Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days
Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard
Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer
Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.
Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone.
Speaker 1: This week we're gonna be talking about October mule deer.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's one of the hardest times to
Speaker 1: hunt mulder out west. Why is that because the tactics
Speaker 1: seem to always contradict themselves. It's at time when the
Speaker 1: mule deer vanish and disappear between being bachelored up in
Speaker 1: the rut. They just ghost you. They're hard and difficult
Speaker 1: to hunt. So if you were to ask me, well,
Speaker 1: are the dear high or low? Honestly the answers both.
Speaker 1: And if you said should I focus on cover or
Speaker 1: the open, once again both Should you glass or bush stock?
Speaker 1: The answers both. So this week we're gonna even odds
Speaker 1: on October mule deer by sharing this now open secret
Speaker 1: of using contradictory tactics that effectively put you in a
Speaker 1: terribly good position for success. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: I want to share the most successful unsuccessful hunt I've
Speaker 1: had for October mule deer. Now, this hunt took place
Speaker 1: last season. It was on over the counter meal your
Speaker 1: Tag during the middle of October. The reason a lot
Speaker 1: of those over the counter tags are during October is
Speaker 1: because it's difficult to find dear, so game managers know
Speaker 1: they aren't gonna all get shot out because there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of people that don't even see bucks
Speaker 1: or something that they're allowed to shoot. Now, on this
Speaker 1: particular hunt, I had my dad and my at the
Speaker 1: time pregnant wife joining me. We decided to go. We
Speaker 1: we had a kind of like a long weekend that
Speaker 1: we were going to go and do just a fun
Speaker 1: hunt together. It was kind of planned as like, I mean,
Speaker 1: some hunts you're like thinking, or at least me, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm here to find the biggest best dear I can,
Speaker 1: or other hunts I'm like, I'm gonna go deep and
Speaker 1: just hunt it hard for a week and this is
Speaker 1: this is But this hunt, it was just kind of
Speaker 1: like I wanted to get out. I wanted to hunt
Speaker 1: with my dad, hunt with my wife, and if we
Speaker 1: saw some deer, great, We're just there to have a
Speaker 1: good time, and I think that there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: always a lot of different reasons why we're out hunting,
Speaker 1: but we weren't going to be super picky. It's mostly
Speaker 1: about having a fun camp, enjoying the experience together, and
Speaker 1: getting out. So with that mindset, I found a pretty
Speaker 1: sweet camp spot. Um this place, there's actually some hot
Speaker 1: springs around, so I was like, Oh, let's camp where
Speaker 1: the hot springs are. We can we can then kind
Speaker 1: of like hot tub in the evening and hunt during
Speaker 1: the day. So we we we set out for just
Speaker 1: a couple days, go in there, get the tent set up,
Speaker 1: and uh, of course a big storm rolls in, which
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is gonna be good. But the
Speaker 1: area we were hunting pretty low deer densities. I'd hunted
Speaker 1: in there before, and I actually I hunted pretty hard.
Speaker 1: I did shoot a really big buck, but I m
Speaker 1: also didn't see a lot of deer, so I knew
Speaker 1: that that was a possibility, and I even though I
Speaker 1: had a tag, I was like pretty much thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm up to bat last. So I really wanted to
Speaker 1: get my dad or my wife a deer. So we
Speaker 1: end up starting out going into some of that, checking
Speaker 1: a few of the areas where I had seen deer before,
Speaker 1: and so we hike up in there first day and
Speaker 1: you just getting into the zone like getting back in
Speaker 1: their wife did, I mean, actually my entire wife's pregnancy.
Speaker 1: She was like a hiking beast. I think, like, I
Speaker 1: don't even know how many months in she had a
Speaker 1: deer hunt, lasted essentially a nan just getting after it.
Speaker 1: But she can just she can always hike. I don't know,
Speaker 1: She's probably better hiker than me. And my dad's in
Speaker 1: great shape. So we decided to just go pretty much
Speaker 1: straight up the mountain, get into the zone pretty quick
Speaker 1: in an area where it was kind of on the
Speaker 1: edge of a burn and and some timbered stuff, and
Speaker 1: it just looked so good, and I'm thinking, man, this
Speaker 1: is this is the spot. My wife and I scouted
Speaker 1: it early season. We went in there in the spring,
Speaker 1: we went in there in the summer. We were just
Speaker 1: it was loaded with deer. So we get in there
Speaker 1: and start glassing, hunting and just not turning anything up.
