Speaker 1: Soundcheck one, two three.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's your name?
Speaker 3: Alex Delesco.
Speaker 1: My colleague Nicole McNulty is getting set up with Alex,
Speaker 1: who's about to read from a script we've put together.
Speaker 1: And what do you do for a living?
Speaker 3: I'm a professional actor here in London. I am originally
Speaker 3: from Romania.
Speaker 1: Can you read that top line?
Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building.
Speaker 3: He explained to wait, I've flubbed that. Let me try again.
Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building.
Speaker 3: He explained to me who he is. He showed me
Speaker 3: a list of weapons and ammunition on his phone. Then
Speaker 3: he sent me that list to my phone.
Speaker 1: Alex is reading lines of court testimony given by a
Speaker 1: guy named Christian Vntilla. So in this episode and future ones,
Speaker 1: Alex will be the voice of Christian. Everything you'll hear
Speaker 1: comes verbatim from Christians testimony in court. The words are
Speaker 1: all Christians. After the armsteel goes sideways and Christian turns
Speaker 1: against Flavio.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm ready to start.
Speaker 1: Christian wanted nothing to do with me or this show.
Speaker 1: Here's what he told me in an email.
Speaker 3: I don't care about what flav you said or did?
Speaker 3: They are a lot of lights and fakes.
Speaker 1: I'm Trevor Aronson from Western Sound to My Heart podcast.
Speaker 1: This is Alphabet Boys, Episode seven. Let's make this happen. Bro.
Speaker 1: Before we get going with this episode, I want to
Speaker 1: give you a quick recap because the story of Flavio,
Speaker 1: Juan and the supposed arms deal can get a little confusing.
Speaker 1: Back in twenty twelve, Juan asks Flavio's friend Andy if
Speaker 1: he knows a guy who can help put together an
Speaker 1: arms deal for the farc Andy says he has someone
Speaker 1: who can make stuff happen. So Andy calls Flavio. Andy
Speaker 1: asks him if he can put together an arms deal
Speaker 1: for these Colombians. Flavio says yeah, maybe. Immediately after hanging
Speaker 1: up with Andy, Flavio calls the CIA. Two years past
Speaker 1: and in twenty fourteen, Flavio stands up Juan in Rome,
Speaker 1: but he says he can still make a deal Happenavio
Speaker 1: puts one in touch with a guy named Gentaudis, the
Speaker 1: arms dealer who smells a rat. What I haven't told
Speaker 1: you is how gin Taudis got on Flavio's radar, and
Speaker 1: that connection was through this guy, Christian Ventilla.
Speaker 3: I was General Secretary of the State Reserves and then
Speaker 3: General Director with the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
Speaker 1: By the time Flavio meets him. Christian Ventilla is a
Speaker 1: divorced father of two and a high ranking government minister
Speaker 1: in Romania. He heads an agency that coordinates between the
Speaker 1: Romanian government and the NATO Alliance based in Brussels.
Speaker 3: It's part of my job. I was registered as a
Speaker 3: weapon control for NATO in Brussels, and for this reason
Speaker 3: I was trained in different missions.
Speaker 1: Christian grew up in Baco, a city of about two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people northeast of Bucharest, the capital. After obtaining
Speaker 1: a doctorate in project management, Christian became a government official
Speaker 1: thanks to his association with a Romanian politician surrounded by
Speaker 1: accusations of corruption. Anyway, now I'm going to put Christian
Speaker 1: into this whole timeline. After Flavio decides to get involved
Speaker 1: in the arms deal, he starts hunting around for people
Speaker 1: who could connect him with arms dealers, and that's when
Speaker 1: a mutual contact connected Flavio with Christian.
Speaker 3: He introduced Flavi Georgesco as a Romanian American businessman who
Speaker 3: had an order for weapons and ammunition.
Speaker 1: This is the first time Flavio and Christian meet. Flavio
Speaker 1: drives a Christian's apartment building in Bucharest. Christian comes out front.
Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building.
Speaker 3: He explained to me who he is. He showed me
Speaker 3: a list of weapons and ammunition on his phone, then
Speaker 3: he sent me that least to my phone. He told
Speaker 3: me that he's very interested, that it is a serious order,
Speaker 3: and to reassure me, he called on the phone and
Speaker 3: the Georgie school and put him on the speaker because
Speaker 3: he speaks Romanian.
Speaker 1: Also according to Christian, and this conversation in Flavio's car
Speaker 1: isn't recorded. Andy, speaking in Romanian, tells Christian and Flavio
Speaker 1: about one.
