Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Long
Speaker 1: Island Bunker. Folks, you know. On today's conversation with Jonathan,
Speaker 1: we go in on what we think is needed in
Speaker 1: terms of a narrative change from the Democrats.
Speaker 2: What we are seeing right now is that.
Speaker 1: Democrats, Progressives, independents are at a crossroads, and there are
Speaker 1: at a crossroads in terms of whether or not Joe
Speaker 1: Biden is going to be able to carry the water
Speaker 1: for our democracy across the finish line. In twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: I posted a TikTok video recently where the comments have
Speaker 1: shot the shit out of me, with people that follow
Speaker 1: me saying that they're not voting for Biden. Again, I
Speaker 1: am not quite clear as to what people think that
Speaker 1: they are going to be doing if they decide to
Speaker 1: sit home and Donald Trump becomes the last president of
Speaker 1: the United States. I want to be very fucking clear
Speaker 1: about this that this is not the time for your protests.
Speaker 3: Vote.
Speaker 1: You want to protest, you want to march, That's great
Speaker 1: and fine. When we have a president that actually believes
Speaker 1: in democracy, an administration that is open to being pushed.
Speaker 1: But when you are up against an opponent who has
Speaker 1: said that he will throw his political opponents into insane
Speaker 1: asylums where he will indict everyone that is against him,
Speaker 1: that he will put people into camps, and everything that
Speaker 1: he did in his first term that he said he
Speaker 1: was going to do, he did do. Let us believe
Speaker 1: Donald Trump the first fucking time and not be murmuring
Speaker 1: to ourselves while we're all locked up in camp. I
Speaker 1: say this, and I say it not tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1: Hitler did not start with concentration camps. He ended with them.
Speaker 1: He started with rhetoric. He started with a common enemy
Speaker 1: that people rallied behind, which is exactly what Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is doing. So for those that cannot swallow voting for
Speaker 1: Joe Biden, I would like to know how you plan
Speaker 1: on swallowing authoritarianism and what you plan on doing when
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, now with the thanks of Senator Tooperville, has
Speaker 1: two hundred open posts in the military that he can
Speaker 1: fill with his sycophans to then sick our own military
Speaker 1: on the people, which is what Donald Trump wanted to
Speaker 1: do when he was president the first time. But he
Speaker 1: had people like Mattis who said, no, those people will
Speaker 1: be gone. And I need folks to wrap their fucking
Speaker 1: minds around the fact that you are not voting for
Speaker 1: a person, you are voting for democracy to survive. So
Speaker 1: that's the conversation coming up next with our dear friend,
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzol. Folks, you know that whenever we have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak with our friend Jonathan Metsol, we're
Speaker 1: always thrilled for your analysis and insight. And Jonathan, earlier
Speaker 1: this week, well last week, when you all listen to this,
Speaker 1: I posted a TikTok video and in that TikTok video,
Speaker 1: I urged people to not use twenty twenty four for
Speaker 1: their fucking protest votes. That we just do not have
Speaker 1: the ability or the time to be able to say
Speaker 1: that you are not going to vote for the Democrat
Speaker 1: or democracy or democracy ish for that matter, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I am not a fool to believe that the Biden
Speaker 1: administration has made everything great, but what I know for
Speaker 1: certain is that a second term of Donald Trump would
Speaker 1: absolutely destroy anything that we have left that looks like
Speaker 1: democracy in this country. And Jonathan, the comments underneath my
Speaker 1: posts basically are like, I'm not voting for genocide, Joe,
Speaker 1: this is what they are calling him. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, but like, there's no difference between
Speaker 1: Trump and Biden. And it this goes along with the
Speaker 1: polls recently looking at the fact that young people have
Speaker 1: dropped their support for Biden by fifty percent.
Speaker 2: So I just want to get I want to I
Speaker 2: want to ask you.
Speaker 1: We have eleven months, eleven and a half months until
Speaker 1: election twenty twenty four, and what is this signaling to you?
Speaker 3: If there was one word for like the sensation of
Speaker 3: having your pants be on fire, yes, sch middle, schmertz
Speaker 3: or something like that, you know, that would be it.