Speaker 1: No no animals. We see a little bit of fresh
Speaker 1: sign saw ilk um. There's actually the elk season was
Speaker 1: open as well, but we didn't have elk tags and
Speaker 1: just no deer. Doing everything we know that's right, glassing
Speaker 1: looking kind of covering ridges. So what we're doing, we're
Speaker 1: just we're moving down some of these ridges in the burn,
Speaker 1: glassing into different basins. It was overcast that day and
Speaker 1: just not turning up any deer. So and I think
Speaker 1: that first day we saw one white tailed dough and
Speaker 1: that was it, just glassing it like down in the bottom. So, uh,
Speaker 1: the second day we go out a different spot, I
Speaker 1: way back into this perfect base and get set up glassing.
Speaker 1: Everything's good, is actually snowing, the snow clears. It's like,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best opportunity you would ever have
Speaker 1: to find an October milier. That weather is popping off.
Speaker 1: They're going to come out and feed, and we're in
Speaker 1: the zone. We're on the edge of the thick timber,
Speaker 1: a little bit open where they can feed. We're doing
Speaker 1: everything right and just could not, for the life of us,
Speaker 1: turn up a deer, started a little fire, roasted up
Speaker 1: some sandwiches, and uh, one thing we were just we're
Speaker 1: just having a good time together. It was it was
Speaker 1: everything we wanted and the only thing thing we needed
Speaker 1: was to add to pepper and some deer. And it
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, great area. You know, I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: any bucks, I hadn't seen any deer. So the next
Speaker 1: day was our last day, and like, all right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go back to this other area and see what
Speaker 1: we can find. It's just one of those things you're thinking, man,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything, but I know the deer here.
Speaker 1: So we switch up tactics. We're going into place we
Speaker 1: can glass. We decided now we're going to go into
Speaker 1: places where you can't class, those really thick pockets where
Speaker 1: the deer should be bedded and hanging right on the
Speaker 1: edge of actually a place where I had gotten into
Speaker 1: some deer a couple of years earlier. So we go
Speaker 1: in there and on the way up like a hundred
Speaker 1: and I would say, two yards off the trail and
Speaker 1: something catches my eye. I look and there's a bedded
Speaker 1: meal dear dough and she blended in so good just
Speaker 1: watching us walk by. And that was immediately clicking my brain, going,
Speaker 1: this is why we aren't seeing them. They're just bedded tight,
Speaker 1: like they aren't moving around. They're they're in these little
Speaker 1: pockets and they don't want to be seen for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: They are tucked in tight. So we're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is what we're looking for. We finally found the target animal.
Speaker 1: Now we just got to find a buck. So my
Speaker 1: dad and I go up keep cruising up to the
Speaker 1: top and we get to the top and it's like
Speaker 1: this flat, little basin kind of thing, and it's just
Speaker 1: thick and there's a little bit of burning there, but
Speaker 1: it's mostly just timber. So we just start bush stalking
Speaker 1: through it, get the wind right and checking all these
Speaker 1: little benches and just similar places to where we had
Speaker 1: seen that dough and just every little pocket moving over
Speaker 1: going glassing it than even just glassing close. So we
Speaker 1: get up to the tops of the evening what would
Speaker 1: be our last day of this long weekend, and just um,
Speaker 1: we're glassing this, like just walking and glassing in front
Speaker 1: of us, probably three yards and most you can see.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, my dad goes buck, like what okay.
Speaker 1: We get down and sure enough it's just an antler
Speaker 1: tip in an ear of a buck on this ridge,
Speaker 1: bedded up. And this is the evening, like when you'd
Speaker 1: expect dear to be walking around. So they're like, all right, man,
Speaker 1: this is it. Get my dad set up and there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of brush in the way, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right. I helped him dial up a scope three
Speaker 1: yards and we're like, he's betted. But all you can
Speaker 1: see at the top of the deer. So I was thinking, well,
Speaker 1: we could try to get him to stand here, but
Speaker 1: it's shooting through a lot of stuff. So I screwed
Speaker 1: over and I've got a clear view. And at this
Speaker 1: point I think the deer had heard something because he's
Speaker 1: now pretty alert on us. I'm like, all right, keep
Speaker 1: on him, let's keep watching him. And then we decide
Speaker 1: how we don't have a good shot here, so my
Speaker 1: my dad crawl up just a little bit and move over.
