. Let's go

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Speaker 1: and put this next piece up on the screen, just

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Speaker 1: underscore how sensitive these are. This was, you know, part

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Speaker 1: some seas docks were so closely held. Only the president

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Speaker 1: a cabinet or near cabinet level official could authorize others

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Speaker 1: to know and Soger Previously, they had also reported that

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Speaker 1: of the documents that were seized. They don't say where

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Speaker 1: President Trump's office. We don't know where these particular documents were.

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Speaker 1: It's also important to remember that, you know, Trump has

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Speaker 1: out of that office. So that's part of why I

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Speaker 1: guess the FBI and the government felt they needed to

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Speaker 1: take this extraordinary action. Well, don't forget esteemed characters like

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Speaker 1: Kodak Black as well. I mean, whenever we're talking about

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. Now that we know it's about a foreign country,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't take a genius to figure out that there's

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Speaker 1: if you believe some reports. Okay, so it involves one

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Speaker 1: of them. My bet and I continue to believe this

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Speaker 1: based on everything that you and I had learned and

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Speaker 1: also talked with some people in the know previously. Is

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Speaker 1: this still has to involve Russiagate. Now think why. There's

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Speaker 1: also a story that came out last night in Rolling

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Speaker 1: Stone that Trump had told White House team he needed

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Speaker 1: to quote protect Russia Gate documents, which he called his

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Speaker 1: quote evidence of a deep state plot against him. You

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Speaker 1: combine that, you combine the fact that Tom Fitten is

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Speaker 1: Many of these others who said that Trump wanted and

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Speaker 1: had a deep connection to these combined also with all

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Speaker 1: of this not only foreign nuclear capability, but they said

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Speaker 1: programs that are so special that nobody else knew about.

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Speaker 1: I recall that based on the initial OD and I investigation,

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Speaker 1: when they were like, we determined that Putin himself ordered this.

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Speaker 1: There were leaks out at the time that this was

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Speaker 1: way up in the most highest circle of Putin's advisors.

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Speaker 1: And so you put these things together. Of course, a

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Speaker 1: human intelligence classified source in Putin's inner circle, that would

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Speaker 1: be one of the most sensitive areas. If you think

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Speaker 1: back to some of the other famous Soviet spies that

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Speaker 1: it would also make sense that that person would be

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Speaker 1: giving the US information as we always have had spies

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Speaker 1: in Russia. And what we care most about is what

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Speaker 1: their nuclear capabilities, their cruise missiles and all that are.

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Speaker 1: I'm just speaking, you know, from spirit practice, pure speculation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: could be North Korea, could be Iran too, wouldn't surprise

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Speaker 1: me if it was North Korea. Trump had a deep

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Speaker 1: obsession with North Korea as well. Yeah, I really I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I really don't know. And it's also possible

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of documents that we're seas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, what was it hundreds of

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Speaker 1: classified documents, but then thousands of just government documents overall.

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Speaker 1: So it could be some of this is Russia Kate related.

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Speaker 1: Some of it we know was like Kim Jong UN's

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Speaker 1: be a mix of a lot of different things. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. Could be related to Saudi, it could

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Speaker 1: be Israel. We also know that there were was information

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Speaker 1: Could be Frands. I mean, like I genuinely always support classification.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely, I genuinely don't know. But you know, this

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Speaker 1: nuclear docums that had been reported before were actually no

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Speaker 1: big deal. Because you can imagine things that are really,

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Speaker 1: really really sensitive, and then you can imagine things that

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Speaker 1: declassify these because I feel like it not in that

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Speaker 1: you have to understand the sort of like cat and mouse,

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Speaker 1: that's game that's going on here. Their response to okay

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Speaker 1: you or getting your special master, here's our next move

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Speaker 1: to leak this sort of information tells me that they

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Speaker 1: probably are building towards an indictment, because once you put

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Speaker 1: so much out into the public sphere where I mean,

856
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's become increasing totally clear that if it

857
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: was anyone else, the indictments would already have come down.

