1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Long 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Island Bunker. Folks, you know. On today's conversation with Jonathan, 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: we go in on what we think is needed in 5 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: terms of a narrative change from the Democrats. 6 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: What we are seeing right now is that. 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: Democrats, Progressives, independents are at a crossroads, and there are 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: at a crossroads in terms of whether or not Joe 9 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: Biden is going to be able to carry the water 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: for our democracy across the finish line. In twenty twenty four, 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: I posted a TikTok video recently where the comments have 12 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: shot the shit out of me, with people that follow 13 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: me saying that they're not voting for Biden. Again, I 14 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: am not quite clear as to what people think that 15 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: they are going to be doing if they decide to 16 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: sit home and Donald Trump becomes the last president of 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: the United States. I want to be very fucking clear 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: about this that this is not the time for your protests. 19 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 3: Vote. 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: You want to protest, you want to march, That's great 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: and fine. When we have a president that actually believes 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: in democracy, an administration that is open to being pushed. 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: But when you are up against an opponent who has 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 1: said that he will throw his political opponents into insane 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: asylums where he will indict everyone that is against him, 26 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: that he will put people into camps, and everything that 27 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: he did in his first term that he said he 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: was going to do, he did do. Let us believe 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump the first fucking time and not be murmuring 30 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: to ourselves while we're all locked up in camp. I 31 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: say this, and I say it not tongue in cheek. 32 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: Hitler did not start with concentration camps. He ended with them. 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: He started with rhetoric. He started with a common enemy 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: that people rallied behind, which is exactly what Donald Trump 35 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: is doing. So for those that cannot swallow voting for 36 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, I would like to know how you plan 37 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: on swallowing authoritarianism and what you plan on doing when 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, now with the thanks of Senator Tooperville, has 39 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: two hundred open posts in the military that he can 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: fill with his sycophans to then sick our own military 41 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: on the people, which is what Donald Trump wanted to 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: do when he was president the first time. But he 43 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: had people like Mattis who said, no, those people will 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: be gone. And I need folks to wrap their fucking 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: minds around the fact that you are not voting for 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: a person, you are voting for democracy to survive. So 47 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: that's the conversation coming up next with our dear friend, 48 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Metzol. Folks, you know that whenever we have 49 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak with our friend Jonathan Metsol, we're 50 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: always thrilled for your analysis and insight. And Jonathan, earlier 51 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: this week, well last week, when you all listen to this, 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: I posted a TikTok video and in that TikTok video, 53 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: I urged people to not use twenty twenty four for 54 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: their fucking protest votes. That we just do not have 55 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: the ability or the time to be able to say 56 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: that you are not going to vote for the Democrat 57 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: or democracy or democracy ish for that matter, right, Like, 58 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I am not a fool to believe that the Biden 59 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: administration has made everything great, but what I know for 60 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: certain is that a second term of Donald Trump would 61 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: absolutely destroy anything that we have left that looks like 62 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: democracy in this country. And Jonathan, the comments underneath my 63 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: posts basically are like, I'm not voting for genocide, Joe, 64 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: this is what they are calling him. I don't know 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: what you're talking about, but like, there's no difference between 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: Trump and Biden. And it this goes along with the 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: polls recently looking at the fact that young people have 68 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: dropped their support for Biden by fifty percent. 69 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: So I just want to get I want to I 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: want to ask you. 71 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: We have eleven months, eleven and a half months until 72 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: election twenty twenty four, and what is this signaling to you? 73 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: If there was one word for like the sensation of 74 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: having your pants be on fire, yes, sch middle, schmertz 75 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 3: or something like that, you know, that would be it. 76 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 3: I am really I find this incredibly serious, incredibly serious, 77 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 3: and and but I'm so concerned. Okay, there's the issue itself, right, 78 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: definitely the issue itself, which is that we have to 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: figure out how to get back together when, as you 80 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: and I have talked about here, we had a polarizing 81 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: crisis where people automatically filtered onto one You're either one 82 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: side or the other, You're either this or that, and 83 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: it's irreparable. And that something deep happened with the Palmas 84 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: terror attacks and then the war on on on Gaza 85 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: and it's like you're either once or another and it 86 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: just feels irreparable. It's in a way reflection of the 87 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: actual politics itself in the actual Middle East. And so 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: but the problem is, unlike in the Middle East, here 89 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: we're part of a coalition that has shared interests in 90 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: this kind tree. See, you would think and if I 91 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: would think, and if that gets if that gets split, 92 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: things are going to get a lot worse in every 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: way possible. And one way that people aren't even paying 94 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: attention to, for example, is that right wing judges just 95 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: this week overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act. 96 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 3: So Trump judges are doing damage. I mean literally just 97 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: in the past week. So basically, you know, how like 98 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: the NAACP or somebody can bring a lawsuit against somebody, 99 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: They're not going to be able to do that anymore, 100 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 3: Like only legal electric officials can bring these big lawsuits 101 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So a massive proviso to the 102 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act fell in a court, in a lower court. 103 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 3: That's going to go up to the Supreme Court, I'm sure. 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: But basically, all the everything we've done, you know, we're 105 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 3: we're protesting, we're find a lawsuit against gear mandering against whatever. 106 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: That's Trump judges doing that. And then while nobody was looking, 107 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: a massive gun control case came down the pike and overturned. 108 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: I think it was Maryland a bill to like a 109 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 3: decade old handgun law that said basically, you have to 110 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: get a fingerprint and stuff like that before you get 111 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: a handgun. Now anybody can just go in and get 112 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 3: a handgun in Maryland. And so they're using the Supreme 113 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: These are extreme Supreme Court issume judges from a court 114 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: that were Trump judges overturning the most basic gun safety laws. 115 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: And so that's just a hint of what would happen 116 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: if Trump won this election. And the implications are just catastrophic. 117 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: But the question is, how are we going to how 118 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: are we going to get that coalition back together when 119 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 3: we've been split so essentially, And it's not just that 120 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: I feel like, just personally, I don't want to stereotype 121 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,679 Speaker 3: young many young voters are not saying or saying the Democrats, 122 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: I don't support them, but for them, it's also almost 123 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: like an anarchy fantasy that the whole system has to 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: be destroyed to be rebuilt or something like that. 125 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: So there's this I mean, here, here's what I will 126 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: say about that, because I have said on this show 127 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: and on many other shows, sometimes many times, that sometimes 128 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: things need to burn all the way to the fucking 129 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: ground in order for us to be able to build 130 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: things back up. I have said this, however, and I 131 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: but you did, and other people have pushed back, and 132 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: I will now push back against myself, recognizing. 133 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 2: That while we are. 134 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: Here trying to fight against you know, trump Ism, magaism, 135 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: federal courts, federal judges that don't believe in the rule 136 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: of law, that don't believe in democracy, That the world 137 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: is teetering on World War III. And that is not 138 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: that is not me being hyperbolic. That is me parroting 139 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: and listening to of theorists, historians, and other analysts that 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: are saying the very same thing. So, given the stakes, 141 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: we do not have the opportunity to use this next 142 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: election as a fucking protest vote. Am I saying that 143 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is the best person. No, I am fucking not. 144 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: But he is the person that we have. And the 145 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: idea that people would say, just the little hints of 146 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: things that you just rattled off, the idea that people 147 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: don't believe that that would turn into a tsunami that 148 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: would take out the Constitution. I just don't. I don't 149 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: get it. And it makes me really concerned that people 150 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: either did not feel enough pain under the last four 151 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: years of Donald Trump, or they're just like it's worth 152 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: the gamble to see whether or not he actually does 153 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: go so far as to create camps and throw his 154 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: political opponents insane asylums, which all he has been saying, 155 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: by the way. 156 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 3: You know, thinking about that, burn it all to the ground, 157 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 3: like I know the fantasy of burn it all to 158 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: the ground is I'm sure you and everybody listening has 159 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: seen the classic nineteen seventies movie Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, 160 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: where the tomatoes come and lay waste to society. Then 161 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: the heroes figure out that tomatoes are killed by listening 162 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 3: to the song Puberty Love. Only the best people survive. 