Speaker 1: I think you'll have a good Like where I was sitting,
Speaker 1: I could have shot him in his bed, and then
Speaker 1: in that way if you stood up to I think
Speaker 1: you'd have a clear shot. Everything is good. So my
Speaker 1: dad grabs his stuff. This buck was so keyed in,
Speaker 1: I mean we were we dropped their packs everything. He
Speaker 1: grabs his pack to move that buck gets up on
Speaker 1: a dead run away from us. It was such a
Speaker 1: heartbreaker because you know, we hiked a lot. We put
Speaker 1: in some time. I mean not a lot of time,
Speaker 1: but a long weekend the time that we had. And
Speaker 1: here's the one buck that we find in the deep
Speaker 1: timber and he just blows out as fast as you
Speaker 1: can be and we think to ourselves, this is why
Speaker 1: October deer hunting can be so difficult. But we went
Speaker 1: back that night, got in the hot spring, had a
Speaker 1: great meal. I cooked up a elk tenderloin, some some
Speaker 1: tamali's that a friend had made over the fire, and
Speaker 1: it was just one of those like hunts that even
Speaker 1: though we came away with nothing, we remembered one how
Speaker 1: difficult it is to we got to enjoy the company
Speaker 1: of each other and just a hunt that That was
Speaker 1: the first time my wife, my dad and I it
Speaker 1: hunted together like that, and it kind of reminded me
Speaker 1: of just those those hunts growing up as a kid,
Speaker 1: when we join up with family or whatever and be
Speaker 1: able to get out. It was just a cool experience
Speaker 1: because hey, we had a tag in our pocket and
Speaker 1: there's definitely an opportunity. We weren't successful, but I would
Speaker 1: say that the trip overall was a successful venture. And
Speaker 1: you might be thinking, well, that was a story. Why
Speaker 1: did you share an unsuccessful story of October meal you're
Speaker 1: hunting when you're teaching us how to be successful. And
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason I want to share
Speaker 1: this story is because one it contradicts, uh, some of
Speaker 1: the things I'm talking about contradictory tactics, and you'll understand
Speaker 1: it here in a minute. But the other thing is
Speaker 1: October meal that you're hunting can be tough. Now, I've
Speaker 1: found over the years through guiding, I mean, I've cut
Speaker 1: my teeth chasing deer this time of year when they're
Speaker 1: pretty much non existent in general type areas, and we've
Speaker 1: found some giant deer. I mean we've taken hundred ninety
Speaker 1: in type deer in general tags that have low densities
Speaker 1: and and not a lot of um, not a lot
Speaker 1: of big deer, you know. Over the years, I've I've
Speaker 1: found a lot of success, and a lot of that
Speaker 1: success is using these tactics that um kind of seam
Speaker 1: opposite yet work together. When you're talking about October mule here,
Speaker 1: I think we've got to first understand deer or at
Speaker 1: least bucks as a whole and kind of what they
Speaker 1: go through and why this October season seems to be
Speaker 1: the most difficult season to find them. So if you
Speaker 1: think about the growth cycle of of deer, they shed
Speaker 1: their antlers in the winter and then they start regrowing
Speaker 1: in the spring. Now, in order for a buck to
Speaker 1: regrow his antlers, it takes about the same amount of
Speaker 1: energy as a doe creating a fawn. So they're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of energy that they need to
Speaker 1: grow that rack. And while they're growing, their social structure
Speaker 1: is a little bit different. They're out in the open,
Speaker 1: they're feeding more. So that's why, like during the spring
Speaker 1: and through the summer, you tend to find mulder in
Speaker 1: certain types of habits at areas with lots of feed
Speaker 1: out in the open, and they tend to bachelor up
Speaker 1: because all those bucks are kind of doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: So they find this like safety in numbers game where
Speaker 1: they're in velvet. Their antlers are soft, they don't want
Speaker 1: to be going through so much brush and cover, and
Speaker 1: they also just need a lot of food. Most food,
Speaker 1: a lot of good brows is in those fringe areas
Speaker 1: of that more open kind of country, and then they've
Speaker 1: got some cover where they can get out of the sun.
