1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Cubs b writers over at the Athletic Patrick, it is 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: time for a mailbag episode. The Cubs are struggling, the 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: offense is in a bit of a rut, and as 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: want to know what can be done? Why, yeah, yeah, yeah, 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: They're going to be up in arms. It's expected and 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: you have every right to be a little frustrated. And 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: we're going to start with a comment that was made 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: that has led to some frustration by fans, and I 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: think it's fair. Can you guys try to explain what 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: Carter meant by the twenty thirty two competing comment feels 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: like a frustrating explanation for Cubs fans at this current moment. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: This is from a see Rogers piece our buddy at ESPN, I, Patrick, 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: why don't you, Why don't you give your thoughts? I'm 16 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: going to find the exact quote unless you have it, 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: just so we can give it to We're being fair 18 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: to Carter here. 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: No, that's what I was just pulling up right now 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: as part of a longer quote, but I think what 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: Tyler is referring to here, I know it was frigerators. 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: We have a responsibility to the twenty twenty five Cubs, 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: but also the twenty thirty two Cubs. That's not always 24 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: popular in the moment, but it's decisions we have to make, 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: and that what he was talking about was just kind 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: of the discipline they showed at the trade deadline. I 27 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: think it was a great gap by Jesse and also 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: like props to Carter for just being honest and explaining 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: what the front office is thinking, like I don't want to, 30 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: you know, even if you don't disagree, even if you 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: don't agree with the entire sentiment, his candor is appreciated, 32 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: his willingness to explain their point of view. I think 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 2: there is something to that. I think twenty thirty two 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: was just so far out in the future, and also 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: like you don't really know how the team's going to perform, 36 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: like right after, you know, you explain something at a 37 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: time when the Cubs were kind of in that mix 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: for first place. I think it's just Carter was hired 39 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: from Cleveland in part because the Guardians are so disciplined 40 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 2: and transactional and value obsessed, and so Jed hired him 41 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: for those reasons, for his background, for his experience, for 42 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: his point of view. So Carter is being genuine when 43 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 2: he is saying that he is very organized, very kind 44 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 2: of in tune with their modeling system. And you may 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: not agree with that entire baseball worldview, but that was 46 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: the job he was hired to do. And I also 47 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: think Jen and Carter, while they have way more money 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: to spend than Cleveland, they don't have nearly as much 49 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: money as the Mets or Dodgers or Phillies, are kind 50 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: of gifted each year to go out and try to 51 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: win the World Series. And I think their mission from 52 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: ownership is to be competitive virtually every season, and now 53 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: that means more like being in the mix for a 54 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: Wild Carter Division title every year and eliminating these kind 55 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: of big dips. And you spy that they want a 56 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: consistently competitive team. Sustainability is what ownership wants. And I 57 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: also this is kind of how this front office looks 58 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: at the game. I'm a j preller in San Diego 59 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: has been obsessed with trying to win a World Series 60 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: for that city. In twenty sixteen, the Cubs had to 61 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: end that century and counting championship drought. That is not 62 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: really the state of play. It's not defending it, not 63 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: saying that's right or wrong. And that's just kind of 64 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: the place that Carter is coming from. That's kind of 65 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: the job that they've been hired to do. What do 66 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: you think so a good question? 67 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like this question. I think if he 68 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: had said something like we have to always keep you know, 69 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: we can't sacrifice our future for the present, it would 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: have been people would have been annoyed by it and 71 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: moved on. If he would have said, look, we're you know, 72 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: we're not trading Kate Horton and Matt Shaw in a 73 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: deal for a picture right now, people who had been 74 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: like I understand that this is this is kind of 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: like the Jerry Depoto. Our goal is to win whatever 76 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: it was like eighty game yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 77 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: fifty four percent. Like it's one of those comments where, 78 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: especially like you said, he didn't know that the team 79 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: was going to go in rut and it's so easy 80 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to grab a hold of this quote. I don't think 81 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: like this is not me defending the quote. I don't 82 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: think you should have said it like this, but I 83 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: understand what he's saying. It's just a it's just a 84 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: very specific way of saying we can't. We can't give 85 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: up the farm for one player that helps us right 86 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: now and is going to really sting us in the future. 