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Speaker 1: Are you welcome to stuff you should know from HowStuffWorks

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Speaker 1: dot Com? Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Joshua

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Speaker 1: m clark. With me is Charles W. Bryant that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff. You should nizzo and that's that. Hi. Hey,

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Speaker 1: josh m Clark, Joshua, Joshua m clark. Yes, you don't

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Speaker 1: have a fancy setup today, I have an intro. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's hear it. Okay, Wow, Chuck, you really kind of

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Speaker 1: get up against the wall, aren't you today? Are you

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Speaker 1: waiting on me a little bit? Okay? Are you ready?

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, Chuck. Josh Have you ever heard of Lloyd Schofield?

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Speaker 1: I have not? Yes, you have? You always do this?

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Speaker 1: Who is he? Uh? He is a guy out in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco who has proposed, Yes, next Novembers, I guess,

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Speaker 1: referendum elections. It wouldn't even be midterm. What do you

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Speaker 1: call the elections between midterm and you know, the big

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Speaker 1: one quarter term? I don't know. Okay, we'll call it that.

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Speaker 1: For next November's ballot in San Francisco, there may be

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Speaker 1: a referendum if Floyd Schofield has anything to do with

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Speaker 1: it that outright bans male circumcision in San Francisco. Well, yeah, obviously,

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Speaker 1: but you got to start somewhere. Yeah, Schofield needs seventy

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Speaker 1: one hundred signatures. Huh and basically read the read the provision, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: the wording of the proposed referendum, it would make it

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Speaker 1: a misdemeanor to circumcise, xcise, cut, or mutilate the genitals

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Speaker 1: of a person under eighteen, right, and he he says

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Speaker 1: it's genital mutilation. That's how he feels, and other people

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Speaker 1: feel that way too. Yeah, he's definitely not on his

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Speaker 1: own in that one. There's some people in this CBS

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Speaker 1: AP article they're like, it's a little too far. It

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Speaker 1: should be the choice of the parents, Schofield's idea, And

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Speaker 1: it's kind of it kind of appears in this in

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Speaker 1: the wording of the ballot measure that it's a parent's choice,

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Speaker 1: but it's not the choice of most people who are circumcised,

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Speaker 1: because they're generally circumcised as newborn infants. Yeah, little boys are.

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Speaker 1: And he likened it to tattooing because you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to tattoo a child. When did you start saying tattooed

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Speaker 1: like that? What do you mean? Tattoo? Is that weird? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little weird. It's like humans. Well that's what

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Speaker 1: to tattoo a child. And so he says it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing. Well, yeah, he's actually saying it's way way

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Speaker 1: worse than tattooing exactly. But he is saying it's a

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Speaker 1: long the same lines as a choice by the parents

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Speaker 1: that is possibly against the child's will later on. And

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Speaker 1: that's that. So let's talk about circumcision, because this is

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Speaker 1: a little that's an odd approach to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's circumcision out there. It's not weird, it's not odd.

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Speaker 1: But as you kind of get older, you realize that there's,

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Speaker 1: kind of is actually and you kind of come to realize,

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Speaker 1: like there's people out there who think that people who

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Speaker 1: that people who are circumcised? Are weird? Right? Exactly? Let's

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Speaker 1: do some stats, stat man, Well, I think the first

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Speaker 1: stat we should open with, perhaps, is that if you

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Speaker 1: past three decades, although that is falling big time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what was the three and five chance now in two

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Speaker 1: and Hispanics are much much less likely than any other

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Speaker 1: in the Midwest, there's about a seventy five percent chance

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Speaker 1: But ultimately there's about one point two million circumcisions. Well

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Speaker 1: And since you mentioned that, that at about two hundred

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Speaker 1: anti circumcision movement and medicaid. Yes, of course, So Chuck,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the penis. Let's talk about the foreskin.