858
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be any sort of a question. So once

859
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: you have all of that information out there, how do

860
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: you not indict him? It creates a big political problem

861
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: for you on the other side if you do not

862
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: then go forward with an indictment, given everything that the

863
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: public knows of them. Yeah, and you know, we also

864
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: got some news last night that the FBI wanted to

865
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: interview Trump's bodyman and personnel management officer at mar Lago

866
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: who followed him on the way out of the White House.

867
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: Just to give even more color to what you're discussing.

868
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: There's a specific nuclear classification that refers to it's like SFRD,

869
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: so the abbreviation for quote formally restricted data, which does

870
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: not mean, by the way, that it was no longer classified.

871
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: That is reserved specifically for the military use of nuclear weapons.

872
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: And also in the subpoena where one hundred plus classified

873
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: documents in August that were marked HSC, which is a

874
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: category for highly classified government that refers specifically to human

875
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: control systems, human being, human intelligence, so you know, moles, spies,

876
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: information gleaned from those sources. You put those two together, those,

877
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: of course are the most classified secrets in the US government,

878
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: specifically in the intel community, and makes sense they would

879
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: be paired together. Often our spy, you know, some of

880
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: the most highly valued spies in US history, the so

881
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: called billion Dollar Spy and others in the Soviet Union

882
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: are ones who gave us deep clarity and information into

883
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: the Soviet nuclear arsenal at the height of the Cold War. Yeah,

884
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: and Klippenstein describes this, it's almost like a religion among

885
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: these guys protecting those sources and methods, and so should be.

886
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, was killed. Lives are literally on

887
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: the line, you know, keeping those sorts of things secret.

888
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's the very latest in terms of what

889
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: we know about what he was holding on to. We

890
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: still don't know why he was holding on to it.

891
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: We still don't know why even after the government came calling,

892
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: he continued to sort of obfuscate and hold on to

893
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: these documents, you know, as lawyers attested, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

894
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: we gave you everything. We didn't. Exhaustive search and in

895
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: just a matter of hours, the FBI was able to

896
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: turn up far more documents that had than had been

897
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: originally turned over willingly by the Trump team, So a

898
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: lot of questions still, there lots of very interesting stuff

899
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: going on in Ukrainian. We're going to start with that

900
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: Southern offensive, so to a preview, it's actually interesting. Now

901
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: we have been describing this as the offensive. We've been

902
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: using the Ukrainian language. The US government declined to actually

903
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: acknowledge it isn't offensive up until yesterday when Colin called

904
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: the Deputy chief over at the Pentagon affirmatively called the

905
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,439
Speaker 1: Ukrainian military move and offensive. One of the reasons why

906
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: they had been reluctant to do so is because then

907
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: we have to judge is the offshole or not, rather

908
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: than is it a campaign, is it a pre operation,

909
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: is it a whatever? Anyway, So now we are using

910
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: the Ukrainian and the US government definition that Ukraine is

911
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: in the midst of an offensive. So how's it going. Well,

912
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: it's a mixed bag so far as we discuss this

913
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: town of Kerson has called off that poll where they

914
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: originally were going to vote on to whether they wanted

915
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: to join Russia or not, not saying it's going to

916
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: be a free poll or a free vote or anything

917
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, the Russians felt the need to

918
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: call it off in the midst of these quote tactical operations.

919
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: But what really caught my eye was a rare bit

920
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: of just on the ground, shoe leather reporting, which shows

921
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: you the toll that this is taking. Let's put this

922
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: up there on the screen Washington. Was John Hudson, a

923
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: guy that I know. He's a he's actually pretty good reporter,

924
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: reporting out from the hospitals of southern Ukraine. Here's what

925
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: he says. Wounded Ukrainian soldiers reveal the steep toll of

926
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: the Curson offensive. Soldiers said they lacked artillery needed to

927
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: dislodge Russias, and trench forces described a yawn technology gap

928
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: with their better equipped adversaries. Interviews provided some of the

929
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: first direct accounts of a push to retake captured territory.