Speaker 3: The order is coming from some old customers of his
Speaker 3: and it is a very serious order and he's going
Speaker 3: to get implicated by managing the financial side of disorder.
Speaker 1: In the car, Christian tells Andy that based on the
Speaker 1: weapons on One's lists, including AK forty sevens and anti
Speaker 1: aircraft weapons, he believes he can line up a manufacturer
Speaker 1: to fill the order.
Speaker 3: I suggested that they should get in touch directly Gin
Speaker 3: Totus with the Colombians he knew the products, and he
Speaker 3: knew what he can offer and what not.
Speaker 1: As you may remember, flow connects one with gin Taudis.
Speaker 1: Guintaudis pretty quickly and correctly suspects that one is a
Speaker 1: government agent. Gintaudus sends an angry email with a link
Speaker 1: to a news article but a successful deea sting in
Speaker 1: Prague involving informants who claim to be buying weapons for
Speaker 1: the farc. That email gets to Christian, who confronts Flavia.
Speaker 3: I talked to Georgiesco about this thing, telling him about
Speaker 3: the Czech article and explaining to him that Quintotus is
Speaker 3: suspecting that it's the same kind of sting.
Speaker 2: He said, let me tell you something, and he put
Speaker 2: up a paper. He shows thing operation from Czech Republic
Speaker 2: from Prague with same one and everybody said, it's impossible.
Speaker 4: It's the same temple's the same thing.
Speaker 1: For Christian, this must have been an enormous red flag,
Speaker 1: but Flavio, in his Flavio way, assures Christian that there's
Speaker 1: no reason for concern.
Speaker 4: Isaimeh, just trust me, this is just a coincidence.
Speaker 3: He knows the Colombians and he previously did business with them,
Speaker 3: and I shouldn't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Flavio needs to keep Christian in the business deal to
Speaker 1: supposedly gather information for the CIA. But and I have
Speaker 1: to admit this is bizarre. Given what happens later. Flavio
Speaker 1: also suspects that one could be with the DEA.
Speaker 4: So what, I didn't care about what's going on over
Speaker 4: here in this side.
Speaker 2: I was caidring what I find in this site using
Speaker 2: Juan right now, the goofy clown.
Speaker 1: As far as Flavio is concerned. So what that just
Speaker 1: means he and Juan are both friends of America.
Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, if we don't die,
Speaker 2: but at least today and we're gonna have something.
Speaker 4: I didn't care anymore. I was going too far.
Speaker 2: I was so excited and so proud, and still I
Speaker 2: have so many things and I can do so much.
Speaker 4: That means I'm gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here we arrive at yet another problem in Flavio's story.
Speaker 1: Flavio received these warnings that one could be a US
Speaker 1: government agent. The DEA had been so aggressive in its
Speaker 1: transnational narco terrorism stings that the targets of other stings
Speaker 1: were figuring out the DEA's game from news reports. Yet
Speaker 1: Flavio doesn't back out of the deal, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: contact the CIA to report the DEA's possible involvement. He
Speaker 1: just continues, knowing that it's possible, maybe even likely, that
Speaker 1: he and Wan are playing for the same team. One
Speaker 1: just doesn't know it yet. So if Flavio can build
Speaker 1: a case, even with Wan mixed up in it, no
Speaker 1: big deal. The DEA and CIA would sort everything out
Speaker 1: in the end, So Flavio keeps his suspicions to himself.
Speaker 1: He tells Christian, don't worry about it. He knows one,
Speaker 1: he's done business with one, even though that isn't true.
Speaker 1: Flavio's never even met Wan at this point.
Speaker 5: How are you good?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean german good.
Speaker 5: I was. I was just at the beach. I just
Speaker 5: get back anyway.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, Flavio assures One that they
Speaker 1: don't need this gen toutist guy anyway. I still I.
Speaker 5: Still coming on on the twenty second, and I think
Speaker 5: we all need to meet and see if we can
Speaker 5: come up with a plan either what this gentleman, or
Speaker 5: maybe you can't help me to solve you know that?
Speaker 5: Do you talk to him? I am wanted to look
Speaker 5: for different, different solution.
Speaker 1: By looking for a different solution, Flavio means he and
Speaker 1: Christian are going to find someone else.
Speaker 6: We need to make it.