163 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: And then they come out and there's like a whole 164 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: open field that they can rebuild society. The tomatoes are 165 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: all dead. See this movie. If you haven't seen it, 166 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. It terrible. But the thing is, the 167 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: idea is like, oh, we emerge from our bunker and 168 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: there's an open field and we can build starting like 169 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: a video game, starting at a script. But that ain't what 170 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 3: burn it to the ground means. Here, burn of the 171 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: ground means you can be burning into the ground. Well, 172 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: you're enemy controls the courts controls, the prisons controls, the 173 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: military controls everything. I mean, why do you think Tommy 174 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: Tuberville is holding out yep, all these positions in the 175 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: military is because then if Trump takes over, he can 176 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 3: in one day take over the two hundred main positions 177 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: in the military. 178 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: I find that where we are is that everyone has 179 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: forgotten how to play connect the dots, right, which is 180 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: that Tommy Tuberville has been saying, Oh, I'm holding these 181 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: positions hostage because I believe that the United States military 182 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: shouldn't be offering up abortions to service members. Right, That's 183 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: not the fucking reason. The reason is what Jonathan just said, 184 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: that you can hold these positions, these high ranking military 185 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: positions hostage from a Democrat being able to name so 186 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: people that they know espouse the beliefs that are entangled 187 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: in the Constitution and wait for Donald Trump to come 188 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: in and in one sweeping blow instill people who will 189 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: do his bidding. Turn the military against civilians right, that 190 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: he can operationalize the the military against people that he 191 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: does not like. That is what Tommy Twobervilla is doing 192 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: and the reason why Democrats are not like painting this picture. 193 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: I don't fucking understand to just say that it is 194 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: about abortion. 195 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: It's not. It's exactly what Jonathan just said. Continue. 196 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: Well, but again that that suggests that they're I mean, 197 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 3: I'm sure Toobervilla is. He doesn't seem to be much 198 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: smarter than a potato as far as I can tell. 199 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: True. 200 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: So so I think what's happening is that there's a 201 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: very complex strategic plan for what's going to happen if 202 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 3: Trump takes over to exert control like right away and 203 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. To me, it's terrifying what he's doing, 204 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: not just because of what it is, but because he 205 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: you know, it just suggested there's some higher level organization 206 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: going on, and so I think it would be pretty brutal. 207 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: I'm just getting depressed here, but I guess, but I guess. 208 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about what we talked about last week 209 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 3: or two weeks ago, which was remember that Cambridge Analytica 210 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: movie that everybody should watch. Yeah, the Great hack or whatever. 211 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 3: The whole idea was to divide the opposition, to lay 212 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 3: the groundwork for conservative control and stuff like that. That's 213 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 3: what's happening here, right that people are being told, oh, 214 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 3: don't vote because the system doesn't work for you or 215 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 3: something like that. Like we're being hacked right now. I mean, 216 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: there's there's real things going on obviously, but we're being hacked. 217 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 3: And so I guess the question is, Danielle, is the 218 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: our coalition? I guess I have three questions for you. 219 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: Is our coalition? Is what's signaling now being signaled now? 220 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 3: Ultimately the untenability of our coalition? Right? It was a 221 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: very multi racial, multi everything coalition. Is what's signaling now 222 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: that that just wasn't going to work? Is it that 223 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: we're going to call on the power of the diversity 224 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: of our coalition and pull things back together by different 225 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: people pulling in different ways? Or does this suggest that 226 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: Biden shouldn't be the nominee? And to me, there's only really, honestly, 227 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: realistically one other nominee, the vice president. Would somebody else 228 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: do better than Biden? And pulling this all together? Those 229 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: are the right three. 230 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: So here's and I'll answer it. 231 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: With one instead of instead of all three. I believe 232 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: that what this signals is that Democrats have oftentimes allowed 233 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: perfect to get in the way of decent. And right now, 234 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: what we need is decent. We don't need perfect, we 235 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: don't even need good. Need somebody that can usher us through. 