WEBVTT - Where is the Poop? 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.720 All right it it's episode eleven of Sauce on the Side. 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.040 What's up. I'm Gandhi. I realized in the last episode 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.240 I didn't introduce myself for you. We just kind of 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:17.880 like rolled with it. Hello, Andrew, Hi God, here we go. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.040 Oh we're not burning anyone just yet. 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:23.720 The better producers here. What's going on? 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.000 Oh listen, both of your asses left me alone on 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:28.800 my last interview. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.640 Sorry, this mic is a little too floppy. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.840 It is a little a little wilted there. But we're 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.760 just starting this episode off, and I said, I realized 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.440 in the last one that I didn't ever introduce myself 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.080 or Diamond. So hi, I'm Gandhi, and now I have 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.120 both of my producers who I love so much, Andrew 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:45.000 and Diamond in here. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:45.199 What's it? 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:45.559 Oh? 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.800 Hi, hey, cool? 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.640 Oh my god. I love that. You're just whipping that 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:51.400 mic back and forth like it doesn't make a sound 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:51.879 when you do it. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:52.159 Do it? 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:58.360 You see that? Sorry, it's called radio, Andrew, learn about it. 0:00:58.400 --> 0:00:59.440 Actually it's called podcasting. 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:01.240 Learn about Are we using radio equipment? 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.600 This is technically could be both. It's a microphone and 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:05.600 oh wait. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.480 Oh wait, you have a whole podcasting company don't you. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:08.520 Yeah, that's weird. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.959 You should learn about how the equipment were. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.759 Josh takes it all out and post and I'm sure 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:12.360 he will here. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.280 No, he can't because when you're talking and you move 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.720 a microphone around, you can't take that out and post 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:18.119 you turn. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:22.240 Yeah, fixed it. He could fix It's a magician. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.759 So anyway, we had I had such a good time 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.680 talking to Ben and Noel from the Stuff They Don't 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.520 Want You to Know podcasts that it had to turn 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.120 into two episodes because we just kept going and going 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.320 and yeah, I think we should just get to it 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.160 because here comes the rest of that episode, part two. 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.600 So we're talking about body brokers, right and blood broke. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:48.880 Yes. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.120 So there is a there's a thing called the I 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.000 guess we here in the West we call it the 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.960 red market for organ donation because you can't you can't 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.880 make organs yet at scale in a way that will 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:03.520 work for people. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.160 Those lists of being getting a legit donor are very long, 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.760 very hard to get into unless you know there are people. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.519 Okay, and so there are as you, as you're probably aware, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:19.440 we did some work on this crazy phenomenon where in 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.120 some a body broker and organ broker will go into 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:26.080 a rural environment somewhere in the world and they'll find 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.760 a community, often a grarian community that really needs money 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.239 or they're struggling. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.200 With a distressed community exactly. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.480 And then they will offer them a real, what is 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.720 a life changing amount of money for them. And so 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.560 you can go into these villages where people have had 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.720 where you know, thirty percent or something of the population 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:51.240 has sold a kidney and then that kidney goes and 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.440 it gets a tremendous markup and has sold somewhere else. 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.560 So you're saying there are people that go into underserved, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.040 underprivileged areas and just say, hey, you got a kidney 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.680 for me, and these people say, yeah, take my kidney. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.480 Yes, And this is off books, right, this is black 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:08.680 market stuff we're talking about. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:13.400 Yeah, And because it's a global phenomenon, it's tough to 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.000 as dumb as it sounds, the bureaucracy but devils. It's like, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.760 which country's laws apply, Right, that's a good point. Where 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.520 is it legal to say, yeah, man, I'll just kid you. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:25.960 You know, I. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:30.679 Need a kidney. I've got fifteen hundred hot ones right now, right, 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.680 I don't know why I'm calling dollars hot. 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:38.120 Hot you met hot kids, that would makes way more sense. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.040 Yeah, because you want to deal in bulk, right, I 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:41.640 see if you can get a price break. But it's 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.400 it's frightening. And then it ties into what we will 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.760 euphemistically call non consensual donations right. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.440 About to say even I saw that movie. