Speaker 1: Have you ever heard a noise you cannot explain something
Speaker 1: that is continual, something that is Dare I say haunting?
Speaker 1: That's our classic episode.
Speaker 2: This evening, specifically a hum as you indicate it with
Speaker 2: your delightful home sound, and specifically in the area of Windsor,
Speaker 2: Ontario in Canada.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, this is a baffling one, guys. I know we
Speaker 4: have talked about strange hums that have been occurring more
Speaker 4: recently because this is back twenty eighteen, but there are
Speaker 4: some hums happening now that are associated with what they're
Speaker 4: like large data centers, but they're specifically for crypto mining. Sure,
Speaker 4: they emanate this weird hum. And there are some small
Speaker 4: towns across the globe they're like, man, there's something new
Speaker 4: and weird that's happening.
Speaker 2: We've heard all kinds of stories where people attribute like
Speaker 2: sympathetic vibrations from like a modem or something to ethereal
Speaker 2: kind of sense. It's very interesting, and this was kind
Speaker 2: of the first story I think I had run into
Speaker 2: with y'all that really starts to dig into that kind
Speaker 2: of phenomenon.
Speaker 1: And as someone who has active auditory hallucinations, this is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting to me. As well. Here's our classic episode,
Speaker 1: what is the windsor hum?
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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 4: name is Noel.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We were joined with our super
Speaker 1: producer Paul Decant. Give him an audio nod or clap.
Speaker 1: The spirit so moves you. But most importantly, you are here,
Speaker 1: and you are you, and that makes this stuff if
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. We hope this podcast
Speaker 1: finds you in good spirits. We hope you find our voices.
Speaker 1: If not soothing, tolerable, just get.
Speaker 3: Some room tones, some hum tone.
Speaker 4: See now, what we'll do is take that and then
Speaker 4: run it through a program that specifically deletes all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we're all about noise reduction here on stuff
Speaker 2: they don't want you to denounce.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 1: We also link many podcasters put in our due diligence
Speaker 1: when it comes to finding, isolating and erasing strange or
Speaker 1: extraneous noises. And this brings us to maybe an opening
Speaker 1: question for today's show. Have you ever heard a sound
Speaker 1: that bugs you. Now, we're not referencing something like missophonia,
Speaker 1: where certain noises push you into a blind rage, like
Speaker 1: snoring or the sounds of forks on ceramics. That's a
Speaker 1: big one for people. We're talking about something you just
Speaker 1: can't quite put your finger on.
Speaker 4: In some cases, as in my case. In our home,
Speaker 4: there's a leaky faucet that I have yet to fix,
Speaker 4: and I keep putting it off. But man, that sound,
Speaker 4: it just feels like it reverberates throughout my smile, my
Speaker 4: small home. Man, there's these sounds happen again. It's almost
Speaker 4: like they're haunting me. But there are other things, like
Speaker 4: maybe a fan. It's oscillating just slightly as it's spinning
Speaker 4: around just a little too much.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a family of rabid squirrels that
Speaker 2: live in my attic. Oh wow, they make all kinds
Speaker 2: of sounds. Oh yeah, they do. I've had that before.
Speaker 2: We actually just fixed it. But I was really worried
Speaker 2: that my landlord was gonna block off the hole while
Speaker 2: the squirrels are still in there.
Speaker 4: And then the smell. You didn't think of the smell, you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, I texted him, please please don't close up
Speaker 2: the hole while the squirrels are still in there, and
Speaker 2: he seemed a little offended that I would think you
Speaker 2: would be so stupid.
Speaker 3: But the onlyas only response was sure.
Speaker 1: Oh I thought it was a reply was lull, No,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: I'm actually unclear about what that response implied, if he
Speaker 2: was annoyed with me, or if he really hadn't.
Speaker 1: Considered it right right. It's tough to tell and text,
Speaker 1: but there is regardless of the source of the sound,
Speaker 1: there's an immense satisfaction we can all agree in identifying
Speaker 1: it and stopping it. You know, and you find the
Speaker 1: leaky faucet, you fix it. The squirrels are out of
Speaker 1: the attic. But in some cases, that wine, that creek,
Speaker 1: that hum or, that odd bump every night at three
Speaker 1: thirty seven am, regardless of what you do, in some cases,
Speaker 1: they can continue indefinitely. In For years, the entire city
Speaker 1: of Windsor, Ontario, has been haunted by an unidentified noise.
Speaker 1: Locals compare it to the sound of distant thunder, which
Speaker 1: actually sounds sort of romantic when you first think about it,
Speaker 1: or a subwoofer at a concert which sounds torturous, or
Speaker 1: a fleet of diesel engines idling, and they call this
Speaker 1: the Windsor hum So.
Speaker 2: Windsor, Ontario, is right across the river from Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 2: It is the southernmost city in Canada and actually due
Speaker 2: south of Detroit.
Speaker 1: Due to the way the river bends. And it's counterintuitive
Speaker 1: on the map. It's not a huge metropolis, you know,
Speaker 1: it's new in New York City, Shanghai or Chicago. But
Speaker 1: it's certainly not a tiny town. It has a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty robust population.
Speaker 3: It has a metro area, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it is strange to see it when you
Speaker 4: see Lake Saint Clair and then just this river, the
Speaker 4: Detroit River going down in How really close these two
Speaker 4: cities are Detroit in Windsor.
Speaker 1: It's odd, Yes, yes, it's odd, and they're so close
Speaker 1: that they cannot not affect each other correctly. The total
Speaker 1: population of the Windsor metro area as of twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: was around three hundred and forty four thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and forty seven people. Weird to say around and then
Speaker 1: give the exact number, but that probably has changed over
Speaker 1: time because we're in twenty eighteen now. As Noel pointed out,
Speaker 1: that metropolitan area includes more than just Windsor, as Tecumsa, Amherstburg,
Speaker 1: LaSalle and Lakeshore included there. And this city has had
Speaker 1: its ups and downs. The recession hit the area very hard.