Speaker 1: Now another thing to think about is it's hot, So
Speaker 1: they're generally in the summer up higher in those higher elevations.
Speaker 1: Not every area lends itself to like that alpine, but
Speaker 1: when you think of classic mule deer in velvet, you
Speaker 1: think of bachelor groups up in the alpine because they've
Speaker 1: got food, they've got safety, they've got kind of their
Speaker 1: whole pattern that they do, and it's all designed to
Speaker 1: kind of grow those antlers. Now we fast forward a
Speaker 1: little bit longer and they start to shed that velvet.
Speaker 1: They ripped velvet off, and then what happens well that
Speaker 1: that early September season they kind of stay together in
Speaker 1: those bachelor groups, but they've got their their antler's shed
Speaker 1: and they spend a little less time out in the open.
Speaker 1: It's like they're they're now don't need as much food,
Speaker 1: but they're still kind of used to, like, hey, summer
Speaker 1: was going, it was cool. Then as they kind of
Speaker 1: get into this October season, what starts to happen is
Speaker 1: those bachelor bucks start to split off for a couple
Speaker 1: of reasons. One, it's like they no longer need that
Speaker 1: safety because now they're going to use cover as safety.
Speaker 1: They're gonna split off and they're gonna be kind of solitary,
Speaker 1: and what they're doing during that solitary period is they're
Speaker 1: storing up their energy and bulking up for what is
Speaker 1: soon to be the rut. Because during the rut, there
Speaker 1: once again expending all that energy, but they aren't gaining energy.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like growing their antlers, where it
Speaker 1: all goes into the growth of the antler during the rut,
Speaker 1: it all goes into rutting. And the ones that have
Speaker 1: the endurance, the strength they're those are the ones that
Speaker 1: are to breed. Those are the ones that are going
Speaker 1: to be successful fighting and cruising and finding dose and
Speaker 1: doing their thing. So you kind of think about this
Speaker 1: October time is like they split off there by themselves
Speaker 1: and they are essentially kind of like loners. They're they're
Speaker 1: doing their thing, but in a small area. Probably not
Speaker 1: you think like, oh, they'd be bulking up with a
Speaker 1: lot of food. That is true, but generally they've got
Speaker 1: like a smaller home range, a tighter area, and they're
Speaker 1: just kind of staying secluded where there's feeling protected and
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily show themselves as much. And that's what
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult when you're hunting because it's the
Speaker 1: one time a year where mualier aren't out. It's like
Speaker 1: I've literally gone to a place and seeing a hundred
Speaker 1: deer day in August, in a hundred deer day during
Speaker 1: the rut, and in October you struggled to even see
Speaker 1: a buck, and you're like, where do they go? Well,
Speaker 1: they're there, but they're hard to find. So generally, when
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about October, dear tag actics, the first thing
Speaker 1: I think of is go where they are, which is
Speaker 1: the timber. So tactic one is go to the timber.
Speaker 1: And the reason that is because we're thinking about their
Speaker 1: behavior and where they're at, so we're gonna hunt in
Speaker 1: those areas that they are now. Every you gotta have
Speaker 1: to when you're thinking about hunting, you've got to like
Speaker 1: break down the area you're hunting specifically based on like
Speaker 1: you choose your tactic for where you are. Now. If
Speaker 1: you're in an area that has a high alpine and
Speaker 1: you know that those deer in that alpine, the most
Speaker 1: logical thing is that those deer now going to be
Speaker 1: moving from that higher elevation to that first level of
Speaker 1: timber that maybe I would say like three thousand feet lower,
Speaker 1: depending on the elevation of the mountain range you're at,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be in that more like that band
Speaker 1: of cover, and so you've got to um kind of
Speaker 1: think about, Okay, this is where I'm going to pinpoint
Speaker 1: those deer. They're gonna be out of that alpine and
Speaker 1: just a little bit lower. Now you're thinking like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, if I asked earlier, are they higher? Are
Speaker 1: they low? Well, when it depends on the area and
Speaker 1: to it depends on the type of country that you
Speaker 1: want to hunt, because the opposite side to that is
Speaker 1: also during that time looking lower. Like I guess, it
Speaker 1: just kind of depends on your framework reference. Are they higher,
Speaker 1: are they low? They might be lower than they were
Speaker 1: in the summer, but they might be higher than they
Speaker 1: are in the late fall when they come to rut.
