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Speaker 3: Pumps aka Debt Bitch aka pet Stallion aka Pegan Marco.
Speaker 4: Bitch and what's up, y'all, I'm weazy, welcome back to
Speaker 4: another episode. We're so happy to be in the studio together. Yes,
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Speaker 4: amazing show. We're putting us so much effort and production
Speaker 4: into it. And what I really was going to propose.
Speaker 1: Was you should do your masturbation on one of the
Speaker 1: damn Oh my god. Wow. If you're joined today by
Speaker 1: Hazel Grace, you know I'm actually touring this year too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I wait, Actually I'm just touring
Speaker 1: the United States. Connect I told you I'm looking for
Speaker 1: boyfriends in every city I need like one in every
Speaker 1: So I'm touring because you never know who you'll find
Speaker 1: right her. You could just swipe on the internet, but
Speaker 1: you ain't got a flight. I prefer to go and
Speaker 1: see a city and then I have a membership to
Speaker 1: this high end like site for like men of a
Speaker 1: higher caliber, and it's easier to connect with them when
Speaker 1: you're in their sit Like I know, I can tell
Speaker 1: you like the name of it, but I'll get arrows.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the d I'll give we know, something
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, we'll be noticed that right, okay, but
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 3: Is this site where you can be on there and
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily like you're on there for sex because
Speaker 3: like seeking arrangement, so.
Speaker 1: It's like speaking arrangement, but like with the Arrow's clientele.
Speaker 1: Oh right, can you curious? I don't want to clock
Speaker 1: you or anything.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, can you not say the site
Speaker 4: because you're worried that you may get your profile removed
Speaker 4: or you're worried the site for multiple reasons?
Speaker 1: Yeah, multiple reasons, I'm singing. I wanna I was definitely
Speaker 1: one of them. I want to try. I will definitely
Speaker 1: give you the tools behind the scenes, but that's definitely
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is that you don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, go and tell a million people like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this thing. No, I'm just gonna tell it's
Speaker 1: an exclusive like membership type of thing, and you have
Speaker 1: to have the right people in it. Is it expensive
Speaker 1: to be not for me? Talk your ship? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: who are you? What's your name? Hazel Grace? You guys, Hello,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. I am Hazel Grace.
Speaker 1: I am an adult actress. I've been doing porn for
Speaker 1: like five years. I started in melanin about three years ago.
Speaker 1: So now I'm a director and a producer and I
Speaker 1: only shoot women of color, right, so I think that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm a white I'm a girlfriend, I am all of
Speaker 1: the above. So you right before we started.
Speaker 3: One of the interesting things that I learned, and of
Speaker 3: course had no clue about, is that you were actually married.
Speaker 1: I am. I am.
Speaker 3: I can't believe people don't know that about me. So,
Speaker 3: but and you've been You're married to your high school sweetheart.
Speaker 1: I am, yes. And he's not in the industry.
Speaker 3: He's not in the industry now, he's a regular regular,
Speaker 3: which is what he is.
Speaker 1: A marine so he does not allow I can't call
Speaker 1: him a civilian here. Yeah, we both call everybody outside
Speaker 1: of our jobs civilians. But he was a marine, but
Speaker 1: once a marine, always a marine. Now he's in he's alignment,
Speaker 1: so he works on power lines and stuff, the big bugs,
Speaker 1: and he travels a lot, just the old days before
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five.
Speaker 4: I was curious because when you said high school sweets arts,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, then you had you were in the military,
Speaker 4: You like, lived this full life already in you're twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I had my first place, Like I moved
Speaker 1: out of my parents' house at eighteen, Like as soon
Speaker 1: as I graduated, I moved out. I was living by myself.
Speaker 1: My plan was to move to California with my wife,
Speaker 1: so and her and I were never legally married, but
Speaker 1: we always called each other. You know, I'm your wife.
Speaker 1: You and my wife. We had bought each other with
Speaker 1: fake little rings, like we were a little couple or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then she moved back to U Tom We're like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna move to Cali, and then she moved. I
Speaker 1: got married, and then he ended up taking me to
Speaker 1: California anyway, because we had already had this discussion about
Speaker 1: my career, and he's like, you need to be in Cali,
Speaker 1: like you're doing porn here, like CALLI is where you
Speaker 1: need to be to shoot. So he moved was stationed
Speaker 1: like getting in Yo, we'll get into that sk her
Speaker 1: like he requested to be stationed in California so that
Speaker 1: I could start my career. So then we were there
Speaker 1: for four years and I really did live a lot.
Speaker 1: And now I'm back in Florida. And what made her
Speaker 1: to get into doing porn? So that's the story she've
Speaker 1: been waiting for. So like, I honestly, yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a politician. I did. I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a senator. And so I'm like doing the mundane things,
Speaker 1: you know, the step by step in the hamster will.
Speaker 1: And then one of my friends comes up to me.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling. I'm working three jobs as a server, and
Speaker 1: she's like, would you like to make some extra money
Speaker 1: like this holiday season for you know, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, She's like, my job is paying people
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars to just show up and wear lingerie
Speaker 1: for four hours for five nights, four hours each five nights.
Speaker 1: You wear lingerie, you take pictures with the customers, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I need extra money. Living in Alabama,
Speaker 1: like minimum wage, like bro I was making nowhere near that.
Speaker 1: So I was at the time that was like a
Speaker 1: lot of money for me. I'm like, yes, I can
Speaker 1: buy all my nieces and nephew's Christmas presents and not
Speaker 1: be stressed. So I took the job. Turns out it
Speaker 1: was an ex smart which I didn't even know existed.
Speaker 1: It's a novelty store, an adult novelty store. They sell lingerie, lube, toys,
Speaker 1: literally everything that you can think of that has to
Speaker 1: do with sex. It's in there, movies, magazines, it's everything.
Speaker 1: It's a sex start, right. But I'm me being young,
Speaker 1: dumb eighteen growing up in the Bible bell I honestly
Speaker 1: did not know we had them. I didn't know they existed.
Speaker 1: I just did not have any knowledge of that. So
Speaker 1: I took the job. It was awesome, and then I
Speaker 1: just had so much fun in there. Y'all, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: some shit in there. I so much fun they had.
Speaker 1: Like I saw one of those you know, the half people,
Speaker 1: you know, the the what are called people? You know,
Speaker 1: the silicone like you Yeah, I could get a Torso.
Speaker 1: You could get a Torso and I'm just in the
Speaker 1: are like a kid in a candy store. I was
Speaker 1: just so shocked.
Speaker 3: If someone comes in and buys a Torso, it's giving
Speaker 3: the crophilia. It's giving CALLI.
Speaker 1: It's basically I toured the factory.
Speaker 4: It's called real Doll in Vegas, and basically it's a
Speaker 4: blow up doll, but instead it just has more weight
Speaker 4: to it, right, and you can put.
Speaker 1: Heat sticks in them. They're not cold always like.
Speaker 4: It's it doesn't give necrophilia because it's really essentially like
Speaker 4: a better version of a sexy.
Speaker 1: It's a sleeve. But what you said, you said torso though,
Speaker 1: is it not from your neck down to hear? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it has it's like I thought. And my husband actually
Speaker 1: got one of those for free from our our from
Speaker 1: Xmart one year. Like they had a deformed one. It
Speaker 1: was literally just the nipple was off a little bit.
Speaker 1: But we sold these things on six dollars. We sold
Speaker 1: these things like six dollars, like a nipple off. I
Speaker 1: can't sell it. So I took it home to my
Speaker 1: husband and I watched him fuck itt y'all. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to see this. I it was so it
Speaker 1: was so interesting, but no. I was working there five
Speaker 1: days and the manager fell in love with me. I
Speaker 1: fell in love with the place, the customers, and she
Speaker 1: was like, please let your resume. I was like, y'all
Speaker 1: don't paying off. You're like, y'all are paying less than
Speaker 1: what I'm making now, and she's like, no, do it.
Speaker 1: And then eventually, like I told you, it was, it's
Speaker 1: always been my husband just being mad supportive. Because one
Speaker 1: day I was just like upset, you know, like working
Speaker 1: three jobs it gets tiring, and he's like, you should
Speaker 1: just go. They want you at Xmart and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to pay all the bills
Speaker 1: like doing that. He's like, I'll take care of everything.
Speaker 1: Like do something that makes you happy, Like you're gonna
Speaker 1: be making some money, You're gonna be able to help.
Speaker 1: You obviously want to be there and work there, Like
Speaker 1: I think that you should do it. So I quit
Speaker 1: all my serving jobs and went to work at Exmart.
Speaker 1: And I was making nowhere near the amount of money
Speaker 1: that I needed to survive. But I had him now
Speaker 1: and so like it worked out and then how porn
Speaker 1: So then I'm there for three years I'm there for
Speaker 1: three years. No, honestly, like I'm having fun, but y'all
Speaker 1: I had no confidence at that time. So like picture it.
Speaker 1: Like someone's like, you could be the star exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: watching all the movies. We played like seven eight movies
Speaker 1: a day on the TV. There's constantly porn playing when
Speaker 1: you walk in the store. So I'm just amazed, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you could do it, you could do it,
Speaker 1: you could do it. I'm like, no, no, I can't. No,
Speaker 1: no I can't. So you think you couldn't. What happens
Speaker 1: is in her first boyfriend, I'm working there one morning
Speaker 1: morning shift. He comes in. He's like being weird. I
Speaker 1: didn't notice, and then he's like can I eventually comes
Speaker 1: over He's like can I pay you to go on
Speaker 1: a date? And I'm like no, that's weird. So then
Speaker 1: I go home. My husband's like, are you fucking stupid?