Speaker 1: We're talking about an automotive industry that went and declined
Speaker 1: steel making as well, and this led a vice journalist
Speaker 1: named Minisha Krishnan to compile a series of let's call
Speaker 1: them unflattering depictions of the town. It was described as again,
Speaker 1: this is not us. I don't think any of us
Speaker 1: have been to Windsor.
Speaker 4: Have we not yet?
Speaker 2: No, No, I've never been to Canada that I recall.
Speaker 4: We'll get up there.
Speaker 2: Well, let's get up there together, guys. How about that?
Speaker 1: Sure, let's take a trip. If we go to Windsor,
Speaker 1: According to some of its critics, we will be visiting
Speaker 1: Canada's armpit, place known for car robberies, drug dealing, and
Speaker 1: quote zero to little culture. One person poetically noted.
Speaker 4: Windsor smells like desperate American youth mixed with dirty Canadian hosers.
Speaker 2: Who are these people talking such trash about Windsor?
Speaker 1: There are people from Windsor Windsor. One student at the
Speaker 1: University of Windsor said The city may smell, and the
Speaker 1: university may be but who gives a once you're drunk. Wow,
Speaker 1: not a ringing endorsement. But the city has been on
Speaker 1: the up and up recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been some urban revitalization, the thing we call
Speaker 4: you notice that sound there. Gentrification maybe is another word
Speaker 4: to call it. But hey, it's been in full swing.
Speaker 4: All kinds of things, you know, are being created there
Speaker 4: that used to be on the rubbels of someone else's troubles.
Speaker 1: There we go. That was well done, Matt. Yeah, Art
Speaker 1: Galleries and Windsor is also known for its pizza. Apparently
Speaker 1: the secret is they cut the pepperoni into small bits
Speaker 1: really nice.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's sort of like the New York
Speaker 2: pizza dough and bagels?
Speaker 3: Because there's something weird going on in the water.
Speaker 1: Quite possibly. I would love to check it out.
Speaker 3: Sure, take some tests to samples, Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, for sciats. We can pitch it to our bosses.
Speaker 1: If you live in the area, right in and let
Speaker 1: them know that you'd love to see us on the road. Foreshadowing.
Speaker 1: It's also known for its strip clubs, and, according to
Speaker 1: some more cynical locals, the best thing about it is
Speaker 1: that it's close to Detroit.
Speaker 4: Really really close.
Speaker 3: M Yeah.
Speaker 2: Atlanta is also known for its strip clubs, just putting
Speaker 2: that out there because we have something in common.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Portland is known for that too, is that right? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: the last time I was there, the uber driver told
Speaker 1: me it was listening facts about Portland, you know, and
Speaker 1: he one of the facts he lists did somewhat awkwardly.
Speaker 1: He said, I, you know, I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: into this or what kind of trip you're on, but
Speaker 1: Portland has the highest per capita amount of strip clubs.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you mean in Oregon and he said,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, in the US. I
Speaker 1: have not verified that. I'm not no judgment, I'm not
Speaker 1: really a strip club aficionado.
Speaker 2: I just picture the strippers in Portland wearing all handmade clothes, right,
Speaker 2: birds on it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I love this.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we could only hope you know that sounds pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Of course, there is one other local phenomenon, and that
Speaker 1: is the subject of today's episode, the hum because, along
Speaker 1: with several other small towns, Windsor, Ontario, has been plagued
Speaker 1: by this humming sound in unpredictable ways. At least since
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, no one seems to know the origin of it,
Speaker 1: and as of yet, as we record, no one has
Speaker 1: been able to accurately predict when it will occur.
Speaker 4: And do you want to let everybody hear what it
Speaker 4: sounds like. We're gonna play a quick clip here. But
Speaker 4: if you don't have some pretty good headphones with frequency
Speaker 4: response that goes well into the deep registers, you may
Speaker 4: not be able to hear this your phone, definitely, if
Speaker 4: you're playing with your phone speakers, you're not gonna be
Speaker 4: able to hear it. So prepare yourselves with some either
Speaker 4: headphones or speakers and listen to this. And that's it.
Speaker 4: And I totally get the whole sound of a subwiffer
Speaker 4: out in the distance, like there's a concert occurring somewhere
Speaker 4: that you can't see, but you can totally hear the bass.
Speaker 4: I get that with this place called Plaza Fiesta that's
Speaker 4: near my home where.
Speaker 3: Which is great. That's my favorite place in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: It's one of the coolest places in Atlanta. But if
Speaker 4: they have an outdoor concert or something, you can totally
Speaker 4: here in the sub for like way way far away.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because that sound carries so powerfully, and we
Speaker 1: know that for many people listening, it may sound like
Speaker 1: you just sat through a couple of seconds of silence.
Speaker 1: But as my fellow co hosts, both of whom are
Speaker 1: noted audio experts, can assure you, we really did play
Speaker 1: a clip that had a sound in it.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it was real.
Speaker 3: I mean Paul was supposed to stick it in and post.
Speaker 3: He did his job.
Speaker 2: Right, then, we did play a clip. We didn't make
Speaker 2: it happen manually, though.
Speaker 1: Oh we got the we got this shrug.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did it, he did it. You know, he's
Speaker 4: the only person on our show who gets introduced with
Speaker 4: the last name. Isn't that kind of strange? I feel
Speaker 4: like if somehow he's way more important than us.
Speaker 1: You can use any last name you want on the
Speaker 1: show man.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they call you Ben, all right, I got you.
Speaker 1: You can use any name you want. And I you
Speaker 1: know Noel, now that I think about it, we've never
Speaker 1: checked to see whether Matt's real name is Matt.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind a real trustworthy face.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: He's doing it. He's doing it right now, face you stop.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's kind of like in primal
Speaker 1: fear Edward Norton's character for most of the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you see that?
Speaker 4: Till the turn?