Speaker 3: I am really I find this incredibly serious, incredibly serious,
Speaker 3: and and but I'm so concerned. Okay, there's the issue itself, right,
Speaker 3: definitely the issue itself, which is that we have to
Speaker 3: figure out how to get back together when, as you
Speaker 3: and I have talked about here, we had a polarizing
Speaker 3: crisis where people automatically filtered onto one You're either one
Speaker 3: side or the other, You're either this or that, and
Speaker 3: it's irreparable. And that something deep happened with the Palmas
Speaker 3: terror attacks and then the war on on on Gaza
Speaker 3: and it's like you're either once or another and it
Speaker 3: just feels irreparable. It's in a way reflection of the
Speaker 3: actual politics itself in the actual Middle East. And so
Speaker 3: but the problem is, unlike in the Middle East, here
Speaker 3: we're part of a coalition that has shared interests in
Speaker 3: this kind tree. See, you would think and if I
Speaker 3: would think, and if that gets if that gets split,
Speaker 3: things are going to get a lot worse in every
Speaker 3: way possible. And one way that people aren't even paying
Speaker 3: attention to, for example, is that right wing judges just
Speaker 3: this week overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 3: So Trump judges are doing damage. I mean literally just
Speaker 3: in the past week. So basically, you know, how like
Speaker 3: the NAACP or somebody can bring a lawsuit against somebody,
Speaker 3: They're not going to be able to do that anymore,
Speaker 3: Like only legal electric officials can bring these big lawsuits
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So a massive proviso to the
Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act fell in a court, in a lower court.
Speaker 3: That's going to go up to the Supreme Court, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: But basically, all the everything we've done, you know, we're
Speaker 3: we're protesting, we're find a lawsuit against gear mandering against whatever.
Speaker 3: That's Trump judges doing that. And then while nobody was looking,
Speaker 3: a massive gun control case came down the pike and overturned.
Speaker 3: I think it was Maryland a bill to like a
Speaker 3: decade old handgun law that said basically, you have to
Speaker 3: get a fingerprint and stuff like that before you get
Speaker 3: a handgun. Now anybody can just go in and get
Speaker 3: a handgun in Maryland. And so they're using the Supreme
Speaker 3: These are extreme Supreme Court issume judges from a court
Speaker 3: that were Trump judges overturning the most basic gun safety laws.
Speaker 3: And so that's just a hint of what would happen
Speaker 3: if Trump won this election. And the implications are just catastrophic.
Speaker 3: But the question is, how are we going to how
Speaker 3: are we going to get that coalition back together when
Speaker 3: we've been split so essentially, And it's not just that
Speaker 3: I feel like, just personally, I don't want to stereotype
Speaker 3: young many young voters are not saying or saying the Democrats,
Speaker 3: I don't support them, but for them, it's also almost
Speaker 3: like an anarchy fantasy that the whole system has to
Speaker 3: be destroyed to be rebuilt or something like that.
Speaker 1: So there's this I mean, here, here's what I will
Speaker 1: say about that, because I have said on this show
Speaker 1: and on many other shows, sometimes many times, that sometimes
Speaker 1: things need to burn all the way to the fucking
Speaker 1: ground in order for us to be able to build
Speaker 1: things back up. I have said this, however, and I
Speaker 1: but you did, and other people have pushed back, and
Speaker 1: I will now push back against myself, recognizing.
Speaker 2: That while we are.
Speaker 1: Here trying to fight against you know, trump Ism, magaism,
Speaker 1: federal courts, federal judges that don't believe in the rule
Speaker 1: of law, that don't believe in democracy, That the world
Speaker 1: is teetering on World War III. And that is not
Speaker 1: that is not me being hyperbolic. That is me parroting
Speaker 1: and listening to of theorists, historians, and other analysts that
Speaker 1: are saying the very same thing. So, given the stakes,
Speaker 1: we do not have the opportunity to use this next
Speaker 1: election as a fucking protest vote. Am I saying that
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is the best person. No, I am fucking not.
Speaker 1: But he is the person that we have. And the
Speaker 1: idea that people would say, just the little hints of
Speaker 1: things that you just rattled off, the idea that people
Speaker 1: don't believe that that would turn into a tsunami that
Speaker 1: would take out the Constitution. I just don't. I don't
Speaker 1: get it. And it makes me really concerned that people
Speaker 1: either did not feel enough pain under the last four
Speaker 1: years of Donald Trump, or they're just like it's worth
Speaker 1: the gamble to see whether or not he actually does
Speaker 1: go so far as to create camps and throw his
Speaker 1: political opponents insane asylums, which all he has been saying,
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 3: You know, thinking about that, burn it all to the ground,
Speaker 3: like I know the fantasy of burn it all to
Speaker 3: the ground is I'm sure you and everybody listening has
Speaker 3: seen the classic nineteen seventies movie Attack of the Killer Tomatoes,
Speaker 3: where the tomatoes come and lay waste to society. Then
Speaker 3: the heroes figure out that tomatoes are killed by listening
Speaker 3: to the song Puberty Love. Only the best people survive.