Speaker 1: If this man comes back, tell him yes, like are
Speaker 1: you kidding? Like, because I was like I thought he'd
Speaker 1: be weird about it. Whatever. He's like, no, go do it.
Speaker 1: So then he comes back. I'm like, yeah, I'll let
Speaker 1: you pay me to go on a date. We go
Speaker 1: on a date and At first he wants me to
Speaker 1: peg him, and that's how it started. But then over time,
Speaker 1: like this man became my best friend. It started with
Speaker 1: the pegging and then eventually he's like, yeah, you should
Speaker 1: get into porn. I think that's hot, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And he fully financed my dreams, Like I started traveling
Speaker 1: to Miami. He took care of everything. I found me
Speaker 1: an agent. That actually took a while. We'll get into that.
Speaker 1: As a black woman in porn, like I went to
Speaker 1: Florida three four or five times and ended up having
Speaker 1: to go all the way to av N in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: The last one that was in person. Yes, and that's
Speaker 1: where I got my first agentated. Yeah, let me ask
Speaker 1: you if you questions. I'm curious. H of course, you
Speaker 1: said you grew up in the Bible Belt, where like
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes outside of Montgomery, Alabama. So you grew up
Speaker 1: in the Bible Belt. Black girl that was in the
Speaker 1: military gets in a portant. Is your husband black? He
Speaker 1: is not, He's Caucasian.
Speaker 4: When you when you're like in the Bible Belt dating
Speaker 4: a fucking white guy, then you guys are in the military,
Speaker 4: then you do porn.
Speaker 1: What do people think of you when you go home?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they love us. Oh my god, they
Speaker 1: love us. They're like what y'allre? Wow? Like they love me.
Speaker 1: They're just like I don't think it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're like in love it. It's just like, oh, they
Speaker 1: think it's cool what we've done. Like, especially my family,
Speaker 1: My sisters are my biggest supporters. They send me videos
Speaker 1: wearing my hazel gray shirt with me and Lingerie on
Speaker 1: the back in the most random places, are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wore your show up to the DMV too. Don't
Speaker 1: do the day to the day and like they're my
Speaker 1: biggest supporters, So what did this?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? Are your boyfriends all white? Are they
Speaker 1: different colors? Different colors? There? I mean, as of right now,
Speaker 1: it's like it's I'm trying to get more chocolate. Man,
Speaker 1: it's harder than one might think it hard. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm high maintenance and I intimidate them. And then also,
Speaker 1: like black men have, they're just more difficult for me
Speaker 1: because like I don't I'm not okay with I sound
Speaker 1: like this. Sometimes I'm not okay with you picking on
Speaker 1: me because I sound white and like things like that, right,
Speaker 1: Like I just get over those things that I just
Speaker 1: like to be able to accept sound white shit. It's
Speaker 1: like we just had that conversation, did you we do? Okay?
Speaker 4: But but I will say this, a lot of my
Speaker 4: homegirls in LA have that valley girls talk, right, But
Speaker 4: I realize it's not the way black girls talk that
Speaker 4: bothered black men.
Speaker 1: They're almost more bothered than you probably are a white husband.
Speaker 1: Did anything I was gonna get on that next. I
Speaker 1: was like, so that's one thing, but then also like
Speaker 1: they black men have a harder time accepting my lifestyle.
Speaker 1: They're very much protective and like you know, they want
Speaker 1: to claim theirs and like, that's okay. It's just when
Speaker 1: I mentioned my other boyfriends and stuff like that, they're
Speaker 1: not okay with that. And I'm not going to force
Speaker 1: you if that's not something you're cool with. But like,
Speaker 1: because we and and we skipped over that fact.
Speaker 3: There was a funny thing that you said before we started,
Speaker 3: why have one when you can have five? YEA, literally
Speaker 3: you have multiple boyfriends. They know about each other and
Speaker 3: they show up in different ways. So we have nicknames
Speaker 3: for all of our lovers. Here, say, how do they
Speaker 3: show up for you that make you fulfilled in the relationships.
Speaker 1: That you have with them. Can I just touch on
Speaker 1: what you were saying and get into that at the
Speaker 1: same time, because like I find like, why have woman
Speaker 1: you can have five? Like every relationship brings something different.
Speaker 1: Every relationship is going to provide something different for you
Speaker 1: in your life, whether it be an emotional connection, whether
Speaker 1: it be a friendship connection, et cetera. And with black men,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm losing like or I don't have
Speaker 1: that relationship right, Like I have a lot of black
Speaker 1: men as friends in my life, but it's a different
Speaker 1: relationship as a lover where you're just like Pillow talking
Speaker 1: about like being a black man and being black, you know,
Speaker 1: like pillow talk with someone you talk about shit and yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm missing that. I haven't had
Speaker 1: that since I was Like an actually funny story when
Speaker 1: my my husband first went off for basic training in
Speaker 1: his person, like he was gone for like six months,
Speaker 1: nine months to a year. He left me with a
Speaker 1: black man, Like he's like, I want you to take
Speaker 1: care of her, make sure she has everything that she needs.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. My white friend a boyfriend
Speaker 1: of mine. He chose him, black dude named Mike. He's like,
Speaker 1: take care of her. You know she's gonna be he's
Speaker 1: off whatever, and he wanted to make sure that I
Speaker 1: was okay with your boyfriend. He chose that one particularly
Speaker 1: at the time. Wow, And I miss him so much.
Speaker 1: He went off and got celibate and all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: But I love the by as a bond of like
Speaker 1: having a black man and the pillow talk and the
Speaker 1: different conversations than we're gonna have. Because as much as
Speaker 1: I love all people and all men like, I don't
Speaker 1: get that with white men, they never can. And to
Speaker 1: be honest, you do have those moments with white men
Speaker 1: where you like, they say something it's like you don't
Speaker 1: even understand how stupid what you just said? Is like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because like you just they
Speaker 1: don't get it right right.
Speaker 4: Now telling me one of the craziest things I've heard
Speaker 4: gay Uber driver. This was in Atlanta last week. He said,
Speaker 4: we just laughed about how dating sucks. He's like, girl,
Speaker 4: I as you I'm a fucking white boys for so
Speaker 4: long I might have to jump ship. I was like,
Speaker 4: why he said, was pebls This one made me think
Speaker 4: about He said, was Pillow talking with him?
Speaker 1: Wake up?
Speaker 4: And he was like, he was always funny, great, He's like,
Speaker 4: and I always thought to myself, I don't have the
Speaker 4: racist white boyfriend. He said that they were in the
Speaker 4: bed and he goes, I have the funniest joke I
Speaker 4: just heard. He said a girl he was on Twitter
Speaker 4: like couldn't breathe God got laugh and I'm like, what's
Speaker 4: the joke? Then they could get to the red light
Speaker 4: turns when he goes, how does a black woman know
Speaker 4: when she's pregnant?
Speaker 1: Have y'all heard this before? I already don't like the joke.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard it, but I already don't like it.
Speaker 1: I never heard the joke. But when she picks the
Speaker 1: cotton out of her pussy, oh there's no blood on it.
Speaker 1: And he was crying laughing at this, So wait, mind you.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, my mouth is like all our mouths
Speaker 1: are like. I was like, what did you say?
Speaker 4: And he goes, I said, and how does a white
Speaker 4: one know she's pregnant? And then he says his boyfriend saying,
Speaker 4: they're like, well.
Speaker 1: That's not the funny of our guys go back. I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, whoa, Yeah, I would have had to
Speaker 1: walk out, Like I really would have had to leave it.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because he said, and you were saying your
Speaker 4: high school sweethearts. He was like, you have to date
Speaker 4: a white guy so long soone no, he's going.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, also, my husband has an appropriate
Speaker 1: amount of white guilt, and I refuse to date any
Speaker 1: white person that does not have an appropriate amount of
Speaker 1: white yuilt. You need to like you don't be like obviously,
Speaker 1: I don't want you to press over some shit your
Speaker 1: ancestors did, but you need to like understand and have
Speaker 1: a little bit of guilt hilarious and shame and like
Speaker 1: appropriate amount what he'd be doing. Let me think, like, well, obviously,
Speaker 1: like base level, you need to be calling out when
Speaker 1: anybody does some over the top Caucasian or ridiculous shiit aai.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, like he gets uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like I like will like see white people do something
Speaker 1: and like just something will happen and like he could
Speaker 1: he'll comfortable. He's embarrassed and he's like, bro, why like,
Speaker 1: oh god, I can't stand my people. This is why
Speaker 1: I don't want to claim them, right, like me, he
Speaker 1: has the appropriate amount of white yelt not and I
Speaker 1: feel like the appropriate amount of the unappropate amount is
Speaker 1: when you step over into it and you really like
Speaker 1: it changes who you are and you can't have fun
Speaker 1: with it and you're just like like a sadder, depressing
Speaker 1: person and like you just go, oh, you know, everything
Speaker 1: is sad, everything is right. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: in that person. But at the same time, I to
Speaker 1: be able to say when your people are being tore
Speaker 1: up and you understand that, like, yes, I am correct.
Speaker 1: And I used to know white guys and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna hold you like that was and hate.
Speaker 4: And see this was probably why I was like I
Speaker 4: can't do this because I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I love that about him, and I'm like, well.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do this all days. I'm like, well, I
Speaker 1: love the fact that you're a freedom fighter, like it
Speaker 1: was yah.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, even with our white friends, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, you'd say you don't have no white friends,
Speaker 4: but I got a lot of white friends and they
Speaker 4: all kind of have that vibe, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because like I can only have white
Speaker 4: friends in metropolitan city. I'm really thinking, Yeah, you don't
Speaker 4: have any.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have people that I've worked with that
Speaker 1: are great that are white. I mean, I don't you know,
Speaker 1: back in high school I used to have own like
Speaker 1: mostly white friends. Now I mostly have like I'm surrounded
Speaker 1: by black women.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think that comes from to
Speaker 3: a lot of the schools that I went to, especially
Speaker 3: the one that I graduated from.