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Speaker 1: That's part of it. We're gonna say the word penis

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Speaker 1: a whole lot ycause you can't avoid it when you're

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Speaker 1: and set up for our foreign friends who may not

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Speaker 1: know what circumcisi is. Like Roller Derby circumcision is when

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Speaker 1: the foreskin of the penis that's also called the prepuse,

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Speaker 1: connective tissue that works much like the connective tissue that

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Speaker 1: anchors the bottom of your tongue to the floor of

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Speaker 1: your mouth. Yes, call a frenulum, and that keeps the

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Speaker 1: natural moisture to lubricate the glands. It's hot and moist

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chuck. It also contains the prep use, also

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Speaker 1: have foreskins that actually retract during puberty. They go exactly

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Speaker 1: where maybe said trombone, and they do serve a protective purpose,

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Speaker 1: but they can also and for people that are on

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Speaker 1: both sides, we're going to present both sides of the

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Speaker 1: of course. But some one camp believes that it can

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Speaker 1: cause some problems. Well it can. I think everybody agrees

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Speaker 1: way to look at it as well, Thank you, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: very evocative, Josh. And circumcision can help correct all of

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Speaker 1: And like we said, these problems do exist, they are

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Speaker 1: you know, downright dangerous. Sure, and I think both sides

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Speaker 1: When did humans get the idea to cut the foreskin

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Speaker 1: can find the Egyptians, we're doing. Okay, that's what we understand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a perception, if I'm not mistaken. And then there are

418
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: some who just think it's prettier, yeah, better looking, sleeker,

419
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: All right, Josh, that's the case for generally. Let's talk

420
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: about people who are against this, like mister Schofield, what

421
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: are their arguments. Well, I get the impression that there's

422
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people who well, the people who are

423
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: against it are vehemently against it. One of the biggest

424
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: arguments is that it's mutilation. Yeah, general mutilation. It is

425
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 1: genital mutilation. Female circumcision, which we'll talk a little bit

426
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: more about in a minute, is basically considered now in

427
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: the Western world, the developed world, female genital mutilation, right,

428
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: not female circumcision any longer. And the one of the

429
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 1: big points among anti circumcision people is that this is

430
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: the same thing with ment. It's just for some reason

431
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: more accepted in the West than email circumcision is. Yeah,

432
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: but if you're against it, you probably think it's old

433
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: fashion and unnecessary. Unnecessary is a big one. Yeah. The

434
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: American Academy of Pediatrics considered this in nineteen ninety nine

435
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, we're not going to endorse this.

436
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: We're not going to come out against it, but we've

437
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: looked at all of the information. We see no medical

438
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: reason to do this, and we're not going to endorse it.

439
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 1: So that's that's a big one that the anti circumcision

440
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: lobby sites. Oh yeah, when I read that that they

441
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: didn't endorse it, or they said that you shouldn't do it.

442
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: This is such a tender subject. That kind of got

443
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: the impression they were a little bit like, I ain't

444
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: going there. Why don't you just decide? Right, Like, we

445
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of data either way, so we're

446
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: not going to say. I get the impression that it's

447
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: a lot like the natural birth movement. There's a lot

448
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: of probably similar sentiment, maybe a lot of crossover actually

449
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: between the two. Josh, there are risks of scarring, their

450
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: risks of infection. Yeah, this is a big one right here.

451
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: It can go wrong. Yeah, and it does like you

452
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: can have your penis lopped off because of a bad circumcision. Yeah,

453
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: that's a pretty good reason not to do it. I

454
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: don't think it's super common. It's very uncommon. Yeah, but

455
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: when you're talking about your your maybe you're only male son,

456
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 1: it can only be a male son, but your only son.

457
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to take that kind of risk? I

458
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: don't know yet. Well, yeah, sure, I don't know. Stop

459
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: pressuring me. No, I'm not pressuring you. I was just

460
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you. I'm just asking theoretically. But I

461
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: think that's probably the sentiment among a lot of like

462
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: first time parents, you know, like should we do this?

463
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about it before, and like, holdly, cow,

464
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: now we have to decide or do we Another argument

465
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: against is that you take away the child's right to choose.