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:51.800 Yes, oh man. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.800 Also, if we say we donate our bodies to science, right, 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:55.160 we don't. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.839 Yeah, you can say like I would like it for good, 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.480 you know, yeah, but you might end up being like 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.720 in the early days of car crash testing, they used courses. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.400 You could be one of those. 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.119 You don't know, you could be one of those body farms, yeah, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:13.280 which I'd be cool. 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.200 There were one crazy one where like a dude in 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:20.000 San Francisco had some medical influence or whatever. He got 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.080 a body and basically dissected it in front of a 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.320 paying crowd like stuff like that. 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.520 Like it's more like the traveling Bodies exhibitions. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.240 That's those Chinese yea even weak or too or there 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:32.520 were some. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:36.039 Like yeah, now I feel like it sounds like we're 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.479 coming from China, but we're not really not. We're really not. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.960 Hey, if people are doing stuff, they're doing it is 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.440 what it is. And I'm sure that we're doing plenty 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:44.240 here in the United States. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:49.320 No, Yeah, we're like South Park. We're equal opportunity offenders. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.760 There we go. Yeah, and it's and it's that kind 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.919 of stuff is scary, and it is not maybe as 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.800 fun or whimsical as the thought experiments of the pair 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.640 normal and alien exploration, but it's important and we try 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.039 to give or we we endeavor to give a mix 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.720 of things. So it's not always the very depressing Holy shit, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:19.200 this is true, and it's not always, uh, the very 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:24.280 fun like interview with the guy who one believes not 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.760 only is Bigfoot reel, but that he is communicated with this. 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:30.320 Creature, like David Bakars are you talking. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:31.440 About Yeah, it's very nice guy. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:36.320 He has big Foot. Yeah, you see him in Blue Ridge, Georgia, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.720 And it's really dude. It is on the level of 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.640 like Hall of Presidents Disney kind of exhibitions sort of 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.160 like stuff, and it is so cool. He's got this 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.000 like golf cart that he built that has like sonar, 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.040 dish and all of these things for catching the. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.440 Bill Field investigations. He's got a he's got a. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.960 Cruise animatronic Bigfoot that's the kind of talk and sing 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:58.760 and do all kinds of. 0:05:58.680 --> 0:05:59.839 Does you have a life partner? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.880 He does, Okay, he does, he is. Yeah, it's a 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.360 real it's a part of their marriage. And and this 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.720 guy what you find when you communicate with people of 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:14.560 this nature who have a certitude. He's very open to questions, 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.200 you know, like us. So he there's nothing you could 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.599 ask that would really offend him. We're saying one of 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:23.760 the big things about biology and zoology and cryptozoology is 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.760 where's the poop? Right, That's how you know what creature 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.880 is real? And he rolled with He was like, you know, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.960 that's a great question. We thought about that a lot. 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.600 And then the explanation he. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.440 Called scat in the. 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.280 Space sat Yeah, in the space call in a lot 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:46.440 of space. But he I think that is something that 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.839 we can it's a lesson we can take to apply 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.160 to all kinds of discourse. So like when you are 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:55.880 being accused of being contrarian or something, that's a person 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:01.440 who feels incapable of actually exploring your questquestion with you, right, which. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.400 I have no time for in my regular life. If 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.000 I'm talking to someone who's got their mind made up 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.440 and they're not willing to have a discourse or a conversation, 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:10.720 or they're not open to questions. It's kind of a 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.440 useless situation. I'm just sort of like not interested, you know. Yeah, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.880 And I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.080 if someone's not willing to think about where their opinions 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:20.800 come from and why they think what they think are 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.800 they're not open to being asked questions, then they're probably 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.559 not someone I want to hang out with a bunch, 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:29.040 you know, And we ask questions in respectful ways. We 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:33.040 don't do gotcha moments. We're just curious and we're asking questions. 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.720 So if someone is immediately going to shut that down, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:37.960 then we're like, why are you even here? Man? You know, 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.480 like this isn't worth any of our time. 