87 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't don't know what Mackenzie Gore has 88 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: done in his latest start, but what he did right 89 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: after the break, fans would have lost their minds if 90 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: they traded like any anything of value for him. You 91 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: know that Kate Horton was off the table. That's a 92 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: crazy ask. They weren't going to get him. But I'm 93 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: just saying like it was going to cost a lot 94 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: to get someone like Mackenzie Gore, to get someone like 95 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: Joe Ryan, even Edward Cabrera. That's not to say that 96 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have been more aggressive or that something couldn't 97 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: have been done. I don't know, like these prices seemed 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: a little insane. I think it's less about the lack 99 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: of action and more about how you say these things. 100 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: Carter is very by the book when it comes to 101 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: value and and and not sacrificing the future and and 102 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: sticking to what the model says. You occasionally go outside 103 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: the lines you occasionally be aggressive. I think if if 104 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: you were going by what the model says, they wouldn't 105 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: have Kyle Tucker right now, like the value bait now 106 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: things like that, So so they can go like outside 107 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: of it. But it's you know, I I think he's 108 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: that voice that that kind of is there to remind 109 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: everyone like, well, this is this is how you should 110 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: look at it, Like value based analysis says this, Uh, 111 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: we shouldn't. We shouldn't be too aggressive on that side 112 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: of things that I I get, Like, I'm not going 113 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: to say fans shouldn't be frustrated by that. That's a 114 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: comment that fans and anyone that that that's watching this 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: team right now is every right to be frustrated by. 116 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: But you know, like I get where Carter is coming from, 117 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: and I just don't think he's going to change the 118 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: way he like this is this is a lot of 119 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: the way he thinks and the way he talks, and 120 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: and that's fine that like a lot of teams win 121 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: this way. We're gonna have a Brewer's question lately later. 122 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Like one percent, they think very similarly in a lot 123 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: of these things, they just are executing at a much 124 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: higher level. Right now than almost anyone. Let's go to 125 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: another question. I'd really like to see Nico hit one 126 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: or two every game. He's one of the only guys 127 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: hitting I know. Council stays status quo for the most part. 128 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: Why is that? Why does he not change things up? 129 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: I just want to say I disagree with that ending. 130 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: He's changed the lineup a ton like he like Nico 131 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: has hit hit lead off and and uh and not 132 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: every game obviously, and and Michael Busch wasn't hitting leadoff 133 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: all season. He's he's changed a ton like he's he's 134 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: moved be in half out of the lineup. He's moved 135 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: or out of down in the lineup. He's moved Danisy sponsor, 136 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: Dance b. Swanson down in the lineup. Uh He's, he's 137 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: share he's shaking things up a ton with the lineup. 138 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: There's this isn't a great like he's And now that 139 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: he has good bench player, a good bench playing Willie Castro, 140 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: he's playing him. Uh more. We'll see what he does 141 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: now that Miguel Amaya is back, how much time Miguel 142 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: Amaya gets, If that changes anything up? Uh, I don't. 143 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's fair to say. But let's 144 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about about what's his name? Do you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, 145 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: let's take it, talk about Nico Horner and let's do uh, 146 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: let's do that as our draft ging spotlight player. All right, 147 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: Nico Horner Patrick. I don't think there's any question that 148 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: Nico Horner is an incredibly important part of this team, 149 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and you know, really valuable part of this team. I 150 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: just want to give you quick, quick numbers, Okay, Like 151 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: I know not everybody loves numbers, and what have you 152 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: done for me lately? Matters a lot too, But it's 153 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: a one forty three way to runs great, A plus 154 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: against lefties ninety verse rightys three sixty eight. On base 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: percentage versus lefties three twenty seven versus rightis two things 156 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: here modern day baseball. You want on