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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sanny and Samantha. I want my Stuffie

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Speaker 1: never told you predicture of I Heart Radio, and today

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Speaker 1: it is September seventeenth, twenty twenty four. I say this

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Speaker 1: because this is an ongoing news story that I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of you have heard about. Okay, I know

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Speaker 1: we've talked about this before. I hope you don't mind

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Speaker 1: me asking were you a tampon person or a pad person?

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Speaker 2: Smantha, I was a tampon person, so it took me

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Speaker 2: a while to get figured to figure that out. I

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Speaker 2: have a vivid, vivid memory of my high school best

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Speaker 2: friend's mother. We went in middle school, so my middle

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Speaker 2: school's best friend's mother having to teach me how to

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Speaker 2: use one because I was freaking out because I actually

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Speaker 2: hurt the first time I ever used it, and they

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Speaker 2: just kept feeling like they were falling out. So it

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Speaker 2: took me a long time. I say a long time,

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Speaker 2: like probably a year to two years into my period

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Speaker 2: to actually figure out how to use those. But after

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Speaker 2: I did, I became a tampon person forever and ever

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Speaker 2: and ever until I, you know, stopped having my period.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I and I would buy the multiboxes and

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Speaker 2: carry them about towards the end. I did use the

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Speaker 2: ob which is the one without the applicator. That was

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Speaker 1: I feel like you've talked about that before.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it took me a minute to figure that

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was a bad person. I never could. They

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Speaker 1: always hurt, and I even tampon's always hurt. And I

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Speaker 1: even tried, like the really small ones. I tried, like

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things, because it felt like it. I

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Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before. There's no real rhyme

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Speaker 1: or reason behind it, but it felt like pruds use

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Speaker 1: pads like the cool people used to.

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Speaker 2: It though the mature girls knew how to use that,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, use paths, which is not true at all. No,

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Speaker 3: it's not true. It is not true at all. But

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Speaker 3: I did feel it because I was I think I

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Speaker 1: But I just couldn't. I couldn't figure it out to

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Speaker 1: this day, to this day, I don't know, don't know

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Speaker 1: what was going on there, probably user error, could have

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Speaker 1: been anything. But I did try. I was really determined,

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Speaker 1: and I did wear them sometimes, but just generally it

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Speaker 1: didn't work out. But okay, I guess CW, it's not

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Speaker 1: really a c W disclaimer. We're not doctors. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: are not doctors, but we did want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this recent news story about tampons that caught a lot

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Speaker 1: from July twenty twenty four found low levels of arsenic

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Speaker 1: and lead in inorganic and organic tampons. The study surveyed

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Speaker 1: thirty tampons and fourteen different brands with varying absorbencies, purchased

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Speaker 1: in the US, the UK, and Greece. When the tampons

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Speaker 1: were tested, the testers didn't know the brand, so it

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Speaker 1: was a blind test. They were looking for the presence

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Speaker 1: of sixteen heavy metals. The study did not ascertain whether

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Speaker 1: the medals were released when the tampon was used. According

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Speaker 1: to the EPA, there is no safe level of exposure

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Speaker 1: to lead in humans, so that's bad. In response, the

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Speaker 1: study for metals being released absorbed into the vaginal lining

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Speaker 1: and getting into the bloodstream during tampon use. The FDA

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Speaker 1: has therefore commissioned an independent literature review and initiated an

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Speaker 1: internal bench laboratory study to evaluate metals and tampons. We

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Speaker 1: want the public to know that before tampons can be

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Speaker 1: legally sold in the US, they must meet FDA requirements

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Speaker 1: for safety and effectiveness. Manufacturers must test the product and

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Speaker 1: its component materials before, during, and after manufacturing before a

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Speaker 1: product is allowed onto the market. Biocompatibility testing is undertaken

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Speaker 1: by the manufacturing company, which is part of safety testing

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Speaker 1: And then a spokesperson for the American Chemistry Council came

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Speaker 1: saying change them more regularly. Great, but they're so expensive anyway.

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Speaker 1: just a little like all this time, really now you're

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Speaker 2: Right? Cool?

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Speaker 1: Love that Just an FYI, A significant number of people

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Speaker 1: use tampons every month. Of those who menstrate, about fifty

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Speaker 1: reproductive years, they may use seven four hundred, so that's

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Speaker 1: was the first study to look into these metals and tampons.

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Speaker 1: MPR that they were not surprised by the researcher's findings,

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Speaker 1: since other studies over the years have detected potentially harmful

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Speaker 1: chemicals and tampons and other menstrual products, including period underwear.

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Speaker 1: we use so many tampons of our lifetime. It's just

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Speaker 1: bleaching process that produced a quote known human carcinogen in tampons.

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Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two study found that twenty two percent

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Speaker 1: So there's been the kind of a like, oh, way,

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Speaker 1: and they are going to follow up and do more.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's sort of complications when doing a study like

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Speaker 1: leeches into vaginal lining, for instance. But as I said,

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean again, it took the to it this

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Speaker 2: year to use actual blood, yes, to measure how much

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Speaker 2: the but you know, shrink flation of tampons, possibly that

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Speaker 2: this conversation, the paink tax, like such such constant conversation

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Speaker 2: and not just about like you know, stopping whatever that's

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Speaker 2: with it, like can you just plug that up please?

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Speaker 2: Or wear this diaper? Think you have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Stop talking to me, don't talk about it, don't care

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Speaker 2: how much. I don't really want to know. Just yeah,

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Speaker 2: just stop. Essentially beyond that is taken until now to

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Speaker 2: That's what it was. And I know people because I

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, I mean that's the thing is like so

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