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it, but but we do
Speaker 1: know that this thing is apparently real nowadays. If you're
Speaker 1: a person given to Facebook and you're interested in this thing,
Speaker 1: there's good news. First, you can go to our community page.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, where you can find where
Speaker 1: you can find us and your fellow listeners sharing strange,
Speaker 1: bizarre stories and sometimes some really solid jokes. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Come for the creepy stories, stay for the memes.
Speaker 1: That's what we've always said, every time, every time. And
Speaker 1: the second thing you could do if you are interested
Speaker 1: in this is check out Some of the Facebook groups
Speaker 1: dedicated to solving the mystery of the hum have not
Speaker 1: conclusively solved it yet, and we'll tell you why in
Speaker 1: a moment. But the individuals in these groups and other
Speaker 1: forums online share information about the phenomenon, recordings of the
Speaker 1: actual sound as best they can record it, descriptions of
Speaker 1: where they were when they encountered something, in the time
Speaker 1: of day, and so on. And we should say that
Speaker 1: not all residents of the affected communities claim to have
Speaker 1: heard this, so you'll run into people who say, well,
Speaker 1: my dad heard it, yes, or my significant other did,
Speaker 1: but I have not personally encountered it. But nonetheless, it
Speaker 1: is a well known phenomenon in this area, and virtually
Speaker 1: everyone believes it's real. There's no one at this point
Speaker 1: saying it's hocus pocus or a load of hocum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ranges those people like you said maybe my
Speaker 4: dad heard it to other people who have four recording
Speaker 4: like recorders set up on their property somewhere recording every day.
Speaker 4: Just listening to this hum and trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Is think, you know, off air, we had talked about
Speaker 1: this a little bit. This made us think of how
Speaker 1: many strange noises we just encounter and accept in our
Speaker 1: day to day. Now, the four of us live in
Speaker 1: a city, we live in a metro area, and really
Speaker 1: it's startling how many noises we just don't consciously register
Speaker 1: that surround us at all times. And Paul was mentioning
Speaker 1: earlier that when he or when other filmmakers stop for
Speaker 1: room tone and everybody quiets down for a moment, that's
Speaker 1: when you hear this strange you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a chuff.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is. It's always something, especially if you're outdoors.
Speaker 4: That's when you'll hear the construction equipment that's going on
Speaker 4: miles away that you had no idea what was happening,
Speaker 4: but you can totally hear it.
Speaker 1: And so it's not unusual to have strange noises in
Speaker 1: our lives. But the hum is a little bit different
Speaker 1: in this case because it has been linked to detrimental
Speaker 1: health effects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this definitely changes the game a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's been linked to actual physical symptoms like depression, which
Speaker 2: seems broad to me, but we can move on from that.
Speaker 3: Here's some more measurable ones. I would say.
Speaker 2: Nausea, sleep problems, heart palpitations, earaches, headaches, not to mention
Speaker 2: another one that's a little broad, but I love it,
Speaker 2: widespread annoyance.
Speaker 4: That's probably the most easily understood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess when I say broad,
Speaker 2: it just mean like one person's base level is another
Speaker 2: person's hyper annoyed. But I'm more interested in the you know,
Speaker 2: the heart palpitations and the earaches and anything physical like that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like most of the people that live.
Speaker 2: In Windsor, Ontario are probably pretty depressed and annoyed already.
Speaker 2: If the descriptions are any indication, just putting that out there,
Speaker 2: no judgment on you windsor these are in your words.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, these again we haven't we haven't been there.
Speaker 1: But I appreciate the point you mentioned all about baselines
Speaker 1: being radically different. You know, some people are just real pills.
Speaker 1: That's a tragedy of the human condition. But some experts
Speaker 1: have started calling this a vibroacoustic disease, which sounds cool
Speaker 1: but a little redundant in my opinion. There's a medical
Speaker 1: opinion we found from a doctor Darius Cohon, who is
Speaker 1: the director of atology and neurotology at Lenox Hill Hospital
Speaker 1: and Manhattan Eye, Ear and Throat Hospital, and he said
Speaker 1: that the low frequency hum was unlikely to cause long
Speaker 1: term hearing damage, similar to what we had talked about
Speaker 1: in our previous episode on sonic weapons in Cuba, but
Speaker 1: it could be as debilitating as tois tonitis. Is that
Speaker 1: persistent ringing in the ears that just ruins life for
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 2: Which I think you get from pretty slow and steady
Speaker 2: hearing damage over time. It's certainly one way, like if
Speaker 2: you're a sound guy, for example, in your constant exposing
Speaker 2: your ears to you know, above recommended decibel levels, you know,
Speaker 2: on the regular, you could develop something like this. I
Speaker 2: could see how this relatively imperceptible low frequency sound too
Speaker 2: to most or you know, obviously it's perceptible, but it's
Speaker 2: certainly kind of it's not to the point where you
Speaker 2: can't hear over it. It's just sort of like this
Speaker 2: base level kind of buzz. I could see how over time,
Speaker 2: if it was strong enough frequency, it could probably damage
Speaker 2: your hearing well.
Speaker 4: And the other thing is, since it's such a low frequency,
Speaker 4: it penetrates things like walls when you're in your home.
Speaker 4: It's their reports of being able to hear it sitting
Speaker 4: in the middle of your living room or in your
Speaker 4: bedroom when you're trying to sleep. So and if you
Speaker 4: imagine that sound of if there was a subwall for
Speaker 4: somewhere outside of your house.
Speaker 3: Was just going.
Speaker 2: I'm picturing this sound as like a personification of some
Speaker 2: sort of creepy dude and like a trench coat, just
Speaker 2: like coming into your house while you're asleep and just
Speaker 2: humming in your ear.
Speaker 3: Geez.
Speaker 1: I would take the dude sound.
Speaker 4: Honestly, because you can do something about.
Speaker 1: It you can put down somebody, just the way you
Speaker 1: said about you're like, you know, it could can come
Speaker 1: through walls, it's coming in while you're sleeping, it's constantly
Speaker 1: outside knocking on your Yeah. I mean it's a great point.
