WEBVTT - How Circumcision Works 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.800 Brought to you by the Reinvented twenty twelve Camra. It's ready. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:09.160 Are you welcome to stuff you should know from HowStuffWorks 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:18.040 dot Com? Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.599 m clark. With me is Charles W. Bryant that makes 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:28.000 this stuff. You should nizzo and that's that. Hi. Hey, 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:33.360 josh m Clark, Joshua, Joshua m clark. Yes, you don't 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.640 have a fancy setup today, I have an intro. Okay, 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.479 let's hear it. Okay, Wow, Chuck, you really kind of 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.199 get up against the wall, aren't you today? Are you 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.040 waiting on me a little bit? Okay? Are you ready? 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.120 I'm ready, Chuck. Josh Have you ever heard of Lloyd Schofield? 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.720 I have not? Yes, you have? You always do this? 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.760 Who is he? Uh? He is a guy out in 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:02.880 San Francisco who has proposed, Yes, next Novembers, I guess, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.080 referendum elections. It wouldn't even be midterm. What do you 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.080 call the elections between midterm and you know, the big 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.600 one quarter term? I don't know. Okay, we'll call it that. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.360 For next November's ballot in San Francisco, there may be 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.760 a referendum if Floyd Schofield has anything to do with 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:24.440 it that outright bans male circumcision in San Francisco. Well, yeah, obviously, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.479 but you got to start somewhere. Yeah, Schofield needs seventy 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:34.000 one hundred signatures. Huh and basically read the read the provision, Chuck, 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.800 the wording of the proposed referendum, it would make it 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:44.039 a misdemeanor to circumcise, xcise, cut, or mutilate the genitals 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.480 of a person under eighteen, right, and he he says 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.840 it's genital mutilation. That's how he feels, and other people 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.680 feel that way too. Yeah, he's definitely not on his 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.440 own in that one. There's some people in this CBS 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.280 AP article they're like, it's a little too far. It 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.160 should be the choice of the parents, Schofield's idea, And 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.360 it's kind of it kind of appears in this in 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:11.320 the wording of the ballot measure that it's a parent's choice, 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.720 but it's not the choice of most people who are circumcised, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:20.240 because they're generally circumcised as newborn infants. Yeah, little boys are. 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.480 And he likened it to tattooing because you're not allowed 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.760 to tattoo a child. When did you start saying tattooed 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.839 like that? What do you mean? Tattoo? Is that weird? Yeah, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.480 it's a little weird. It's like humans. Well that's what 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.560 he says. He said that, you know, to felony, to 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:40.119 tatoo a kid. So he's really laughing in there, Yeah, 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:43.040 to tattoo a child. And so he says it's the 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.119 same thing. Well, yeah, he's actually saying it's way way 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:49.240 worse than tattooing exactly. But he is saying it's a 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.120 long the same lines as a choice by the parents 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:56.040 that is possibly against the child's will later on. And 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.400 that's that. So let's talk about circumcision, because this is 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.000 a little that's an odd approach to me, you know, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.640 like the way I've always understood it is, you know, 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.560 there's circumcision out there. It's not weird, it's not odd. 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.200 But as you kind of get older, you realize that there's, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:17.720 you know, two sides to this whole story, and it 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.119 kind of is actually and you kind of come to realize, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.640 like there's people out there who think that people who 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.480 aren't circumcised or weird, and people out there who think 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.640 that people who are circumcised? Are weird? Right? Exactly? Let's 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.359 do some stats, stat man, Well, I think the first 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:37.360 stat we should open with, perhaps, is that if you 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.440 are an American boy or a man in the last 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.280 thirty years, then there's about a three and five chance 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.800 that you are circumcised here in this country over the 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.839 past three decades, although that is falling big time. Yeah, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:55.680 what was the three and five chance now in two 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:59.560 thousand and five. Between nineteen eighty and I think two thousand, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.160 it was three and five, right, Yeah, and then by 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:05.800 two thousand and five it had dropped to about fifty 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:11.040 three percent. Yeah, and the Schofield says that in two 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.720 thousand and nine it fell to thirty three percent. That's 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.760 a huge job. So in a decade it fell thirty percent. 