Speaker 1: All right it it's episode eleven of Sauce on the Side.
Speaker 1: What's up. I'm Gandhi. I realized in the last episode
Speaker 1: I didn't introduce myself for you. We just kind of
Speaker 1: like rolled with it. Hello, Andrew, Hi God, here we go.
Speaker 1: Oh we're not burning anyone just yet.
Speaker 2: The better producers here. What's going on?
Speaker 1: Oh listen, both of your asses left me alone on
Speaker 1: my last interview.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this mic is a little too floppy.
Speaker 1: It is a little a little wilted there. But we're
Speaker 1: just starting this episode off, and I said, I realized
Speaker 1: in the last one that I didn't ever introduce myself
Speaker 1: or Diamond. So hi, I'm Gandhi, and now I have
Speaker 1: both of my producers who I love so much, Andrew
Speaker 1: and Diamond in here.
Speaker 3: What's it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Hi, hey, cool?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love that. You're just whipping that
Speaker 1: mic back and forth like it doesn't make a sound
Speaker 1: when you do it.
Speaker 3: Do it?
Speaker 1: You see that? Sorry, it's called radio, Andrew, learn about it.
Speaker 2: Actually it's called podcasting.
Speaker 1: Learn about Are we using radio equipment?
Speaker 2: This is technically could be both. It's a microphone and
Speaker 2: oh wait.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you have a whole podcasting company don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: You should learn about how the equipment were.
Speaker 2: Josh takes it all out and post and I'm sure
Speaker 2: he will here.
Speaker 1: No, he can't because when you're talking and you move
Speaker 1: a microphone around, you can't take that out and post
Speaker 1: you turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fixed it. He could fix It's a magician.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we had I had such a good time
Speaker 1: talking to Ben and Noel from the Stuff They Don't
Speaker 1: Want You to Know podcasts that it had to turn
Speaker 1: into two episodes because we just kept going and going
Speaker 1: and yeah, I think we should just get to it
Speaker 1: because here comes the rest of that episode, part two.
Speaker 5: So we're talking about body brokers, right and blood broke.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 5: So there is a there's a thing called the I
Speaker 5: guess we here in the West we call it the
Speaker 5: red market for organ donation because you can't you can't
Speaker 5: make organs yet at scale in a way that will
Speaker 5: work for people.
Speaker 4: Those lists of being getting a legit donor are very long,
Speaker 4: very hard to get into unless you know there are people.
Speaker 5: Okay, and so there are as you, as you're probably aware,
Speaker 5: we did some work on this crazy phenomenon where in
Speaker 5: some a body broker and organ broker will go into
Speaker 5: a rural environment somewhere in the world and they'll find
Speaker 5: a community, often a grarian community that really needs money
Speaker 5: or they're struggling.
Speaker 4: With a distressed community exactly.
Speaker 5: And then they will offer them a real, what is
Speaker 5: a life changing amount of money for them. And so
Speaker 5: you can go into these villages where people have had
Speaker 5: where you know, thirty percent or something of the population
Speaker 5: has sold a kidney and then that kidney goes and
Speaker 5: it gets a tremendous markup and has sold somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there are people that go into underserved,
Speaker 1: underprivileged areas and just say, hey, you got a kidney
Speaker 1: for me, and these people say, yeah, take my kidney.
Speaker 4: Yes, And this is off books, right, this is black
Speaker 4: market stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And because it's a global phenomenon, it's tough to
Speaker 5: as dumb as it sounds, the bureaucracy but devils. It's like,
Speaker 5: which country's laws apply, Right, that's a good point. Where
Speaker 5: is it legal to say, yeah, man, I'll just kid you.
Speaker 4: You know, I.
Speaker 5: Need a kidney. I've got fifteen hundred hot ones right now, right,
Speaker 5: I don't know why I'm calling dollars hot.
Speaker 4: Hot you met hot kids, that would makes way more sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because you want to deal in bulk, right, I
Speaker 5: see if you can get a price break. But it's
Speaker 5: it's frightening. And then it ties into what we will
Speaker 5: euphemistically call non consensual donations right.
Speaker 1: About to say even I saw that movie.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh man.
Speaker 4: Also, if we say we donate our bodies to science, right,
Speaker 4: we don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can say like I would like it for good,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, but you might end up being like
Speaker 5: in the early days of car crash testing, they used courses.
Speaker 5: You could be one of those.
Speaker 1: You don't know, you could be one of those body farms, yeah,
Speaker 1: which I'd be cool.
Speaker 4: There were one crazy one where like a dude in
Speaker 4: San Francisco had some medical influence or whatever. He got
Speaker 4: a body and basically dissected it in front of a
Speaker 4: paying crowd like stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Like it's more like the traveling Bodies exhibitions.
Speaker 4: That's those Chinese yea even weak or too or there
Speaker 4: were some.
Speaker 5: Like yeah, now I feel like it sounds like we're
Speaker 5: coming from China, but we're not really not. We're really not.
Speaker 1: Hey, if people are doing stuff, they're doing it is
Speaker 1: what it is. And I'm sure that we're doing plenty
Speaker 1: here in the United States.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, we're like South Park. We're equal opportunity offenders.
