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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is cutting the distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone.

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Speaker 1: This week we're gonna be talking about October mule deer.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's one of the hardest times to

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Speaker 1: hunt mulder out west. Why is that because the tactics

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Speaker 1: seem to always contradict themselves. It's at time when the

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Speaker 1: mule deer vanish and disappear between being bachelored up in

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Speaker 1: the rut. They just ghost you. They're hard and difficult

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Speaker 1: to hunt. So if you were to ask me, well,

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Speaker 1: are the dear high or low? Honestly the answers both.

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Speaker 1: And if you said should I focus on cover or

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Speaker 1: the open, once again both Should you glass or bush stock?

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Speaker 1: The answers both. So this week we're gonna even odds

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Speaker 1: on October mule deer by sharing this now open secret

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Speaker 1: of using contradictory tactics that effectively put you in a

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Speaker 1: terribly good position for success. But before we do that,

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Speaker 1: I want to share the most successful unsuccessful hunt I've

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Speaker 1: had for October mule deer. Now, this hunt took place

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Speaker 1: last season. It was on over the counter meal your

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Speaker 1: Tag during the middle of October. The reason a lot

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Speaker 1: of those over the counter tags are during October is

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Speaker 1: because it's difficult to find dear, so game managers know

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Speaker 1: they aren't gonna all get shot out because there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a lot of people that don't even see bucks

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Speaker 1: or something that they're allowed to shoot. Now, on this

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Speaker 1: particular hunt, I had my dad and my at the

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Speaker 1: time pregnant wife joining me. We decided to go. We

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Speaker 1: we had a kind of like a long weekend that

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Speaker 1: we were going to go and do just a fun

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Speaker 1: hunt together. It was kind of planned as like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: some hunts you're like thinking, or at least me, I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: I'm here to find the biggest best dear I can,

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Speaker 1: or other hunts I'm like, I'm gonna go deep and

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Speaker 1: just hunt it hard for a week and this is

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Speaker 1: this is But this hunt, it was just kind of

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Speaker 1: like I wanted to get out. I wanted to hunt

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Speaker 1: with my dad, hunt with my wife, and if we

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Speaker 1: saw some deer, great, We're just there to have a

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Speaker 1: good time, and I think that there's you know, there's

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Speaker 1: always a lot of different reasons why we're out hunting,

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Speaker 1: but we weren't going to be super picky. It's mostly

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Speaker 1: about having a fun camp, enjoying the experience together, and

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Speaker 1: getting out. So with that mindset, I found a pretty

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Speaker 1: sweet camp spot. Um this place, there's actually some hot

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Speaker 1: the hot springs are. We can we can then kind

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Speaker 1: the day. So we we we set out for just

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Speaker 1: a couple days, go in there, get the tent set up,

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Speaker 1: and uh, of course a big storm rolls in, which

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Speaker 1: area we were hunting pretty low deer densities. I'd hunted

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Speaker 1: in there before, and I actually I hunted pretty hard.

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Speaker 1: I did shoot a really big buck, but I m

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Speaker 1: also didn't see a lot of deer, so I knew

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Speaker 1: that that was a possibility, and I even though I

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Speaker 1: I'm up to bat last. So I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: get my dad or my wife a deer. So we

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Speaker 1: end up starting out going into some of that, checking

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Speaker 1: their wife did, I mean, actually my entire wife's pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: She was like a hiking beast. I think, like, I

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Speaker 1: But she can just she can always hike. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: She's probably better hiker than me. And my dad's in

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Speaker 1: great shape. So we decided to just go pretty much

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Speaker 1: Everything's good, is actually snowing, the snow clears. It's like,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, the best opportunity you would ever have

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Speaker 1: They're going to come out and feed, and we're in

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, great area. You know, I hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: So we switch up tactics. We're going into place we

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Speaker 1: we're glassing this, like just walking and glassing in front

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, my dad goes buck, like what okay.

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Speaker 1: We get down and sure enough it's just an antler

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Speaker 1: I could have shot him in his bed, and then

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Speaker 1: great meal. I cooked up a elk tenderloin, some some

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Speaker 1: though we came away with nothing, we remembered one how

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Speaker 1: because hey, we had a tag in our pocket and

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Speaker 1: there's definitely an opportunity. We weren't successful, but I would

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Speaker 1: say that the trip overall was a successful venture. And

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Speaker 1: you might be thinking, well, that was a story. Why

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Speaker 1: did you share an unsuccessful story of October meal you're

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Speaker 1: I think part of the reason I want to share

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Speaker 1: this story is because one it contradicts, uh, some of

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Speaker 1: the things I'm talking about contradictory tactics, and you'll understand

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Speaker 1: October meal that you're hunting can be tough. Now, I've

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Speaker 1: found over the years through guiding, I mean, I've cut

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Speaker 1: my teeth chasing deer this time of year when they're

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Speaker 1: pretty much non existent in general type areas, and we've

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Speaker 1: found some giant deer. I mean we've taken hundred ninety