Speaker 1: And another worthwhile point to make is that this is
Speaker 1: not a case of people imagining a noise. This is
Speaker 1: not mass hysteria. This is not a shared audio hallucination,
Speaker 1: at least not all the time. Because surely when you
Speaker 1: have a population this size, there are going to be
Speaker 1: a couple of people who are mistaken. Maybe it really
Speaker 1: was just their neighbor's sub boover.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if it's just a couple of residents around the
Speaker 4: town talking about, hey, I kind of heard this thing.
Speaker 3: Maybe, Oh, Ben, can I clarify with you?
Speaker 2: So this doctor Cohen Cohan, he is he saying that
Speaker 2: the sound itself, when experienced, could be as debilitating as tonight's.
Speaker 2: Just this the existence of it constantly in your life,
Speaker 2: or that it could cause the kind of effects that
Speaker 2: tonight's would cause.
Speaker 1: Great question. Note that it would be equally as much
Speaker 1: of a pain in the kyser as tonight, not that
Speaker 1: it would cause it.
Speaker 3: Got it? Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, I think I mischaracterized it entirely then, But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's interesting. I mean, I bet you there's a there's
Speaker 2: an alternate opinion too, probably many.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, so we will encounter them this thing. Here's
Speaker 1: how real it is. This thing is so painful to
Speaker 1: part of the population that they've packed up, they've moved,
Speaker 1: they've raised their tent stakes and tried to escape the HUM.
Speaker 1: So what on earth is this thing? Where does it
Speaker 1: come from? Will tell you after a word from our sponsor.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, because you see, the concern
Speaker 1: about the HUM went beyond chatterick town hall and angry
Speaker 1: post on forums. The authorities got involved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Canadian government, it's did. There was a month
Speaker 4: long investigation by Natural Resources Canada in the summer of
Speaker 4: twenty eleven and it identified the HUM as a prominent
Speaker 4: airborne frequency of approximately thirty five hertz. And there is
Speaker 4: a report that you can read on this that you
Speaker 4: can find online by the Geological Survey of Canada that
Speaker 4: was performed in twenty eleven and it goes through exactly
Speaker 4: what they found.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was another twenty fourteen investigation carried out
Speaker 1: by the University of Western Ontario or UWO and the
Speaker 1: University of Winsor, and they were supported in this study
Speaker 1: by the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade
Speaker 1: or Defight A Fight the Fight. They also confirmed the
Speaker 1: existence of the hum in their study, and both of
Speaker 1: these endeavors were able to prove that there was something
Speaker 1: weird going on, something amiss, even if they could not
Speaker 1: conclusively discern the source. They feel like they got close though,
Speaker 1: I feel like they got close.
Speaker 4: And in that study they even look at the hum
Speaker 4: in general that we've spoken about on this show before,
Speaker 4: in all these various places of the world, which you know,
Speaker 4: you imagine that the windsor hum is a very specific
Speaker 4: thing that probably has a source. But then there are
Speaker 4: all these other places in the world in Wales, in
Speaker 4: British Columbia, in Mexico, Alabama, England.
Speaker 1: New Mexico too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just all these places that experienced something.
Speaker 1: Like this, and the question then becomes what could be
Speaker 1: causing the sound. That's what they were attempting to answer
Speaker 1: in this case. And they had the benefit, at least
Speaker 1: the residents of Windsor had the benefit of a government
Speaker 1: that took this seriously. Because other reports of hums have
Speaker 1: been investigated with much less rigor, you know, and you
Speaker 1: can also when you read these studies, you can dig
Speaker 1: into the technical details of the array they use, the
Speaker 1: algorithms they use, and how they attempted to remove any
Speaker 1: alarmism or hysteria and keep it all objective. But despite that,
Speaker 1: according to an excellent article by The Guardian, the hum's
Speaker 1: persistent presence in the city has inspired a slew of
Speaker 1: their words not.
Speaker 4: Ours, conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Yep, from a PhD thesis that seeks to incorporate or
Speaker 1: the noise into song or figure out what kind of
Speaker 1: musical pattern, like you could sample the HUM like you
Speaker 1: get or maybe it's some other grand song like a
Speaker 1: whale song or.
Speaker 3: Something mm hmm, gotcha okay.
Speaker 4: But coming from the Rouge River or maybe the Detroit River.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so not maybe not a whale, but some
Speaker 1: sort of yeah, some sort of musical phenomenon. There are
Speaker 1: also theories, of course, that link the HUM to unidentified
Speaker 1: flying objects or UFOs or possibly covert tunnel by the
Speaker 1: Canadian military. However, these studies, although again they didn't definitively
Speaker 1: get their kaiser SoSE here, they did pick what they
Speaker 1: would call a place of interest it's a little place
Speaker 1: called Zug Island.
Speaker 3: That's not real.
Speaker 4: It is very much real.
Speaker 3: Wow, And it's an amazing name for an island.
Speaker 1: It's a terrible name, Zug. What is it like? I
Speaker 1: am King of the Zugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a it's like a space slug.
Speaker 1: They sound like enemies of the Umpah lumpas.
Speaker 4: Indeed, it's got a different name, the whole island. It
Speaker 4: is kind of It is an island now. Now it
Speaker 4: wasn't always an island, but it's a fascinating place.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I how does something have not always been
Speaker 3: an island?
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you asked.
Speaker 4: So. Originally the land, the land that would become Zug
Speaker 4: Island was a peninsula, and for thousands of years it
Speaker 4: was this uninhabited area that was also a Native American
Speaker 4: burial ground.
Speaker 1: True story, Yeah, an uninhabited Native American burial ground. What
Speaker 1: do we mean by uninhabited? We mean that native populations
Speaker 1: would go there to bury their dead and would not
Speaker 1: live there because they would be living on a sacred gravesite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there you know, Wow, I'm picturing like a
Speaker 2: pet cemetery kind of situation.