Speaker 5: There we go. Yeah, and it's and it's that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff is scary, and it is not maybe as
Speaker 5: fun or whimsical as the thought experiments of the pair
Speaker 5: normal and alien exploration, but it's important and we try
Speaker 5: to give or we we endeavor to give a mix
Speaker 5: of things. So it's not always the very depressing Holy shit,
Speaker 5: this is true, and it's not always, uh, the very
Speaker 5: fun like interview with the guy who one believes not
Speaker 5: only is Bigfoot reel, but that he is communicated with this.
Speaker 4: Creature, like David Bakars are you talking.
Speaker 5: About Yeah, it's very nice guy.
Speaker 4: He has big Foot. Yeah, you see him in Blue Ridge, Georgia,
Speaker 4: And it's really dude. It is on the level of
Speaker 4: like Hall of Presidents Disney kind of exhibitions sort of
Speaker 4: like stuff, and it is so cool. He's got this
Speaker 4: like golf cart that he built that has like sonar,
Speaker 4: dish and all of these things for catching the.
Speaker 5: Bill Field investigations. He's got a he's got a.
Speaker 4: Cruise animatronic Bigfoot that's the kind of talk and sing
Speaker 4: and do all kinds of.
Speaker 1: Does you have a life partner?
Speaker 5: He does, Okay, he does, he is. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: real it's a part of their marriage. And and this
Speaker 5: guy what you find when you communicate with people of
Speaker 5: this nature who have a certitude. He's very open to questions,
Speaker 5: you know, like us. So he there's nothing you could
Speaker 5: ask that would really offend him. We're saying one of
Speaker 5: the big things about biology and zoology and cryptozoology is
Speaker 5: where's the poop? Right, That's how you know what creature
Speaker 5: is real? And he rolled with He was like, you know,
Speaker 5: that's a great question. We thought about that a lot.
Speaker 5: And then the explanation he.
Speaker 4: Called scat in the.
Speaker 5: Space sat Yeah, in the space call in a lot
Speaker 5: of space. But he I think that is something that
Speaker 5: we can it's a lesson we can take to apply
Speaker 5: to all kinds of discourse. So like when you are
Speaker 5: being accused of being contrarian or something, that's a person
Speaker 5: who feels incapable of actually exploring your questquestion with you, right, which.
Speaker 4: I have no time for in my regular life. If
Speaker 4: I'm talking to someone who's got their mind made up
Speaker 4: and they're not willing to have a discourse or a conversation,
Speaker 4: or they're not open to questions. It's kind of a
Speaker 4: useless situation. I'm just sort of like not interested, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I'm not trying to be a jerk, but like,
Speaker 4: if someone's not willing to think about where their opinions
Speaker 4: come from and why they think what they think are
Speaker 4: they're not open to being asked questions, then they're probably
Speaker 4: not someone I want to hang out with a bunch,
Speaker 4: you know, And we ask questions in respectful ways. We
Speaker 4: don't do gotcha moments. We're just curious and we're asking questions.
Speaker 4: So if someone is immediately going to shut that down,
Speaker 4: then we're like, why are you even here? Man? You know,
Speaker 4: like this isn't worth any of our time.
Speaker 5: But in defense of those folks who do react that
Speaker 5: way for one reason or another, I imagine we can
Speaker 5: be a bit annoyed at times because we came from
Speaker 5: a We came from a place called when we started
Speaker 5: all this weird podcastry, we came from a place called
Speaker 5: how Stuff Works, which is all about you know, how
Speaker 5: does a microphone work? Figured out coffee? And you know,
Speaker 5: if you're in the crowd, today and you did that,
Speaker 5: Thank you. But the like the the idea of just
Speaker 5: continually playing that game that kids play, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: the why game?
Speaker 4: I do that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Like okay, So for anybody who doesn't know what's
Speaker 5: the why game?
Speaker 1: Anything you do, a kid asks why, and even when
Speaker 1: you give them the answer, the answer to that from them.
Speaker 1: Why why are you wearing that hat?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Because I like it? Why because it matches my suit?
Speaker 1: Why because my suit is great? Why but I do
Speaker 1: the same thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 4: I propose Ben though, that we have a new catchphrase.
Speaker 4: It's where's the poop?
Speaker 5: I like it, Where's the poop?
Speaker 4: It's literally about ask the ask question.
Speaker 1: So I know that we've we've been talking for a while.
Speaker 1: By the way, I think this might have to be
Speaker 1: two episodes.
Speaker 4: I've lost track system to light talking to you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same guys. By the way, I'm really glad
Speaker 1: that you're here with Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown. Of
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know, podcasts and
Speaker 1: other podcasts and all kinds of stuff. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that you guys mentioned earlier was of this
Speaker 1: stuff gets so dark and heavy, and you know, okay,
Speaker 1: let's move past it and blah blah blah. And I
Speaker 1: get that. And it is dark and it is heavy,
Speaker 1: but all change at some point comes from places that
Speaker 1: are really dark and heavy. And I know that it
Speaker 1: seems for a lot of people who are listening to
Speaker 1: this maybe you don't want to hear about that stuff.