Speaker 1: A lot of the running action is going to take
Speaker 1: place in what would be the foothills, the lower country
Speaker 1: if you've got that kind of classic low valleys, foothills, mountains,
Speaker 1: big mountains. The deer now going to be kind of
Speaker 1: hitting that area in between the foothills and the top
Speaker 1: of the mountains. So the foot side of that is
Speaker 1: check out the lower country, that area that's the fringe
Speaker 1: between where they're staging to breed. So you've got that
Speaker 1: stuff below the alpine, and you've got that stuff above
Speaker 1: the foothills, and you've got this kind of band where
Speaker 1: you can think of see it seemingly two opposite trains
Speaker 1: of thought. One you're going high when you're going low. Um.
Speaker 1: But in both those type areas are areas to concentrate
Speaker 1: for deer this time of year, and it really depends
Speaker 1: on the type of area you're hunting. Now, another thought
Speaker 1: is some of those deer will still stay high, so
Speaker 1: you go, okay, well, the deer or secluded, they're they're
Speaker 1: finding cover, and that is very true. But you will
Speaker 1: also still find deer up in that alpine country in
Speaker 1: those patches that provide that cover and food that haven't
Speaker 1: moved down that elevation. So it depends on the type
Speaker 1: of country you're hunting. I would say go high if
Speaker 1: there's good cover high like if it's not here, just
Speaker 1: like open alpine. If you've got good habitat and good
Speaker 1: structure for them to stay safe, and the general area
Speaker 1: where they breed is not super low, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: catch them high. If on the flip side, your area
Speaker 1: is a little bit lower elevation, like it just doesn't
Speaker 1: have that that high alpine, then I would go low
Speaker 1: and kind of catch them on that fringe of where
Speaker 1: the does. Like you'll be going up into an area
Speaker 1: and you'll see does everywhere, and you're like, this is
Speaker 1: a nursery, right, It's just does does does, does, does,
Speaker 1: and maybe a little forky bucks, but you don't see
Speaker 1: any mature bucks. So you gotta think those bucks are
Speaker 1: going to be in a higher elevation than that nursery,
Speaker 1: in that kind of low type of train. So when
Speaker 1: looking for October meal deer, you're both gonna go high
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go low. It's that high country and
Speaker 1: that low country depending on the type of area you're in.
Speaker 1: And sometimes if an area has both of that, both
Speaker 1: those type of areas can be very successful and productive.
Speaker 1: It just depends on the type of whether it's recently
Speaker 1: received and kind of where the does and other deer staging.
Speaker 1: So the next tactic is going to be both focusing
Speaker 1: on the type of cover. So we're gonna focus on
Speaker 1: cover and then the other the flip side of that
Speaker 1: is to hunt open country and you'll see why in
Speaker 1: a second. So, like I talked about, we gotta think about, well,
Speaker 1: what are the deer doing. Well, they're going into more cover,
Speaker 1: their feelings secluded. So you think yourself, well, that's a
Speaker 1: perfect place to hunt. Yes, hunting the cover is a
Speaker 1: perfect place to hunt. But when you in actuality, when
Speaker 1: you look at a mountain, you go, wow, there is
Speaker 1: a lot of cover here, and I'm essentially looking for
Speaker 1: a needle in a haystack. And that's what it feels
Speaker 1: like sometimes on these October deer hunts, when it's like man,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes some earlier in the season it was
Speaker 1: like clockwork, we could come out here and find deer,
Speaker 1: and now where did they go? So the answers they're
Speaker 1: probably in cover, But the hard part is it's really
Speaker 1: hard to effectively hunt that cover. So on the flip
Speaker 1: side of we know they're in cover, a good tactic
Speaker 1: is also to hunt the open. You think, well, they
Speaker 1: aren't in the open as much, and that is very true,
Speaker 1: but the deer that are there are easier to find.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a catch twenty two where you're
Speaker 1: saying most of the deer in the cover, but the
Speaker 1: deer that are easiest to find are outside of that
Speaker 1: cover there in that kind tree that might be more open,
Speaker 1: or that more open country where I can limit the
Speaker 1: amount of cover is easier to find deer. I go
Speaker 1: back and forth when it comes this time of year
Speaker 1: to the places that I hunt. It is a lot
Speaker 1: easier to find deer in those more open areas because
Speaker 1: there's you're still focusing on cover, but you're looking for
Speaker 1: the open areas because there's less cover for the deer
Speaker 1: to hide in and it's easier to catch them in
Speaker 1: the open. On the flip side, a majority of the
Speaker 1: deer will be in that thicker cover terrain, the stuff.