Speaker 5: We need to talk so that you won't get talk
Speaker 5: to my other Columbian Mexican fellows. But I need to
Speaker 5: know that I made you, and you wanna tell me
Speaker 5: what the plants are you're looking for. I wanna tell him.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep everybody happy and then all the doors open,
Speaker 5: otherwise we're gonna lose this altogether. That's a bondle. Please
Speaker 5: Fla Let's let's let's make this happen, bro.
Speaker 1: Please Flavi you let's make this happen bro more after
Speaker 1: the break.
Speaker 6: My friends.
Speaker 5: Okay, the company representing tells me they are located, So
Speaker 5: some money for the we're doing that transaction whenever we'll
Speaker 5: get ready. So I just wanted to let you know that.
Speaker 1: It's July twenty fourteen. Wan is saying that its Fark
Speaker 1: friends have moved millions of dollars into European bank accounts.
Speaker 1: The money has been earmarked for purchasing the weapons that
Speaker 1: Flavio will help deliver. But at this point there's a
Speaker 1: lot of skepticism and distrust among everyone involved. Wan's already
Speaker 1: been stood up in Rome, and since then, Flavio has
Speaker 1: asked Wuan to come to Romania so that they can
Speaker 1: meet for the first time and so that Juan can
Speaker 1: meet Christian Mantilla, but Wan hasn't yet committed to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In August twenty fourteen, Wan calls Andy and Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and Andy, in no uncertain terms, tells him the Romanians
Speaker 1: aren't happy.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: I got the whole fucking government on my ass all
Speaker 1: honest now, So thell call flap.
Speaker 3: I got a hold fucking Romanian government on my ass
Speaker 3: right now because.
Speaker 6: They think I'm bullshitting.
Speaker 1: What Andy is saying here is that with Juan refusing
Speaker 1: to go to Romania, the Romanian government has been coming
Speaker 1: down on him. It's not really that the Romanian government
Speaker 1: is coming down on him. He's referring to Christian, who
Speaker 1: is a government minister in Romania.
Speaker 4: Is really bad.
Speaker 5: Call him back, you guys.
Speaker 1: Wan's referring to Rome when he got stood up. No, no,
Speaker 1: he called you to go down there. Those guys wanted
Speaker 1: to meet donnal Day.
Speaker 5: I cannot, you know, push him around because there's no
Speaker 5: point in fucking pushing him around.
Speaker 6: He's got to be done, you know, at a certain point,
Speaker 6: certain time. I mean the guys are thinking with bullshitting.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's dell up on my ass.
Speaker 1: The next day, Juan calls Flavio.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Flavio, how are you saying? Hey? And' they
Speaker 6: asked me to give you a call. I find a siller,
Speaker 6: you find a fellow? Is that what you said?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I find it?
Speaker 3: And which a.
Speaker 6: Seller? I'm sorry, I find the silver and which you
Speaker 6: are the thought can come to Menium.
Speaker 5: Be aware that already twice I have come to Europe
Speaker 5: and I've been unable to accomplish anything. So if I
Speaker 5: if I do come, you need to guarantee me because
Speaker 5: otherwise it's gonna be three times.
Speaker 6: I don't looking good a spending money. I don't want
Speaker 6: any problems with no one. If I go there, Make
Speaker 6: sure that you know these people. Am I gonna be safe? Please? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: no problem? All right?
Speaker 5: When I come, you must have prices for for for
Speaker 5: the items that I requested that my customers is requested, okay, and.
Speaker 6: Is they do have it on hand? I need to
Speaker 6: know how long will tell them to deliver.
Speaker 1: One, having been frustrated by Flavio over and over again,
Speaker 1: is reading him the Riot Act. Here, this is your
Speaker 1: last chance. If we're going to meet in person, you
Speaker 1: better have prices for weapons and a clear timeline for delivery.
Speaker 1: Don't worry, Flavio tells Juan he's got everything under control.
Speaker 1: So one, who's secretly under pressure from his boss is
Speaker 1: at the Dea to make something of this languishing investigation,
Speaker 1: flies to Romania. He's accompanied by another Dea infemant. On
Speaker 1: September twenty third, twenty fourteen. One calls Flavio from Bucharest.
Speaker 5: Here I am and in your town, and here I
Speaker 5: am to Doc. Okay, I'm not the Mario hotel.
Speaker 1: They decide to meet at the Marriotte for dinner that evening.
Speaker 1: One starts as recording device.
Speaker 6: The local time in.
Speaker 5: Yes, eight thirty five pm. We are right now in
Speaker 5: the book arrest.
Speaker 1: The other informant whispers to Wan.
Speaker 5: The equipment when we run under we get there.