Speaker 1: But as long as there's a call to action and
Speaker 1: you can start doing something about it, it's not so dark, right,
Speaker 1: And I think the first part in doing any of
Speaker 1: that is talking about it, discovery and disseminating the information
Speaker 1: to other people. So even though it might feel dark,
Speaker 1: I think you guys are still doing some really great stuff.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for that. Yeah, because that's we
Speaker 5: want to empower people, right, But that's part of the
Speaker 5: idea of asking a questions and saying, well, no, you've
Speaker 5: heard from us, tell us what you think, and we do.
Speaker 4: An episode a week that is entirely crowdsourced. For lack
Speaker 4: of a better term, we have a listener mail episode
Speaker 4: and some of our best ideas for episodes come from listeners.
Speaker 1: Some of your worst come from men too.
Speaker 4: Well, sure, we don't usually make those in episodes.
Speaker 5: There are people with very specific takes they're very passionate
Speaker 5: about somewhat the blood.
Speaker 4: The blood thing. We didn't really know about this Arkansas
Speaker 4: blood thing. We had a listener write in and tell
Speaker 4: us about it, and then it led to a whole
Speaker 4: series of Bad Blood episodes.
Speaker 5: I just love I love this point about empowerment, you know,
Speaker 5: about being able to make some sort of change, whether
Speaker 5: that comes from, as you said, like the spreading of
Speaker 5: awareness or the Hey, do you also think this thing
Speaker 5: is fucked up? Well, then here is a group, here
Speaker 5: is an institution, here's a community, here's something happening, and
Speaker 5: to all too often, for various reasons, it seems like
Speaker 5: we live in a bad news world that maybe paints
Speaker 5: an unrealistic picture of the world. Yeah, there are serious,
Speaker 5: real problems, there are real conspiracies. But guess what, we're
Speaker 5: also in the story. We are characters in the story.
Speaker 5: We can affect the plot.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's the way we all are there for each
Speaker 4: other and are able to talk about this stuff and
Speaker 4: bounce it off each other and interface with our listeners
Speaker 4: that make us feel like there's hope and that it's
Speaker 4: not all doom and gloom, and we are always looking
Speaker 4: for some positive spin or some positive angle not to
Speaker 4: fool ourselves, but just to like not be scared, to
Speaker 4: be alive, you know. I mean, it's just so easy
Speaker 4: to let yourself be fall into that kind of hopelessness
Speaker 4: and despair. And it's having friends that are like minded
Speaker 4: and the know how to ask the right questions and
Speaker 4: to have each other's backs. And then we feel like
Speaker 4: the listeners are an extension of that, and I think
Speaker 4: they feel that we are. So it's just really kind
Speaker 4: of beautiful, sir. I'm getting like emotional about it. There
Speaker 4: is a circle of trust and kindness when it's done right,
Speaker 4: and I think we know we try our best to always.
Speaker 5: Do it right. I didn't know if we get to it.
Speaker 5: But before we end, there is a game that we
Speaker 5: like to play. We would usually if you were on
Speaker 5: our show. Now, this is a game that we would
Speaker 5: play if you're if you're game for the game.
Speaker 1: Always game for a game.
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, So this is our conspiracy yes or
Speaker 5: no kind of thing. Okay, So we're going to ask
Speaker 5: you about some of the most prominent, like popular conspiracy
Speaker 5: theories and we want to hear from you, Gandhi on
Speaker 5: a yes or no. Okay, all right, Well, you want
Speaker 5: to start us off.
Speaker 4: We did aliens, We did do aliens, we did big Well,
Speaker 4: I don't know what do you where?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 4: Where do you fall on on? Yes, he's abominable snowmen,
Speaker 4: you know, big foot type creatures. Maybe we can just
Speaker 4: let's just broaden it to cryptis, to undiscovered creatures, yes, yes?
Speaker 4: Or no?
Speaker 5: Any big ones left?
Speaker 1: Yes you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean if they're undiscovered, I don't know
Speaker 1: they're discovered. Of course they're out there somewhere, they haven't
Speaker 1: been discovered.
Speaker 5: I'm a yes on the yes on the big cryptids.
Speaker 1: Yes, I wish I could high five.
Speaker 5: Okay, then let's do one. Okay, most popular. Did people
Speaker 5: land on the moon?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay, another high five?
Speaker 4: Not a chance faked.
Speaker 5: Kubrick did fake the moon landing, but due to budgetary constraints,
Speaker 5: it was actually cheaper to there.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, fake it all the moon?
Speaker 5: Yeah, because of catering. So uh JFK conspiracies. Do you
Speaker 5: think any of those?
Speaker 4: Yes? Wow? Okay, See this is one that's a careful
Speaker 4: high five we should talk about. This is a good
Speaker 4: one because there was some new information that came out
Speaker 4: relatively recently where this one of the secret Service agents
Speaker 4: that just came out with a book, which is when
Speaker 4: these things come out. There was an additional bullet that
Speaker 4: he found and he it was lodged in the seat
Speaker 4: of the of the limousine and he didn't tell anybody
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Why he didn't know what to do. He put it on.