930
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: Here's what one wounded Ukrainian soldier said, quote they used

931
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: everything on us. Who can survive in attack for five

932
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: hours like that? Describing a lengthy barrage of cluster bombs,

933
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: phosphorus munitions, mortars, he and others talked about from seven

934
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: different units, offered a view of basically a technologically outmashed

935
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: military on the front line, and in many of these cases,

936
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about guys who have lost limbs, who have

937
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: been badly, badly wounded, littered with littered with shrapnel, and

938
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: with others. And I think, crystal it's a grim view

939
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: into what's happening, because look, we have shipped some forty

940
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: something billion dollars worth of arms to Ukraine. President Biden announced,

941
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: actually a Secretary Blanket announced just this morning he's in Kiev,

942
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: that we're sending two billion dollars more. President Biden is

943
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: now asking for thirteen billion. We have sent untold numbers

944
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: of weapons, rocket systems, all kinds of defense things to Ukraine.

945
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: And the preview that I'm getting from this is that basically,

946
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: no matter what you give these people, the Russians are

947
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: still a formidable force. And in a way, I mean, look,

948
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: this has always been the case. Russia is a great

949
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: power military. Does that mean that it's as good as

950
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: the US military? No? Is it even as good as

951
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: the Chinese military? Probably not. Does that mean though, that Ukraine,

952
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: which is you know, it's second rate power at best,

953
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: even in the continent of Europe, that it's going to

954
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: be able to overnight, even with extraordinary amounts of US

955
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: weapons affirmatively and offensively take on this military. That's always

956
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: what I've been skeptical of. Yeah, U militaries, especially in

957
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: the modern age, always have they always have the advantage

958
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: whenever they're doing defense, especially on their home territory. Here,

959
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: when we have the static front line and then you

960
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: have the Ukrainians want to try and make this offensive,

961
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: they were always going to incur major casualties. And we'd

962
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: read previously before the fall of the Dunbass region, the

963
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: Ukrainian soldiers were like really using two hundred guys a day.

964
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 1: Many of these people were six weeks earlier in boot camp.

965
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: Now they're here on the front line. A lot of

966
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: them are draftees. Some of them don't necessarily want to

967
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: be there, or you are forced to be there, And

968
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: of course the Russian conscripts are the same way, but

969
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: they just have a tell of a lot more of them.

970
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: So this is a really really grim view as to

971
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: what the potential look could be the beginning. Maybe they

972
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: have a lot more that we don't know about. Maybe

973
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: we're going to ship something to them which would be

974
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: a game changer. But to be honest, I don't really

975
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: see that because even in that supplemental appropriation, there's no

976
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: new weapons system, right that we're sending over there replenishing.

977
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: And it's just when you read this, I mean again,

978
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: it's horrific. People should read this down. Go look at

979
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: people like losing their limbs. This is what the reality

980
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: of war looks like. This guy also, he's thirty years old.

981
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: He had no military experience before this war. He made

982
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: a living selling animal feed to Pagan cow farms. His

983
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: replacement as Platuton commander also had no previous military experience.

984
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: So you're talking about people who you know, in some

985
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: instance has never held a weapon before now, and other

986
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: instances had just you know, the bare minimum of training

987
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: before being put in leadership positions in this war. And

988
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: he said that we lost five people for everyone that

989
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: they did. And the part of it that I found,

990
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: in some ways the most gut wrenching is they're really

991
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: they're trying really hard to keep their spirits up and

992
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: trying to tell themselves like that it's worth it, that

993
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: the cost and the lives and the pain and the injuries,

994
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: that all of this is ultimately worth it, because yeah,

995
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: it is a different deal when you are now trying

996
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: to go on the offense to retake territory. They talk

997
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: about how the Russians, you know, have their tanks like

998
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: behind these concrete walls. They can like pull the tanks out,

999
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: go crizy, kill a bunch of Ukrainians and then go

1000
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: back behind the walls and basically escape any sort of retaliation.

1001
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: The Ukrainians are claiming that they have reclaimed a couple

1002
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: of sort of smaller towns. That's very much in dispute.