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Speaker 1: of big deer, you know. Over the years, I've I've

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Speaker 1: found a lot of success, and a lot of that

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Speaker 1: success is using these tactics that um kind of seam

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Speaker 1: I think we've got to first understand deer or at

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Speaker 1: your habitat like glass, you know, if it's like aspen

429
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Speaker 1: type country, I glass the edge of those aspen trees

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Speaker 1: in the morning the ridge is I'm really just picking

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Speaker 1: it apart. And then as the day progresses, I kind

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Speaker 1: of start moving and changing my tactic. I don't really

433
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Speaker 1: sit still when it comes to to over deer because

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Speaker 1: I know that the more I move around, the higher

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Speaker 1: likelihood to have of finding what I'm looking for. Now,

436
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that can be very successful

437
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: this time of year just knowing, Hey, I know the

438
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: deer use this basin. I see the sign. I'm gonna

439
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Speaker 1: sit here and wait until that deer comes out, and

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Speaker 1: they might sit four or five days glassing and looking,

441
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Speaker 1: and then sure enough the deer comes out. I just

442
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: personally that's not my hunting strategy or tactic, and it

443
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Speaker 1: does work, but it it just drives me crazy, like

444
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: I just lose that patience. So what I like to

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Speaker 1: do is then um, move up the ridges and find

446
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Speaker 1: those betting areas, those thick pockets where I believe deer

447
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Speaker 1: will be, and then going between glassing points. So I'll

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Speaker 1: move up upper ridge or whatever, glassing along the way

449
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Speaker 1: looking for deer, and then when I get into a

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Speaker 1: new pocket, sitting and glassing. Now, I do know that

451
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Speaker 1: when you get into these new pockets that look good,

452
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Speaker 1: you're really doing yourself a disservice to to judge that

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Speaker 1: pocket based on what you're seeing that is not morning

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Speaker 1: or evening. During October time, deers spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time betted, and if the moon's weird, if it's got

456
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Speaker 1: like a full moon or something like that, they might

457
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Speaker 1: even spend the evenings betted. They might only be out

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Speaker 1: in the morning or the evening, just depends on on

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Speaker 1: how they're feeling, the type of weather or whatever, so

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Speaker 1: they aren't going to be out very often. So you

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Speaker 1: really when you find a good spot where you're seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of sign, you're like, this pocket's good, it's

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Speaker 1: good for glassing. You then judge that pocket based on

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Speaker 1: the right time to day, not the middle of the day.

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Speaker 1: So it's something to think about. But then the rest

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Speaker 1: of the day I spend cruising that timber, still hunting,

467
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Speaker 1: because I will catch deer moving in that timber, find

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Speaker 1: them in those little pockets. I'm looking for sign both

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Speaker 1: tracks and you know, scat and whatever. Even sometimes you'll

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Speaker 1: start to see some some initial rubbings where it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of marking out their turf, they're cruising around,

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Speaker 1: they're they're preparing for the rut, both mentally and physically,

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Speaker 1: I guess um and and so the way that I

474
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Speaker 1: like to structure my hunt is glassing in the mornings,

475
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Speaker 1: moving throughout the day, uh, finding like new areas where

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Speaker 1: it looks like, okay, this is another good glassing spot.

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Speaker 1: Glassing it because you will oftentimes turn up deer even

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Speaker 1: out in the open in the daytime. Maybe they're betted

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But looking for those betted deer, then continuing

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Speaker 1: moving through cover bush stocking, and then getting to in

481
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Speaker 1: the evening set up posted up for more glassing, and

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Speaker 1: that I found is probably the most successful way by

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Speaker 1: combining all those things like understanding where the deer might

484
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Speaker 1: be and deciding okay, high or low, which it could be,

485
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: both deciding whether to focus on cover or more open

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Speaker 1: where they're in the cover, but the more open might

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Speaker 1: be more successful. And then doing the combination of glassing

488
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Speaker 1: and still hunting, you're covering the most country the most efficiently,

489
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Speaker 1: and that's the best way to find some of the

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Speaker 1: hardest deer to find during this time of year. I

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Speaker 1: hope this helps you guys find some success us. If

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Speaker 1: you got that October Dear tag, I definitely want you

493
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Speaker 1: to send me some pictures keep me posted on your success.

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Speaker 1: I've had so many awesome already, a lot of guys

495
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: being successful using some tactics, some stuff from last season.

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Speaker 1: I know, I know some I got. I did get

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Speaker 1: a few comments people wanting like like, I want this

498
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Speaker 1: October Dear stuff in September, in the September elk stuff

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Speaker 1: in August, and I understand that you know, being able

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Speaker 1: to prepare for it a little bit better, but also

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00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: I like to kind of do things that are topical

502
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 1: when we're doing it. There's a lot of guys creising

503
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: out this weekend, UM, and maybe this tactic when they're fresh.