Speaker 4: JFK's gurney, just laid it there. The magic bullet theory,
Speaker 4: the idea of how could this bullet have gone? Explain
Speaker 4: this helped explain that there was an additional bullet if
Speaker 4: you believe him. If you believe him, and there are
Speaker 4: some people that do call his story the question and
Speaker 4: find that a little suspicious waiting so long.
Speaker 5: I read the book and he.
Speaker 4: Said he was so traumatized by it that he didn't
Speaker 4: follow any of that.
Speaker 1: He just created one of the biggest questions of all
Speaker 1: time and.
Speaker 4: Only decided to come out with it when he's doing
Speaker 4: his book.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, Yeah, so there are.
Speaker 4: True to me though, I think I think he's probably
Speaker 4: is telling the truth.
Speaker 5: I we talked. There's a show that came out on
Speaker 5: the Network called Who Killed JFK? With Rob Reiner and
Speaker 5: Solid Dad O'Brien and.
Speaker 4: We had Rob Reiner on the podcast how he was
Speaker 4: actually getting spinal tap the movie.
Speaker 5: He was going to hang out with his war but
Speaker 5: he had to go work on woral taps thet shooting
Speaker 5: right now. But so, okay, so why do you find
Speaker 5: the official narrative?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: So my parents lived in Dallas for a while. Oh wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: and my dad one of his favorite places to go,
Speaker 1: just honestly, over and over was Dally Square Plaza. The people,
Speaker 1: and I will say this, there might not be credibility
Speaker 1: to it, but there are people in that area who
Speaker 1: just spend their lives trying to tell you, Hey, just
Speaker 1: so you know, this isn't how it went. Here's this
Speaker 1: film that I have, here's proof that it happened. And
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is I don't know. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to commit to one way or another. I will
Speaker 1: leave my mind open to the fact that I don't
Speaker 1: typically believe what the government sells us. Okay, just in general,
Speaker 1: all of the things with like Lee Harvey Oswald being
Speaker 1: a terrible shot and then all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 1: this amazing shooter from a very obscure point of view,
Speaker 1: being able to do this and then he gets killed
Speaker 1: before he ever really has a chance to give his
Speaker 1: side of how things happen. I mean to me, that's
Speaker 1: just you know, that's enough for me to question.
Speaker 5: And then the guy who kills him also gets killed.
Speaker 1: It's enough for me to question. So because of that,
Speaker 1: I will say I'll buy it.
Speaker 4: What do we say? Last night we were having a
Speaker 4: bit of a night walk with our buddy Payton.
Speaker 1: Last night was a night walk. You guys got a joint.
Speaker 4: There was some of that, some drinking and around New York.
Speaker 4: New York's a good drinking city because you can you
Speaker 4: can walk just around and find entertaining things and not
Speaker 4: ever have to worry about, you know, driving and talks.
Speaker 5: Case every every city we go to. Uh, this is
Speaker 5: something that's known on our show, every city we go to.
Speaker 5: I am a huge proponent of walking. I hate the sun.
Speaker 5: So night walks are I resent.
Speaker 1: You are a vampire.
Speaker 5: It insists upon itself.
Speaker 4: So we were walking around there, we're walking a night walk,
Speaker 4: and there was I was I was smoking to join
Speaker 4: those guys didn't particular, but I think I said something
Speaker 4: to the effect of, you know, guys, the government's basically
Speaker 4: just like legitimized organized crime, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and they are the biggest organized crime organizations.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying being a little more organized then, okay.
Speaker 4: But the fact is that we know this corruption is
Speaker 4: part of the legacy of government back to its early
Speaker 4: earliest forms, and it's a way of like protecting yourself
Speaker 4: and covering your button, taking care of your buddies. And
Speaker 4: you make the law, therefore you can skirt it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then here comes JFK with all of these
Speaker 1: ideas to get in the way of that and change
Speaker 1: things and go against the grain and do things that
Speaker 1: people did not support. And then oh, he's snuffed out.
Speaker 5: And he's messing with the money.
Speaker 1: I again, it's enough for me to just question and
Speaker 1: not buy what they're trying to sell me.
Speaker 4: I'm so bad, I remembering titles of things that have
Speaker 4: numbers in it. But that's Stephen king book, The Alternate
Speaker 4: Reality about JFK's assassination. There's a TV series version of
Speaker 4: it with James Franco, and it's very very good.
Speaker 1: With all the stuff that you guys are diving into,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it has to do with government.
Speaker 1: Do people ever reach out to you from governmental agencies
Speaker 1: or somewhere that say, hey, calm it downfellas, no, no
Speaker 1: it down.
Speaker 4: People that are like I did work for the DoD
Speaker 4: or I did work for whatever agency. Here, here's my
Speaker 4: inside scoop perspective. Please don't use my name.
Speaker 5: That's about yeah. And over the years, I think the
Speaker 5: most chilling letters were the very polite ones, the ones
Speaker 5: where they just sort of let you like, can I
Speaker 5: touch it? They just sort of let you know, hey, hey, jump,
Speaker 5: I saw your show, and uh and something, and those
Speaker 5: those letters. You know, in some cases it can be
Speaker 5: difficult to prove the authenticity of that kind of thing,
Speaker 5: but we would get, you know, we get pretty collegiate stuff.