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.839 And they actually think one of the reasons why is 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.920 because there's been an increasing presence of Hispanics in the US, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.279 and Hispanics are much much less likely than any other 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:33.480 group to circumcise their male infants. And it's also lower 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.280 out west than where there's a larger Hispanic population. Yeah, 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.800 in the Midwest, there's about a seventy five percent chance 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.440 that you are going to circumcise your boy. Yeah, in 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.640 the South, there's half yeah, fifty to fifty, right, it's 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:53.159 like Russian Roulette with a two barreled, two chamber gun. Yeah, yeah, sure. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.760 And then out west, Yeah, it's less than a quarter 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.000 of the male infants are circumcised out there every year. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.680 But ultimately there's about one point two million circumcisions. Well 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.320 there were in two thousand and five. Yes, so now 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.280 we're down to less than that. But in two thousand 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.719 and five, they're about one point two million male boys 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.360 born in the United States who were circumcised, right, yeah, 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.559 And since you mentioned that, that at about two hundred 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.719 dollars a pop, even though it's included in your in 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.440 your berthen bill, it's about two hundred and forty million 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.320 dollars that insurance companies would love to not have to 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.320 pay exactly. So there's actually, I don't know if it's 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:36.279 overt support or maybe quiet financial support or whatever, but 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.320 the insurance companies are very happy to side with the 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.080 anti circumcision movement and medicaid. Yes, of course, So Chuck, 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.960 let's talk about the penis. Let's talk about the foreskin. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.320 That's part of it. We're gonna say the word penis 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.000 a whole lot ycause you can't avoid it when you're 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.359 talking about circumcision. That's right, because let's just go ahead 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.240 and set up for our foreign friends who may not 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:04.120 know what circumcisi is. Like Roller Derby circumcision is when 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:08.240 the foreskin of the penis that's also called the prepuse, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:13.160 is removed. Simple as that. So you got the prepuse 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.480 which is the foreskin. Yes, it covers the tip of 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.640 the penis, which is also called the glands g L 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.960 A N s. Right. And then there's a piece of 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.960 connective tissue that works much like the connective tissue that 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.440 anchors the bottom of your tongue to the floor of 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.680 your mouth. Yes, call a frenulum, and that keeps the 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.279 prepuse connected to the glands. Yeah. And they also said 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:40.039 the inner portion of the foreskin is also much like 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.480 the inside of your mouth in that it has a 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.880 natural moisture to lubricate the glands. It's hot and moist 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:51.440 in there, that's what it says. Yes, Yeah, it provides 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.919 lubrication which kind of keeps it safe and sheathed, I 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.000 guess right, yeah, from abrasion. And like they mantled, cold 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.960 and the dry winter air can be rough on a glands. Yeah, 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.039 and they this was a Tom Sheeve article. In my 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.520 hat is off to him for this one. Yes, Tom 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.120 did a great job with us. I liked your first response, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:15.640 Thank you, Chuck. It also contains the prep use, also 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:22.400 contains some nerve cells, did net bundles blood special blood cells. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.840 I had no idea, just it makes the penis that 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.360 much more sensitive. And the fact that it's it produces 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.400 movement aids in stimulation and lubrication. So there's a lot 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:37.040 of people who are happy with their prep use or 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.840 foreskin and are very glad that they are uncut. As 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.760 the anti circumcision groups would call it right, right or 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.400 natural is another one that's right. And since we're talking 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.760 about the foreskin, it's not the same on all dudes. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.600 It's like every human body part. It varies from person 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.400 to person. And some men actually are sort of naturally 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.960 circumcised because they're born with very little foreskin, or they 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:09.120 have foreskins that actually retract during puberty. They go exactly 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:14.880 where maybe said trombone, and they do serve a protective purpose, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.800 but they can also and for people that are on 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.600 both sides, we're going to present both sides of the 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.520 arguments that don't say, you guys are just talking about 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.440 this one side. We're gonna talk about both sides, sure, 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.760 of course. But some one camp believes that it can 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.720 cause some problems. Well it can. I think everybody agrees 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.120 on these, like these are the very rare problems that 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.880 can come about it. And we should say that it's 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.880 rare though, because one of the big problems that the 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:44.800 anti circumcision folks have is that these are overstated. Like 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:49.360 when you say it can it's easier to get dirty, 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.240 and bacteria can build up and all these things can happen. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.559 That is true, but it's not like if you skip 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.560 a shower, this is gonna happen. Well, let's talk about this, 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.480 because okay, there are some some problems that can arise 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:06.319 just from having an or normal foreskin. One of those 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.360 problems because it is like the inside of your mouth 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.840 and there warm moist. Gotta keep it clean. You do 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:14.520 have to keep it clean, and if you don't, a 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:20.120 white build up, a white soapy build up, soapy soupy. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.000 This says cheesy in the article cheesy. That's right. A white, 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:27.080 cheesy build up called smegmum can develop and once you 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.360 start developing a white, cheesy build up called smegmum within 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.560 your foreskin, you want to take a really hard, long 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:39.280 look at your grooming habits. Yeah, did you say smegmum? Smegma? Okay, 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.400 Smegmum's maybe the plural. No, I want to make sure 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.080 you were saying it right, megma, because the last thing 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.400 I want is listener mail on the pronunciation of smegma. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.360 We get all these voice files. Although I've always said shmegma, 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.119 but I think smegma. Yeah, maybe I've just said shmegma 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.439 for humor sake. Maybe all right, that was around the 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.559 time Wayne's what was out, wasn't it properly? So that's 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.800 just one that's probably a pretty minor thing. I'm sure 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:12.079 that's easily corrected. Your foreskin, though, can also be well. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:17.000 It can develop two ways, too tight or too loose right, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:21.080 and each other problems. Too tight it can cause a 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.160 condition known as fimosis. It's like trying to put on 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.360 a sweater that's way too small for you. It's a 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.160 good way look at it, and that is a medical 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.520 that's the main medical determinant for whether or not you 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.320 should get a circumcision. Like the main medical reason would 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.480 be fimosis. I think that's probably because it's the most frequent. 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.960 It's probably the most frequent problem you think. I think, Okay, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.599 if it's too loose, then it's going to be called paraphimosis. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:49.680 And that's like wearing your dad's sweater. Yes, And it 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.640 can cause swelling of the glands in the foreskin. And 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:57.480 there's also something called balan posthesis, which is swelling of 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:02.120 the mucous surfaces of the foreskin, and that can lead 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:09.320 to skin disease, problems with the urethra, pain, all sorts 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:10.800 of things that you don't want to end this in general, 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.679 like why, God, why, I would imagine so you can 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.480 have your frenulum attached too tightly, that's the frenulum brevy 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.160 where it's just like that's like trying to poke your 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.960 head through that very very tight sweater. That's a good 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:25.959 way to look at it as well, Thank you, Chuck, 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.800 very evocative, Josh. And circumcision can help correct all of 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:37.160 these problems, but it is rarely medically necessary to get circumcised, right, 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:39.640 And like we said, these problems do exist, they are 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.560 serious problems. It's at the very least uncomfortable if not, 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.640 you know, downright dangerous. Sure, and I think both sides 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.120 agree that there are circumstances such as these that do 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:56.680 warrant circumcision. The problem is most circumcision. I'm sure the 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:04.440 vast majority of circumcisions are customary, cultural preventative, right, yeah, 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.760 sociological in nature. Let's talk about the origins of circumcision. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.920 When did humans get the idea to cut the foreskin 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.680 off of the boys penises? Well? Did it start with 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:17.720 the Bible? This is where tom started. But no, it 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.360 didn't start with the egypt As far back as we 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:24.199 can find the Egyptians, we're doing. Okay, that's what we understand. Okay, 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:25.840 Well you want to talk about that, Well, let's talk 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.679 about the Bible first, because in the Book of Genesis 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:33.600 God made a covenant with Abraham, and as we all know, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.680 Abraham was a Jewish patriarch and his descendants, Abraham was 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:44.440 the patriarch of the houses of the Jews and the Muslims. Dude, really, yes, Isaac, 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.480 his son went on to found the Jews, Well, went 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.520 on to found Judaism. He's the father of Judaism. Ishmael 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.880 the other son, illegitimate son, right, but he went on 0:12:54.960 --> 0:13:00.319 to found Islam. Yes and Isaac. They said, basically, God's 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:04.720 gonna bless Jews with riches and success all the you know, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.240 the land will be fruitful if you get circumcised by 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.600 your eighth day, Yes of life. And not just you, 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:17.439 but your sons. Yeah, any servants that you captured, any 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.840 sons that those captured servants has. All boys have to 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.959 be circumcised. And this has led to the fact that 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:28.720 today ninety eight percent of Jewish Men are in fact circumcised. Right. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:35.440 And according to biblical tradition, Ishmael was circumcised before he 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:40.200 was basically run off from Abraham's family, right, And so 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.760 that kind of formed the basis of the Muslim tradition 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:48.640 of circumcision, which continues today. If you look at Muslim texts, 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.200 the Qur'an, apparently it doesn't have any endorsement or mention 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:56.720 of precision, but most Muslims today still do circumcise because 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.840 Muhammad apparently was circumcised. So I guess it's a reverence 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:04.280 for their prophet. Yes, and today about two thirds of 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:09.079 every circumcised men on the planet are Muslim. So nine 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.640 percent of Jewish Men, yeah, and two thirds of muslim 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.720 in circumcised. Well, no, no, thirds of all men on 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:22.000 the planet are Muslim, exactly. That's a tough one, exactly. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:26.240 It's kind of an odd qualifier. Christian sects don't really 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.600 endorse one way or the other. They say, like, you know, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.520 decide amongst your selves and Buddhism and Hinduism, they don't 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.360 really have a stance one way or the other. Is 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.600 that right? That's right? And we talked about the Egyptians 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.800 probably being the earliest group as far as Western culture 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:47.120 is concerned. Like with most things, the Egyptians came up 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.600 with this idea, yeah, not necessarily independently, or if it 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.800 did independently, they weren't the only ones, but they apparently 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.520 were the ones who exposed the early Israelites, the early 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:04.440 Jews too, this concept, right. Yeah. And then at about 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.440 the same time, possibly even before other groups, the Mayans 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:13.520 and the Aztecs, Yeah, were both circumcising their boys indigenous Australians, 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:22.560 African Asian and other American tribes, right. Yeah. And Georgians, Yeah, 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.600 what is that that? I've never heard of them? The 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.440 coal Colchians, Yeah, I hadn't heard of them either, But 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.480 as described them, so there were ancient people that is 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.160 now modern day Georgia and they were into it. Yeah, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.000 well they practiced it and then so here in the West, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:42.400 I guess it was strictly religious until about the nineteenth century, right, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.160 and then all of a sudden, medicine is like, we 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.120 can do that. Well yeah, but that's also around the 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.920 same time that they were doing all sorts of things 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.800 saying that this could solve this and this, like we 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.000 can treat VD and we can cure homosexuality with circumcision, 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.720 and impotence was another one. Yeah, So they were a 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.840 little bit off base, I would say there, as in 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.880 way off base, I would think, so, yeah, but it 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.680 did it did have a lasting impression. The circumcision did 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.920 become associated with the medical establishment here in the West, 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.400 and that I think that's translated elsewhere. In the Jewish 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:25.440 faith a mohel mohole mole. Okay, they still perform bris 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:31.000 briss briss i brisom I. Just the only thing I 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.320 know about that is from Seinfeld when Jerry was supposed 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:39.760 to perform the snap. They they they may still perform 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.840 these procedures in the Arab world, in the Muslim world, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:50.280 that's it's generally done in the medical realm, right, and 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:56.320 