Speaker 3: And then they come out and there's like a whole
Speaker 3: open field that they can rebuild society. The tomatoes are
Speaker 3: all dead. See this movie. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. It terrible. But the thing is, the
Speaker 3: idea is like, oh, we emerge from our bunker and
Speaker 3: there's an open field and we can build starting like
Speaker 3: a video game, starting at a script. But that ain't what
Speaker 3: burn it to the ground means. Here, burn of the
Speaker 3: ground means you can be burning into the ground. Well,
Speaker 3: you're enemy controls the courts controls, the prisons controls, the
Speaker 3: military controls everything. I mean, why do you think Tommy
Speaker 3: Tuberville is holding out yep, all these positions in the
Speaker 3: military is because then if Trump takes over, he can
Speaker 3: in one day take over the two hundred main positions
Speaker 3: in the military.
Speaker 1: I find that where we are is that everyone has
Speaker 1: forgotten how to play connect the dots, right, which is
Speaker 1: that Tommy Tuberville has been saying, Oh, I'm holding these
Speaker 1: positions hostage because I believe that the United States military
Speaker 1: shouldn't be offering up abortions to service members. Right, That's
Speaker 1: not the fucking reason. The reason is what Jonathan just said,
Speaker 1: that you can hold these positions, these high ranking military
Speaker 1: positions hostage from a Democrat being able to name so
Speaker 1: people that they know espouse the beliefs that are entangled
Speaker 1: in the Constitution and wait for Donald Trump to come
Speaker 1: in and in one sweeping blow instill people who will
Speaker 1: do his bidding. Turn the military against civilians right, that
Speaker 1: he can operationalize the the military against people that he
Speaker 1: does not like. That is what Tommy Twobervilla is doing
Speaker 1: and the reason why Democrats are not like painting this picture.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking understand to just say that it is
Speaker 1: about abortion.
Speaker 2: It's not. It's exactly what Jonathan just said. Continue.
Speaker 3: Well, but again that that suggests that they're I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure Toobervilla is. He doesn't seem to be much
Speaker 3: smarter than a potato as far as I can tell.
Speaker 2: True.
Speaker 3: So so I think what's happening is that there's a
Speaker 3: very complex strategic plan for what's going to happen if
Speaker 3: Trump takes over to exert control like right away and
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. To me, it's terrifying what he's doing,
Speaker 3: not just because of what it is, but because he
Speaker 3: you know, it just suggested there's some higher level organization
Speaker 3: going on, and so I think it would be pretty brutal.
Speaker 3: I'm just getting depressed here, but I guess, but I guess.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about what we talked about last week
Speaker 3: or two weeks ago, which was remember that Cambridge Analytica
Speaker 3: movie that everybody should watch. Yeah, the Great hack or whatever.
Speaker 3: The whole idea was to divide the opposition, to lay
Speaker 3: the groundwork for conservative control and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 3: what's happening here, right that people are being told, oh,
Speaker 3: don't vote because the system doesn't work for you or
Speaker 3: something like that. Like we're being hacked right now. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's there's real things going on obviously, but we're being hacked.
Speaker 3: And so I guess the question is, Danielle, is the
Speaker 3: our coalition? I guess I have three questions for you.
Speaker 3: Is our coalition? Is what's signaling now being signaled now?
Speaker 3: Ultimately the untenability of our coalition? Right? It was a
Speaker 3: very multi racial, multi everything coalition. Is what's signaling now
Speaker 3: that that just wasn't going to work? Is it that
Speaker 3: we're going to call on the power of the diversity
Speaker 3: of our coalition and pull things back together by different
Speaker 3: people pulling in different ways? Or does this suggest that
Speaker 3: Biden shouldn't be the nominee? And to me, there's only really, honestly,
Speaker 3: realistically one other nominee, the vice president. Would somebody else
Speaker 3: do better than Biden? And pulling this all together? Those
Speaker 3: are the right three.
Speaker 2: So here's and I'll answer it.
Speaker 1: With one instead of instead of all three. I believe
Speaker 1: that what this signals is that Democrats have oftentimes allowed
Speaker 1: perfect to get in the way of decent. And right now,
Speaker 1: what we need is decent. We don't need perfect, we
Speaker 1: don't even need good. Need somebody that can usher us through.