Speaker 5: We haven't ever had someone specifically shut us down for
Speaker 5: something that's more confessional.
Speaker 4: From the company side of things. No, huge credit to
Speaker 4: iHeart by the way, they don't interve interfere with anything
Speaker 4: we've ever done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just care about the money.
Speaker 4: There even been times where we've you know, had to
Speaker 4: say some maybe difficult to hear things about some potential sponsors,
Speaker 4: you know, And it's not like someone gets ping in
Speaker 4: their inboxes like hey, the conspiracy guys are up to
Speaker 4: no good. We better shut them down.
Speaker 1: Yes, they do.
Speaker 5: Yes, they don't get we got a Okay, here's probably
Speaker 5: my favorite example. We did a series on the history
Speaker 5: of assassinations, or targeted killings as they're called euphemistically. That's
Speaker 5: not even a euphemism in a less cool way. It's
Speaker 5: a polite way. It's like it's like, hey, don't worry
Speaker 5: though we were aiming, but the yeah, so it's like
Speaker 5: the ancient history of where assassin comes from, all the
Speaker 5: way to the fact that any world government that is
Speaker 5: capable of doing this, that feels it as appropriate, will
Speaker 5: do it because assassination works. And we received a letter
Speaker 5: from a person who has been involved in these situations
Speaker 5: does have not and I vetted him and he's assassin
Speaker 5: or in the assassity quiet Pills assassin adjacent. Okay, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: that's different. Okay, Lake City Quiet Pills is a great example.
Speaker 4: I don't think I remember this.
Speaker 5: But the he he actually it wasn't fan mail, but
Speaker 5: it was just like a nice, well thought out response,
Speaker 5: and he said, yes, you guys are largely correct. These
Speaker 5: things do work, but one thing you missed is that
Speaker 5: sometimes you have to do it. And that was he
Speaker 5: wasn't you know, lecturing talking down. It is just like, hey,
Speaker 5: here's an inside perspective, at which point I thought, this
Speaker 5: is fucking crazy, but let's keep doing our little podcast.
Speaker 4: I also would argue, I think we understand that, and
Speaker 4: I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm pro
Speaker 4: or anti assassination, but we know that it was probably
Speaker 4: good idea to assassinate a sam you know, a circumstances.
Speaker 5: It's a hot take, but I don't think he was
Speaker 5: a great guy.
Speaker 4: Not a great guy. So you know, one one person
Speaker 4: terrorists is another person's freedom fighter, depending on what side
Speaker 4: of the aisle you fall. So we know we assassinate people,
Speaker 4: but we only assassinate the bad guys. I think that's
Speaker 4: where the thing gets gets sticky.
Speaker 1: Right, that guys to whom?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that guy was to be clear who wrote
Speaker 5: who wrote to us? You could argue maybe he was
Speaker 5: trying to rationalize some things to himself. Possibly but dress.
Speaker 4: I was encrypted or it was through one of those like.
Speaker 1: That would make me think twice, Yeah, yeah, how like
Speaker 1: I don't know how much can I touch it?
Speaker 5: I want to do with that guy. But but conspiracies
Speaker 5: are you know, they come like folklore. They often come
Speaker 5: from some grain of truth, and they're very popular in
Speaker 5: the United States. It's one of the most popular forms
Speaker 5: of folklore in this country. Because our country was founded
Speaker 5: as a result of a conspiracy against well, I'm doing
Speaker 5: a pivot against the United Kingdom, which is still you know,
Speaker 5: a treasure trove of conspiracies, because the concept of monarchy,
Speaker 5: if you had to explain it to an alien, is really.
Speaker 1: Straight welfare case on the planet that we were talking about,
Speaker 1: So it has no actually they have no power run.
Speaker 5: The real estate.
Speaker 1: Are there other Hollywood pop culture conspiracies that you guys
Speaker 1: are really into.
Speaker 5: Uh, there there are, Yeah, there are quite a few.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: The one we did recently about just the studio system
Speaker 4: in the early the Golden era.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Way to hire private detectives to like, you know, get
Speaker 4: dirt on their competition.
Speaker 5: And because the student the studios got close to being
Speaker 5: their own regional power, you know. And there was so
Speaker 5: we know a lot of ugly hidden history of Hollywood
Speaker 5: in terms of pop culture in the modern day. I
Speaker 5: will make a prediction, uh here, and this is going
Speaker 5: to develop pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: It's already prediction.
Speaker 5: Okay, there's going to be even more public interest in
Speaker 5: some really nasty cover ups on Nickelodeon side.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure that now, Yeah, it's going to just.
Speaker 5: Get bigger, I think so. And it's because of the uh,
Speaker 5: it's because of the horrific predatory actions of.
Speaker 4: Really bad stuff, I mean.
Speaker 1: Absolutely with children.
Speaker 5: And then I had that I had that dumb, like
Speaker 5: stoner moment. I was researching stuff about.
Speaker 1: This involve joints, but I was I like, had.
Speaker 5: That moment where I can't remember there was a TV
Speaker 5: on randomly in the background. I'm reading about this stuff.