Speaker 4: Well just wait, so then it becomes an island after
Speaker 4: a canal is dug. Okay, so if you're looking at
Speaker 4: it on Google Maps, Detroit is just above it. And
Speaker 4: then across the river, of course, you've got windsor and
Speaker 4: you're traveling down the Detroit River, there's this tiny little thing.
Speaker 4: It doesn't even look like an island at all. And
Speaker 4: that's because this canal was dug around this peninsula area
Speaker 4: where the Rouge River goes into the Detroit River.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, So now with this canal, the idea was
Speaker 1: that the ships would be able to save some time.
Speaker 4: That's all it was meant for.
Speaker 1: That's all it is. It's a shortcut, and this allowed
Speaker 1: ships to bypass not even that much of a distance,
Speaker 1: like several hundred yards. Maybe. The island is named after
Speaker 1: a specific guy, Samuel Zug, a bookkeeper and turned into
Speaker 1: a furniture magnate. He went to Michigan to become a
Speaker 1: furniture magnet and he turned into a real estate mogul.
Speaker 1: And originally he and his wife were going to live
Speaker 1: on Zug Island. It didn't really suit them, so he
Speaker 1: ended up selling it and it became a place where
Speaker 1: a lot of industries. Originally dumped stuff again on this
Speaker 1: burial ground.
Speaker 4: Big industries too, were talking iron and steel works, and
Speaker 4: it really has. The work that's gone on on top
Speaker 4: of this land has really taken a toll on it
Speaker 4: over the years. And if you look at it in
Speaker 4: Google Maps from above, it just like a darkness.
Speaker 1: Like a dystopian vision. Yeah, from a steampunk novel. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it does have an environmental toll. According to an article
Speaker 1: in the January twentieth, twenty ten edition of the Detroit
Speaker 1: Free Press, the neighborhoods around the area comprise six of
Speaker 1: the ten most polluted zip codes in Michigan, six of
Speaker 1: the ten.
Speaker 4: Geez.
Speaker 1: The air quality samples contain lead, high levels of methyl
Speaker 1: ethyl ketone. Large numbers of cancer and asthma cases occur there.
Speaker 1: There are foul smells with sparkly dust that have to
Speaker 1: be removed with toilet cleaner.
Speaker 4: Geez.
Speaker 1: But the good news is local businesses, communities, and governments
Speaker 1: have so far kept part of the island undeveloped and
Speaker 1: otherwise scarce. Wildlife can thrive in those areas right now.
Speaker 1: One of the big business on the island is US Steel.
Speaker 1: You may recall, friends and neighbors, especially American friends and
Speaker 1: neighbors from recent conversations about steel tariffs here in the
Speaker 1: United States. Yeah, still in business. It's a big business.
Speaker 1: You might not hear about it much unless it pops
Speaker 1: up in a political sphere or unless you are involved
Speaker 1: in the steel or iron making industry. But yes, it
Speaker 1: is a big deal. And US Steel. You might be
Speaker 1: asking yourself, well, hey, guys, what do they do on
Speaker 1: the island? We don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, according to US Steel their website us steel dot com,
Speaker 4: this facility is called Great Lakes Works, and on there
Speaker 4: it says this is just what it says, steel making
Speaker 4: occurs here. It has finishing facilities, and products manufactured at
Speaker 4: the plant include hot rolled, cold rolled, and coated sheet
Speaker 4: steels that are used primarily by customers in the automotive industry. However,
Speaker 4: if you look at the thing, and you look at
Speaker 4: the place, it doesn't look like much is going on there.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing that's this is the primary beef
Speaker 1: people have with it. They say that US Steel is
Speaker 1: uncooperative in terms of allowing access to the island, and
Speaker 1: that breeds of course, that breeds suspicion, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But we've run into this before with any kind
Speaker 2: of utility or large corporate entity or manufacturer.
Speaker 3: They don't want you coming around their place, right.
Speaker 2: Like with the looking for the Secret Buildings, the hidden
Speaker 2: Buildings in New York, and we found this power substation
Speaker 2: that was disguised as like a you know, apartment. We
Speaker 2: wand around there for five minutes since someone came out
Speaker 2: and told us to get I mean.
Speaker 1: In a very polite way. That was very nice guy.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 2: I'm just say I don't think it necessarily implies a
Speaker 2: conspiracy right off the bat, but you know, there's a
Speaker 2: probably good reason they don't want people coming around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great point. So the con ed substation,
Speaker 1: Mott Substation, an Haven, Mott Haven, thank you with two t's.
Speaker 1: That place looks like a fancy condo or apartment building
Speaker 1: that takes up an entire block, and they don't want
Speaker 1: you there.
Speaker 3: This place is the literal garbage island.
Speaker 1: Right, They don't and they don't want you there, And
Speaker 1: it's it's a great point. It doesn't mean that something
Speaker 1: the farius is going on. It just means that, look,
Speaker 1: they're not going to be selling to the public. The
Speaker 1: four of us aren't going to walk there and buy
Speaker 1: you know, two tons of cold rolled steel for our purposes.
Speaker 2: Not this year, not this year, saving up for that
Speaker 2: big DIY home improvement project.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build a I'm gonna build a mech nice.
Speaker 1: But this is a great point. I mean, that doesn't
Speaker 1: secrecy does not necessarily imply any kind of any kind
Speaker 1: of untoward activity. But we can totally see how people
Speaker 1: who think that, because the big question is, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not doing any wrong, why can't we see it.
Speaker 1: One of the arguments, by the way, from Mount Haven
Speaker 1: that substation is an argument about security of infrastructure. So
Speaker 1: we were able to find it because we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're fairly intrepid. And the big question for someone who's
Speaker 1: trying to protect that or keep it secret is, well,
Speaker 1: if these yahoos could find this thing on their own,
Speaker 1: what would a professional you know, militia or a group
Speaker 1: of spies or terrorists, what would stop them from doing
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 4: Just to jump on the arguments you guys are talking
Speaker 4: about with the secrecy and everything, the other issue here
Speaker 4: is that it's an international problem, right, yes, I mean
Speaker 4: we're talking about two different countries that are separated by
Speaker 4: this tiny little body of water going across and what
Speaker 4: people on one side are being affected potentially by what's
Speaker 4: going on on the other side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as as you mentioned earlier, Matt, they are going
Speaker 1: to inevitably affect one another regardless of what's political. Borders exist,
Speaker 1: they don't change the geography. And that's also part of
Speaker 1: the reason why the Canadian studies could not make definitive conclusions, right.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get access. Uncle Sam said nah. Well, Us
Speaker 1: Steel said nah, and then Uncle Sam said that's.