Speaker 1: In Orlando for a seven city.
Speaker 3: Uh, my schools were predominantly black, like my elementary schools,
Speaker 3: my middle school. I did go to one school that
Speaker 3: was more white. It was a Magnet program that I
Speaker 3: only went to my freshman year. So all of my
Speaker 3: schools were predominantly black. When I moved to Atlanta right
Speaker 3: after the leaving home to Miami, worked on South Beach,
Speaker 3: and since I went been.
Speaker 1: Up here the first eight years was in the Bronx,
Speaker 1: so back every city and then I went to a
Speaker 1: city university in the Bronx, which so how did I
Speaker 1: make my white friends? You know? Well, you and you
Speaker 1: were going to festivals like that. Part of ed and
Speaker 1: I saw.
Speaker 4: Was like a lot of money house music, not really
Speaker 4: EDM but which what's really dope?
Speaker 1: About this. You know.
Speaker 4: Point in the world too is like I just came
Speaker 4: back from boiler Room in London and they had a
Speaker 4: festival and for anyone that doesn't know it is look
Speaker 4: it up. Got there with my boy and I'm like, bro,
Speaker 4: all we've seen of black DJs is mag niggas in
Speaker 4: here is the world shifting.
Speaker 1: It is beyond say made house music cool for us? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on? And like now I'm
Speaker 1: at this point where the ship that I would do.
Speaker 4: With white friends I don't need to do anymore. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm meeting black people that's sucking into it. Whether it's
Speaker 4: like galleries fucking going to a music festival.
Speaker 1: That's back to what you were saying. Everybody, like every
Speaker 1: boyfriend in my life brings something different and they like
Speaker 1: something different. Like I had one from Colorado that like
Speaker 1: I feel like the only like he was hot as fuck,
Speaker 1: but the only other thing. Like it took me a
Speaker 1: long time because we actually just kind of split ways
Speaker 1: to realize what I was getting out of that relationship.
Speaker 1: Why am I doing? Do I not want to leave?
Speaker 1: And it was because like we could talk for hours
Speaker 1: and hours about politics. Nobody else in my life wants
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Nobody else like and so that
Speaker 1: alone you being hot and me being having that connection
Speaker 1: to you, when all my other boyfriends are great and
Speaker 1: they provide for me in so many different ways, but
Speaker 1: it's like they don't want to talk about that shit.
Speaker 3: As soon as I start talking, they shut down. So
Speaker 3: you're you're married, How are you How do you get
Speaker 3: to the point where a time, well not only time
Speaker 3: you're meeting, you're meeting these people. How do they become
Speaker 3: your boyfriend? And how are you meeting them out outside.
Speaker 1: Of South Yeah? How I usually tend to meet them.
Speaker 1: And then like it'll go from there, like and what
Speaker 1: is that sponsor on there? I met my sponsor on there,
Speaker 1: And it started as just like, well, he's my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Now I don't want to doesn't well he does sponsor
Speaker 1: my Like he's my boyfriend, but I call my sponsor
Speaker 1: because he is like legitimately sponsoring my company right now
Speaker 1: and investing in my brand and so but he's my boyfriend.
Speaker 1: And it started as sort of like, Okay, we'll see
Speaker 1: each other when we see each other type of thing,
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of grew to like I
Speaker 1: want to be able to see you whenever I can.
Speaker 1: What can I do to take stress off of your
Speaker 1: plate to make sure that I can see you whenever.
Speaker 4: He's so different for you when you're on the site,
Speaker 4: like seeking arrangement. To me, was this like exchange like money, beauty, power,
Speaker 4: my time? How does boyfriend become the word that becomes
Speaker 4: like that's a natural thing for me.
Speaker 1: I have to meet you first, Like I'm never just
Speaker 1: gonna know off of talking to you from the internet.
Speaker 1: We got to go boyfriend over a sponsor or sugar daddy.
Speaker 1: How did they get the title boyfriend when they lose
Speaker 1: their budget? I think, like when I realize that you're
Speaker 1: one him without a financial exchange? Right? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna take care of everything I need, Like
Speaker 1: there's a financial exchange, but it's not because what we
Speaker 1: have going on that's not giving me something or contributing
Speaker 1: to my lifestyle or my company or my brand in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. That's a waste of my
Speaker 1: mind in some way, shape or form. It's not always
Speaker 1: exchanging of money, but like my DC Bay, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to pay for a trip that's taking out
Speaker 1: away from my company and taking away from my time.
Speaker 1: My brand. But if you're like, hey, let's go to
Speaker 1: Austin next weekend and you don't have to pay for anything,
Speaker 1: bring your work so you can also get work done,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take that track for it. Some guy
Speaker 1: that's just like, oh, let's let you do have to
Speaker 1: work and me do have the work so that we
Speaker 1: can come together. Like no, that's you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: you need if you want to see me, make it happen.
Speaker 1: So he's there's no exchanging of money there. He's not
Speaker 1: paying me. But at the same time, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to pay for anything. Some of his little military boosts.
Speaker 1: But if y'all are watch on YouTube YouTube dot com.
Speaker 1: He loves black women, but he always complains that he
Speaker 1: has a hard time, like like I was easy for him.
Speaker 1: Every other black girl is like a lot. It's hard
Speaker 1: for him to get. Why what type of white he's quiet?
Speaker 1: Give me a celebrity, Oh, celebrity. I'm not good with celebrities.
Speaker 1: I know none of them. Sorry, because you know there's
Speaker 1: definitent type of white boys. Try to chill someone you
Speaker 1: can have. Give me some names. Yeah, I might know,
Speaker 1: you know Ryan Gosling kind of white. Like try he's
Speaker 1: just like one of those chill like we were talking
Speaker 1: about Young Miami's episode, her type of nigga. That's my
Speaker 1: my man, Like my husband is like low kia black
Speaker 1: dude from them, Like don't just chill back in the
Speaker 1: corner and then let me give you me Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like right, he's just one of those people.
Speaker 4: So he got some military But so do you feel
Speaker 4: like there's ever this point where you're like, maybe my
Speaker 4: life is so much more than what back home was.
Speaker 4: Do you ever feel like the boyfriend's the glam, the
Speaker 4: glip c l A, the trip. Do you ever feel
Speaker 4: a little guilty?
Speaker 1: Do you ever have black kilts? I not black kilts.
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but I like you'd be like, damn, like
Speaker 1: I'm doing all of this shit, and I I definitely
Speaker 1: do because I have a huge family. I've got like
Speaker 1: so many sisters. I've got like fourteen fifteen nieces and
Speaker 1: nephews that are just like under fifteen. No, I mean
Speaker 1: you've got your relationship. Oh in my relationship, you mean
Speaker 1: like I don't understand what you mean by if they're
Speaker 1: going to have a time for a vacation. You work
Speaker 1: a lot, right, so he's ex vacations too, he went,
Speaker 1: he went out of the country. Do you ever feel
Speaker 1: guilty that, like you're doing it with someone health Okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Yeah, so okay, Yes, There's
Speaker 1: been times like my first time ever in New York
Speaker 1: was with a boyfriend and I'm like, okay, that's like
Speaker 1: my husband. We grew up in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: your first time in the big city. I felt bad,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, he was deployed, like there
Speaker 1: was nothing that even if he wanted to go yeployment,
Speaker 1: he didn't want me to stop living my life because
Speaker 1: of reeling going on. That's really and I did feel
Speaker 1: bad and I expressed that to him, and he's like,
Speaker 1: We're going to take a trip to New York and
Speaker 1: you're going to show me all the things that you saw.
Speaker 1: And it's like you said, you have a deal your
Speaker 1: family about this. Is there any Is there any?
Speaker 3: I don't want to use the word jealousy, but in
Speaker 3: my early twenties, the way that my relationships with men
Speaker 3: was way different than my sisters, and there would be
Speaker 3: times that my family members, my my sister, my dad,
Speaker 3: and other people would expect me to ask a man
Speaker 3: for money to give it to them like to give
Speaker 3: it to them, yes, because they needed it. And when
Speaker 3: I would be like, I don't have it, they'd be like,
Speaker 3: well just ask so and so. I know, yeah, because
Speaker 3: he can get it, he'll because you can give it,
Speaker 3: he'll give.
Speaker 1: It to you. I have met people like that. I'm
Speaker 1: so lucky and blessed. My family is okay like that,
Speaker 1: But I've had girlfriends that I've had to cut off
Speaker 1: because you think, I'm sorry, but I'm sucking this man's
Speaker 1: take that money is for like just because it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's going to do anything for you. Like that's
Speaker 1: just like honestly boldest fuck of you to assume that
Speaker 1: my relationship just because he'll do anything for me in
Speaker 1: this relationship means now I have to right like how
Speaker 1: it works. And I just like, yeah, yeah, I've had that.
Speaker 1: That's why I was. I was curious. I did want
Speaker 1: to get into our vanilla ship because I do want
Speaker 1: to say though, may he rest in peace, But that
Speaker 1: very first boyfriend that we talked about, we were together
Speaker 1: for four and a half years. He got He single
Speaker 1: handedly got me where I am in this in this career.
Speaker 1: He started everything for me, helped me and my husband
Speaker 1: when we first move because the military ain't ship, we
Speaker 1: had to actually pay for everything to get over to California,
Speaker 1: and he took care of all of that. He paid
Speaker 1: for a wedding, wedding. Another man paid for you to
Speaker 1: move cross pat my wedding. He paid for my wedding.