Speaker 1: The equipment is going to be on until we get there,
Speaker 1: one says. The other informant stays behind in the hotel room. Well,
Speaker 1: Wan heads to the restaurant. One puts the recorder in
Speaker 1: a pocket and the tape gets noisy. This walk one
Speaker 1: is making from his room to the hotel restaurant is
Speaker 1: two years in the making. All those phone calls have
Speaker 1: led to this. Flavio and Wan finally meet at the
Speaker 1: Marriott in Romania.
Speaker 5: It took a long time to Meetium. How are you great?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 5: Thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: How you been Welcome to Romania, Flavio tell us. Juan
Speaker 1: Flavio gives Wan a gift, a souvenir with the Romanian
Speaker 1: flag on it, and Jan hens Flavio a bag of coffee.
Speaker 5: Colombia and Koffey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you my wife.
Speaker 1: Flavio laughs, but it's clear that as someone who grew
Speaker 1: up in communist Romania, he doesn't really get one's joke.
Speaker 1: Juan Valdez was a fictional Colombian coffee being grower in
Speaker 1: American TV commercials from the seventies and eighties. Anyway, Flavio
Speaker 1: and Wan sit down at a table in the restaurant
Speaker 1: and get down to this military grade weapons business.
Speaker 5: Do you have your own plan? I have my own agendas.
Speaker 5: I went it too much so it works. If we
Speaker 5: don't match it, it wouldn't want to work.
Speaker 1: Flavio tells One that he can get the weapons. One
Speaker 1: suggests that they meet tomorrow in a private conference room.
Speaker 1: Flavio should bring Christian and One will bring a spark colleague.
Speaker 5: But I get a room. Okay, this is important. The
Speaker 5: fellow that is comedy. His solo purpose of being here
Speaker 5: is to talk about the weapons because he knows about webbons.
Speaker 5: The people knows what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: This fark guy. One says he's not like him. He
Speaker 1: doesn't make jokes. He's a no nonsense guy. He's an
Speaker 1: operative from the jungle.
Speaker 5: Okay, he's from the jungle. Okay, ex military guy. The
Speaker 5: other people never went to school. All they have is
Speaker 5: they sell freaking cocaine. They make money. They think that
Speaker 5: the kings and they want to tell you what to
Speaker 5: do so that you know, So please bear with me.
Speaker 5: Hell me out if we come to that point. So
Speaker 5: you know, I need to explain to you everything when
Speaker 5: we alone, because I want this to have I want this.
Speaker 6: To go through.
Speaker 1: Wan also makes clear that he and his colleague need
Speaker 1: weapons to protect Fark's cocaine interests and to attack American
Speaker 1: helicopters in Colombia, but.
Speaker 5: They want to buy weapons because they want to fight
Speaker 5: to protect the drug industry, and I want to bring
Speaker 5: down the American helicopters because other enemies. You understand that.
Speaker 1: Wan is being explicit about this for a very specific reason.
Speaker 1: It's critical to the government's narco terrorism case. Flavio needs
Speaker 1: to know that these weapons he's helping want obtain, they're
Speaker 1: going to farc rebels who fund their violence through drug sales.
Speaker 1: Ding Finally, One appears to be happy with Flavio. He
Speaker 1: appears to believe that this deal can happen, and he
Speaker 1: again explains that as fark guys are tough but paranoid.
Speaker 5: And I'm happy now that I came here. Me I
Speaker 5: can't come I'm just a simple man. This other guys,
Speaker 5: I'm the one to carry a big bag behind them,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I'm convince them to come
Speaker 5: about the situations people can oh, this guy is gonna
Speaker 5: rob you. This guy because I understand them, but I'm
Speaker 5: saying what they're telling them.
Speaker 1: To celebrate. Flavio and Wan order Yeager meisters to toast.
Speaker 1: One has never had.
Speaker 5: One Jagger Master jack Master Jaggers, Zacher, Jacker, Muster Jagger,
Speaker 5: Myster Jaggers, jagger meister.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's it's.
Speaker 1: A greedy After drinks, Flavia and One agree to meet
Speaker 1: at the hotel the next day, and they'll have two
Speaker 1: more people with them, Flavia's contact, Christian Vntilla, and One's
Speaker 1: colleague from the jungle. That's up to the break again,
Speaker 1: just like the day before when One started his recorder.
Speaker 1: One can't remember where he is today.
Speaker 5: Sday's September twenty fourth, twenty fourteen. Local time in Bulgaria
Speaker 5: is eight twenty seven pm luchs Bukarest, Bulgaria.