Speaker 3: Right, that's my boy, and got his back.
Speaker 1: So they did their best isolate and again, the science
Speaker 1: here is really solid and they're pretty transparent about where
Speaker 1: they feel. Their study came up short due to the
Speaker 1: unpredictable nature of the HUM. They had all this equipment out,
Speaker 1: sometimes the HUM just wouldn't show up. It does what
Speaker 1: it will.
Speaker 4: But they were able to possibly trace the HUM to
Speaker 4: kind of a specific area, and we'll talk about that
Speaker 4: right after a quick word from our.
Speaker 1: Sponsor and we're back, Matt. You're absolutely correct. They traced
Speaker 1: it to Zug Island and furthermore, they traced it to
Speaker 1: a blast furnace.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, these headings on this outline sound like the
Speaker 2: chapters of a young adult fiction book. We've got like
Speaker 2: Zug Island and the blast Furnace, like episodes of Stranger
Speaker 2: Things or something.
Speaker 3: This is a creepy location.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pitch that Stranger Thing season four Zug Island.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: I would watch it, or maybe a reality show sort
Speaker 2: of like The Bachelor in Paradise. But you're on this
Speaker 2: like Toxic Waste Island. I know there's no actual toxic waste.
Speaker 2: It just strikes me as like some sort of like
Speaker 2: Russian toxic waste dumping site that time forgot.
Speaker 4: Kind of well, I mean, this does have the workings
Speaker 4: of a horror movie for me, because there is a
Speaker 4: Native American burial ground on top of which a giant
Speaker 4: industrial structure is placed that's polluting all the land below it,
Speaker 4: and it's part of the industrial machine of the United
Speaker 4: States that killed all of the ancestors.
Speaker 2: So the Native people come back from the day and
Speaker 2: they're like have super mutant strength and zombie powers, and
Speaker 2: they come to exact their revenge on those that polluted there.
Speaker 1: Rest And then this is in the movie, right, and
Speaker 1: the reason they rise up is because they had the
Speaker 1: weight for the stars and the planets to be in
Speaker 1: the right order.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the source of the hum Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's the slow movement of the heavens and.
Speaker 4: They all say zug zugar.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe they all hum. That would be scary. Oh
Speaker 1: they all hum.
Speaker 2: That's they're all humming at the same time. And then
Speaker 2: they've got to create the sympathetic vibration. Then I don't know.
Speaker 1: What will work opens up the darkness between the stars
Speaker 1: rights itself.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But but aside from our fantastic pitch, Paul, are you
Speaker 1: in for this horror movie that we just pitched? All right, great,
Speaker 1: he's in.
Speaker 4: I don't know. That was a trupidacious Yes, I do know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll sell them on it. Yeah, well, this is
Speaker 3: just we're just spit volume.
Speaker 1: We'll get a treatment. We'll do a one page. So
Speaker 1: while we're at it, let's examine this blast furnace. These
Speaker 1: furnaces are huge, they're they're gigantic. They are as powerful
Speaker 1: as they sound. Essentially, here's what occurs. Fuel also known
Speaker 1: as coke, ores and limestone are continuously supplied through the
Speaker 1: top of the furnace, and at the bottom there's this
Speaker 1: blast of hot air, sometimes with oxygen enriched inside of it,
Speaker 1: and it blows through the lower section of the furnace
Speaker 1: through a series of pipes, and the chemical reactions take
Speaker 1: place throughout the furnace as the material, the ores and
Speaker 1: stuff fall downward. This has immense pressure. The end products
Speaker 1: are supposed to be molten metal and various what they
Speaker 1: call slag phases tapped from the bottom and then gases
Speaker 1: exiting the top of the furnace. There's the thing at
Speaker 1: the top is called a bell, and one of the
Speaker 1: blast furnaces on Zug Island has a cracked bell top.
Speaker 1: This increases the amount of pollution it emits. It still works,
Speaker 1: but it's not up to code. In twenty sixteen, US
Speaker 1: Steel was fined and told to make repairs on that infrastructure,
Speaker 1: specifically that cracked bell. We know that from documents from
Speaker 1: the US government, but this wasn't a huge story outside
Speaker 1: of the area. And this altogether leads people to say
Speaker 1: that despite the studies, despite the lack of a definitive conclusion,
Speaker 1: we have our culprit. But now other people are not
Speaker 1: helping them, helping the residents of windsor investigate this, specifically
Speaker 1: the town of River Rouge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a US suburb this downstream from Detroit,
Speaker 4: and they claim in their city council already spent over
Speaker 4: a million dollars to help Windsor to find the source
Speaker 4: of this noise. However, they did say the hum likely
Speaker 4: comes from the steel mill facilities on Zug Island. So
Speaker 4: they're saying, look, we already gave you a bunch of money,
Speaker 4: we already try to help. We're pretty sure it's Zug.
Speaker 1: Right right, And they're trying to be as on the
Speaker 1: up and up as they can and say, you know,
Speaker 1: we're not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 4: But you know, but it is Zug.
Speaker 1: It is zuny look at it right right.
Speaker 2: Zug should be a word we used for either describing
Speaker 2: something that's super cool or super messed up.
Speaker 1: And we should always we should always be vague about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sort of like zef.
Speaker 2: You know the word. Yeah, that group and everything ZEF.
Speaker 2: I think that means it's cool.
Speaker 4: Nice for me. It's all about warcraft too. The orcs,
Speaker 4: if you clicked on them, they'd go zug Zug.