504
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel like they also help a lot too. So

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00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: in the future, I'll try to get ahead of some

506
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: of the some of the tactics. You know, we'll talk

507
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: a little bit about some late season ELK tactics, some

508
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: good rifle tactics. One thing that I did get a

509
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: lot of questions on was just UM talking about gear

510
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: and we do I generally would break up, UM. You

511
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: know a lot of the podcast. I guess like in

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Speaker 1: the in the quote unquote schedule, UM doing kind of

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00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: a gear dump thing, and we haven't done one for

514
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: a while, so I always think that that's fun. It's

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00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of one of those things like I I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I'm fortunately I get to try a lot of

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00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: gear and use a lot of gear, and so gear

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00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I definitely have a I feel like I can talk

519
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: forever about gear. Hunter. You get two hunters in the

520
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: same room together, dude, it's just like gear talk City.

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00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: That's all it is. UM. Maybe we'll do a little

522
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: bit of gear stuff to you, just for the people

523
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: that have asked for it, and then once again, you know,

524
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: feel free to to send out your comments the best

525
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: ways at remy warrant on Instagram, um or even I've

526
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: been checking the YouTube stuff a little bit more as well.

527
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: I've got some pretty awesome hunts that we've been I

528
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: just did I should probably it's kind of fun to

529
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: talk about like recent hunts. I know a lot of

530
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: the the stories and stuff have been from past on

531
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: summer recent hunts. It's it's actually just had an incredible

532
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: moose hunt. It was really fun, um kind of fun

533
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: to talk about different species too. You know, I think

534
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: about since like you get pigeonholed into elk and deer

535
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's hard to get a moose tag

536
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's like, I've actually got more questions

537
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: about moose tactics than um than late season elk tactics.

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00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: So uh, you know that that might even just steer

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00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: the conversation there. But it's been it's been a pretty

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Speaker 1: I've had like a pretty incredible season so far. I

541
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: did have one hunt it was just kind of like

542
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: a i don't know, man, like a beat down. You

543
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: know those hunts where you put it all in, you

544
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: put it all on the line. I added about two

545
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: weeks in the back country for a sheep and um

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Speaker 1: did not. Well, I'll let you out the videos coming

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00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: out tomorrow. I guess it'd be Friday. Yeah, um yeah,

548
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's good. It's a cool watch. I'll put

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00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'll just put a link to it or

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00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: on playlist on my remy war on YouTube channel. You

551
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: can you can check that out if you guys want.

552
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: But then after that, it was like super success of

553
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: shooting the best bull I've ever shot. That video is

554
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: going to come out pretty soon. And then going into

555
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: this moose and and actually got a chance to hunt

556
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: woodland cariboo, which has been a dream of mine. Like

557
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: I it seems weird, but I love like the smaller

558
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: species of species cou'se deer, blacktail deer, now Newfoundland caribou,

559
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: um woodland cariboo from Newfoundland. I mean, I went from

560
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: a string of like hard luck to a lot of success,

561
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of fun to um, kind

562
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: of fun to see, you know. It's like one of

563
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: those things, man, I put in my time on one

564
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: hunt and it's just been boom bang bop since then. So, um, yeah,

565
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: you can keep up with all that or whatever, and

566
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'll share some of those stories as well. I

567
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: really appreciate you guys reaching out and just I've got

568
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: so many messages about people's like, hey man, this tactic

569
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: worked for me. This is you know, I've hunted five

570
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: years not been successful. Use some of your tactics came

571
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: out on top this year. So that's what that. That

572
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: just gets me stoked on it. Um, pretty excited for

573
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: the stuff we got coming up. Hopefully it's good stuff

574
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. And then, like I say,

575
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: just keep me posted on how you guys do. I

576
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: like to see that kind of stuff. It keeps me

577
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: motivated when I'm like dead tired in between hunts. I mean,

578
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm full on guide mode now. So um, A

579
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: lot of these podcasts are done in the wee hours

580
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: of the night, Like I get in at eleven, then uh,

581
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: eat dinner than do a podcast that You would think

582
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: it only takes thirty minutes however long there, but it

583
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: takes me a little bit longer to kind of think

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Speaker 1: about it and then get up at four am and

585
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: then head out. You know, it's just like they no

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00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: sleep time of year. But it's also I think that's

587
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: some of the best time when it's like racking my

588
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: brain of like the tactics that I'm using, and that's

589
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: why I like to keep them fresh with things that

590
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: are going on, because it's just like, oh, this is

591
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: what I did today, and it's easier for me to

592
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: talk about that way. It's like real life action and

593
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: then you get a you get a benefit from that.

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00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, keep keep the conversation going both ways. Feel

595
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: free to reach out to me on social media at

596
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: Remy Warren. I appreciate everyone to that drops the comments

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: in the um wherever you listen to the podcast, and

598
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: then if you give it a good rating, that never hurts,

599
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: share it with some friends, share it on social media,

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00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: whatever you guys like to do. I appreciate it. And

601
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: so until next week, let's just say keep it contradictory.

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00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: That's a fun word to say, contracdictory. All right, see

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Speaker 1: you guys. M