Speaker 1: Even if it's open country like Nevada mule deer type country,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in that thick mahogany band. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be in that PJ this time of year, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be in that stuff that's really thick. And that's if
Speaker 1: the majority of the deer in that, that's your best
Speaker 1: odds for finding a really mature buck because he's probably
Speaker 1: going to be in that country that is the safest
Speaker 1: for him from hunters. Because in these areas where there's
Speaker 1: general tags, the ones that are in the zier places
Speaker 1: to find generally get shot, so they don't get the age,
Speaker 1: they don't get the maturity. If you're looking for a
Speaker 1: true giant in a general tag, you want to hunt
Speaker 1: deep pockets. They're full of cover, and so that's why
Speaker 1: I would say both focus on cover and hunt open country. Um,
Speaker 1: you've got a little bit of both options. Now, when
Speaker 1: it comes to the tactic for hunting October meal deer,
Speaker 1: I would say there's two options glass, hard or bush stock,
Speaker 1: And I would say that both tactics are what you
Speaker 1: want to do. You want to do this combination of
Speaker 1: covering through country, covering through that cover, so moving through
Speaker 1: those pockets, moving into those timber pockets, moving in those
Speaker 1: ridges that are hard to glass. But then also, honestly,
Speaker 1: this time of year is really about covering country, so
Speaker 1: you have to do it every way you can. It's
Speaker 1: with both glassing and still hunting and moving covering those
Speaker 1: ridges and areas where it's like it takes you into
Speaker 1: that cover where the deer are probably going to be,
Speaker 1: but also allowing you to look over a lot of
Speaker 1: different country and catch those deer that are moving between cover.
Speaker 1: Catch those deer that might be out. Maybe they're just
Speaker 1: cruising to a new pocket or getting ready to stage,
Speaker 1: or those deer that it's like, hey, I'm out in
Speaker 1: the open. I live in open country, so we're gonna glasses.
Speaker 1: So generally my October deer hunt strategy looks like this.
Speaker 1: I get up and I start my morning on a
Speaker 1: glass knob. So I will get up there and I'll
Speaker 1: find an area that I can overlook a bunch of
Speaker 1: different places where it's like timber, pocket, feeding sage, open
Speaker 1: country where it's like this is mule deer habitat prime muled,
Speaker 1: your habitat like glass, you know, if it's like aspen
Speaker 1: type country, I glass the edge of those aspen trees
Speaker 1: in the morning the ridge is I'm really just picking
Speaker 1: it apart. And then as the day progresses, I kind
Speaker 1: of start moving and changing my tactic. I don't really
Speaker 1: sit still when it comes to to over deer because
Speaker 1: I know that the more I move around, the higher
Speaker 1: likelihood to have of finding what I'm looking for. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that can be very successful
Speaker 1: this time of year just knowing, Hey, I know the
Speaker 1: deer use this basin. I see the sign. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: sit here and wait until that deer comes out, and
Speaker 1: they might sit four or five days glassing and looking,
Speaker 1: and then sure enough the deer comes out. I just
Speaker 1: personally that's not my hunting strategy or tactic, and it
Speaker 1: does work, but it it just drives me crazy, like
Speaker 1: I just lose that patience. So what I like to
Speaker 1: do is then um, move up the ridges and find
Speaker 1: those betting areas, those thick pockets where I believe deer
Speaker 1: will be, and then going between glassing points. So I'll
Speaker 1: move up upper ridge or whatever, glassing along the way
Speaker 1: looking for deer, and then when I get into a
Speaker 1: new pocket, sitting and glassing. Now, I do know that
Speaker 1: when you get into these new pockets that look good,
Speaker 1: you're really doing yourself a disservice to to judge that
Speaker 1: pocket based on what you're seeing that is not morning
Speaker 1: or evening. During October time, deers spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time betted, and if the moon's weird, if it's got
Speaker 1: like a full moon or something like that, they might
Speaker 1: even spend the evenings betted. They might only be out
Speaker 1: in the morning or the evening, just depends on on
Speaker 1: how they're feeling, the type of weather or whatever, so
Speaker 1: they aren't going to be out very often. So you
Speaker 1: really when you find a good spot where you're seeing
Speaker 1: a lot of sign, you're like, this pocket's good, it's
Speaker 1: good for glassing. You then judge that pocket based on
Speaker 1: the right time to day, not the middle of the day.
