WEBVTT - Democrats Need a Narrative Shift 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.600 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.000 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Long 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:22.599 Island Bunker. Folks, you know. On today's conversation with Jonathan, 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.880 we go in on what we think is needed in 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.840 terms of a narrative change from the Democrats. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.239 What we are seeing right now is that. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:43.519 Democrats, Progressives, independents are at a crossroads, and there are 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.120 at a crossroads in terms of whether or not Joe 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.560 Biden is going to be able to carry the water 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.800 for our democracy across the finish line. In twenty twenty four, 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.600 I posted a TikTok video recently where the comments have 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.320 shot the shit out of me, with people that follow 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.040 me saying that they're not voting for Biden. Again, I 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.200 am not quite clear as to what people think that 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.800 they are going to be doing if they decide to 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.840 sit home and Donald Trump becomes the last president of 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:17.600 the United States. I want to be very fucking clear 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.119 about this that this is not the time for your protests. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:22.600 Vote. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.160 You want to protest, you want to march, That's great 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.640 and fine. When we have a president that actually believes 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:32.040 in democracy, an administration that is open to being pushed. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.880 But when you are up against an opponent who has 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.959 said that he will throw his political opponents into insane 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.480 asylums where he will indict everyone that is against him, 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.640 that he will put people into camps, and everything that 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.600 he did in his first term that he said he 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.320 was going to do, he did do. Let us believe 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.080 Donald Trump the first fucking time and not be murmuring 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:01.040 to ourselves while we're all locked up in camp. I 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.559 say this, and I say it not tongue in cheek. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.520 Hitler did not start with concentration camps. He ended with them. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:12.560 He started with rhetoric. He started with a common enemy 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.480 that people rallied behind, which is exactly what Donald Trump 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.639 is doing. So for those that cannot swallow voting for 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.360 Joe Biden, I would like to know how you plan 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:28.000 on swallowing authoritarianism and what you plan on doing when 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:32.880 Donald Trump, now with the thanks of Senator Tooperville, has 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.839 two hundred open posts in the military that he can 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:40.960 fill with his sycophans to then sick our own military 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.360 on the people, which is what Donald Trump wanted to 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.080 do when he was president the first time. But he 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.200 had people like Mattis who said, no, those people will 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:55.440 be gone. And I need folks to wrap their fucking 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.960 minds around the fact that you are not voting for 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:04.640 a person, you are voting for democracy to survive. So 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.880 that's the conversation coming up next with our dear friend, 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:14.640 doctor Jonathan Metzol. Folks, you know that whenever we have 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.840 the opportunity to speak with our friend Jonathan Metsol, we're 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:24.640 always thrilled for your analysis and insight. And Jonathan, earlier 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.920 this week, well last week, when you all listen to this, 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.320 I posted a TikTok video and in that TikTok video, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.200 I urged people to not use twenty twenty four for 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:43.560 their fucking protest votes. That we just do not have 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:49.160 the ability or the time to be able to say 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.000 that you are not going to vote for the Democrat 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.760 or democracy or democracy ish for that matter, right, Like, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.840 I am not a fool to believe that the Biden 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.720 administration has made everything great, but what I know for 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.360 certain is that a second term of Donald Trump would 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.240 absolutely destroy anything that we have left that looks like 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.640 democracy in this country. And Jonathan, the comments underneath my 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.400 posts basically are like, I'm not voting for genocide, Joe, 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.480 this is what they are calling him. I don't know 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.359 what you're talking about, but like, there's no difference between 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:31.039 Trump and Biden. And it this goes along with the 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:36.599 polls recently looking at the fact that young people have 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.120 dropped their support for Biden by fifty percent. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.800 So I just want to get I want to I 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:42.720 want to ask you. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.039 We have eleven months, eleven and a half months until 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:54.120 election twenty twenty four, and what is this signaling to you? 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.599 If there was one word for like the sensation of 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:02.880 having your pants be on fire, yes, sch middle, schmertz 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.120 or something like that, you know, that would be it. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:10.880 I am really I find this incredibly serious, incredibly serious, 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.719 and and but I'm so concerned. Okay, there's the issue itself, right, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.640 definitely the issue itself, which is that we have to 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.520 figure out how to get back together when, as you 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:23.680 and I have talked about here, we had a polarizing 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.120 crisis where people automatically filtered onto one You're either one 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.480 side or the other, You're either this or that, and 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:34.680 it's irreparable. And that something deep happened with the Palmas 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:39.039 terror attacks and then the war on on on Gaza 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:41.680 and it's like you're either once or another and it 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.400 just feels irreparable. It's in a way reflection of the 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.359 actual politics itself in the actual Middle East. And so 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:55.000 but the problem is, unlike in the Middle East, here 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.640 we're part of a coalition that has shared interests in 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.680 this kind tree. See, you would think and if I 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:07.200 would think, and if that gets if that gets split, 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.560 things are going to get a lot worse in every 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.600 way possible. And one way that people aren't even paying 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.120 attention to, for example, is that right wing judges just 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.400 this week overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.960 So Trump judges are doing damage. I mean literally just 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.000 in the past week. So basically, you know, how like 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:34.840 the NAACP or somebody can bring a lawsuit against somebody, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.640 They're not going to be able to do that anymore, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:42.359 Like only legal electric officials can bring these big lawsuits 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.640 and stuff like that. So a massive proviso to the 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:51.000 Voting Rights Act fell in a court, in a lower court. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.000 That's going to go up to the Supreme Court, I'm sure. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.520 But basically, all the everything we've done, you know, we're 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.360 we're protesting, we're find a lawsuit against gear mandering against whatever. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:07.240 That's Trump judges doing that. And then while nobody was looking, 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.960 a massive gun control case came down the pike and overturned. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:20.960 I think it was Maryland a bill to like a 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.480 decade old handgun law that said basically, you have to 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.520 get a fingerprint and stuff like that before you get 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.760 a handgun. Now anybody can just go in and get 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.239 a handgun in Maryland. And so they're using the Supreme 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:37.840 These are extreme Supreme Court issume judges from a court 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.800 that were Trump judges overturning the most basic gun safety laws. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.280 And so that's just a hint of what would happen 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:52.360 if Trump won this election. And the implications are just catastrophic. 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.000 But the question is, how are we going to how 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.680 are we going to get that coalition back together when 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.840 we've been split so essentially, And it's not just that 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.040 I feel like, just personally, I don't want to stereotype 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.679 young many young voters are not saying or saying the Democrats, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.680 I don't support them, but for them, it's also almost 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.680 like an anarchy fantasy that the whole system has to 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.040 be destroyed to be rebuilt or something like that. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.800 So there's this I mean, here, here's what I will 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 say about that, because I have said on this show 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.720 and on many other shows, sometimes many times, that sometimes 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.600 things need to burn all the way to the fucking 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.920 ground in order for us to be able to build 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:35.120 things back up. I have said this, however, and I 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.240 but you did, and other people have pushed back, and 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.800 I will now push back against myself, recognizing. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.400 That while we are. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.040 Here trying to fight against you know, trump Ism, magaism, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.040 federal courts, federal judges that don't believe in the rule 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:57.840 of law, that don't believe in democracy, That the world 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.200 is teetering on World War III. And that is not 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.559 that is not me being hyperbolic. That is me parroting 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:12.960 and listening to of theorists, historians, and other analysts that 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.720 are saying the very same thing. So, given the stakes, 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.840 we do not have the opportunity to use this next 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.480 election as a fucking protest vote. Am I saying that 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:28.000 Joe Biden is the best person. No, I am fucking not. 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.880 But he is the person that we have. And the 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.960 idea that people would say, just the little hints of 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.720 things that you just rattled off, the idea that people 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.960 don't believe that that would turn into a tsunami that 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:46.800 would take out the Constitution. I just don't. I don't 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.040 get it. And it makes me really concerned that people 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.200 either did not feel enough pain under the last four 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.800 years of Donald Trump, or they're just like it's worth 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.680 the gamble to see whether or not he actually does 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.000 go so far as to create camps and throw his 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:08.720 political opponents insane asylums, which all he has been saying, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:09.480 by the way. 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.760 You know, thinking about that, burn it all to the ground, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:15.560 like I know the fantasy of burn it all to 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:20.360 the ground is I'm sure you and everybody listening has 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.880 seen the classic nineteen seventies movie Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.880 where the tomatoes come and lay waste to society. Then 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.000 the heroes figure out that tomatoes are killed by listening 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.520 to the song Puberty Love. Only the best people survive. 