base percentage. You 157 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: want someone that can get on at the top. You 158 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: want one of your best hitters and all round hitters 159 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: at the number two hole. Niko Horner has even like 160 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: he slugs pretty well against against lefties, not a ton 161 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: of power one fifty nine. I so no power against righty's. 162 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't think you can put him in the two hole. 163 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: That's just like he's not a too, He's a two 164 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: hole hitter. In the eighties, they don't play that anymore, 165 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: like this isn't there's no there's no manager that does that, 166 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: that says move the ball, move the runner over, because 167 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: my fastest guy is in the leadoff spot and I 168 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: want him on third base as quickly as possible, and 169 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: then we're going to hit a fly ball and score 170 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: one run. It's not how baseball is played anymore. I 171 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: understand there's going to be some people that disagree with 172 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: that and say why why not. It's because the probabilities say, 173 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: you have a much better chance of scoring a lot 174 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: more runs if you don't play like that, and if 175 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: you have your best all round hitters at the highest 176 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: part of the lineup. Nico's a good hitter. He's a 177 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: contact guy, but he's not going to hit for power. 178 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: He just doesn't. 179 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 2: That's a good call. I hadn't thought of it until 180 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: you just mentioned it. But Nico would be the perfect 181 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties playing on astro turf in like a powder 182 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: blue uniform type of player. And I think we I 183 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: don't know if we take Nico for granted as much 184 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 2: as just it. Sometimes he gets a little bit overlooked, 185 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 2: but I was just kind of blown away looking up 186 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 2: on Baseball Reference from his first round in twenty eighteen. 187 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: He is number one player by War by far, almost 188 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: doubling the number two guy, Logan Gilbert, who's at ten 189 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: point nine Nico at nineteen point eight. WAR Just amazing 190 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: value for a guy picked number twenty four overall. And 191 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: I think in terms of kind of taking Nico for granted, 192 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: I think it's important to remember, like this is a 193 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: guy who kind of came off the couch in twenty nineteen, 194 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: was a part of, you know, kind of an almost 195 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: an end of an era there of like the Joe 196 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: Madden Cubs and Hobby and Chris Bryan and Anthony Rizzo. 197 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: And like he did not he did not take that 198 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 2: for granted. Like he did not think, oh Wow, I've arrived. 199 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: He's overcome some of those injury prone concerns to become 200 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: an extremely durable, valuable player, has continued to work on 201 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: his game to you know, become not only a quality 202 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: major league caliber shortstop, but a Gold Glove second baseman 203 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 2: and just someone who I think I remember when the 204 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: Cubs drafted Nico, it was this idea of you know, 205 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: we didn't want to fall in love with the whole 206 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: Stanford idea. You know that he had this great i Q, 207 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: but like you saw it on that that play against 208 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: the White Sox, the infield fly rule, just someone the 209 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: Cubs were absolutely right to build around, and that wasn't 210 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: always clear earlier in his career. But he has become 211 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: an absolute, you know, foundational piece for this team. 212 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's anything I say is not a criticism. This 213 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: is not a criticism of Nico. Like he's it's perfectly 214 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: fine at the leadoff spot against lefties. I just like, 215 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I think there's a level of frustration creeping in where 216 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: people just want to make change, Like he's, yes, he's 217 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: he's hitting, he's hitting decently well right now, but you 218 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: still like you just can't put him up there against 219 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: righty's every single time. I don't think that's the best move. 220 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: But you know, when when the teams struggling, your your 221 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: search for answers and get I get the idea of 222 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: like let's try this, maybe that'll work. 