Speaker 1: I said, not only that, weasy. He paid for my wedding,
Speaker 1: thousand and thousand thousand dollars, paid for my sister's dresses,
Speaker 1: all my bar everything that we needed that they couldn't afford,
Speaker 1: we took care of. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: showed up at my house on my wedding day with
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars in cash and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is your wedding gifts. And I was like, you don't
Speaker 1: have to give me a wedding. He's like, no, where's Carson.
Speaker 1: This is your wedding. Your boyfriend paid for you and
Speaker 1: your husband's were getting married. He was al married, he
Speaker 1: was married with two kids too. It's not like he
Speaker 1: was like wanting to marry me, Like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. I'm living life. But then I say that
Speaker 1: to say he met my family, my mom, my sister,
Speaker 1: is like after a while, like he knew them. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, my family's just not like that.
Speaker 1: They weren't wouldn't go to him and ask for money,
Speaker 1: even though they knew our relationship and knew like how
Speaker 1: we started and everything like that, Like they just knew,
Speaker 1: like this man is an important part of my life
Speaker 1: and so and he's doing everything for my sister to
Speaker 1: help her, okay, And I just feel like my family's
Speaker 1: not jealous her. We not doing is it right now?
Speaker 1: And this is like actually a joke and serious question.
Speaker 1: It can't just be the sex. So do you can?
Speaker 1: I just say that the best relationships happened organically. Like
Speaker 1: I said, he walked into the store. I didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: that's right. I didn't do anything. He just kind of
Speaker 1: fout me payroll that I told you about. I met
Speaker 1: him when I was a bartender in Apple.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about how you're getting the things you're getting
Speaker 4: because that's the thing that right meeting them, I don't
Speaker 4: really think.
Speaker 1: But at that point, easy, I think probably the issue
Speaker 1: you're running into is something that I ran into too,
Speaker 1: is that you're too no no, no, I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: straight okay, everybody everybody else. So the issue that some
Speaker 1: people run into is being too nice, not knowing what
Speaker 1: to ask for when to ask for it. You have
Speaker 1: to know what you want in that relationship and you
Speaker 1: have to stay on your ground. And what about the
Speaker 1: timing you said, when to ask when to ask for
Speaker 1: you come out the back when? Which bitch when? I
Speaker 1: think it depends on the situation, because like with him,
Speaker 1: it didn't take me long for me to lock him
Speaker 1: into so much money per month. Like, let's not because
Speaker 1: I don't like talking about finances. I think that's another
Speaker 1: easy way for me, Like it isn't about that early
Speaker 1: on or when I get to that point. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you know what I expect from you monthly so
Speaker 1: that we don't have to talk about this money thing. Right,
Speaker 1: these are my things that I need and this is
Speaker 1: what I want from you, and I'm gonna be asking
Speaker 1: for things throughout the month. You talk about that, well,
Speaker 1: you should never do it for like if you so,
Speaker 1: My friend Lacy London has a rule, right, and it's
Speaker 1: like reship. How the relationship starts is how the relationship
Speaker 1: ends come a period period. So if it started as
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, it ends as a boyfriends. It starts as
Speaker 1: a sugared situation. It's always going to have that aspect,
Speaker 1: whether it goes into me having feelings for you or not.
Speaker 1: How it starts is how it ends, because when you
Speaker 1: allow me gets to switch it up, that's when it
Speaker 1: gets confusing, and that's when they think they can like
Speaker 1: change things or take advantage of things. Right, So if
Speaker 1: this is how it started, this will always be an
Speaker 1: aspect of it starts fucked up and ends fucked up.
Speaker 1: That's true too. This is also true because if it starts,
Speaker 1: if it starts with you just having sex with him
Speaker 1: with no expectations, two weeks later, you can't come and
Speaker 1: you can't you can't come asking for ship for the
Speaker 1: same thing that you just did for free. So off
Speaker 1: the rip. You need to let them know what your
Speaker 1: expectations are and then go from there, and you have
Speaker 1: to change exactly the most know what you want before
Speaker 1: you go into that. I don't think women know that.
Speaker 3: I don't think women know that their leverage stands before
Speaker 3: they open their legs, because it doesn't matter how great
Speaker 3: you subject, It doesn't matter how what your pussy is,
Speaker 3: how how it grips the dick, babe. And if you
Speaker 3: could take a dick in your boot hole the same
Speaker 3: way you do your pussy. Doesn't matter all the tricks
Speaker 3: that you have. Your leverage is still the chase and
Speaker 3: what this man is yearning for. And so I agree
Speaker 3: with stetdying. The tone of whatever relationship immediately is up
Speaker 3: the gate.
Speaker 1: So the wind is more and more and more, like
Speaker 1: because I know you'll do this for one date, then like, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to see me whatever you want this month.
Speaker 1: I know how much you pay for that.
Speaker 4: Now what do you think that you're able to do
Speaker 4: that when because you met the other person who said
Speaker 4: he walked in the store at the time met my
Speaker 4: sugar do basically they came into our job, very regular jobs.
Speaker 4: So when that happens, that's to me a little bit
Speaker 4: more difficult than being on a site.
Speaker 1: Being on a site, it should be easy. You should
Speaker 1: know what you want and you should like have a template,
Speaker 1: like so no back to my friend lazy, because this
Speaker 1: is my bitch, man, this is my bitch. So she's
Speaker 1: the penthouse pet shout out, but no, like we're two
Speaker 1: different people. Like she takes calls, I refuse to take calls.
Speaker 1: If I'm meeting you online, I know I'm more comfortable
Speaker 1: having a conversation via text because I can think and
Speaker 1: I don't have to. She's easy, she can think on
Speaker 1: her feet and she can have that conversation and underget
Speaker 1: what she needs in a negotiation very quickly. I prefer
Speaker 1: to be straight to the point. And if I'm meeting
Speaker 1: you online, I'm gonna let you know off the rip
Speaker 1: five to ten things about me that you need to
Speaker 1: know when it comes to my time, how much I
Speaker 1: value it, how much you're gonna pay for it based
Speaker 1: on what you want. Also the things that I don't
Speaker 1: do and won't do, like like, so those things are
Speaker 1: there and you need to read that before we even
Speaker 1: start a conversation. What are your list of things you
Speaker 1: want to do? Like, I don't. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: screening obviously, I don't do it. Anal I hate anal right.
Speaker 1: I prefer to go on dates first so that I
Speaker 1: can get to know you, like a dinner something like that,
Speaker 1: and any rate, anything that's worth my you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: me five hundred dollars at least at okay, even to
Speaker 1: go out to seat yes, because this is my time
Speaker 1: and me and that's the thing. The thing about it
Speaker 1: is like, I know what I have to offer, because
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave that dinner feeling so happy and feeling like,
Speaker 1: honestly you got the deal. Because and I've had so
Speaker 1: many men turn me down like oh, that's too much money,
Speaker 1: that's too much money. But I've never had a man
Speaker 1: that paid that and was not happy with what they got.
Speaker 1: Like because I am a genuine person, I am sincere
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm somewhat cool or people say you think.
Speaker 4: So, I like they leave that it's happy, names petty,
Speaker 4: like it's what are the things that you make them feel?
Speaker 1: Like I'm already like that because I'm a Southern woman
Speaker 1: and so something about like men like the sub comes
Speaker 1: out in me, and I know what they need to
Speaker 1: feel like a man, right, and so obviously you should
Speaker 1: always be like touching on them and making them feel important.
Speaker 1: You should always do that also, like if he's paying
Speaker 1: you or not, but especially if he's paying you, like
Speaker 1: he's paying and he took you out, he's paying for
Speaker 1: an experience, his arm. That's why he took you out.
Speaker 1: Like just touch on him, laugh with him, be extra
Speaker 1: weight or something. I got to my mom.
Speaker 4: She would do this in front of my dad, even
Speaker 4: if she told us all what we were gonna eat
Speaker 4: when the waiter comes, oh, baby, like I would always
Speaker 4: see her do.
Speaker 1: That, and it was so like hoy, and like be
Speaker 1: your man. I don't order my own food, which I'm
Speaker 1: men have hated that I do that. Yeah, don't talk
Speaker 1: about order. Oh I order for the table. You also,
Speaker 1: I know that friend, No I do it with men.
Speaker 1: I've been changing. I didn't. Oh, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: But also he spoke so fucking quiet. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I for sure was was the man.
Speaker 3: You know you need to But but that's the thing
Speaker 3: to releeve, which which in the way I show up
Speaker 3: and probably why I do have a lot of the
Speaker 3: men that I have there is still just because I
Speaker 3: don't want to make it seem like there's this is
Speaker 3: a one trick pony to getting men.
Speaker 1: A lot of the men that do date me, where maybe.
Speaker 3: My boyfriend had an issue with it, all of my
Speaker 3: sugar daddies are side men. I know I've been different
Speaker 3: than their wives. I've been different than those they like
Speaker 3: the dominance in me. Okay, okay, so real quick. One moment,
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to have this conversation because you also,
Speaker 3: and you open it up and I let you spoke that, I.
Speaker 1: Let you spoke. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Y'all know, I don't know how to speak, and I
Speaker 3: have to kill my system. But you opened up with
Speaker 3: the fact that one of your partners you pegged. Yes,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking, and I want to talk about your
Speaker 3: pegging experience, the type of men you peg, and why,
Speaker 3: And then I would love to just go back and
Speaker 3: forth with even the dynamics of that, because I think
Speaker 3: there's a confusion with even yes, me ordering is very masculine,
Speaker 3: but there's a difference in the type of men that
Speaker 3: I peg as well. So you just recently had a
Speaker 3: pegging experience, how did it get set up, how did
Speaker 3: he ask for.