Speaker 5: It's like weird rerunting and I turn around and I
Speaker 5: realized the Nickelodeon logo is afoot. It was like the
Speaker 5: moment in you know, Usual Suspects where you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: that was Kaiser so, and I thought it was here
Speaker 5: the whole time. And I know it's very again, it's
Speaker 5: a disturbing thing, but I'd love you guys opinion on it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's crazy to remember. We I
Speaker 4: think within the kind of this conversation, we talked about
Speaker 4: a lot of the weird grooming that took place with
Speaker 4: young stars in terrible nineties. There was a club for
Speaker 4: kids called the Soda Pop club. It was basically a
Speaker 4: non alcoholic nightclub for like probably, I mean, that's the
Speaker 4: exactly the location. Like Corey Feldman, Corey came. You know,
Speaker 4: Corey Feldman has a lot of accusations about being molested
Speaker 4: by high level executives, you know, And yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that's just a continuations. What he's talking about is the
Speaker 4: continuation of.
Speaker 5: That a real conspiracy affecting everybody in your grocery stores
Speaker 5: or markets today. Shrink Flation is real. I sound like
Speaker 5: an old man shaking my fist at the sky. Like
Speaker 5: col Co Cola used to be twelve ounce bottle, used.
Speaker 4: To groups of raisins in my brand. I know.
Speaker 1: I wish Scotty was here. Scotty's our producer who's typically
Speaker 1: in that room.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 1: He loves grocery stores. He's obsessed with them. He has
Speaker 1: a podcast about cereal. You see all that serious stuff
Speaker 1: in there. He is on one about shrink flation. He's like,
Speaker 1: it used to be a six ounce box. Now it's
Speaker 1: a two ounce box.
Speaker 4: It's the same prime, it's smaller in the box. It's
Speaker 4: it's more.
Speaker 5: We got to hang out with this. I like his vibe.
Speaker 5: Let's hang out with it around them well saw and.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is awesome. Guys. I know I
Speaker 1: could keep you here forever, so good thing.
Speaker 4: We didn't schedule anything else for today.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, if you're ever back in town, because I
Speaker 1: had a whole list of things and I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you about and I didn't even get to like
Speaker 1: of them. So next time you're in town, I would
Speaker 1: love for you to come back and we could do
Speaker 1: another episode.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for hanging out
Speaker 5: with us.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming in. This has been so fun.
Speaker 1: And I wish we were all smoking a joint because
Speaker 1: it would just keep going.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, this conversation continues, we're going to have
Speaker 5: to pick it up.
Speaker 1: Well, guys, thank you so much. It's been awesome. If
Speaker 1: people want to listen to your podcast about all of
Speaker 1: these amazing things, how can they find you.
Speaker 5: You can find us wherever you find your favorite shows.
Speaker 5: We are stuff they don't want you to know. You
Speaker 5: can see us. Let's see Apple all this other stuff
Speaker 5: we got the social media. Oh we had a video,
Speaker 5: well yeah, yeah, we do it off air.
Speaker 4: We'll do it off air, but we have this YouTube
Speaker 4: channel where we post new video content every week. We've
Speaker 4: got a really great team we work with and make
Speaker 4: some fun kind of sketchy videos, sketchy sketchy comics, and
Speaker 4: that is a conspiracy stuff and we are a conspiracy
Speaker 4: stuff show on Instagram and TikTok. Ben and I also
Speaker 4: do a show together called Ridiculous History that you can
Speaker 4: also find anywhere you get podcasts, and we do two
Speaker 4: of those a week, and we did five pieces of
Speaker 4: stuff that I want to know content every week, and
Speaker 4: then we.
Speaker 5: Have we have a book called in a Burst of
Speaker 5: Creativity stuff they don't want you to know, the.
Speaker 4: Book, the movie, the experience.
Speaker 5: Okay, lots of rooms awesome.
Speaker 1: And if they want to find you on Instagram, I
Speaker 1: know you just dropped the podcast info. Do you like
Speaker 1: people to follow you personally?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how can they find you?
Speaker 4: You can find me at how now, Noel Brown, I'm
Speaker 4: pretty exclusively on Instagram. Ben's all over the place.
Speaker 5: In another stunning burst of creativity, I am at Ben
Speaker 5: Bullen on Instagram. Bow l, I n you can find
Speaker 5: me on X somehow And that's I think right now.
Speaker 5: Instagram is probably the main one. I'm on the cusp
Speaker 5: of TikTok, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure yeah, I'm not there yet either. I watched stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't post anything.
Speaker 4: I'm too old.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, it's been awesome and I hope that
Speaker 1: you come back again. This has been great. Thank you, Andrew.
Speaker 1: I have to say I wish you would have been
Speaker 1: in there for some of the stuff when we were
Speaker 1: talking about blood and body donation, because that's right their alley.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, that is. I gotta move the mic.
Speaker 2: Sorry again. Yeah, I one hundred percent am interested in that.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, it's terrifying.
Speaker 1: There's a whole part that we actually had to cut out.
Speaker 1: Did we already talk about this? I don't think we did,
Speaker 1: so we you know, I record a lot of these
Speaker 1: earlier than they are actually played for lots of reasons.