236 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: And people have said, like, well, I thought that Biden 237 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: was going to be a bridge candidate, and I'm like, 238 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Biden never said that he was going to go for 239 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: one term. Nor do I think that Kamala Harris, a 240 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: black woman, a woman of color, is going to be 241 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: able to bring this racist ass country back together, being 242 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: as how this administration has hit her for most of 243 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: the four years until like they need her to unveil 244 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: a plan for HBCUs. And so what I believe is 245 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: that people need to understand and come together and recognize 246 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: that you are not voting for a person, that you 247 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: are voting for the continuation of democracy as imperfect as 248 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: it fucking is, right, but that the alternative is not 249 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: going to give you another bite at the apple. So 250 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: you want to decide whether it's Jill Stein or fucking 251 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Kennedy or whomever it is that you want to decide 252 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: that you want to throw away your vote for recognize 253 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: that you're throwing away your vote for an eternity because 254 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: you don't have the opportunity to vote. If a Donald 255 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: Trump puts his hand on that Bible one last time 256 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: spells out American carnage in January twenty twenty five, and 257 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: you think that, oh, it'll just be four years. No, 258 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: it will be the next four hundred. So that's the 259 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: thing that people need to coalesce around. It is not 260 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: a fucking person, right, because we don't have a person 261 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: worthy of people coming together around. What we have is 262 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: the idea of the continuation of this imperfect ideology, which 263 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: is democracy. And if America falls, everything else will be 264 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: a domino effect after that into destruction. That's my answer. 265 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: Is that a generalizable message? Do you think right now? 266 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: In other words, like if people are like I think 267 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: the generational disconnect of course completely beyond agree with you, 268 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: and I think we need to be shouting this every 269 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 3: minute we can, going forward all the time forever. I 270 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: think the disconnect is I mean, like I'm thinking about, like, 271 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: is there a generational problem with that message? Is that 272 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: a message that people are going to hear when there's 273 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: a when there's like I'm thinking of Argentina, for example, 274 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: where it was actually young voters who, like people in 275 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: Argentina right now are shocked and they're depressed and they're like, 276 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: oh my god, how did this happen? But it was 277 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 3: the young voters who said, this guy's going to come 278 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: in and tear down the entire government and that's exactly 279 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: what we want. It was a really powerful message to 280 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 3: young voters. And so I don't know, it seems like 281 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 3: the scariest demographic now is the eighteen to whatever twenty nine. 282 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that I don't think that they're 283 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: the scariest demographic. I think that they're the demographic that 284 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: has been failed the most. And when people so I 285 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: think that when we're I think that the language that 286 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: we're using is important and understanding. Why are why are 287 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: folks that are between eighteen and thirty right, eighteen and 288 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: thirty five? Why are they so fucking angry? Why because 289 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: the system has failed them? Why because we're giving them 290 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: a country that is beyond disrepair? Why because their top 291 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: issues are climate change and gun safety and the ability 292 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: to end like economic liberation, none of which we are 293 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: providing for them. And so I think that what is 294 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: problematic is to continually say that there is something wrong 295 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: with this generation for demanding better than they've been fucking given. Right, 296 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 1: But I think that the conversation and the narrative switch 297 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: is about we know we have failed you. We want 298 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: the opportunity to make this better with you at the helm. 299 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: There is no opportunity to even imagine better if Donald 300 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: Trump and his fucking handmaids and handmaidens get in control 301 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: of the executive branch in this country. There is no 302 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: imagining better. What there is imagining is Tenneman Square happening 303 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: in this country every single fucking day. What is what 304 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: I want people to remember is that when Donald Trump 305 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: decided to use the police force in Washington, DC to 306 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: clear Lafayette Square so that he could go take a 307 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: picture in front of a church with a book that 308 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: he doesn't hold, while he had General Madis walking behind him. 309 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: That will be the consistent refrain and picture that you 310 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: see on television every day if these people are allowed 311 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: in office, and guess what, it will be legal. So 312 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: you have to move in a place and with an 313 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: administration that presents you with an opportunity of possibility. Donald 314 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: Trump presents the end, and that's what people need to 315 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: coalesce around. But it's not saying, oh, this generation is 316 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: going to this younger generation is going to throw the 317 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: country away. It's like, recognize that you failed them, right, 318 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: but also explain like where there's possibility and where there isn't. 319 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 3: I think you just put it in the way that 320 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: we have to put it, which is that instead of saying, like, 321 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: what's wrong with this voting group, we have to say 322 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: where do we let them down? And empathize with that 323 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 3: acknowledged that. Like, I think that would be a really 324 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 3: powerful move for the Democrats to say, hey, look we 325 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: are acknowledging you know, I don't say they probably can't 326 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 3: say we failed you, but to say something like we're 327 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: acknowledging that the economy has you know whatever, all these things. 