466
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: There are there is a procedure called an epipasm, which

467
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: there's actually a surgical procedure, which is kind of a

468
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: skin graft. It is not always desirable. Sometimes you get

469
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: a different color, a different texture because this is someone

470
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: else's foreskin or else it's skin from elsewhere on your body.

471
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: It's probably from your body, I would say. And then

472
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: there's also like a non there's non surgical things you

473
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: can do too, right, Chuck, to to create a foreskin,

474
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: to recreate it. Yes, Josh, there are non surgical ways.

475
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: And I have never heard of this at all. I

476
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: hadn't either until I read this article. Over time, and

477
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: we're not recommending that you try this at home, by

478
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: the way, this is this is something you really need

479
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: to know a lot about. Over time, though, you can

480
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: apparently stretch your foreskin using weights and straps and it

481
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: will eventually stretch to where it could cover your glands.

482
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: That's what they say. There's another method that has involves

483
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: inflating little balloons under your skin, under your penile skin

484
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: prompt new skin cell growth. I guess, to fill in

485
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: the void, I guess. And then when you deflate the balloons,

486
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: You've got all that extra skin, right, and you go

487
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: to So that's an epipath. So yeah, the point is

488
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: one of the arguments against circumcisions that you take away

489
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: a kid's right to choose. And if you kid turns

490
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: like eighteen twenty one, thirty five fifty and goes, I

491
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: really want a foreskin, basically he doesn't have a lot

492
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: of options available to him balloons and weights and straps

493
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: and skin graphs and skin graphs. Yeah, so that's another reason.

494
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: What are some more reasons, Chuckers, Well, like we said

495
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: in the foreskin, there's a lot of sensitive areas for

496
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: sexual stimulation and that once you lose that, it's gone. Yeah,

497
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: so theoretically you're cutting down on the man's pleasure. Sinners

498
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: somewhat sure, and he wants to do that to your kid. Puritans,

499
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, they say, you know, like psychologists might

500
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: say that a child might remember this somehow, resulting in

501
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: lingering psychological repercussions. It's very Freudian sentence. Some people think

502
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: it's better looking to have the foreskin and prettier that way. Yeah,

503
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: I I would like to conduct a Paul. I don't

504
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: know how we could do this conceivably, but I would

505
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: like to I know, not and not and not get

506
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: in trouble, right, But I am curious, like where, like

507
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: which one is considered more attractive? I have no idea. Yeah,

508
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm very curious. Yeah, you know, like,

509
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: is it like do people think people who like foreskin

510
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: think those people are weird or vice versa, or I'm

511
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: very curious. This is all just I'm curious. Yeah, you've

512
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: been even fascinated by this whole thing, Huh. I have

513
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: from paid zero. Uh. And there are a couple more

514
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: reasons some men subconsciously might not feel complete, and then

515
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: the big reason you're born with it, So that might

516
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: mean that you should keep it on your body. Yeah, Like,

517
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: if we didn't need it, why would we have it?

518
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it have whether you whether you believe in creationism

519
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: or evolution, there's that. Both of those kind of touch

520
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: upon that. Yeah, we wouldn't have it if we didn't

521
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: need it, it didn't serve some purpose. Did you already

522
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: cover the language part? I think you'd mentioned that right

523
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. If you are talking to somebody who

524
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: is in the anti circumcision camp, you don't want to

525
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: use the term uncircumcised because it implies that there is

526
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: something wrong, that there's something missing, right, something hasn't been

527
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: done yet. That's not the norm, right, And so they

528
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: the people in the anti circumcision camp tend to prefer

529
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: terms like natural, uncut, full length, intact, intact. Yeah, yeah,

530
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: we'd be remiss, Josh, you did mention female general mutilation.

531
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: This is a big problem around the world. Between one

532
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: hundred and one hundred and forty million women have been

533
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: victims of this. A lot of times. There are I'm

534
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: sorry all the time. There's no medical reason for doing this, right,

535
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: Like they will remove the clitterists sometimes. Yeah, this actually

536
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: was kind of It came about in the West too.