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.600 And then they come out and there's like a whole 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.280 open field that they can rebuild society. The tomatoes are 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.960 all dead. See this movie. If you haven't seen it, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.520 I'm just kidding. It terrible. But the thing is, the 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.120 idea is like, oh, we emerge from our bunker and 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.760 there's an open field and we can build starting like 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.840 a video game, starting at a script. But that ain't what 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:56.839 burn it to the ground means. Here, burn of the 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.640 ground means you can be burning into the ground. Well, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:05.160 you're enemy controls the courts controls, the prisons controls, the 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.480 military controls everything. I mean, why do you think Tommy 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.480 Tuberville is holding out yep, all these positions in the 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.560 military is because then if Trump takes over, he can 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.320 in one day take over the two hundred main positions 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:21.040 in the military. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.440 I find that where we are is that everyone has 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.760 forgotten how to play connect the dots, right, which is 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.360 that Tommy Tuberville has been saying, Oh, I'm holding these 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:43.160 positions hostage because I believe that the United States military 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:48.240 shouldn't be offering up abortions to service members. Right, That's 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.839 not the fucking reason. The reason is what Jonathan just said, 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.839 that you can hold these positions, these high ranking military 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.880 positions hostage from a Democrat being able to name so 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.360 people that they know espouse the beliefs that are entangled 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.199 in the Constitution and wait for Donald Trump to come 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:13.240 in and in one sweeping blow instill people who will 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.640 do his bidding. Turn the military against civilians right, that 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.840 he can operationalize the the military against people that he 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.000 does not like. That is what Tommy Twobervilla is doing 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:29.960 and the reason why Democrats are not like painting this picture. 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.680 I don't fucking understand to just say that it is 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:33.400 about abortion. 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.000 It's not. It's exactly what Jonathan just said. Continue. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.760 Well, but again that that suggests that they're I mean, 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:46.559 I'm sure Toobervilla is. He doesn't seem to be much 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.480 smarter than a potato as far as I can tell. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:49.480 True. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:54.040 So so I think what's happening is that there's a 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.040 very complex strategic plan for what's going to happen if 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.160 Trump takes over to exert control like right away and 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.400 that kind of thing. To me, it's terrifying what he's doing, 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.120 not just because of what it is, but because he 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.199 you know, it just suggested there's some higher level organization 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.920 going on, and so I think it would be pretty brutal. 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:23.320 I'm just getting depressed here, but I guess, but I guess. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.120 I'm just thinking about what we talked about last week 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.400 or two weeks ago, which was remember that Cambridge Analytica 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:32.320 movie that everybody should watch. Yeah, the Great hack or whatever. 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.760 The whole idea was to divide the opposition, to lay 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.520 the groundwork for conservative control and stuff like that. That's 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.719 what's happening here, right that people are being told, oh, 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:44.839 don't vote because the system doesn't work for you or 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.320 something like that. Like we're being hacked right now. I mean, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:51.400 there's there's real things going on obviously, but we're being hacked. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.360 And so I guess the question is, Danielle, is the 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.320 our coalition? I guess I have three questions for you. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.800 Is our coalition? Is what's signaling now being signaled now? 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:08.800 Ultimately the untenability of our coalition? Right? It was a 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:14.960 very multi racial, multi everything coalition. Is what's signaling now 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.400 that that just wasn't going to work? Is it that 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:22.120 we're going to call on the power of the diversity 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.080 of our coalition and pull things back together by different 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.600 people pulling in different ways? Or does this suggest that 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.240 Biden shouldn't be the nominee? And to me, there's only really, honestly, 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.320 realistically one other nominee, the vice president. Would somebody else 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.440 do better than Biden? And pulling this all together? Those 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:40.240 are the right three. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.120 So here's and I'll answer it. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.960 With one instead of instead of all three. I believe 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:51.560 that what this signals is that Democrats have oftentimes allowed 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.800 perfect to get in the way of decent. And right now, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.920 what we need is decent. We don't need perfect, we 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.640 don't even need good. Need somebody that can usher us through. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.680 And people have said, like, well, I thought that Biden 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.280 was going to be a bridge candidate, and I'm like, 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.440 Biden never said that he was going to go for 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:13.200 one term. Nor do I think that Kamala Harris, a 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.240 black woman, a woman of color, is going to be 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.400 able to bring this racist ass country back together, being 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.160 as how this administration has hit her for most of 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.800 the four years until like they need her to unveil 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.800 a plan for HBCUs. And so what I believe is 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.120 that people need to understand and come together and recognize 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.280 that you are not voting for a person, that you 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.360 are voting for the continuation of democracy as imperfect as 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.720 it fucking is, right, but that the alternative is not 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.960 going to give you another bite at the apple. So 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.120 you want to decide whether it's Jill Stein or fucking 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.040 Kennedy or whomever it is that you want to decide 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.560 that you want to throw away your vote for recognize 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.520 that you're throwing away your vote for an eternity because 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.160 you don't have the opportunity to vote. If a Donald 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.120 Trump puts his hand on that Bible one last time 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.280 spells out American carnage in January twenty twenty five, and 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.040 you think that, oh, it'll just be four years. No, 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:10.760 it will be the next four hundred. So that's the 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.800 thing that people need to coalesce around. It is not 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.680 a fucking person, right, because we don't have a person 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.240 worthy of people coming together around. What we have is 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:24.880 the idea of the continuation of this imperfect ideology, which 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.920 is democracy. And if America falls, everything else will be 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.680 a domino effect after that into destruction. That's my answer. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.480 Is that a generalizable message? Do you think right now? 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.400 In other words, like if people are like I think 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.160 the generational disconnect of course completely beyond agree with you, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.120 and I think we need to be shouting this every 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:52.280 minute we can, going forward all the time forever. I 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.040 think the disconnect is I mean, like I'm thinking about, like, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.600 is there a generational problem with that message? Is that 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.560 a message that people are going to hear when there's 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.879 a when there's like I'm thinking of Argentina, for example, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:12.040 where it was actually young voters who, like people in 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.119 Argentina right now are shocked and they're depressed and they're like, 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:16.760 oh my god, how did this happen? But it was 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.439 the young voters who said, this guy's going to come 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.760 in and tear down the entire government and that's exactly 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.000 what we want. It was a really powerful message to 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:30.159 young voters. And so I don't know, it seems like 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:36.000 the scariest demographic now is the eighteen to whatever twenty nine. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.520 I mean, I think that I don't think that they're 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.439 the scariest demographic. I think that they're the demographic that 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.399 has been failed the most. And when people so I 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.479 think that when we're I think that the language that 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.600 we're using is important and understanding. Why are why are 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:57.720 folks that are between eighteen and thirty right, eighteen and 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.200 thirty five? Why are they so fucking angry? Why because 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:04.120 the system has failed them? Why because we're giving them 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.240 a country that is beyond disrepair? Why because their top 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:12.680 issues are climate change and gun safety and the ability 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.000 to end like economic liberation, none of which we are 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.960 providing for them. And so I think that what is 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.840 problematic is to continually say that there is something wrong 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:27.080 with this generation for demanding better than they've been fucking given. Right, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.479 But I think that the conversation and the narrative switch 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.200 is about we know we have failed you. We want 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.919 the opportunity to make this better with you at the helm. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.439 There is no opportunity to even imagine better if Donald 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.320 Trump and his fucking handmaids and handmaidens get in control 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.159 of the executive branch in this country. There is no 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.040 imagining better. What there is imagining is Tenneman Square happening 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.040 in this country every single fucking day. What is what 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.240 I want people to remember is that when Donald Trump 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.240 decided to use the police force in Washington, DC to 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:08.159 clear Lafayette Square so that he could go take a 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.320 picture in front of a church with a book that 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.040 he doesn't hold, while he had General Madis walking behind him. 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.480 That will be the consistent refrain and picture that you 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.000 see on television every day if these people are allowed 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.800 in office, and guess what, it will be legal. So 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.879 you have to move in a place and with an 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:32.119 administration that presents you with an opportunity of possibility. Donald 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.840 Trump presents the end, and that's what people need to 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.920 coalesce around. But it's not saying, oh, this generation is 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.879 going to this younger generation is going to throw the 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:47.120 country away. It's like, recognize that you failed them, right, 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:51.960 but also explain like where there's possibility and where there isn't. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.879 I think you just put it in the way that 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.439 we have to put it, which is that instead of saying, like, 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.000 what's wrong with this voting group, we have to say 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.560 where do we let them down? And empathize with that 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.400 acknowledged that. Like, I think that would be a really 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.439 powerful move for the Democrats to say, hey, look we 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.320 are acknowledging you know, I don't say they probably can't 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.440 say we failed you, but to say something like we're 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.280 acknowledging that the economy has you know whatever, all these things. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:21.119 And so I think I think acknowledging that is to me, 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.720 that would be a huge step toward getting people back. 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.240 Is not to say, hey, look at this other thing 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.320 and you're going to ruin the country, but to acknowledge, 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.120 to really deeply acknowledge how people have been left down, 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:35.359 I think is actually a brilliant strategy. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.239 The fact is is that you can't, like I was 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.520 listening to Biden, I don't know where he was recently, right, 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:52.720 and He's talking about how great America is, and I'm 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:57.600 just like, at this point, it is so fucking outrageous 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:02.560 to even utter something like that. Right, America is not great, right, 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.760 and it hasn't been great for many, many decades. And 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.119 I'm not saying to say, like where you know, we're 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.560 the worst, where the worst, But I'm saying that where 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.400 you have to get people is imagining that they can 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.040 be a part in making things better and understanding that 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:24.919 this generation generation Z and like and millennials, they're worse 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:28.320 off than their parents are. We've never had a generation 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.679 like that in America. America has always been about the 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:35.560 next generation being better and being able to move the 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:39.440 ball forward. So if you're not acknowledging the absolute despair 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.240 that people are in and why they're not going to 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.680 get married, and why they can't buy homes, and why 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:46.680 they're saddled with debt, and like why they are opting 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.160 out of so many things, because the America that Biden 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:54.399 is talking about they've never seen and they're never going 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.840 to see it, So stop fucking saying it right, allow 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:00.719 them to be a part of what is going to 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.480 make us better knowing that we have lost our way, right. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.560 I really, I really, I really think you're really onto 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.320 something now, which is that the issue is not like 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.440 what the hell's matter with youth? Which I was a 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.760 stereotape iPad I used myself just here, it's it's how 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.440 have we failed you? You know? Just I just think 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:24.240 acknowledging that I mean again because what I keep thinking 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:27.640 and why I sound very hesitant today. In part it's 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.320 because I'm on vacation. I actually slept eight hours two 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:30.800 nights ago. 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:33.840 But we don't know what to do with that. 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.159 I know, I'm just like, oh, maybe I'll go like 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:40.560 walk around the block and water the flowers. But but 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.240 but but it's also that I just I find I 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.520 find myself paralyzed, honestly by this issue because it feels like, 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.639 how are we going to bring back people who have 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.480 been split by such a deep division over the Middle East? 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:56.879 And how are we going to bring back the twenty 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.000 five percent of black and Latino voters who are saying 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.800 they're going to vote for Trump? And how are we 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.359 going to keep that together with all the other people 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.840 who are you know, just regularly like the old people 0:23:08.840 --> 0:23:11.320 who didn't just vote in old elections and stuff like that. 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:15.720 Like so it seems so momentous and and and my 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:19.439 fear is that the Democrats don't have a unifying narrative, 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.440 which you honestly need in a presidential election no matter what. 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.200 And it can't just be Trump is worse. I mean, 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.600 as as true as that is, Trump is worse. But 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.439 I think actually honesty and humility here are the organizing narrative. 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.680 When hearing you talk, I'm like, yeah, let's let's rally 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.560 around that or something like that. Just there's no narrative 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.359 that doesn't let me just finish. The one thing is 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.679 that you're exactly right. The narrative now is aren't things great? 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:50.600 And I think that that, to me is just the 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:54.199 totally wrong startity. That's when I feel like we're the 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:58.199 party of Weekend at Bernie's and we're voting for you know, 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.080 I'm using a lot of movie says today. I love it, 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.560 but I would just say that that's to me, the 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.639 wrong strategy. Just tell people, hey, look at all the 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:10.399 great effort, and it's said to say like, hey man, 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:14.199 this is really incomplete, and there's something you know. I 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:15.880 just think I think there's got to be a way 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.800 to package what you said, because to me, honesty reflecting 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:21.840 where people are at right now is better than trying 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.479 to talk them out of a deep emotion, which never works. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.000