Speaker 1: And people have said, like, well, I thought that Biden
Speaker 1: was going to be a bridge candidate, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: Biden never said that he was going to go for
Speaker 1: one term. Nor do I think that Kamala Harris, a
Speaker 1: black woman, a woman of color, is going to be
Speaker 1: able to bring this racist ass country back together, being
Speaker 1: as how this administration has hit her for most of
Speaker 1: the four years until like they need her to unveil
Speaker 1: a plan for HBCUs. And so what I believe is
Speaker 1: that people need to understand and come together and recognize
Speaker 1: that you are not voting for a person, that you
Speaker 1: are voting for the continuation of democracy as imperfect as
Speaker 1: it fucking is, right, but that the alternative is not
Speaker 1: going to give you another bite at the apple. So
Speaker 1: you want to decide whether it's Jill Stein or fucking
Speaker 1: Kennedy or whomever it is that you want to decide
Speaker 1: that you want to throw away your vote for recognize
Speaker 1: that you're throwing away your vote for an eternity because
Speaker 1: you don't have the opportunity to vote. If a Donald
Speaker 1: Trump puts his hand on that Bible one last time
Speaker 1: spells out American carnage in January twenty twenty five, and
Speaker 1: you think that, oh, it'll just be four years. No,
Speaker 1: it will be the next four hundred. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing that people need to coalesce around. It is not
Speaker 1: a fucking person, right, because we don't have a person
Speaker 1: worthy of people coming together around. What we have is
Speaker 1: the idea of the continuation of this imperfect ideology, which
Speaker 1: is democracy. And if America falls, everything else will be
Speaker 1: a domino effect after that into destruction. That's my answer.
Speaker 3: Is that a generalizable message? Do you think right now?
Speaker 3: In other words, like if people are like I think
Speaker 3: the generational disconnect of course completely beyond agree with you,
Speaker 3: and I think we need to be shouting this every
Speaker 3: minute we can, going forward all the time forever. I
Speaker 3: think the disconnect is I mean, like I'm thinking about, like,
Speaker 3: is there a generational problem with that message? Is that
Speaker 3: a message that people are going to hear when there's
Speaker 3: a when there's like I'm thinking of Argentina, for example,
Speaker 3: where it was actually young voters who, like people in
Speaker 3: Argentina right now are shocked and they're depressed and they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, how did this happen? But it was
Speaker 3: the young voters who said, this guy's going to come
Speaker 3: in and tear down the entire government and that's exactly
Speaker 3: what we want. It was a really powerful message to
Speaker 3: young voters. And so I don't know, it seems like
Speaker 3: the scariest demographic now is the eighteen to whatever twenty nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I don't think that they're
Speaker 1: the scariest demographic. I think that they're the demographic that
Speaker 1: has been failed the most. And when people so I
Speaker 1: think that when we're I think that the language that
Speaker 1: we're using is important and understanding. Why are why are
Speaker 1: folks that are between eighteen and thirty right, eighteen and
Speaker 1: thirty five? Why are they so fucking angry? Why because
Speaker 1: the system has failed them? Why because we're giving them
Speaker 1: a country that is beyond disrepair? Why because their top
Speaker 1: issues are climate change and gun safety and the ability
Speaker 1: to end like economic liberation, none of which we are
Speaker 1: providing for them. And so I think that what is
Speaker 1: problematic is to continually say that there is something wrong
Speaker 1: with this generation for demanding better than they've been fucking given. Right,
Speaker 1: But I think that the conversation and the narrative switch
Speaker 1: is about we know we have failed you. We want
Speaker 1: the opportunity to make this better with you at the helm.
Speaker 1: There is no opportunity to even imagine better if Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and his fucking handmaids and handmaidens get in control
Speaker 1: of the executive branch in this country. There is no
Speaker 1: imagining better. What there is imagining is Tenneman Square happening
Speaker 1: in this country every single fucking day. What is what
Speaker 1: I want people to remember is that when Donald Trump
Speaker 1: decided to use the police force in Washington, DC to
Speaker 1: clear Lafayette Square so that he could go take a
Speaker 1: picture in front of a church with a book that
Speaker 1: he doesn't hold, while he had General Madis walking behind him.
Speaker 1: That will be the consistent refrain and picture that you
Speaker 1: see on television every day if these people are allowed
Speaker 1: in office, and guess what, it will be legal. So
Speaker 1: you have to move in a place and with an
Speaker 1: administration that presents you with an opportunity of possibility. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump presents the end, and that's what people need to
Speaker 1: coalesce around. But it's not saying, oh, this generation is
Speaker 1: going to this younger generation is going to throw the
Speaker 1: country away. It's like, recognize that you failed them, right,
Speaker 1: but also explain like where there's possibility and where there isn't.