1003
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: The account that I read, I don't remember if this

1004
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: reporter or a different one. Reporters were denied access to

1005
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: those towns, so they were unable to independently confirm what's

1006
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: going on there. The people they talked to you said

1007
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: that the battle for those little towns continued, so very uncertain,

1008
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: what if any progress has been made at this point,

1009
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a it's a critical time for

1010
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons that we've been underscoring. First of all,

1011
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: at some point, the US public is going to go

1012
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: another thirteen million, another ten million, another twenty billion. Really,

1013
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: what's going on here? That's number one. Number two. As

1014
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: you've been covering, and we've both been covering in Europe,

1015
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: the energy prices are so high as they move into winter,

1016
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: there is going to be a turning of public opinion

1017
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: in Europe in terms of how we are approaching this

1018
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: war and what it means in terms of the domestic

1019
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: populations across Europe. That's number two. Number three realities on

1020
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: the ground. As you know, fall turns to winter, and

1021
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: you know, things sort of settle in for the long haul.

1022
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: And these soldiers are extreme exposed to extreme temperatures. That

1023
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: makes things very difficult and his real morale killer. And

1024
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: so that's why Zelinsky is launching this counter offensive now,

1025
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: because it really is no unintended kind of a do

1026
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: or die moment for them. He knows that there is

1027
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: going to be a change in public sentiment. He knows

1028
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: that the European and American populations are not going to

1029
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: indefinitely support them with the blank checks that they have

1030
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: been forever. As you know, things get stuck and mired

1031
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: and there's seemingly little progress and continued you know, weapons

1032
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: flows there, and continued energy price increases around the world

1033
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and food price increases around the world. So he knows

1034
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: he's really got to make a stand here, and that's

1035
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: why this counter offensive is ultimately so critical and so

1036
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: important to them right now. Yeah, look, it's September. They've

1037
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: basically got about a month, you know, in terms of

1038
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: accounts and all that. From what we know of the region,

1039
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: which is that in Napoleon's army and Hitler's army, around

1040
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: October fifteenth, first snowfall usually comes, and that's the harbinger

1041
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: of a very very slow decline, both in terms of

1042
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: mud but also in terms of snow and and snow

1043
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: in the temperature. So that's only a month and a

1044
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: half away. It's not that long away. Usually in this

1045
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 1: region you fight all the way through the summer hoping

1046
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: that you can do something within three and a half

1047
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: four months. So it's going to be a difficult slog up.

1048
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: And they have actually a pretty limited time window into

1049
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: which major operations can continues, and then things don't really

1050
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: restart until February, which is when the Russians can launch

1051
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: their invasion in the first place. That's when the ground

1052
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: is like cold enough in order to actually move on it.

1053
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: So anyway, I think it was important to give people

1054
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: an update as to what the reality of this stuff

1055
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: really looks like. It's a terrible account. Well, a link

1056
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: in the description people can go and read it for themselves.

1057
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: It is becoming more of a central campaign issue. Fetterman's

1058
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: recovery from his stroke that he suffered just before the

1059
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: Democratic primary. And you know, it is very clear in

1060
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: his speech is that he is not all the way recovered.

1061
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: His campaign is being is saying, you know, not only

1062
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: does he have some speech issues, he also has some

1063
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: auditory some curing issues. So I know some of the

1064
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: interviews that he's been conducting recently, he's got the close

1065
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Speaker 1: captioning so we can make sure that he, you know,

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Speaker 1: doesn't miss any of the language, any of the words

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Speaker 1: that are being spoken. Just to give you a sense

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Speaker 1: of that, here's a little bit of John Fetterman on

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Speaker 1: the stump. Please understand the stakes in this race. Send

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Speaker 1: me to Washington, d C. To send so I can

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00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: work with Senator Casey and I can champion the Union

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Speaker 1: way of life in Jersey and excuse me in DC.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. And it's an honor.

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00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: I live eight minutes away from here, and when I

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00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: leave tonight, I got three miles away. Doctor Oz in

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00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: his mansion in New Jersey. You've got a friend, and

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: you have an ally send me to Washington, DC. Thank

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00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: you very much. Thank you still what Chris. So you

1079
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: can see they're struggling to get through, you know, the

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00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: talk there at the end, and the Pittsburgh Post Gazette

1081
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: just put out an editorial saying, you know, basically, let's

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00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up on the screen. Hometown paper.