537
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: It's still a huge problem in Africa. Apparently ninety two

538
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: million girls under the age of ten have undergone female

539
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: genital mutilation. And that's just Africa alone. But in the

540
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: West it was popular. I had no idea. But here

541
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 1: in the West, in the United States, really until nineteen

542
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: seventy seven, Blue Cross covered it. That's female. They covered clitterectomy,

543
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: clitter clittery, glitteridectomy, that's awful, glitteridectomy, which is the partial

544
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: total removal of the clitteris right. And this this fad

545
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: of circumcision came about at about the same time in

546
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: the nineteenth century and for the same reasons as male circumcision,

547
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: which has yet another argument against male circumcision, because we've

548
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: come to see female circumcision as barbaric, even though they

549
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: were both brought up for the same reason, which was

550
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: it's cleaner, it's more hygienic, it's it's healthier. And also

551
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: with girls, they had the added bonus of its reduces

552
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: their sexual pleasure from masturbation. Therefore it will it's much

553
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: more morally hygienic as well. This is one of the

554
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: reasons why it's become or come to be seen as barbaric,

555
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: because it actually does reduce tremendously the sensitivity a woman

556
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: can experience in sex. Right, There's a lot of other

557
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: problems with it too. There's a little procedure called infabulation

558
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: that basically is you cut the inner outer labia so

559
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: that it grows back to narrow or close the vagina.

560
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: And what's the idea here are they is it a

561
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: moral thing where they're trying to prevent their daughters from

562
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: being tempted to have sex or having sex. Yes, because

563
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: to to get this reversed, you to have children, to

564
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: have sex, to conceive, to do all these things basically

565
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: have to have the procedure reversed. Wow. And then in

566
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: some cultures that promote this, after childbirth, after the reproductive years,

567
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: it's closed up again. So not only are you undergoing

568
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: it this first time, you're having a reverse and then

569
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: you're having it done again. So it is a huge

570
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: problem and it is viewed as barbaric in the West,

571
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: and the World Health organizations come out starting in nineteen

572
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: ninety seven against this, and then I guess over the

573
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: ensuing decades really lobbied the rest of the UN and

574
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: got much wider support. In February two thousand and eight,

575
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: pretty much the entire UN issued this statement saying like

576
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: this has to stop. This is really bad. But it

577
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: still continues. It happens in the US, it happens in

578
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: Great Britain, and a lot of the minority African populations

579
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: that immigrate here immigrate here. It's a problem. Yeah, Well,

580
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: thank god for the WHO. In groups like UNICEF and

581
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: other human rights groups, we're trying to get the word

582
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: out on that too, right, But Chuck, we just urarrived.

583
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: I did a really kind of a hinky place. Like,

584
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: everybody agrees this is barbaric. One of the reasons why

585
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: is because it serves absolutely no medical reason whatsoever. No,

586
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: there's no medical purpose to it, right, It's all just

587
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: basically chastity. Right, So we all agree that that's barbaric.

588
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: If there's really no medical reason for male circumcision, isn't

589
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: the same thing? Is it barbaric? Yeah? Well, people against

590
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: it sure say it is, people like Scofield. Yeah, And

591
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: I'm not here to make a judgment either way because

592
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't have a sun at this point. But maybe

593
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: that day will come when I'm gonna have to make

594
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: that decision, and hopefully we put out at least some

595
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: facts and figures on both sides that point some stats. Yeah,

596
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: it's tricky. Well, if you want to know more about circumcision,

597
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and you want to see probably more illustrations of the

598
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: male reproductive organ than any other article on the site,

599
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: including cut here, do cut along the ditted line dots.