Speaker 1: So it's something to think about. But then the rest
Speaker 1: of the day I spend cruising that timber, still hunting,
Speaker 1: because I will catch deer moving in that timber, find
Speaker 1: them in those little pockets. I'm looking for sign both
Speaker 1: tracks and you know, scat and whatever. Even sometimes you'll
Speaker 1: start to see some some initial rubbings where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're kind of marking out their turf, they're cruising around,
Speaker 1: they're they're preparing for the rut, both mentally and physically,
Speaker 1: I guess um and and so the way that I
Speaker 1: like to structure my hunt is glassing in the mornings,
Speaker 1: moving throughout the day, uh, finding like new areas where
Speaker 1: it looks like, okay, this is another good glassing spot.
Speaker 1: Glassing it because you will oftentimes turn up deer even
Speaker 1: out in the open in the daytime. Maybe they're betted
Speaker 1: or whatever. But looking for those betted deer, then continuing
Speaker 1: moving through cover bush stocking, and then getting to in
Speaker 1: the evening set up posted up for more glassing, and
Speaker 1: that I found is probably the most successful way by
Speaker 1: combining all those things like understanding where the deer might
Speaker 1: be and deciding okay, high or low, which it could be,
Speaker 1: both deciding whether to focus on cover or more open
Speaker 1: where they're in the cover, but the more open might
Speaker 1: be more successful. And then doing the combination of glassing
Speaker 1: and still hunting, you're covering the most country the most efficiently,
Speaker 1: and that's the best way to find some of the
Speaker 1: hardest deer to find during this time of year. I
Speaker 1: hope this helps you guys find some success us. If
Speaker 1: you got that October Dear tag, I definitely want you
Speaker 1: to send me some pictures keep me posted on your success.
Speaker 1: I've had so many awesome already, a lot of guys
Speaker 1: being successful using some tactics, some stuff from last season.
Speaker 1: I know, I know some I got. I did get
Speaker 1: a few comments people wanting like like, I want this
Speaker 1: October Dear stuff in September, in the September elk stuff
Speaker 1: in August, and I understand that you know, being able
Speaker 1: to prepare for it a little bit better, but also
Speaker 1: I like to kind of do things that are topical
Speaker 1: when we're doing it. There's a lot of guys creising
Speaker 1: out this weekend, UM, and maybe this tactic when they're fresh.
Speaker 1: I feel like they also help a lot too. So
Speaker 1: in the future, I'll try to get ahead of some
Speaker 1: of the some of the tactics. You know, we'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about some late season ELK tactics, some
Speaker 1: good rifle tactics. One thing that I did get a
Speaker 1: lot of questions on was just UM talking about gear
Speaker 1: and we do I generally would break up, UM. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of the podcast. I guess like in
Speaker 1: the in the quote unquote schedule, UM doing kind of
Speaker 1: a gear dump thing, and we haven't done one for
Speaker 1: a while, so I always think that that's fun. It's
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things like I I mean,
Speaker 1: I I'm fortunately I get to try a lot of
Speaker 1: gear and use a lot of gear, and so gear
Speaker 1: I definitely have a I feel like I can talk
Speaker 1: forever about gear. Hunter. You get two hunters in the
Speaker 1: same room together, dude, it's just like gear talk City.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. UM. Maybe we'll do a little
Speaker 1: bit of gear stuff to you, just for the people
Speaker 1: that have asked for it, and then once again, you know,
Speaker 1: feel free to to send out your comments the best
Speaker 1: ways at remy warrant on Instagram, um or even I've
Speaker 1: been checking the YouTube stuff a little bit more as well.