Speaker 3: I think you just put it in the way that
Speaker 3: we have to put it, which is that instead of saying, like,
Speaker 3: what's wrong with this voting group, we have to say
Speaker 3: where do we let them down? And empathize with that
Speaker 3: acknowledged that. Like, I think that would be a really
Speaker 3: powerful move for the Democrats to say, hey, look we
Speaker 3: are acknowledging you know, I don't say they probably can't
Speaker 3: say we failed you, but to say something like we're
Speaker 3: acknowledging that the economy has you know whatever, all these things.
Speaker 3: And so I think I think acknowledging that is to me,
Speaker 3: that would be a huge step toward getting people back.
Speaker 3: Is not to say, hey, look at this other thing
Speaker 3: and you're going to ruin the country, but to acknowledge,
Speaker 3: to really deeply acknowledge how people have been left down,
Speaker 3: I think is actually a brilliant strategy.
Speaker 1: The fact is is that you can't, like I was
Speaker 1: listening to Biden, I don't know where he was recently, right,
Speaker 1: and He's talking about how great America is, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, at this point, it is so fucking outrageous
Speaker 1: to even utter something like that. Right, America is not great, right,
Speaker 1: and it hasn't been great for many, many decades. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying to say, like where you know, we're
Speaker 1: the worst, where the worst, But I'm saying that where
Speaker 1: you have to get people is imagining that they can
Speaker 1: be a part in making things better and understanding that
Speaker 1: this generation generation Z and like and millennials, they're worse
Speaker 1: off than their parents are. We've never had a generation
Speaker 1: like that in America. America has always been about the
Speaker 1: next generation being better and being able to move the
Speaker 1: ball forward. So if you're not acknowledging the absolute despair
Speaker 1: that people are in and why they're not going to
Speaker 1: get married, and why they can't buy homes, and why
Speaker 1: they're saddled with debt, and like why they are opting
Speaker 1: out of so many things, because the America that Biden
Speaker 1: is talking about they've never seen and they're never going
Speaker 1: to see it, So stop fucking saying it right, allow
Speaker 1: them to be a part of what is going to
Speaker 1: make us better knowing that we have lost our way, right.
Speaker 3: I really, I really, I really think you're really onto
Speaker 3: something now, which is that the issue is not like
Speaker 3: what the hell's matter with youth? Which I was a
Speaker 3: stereotape iPad I used myself just here, it's it's how
Speaker 3: have we failed you? You know? Just I just think
Speaker 3: acknowledging that I mean again because what I keep thinking
Speaker 3: and why I sound very hesitant today. In part it's
Speaker 3: because I'm on vacation. I actually slept eight hours two
Speaker 3: nights ago.
Speaker 2: But we don't know what to do with that.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm just like, oh, maybe I'll go like
Speaker 3: walk around the block and water the flowers. But but
Speaker 3: but but it's also that I just I find I
Speaker 3: find myself paralyzed, honestly by this issue because it feels like,
Speaker 3: how are we going to bring back people who have
Speaker 3: been split by such a deep division over the Middle East?
Speaker 3: And how are we going to bring back the twenty
Speaker 3: five percent of black and Latino voters who are saying
Speaker 3: they're going to vote for Trump? And how are we
Speaker 3: going to keep that together with all the other people
Speaker 3: who are you know, just regularly like the old people
Speaker 3: who didn't just vote in old elections and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Like so it seems so momentous and and and my
Speaker 3: fear is that the Democrats don't have a unifying narrative,
Speaker 3: which you honestly need in a presidential election no matter what.
Speaker 3: And it can't just be Trump is worse. I mean,
Speaker 3: as as true as that is, Trump is worse. But
Speaker 3: I think actually honesty and humility here are the organizing narrative.
Speaker 3: When hearing you talk, I'm like, yeah, let's let's rally
Speaker 3: around that or something like that. Just there's no narrative
Speaker 3: that doesn't let me just finish. The one thing is
Speaker 3: that you're exactly right. The narrative now is aren't things great?