Speaker 1: It, and what was it like? So I think we'll
Speaker 1: close out with the why, Like just could close that
Speaker 1: out because like it's different, like a men with a
Speaker 1: lot of money and power want a lady like I mean,
Speaker 1: the old fashioned version of ladies, So yes, touching on them,
Speaker 1: laughing at them, dressing very nicely, being you know, a
Speaker 1: lady in the streets and the freaking sheets. That's what
Speaker 1: they want, especially if you're going for a high scale man.
Speaker 1: So you need to be you know, really for that. Now,
Speaker 1: when it comes to pegging, I have like I don't
Speaker 1: make any of them with my boyfriends. Like a man
Speaker 1: with a lot of money that is willing to invest
Speaker 1: in me and my future, in my happiness and have
Speaker 1: fun with me. Now that's someone that's boyfriend material. You
Speaker 1: can go from a sugar didy to a boyfriend, especially
Speaker 1: if I really like hanging out with you. When it
Speaker 1: comes to the pegging, it's always like they'll find me
Speaker 1: from a site, through a client, or I work exclusively
Speaker 1: like in porn. I only shoot pegging scenes for peg
Speaker 1: him dot com, which is a Michael Vegas site, and
Speaker 1: so people will find me through there and contact me
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, will you do this
Speaker 1: for me? And so it's usually just like you know,
Speaker 1: looking through the site. I don't really meet those people
Speaker 1: in any other like area right of life. And then
Speaker 1: I meet with them, it's always like pretty like to
Speaker 1: the point they're always same and like, it's interesting to
Speaker 1: me that you were saying that yours were like mass
Speaker 1: because every like guy I mean is a twink and
Speaker 1: he's cute, but he like he wants to like wear
Speaker 1: fishnets and heels, and he wants me to put makeup
Speaker 1: on him, and he wants me to put on a
Speaker 1: wig and make him like struck for me and like
Speaker 1: be kind of ex wild. Those are my pegging clients.
Speaker 1: Are all twinks are all so literally literally literally brought
Speaker 1: it up. Boys. When she brought it up, I said,
Speaker 1: I have never fucked a twink.
Speaker 3: I've literally just said bring masculinity back on my other
Speaker 3: podcasts because I'm not here for the men painting their nails,
Speaker 3: or the merses, or the overshading of things.
Speaker 1: Oh, the over shaking. I don't like. I don't like, well, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I say this because you peg twinks.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people assume that when
Speaker 3: I am someone, I refer to myself as peg the stallion.
Speaker 3: They're even you were shocked, like, wait, these are super masculine. Yes,
Speaker 3: I am attracted because I'm bisexual. I would even say
Speaker 3: what I'm attracted to.
Speaker 1: I love the masculinity a man, can I love the
Speaker 1: femininity of a woman. So it's Pride month. My husband
Speaker 1: and I are actually both pan sexual. And he did
Speaker 1: say that I can tell you guys this, so like
Speaker 1: he won't let me peg him. He might be into
Speaker 1: and he might do it, but like I thought, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's like a like a I'd prefer to
Speaker 1: do it to twinks and not my husband. Ah right,
Speaker 1: Like I think I get unenjoyment it, but it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just like kind of using this little twink boy
Speaker 1: so that it's like that for me.
Speaker 3: Do you know what's crazy? That's the number one question
Speaker 3: that I get asked. But I also asked having a
Speaker 3: ginger when we sat with her. There's the very first
Speaker 3: question that I get from any man when I express
Speaker 3: that I've pegged someone, is well, do you respect them?
Speaker 1: After? Oh? That is a very that's a big one.
Speaker 1: That's the big one. Do you not? I definitely do
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 1: I think it's more my husband than me, Like I think,
Speaker 1: no different because of all the things he's done for me,
Speaker 1: Like how can I see you any different just because
Speaker 1: you're doing this one thing for him? And I were
Speaker 1: lucky because we're open, So it's not like a deal breaker.
Speaker 1: It's like he can still go and do that elsewhere
Speaker 1: and like we're both gonna be fine. He just prefers
Speaker 1: to not him not see me or me to not
Speaker 1: see him like that, Okay, and he wants, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: that person in my life and he just doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be viewed that way. But I think I don't
Speaker 1: care what any girl says. If you have some man
Speaker 1: bent over with his legs behind his ears, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna see him the same way. Don't do that, bitch.
Speaker 3: Yes, I let us because I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 3: To me, well, real quick, we have a different experience.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, you have never well not
Speaker 3: only masculine men. I have never in my life been
Speaker 3: with a white man. So to me, I'm bending over
Speaker 3: and pegging six foot three plus masculine black men. And
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you and be honest though, well,
Speaker 3: well black man, no no, no, no, no no, but
Speaker 3: you're not you're not letting me finish my point I would.
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in twinks at all.
Speaker 3: But the thing that makes me so prideful in experiencing
Speaker 3: that with black men is that I've created a safe
Speaker 3: space that I know.
Speaker 1: They don't get from a lot of black men.
Speaker 3: To be very clear with you, they open up with
Speaker 3: me about the things that they they want or they desire,
Speaker 3: and I've said this on a recent podcast when I
Speaker 3: was on Social Proof. I would love to be able
Speaker 3: to open or be with a man who's open about
Speaker 3: their sexuality, whether they're paanned by curious even I think
Speaker 3: for me to have those interactions with black men in
Speaker 3: a space where in society is general, specifically in the bedroom,
Speaker 3: they don't feel safe, very true to me.
Speaker 1: It's not that I wear it as a badge of honor,
Speaker 1: you should. I genuinely love knowing.
Speaker 3: That there are black men that have felt so safe
Speaker 3: with me to experience that with them, and they are masculine,
Speaker 3: they do identify as heterosexual, like I haven't yet, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So that to me, for people to think that the
Speaker 4: blackness is going to keep you respecting them, because a
Speaker 4: lot by that, because you feel like this, because you're
Speaker 4: fucking masculine niggas, like You're like, She's like, well, I
Speaker 4: won't look like they're I don't fuck white guys.
Speaker 1: There's so many women out there that will fucking nigget
Speaker 1: in the ass tonight and look in him that way.
Speaker 1: The blackness. Of course, we're both just period. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a different point.
Speaker 4: There's so many women that are shitty about this, and like,
Speaker 4: even the conversation that you have, I don't really think
Speaker 4: that has to do what hers me and white. It
Speaker 4: has to do with sometimes, oh, I didn't bring like
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I'm saying the conversation she just had
Speaker 4: separate from what you were saying. Her saying like, I
Speaker 4: don't think I can do this to my husband, Avana
Speaker 4: saying I don't know if I could do that with
Speaker 4: my man. Y'all having that conversation, there is still a
Speaker 4: stigma around someone that women put in a higher light
Speaker 4: or look at as their equal, their partner, whatever it
Speaker 4: might be, where the pegging becomes an issue, and that
Speaker 4: also to me, kind of puts this hole in it
Speaker 4: that I think is scarier for black men.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I love what you're doing.
Speaker 1: We have a different it's hard for them to find
Speaker 1: that safe space where they can still be everything they
Speaker 1: are and enjoy this.
Speaker 3: Suddenly that there's men that say they don't want their
Speaker 3: their girlfriend or someone that they respect to suck their dick.
Speaker 3: There's men that like I've had an African man say that,
Speaker 3: but there's also okay, so then let me make it
Speaker 3: a little bit more kinky. There are men that constantly
Speaker 3: say they wanted threesome, but they would never.
Speaker 1: Do it with their wife. I've heard that.
Speaker 3: To me, it's the same thing, there's men that won't
Speaker 3: do things with their wives that they would do with
Speaker 3: other women.
Speaker 1: To say that you could fuck your partner in the
Speaker 1: house or was it no, No, she said she doesn't
Speaker 1: want her partner to. I would be fine with that,
Speaker 1: she said.
Speaker 4: She I'm saying so, like, and I think what makes
Speaker 4: it scarier too for men listening is like, how can
Speaker 4: I ask my girlfriend these things with two women? No,
Speaker 4: with two women that are comfortable doing it. And it's
Speaker 4: like the fear of being like I could suck up
Speaker 4: the way you think about me, Like it's it's hella
Speaker 4: scary because pegging really puts men into this space of like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm totally bottoming, I'm being submissive, and
Speaker 4: I could not only just losing the power in the
Speaker 4: sex element of it, but like in the relationship, right
Speaker 4: in the relationship, Like pegging is scary as fuck because
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of friends in my life right
Speaker 4: now that and you know, we've been talking about this
Speaker 4: for a year. I have peg niggas it's not really
Speaker 4: my thing, but I've done it. But like that are
Speaker 4: having issues with how they see someone after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think it's also like like it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of our It falls on the woman that's doing
Speaker 1: it to not put that pressure on them after like yeah,
Speaker 1: this shouldn't really change, Like in the back of my mind, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like I'm gonna remember this, but like,
Speaker 1: why should I treat my husband any different? Nothing? Nothing
Speaker 1: about our relationships say so much. I feel like the
Speaker 1: women ask don't do it? So yeah, but don't but
Speaker 1: that got women. What will happen is this is usually
Speaker 1: like nine times that's what happened. Is the man will
Speaker 1: then ask her like something will normal will happen in
Speaker 1: the relationship, and she has a completely different response because
Speaker 1: she sees him completely different. Well not only that, and
Speaker 1: that has its on her to keep that intact. But
Speaker 1: a woman now.
Speaker 3: Assumes because you took this strap, are you poking your
Speaker 3: homeboys when you go over and play video games.