328 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: And so I think I think acknowledging that is to me, 329 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 3: that would be a huge step toward getting people back. 330 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: Is not to say, hey, look at this other thing 331 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: and you're going to ruin the country, but to acknowledge, 332 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 3: to really deeply acknowledge how people have been left down, 333 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: I think is actually a brilliant strategy. 334 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: The fact is is that you can't, like I was 335 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: listening to Biden, I don't know where he was recently, right, 336 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: and He's talking about how great America is, and I'm 337 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: just like, at this point, it is so fucking outrageous 338 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: to even utter something like that. Right, America is not great, right, 339 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: and it hasn't been great for many, many decades. And 340 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm not saying to say, like where you know, we're 341 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: the worst, where the worst, But I'm saying that where 342 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: you have to get people is imagining that they can 343 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: be a part in making things better and understanding that 344 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: this generation generation Z and like and millennials, they're worse 345 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: off than their parents are. We've never had a generation 346 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: like that in America. America has always been about the 347 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: next generation being better and being able to move the 348 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: ball forward. So if you're not acknowledging the absolute despair 349 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: that people are in and why they're not going to 350 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: get married, and why they can't buy homes, and why 351 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: they're saddled with debt, and like why they are opting 352 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: out of so many things, because the America that Biden 353 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: is talking about they've never seen and they're never going 354 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: to see it, So stop fucking saying it right, allow 355 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: them to be a part of what is going to 356 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: make us better knowing that we have lost our way, right. 357 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: I really, I really, I really think you're really onto 358 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: something now, which is that the issue is not like 359 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 3: what the hell's matter with youth? Which I was a 360 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: stereotape iPad I used myself just here, it's it's how 361 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: have we failed you? You know? Just I just think 362 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: acknowledging that I mean again because what I keep thinking 363 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 3: and why I sound very hesitant today. In part it's 364 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 3: because I'm on vacation. I actually slept eight hours two 365 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: nights ago. 366 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: But we don't know what to do with that. 367 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 3: I know, I'm just like, oh, maybe I'll go like 368 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 3: walk around the block and water the flowers. But but 369 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: but but it's also that I just I find I 370 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: find myself paralyzed, honestly by this issue because it feels like, 371 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: how are we going to bring back people who have 372 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: been split by such a deep division over the Middle East? 373 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: And how are we going to bring back the twenty 374 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: five percent of black and Latino voters who are saying 375 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 3: they're going to vote for Trump? And how are we 376 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: going to keep that together with all the other people 377 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: who are you know, just regularly like the old people 378 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: who didn't just vote in old elections and stuff like that. 379 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: Like so it seems so momentous and and and my 380 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 3: fear is that the Democrats don't have a unifying narrative, 381 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: which you honestly need in a presidential election no matter what. 382 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 3: And it can't just be Trump is worse. I mean, 383 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 3: as as true as that is, Trump is worse. But 384 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 3: I think actually honesty and humility here are the organizing narrative. 385 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 3: When hearing you talk, I'm like, yeah, let's let's rally 386 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: around that or something like that. Just there's no narrative 387 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: that doesn't let me just finish. The one thing is 388 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: that you're exactly right. The narrative now is aren't things great? 