Speaker 3: And I think that that, to me is just the
Speaker 3: totally wrong startity. That's when I feel like we're the
Speaker 3: party of Weekend at Bernie's and we're voting for you know,
Speaker 3: I'm using a lot of movie says today. I love it,
Speaker 3: but I would just say that that's to me, the
Speaker 3: wrong strategy. Just tell people, hey, look at all the
Speaker 3: great effort, and it's said to say like, hey man,
Speaker 3: this is really incomplete, and there's something you know. I
Speaker 3: just think I think there's got to be a way
Speaker 3: to package what you said, because to me, honesty reflecting
Speaker 3: where people are at right now is better than trying
Speaker 3: to talk them out of a deep emotion, which never works.
Speaker 1: And to that point, like, think about what Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: message has been over the last nine years, which is
Speaker 1: to make America great again. Right, it's the IEA, it's
Speaker 1: him acknowledging but for white people, for straight CITs of
Speaker 1: white men, that America is not living up to what
Speaker 1: it has promised you, right, and so we need to
Speaker 1: make it better again by getting rid of all of
Speaker 1: these people. And what I'm saying is we need a
Speaker 1: modernized Clinton message, which Clinton said that there is nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with America that can't be fixed with by what
Speaker 1: is right with America. And that's actually like the Democrat's
Speaker 1: message and should be true is that like you are
Speaker 1: our possibility to make things better. So how do we
Speaker 1: listen to this younger generation and allow them to seat
Speaker 1: at the table and allow them to feel like what
Speaker 1: we know to be true is that we have failed.
Speaker 1: But what we also know is that each generation presents
Speaker 1: the possibility. And that's who you are, right, Like that's
Speaker 1: how you invigorate people, not like Donald Trump's been able
Speaker 1: to invigorate his base by yesteryear. And where we have
Speaker 1: to invigorate people is by future possibility, recognizing that the
Speaker 1: present has robbed them in many ways of what past
Speaker 1: generations has had. And so like, I'm like, let's just
Speaker 1: stop fucking lying, right, Like, let's stop lying, and let's
Speaker 1: stop presenting this narrative that like America is beyond reproach
Speaker 1: when everyone walking around finally recognizes that, like, oh, actually no,
Speaker 1: we've been lied to. Final thoughts, Jonathan, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, the thing about Bill Clinton was it was Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton making that message, and so this is going to
Speaker 3: have to be many messengers who make this message, right
Speaker 3: because Biden is also for many people a symbol of
Speaker 3: the other America that you're talking about, and so it's
Speaker 3: it's really going to have to be a much more
Speaker 3: atomized approach, I think. But I do think that we're
Speaker 3: onto something here, which is that that that really has
Speaker 3: to be that some kind of acknowledgment, some kind of
Speaker 3: acknowledgement has to be a frame. And again, it's just
Speaker 3: it's just pretty urgent because there's a huge task in
Speaker 3: front of all of us right now. It's not as
Speaker 3: Biden and task in front of alledge was over the
Speaker 3: next eleven months. How are we going to sew this
Speaker 3: back together? You know, I think, as you know, I'm
Speaker 3: involved in Middle East politics really closely. I've done physicians
Speaker 3: for human rights for a long time, and I can
Speaker 3: just tell you I remember, I remember the days after
Speaker 3: the last Israeli election where everybody thought that their democracy
Speaker 3: was going to last forever. And then the day Nitanya
Speaker 3: who won two days later, when he started with that,
Speaker 3: you know, they realized that that judicial reform stuff was
Speaker 3: going to be real and a right winger was going
Speaker 3: to take over the courts and they did open gun laws.
Speaker 3: People were, I mean, dear friends of mine were like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, I can't believe this happened. And it's like
Speaker 3: it happened in two days. And I have friends from
Speaker 3: Argentina who are like, our government has destroyed, our country
Speaker 3: is destroyed. It happened literally in two days. It happens
Speaker 3: very fast and so and it's not like they're not
Speaker 3: good or bad people. I mean, there are tons of
Speaker 3: good people in Centrists and liberals in all these countries
Speaker 3: who are the protest movement but it just happens really quickly.
Speaker 3: And part of the issue is the opposition is divided,
Speaker 3: and people don't think it's actually going to happen, and
Speaker 3: then it happens, and it's because the opposition is divided,
Speaker 3: and so we really this is a huge task and
Speaker 3: I think a really really important one.
Speaker 1: As always, my friend Jonathan, appreciate your analysis and inside
Speaker 1: and we will pick up this conversation again because the
Speaker 1: message and the messengers matter as.
Speaker 2: We march forward. Appreciate you, thank you, thank you. That
Speaker 2: is it for me today.
Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke A app as always power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people.
Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.