600
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: You can type circumcision into the search bar at how

601
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: stuff works dot com and that will bring all that

602
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: stuff up. It's an interesting article, right, yes, sir, since

603
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: I said handy, search bar, well, I said search bar

604
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: at least right, Yeah, it's time for a listener mail. Yes, Josh,

605
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I thought this might be appropriate. You asked for stories

606
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: about people who had their fingers cut off, and what

607
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: podcast was at one of them? Yes, one of the

608
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: podcasts one of the things we did. And so we

609
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: got a bunch of stories of people who have lost fingers,

610
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: and I picked out three fairly short ones to read.

611
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: The first one comes from Melanie from Minnesota. She did

612
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: not lose a finger, but her husband's uncle did. He's

613
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: doing some woodworking in his garage solid his thumb, index finger,

614
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: and part of his middle finger clean off while his

615
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: wife rushed him to the hospital. They were able to

616
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: reattach the thumb, but not his index finger. They were

617
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: never able to find the rest of his ring finger,

618
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: and they suspect that the dog ate it. Now he

619
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: now has a prosthetic index finger, which he likes to

620
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: remove and toss to people just to freak them out.

621
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: He was a musician before the accident. He's still able

622
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: to play the piano with his faux finger, wow, which

623
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. And he has a winter and summer version.

624
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: One is tan and one isn't no way Way. Well,

625
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Speaker 1: this next one is from Abby from Hamden, Connecticut. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I thought you might find this interesting. I am, in

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Speaker 1: fact missing two fingers, but I still have five fingers

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Speaker 1: on each hand. Awesome, Awesome, This one may win the prize.

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Speaker 1: The same is true for my mother and her grandmother.

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Speaker 1: We all have a slight genetic disorder called polydactylism m HM,

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Speaker 1: which is when you're born with extra pinkies. The extra

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Speaker 1: fingers were all cut off at birth because the bones

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Speaker 1: in them were not fully formed. So now we all

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Speaker 1: have little bumps on the sides of our hands that

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Speaker 1: were once pinkies. That's circumcision of fingers. It is I

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Speaker 1: kind of wish I had kept the little extra fingers

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Speaker 1: and that they were fully functional, because I would use

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Speaker 1: him to play impossible pieces of music. I told my

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Speaker 1: bio teacher about polydactylism in high school. She got very

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Speaker 1: excited and gave me extra credit. She gave her extra

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Speaker 1: credit for missing those fingers it's pretty cool. Or she

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Speaker 1: gave her extra credit for being born with two extra fingers,

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Speaker 1: or being brave enough to admit it in a classroom

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Speaker 1: sending yeah, all right. And this last one is from

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Speaker 1: James from Ohio, guys. I have a missing finger story

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Speaker 1: you might find disturbing or fascinating. In high school, my

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Speaker 1: shot class teacher always had these crazy stories about his

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Speaker 1: work in the industry field. In the industry field, and

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty wide field, And one day he had

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Speaker 1: a story to tell us about a man who was

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Speaker 1: unfortunate enough to lose some fingers. The story starts when

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Speaker 1: my shop teacher worked at a metal sheet shaping factory.

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Speaker 1: I bet you it was a lot of fingers in

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Speaker 1: one of those places. Sure, they make impossible curves on

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Speaker 1: metal that couldn't normally exist. Fellow worker decided to pull

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Speaker 1: an all nighter and attempt to work machinery with coherency. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the fingers of the worker were caught in the metal

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Speaker 1: working machine, pinched off, not cut, pinched off. My teacher

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Speaker 1: explained that it took about a half an hour to

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Speaker 1: find all the missing fingers and keep them cool and

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Speaker 1: a fridge until they were able to reattach them. It's

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Speaker 1: like the Machinist Christian vale Man. That movie was messed up,

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Speaker 1: Yes it was, so we got a lot more stories

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Speaker 1: and a lot. We're very detailed and more gruesome, so

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Speaker 1: we went with these because it were short and a

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Speaker 1: little lighter. Him interest you for that. That's very good.

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Speaker 1: That's all I got. If you have an email that

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Speaker 1: has absolutely nothing to do with that, we want to

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Speaker 1: hear about it. You should wrap it up, send it

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