389 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: And I think that that, to me is just the 390 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 3: totally wrong startity. That's when I feel like we're the 391 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 3: party of Weekend at Bernie's and we're voting for you know, 392 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: I'm using a lot of movie says today. I love it, 393 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: but I would just say that that's to me, the 394 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: wrong strategy. Just tell people, hey, look at all the 395 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: great effort, and it's said to say like, hey man, 396 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: this is really incomplete, and there's something you know. I 397 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: just think I think there's got to be a way 398 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: to package what you said, because to me, honesty reflecting 399 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: where people are at right now is better than trying 400 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,479 Speaker 3: to talk them out of a deep emotion, which never works. 401 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: And to that point, like, think about what Donald Trump's 402 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: message has been over the last nine years, which is 403 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: to make America great again. Right, it's the IEA, it's 404 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: him acknowledging but for white people, for straight CITs of 405 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: white men, that America is not living up to what 406 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: it has promised you, right, and so we need to 407 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: make it better again by getting rid of all of 408 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: these people. And what I'm saying is we need a 409 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: modernized Clinton message, which Clinton said that there is nothing 410 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: wrong with America that can't be fixed with by what 411 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: is right with America. And that's actually like the Democrat's 412 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: message and should be true is that like you are 413 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: our possibility to make things better. So how do we 414 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: listen to this younger generation and allow them to seat 415 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: at the table and allow them to feel like what 416 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: we know to be true is that we have failed. 417 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: But what we also know is that each generation presents 418 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: the possibility. And that's who you are, right, Like that's 419 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: how you invigorate people, not like Donald Trump's been able 420 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: to invigorate his base by yesteryear. And where we have 421 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: to invigorate people is by future possibility, recognizing that the 422 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: present has robbed them in many ways of what past 423 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: generations has had. And so like, I'm like, let's just 424 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: stop fucking lying, right, Like, let's stop lying, and let's 425 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: stop presenting this narrative that like America is beyond reproach 426 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: when everyone walking around finally recognizes that, like, oh, actually no, 427 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: we've been lied to. Final thoughts, Jonathan, I. 428 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 3: Mean, the thing about Bill Clinton was it was Bill 429 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: Clinton making that message, and so this is going to 430 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: have to be many messengers who make this message, right 431 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: because Biden is also for many people a symbol of 432 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: the other America that you're talking about, and so it's 433 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: it's really going to have to be a much more 434 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 3: atomized approach, I think. But I do think that we're 435 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: onto something here, which is that that that really has 436 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 3: to be that some kind of acknowledgment, some kind of 437 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: acknowledgement has to be a frame. And again, it's just 438 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: it's just pretty urgent because there's a huge task in 439 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 3: front of all of us right now. It's not as 440 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: Biden and task in front of alledge was over the 441 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 3: next eleven months. How are we going to sew this 442 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 3: back together? You know, I think, as you know, I'm 443 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: involved in Middle East politics really closely. I've done physicians 444 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: for human rights for a long time, and I can 445 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: just tell you I remember, I remember the days after 446 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 3: the last Israeli election where everybody thought that their democracy 447 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 3: was going to last forever. And then the day Nitanya 448 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: who won two days later, when he started with that, 449 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 3: you know, they realized that that judicial reform stuff was 450 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: going to be real and a right winger was going 451 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 3: to take over the courts and they did open gun laws. 452 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 3: People were, I mean, dear friends of mine were like, 453 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 3: holy shit, I can't believe this happened. And it's like 454 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: it happened in two days. And I have friends from 455 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: Argentina who are like, our government has destroyed, our country 456 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: is destroyed. It happened literally in two days. It happens 457 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: very fast and so and it's not like they're not 458 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: good or bad people. I mean, there are tons of 459 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: good people in Centrists and liberals in all these countries 460 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: who are the protest movement but it just happens really quickly. 461 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: And part of the issue is the opposition is divided, 462 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: and people don't think it's actually going to happen, and 463 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 3: then it happens, and it's because the opposition is divided, 464 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 3: and so we really this is a huge task and 465 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 3: I think a really really important one. 466 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: As always, my friend Jonathan, appreciate your analysis and inside 467 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: and we will pick up this conversation again because the 468 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: message and the messengers matter as. 469 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: We march forward. Appreciate you, thank you, thank you. That 470 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: is it for me today. 471 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke A app as always power to the 472 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. 473 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.