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.520 But in defense of those folks who do react that 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.240 way for one reason or another, I imagine we can 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.160 be a bit annoyed at times because we came from 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:52.160 a We came from a place called when we started 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.280 all this weird podcastry, we came from a place called 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.480 how Stuff Works, which is all about you know, how 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.760 does a microphone work? Figured out coffee? And you know, 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.320 if you're in the crowd, today and you did that, 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.000 Thank you. But the like the the idea of just 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.040 continually playing that game that kids play, which is, you know, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:11.880 the why game? 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:12.800 I do that? 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.560 Yeah? Like okay, So for anybody who doesn't know what's 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.240 the why game? 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.720 Anything you do, a kid asks why, and even when 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.120 you give them the answer, the answer to that from them. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.160 Why why are you wearing that hat? 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:24.440 Oh? 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.040 Because I like it? Why because it matches my suit? 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:31.640 Why because my suit is great? Why but I do 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:32.240 the same thing? 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:33.360 Yeah, I want to know. 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.440 I propose Ben though, that we have a new catchphrase. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:37.280 It's where's the poop? 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.480 I like it, Where's the poop? 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:41.560 It's literally about ask the ask question. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.520 So I know that we've we've been talking for a while. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:44.559 By the way, I think this might have to be 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:45.160 two episodes. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.880 I've lost track system to light talking to you. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.000 Oh yeah, same guys. By the way, I'm really glad 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.720 that you're here with Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown. Of 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:55.800 the stuff they don't want you to know, podcasts and 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.320 other podcasts and all kinds of stuff. But one of 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.160 the things that you guys mentioned earlier was of this 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.920 stuff gets so dark and heavy, and you know, okay, 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:03.800 let's move past it and blah blah blah. And I 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:05.760 get that. And it is dark and it is heavy, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.200 but all change at some point comes from places that 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.960 are really dark and heavy. And I know that it 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:13.920 seems for a lot of people who are listening to 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.680 this maybe you don't want to hear about that stuff. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.200 But as long as there's a call to action and 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.160 you can start doing something about it, it's not so dark, right, 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.200 And I think the first part in doing any of 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:27.160 that is talking about it, discovery and disseminating the information 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:29.160 to other people. So even though it might feel dark, 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.920 I think you guys are still doing some really great stuff. 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.960 Thank you so much for that. Yeah, because that's we 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.680 want to empower people, right, But that's part of the 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.400 idea of asking a questions and saying, well, no, you've 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.040 heard from us, tell us what you think, and we do. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.120 An episode a week that is entirely crowdsourced. For lack 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:51.080 of a better term, we have a listener mail episode 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.920 and some of our best ideas for episodes come from listeners. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.199 Some of your worst come from men too. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.000 Well, sure, we don't usually make those in episodes. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.640 There are people with very specific takes they're very passionate 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.199 about somewhat the blood. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.480 The blood thing. We didn't really know about this Arkansas 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.040 blood thing. We had a listener write in and tell 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.280 us about it, and then it led to a whole 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.240 series of Bad Blood episodes. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.720 I just love I love this point about empowerment, you know, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:22.360 about being able to make some sort of change, whether 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.400 that comes from, as you said, like the spreading of 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.440 awareness or the Hey, do you also think this thing 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.040 is fucked up? Well, then here is a group, here 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.760 is an institution, here's a community, here's something happening, and 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:42.040 to all too often, for various reasons, it seems like 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.160 we live in a bad news world that maybe paints 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.480 an unrealistic picture of the world. Yeah, there are serious, 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.680 real problems, there are real conspiracies. But guess what, we're 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:57.520 also in the story. We are characters in the story. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.400 We can affect the plot. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.160 Honestly, it's the way we all are there for each 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.000 other and are able to talk about this stuff and 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.000 bounce it off each other and interface with our listeners 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.680 that make us feel like there's hope and that it's 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.200 not all doom and gloom, and we are always looking 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.600 for some positive spin or some positive angle not to 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.920 fool ourselves, but just to like not be scared, to 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.679 be alive, you know. I mean, it's just so easy 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.479 to let yourself be fall into that kind of hopelessness 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.720 and despair. And it's having friends that are like minded 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:30.760 and the know how to ask the right questions and 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.880 to have each other's backs. And then we feel like 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.520 the listeners are an extension of that, and I think 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:36.640 they feel that we are. So it's just really kind 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:39.560 of beautiful, sir. I'm getting like emotional about it. There 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.680 is a circle of trust and kindness when it's done right, 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.199 and I think we know we try our best to always. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.840 Do it right. I didn't know if we get to it. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.680 But before we end, there is a game that we 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.640 like to play. We would usually if you were on 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.280 our show. Now, this is a game that we would 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.840 play if you're if you're game for the game. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:01.079 Always game for a game. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.240 Okay, all right, So this is our conspiracy yes or 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.000 no kind of thing. Okay, So we're going to ask 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:12.760 you about some of the most prominent, like popular conspiracy 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.560 theories and we want to hear from you, Gandhi on 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:18.280 a yes or no. Okay, all right, Well, you want 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:18.960 to start us off. 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.240 We did aliens, We did do aliens, we did big Well, 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.079 I don't know what do you where? 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:24.240 Do you? 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.640 Where do you fall on on? Yes, he's abominable snowmen, 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.440 you know, big foot type creatures. Maybe we can just 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:36.120 let's just broaden it to cryptis, to undiscovered creatures, yes, yes? 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:36.400 Or no? 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.040 Any big ones left? 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:39.679 Yes you think? 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:40.160 Yeah? 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.080 Okay, yeah, I mean if they're undiscovered, I don't know 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.840 they're discovered. Of course they're out there somewhere, they haven't 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:46.480 been discovered. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.439 I'm a yes on the yes on the big cryptids. 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.560 Yes, I wish I could high five. 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:57.200 Okay, then let's do one. Okay, most popular. Did people 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:57.920 land on the moon? 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:58.480 Yes? 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.680 Okay, another high five? 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.200 Not a chance faked. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.040 Kubrick did fake the moon landing, but due to budgetary constraints, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:13.319 it was actually cheaper to there. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.199 Okay, yeah, fake it all the moon? 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:21.480 Yeah, because of catering. So uh JFK conspiracies. Do you 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:22.240 think any of those? 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.760 Yes? Wow? Okay, See this is one that's a careful 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.560 high five we should talk about. This is a good 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.800 one because there was some new information that came out 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.520 relatively recently where this one of the secret Service agents 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.200 that just came out with a book, which is when 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.280 these things come out. There was an additional bullet that 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.360 he found and he it was lodged in the seat 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:47.360 of the of the limousine and he didn't tell anybody 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.080 about it. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.480 Why he didn't know what to do. He put it on. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.160 JFK's gurney, just laid it there. The magic bullet theory, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.440 the idea of how could this bullet have gone? Explain 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.079 this helped explain that there was an additional bullet if 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.080 you believe him. If you believe him, and there are 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.160 some people that do call his story the question and 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.600 find that a little suspicious waiting so long. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.520 I read the book and he. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.960 Said he was so traumatized by it that he didn't 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:16.640 follow any of that. 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.000 He just created one of the biggest questions of all 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.280 time and. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.680 Only decided to come out with it when he's doing 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:23.520 his book. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.600 Right, Okay, Yeah, so there are. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.000 True to me though, I think I think he's probably 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:29.680 is telling the truth. 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.440 I we talked. There's a show that came out on 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:37.080 the Network called Who Killed JFK? With Rob Reiner and 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.160 Solid Dad O'Brien and. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.200 We had Rob Reiner on the podcast how he was 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:44.840 actually getting spinal tap the movie. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.720 He was going to hang out with his war but 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.320 he had to go work on woral taps thet shooting 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.600 right now. But so, okay, so why do you find 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:54.720 the official narrative? 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:57.160 Okay? 