Speaker 1: Oh so that okay, that's not out a whole cloth
Speaker 1: then yeah, oh yeah, you know what, maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: into world of Warcraft one day.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the original one, like the top down,
Speaker 4: top down command and conquer style. Command and Conquer was
Speaker 4: and you can build little buildings too, right, like temples
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 2: I remember StarCraft. I played StarCraft. That was sort of
Speaker 2: the next level one, right yeah post Warcraft two, Yeah,
Speaker 2: post wow. I really want to get a magic game
Speaker 2: together with you guys. The only problem is Matt. I
Speaker 2: know you would probably wipe the floor with me, so
Speaker 2: it might not be fun. Ben, I can't.
Speaker 3: I know you'd be great.
Speaker 2: I know Matt would would be the greatest because he's
Speaker 2: got the most experience.
Speaker 3: I would be the worst, but I would still enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Maybe we could start easy and play Munchkin first and
Speaker 2: then look our way up to.
Speaker 1: Matt got me a this is a very kind thing.
Speaker 1: Years and years ago, Matt and our friend Tyler, a
Speaker 1: super producer here at how Stuff Works got made a
Speaker 1: magic deck for me for birthday.
Speaker 2: They picked the right cards they thought would suit you
Speaker 2: and gave you a good good It was well balanced deck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a pretty powerful black.
Speaker 1: Black and green, black and green deck.
Speaker 3: Do you still have it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Of course, I keep it at my desk in case,
Speaker 1: in case the opportunity ever arises.
Speaker 3: I want a deck.
Speaker 1: That's cool.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make my own deck and then we can
Speaker 2: deck up nice.
Speaker 1: And hopefully we can do that sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: Speaking sooner rather than later, hopefully this mystery will be solved.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wanted to ask you all, do
Speaker 1: you feel like it's solved? Do you think they've they've
Speaker 1: found this noise? This low frequency sound would therefore be
Speaker 1: gas of some sort escaping the blast furnace, or it
Speaker 1: would be just the operation of a specific blast furnace,
Speaker 1: likely the one with the broken bell top.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, first, Nol, I'd like to get your
Speaker 4: opinion on something. Sure, I'm gonna have you pull up
Speaker 4: this link on YouTube that's actually it's actually got a
Speaker 4: spectral waveform of the hum recording, and I just want
Speaker 4: you to tell me what you see here.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean this is that what we're looking at
Speaker 2: here as a spectral waveform, which is a very specific
Speaker 2: type of view. It's a little more precise, and you
Speaker 2: can use it to isolate sounds that you wouldn't normally see,
Speaker 2: so you can see things almost like as events. For example,
Speaker 2: So if I wanted to get rid of a particular.
Speaker 3: Sound and leave other sounds.
Speaker 2: I could look at the spectral waveform and see, oh, here,
Speaker 2: at this moment, this other event happens. If you're just
Speaker 2: looking at a standard wave form, everything's kind of tied together,
Speaker 2: so there's really no differentiating one type of sound from another.
Speaker 3: It's all like one thing.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: So in this spectral wave form, you can see that
Speaker 2: the sound is a very low frequency sound between thirty
Speaker 2: and forty hurts, just very very low in the spectrum,
Speaker 2: and it goes along for about forty seconds, and then
Speaker 2: around the fifty second mark, Matt, you pointed this out
Speaker 2: to me off Mike, it pitches up a little bit
Speaker 2: to about eighty to one hundred hertz and then stays
Speaker 2: there kind of plateaus there. And in that spectral view
Speaker 2: you can also kind of see a couple of little
Speaker 2: extra events happening above that base level of the of
Speaker 2: the sound, whereas in that zero to thirty portion of
Speaker 2: it there's nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I found this strange, and I thought maybe you'd
Speaker 4: have some insight on it. It feels to me like
Speaker 4: something possibly metal or mechanical, that is ceasing, a process
Speaker 4: that is ceasing, which is too good man to your question.
Speaker 4: I mean this is you know, I'm not an expert,
Speaker 4: but catch.
Speaker 2: That from far away though you would only hear the
Speaker 2: part of the sound that would carry you would only
Speaker 2: hear the low, low, low, low, low frequency part that
Speaker 2: would carry that long distance. Any little extra clang you
Speaker 2: would only perceive that. I think if you were close.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess if I'm imagining the furnace, the way
Speaker 4: I'm imagining it is as you're like shutting the process down.
Speaker 4: If you're just running it for a certain time, Sure,
Speaker 4: as you're shutting it down. Perhaps there are some sounds
Speaker 4: with a cracked like you said, a cracked bell that
Speaker 4: just makes this higher pitch frequency. If you're really getting
Speaker 4: all the resonance because they said it's aerial sound, right,
Speaker 4: it's like resonance that's hitting the atmosphere coming back down.
Speaker 2: Well, that's true. And I will say we're not looking
Speaker 2: at a cycle. I mean we're we're it obviously cycles consistently,
Speaker 2: because we're looking at about a minute of this sound,
Speaker 2: and then at the end of that minute that's where
Speaker 2: this other event happens.
Speaker 3: So you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's not like on a loop, there's something that changes
Speaker 2: in the sound, And I see what you're saying, Matt,
Speaker 2: This isn't We're not looking at a super spike in
Speaker 2: high frequencies. It's just like a couple of you know,
Speaker 2: ten twenty hurts higher, so it would be it would
Speaker 2: still carry, but it could maybe represent some change in
Speaker 2: process or something that happens physically to make the sound
Speaker 2: contort in some way.
Speaker 3: And I see what you're saying that does make sense.
Speaker 1: And this builds a great case if that, if that
Speaker 1: is always what we see each in each instance of
Speaker 1: the hum. For now, despite the research, despite the UH effect,
Speaker 1: this phenomenon has the quality of life people in and
Speaker 1: around Windsor, Ontario, the hum continues as we record. There's
Speaker 1: not much that Winsor can do. They are at a
Speaker 1: stand still because even if the hum is caused by
Speaker 1: this blast furnace, Winsor has no jurisdiction over the area.