Speaker 1: And see what happens all relationships? Also, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this, Oh no, that's not why I was actually
Speaker 1: thinking about this when you first pose the question. Because
Speaker 1: I feel like the main part is always being able
Speaker 1: to be yourself. And if you're in a relationship where
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I don't know, especially if you've been
Speaker 1: in this relationship for over a year, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can say this without her reacting weird. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You should be able to say anything and
Speaker 1: always be yourself. And even if you get to that
Speaker 1: threesome situation, if you have to then censor yourself, you're
Speaker 1: not having the experience that you deserve. For the experience
Speaker 1: that you want, and if you're gonna want to have
Speaker 1: it again, it's important for your partner to see how
Speaker 1: you really want to do it, because then you go
Speaker 1: and you do it this vanilla way and you're thinking
Speaker 1: about her the whole time, and the next time she
Speaker 1: lets you do it and you let loose, then it's
Speaker 1: still cause a problem. Listen, if you've never been and
Speaker 1: you've been thinking about it. Paid professional always Yeah. First
Speaker 1: of all, I was just about to say that my client,
Speaker 1: my client that I saw the other night, I just
Speaker 1: showed up. It was so easy, was so quick, y'all,
Speaker 1: because she went with me and I left her at
Speaker 1: the barn sad with her minutes. I was telling her
Speaker 1: I was ready because, like I said, he came in
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh, I got a surprise for you.
Speaker 1: He comes around the corner and fishnets and a thong
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh shit, and twin boy turns on
Speaker 1: like that in him and I've got this huge black
Speaker 1: penis and I'm like, I'm taking it slow with him
Speaker 1: or whatever. And he's working, he's doing the most and
Speaker 1: then he goes. He goes like, oh, pound me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, are you sure you can handle it?
Speaker 1: Because again I work on peg him dot com and
Speaker 1: that dude takes him. I'm like, are you sure you
Speaker 1: can handle it. He's like, yeah, I can handle it.
Speaker 1: I did it for maybe like ten seconds and he
Speaker 1: was already coming, and then I was out the door
Speaker 1: like it was that easy. But then I was out
Speaker 1: the door on my way out, him and I got
Speaker 1: to talk. He has a girlfriend and he hires him
Speaker 1: and her have the understanding that they will hire someone
Speaker 1: for this instead of having anything to do with a relationship.
Speaker 1: She's accepted, like, okay, he's into that. She trusted he's
Speaker 1: not gay because she's confident in him and their relationship,
Speaker 1: which is what she should do. And stop because your
Speaker 1: brain will take you to places. Oh I just pegged him.
Speaker 1: Oh is he fucking his homeboys? That is the devil
Speaker 1: and you stop, Okay if there is no proof, that's
Speaker 1: just you being paranoid, honestly, and it can cause problems
Speaker 1: in relationship and it is so much easier for a strap. Trust. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they he was telling me, like, I would never
Speaker 1: let my girlfriend. My girlfriend doesn't want to and so
Speaker 1: that's why we hire, Like there are women out there
Speaker 1: for you. Go and find a sex worker that does
Speaker 1: that and don't put the strain on your relations I
Speaker 1: mean early on conversation, he came in sexts and we
Speaker 1: got to talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was the conversation with me, And
Speaker 3: in my last relationship, it was that I'm good on
Speaker 3: that and if this is what you need and this
Speaker 3: is what you want, I'm fine with you going finding that.
Speaker 1: Yes, because he doesn't want to lose you, Like that's
Speaker 1: just one part of you, and that's what people tend
Speaker 1: to forget. We in America put a lot of importance
Speaker 1: on sex, and it's really stupid, but we do. We
Speaker 1: put a lot of importance on sex, especially in relationships,
Speaker 1: and it ends up causing more problems than than it
Speaker 1: than we really need, right, because ultimately, if you're a
Speaker 1: man loves you and this is just one little quirky
Speaker 1: thing about you that he doesn't like you, the pegging
Speaker 1: is a quirk head work to him. Though, right, it's
Speaker 1: probably like this quirky thing that she likes to do,
Speaker 1: like it's weird and right and like it's weird, but
Speaker 1: like she's not. I'm not being hurt. She's not hurting anybody.
Speaker 1: Let her do it. It's not gonnaffect her.
Speaker 4: She's thinking about me and said, I like to play
Speaker 4: word for friends, and if I added paynords with.
Speaker 1: That word with friends, it's crazy. That's not very quirking.
Speaker 4: I did when to get through like really deep competitions
Speaker 4: and shit like I've done zoom rooms with the people in.
Speaker 1: There, like I'll go to scrabble back. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: right ourganelloshit. This week, guys, we've talked about you having
Speaker 1: boyfriends and them needing to pay well.
Speaker 3: There is a woman who says that she is a
Speaker 3: twelve K girlfriend for hire and tells ladies.
Speaker 1: That they should not date for free.
Speaker 3: She's claiming that she makes more than twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 3: a month as a stand in companion.
Speaker 1: And she is currently trending highly on not only Instagram,
Speaker 1: but TikTok.
Speaker 3: And she began her non traditional career paths a few
Speaker 3: years ago, where she said her first client was willing
Speaker 3: to pay more than five hundred dollars for her time,
Speaker 3: which is also crazy if you go back to the
Speaker 3: archive of horrible decisions. I used to tell women, if
Speaker 3: you're going to ask a man for money, don't let
Speaker 3: it be less than five five hours, because then he's
Speaker 3: gonna think you're a cheap bitch.
Speaker 1: And do not ask for one hundred. Do not ask
Speaker 1: for two hundred.
Speaker 3: You don't ask for your nails. Please ask for five
Speaker 3: hundred nails. Even if what you need is less than
Speaker 3: five hundred. Do not ask for less than five hundred
Speaker 3: because the nigga will look at you as a cheap bitch. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she lives in Japan, but she has been She's began
Speaker 3: charging face to face interactions in Japanese yes, and going
Speaker 3: and going on outings with paying clients. She dresses in
Speaker 3: different ways.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry to interrupt, but before she wasn't seeing
Speaker 1: them in person. She was just charging this perverting it
Speaker 1: might have been, it might have been. She like, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, bit she has been doing a shit
Speaker 1: for years. Yeah, she said.
Speaker 3: It came to me because in my home country, Japan,
Speaker 3: paid dating is actually very normal. So she said she
Speaker 3: just began charging face to face interactions and going on
Speaker 3: outings with paying clients. Her fees started at around five
Speaker 3: hundred and forty dollars, but she claims that some satisfied
Speaker 3: customers would always leave with more, have called up thousands.
Speaker 1: So can I just say an easy fast track to
Speaker 1: the boyfriend You guys were asking how you become a
Speaker 1: boyfriend earlier? My boot thing in La we met online
Speaker 1: through one of the sites and it was arranged to
Speaker 1: be this and we met up and it was five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for dinner. I left with two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and I didn't even have to ask, Like it was
Speaker 1: just like a it's again. And I remember texting him
Speaker 1: after like are you sure you gave me the right envelope?
Speaker 1: And he was like it's a gift with like hearts,
Speaker 1: and like that's how you easily quickly giving me more
Speaker 1: than what I asked for. You're a winner now.
Speaker 3: You're a winner. For those of you who may not
Speaker 3: want to go this route and say you're on the
Speaker 3: older side of things, you can also be a rentable
Speaker 3: parent now. Rensable parents are often people that are stand
Speaker 3: ins for meeting teachers, but also significant others family.
Speaker 1: Let me get into this.
Speaker 3: So the service costs only about seven dollars and seven
Speaker 3: fifty an hour seven dollars and cents an hour, and
Speaker 3: it seemed to grow in popularity both on and offline.
Speaker 3: Advertisements for the rented parents are posted in This is
Speaker 3: in China, Chinese newspapers in the Internet calling out specific
Speaker 3: events where services might be needed.
Speaker 1: So here's like what one would say. Do you have
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or girlfriend who wants to meet your parents,
Speaker 1: but you actually don't want them to meet them, asks
Speaker 1: one of the ads.
Speaker 3: You can now have a stand in set of parents
Speaker 3: for this, a rented parent is needed. Just need to
Speaker 3: make a phone call to a teacher. You can do
Speaker 3: it if you want someone to feel more important in
Speaker 3: your life and meeting the parents maybe an ultimator, so.
Speaker 4: It's not necessarily like the person needs. It's not sexual, Yes,
Speaker 4: it's not sexual. I didn't think it was sexual. I
Speaker 4: was thinking like maybe like a mom died and you
Speaker 4: need like a new mom around. Seems more it's like
Speaker 4: a paid actor.
Speaker 3: Not only that, the country, which still has a lot
Speaker 3: of arranged marriages, has seen an increase in rent boyfriends
Speaker 3: and girlfriends, especially around the holidays, So this is a
Speaker 3: part where they're probably bringing them to party, probably bringing
Speaker 3: them to things like that. So okay, well you can say,
Speaker 3: at thought she said that. I think that's how it started.
Speaker 3: But she's like a girlfriend now for twelve k month?
Speaker 1: Is that what I heard she is?
Speaker 3: And then now there's also this advertisement for parents to
Speaker 3: come in, which also just lents to the fact that
Speaker 3: no one likes being honest. I really like living a
Speaker 3: lie that they create for them.
Speaker 1: Because I saw so many problems as you were reading that,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, well, what about when you actually need
Speaker 1: them to meet her parents? How do you explain the
Speaker 1: fake parents? How do you explain that? What about when
Speaker 1: you actually need, like, if you actually plan to be
Speaker 1: with this person for a long time, be honest with
Speaker 1: them now, because eventually this is like, can I do
Speaker 1: the Devil's out of care? Here we go, sure, here
Speaker 1: we go. What if.
Speaker 4: That person, especially like we just interviewed a few weeks
Speaker 4: ago Jooeying Summers, who's a Chinese comedian that was telling
Speaker 4: us about like, you know how pedigree is a thing.