Speaker 1: But when I recorded with Ben and Knowle, Diamond was
Speaker 1: in there and one of the things that they were
Speaker 1: talking about, they talked about two things that I cut out.
Speaker 1: They talked about Kate Middleton, where Diamond, by the way,
Speaker 1: clearly predicted exactly what happened. She said, I think there's
Speaker 1: something tragically wrong. I think she's sick. Yes she did,
Speaker 1: and that is what ended up happening. And then we
Speaker 1: were all speculating about Diddy. Is he going to get
Speaker 1: in trouble? Is anything gonna happen? Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: wonder if if the cops are ever going to approach
Speaker 1: him about all the things. And then bam, bam it happened.
Speaker 1: So that was cut out a little behind the scenes
Speaker 1: for you.
Speaker 2: I love those.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So now we have two things we need to Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk it to a microphone, Andrew.
Speaker 2: I don't want to move her out of the way.
Speaker 1: My god. Anyway, So we have two things we have
Speaker 1: to do. An entry of the burn book, which you're
Speaker 1: going to submit today. Yeah, and then we'll do and
Speaker 1: ask me anything. Okay, So who are you trying to burn?
Speaker 1: What's making you mad? Andrew?
Speaker 2: Okay? I think what bothers me is I offered to
Speaker 2: buy you? Oh god, Josh, here we go and don't
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, me just because you're getting burned?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 2: And Diamond all breakfast this morning?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: This was after you were left out of the breakfast order.
Speaker 2: I felt bad, so I offered to buy you breakfast
Speaker 2: instead of just saying thank you. I originally got ah,
Speaker 2: thank you, and then it was what nefarious actions are
Speaker 2: you hiding? Why when did it become like what wounded
Speaker 2: birds are you that you can't just take a simple
Speaker 2: gesture and say thank you and move on. Why does
Speaker 2: it have to become a thing. Why is it manipulative
Speaker 2: to try and buy you breakfast? I made a mistake.
Speaker 2: I'm offering to buy you breakfast. Just say thank you
Speaker 2: and move on.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up. That's a great question, Andrew,
Speaker 1: thank you for asking. No. No, you just asked. See
Speaker 1: what happens when you burn people who are sitting right
Speaker 1: next to you, is they have a chance to re butt?
Speaker 2: But I don't need the butt because I gave you
Speaker 2: ask what it is? No, No, there are no questions.
Speaker 1: You literally just started sentences with sentences which.
Speaker 2: Josh, take it out.
Speaker 1: You know I edit these.
Speaker 2: Right, Gandhi take it out.
Speaker 1: Out anyway if you miss what happened. There was a
Speaker 1: day where I texted Andrew and I said, people want breakfast,
Speaker 1: and they were in crazy moods, and everybody wanted breakfast
Speaker 1: now now now, so Andrew sent out the order and
Speaker 1: then I shamefully went to pee and get myself some water.
Speaker 1: And as I was doing that, everybody placed their orders
Speaker 1: and the order was sent. Diamond didn't get in, I
Speaker 1: didn't get in, Josh didn't get in. We were all
Speaker 1: left out of the breakfast order. So this is where
Speaker 1: it all came from. Then Andrews said, I'll buy you
Speaker 1: guys breakfast. But this is what happened. You were very
Speaker 1: sheepish and sad about it, and no one wants to
Speaker 1: take advantage of that, which you know, which is one
Speaker 1: of your manipulation tactics, and you get all sad and cue.
Speaker 2: Here we go sad and cue like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so Sally, I can listen to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's bad. So what would you rather me
Speaker 2: have done? Just said, f you, I don't want to
Speaker 2: get you breakfast. I felt bad. I wanted to offer
Speaker 2: to get breakfast. The only thing that's crazy here is
Speaker 2: how everyone's acting. I don't know what mob dramas you're
Speaker 2: all watching that. We got to be on high alert.
Speaker 2: But let's pipe it down, let's calm it down. Let's
Speaker 2: just regroup and when somebody offers, just say oh, thank
Speaker 2: you or no thank you, just.
Speaker 1: Saying the bass in your voice that you have right
Speaker 1: now you did not have this morning. I apologized very meekly,
Speaker 1: like oh, I'm so sorry. Guys, I love you so much.
Speaker 1: I'll buy you a breakfast. We're all like, no, that's
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: So you're saying no because of what you inferred? Was
Speaker 2: the tone of my voice there was that You took
Speaker 2: that as oh he's acting sheepish. Oh that means I
Speaker 2: have to I'm now feeling bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry, Diamond, you're making something.
Speaker 2: You were making a mountain out of a molehill.
Speaker 1: Did I infer that tone or was the tone there?
Speaker 3: I don't understand why we're even okay here, I don't
Speaker 3: understand why we're even giving this man any mic time.
Speaker 3: Let's just move on. You think you're burning us, but
Speaker 3: you're really getting burned. So now Andrew, for the what
Speaker 3: second time is being burned?
Speaker 2: And so our Gandhi, Josh and Diamond, you know.