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00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: They say basically, like, you know, Oz has been very

1084
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: like nasty about the way that he's gone about this.

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00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: But the truth is they say that that said, mister

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00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: Oz has raised legitimate concerns. If mister Fetterman's communication skills

1087
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: have not yet recovered sufficiently to effectively debate his opponent,

1088
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: many voters will have concerns about his ability to represent

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Speaker 1: them effectively in Washington. While he's gamely undertaken one more

1090
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: more campaign events and media interviews in recent weeks, mister

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00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: Fetterman still speaks haltingly and relies unclosed captioning to fully

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Speaker 1: understand his conversation partners. This was all sort of sparked

1093
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: by this conversation about would they would he or would

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00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: he not debate? There was a debate that was that

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: was upcoming that he back down of Now, the very

1096
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: latest is and let's put the politico up on screen.

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00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: Here he says he will debate doctor Oz. He will

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00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: do that in October, not specifying which debate or providing

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Speaker 1: an exact date, but the expectation is he is going

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Speaker 1: to going to be on the debate stage. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm someone who thinks that that's important. I think it

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Speaker 1: should be required of all candidates. If they answer questions,

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00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: and then voters can decide for themselves whether they feel,

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00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, that his health concerns are enough for them

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00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: to change their mind and change their vote and go

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00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: in the other direction or not. They deserve to have

1107
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: that information. I think there's no doubt about it. But

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00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: I also and this is where I come back to

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: the point I was making about doctor Oz that I

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00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: think you might disagree with. But because they have been

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00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: so aggressive and so mean spirited in the way that

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00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: they've prosecuted this case, they've also set the bar very

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00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: low for fetterment. So if he's able to perform in

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00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: like a reasonable way on the debate stage, he doesn't

1115
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: have a very high bar to clear here. It's kind

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00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: of reminds me of you know, Biden right during the

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00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: Democratic primary when there was a lot of talk about

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00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: like like, oh, I don't know if this guy's up

1119
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: to it at all. Then if he just got on

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00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: the stage and didn't like make a total fool of himself,

1121
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: people were like, Oh, he's okay, it's good enough. No,

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00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: you're not wrong that being said, is there a realistic

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Speaker 1: expectation that in a month that you're gonna be all

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00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: that much better? I mean, I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: doctor on planet Earth that would say is a stroke

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Speaker 1: victim that you should be out there, you know, doing

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00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: what John Fetterman is doing, and he's you know, look,

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but if you can't understand

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00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: speech properly, you shouldn't be a senator. If you can't

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00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: speak like that, If that's if that's as good as

1131
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: it gets, at least for the next year or so,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should be a senator. I mean,

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00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: I really don't. How can you possibly live up to

1134
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: the days like problems understanding or like a pro he's

1135
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: look at the can't speak. But like, again, this is

1136
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: something the voters can decide it is. Ultimately, I wouldn't

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00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: vote for it, I can tell you that. But I

1138
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: think we have a lot of examples where people look

1139
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: at you know, Biden as one example, and they're like, yeah,

1140
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: he's slowing down, but ultimately, I freaking hate Donald Trump,

1141
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: So I would vote for Biden's corpse over that guy.

1142
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel that way about like Bernie Sanders

1143
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: post heart attack. I would take Bernie because he represents

1144
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: an ideology and is going to be there on the

1145
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: policies that I care about over anybody else, even if

1146
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: his health is flagging and if he's slowing down physically.

1147
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: So I really think a lot of voters feel the

1148
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: same way, where it's much more about like, Okay, does

1149
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: this person do they represent my values? Number? One? Number two?

1150
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: Like what are what's the sort of national mood? I

1151
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: don't see that these health concerns have been all that

1152
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: persuasive to voters in recent elections, because ultimately they care, Okay,

1153
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: how are you going to vote? Are you able to vote?

1154
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: Are you able to cast votes in the direction that

1155
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: I want? That's what I ultimately care about. And do

1156
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: I feel like you are going to represent me and

1157
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: my interests? I don't disagree with you, so we'll see. Correct.