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With 248 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: offense struggling, is there any chance the Cubs call up 249 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: Owen Casey or moyses by Seros to try and light 250 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: a fire. I'm not going to rule it out, and 251 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a terrible idea. I will say this, 252 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: Look at Peek Armstrong's first month, two months in baseball 253 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: in the big leagues. Look at Matt Shaw's first month 254 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: in the big leagues. This isn't an automatic. This isn't 255 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: going to work automatically. Owen Casey's destroying the baseball at 256 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: Triple A biasteras has been doing that for a while now. 257 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: We saw Via Stairs' first call up at a bunch 258 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: of ground balls. You know, he got a huge hit 259 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: in his one game. Call his second game or second 260 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: call up for one game. I just don't think it's 261 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: an automatic like this this works. But along the lines 262 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: of the Nico question, like you know, you're at a 263 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: point where you just want to try something. I guess 264 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: we'll see it, will see how long they go with 265 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: three catchers. I think that's something I'd like to see. 266 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: How long are they doing this? And then and then 267 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: if they change that, maybe the decision is Casey or 268 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: by a Seros, and maybe maybe they wait till September. 269 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I do I do agree that, Hey, 270 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you do something. I don't think it it 271 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: would be a disaster. 272 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, council acknowledge there was an internal debate 273 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: when they brought up by Asteros to Milwaukee, like should 274 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: it be Casey instead? So I'd imagine that debate hasn't 275 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: totally ended yet. You're right, like September there's an extra 276 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: position player no matter what. So that is would be 277 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: one way to incorporate one of those guys. I'd say, like, 278 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: there's definitely a chance, right. I feel like you can't 279 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: rule out that idea, But you also have to have 280 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: realistic expectations. And what you mentioned seht Of is exactly 281 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: what your council has stressed in general. He had that 282 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 2: great quote. I feel like last year, I think it 283 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: was something like the answers are rarely in triple a 284 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: that if you're kind of hoping for that, the player 285 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: would have already been here by now. But yeah, I mean, 286 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 2: if it keeps rolling this way, a player gets injured 287 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: or players banged up, and all of a sudden it 288 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: makes sense, like why not for certain situational matchups. I 289 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: think they're pretty close to that point. 290 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: All right, here's a question. This is from Tyler again, 291 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: Tyler Dershall, with ghosts of offensive struggles passed wearing their 292 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: ugly head again, where does the blame lie the players 293 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: the team is built around, or the front office's idea 294 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: of how they want to build a team. I mean, 295 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: I think you could make that excuse. It could blame 296 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: the front office last year. I don't know, Like strictly 297 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: speaking on the offense, I just don't think you can 298 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: blame the front office right now. They they got the players. 299 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: These players are good. There's we've seen them do really well. 300 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't really know what the answer is. 301 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: Should the front office have picked Isaac Collins over Pete Armstrong? 302 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: Should they have traded Michael Bush and picked up Andrew Vaughn? 303 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Like these are not things that any rational person would 304 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: suggest before seeing what those players have done, So I 305 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: don't like, I just don't know what the is and how. Yes, 306 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm picking on the Brewers because the Brewers are the 307 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: the team that's lighting the league on fire, But like, 308 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: who do you want other than the players that they've picked? 309 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: What should they have done differently? I guess if there's 310 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: one area that you really want to pick on, it's 311 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: it's It could be they shouldn't have signed Dansby Swanson. 312 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: That's just one player like that. This is a full 313 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: team and suddenly everyone's not hitting outside of like two guys. 314 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: So I don't think this is on the front office. 315 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: I think and I majority of the time I'm going 316 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: to default to it's on the players. The players need 317 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: to produce. Yes, the front office pick those players, but 318 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: these are good players. We've seen them, We've seen them 319 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: play at a high level. I don't have a good 320 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: answer of why they're all struggling right now, but I 321 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: just think it goes on them. They need to get 322 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: they need to get going. 323 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with you, this is all on 324 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: the players. Like there are certain times the front office 325 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: is not blameless. I don't think we're like celebrating what 326 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: the front office did at the trade deadline, for example, 327 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: but like Matt Shaw for most of the season, was 328 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: that sort of weaker link, and it was at a 329 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: spot third base where Cubs have had trouble filling the 330 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: position recently, and he was there. You kind of homegrown 331 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 2: first round pick that they believed in and that is 332 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: now looking pretty good that they've been validated by Matt 333 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: Shaw's performance. So then you look out at the rest 334 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: of this lineup, like, yeah, it's on the players. Like 335 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: if Kyle Tucker is going to be the number one 336 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 2: free agent this winter, like he has to perform if 337 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: you have a rental player for like six months, six 338 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: seven months, like he has to deliver the most important 339 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: time of the year. You know, Dansby Swanson is not 340 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: he runs hot and cold. I still think when you 341 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: look back at that shortstop class, he probably made the 342 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: most sense for this team, and his defense has been 343 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: awesome and he'll probably stay at short stop to longus. 