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.560 So my parents lived in Dallas for a while. Oh wow, Okay, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.120 and my dad one of his favorite places to go, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.800 just honestly, over and over was Dally Square Plaza. The people, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.440 and I will say this, there might not be credibility 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.680 to it, but there are people in that area who 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.880 just spend their lives trying to tell you, Hey, just 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.120 so you know, this isn't how it went. Here's this 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.520 film that I have, here's proof that it happened. And 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.920 all I'm saying is I don't know. So I'm not 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.400 going to commit to one way or another. I will 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:25.800 leave my mind open to the fact that I don't 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.920 typically believe what the government sells us. Okay, just in general, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.760 all of the things with like Lee Harvey Oswald being 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:33.680 a terrible shot and then all of a sudden, he's 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:38.720 this amazing shooter from a very obscure point of view, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.920 being able to do this and then he gets killed 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.000 before he ever really has a chance to give his 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:46.240 side of how things happen. I mean to me, that's 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.960 just you know, that's enough for me to question. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.640 And then the guy who kills him also gets killed. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.000 It's enough for me to question. So because of that, 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:56.600 I will say I'll buy it. 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.640 What do we say? Last night we were having a 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.640 bit of a night walk with our buddy Payton. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.840 Last night was a night walk. You guys got a joint. 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.680 There was some of that, some drinking and around New York. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.840 New York's a good drinking city because you can you 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.000 can walk just around and find entertaining things and not 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.200 ever have to worry about, you know, driving and talks. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.840 Case every every city we go to. Uh, this is 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:28.960 something that's known on our show, every city we go to. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.040 I am a huge proponent of walking. I hate the sun. 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.320 So night walks are I resent. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.040 You are a vampire. 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:37.440 It insists upon itself. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.040 So we were walking around there, we're walking a night walk, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.160 and there was I was I was smoking to join 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:45.600 those guys didn't particular, but I think I said something 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.200 to the effect of, you know, guys, the government's basically 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.600 just like legitimized organized crime, you. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.520 Know, and they are the biggest organized crime organizations. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.400 I'm just saying being a little more organized then, okay. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.480 But the fact is that we know this corruption is 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.840 part of the legacy of government back to its early 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.479 earliest forms, and it's a way of like protecting yourself 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.200 and covering your button, taking care of your buddies. And 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.920 you make the law, therefore you can skirt it. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:18.560 Yeah, And then here comes JFK with all of these 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:20.720 ideas to get in the way of that and change 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.639 things and go against the grain and do things that 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.879 people did not support. And then oh, he's snuffed out. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.120 And he's messing with the money. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.080 I again, it's enough for me to just question and 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:30.359 not buy what they're trying to sell me. 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.679 I'm so bad, I remembering titles of things that have 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.280 numbers in it. But that's Stephen king book, The Alternate 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.000 Reality about JFK's assassination. There's a TV series version of 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.679 it with James Franco, and it's very very good. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:44.280 With all the stuff that you guys are diving into, 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.800 and a lot of it has to do with government. 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.399 Do people ever reach out to you from governmental agencies 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.240 or somewhere that say, hey, calm it downfellas, no, no 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:54.480 it down. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.480 People that are like I did work for the DoD 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.280 or I did work for whatever agency. Here, here's my 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.880 inside scoop perspective. Please don't use my name. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.560 That's about yeah. And over the years, I think the 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.800 most chilling letters were the very polite ones, the ones 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.679 where they just sort of let you like, can I 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.680 touch it? They just sort of let you know, hey, hey, jump, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:23.080 I saw your show, and uh and something, and those 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:26.199 those letters. You know, in some cases it can be 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.720 difficult to prove the authenticity of that kind of thing, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.120 but we would get, you know, we get pretty collegiate stuff. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:38.960 We haven't ever had someone specifically shut us down for 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.240 something that's more confessional. 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.720 From the company side of things. No, huge credit to 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:47.760