1158
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: The Bernie example is a good one. He came back

1159
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and bounced back big time by Joe Biden. Same thing.

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Speaker 1: I do think this one is a bit more stark,

1161
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: and I do think also that if the man is

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00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: literally unable to speak even two weeks up to election day,

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00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: that will have some sort of negative effect. Doesn't mean

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: that he'll lose, No, not at all. I do think

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00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: Oz made a mistake in making the vegetable comment. If

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00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: he'd ever ate in a vegetable in his life, he

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00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had a stroke. He didn't make that comment,

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00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: to be clear, one of his campaign I think that

1169
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: was a mistake. I don't think that's what he should

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Speaker 1: have said. Again, given the Pennsylvania is not a particularly

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Speaker 1: healthy state, especially the old people who live in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, Fetterman has a sympathy factor, but it

1173
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: only goes so far. And listen Biden. Yeah, he may misspeak,

1174
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: but for some reason with Biden when it actually counts,

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00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: he seems to be fine. It's a mystifying thing where

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: if he's off the cuff and he's meandering, you know,

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Speaker 1: even in Afghanistan, like he'll leave like a forceable statement.

1178
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: And he did a weird thing where he leaned on

1179
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: the podium. He's a strange cat. I don't really get it,

1180
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: but Bernie get the drug cocktail figured out. Bernie never

1181
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: did look even posttheart attack. Honestly, he looked fine. I

1182
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: mean for an old man. He always spoke really wetter

1183
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: that he really did like he lost even Trump. I mean, look,

1184
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: Trump is obese as hell. I mean, listen, and after

1185
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: he lost I left the presidency, it looks better than

1186
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: he did when he was in office. The thing with

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01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: Betterman is how stark it is like when you when

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01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: you're skipping words and not being able to speak. And

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Speaker 1: then also he made a mistake. He shouldn't have said

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Speaker 1: they couldn't debate because of health reasons. He should have

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: just said, I'm not going to debate somebody who I

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Speaker 1: disrespect so who disrespects me so much like us. I

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Speaker 1: disagree that with that because I think part of what

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01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: has been I think it has been relatable the way

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Speaker 1: that they've approached this, because they've been after the initial stretch,

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: they've been relatively upfront about his recovery, that he still

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01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: has these speech and auditory processing issues. They're one of

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Speaker 1: the things they talked about for this debate is can

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Speaker 1: he get close captioning to make sure that he's hearing everything.

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Speaker 1: So I think actually that that is a smart way

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01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: to play it because everyone would no one would be

1202
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: fooled if you were like, no, it's just because I

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01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: don't like doctor Oz. People would be like, dude, we

1204
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: know it's because you're recovering from your stroke. That's fair.

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: So I think it's better for them to be candid.

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01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I think that the way that the OZ team has

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01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: played it has been foolish, because there is a way

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01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: to raise these concerns, like the Pittsburgh Post Casette did

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: it in a much more effective way frankly, where they're

1210
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: like Oz is being an asshole, but there are legitimate

1211
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: questions here. The way that the OZ campaign should have

1212
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: done it is to try to get these you know

1213
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: stories planted with sort of you know, allied media figures

1214
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: where it seems like it's being raised organically, where it's

1215
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: a press conversation where they can weigh in just with like, gosh,

1216
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: we really hope he recovers, but you know, he needs

1217
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: to be able to answer questions the public, and we're

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: pushing forward with debates because we think it's important to

1219
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: have that accountability that should have been more their tone

1220
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: versus this like he's fat and he doesn't need vegetables,

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01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: and we you know, like basically cheering for him to

1222
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: be ill and making fun of him for his recovery.

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01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll see. I mean, it's going to be

1224
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: a big question mark how he's able to perform in

1225
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: that debate. I think there will be a lot of

1226
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: eyes on it. I do think the way that the

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: Oz team has approached this, they've set the bar very

1228
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: low for him, so that if he's able to sort

1229
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: of like you know, muster a decent performance, that's going

1230
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: to be good enough for voters to say, all right,

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01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: it's good enough. It's much better than what was portrayed.