344 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: I know, he just had a bad defensive game, but 345 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: over the long haul makes sense. I mean, you know, 346 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: Ian Happ and Nico Horner were two extensions that they 347 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: sort of did at this time where they were kind 348 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: of in between and they just wanted, like some players 349 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: to build around some you know, competence, some stability, and 350 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: they've largely delivered. I mean, Hap needs to kind of 351 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: He's been kind of the one guy where you're like, 352 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: he winds up with the same numbers like every single year, 353 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: Like he's gonna have to have a strong finish and 354 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: then like you know, say, I was like, oh he 355 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: was an All Star snub, and you know he's kind 356 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 2: of been been pretty quiet since then. So to me, 357 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: this is definitely like it's the guys with the bats 358 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: in their hands. 359 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break and we'll 360 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: wrap this up with a couple more questions. 361 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 5: Kratz tell everyone why they need to look into a 362 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 5: virtual private network aka a VPN. 363 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: That's kind of like wearing trousers. It keeps everything private 364 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: and secure whenever you venture out. That's good. That's really good. 365 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 5: And surf Shark creates user friendly privacy and security solutions 366 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 5: to protect your data and your privacy online. 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Yeah, he's not slugging, 384 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: he's se So is it Should it be a permanent 385 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: move if he starts to hit homers again? No, but 386 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 1: I kind of love this idea. He's walking a ton 387 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 1: just continue to be like, don't don't overthink it. It 388 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: doesn't put as much pressure on him, Like it changes 389 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: the dynamic of the lineup in it and it makes him, 390 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, come up less often in all likelihood with 391 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: men on base. But I don't hate the idea. He's 392 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: really struggling to hit for power right now, as long 393 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: as it doesn't change his mentality, I mean, his his 394 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: approach seems to be pretty sound. He's not chasing or 395 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: doing anything awful up there, He's just not hitting his pitch. 396 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: I kind of love this idea. I think I think 397 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: it's a good idea. 398 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, MJ could be like a special assistant or something. 399 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: When you know the computers tell them where to hit, 400 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, MJ could give a good suggestion there. Yeah. 401 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 2: Plus Tucker's a really nice base runner as well. Like 402 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: I think it, you know, as a way to just 403 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: start something, try something different, like why not. I certainly 404 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: don't like the idea of dropping Tucker in the lineup. 405 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: I still think his track record is such that you 406 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: want to get him as many at bats as possible, 407 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: And if this is a different way to approach it, 408 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 2: just temporarily, I don't really see the harm in it. 409 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Yep, I like the idea. I'm curious, like, I don't 410 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: know if Counsel will do this, but I think it'd 411 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: be kind of I think it'd be kind of interesting. 412 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a bad idea. All right, 413 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: here's a question from Haley. I've been hearing during this 414 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: diretch that the Brewers are an excellently run organization and 415 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: the proof is obvious. But do they do but what 416 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: do they do differently that makes them so exceptional? Yeah, 417 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: that's that's hard to nail down as far as exactly 418 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: what they do. I think it is across the organization. 