then that's actually that was taken away from barbers in 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.000 ancient Turkey, and yeah, in Turkey, in the Middle East, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.400 the Middle Ages, barbers used to do amputations, blood lettings, sure, 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.919 and circumcisions. Blood lettings like give you a nice leading 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.879 and you'll be feeling better, get all the toxins out 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.320 of your blood. Let's talk about it around the globe, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:19.640 like how how it actually goes down like today? Yeah, 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.119 Like the Jews still still do it traditionally before the 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.160 eighth Day. They kind of stick to that, and Egypt 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.639 it's anywhere from birth to about eight years old, and 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.000 in Malaysia it's in other places it's like a rite 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:38.159 of passage like at early adolescens. Yeah, some and some 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.879 Muslim cultures, once a boy can recite the Quran right once, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.440 like all the way through, right, right, I mean think 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.439 about that, then think about it if you don't want 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.720 to get circumcised, you like, I remember, once a boy 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.880 can do that, that's associated with the time when he'll 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.000 be circumcised after that. And you didn't see there's some 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:03.720 really sad cute pictures in this article. Oh yeah, there's 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.000 a little boy who's clutching his genitalia under his hospital 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.040 gown and crying because he's like second in line to 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.720 be circumcised. There's a kid who's being circumcised on page zero. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.320 It's sad stuff. I'm glad I don't print the pictures out. Yeah, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.919 I don't want to see that. In Africa, Josh, it 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.040 is also in a lot of tribes a coming of 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.080 age type of thing. And here's the deal. In Africa, 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:30.040 though sometimes there's not in these remote areas a trained 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.000 professional with all the right equipment, and they do it anyway. 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:36.240 And because of this, there's like a thirty five percent 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:41.440 increased risk of complications, six percent severe complications that possibly 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.440 result in partial or full amputation of the penis. Yeah, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:52.159 but sometimes a traveling circumciser will roll through town in 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.399 his ice cream truck and everybody comes out and with 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.960 boys of all ages because they know the safe, real 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.840 doctor with the real clean equipment is there, and so 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.879 they'll bring out boys of all ages to get circumcised 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.480 when he rolls through. Yes, which it's a good thing 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:13.160 that happens. Asia, it's extremely rare unless they have thriving 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:18.600 Muslim populations. But in Asia, among Asian cultures, it's pretty uncommon, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.359 except Chuck. In South Korea and the Philippines, circumcision is 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.760 pretty common. Who knew the American serviceman knew? Yeah? Is 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.600 that the reason why? In Korea? Yes, and the Philippines. 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.760 American servicemen stationed there in the ladder half beginning in 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:39.280 the latter half of the twentieth century apparently got the 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.720 word leaked out that they were missing their prepuce, and 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:48.040 South Korean's and Filipinos started following suit. Alrighty, well, that's 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.960 circumcision around the globe today. If we forgot your country, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.960 then we apologize. Please rite in. Shall we talk about 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.160 the procedure itself? Yeah, as Tom put it. Next up, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.480 the big show is that he said, I didn't see 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.120 that part. There's some did you So you didn't see 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:09.400 the pictures? I had the illustrations like step by step illustration. Yeah, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.880 I didn't eat it. You had dotted lines like where 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.919 you clip out a coupon. They have these. I have 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:16.680 a pretty get idea what's going on down there, So 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.600 I didn't. I was just fine with the words. Uh 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.119 so what happens Josh is uh a baby? If it's 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.840 a baby in infant circumcision. Then they strap the baby 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.840 down of course arms and legs, which it just seems 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.240 like an awful thing. It's a bad start when you 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:36.040 read it. They give a either a topical anesthetic, uh 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:40.080 you know, rubbed around the area or injected around the 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:44.280 base of the penis to numb the area. There are 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.880 a few different devices that the person performing the procedure 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:49.720 can choose from, and I know you know a little 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.919 bit about these, I do. Let's hear it. There's like 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.399 three things. Well, there's the Gomco clamp, the Mgan clamp, 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.480 and the plastic bell device. Right, yeah, so I did. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.000 I didn't really look into the Mogan clamp because it 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:08.960 just too wow. But the Gomco clamp has been around 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.120 for a while and that sounds like something you would 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:13.840 see on a late night TV ad. You can actually 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:15.760 buy them on the internet for the two hundred and 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.439 thirty bucks. Yeah, search gomcoke clamp. It comes up, and 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:22.640 do not do not buy one and do this at home. 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.040 That is in no way an endorsement a coat clamp. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.639 Do any just stop stop right now there. The Gomco 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.280 clamp involves a bell with a an arm and appendage 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.760 that comes off the tip of the bell, put that in, 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.239 pull the foreskin up around the bell. So what you're 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.800 doing is you're inserting this metal layer between the glands 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.520 and the foreskin. Yeah, like all these things, you're separating 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.199 the foreskin from the glands exactly. That's pretty much the 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.159 key to circumcision. Sure, you pull it up around, you 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.160 slide it through this hole. It has an arm attached 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.679 to the top of the bell's holding everything taut, and 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.080 then you cut around it and remove the foreskin. The 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:07.960 plastic bell device is similar. It doesn't have the arm 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.240 and the clamp holding everything, but basically you're just you're 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:13.560 putting a bell in between the glands and the foreskin, 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:20.159 and then you basically tie off the suture around the 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.879 foreskin that's been pulled up right, and then you cut 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:27.520 that and then eventually, after like a few days, the 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:31.760 bell falls off and you're fine, supposedly well, And that's 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.480 about the recovery period period if you're an infant is 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.040 about three to four days. Plan on having a grumpy 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:41.520 little baby boy for those next few days, and plan 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.879 on keeping the area really really clean and maybe you 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.520 might even have to bandage it, and just you got 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:53.320 to make sure that you keep it separate from diaper 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.119 poo poo, because you don't want a fresh surgery being 0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.880 around fecal matter not a good thing. No, you're you're 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.000 looking at a pretty hefty, little horrible infection there too. 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.920 And it takes about thirty minutes. Yeah, if you're an adult, 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.200 you don't necessarily need to use any of these other 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:14.040 bells or whistles literally bells. But you can just pull 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.640 the foreskin forward, make a couple of incisions, cut off 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.920 the frenulum, stitch back. Basically you're stitching this hanging loose 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.600 skin to the just to the corona, which is the 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:30.720 strip just below the glands. Yeah, and bamm bada bing 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.600 no sex for a couple of weeks, which no one 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.440 should have to tell you that, but we're telling you that. Yeah, 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:38.159 that would be common sense. If you ask me, then 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.959 it's done. So why are people doing this, Chuck? I mean, 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.919 think about that, especially as an adult. Why are people 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:49.840 circumcising both their themselves and their infant sons. Why is 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.280 it like all the rage? So this is the argument for, 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.320 and we will cover the argument against before you get 0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.040 upset by Chuck Bryant. Mister Schofield. The reason some of 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:01.800 the reasons, Josh are are obviously, like we said, you're 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:04.040 raised in a religion or a culture where that's the 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:07.040 thing you do, then you would probably do that, right. 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:12.040 Some fathers think that their son's penis should kind of 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:17.480 be like theirs, and they're a little matter fact, nine 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:21.040 tenths of circumcised men opt to have their sons circumcised, 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.280 and about three quarters of uncircumcised men opt to have 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:29.760 their sons not circumcised. Yeah, it's about fifteen percent. Main natural. Interesting, Uh, 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:33.480 some parents want their sons to just be like the 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.400 rest of the little boys. If and if you live 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:38.240 in the United States and most boys are like that, 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:39.800 they don't want you to stand out in the locker 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:45.080 room and potentially be teased that kind of thing. This 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:50.000 one uncircumcised men or twice as likely to contract HPV 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:55.960 and pass that along here. And apparently circumcision also helps 0:24:56.200 --> 0:25:00.520