Speaker 1: The community organizations in charge of the river have been
Speaker 1: very clear and saying that they're not going to continue
Speaker 1: pouring money into the investigation. US Steel is not worried
Speaker 1: about this thing or really responding to increase.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's really affecting people's quality of life? Ben, like,
Speaker 2: did you get the sense from the research here that
Speaker 2: it really is.
Speaker 3: A problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I when I was looking into it, I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: the entire city hasn't moved, so it's not as if
Speaker 1: people are bleeding out of their ears and eyes or whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this stuff can have a debilitating effect, is
Speaker 1: doctor Kohan pointed out. And it may sound strange, folks,
Speaker 1: as you're listening to this, it may sound strange to
Speaker 1: think think that you might one day be in a
Speaker 1: situation where a noise bugs you so much that you move.
Speaker 1: But take that initial impression and play it out for
Speaker 1: seven years.
Speaker 2: Now, Well, do you guys remember that Curb Your Enthusiasm
Speaker 2: episode where they move into this new house and there's
Speaker 2: a house sound every night there Larry and Cheryl are
Speaker 2: reading in bed and there's just this little real and
Speaker 2: it just happens like once every now and then at night,
Speaker 2: and they like have a workman come in, but he
Speaker 2: only comes to night because that's the only time they
Speaker 2: hear it. And then the episode ends with them like
Speaker 2: laying in bed and they're talking and you can hear
Speaker 2: them on the other.
Speaker 1: Boys quiet, Quiet, I can't hear the sound.
Speaker 3: You know, they do end up moving because of the
Speaker 3: house sound.
Speaker 1: So you know, well, Larry David is also rather sensitive.
Speaker 3: It was more Cheryl.
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, really, well, those noises can can of course,
Speaker 1: they get drive you mad, have a bad effect, especially psychologically.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to have an unpredictable noise.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons why if you're ever already
Speaker 1: kind of in an edgy mood and you have to
Speaker 1: spend time with strangers and this probably Matt probably drives
Speaker 1: you crazy as a talented percussionist. Like let's say you're
Speaker 1: on a train somewhere, you're waiting in an elevator and
Speaker 1: someone's just got a yeah beat and it's off, especially
Speaker 1: if it's a little off exactly, And you know, I
Speaker 1: wish you could see Matt's expression. We are speaking to
Speaker 1: the choir on this one. But yeah, that unpredictability is
Speaker 1: part of it, you know, that lack of agency in
Speaker 1: your own home. So that is the case as it
Speaker 1: stands today. And thank you to everybody wrote in and
Speaker 1: asked us to take a look at this. I was
Speaker 1: really impressed Neal and Matt by your your audio digging here.
Speaker 1: As always, that was.
Speaker 3: A fun moment. Thanks for bringing that up, Matt. It
Speaker 3: was neat.
Speaker 4: You are very much.
Speaker 1: Welcome and hums similar to windsors have been reported in,
Speaker 1: as Matt said earlier, at least a dozen communities worldwide, Australia, England, Scotland, Wales.
Speaker 1: You can check out our earlier video we did on
Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know fail well on
Speaker 1: YouTube and Amazon where we look at the tow hume.
Speaker 2: Now, if there's a rattle connected with the hum, then
Speaker 2: I blame the popular Irish band you.
Speaker 4: Too, there's a little rattle in there.
Speaker 2: Well, if there's a you know they have that album
Speaker 2: Rattle and Hum, it's a bad joke.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know that it's a deep cut.
Speaker 1: Well, we finally made it to our customary YouTube reference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what are your thoughts on you two? What
Speaker 4: are your thoughts on YouTube Talking You two to me?
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to that one, but I love, love
Speaker 2: Love Josh. Are you talking Rim?
Speaker 3: REMI?
Speaker 2: With Scott Ackerman and Adam Scott it's their continuation of
Speaker 2: the are you talking You two to me? But they
Speaker 2: talk about rim and they it's I. I don't really
Speaker 2: even listen to podcast that much. You guys, this one
Speaker 2: lights up my life. I love it so much. Thank you,
Speaker 2: Adam and Scott.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so send us any of your correspondence. We'll make
Speaker 4: sure they get it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: And also, speaking of correspondents, have you encountered the windsor
Speaker 1: hum specifically, or something like the hum in your day
Speaker 1: to day life in your neck of the Global Woods.
Speaker 1: We would like to hear from you. Don't feel obligated,
Speaker 1: but if you happen to catch it, we'd also love
Speaker 1: to hear an audio snippet of the sound you are describing,
Speaker 1: because one thing we found was that this hum, in particular,
Speaker 1: it was not affecting certain genders more than others, or
Speaker 1: people of a certain age more than others, which is
Speaker 1: fascinating because it ties into our earlier thing that Matt
Speaker 1: brought to us from listener mail about using sound to
Speaker 1: deter loiterers and ne'er duells from a leisure center smoking
Speaker 1: out on the streets, smoking out on the streets, playing
Speaker 1: crap bobbing for Apple's.
Speaker 3: I prefer smoking in the boys room.
Speaker 4: That's probably where. Yeah, that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a leisure center. The rules are different.
Speaker 1: It's like the Vegas of community centers. Folks, we have
Speaker 1: built since that listener mail episode. We have built this
Speaker 1: image of leisure centers in our minds that, honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the real things will ever compare.
Speaker 4: I think we need to raise some money to build
Speaker 4: one right here in Atlanta, of Atlanta stuff.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know leisure center. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: write to our sponsors, Illumination Global Unlimited.
Speaker 3: It will be our legacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go. You know what, We've earned it.
Speaker 1: And presidents get libraries, maybe podcasters should get leisure centers.
Speaker 3: There has to be a water slide, though, I'm putting
Speaker 3: my foot down.
Speaker 4: So tell us what you think. Water slide, yes or no.
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