419 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: It's not they just do this really well. Something that 420 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: they preach is they know the type of player that 421 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: they like, They know who fits into what they do, 422 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: and they only bring in those types of players. I 423 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly what's that, what that means, but 424 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: maybe it's just like, you know, you gotta you gotta 425 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: do all the little things, you gotta stick with how 426 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: we go about business, all that stuff, and then you 427 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: got to fit into our culture in our clubhouse. That's 428 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: kind of a nebulous concept though, Like what what are 429 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: they great at there? They identify, undervalue talent really well. 430 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: They they They're willing to make unpopular decisions. Trading Devin Williams, 431 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: trading Josh Hater, Uh trading Corbyn Burns, not resigning fan 432 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: favorites like Willia Damas. Uh. The team's gonna look different, 433 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: pretty different every year, and somehow they're able to continue 434 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 1: to have success. So that's that that goes to you know, 435 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: they're they they know they they're just the latest small 436 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: market team that's nailing every decision. I don't know, like 437 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: we were celebrating Tampa a few years ago for the 438 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: same thing Cleveland as well. I don't know if this 439 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: goes in cycles. I don't know if Milwaukee has figured 440 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: something out and they have the secret sauce. Remember we 441 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: talked about the secret sauce when when Jed hired Carter. 442 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean maybe he should have hired Matt Arnold. I 443 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, Like, clearly they're they're really well run. Clearly, 444 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: there's they do things. I think I think it's R 445 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: and D pro scouting, UH, player development, you know, Uh, 446 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: their training, their their managers, their coaches there, you know, 447 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: all of it is really sound and and and they 448 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: they bring in the right people in every facet of 449 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: the organization. And and they clearly I think this took 450 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: a little while to build and they have it running 451 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: like a well oiled machine. Like how how long ago 452 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: was David Sterns hired, Like twelve years ago, fourteen years ago, 453 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: So it takes a little while to implement these systems 454 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: in place. But about nine years ago it started to 455 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: really click and it's only gotten better since. And I 456 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: think it's it's like running really well right now. And 457 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what you're seeing, like they 458 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: built something and it's now in its final form. 459 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: I think you can even go back to like Doug Melvin, 460 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 2: you know, and him training for CC Sabathia and kind 461 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: of what he had built there, And I think it 462 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: just speaks to a larger like I don't even know 463 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: if it's a succession plan in certain cases or as 464 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: much as just like really just building and grooming good 465 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: people so that when David Serns leave, when Craig Council leaves, 466 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 2: that there's someone else to step in. I'm sure the 467 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: Cubs would point to it helps to have extra draft picks, yeah, 468 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: not just the extra picks, but the extra money. But 469 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: certainly the Brewers have done like a good enough job 470 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: and identifying some position players at the top of the draft. 471 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: They have those kind of anchor players in Yelich and 472 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: contrarists that were acquired via trades that were not like 473 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: super obvious trades. You know at the time that you think, oh, 474 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 2: these guys are going to be like franchise pillars. Certainly 475 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: a willingness to make those difficult decisions. And I also 476 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: this is more of a vibes thing that it's hard 477 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: to quantify, but it seems like players like playing in Milwaukee. 478 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: I think it's kind of a relaxed environment, but also 479 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: a competitive environment. I think at the ownership level, they 480 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: did not say like it's okay to tank for like 481 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: ten years, like they try every year, even though their 482 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: moves don't always reflect that. There just has not been 483 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: this like we're just going to like disappear for eight 484 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 2: years and but we're gonna be really good in twenty 485 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 2: thirty two, just to throw a random year out there, 486 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: like and even like smaller things like you see players 487 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: go back to work there. I think of Carlosville and Vianueva, 488 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: a guy that we covered in Chicago who could do 489 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: a lot of different things in this game, went back 490 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: to Milwaukee. You look at kind of their their coaching staff, 491 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: guys they've brought back, even they had like an alumni 492 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: just seeing it on social media, like an alumni home 493 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: run derby that all these guys came back to, like 494 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: you know, Miller Park American Family Field, Like with the 495 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: roof their facilities, it's like a pretty it seems like 496 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 2: a comfortable place to play, like an easy place to play. 497 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 2: I'm just talking about not just pressure, but just like 498 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 2: the way it's set up. And then even like the 499 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 2: coaching churn. I mean, Derek Johnson was a well regarding 500 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: pitch coach for the Brewers and like he left and 501 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: goes to Cincinnati. He's done a nice job there, but 502 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 2: like the Brewers have just that next man up mentality, 503 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 2: whether it's the front office, the dugout, the coaching staff. 