Speaker 1: I've got some pretty awesome hunts that we've been I
Speaker 1: just did I should probably it's kind of fun to
Speaker 1: talk about like recent hunts. I know a lot of
Speaker 1: the the stories and stuff have been from past on
Speaker 1: summer recent hunts. It's it's actually just had an incredible
Speaker 1: moose hunt. It was really fun, um kind of fun
Speaker 1: to talk about different species too. You know, I think
Speaker 1: about since like you get pigeonholed into elk and deer
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's hard to get a moose tag
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's like, I've actually got more questions
Speaker 1: about moose tactics than um than late season elk tactics.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know that that might even just steer
Speaker 1: the conversation there. But it's been it's been a pretty
Speaker 1: I've had like a pretty incredible season so far. I
Speaker 1: did have one hunt it was just kind of like
Speaker 1: a i don't know, man, like a beat down. You
Speaker 1: know those hunts where you put it all in, you
Speaker 1: put it all on the line. I added about two
Speaker 1: weeks in the back country for a sheep and um
Speaker 1: did not. Well, I'll let you out the videos coming
Speaker 1: out tomorrow. I guess it'd be Friday. Yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's good. It's a cool watch. I'll put
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'll just put a link to it or
Speaker 1: on playlist on my remy war on YouTube channel. You
Speaker 1: can you can check that out if you guys want.
Speaker 1: But then after that, it was like super success of
Speaker 1: shooting the best bull I've ever shot. That video is
Speaker 1: going to come out pretty soon. And then going into
Speaker 1: this moose and and actually got a chance to hunt
Speaker 1: woodland cariboo, which has been a dream of mine. Like
Speaker 1: I it seems weird, but I love like the smaller
Speaker 1: species of species cou'se deer, blacktail deer, now Newfoundland caribou,
Speaker 1: um woodland cariboo from Newfoundland. I mean, I went from
Speaker 1: a string of like hard luck to a lot of success,
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of fun to um, kind
Speaker 1: of fun to see, you know. It's like one of
Speaker 1: those things, man, I put in my time on one
Speaker 1: hunt and it's just been boom bang bop since then. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can keep up with all that or whatever, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'll share some of those stories as well. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you guys reaching out and just I've got
Speaker 1: so many messages about people's like, hey man, this tactic
Speaker 1: worked for me. This is you know, I've hunted five
Speaker 1: years not been successful. Use some of your tactics came
Speaker 1: out on top this year. So that's what that. That
Speaker 1: just gets me stoked on it. Um, pretty excited for
Speaker 1: the stuff we got coming up. Hopefully it's good stuff
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. And then, like I say,
Speaker 1: just keep me posted on how you guys do. I
Speaker 1: like to see that kind of stuff. It keeps me
Speaker 1: motivated when I'm like dead tired in between hunts. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm full on guide mode now. So um, A
Speaker 1: lot of these podcasts are done in the wee hours
Speaker 1: of the night, Like I get in at eleven, then uh,
Speaker 1: eat dinner than do a podcast that You would think
Speaker 1: it only takes thirty minutes however long there, but it
Speaker 1: takes me a little bit longer to kind of think
Speaker 1: about it and then get up at four am and
Speaker 1: then head out. You know, it's just like they no
Speaker 1: sleep time of year. But it's also I think that's
Speaker 1: some of the best time when it's like racking my
Speaker 1: brain of like the tactics that I'm using, and that's
Speaker 1: why I like to keep them fresh with things that
Speaker 1: are going on, because it's just like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: what I did today, and it's easier for me to
Speaker 1: talk about that way. It's like real life action and
Speaker 1: then you get a you get a benefit from that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, keep keep the conversation going both ways. Feel
Speaker 1: free to reach out to me on social media at
Speaker 1: Remy Warren. I appreciate everyone to that drops the comments
Speaker 1: in the um wherever you listen to the podcast, and
Speaker 1: then if you give it a good rating, that never hurts,
Speaker 1: share it with some friends, share it on social media,
Speaker 1: whatever you guys like to do. I appreciate it. And
Speaker 1: so until next week, let's just say keep it contradictory.
Speaker 1: That's a fun word to say, contracdictory. All right, see
Speaker 1: you guys. M