Speaker 1: What, Just for that, I feel like we should let
Speaker 1: your burn stand. You're right, we got burned. You did
Speaker 1: not get burned. Okay, Diamond, let's get to the ask
Speaker 1: me anything. I'm ready for this one here.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he can't take he can't take the heat.
Speaker 1: So he's getting out the kitchen in here. Bye, we're
Speaker 1: gonna miss this sound.
Speaker 3: Okay. This question is from Victoria McLachlan's seventeen Did you
Speaker 3: meet Brandon?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'm at Brandon when I was in sixth
Speaker 1: grade and he lived in my neighborhood. He lived in
Speaker 1: the back of the neighborhood. I lived in the front
Speaker 1: of the neighborhood, and we rode the bus together. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's much older than me. However, I just like to
Speaker 1: say that because it stresses about But on the bus
Speaker 1: he was mean as fuck, and we used to fight
Speaker 1: with each other all the time and pick on each
Speaker 1: other all the time. And I will say it was
Speaker 1: mutual combat. But we definitely weren't buddies. I mean, we
Speaker 1: had the same friends. Obviously we lived in the same neighborhood.
Speaker 1: He does not believe me when I say that. Well,
Speaker 1: now fast forward to how we actually started dating. He
Speaker 1: worked with a car company that does some really cool stuff.
Speaker 1: They build like prototype vehicles that you see in auto
Speaker 1: shows and in movies, and then he would travel with
Speaker 1: these vehicles and show people what they were about and
Speaker 1: how to use them whatever. So he came to New
Speaker 1: York City for the audio show and posted a picture
Speaker 1: outside the World Trade Center which is a few blocks
Speaker 1: from where our old building used to be. And I
Speaker 1: saw it and I thought it was cute, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, really, like, you're right down the street
Speaker 1: and you can't even say hi. We had kind of
Speaker 1: kept in touch a little bit, you know, like throughout
Speaker 1: the years, and he was like, Yeah, I'm in town.
Speaker 1: Why don't you show me You're on the city And
Speaker 1: I was headed to Singapore, but the timing worked out
Speaker 1: where he was coming back to town when I came back,
Speaker 1: so we went and hung out and we have been
Speaker 1: dating ever since. That's so cute, ah, isn't it. And
Speaker 1: it was just a couple of weeks after a guy
Speaker 1: that I had been dating very casually went off to
Speaker 1: the Air Force and Brandon was kind of weird about it,
Speaker 1: and he made me tell him that I was seeing
Speaker 1: somebody new because he said, Brandon is a military vet,
Speaker 1: and he said, there's a very good chance that this
Speaker 1: person thinks that you guys might still have something going on,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be He calls him Jody.
Speaker 1: I guess Jody is a nickname for or the guy
Speaker 1: that steals your girl when you're deployed. And he was
Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna be a Jodie to somebody else,
Speaker 1: so you have to talk to this person. And he
Speaker 1: made me have a very weird conversation because that person
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I okay, cool.
Speaker 3: So you wrote the Dear John letter.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It ended up being a text message, yeah,
Speaker 1: a long one, and I was like, so, I just
Speaker 1: wanted you to know. And I'm pretty sure that that
Speaker 1: guy to this day thinks that I was talking to
Speaker 1: both of them at the same time, because it was
Speaker 1: pretty close. But in my head, I had been done
Speaker 1: with that because we knew that he was going away.
Speaker 1: He was going to the Air Force, so I didn't
Speaker 1: think that it was like a conversation that needed to
Speaker 1: be had. But anyway, Brandon made me have it, and.
Speaker 4: Here we are.
Speaker 3: You're a terrible human beings.
Speaker 1: Shut the hell up. Shut the hell up. But funny
Speaker 1: about that, well, I think it's funny. It was National
Speaker 1: Diary Day one day here and my mom had just
Speaker 1: given me my diary from seventh grade. So this war
Speaker 1: clearly was extended because the page that I opened it
Speaker 1: up and flipped to was me talking shit about Brandon,
Speaker 1: going off about him, how he was evil, how he
Speaker 1: was mean. I said some mean stuff to him and
Speaker 1: seventh grade me not much different than me. Now, oh god,
Speaker 1: it's very pathetic, very pathetic. Brandon.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry that you had to deal with this
Speaker 3: when you were younger, and the fact that you have
Speaker 3: to deal with this now.
Speaker 1: Once again, I say, shut the hell up. And that's that.
Speaker 1: So I think we have to wrap it up now.
Speaker 1: That was great. The guys from the Stuff they Don't
Speaker 1: want you to know podcasts Ben Bowleen Noel Brown, they're amazing.
Speaker 1: Go listen to their podcast too. You can follow them
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Diamond I love you answer, thank god he left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy's trouble. People want to find you on Instagram?
Speaker 1: How do they do it?
Speaker 3: At Diamond Sincere and on Twitter? Twitter at Diamond Sincere
Speaker 3: with an underscore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she won't give up ack. She loves it over there.
Speaker 1: It's drama filled it And if you want to follow
Speaker 1: me at Baby Hot Sauce for now, that may be changing.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll see you next time.
Speaker 3: Let me lat say bye bye.
Speaker 4: Six six