504 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: I think the Cubs just have to assume the Brewers 505 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 2: are going to win ninety games every single year for 506 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. Like you just can't can't take it, 507 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 2: take it for granted. I think it's you would think 508 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: that would push the Cubs a little more, Like that's 509 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: what that was kind of my conventional wisdom at the 510 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: trade and like, oh, well, the Brewers are good, so 511 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: the Cubs might like push in a little more and 512 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 2: they didn't. And honestly, like part of the reason the Brewers, 513 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: very small reason is that the Cubs have not been 514 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 2: like exceptionally run every single year you during this time. 515 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: I think that's just like they've taken advantage of times 516 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: when the Cubs have sort of receded. 517 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that and and you mentioned the draft picks 518 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: that that's supposed to be their advantage. The Cubs don't 519 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: have that advantage, so you can't run them like like 520 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: the Brewers or Cleveland or Tampa Bay. Uh, you need 521 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: to fully lean into your financial advantage. And they while 522 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: they while they use it to a degree, they don't 523 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,959 Speaker 1: fully lean into it. And we've talked about this plenty 524 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: one other thing I do wonder about this, do you, 525 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: like Jesse Rogers brought this up just in passing talking 526 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: about how maybe there's a is there a mental letdown 527 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: after the deadline for the Cubs and and that was 528 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: and he's like, there isn't one for the Brewers because 529 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: they don't have those high expectations to do anything. And 530 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,959 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, is that just the case like have 531 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: when you come to that organization, do you kind of 532 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: know like we're not going to spend big. If we 533 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: have a bad offseason, that's fine. We know what to do. 534 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: It's a you know, we're going to find ways to win. 535 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: We will find will mine the you know, non roster 536 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: invites for for optional talent. We'll get Isaac Collins out 537 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: of the Rule five triple A draft. Things like that. 538 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Is there a mental aspect to being 539 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: a Brewer that kind of allows it allows you to 540 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: not be disappointed, and by not being disappointed, you're playing free. 541 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: That's impossible to measure. I don't know if that's real, 542 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: but I just thought when when Jesse said that, I 543 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: was like, do you think so? And now that the 544 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: way the teams have played, you know, I'm totally going 545 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: off recency bias here and what's happened in the past 546 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: ten days. But it does seem it does seem like 547 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: it was just an interesting thought that that I wanted 548 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: to pass along. I don't know, like they they're they're 549 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: clearly a well run organization. They're clearly doing something exceptional, 550 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: and they deserve a ton of credit for it. I 551 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,719 Speaker 1: don't care about the lucky bounces that they've gotten. You 552 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: don't win eight plus games in a row. Three times 553 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: in a season by luck. You need some luck to 554 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: be good in baseball. That's baseball. Baseball has a lot 555 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: of luck involved in it. You know, like a ball 556 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: hit a few feet to the left or right can 557 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: go from out to a double. That's just the way 558 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: baseball is. So like to say, you know, that's fine 559 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: that you need luck to win, and they're getting it. 560 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: But they're also creating their luck and they're really good, 561 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: So kudos to them. Cubs fans don't want to hear that. 562 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: They don't want to give them kudos, so I'll stop 563 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: praising the Brewers. The Cubs need to get back on track, 564 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: that's obvious. They need to get hot. They need to 565 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: make sure they lock in and really locked down that 566 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 1: wild card spot. So we're not having September conversations about 567 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: a different type of collapse because the division is looking 568 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: rough right now. We'll see where they are well this 569 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 1: week by week. This is how I think you got 570 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: to take a game by They say game by game, 571 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want to see where they are like 572 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: a week from now, because they really need I want 573 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: to see some signs of life, and I think everyone 574 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: would start to feel better about things all right, Thanks 575 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: so much for listening everyone. Thanks for sending you your questions. 576 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. 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