Speaker 1: What if you felt like your parents weren't good enough
Speaker 1: for like, oh, be honest, why is everybody want to
Speaker 1: be like this is normal? This is acceptable. Like all
Speaker 1: of our childhoods, all of our lives, everything about us
Speaker 1: is different in some way, shape or form. Like it
Speaker 1: might be unfortunate, but if this is the person that
Speaker 1: you're gonna be with, yes, it's tell them. Oh for work, Yes,
Speaker 1: for work. If it's like a work thing and you're
Speaker 1: like I'm not bringing my parents here, yes, But if
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship, I just don't even a stupid thing.
Speaker 1: The school, yeah, the relationship thing, I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like that that's going to create more problems.
Speaker 4: The relationship thing is tough because I think even in
Speaker 4: crazy rich Asians just thinking about it right now, remember
Speaker 4: one was super rich.
Speaker 1: Her family was like this, he was this that, and
Speaker 1: like it was like, okay, this is Titanic Jack. Jack
Speaker 1: should have had his little rich Yeah, you should have
Speaker 1: played some rich firs. Okay, same what happened with Darren
Speaker 1: actually she was pretty much a queen on the season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was the start. I'm not you have shit when
Speaker 1: you came out that motherfucker. No, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, before we get into our horrible decision, because you
Speaker 3: are a new age porn star and content grated, we're
Speaker 3: gonna get into it. But before we get there, in order,
Speaker 3: that is our sex tip. I would love for you
Speaker 3: to give a sex tip to the ladies. You already
Speaker 3: told us how to have boyfriends and a husband, but
Speaker 3: can you give us a sex tip on how.
Speaker 1: To be a porn star in the bedroom? Oh, I
Speaker 1: would say, I would say really believe yes, I mean
Speaker 1: every I feel like my personal experience, like the experience
Speaker 1: that I provide is that, like I have so much
Speaker 1: fun having sex, Like I'm giggling, I'm smiling, I'm like
Speaker 1: like bubbly the whole time, not giggling. I feel Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean like and pe people love my giggle. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I would say for most girls,
Speaker 1: the tip is to do the most. Literally, if you're
Speaker 1: riding the deck were heels, do do it on your tiptoes, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like do the most. And if you don't
Speaker 1: know what the most find some point. I know you're
Speaker 1: already like I use a muscle literally someone of the
Speaker 1: opposite vibe.
Speaker 4: I would literally think, bro, I've had sex with girls
Speaker 4: that dude so much. I'm like, what did she look
Speaker 4: up in port?
Speaker 1: No? I mean like position wise, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like when girls do too much like verbally or like
Speaker 1: yeah no, no, no, no, I am not Please do
Speaker 1: not go no honestly, no no no. Be normal to
Speaker 1: the verbiage and the dialogue. Please be as normal as possible.
Speaker 1: Be yourself because men really like that. And then secondly,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about positions and then your energy as
Speaker 1: you're doing those positions, because normally you'd be kind of
Speaker 1: into it and passionate, but do it as if you're
Speaker 1: doing it for him, like not for yourself, and so
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a little bit more energy in it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna kind of be smiling at him because you
Speaker 1: see what you're doing him like. It's just a whole
Speaker 1: different vibe when you're like.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what not to do. I had a
Speaker 4: nigga laugh at me. Wait wait in the middle wanted
Speaker 4: to kill this nigga. I was fucking BDD and I
Speaker 4: was just like, oh my god. I was like to
Speaker 4: talking to run and he had some good sex, but
Speaker 4: like me and him a fucking on and off for
Speaker 4: a long time for years.
Speaker 1: So he was sucking this ship out of me and
Speaker 1: I was like in the pillow and he was behind me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, you're gonna sucking
Speaker 1: come out of my pussy. And he started laughing. He
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you crazy fuck. He didn't like you're
Speaker 1: saying that? Was that? Was that too? Was that too
Speaker 1: warning for him? I started laughing, and I'm like listen
Speaker 1: because I'm like, damn, he must think I'm really trying,
Speaker 1: but really I was. My brain was just so horny.
Speaker 1: He just about to say, I fuck up all the time.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, don't worry about birth. I was
Speaker 1: liked to think about what you're trying to say. I
Speaker 1: have said some weird I've said, I've bet when I
Speaker 1: really just his dick is fucking me. And I'm saying,
Speaker 1: make that so weird ship, because you're getting your back
Speaker 1: blown out, Your brains is all scrambled, the brain is
Speaker 1: not right. That was hot, and it's just like just
Speaker 1: so nicey, oh girl, he told me the today, bro.
Speaker 1: I hate when there. It was the night that we
Speaker 1: saw you went over there.
Speaker 4: Didn't think I was gonna get no dick. We're fucking
Speaker 4: it was fucking good. We're fucking lit. And then I
Speaker 4: put my leg up and he touched my leg and.
Speaker 1: He goes, just like, next time you come over here,
Speaker 1: you know, you better shave him a fucking leg. Oh away,
Speaker 1: you got a big dick. I can't. That's why he
Speaker 1: could talk like that to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want his big as dick, he said,
Speaker 3: he said, shave the next time.
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Yeah, he definitely humbled you right
Speaker 1: there because oh my god, you know what did you
Speaker 1: what did you say? I was laughing. I was laughing.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 4: I think I was about this sucking sick like but
Speaker 4: we and when you were saying laughing and ship like that.
Speaker 4: Maybe probably in my life those are one of the
Speaker 4: part He's one of the partners where like we.
Speaker 1: Get in and out of it a lot. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can giggle every now. Was about to start sucking. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want even sucking away. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'll take you back.
Speaker 1: I see it, and then you get into the sexy
Speaker 1: cause now he begging and you kind of I was like,
Speaker 1: you knew any nice for me are here?
Speaker 3: Well the horrible decisions I did want to get into
Speaker 3: being a new age porn star content creating What it's like,
Speaker 3: I went to all of your all of your tab
Speaker 3: which will be added in the description of this episode.
Speaker 3: But you create content for cam soda OnlyFans, mini bids.
Speaker 3: You also are now with browsers, so you do actual,
Speaker 3: you do porn Hub. What is the difference for all
Speaker 3: of that? And do all of the platforms get the
Speaker 3: same content?
Speaker 1: For me? For a long time they were, but as
Speaker 1: of now, like sort of all of my like actually
Speaker 1: like directed written, scripted, like full blown scenes. I used
Speaker 1: to do a lot of those just for fun, Like
Speaker 1: I've got I got into this for fun, like as
Speaker 1: you for my story. You could tell it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to do porn, right, and now I got
Speaker 1: this guy that's gonna pay for it. I'm already married,
Speaker 1: my life's taking care of let's go do this thing.
Speaker 1: And so I started by just kind of like having
Speaker 1: fun with it, and then I realized over time that
Speaker 1: I wanted to create in melons. Now my content when
Speaker 1: it comes to my only fans specifically, it's just like
Speaker 1: solo stuff like masturbating and stuff like that, And I
Speaker 1: do my mimosas and masturbation mondays on there so I
Speaker 1: can bring other girls into it. They don't really do
Speaker 1: like boy girl girl girl content on there anymore. It
Speaker 1: kind of I was having so much fun meeting all
Speaker 1: my like because I was a fangirl. I knew all
Speaker 1: these girls from like social media, and like I wanted
Speaker 1: to meet them to fuck them, not to make content,
Speaker 1: but just to like fuck them. And so it's kind
Speaker 1: of taking the funnel out of it for me. So
Speaker 1: now I get to like do the mimosas and masturbation
Speaker 1: mondays with them, and then I still get to hang
Speaker 1: out with them and like do other stuff with them,
Speaker 1: and there's not that pressure to get the sex part
Speaker 1: done on camera. Now there's a lot of stuff on
Speaker 1: your Twitter. There is a lot of sex on Twitter
Speaker 1: as well. What's the best.
Speaker 3: Like sock in the categories? I would like to know
Speaker 3: if it's based on even your partner. I think that
Speaker 3: was one of my questions too, Like do you make
Speaker 3: more money in the orgy scenes? Or women on women,
Speaker 3: or white men versus black men. What are the scenes
Speaker 3: where you feel like you've seen the most the most competentation.
Speaker 3: So when it comes to like mainstream porn, you have
Speaker 3: set rates.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it doesn't really like I get your question,
Speaker 1: but I can't really answer it because it's like you
Speaker 1: have your Every girl has her own set rates. So
Speaker 1: I have a set rate for boy girl scenes, and
Speaker 1: a set right for girlirl scenes, and a set right
Speaker 1: for orgies and a set rate for that, so I
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna get for each of those. I
Speaker 1: was like any other girl, more like the websites. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: when it comes to content trades and stuff and the
Speaker 1: and the content that I've uploaded, I would say that
Speaker 1: my girl girl scenes do better than my boy girl scenes.
Speaker 1: My black black boy girl scenes do better than my
Speaker 1: interracial scenes. But my interracial scenes that I've shot for
Speaker 1: brawsers and all that, they do great. But when I
Speaker 1: shoot personally interracial scenes, I mean, they do decent, But
Speaker 1: I think because my black fans don't get me in
Speaker 1: the mainstream and they only get half of me in
Speaker 1: the in my and the like, there's less of it,
Speaker 1: so it does better. Right, like they want more of
Speaker 1: that and I'm trying. No, I'm trying, but like that's shooting.
Speaker 1: But I also saw a website that we've never talked
Speaker 1: about that I'm familiar with, what the hell is sexting Panther.
Speaker 1: Sex sext Panther is a European site sort of like Arrows,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's so much further along than us,
Speaker 1: and so they allow things like this, and so we
Speaker 1: they have like an app technically now, but like the
Speaker 1: text come directly to your phone, it's just sexting. It's sexting, sexting.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. You. So you set your rates
Speaker 1: like this much to receive a text, this much, to
Speaker 1: send a text, this much, to receive a photo this
Speaker 1: much too sex a photo, this must video. My first
Speaker 1: week one there, I remember, like I was still pretty
Speaker 1: early in the industry, and I was like I called
Speaker 1: a friend like stressed and like, fuck, I'm gonna need
Speaker 1: money right for something at the time, and she's like,
Speaker 1: sign up for sex Pan, y'all, I need three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars in like one week. It's weekly payoffs. In one week.
Speaker 1: I made three thousand dollars on that, and it was
Speaker 1: and it was just me my phone, as normal as
Speaker 1: I usually do and stuff like that. No, it does
Speaker 1: not have to be your face. It's just sexing and
Speaker 1: they'll pay you more. It's like you're a no face girl.
Speaker 1: They'll probably you could probably get hundreds of dollars out
Speaker 1: of that dude just to show them your face. It's
Speaker 1: you have to go to the website and then because
Speaker 1: the app is we don't allow sex apps in the
Speaker 1: United States, so it is an app, but you know
Speaker 1: you got to go the back ass way to get
Speaker 1: it on your phone, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll hold you up with that too. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so you need the app though, because in the US
Speaker 1: we lost our SMS privileges. It used to come right
Speaker 1: to your phone and now you have to have the app,
Speaker 1: and it still comes right to your phone. But if
Speaker 1: you're trying to make money on the go, it's literally
Speaker 1: just it's just girls.
Speaker 4: How is it possible for the women listening that want
Speaker 4: to make extra cash? How is it fucking possible to
Speaker 4: stand out and then over no face and make money.
Speaker 1: No face girls are the best girls. Men want to
Speaker 1: see your face and they will pay a lot of
Speaker 1: money to do that, and I think that turns them on,
Speaker 1: like the fact that they don't know who you are.
Speaker 1: You could be their next or neighbor. You could be
Speaker 1: the girl that like has the same body down the street, like,
Speaker 1: oh is that her? Oh? But you can send mess
Speaker 1: and ship. Yeah, you can show your puss everything but
Speaker 1: your face from here up, everything down, you're good to go.
Speaker 1: And times a lot of times, a lot of times
Speaker 1: they'll be fixed on a certain part of your body
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be your face, so like you're
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. Yeah, no face, it's you like my elbow,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, but no. But look how many people
Speaker 1: have their face cut off?
Speaker 3: A lot a lot of them don't show their faces
Speaker 3: because the panther doesn't have to be your names.
Speaker 1: Ex panther is sort of like porn howb you used
Speaker 1: to be whor it's like the freak come out. But like,
Speaker 1: and a lot of those girls are on there for money, right,
Speaker 1: and they have normal jobs, they have responsibilities, they have kids,
Speaker 1: they have you know, et cetera. And some of them
Speaker 1: just want to be freaky without ruining their lives, or
Speaker 1: they you know, want to make some extra money without
Speaker 1: ruining their lives. Again, this is because we are so
Speaker 1: such crudes or prudes about sex in the United States,
Speaker 1: So we.
Speaker 4: Have I'm just looking through I just clicked on categories
Speaker 4: their female domination girlfriend experience. Looks like it's around one
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Speaker 1: No honors, two fifty. Okay, you can raise them, you
Speaker 1: can you can change each group average. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see two dollars. That's for just words. Now, if
Speaker 1: you need a photo, if I'm looking at a photo
Speaker 1: or sending you a photo, what's the most you've charged
Speaker 1: for a photo? Upwards of like thirty, but I usually
Speaker 1: keep it around fifteen. But if I'm like out and
Speaker 1: you're being extra and you're like, let me share it, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I'm all right, you want it that bad, You're
Speaker 1: gonna pay this much and then it's up to them
Speaker 1: to unlock it or not. But like, yeah, and for
Speaker 1: them to unlock it, they have they have to pay
Speaker 1: ooh for me to for them to even send a
Speaker 1: photo to me, they have to pay, like, because nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten it's gonna be a digpic, you
Speaker 1: have to pay before you send it. So with the today,
Speaker 1: sex panther won't send it with the difference in what you're.
Speaker 3: Making, what has you working with the browsers and the
Speaker 3: larger companies if you can make so much money as
Speaker 3: well independently.
Speaker 1: So I will say, like I say that about sex panther, Right,
Speaker 1: I made three grand, But I'm one of those people,
Speaker 1: like I'm very transparent and like it's not always like that.
Speaker 1: There's some weeks I made nothing on there. There's some
Speaker 1: weeks where like right, but like it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where like you get on there, and especially
Speaker 1: if you're a brand new girl. I think that's why
Speaker 1: I made so much money. They've never seen me on
Speaker 1: this site. They've never been able to talk to me.
Speaker 1: Oh and your porn star and like all this other
Speaker 1: stuff they always and like so on sex pathers specifically,
Speaker 1: they have a page for brand new girls, so like
Speaker 1: the girls that just signed up get a lot of
Speaker 1: exposure on that. And so your gonna be every week, Yeah,
Speaker 1: your first couple of months are going to be your
Speaker 1: best month, but don't expect it to always be like that.
Speaker 1: Just like OnlyFans, some months are going to be better
Speaker 1: than others. Some porn porne sometimes I'm shooting once a month,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm shooting five six times a month. I actually
Speaker 1: quit shooting mainstream because I find that I make You
Speaker 1: were asking me this earlier. I honestly personally find that
Speaker 1: I make my most money in my day to day
Speaker 1: interactions with my clients and boyfriends. Because again, I've met
Speaker 1: so many boyfriends now they're kind of taking care of
Speaker 1: everything I need. I don't need to stress myself by
Speaker 1: running around. I don't need to stress myself by running
Speaker 1: around constantly being tested and having my hair and makeup, nails,
Speaker 1: everything done, when in reality, porn stars don't get paid
Speaker 1: what they should be per scene, right, and I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing on that scene, but is yeah, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to that. So I've already put in the work, is
Speaker 1: what I was about to say. Like my scenes are
Speaker 1: gonna be out there. People still think me A Khalif
Speaker 1: is a porn star and she hasn't shot a scene
Speaker 1: in almost ten fucking years. Like that part doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: Like I don't have to do anything. My scenes are
Speaker 1: gonna be on the internet and I'm not getting anything
Speaker 1: off of that. I've done the work and now it's
Speaker 1: working for me, So I can take the time off
Speaker 1: from stressing and being on set to see the clients
Speaker 1: that I've built in the relationships that me doing this
Speaker 1: work has made for me.
Speaker 4: Do you think that only fans can water down the
Speaker 4: other avenues because basically it's like this feed of you know,
Speaker 4: people you paid to see something. It's just the constant
Speaker 4: feed of it. Do you think that maybe only fans
Speaker 4: will have a point where like these other sites, like
Speaker 4: sex thing seems very basic, but it's also fun.
Speaker 1: And never goes away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm saying like that to me, almost is
Speaker 4: more interesting than every single girl.
Speaker 1: Only fans. We're so much only fans, right, you have
Speaker 1: girls that don't do porn that I have only fans.
Speaker 1: It's just their titties.
Speaker 4: It's just this like oversaturate, Well, can you over so
Speaker 4: it was really can you oversaturate yourself as an adult.
Speaker 1: As an adult performer, as like, let's say you have
Speaker 1: a specific niche and you're a content creator, that's one thing.
Speaker 1: As an adult performer, a porn star Alisa An or
Speaker 1: something like that, Like you honestly have to do it
Speaker 1: all and it's not because it's not even a matter
Speaker 1: of oversaturating. You're gonna have fans that only use Twitter
Speaker 1: or Twitter and Instagram, and then some that only use
Speaker 1: Reddit in Twitch, and then some that only use porn Hub,
Speaker 1: some that don't like porn Hub and they want to
Speaker 1: use OnlyFans, Some that want to sex, they don't like
Speaker 1: watching your scenes, they want to talk to you, some
Speaker 1: that want to do this, and some that want to
Speaker 1: do that. So it's up to you as a performer
Speaker 1: to make sure that each of your fans has access
Speaker 1: to you based on their likes and their needs, right,
Speaker 1: And it falls on me to actually do the things
Speaker 1: that I like, because there are fans that I know
Speaker 1: that I'm missing because I'm not gonna do Reddit, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do Twitch. I've tried it. I have and
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people that will try everything platform
Speaker 1: yeah and so and Twitch and sitting there streaming for
Speaker 1: hours just like and it's like I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I don't have the time or the patience or the whatever,
Speaker 1: right And I know that I'm missing out on those fans.
Speaker 1: But again, that's why I spread myself out so much,
Speaker 1: because maybe I'm not on Twitch, but maybe the people
Speaker 1: that are on Twitch might be on something else that
Speaker 1: I'm you, and maybe that boyfriend's gonna be right right
Speaker 1: there exactly. You're asking me how I meet them? The
Speaker 1: DC one, Instagram, the Freakin' the one that I used
Speaker 1: to have in Colorado I think was like tender, the
Speaker 1: one that I have in Miami. Some website like a
Speaker 1: Reddit or something that found me and like founded, Like
Speaker 1: was smart enough to find my website send me a
Speaker 1: like right, and so like it's all like, putting yourself
Speaker 1: in all those places just ups your chances of finding
Speaker 1: the man that you're looking for and making more money
Speaker 1: the most. Like, I think you can't oversaturate yourself. The
Speaker 1: market can be oversaturated with girls, but when you're selling you,
Speaker 1: you need to make sure that that's everywhere. It's available
Speaker 1: to people everywhere. I mean even it's available to people everywhere.
Speaker 1: But don't worry about the fact that you're fighting with
Speaker 1: a million other women. Just make sure that you're on
Speaker 1: every platform so that you're giving yourself the red exposure.
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