Speaker 1: Bucharest, the other dea infemant says. One says, Bucharest, Bulgaria.
Speaker 1: He's in Romania.
Speaker 5: We are about to go to a mida with Flavio
Speaker 5: and his friends are the main love at the hotel.
Speaker 5: Mario bring up to the conference to have a meeting
Speaker 5: with them, Bomaria. That's okay.
Speaker 1: Juan and his Dea informat friend head downstairs to the
Speaker 1: hotel lobby. They're waiting for Flavio and Christian.
Speaker 3: He called me in the afternoon of September twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: This is Christian Vintilla. Remember, Christian is being voiced by
Speaker 1: an actor. He's saying that Flavio called him.
Speaker 3: And he told me that the Colombians came to Bucharest
Speaker 3: unexpected and they want to meet him, and they want
Speaker 3: to meet him right away, and because he wouldn't know
Speaker 3: much about this field, he asked me to participate in
Speaker 3: the meeting with him. And he explained to me that
Speaker 3: they have a lot of money and he wanted to
Speaker 3: impress them because he's willing to do business in the
Speaker 3: future with them. And he told me to try to
Speaker 3: do my best presentation so I can we can catch
Speaker 3: them as clients.
Speaker 4: I bring Christian because I didn't feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: That I'm and this is Flavio, and I said, I have.
Speaker 2: To be prepared, and I took Christian as an advisor
Speaker 2: to talk to see what's going on.
Speaker 1: So Flavio and Christian head to the Marriott in Bucharest.
Speaker 1: Christian brings with him some catalogs from Romanian arms manufacturers.
Speaker 1: But before Flavio and Christian Meetjan and his colleague in
Speaker 1: the lobby, they dip into the hotel's restaurant. Flavio tells
Speaker 1: Christian to hand him his phone.
Speaker 3: Jorgescu took my phone and his own and gave it
Speaker 3: to the waitress telling her to put it in a
Speaker 3: separate room.
Speaker 1: Why the hell does Flavio do that? The only plausible
Speaker 1: reason that Flavio would ditch their phones is to prevent
Speaker 1: a government spy agency from listening to their Armsteel meeting.
Speaker 1: A little over a year earlier, in June twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: whistleblower Edward Snowden leaked thousands of classified documents about the
Speaker 1: extent of global surveillance conducted by the NSA, the National
Speaker 1: Security Agency. So these ideas about the government listening in
Speaker 1: via your phone are very much in the air at
Speaker 1: the time as this meeting is happening. But who is
Speaker 1: Flavio afraid will hear the CIA, which apparently he's working for,
Speaker 1: or the Romedian government, which Christian works for, or both. Besides,
Speaker 1: if Flavia suspects Wan might be working for the DEA,
Speaker 1: why would he care about a spy agency listening in
Speaker 1: on their phones when Wan is likely recording the conversation anyway,
Speaker 1: And yeah, of course Wan's recording this meeting.
Speaker 5: Excuse, how are you bye?
Speaker 6: Thank you?
Speaker 1: One is speaking to Christian for the first time. That's
Speaker 1: Christian's real voice. They're all inside a conference room at
Speaker 1: the hotel.
Speaker 5: This speaks Spanish, No, no English, not very good.
Speaker 1: Spanish English, Spanish, but no English, one says of his colleague,
Speaker 1: whose name is Diego. Diego doesn't speak English, or at
Speaker 1: least he's pretending not to speak English. I just want
Speaker 1: to point out how absurd this meeting at the Bucharest
Speaker 1: Marriott is one or Alex Diaz, the DEA informant, is
Speaker 1: with another DEA guy who's pretending to be a Colombian
Speaker 1: farc rebel, the so called Diego. This Diego guy isn't
Speaker 1: subtle about a supposed revolutionary work. He's giving off some
Speaker 1: solid cheguo var vibes. Meanwhile, Flavio is in his mind
Speaker 1: a CIA asset, so he's performing his own role. The
Speaker 1: only one without a hidden agenda in all this is Christian.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to explain to them the weapons and
Speaker 3: how they work.
Speaker 1: It's all theater, with each side playing a part for
Speaker 1: the other. Anyway, here's Diego, with one translating.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 5: The first we want to thank you coming here.
Speaker 1: From here, Diego gets right down the business.
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the far Yeah? The the argument
Speaker 5: of the people stanchando. We are a country finding this
Speaker 5: course for six years. Mirida is midbis.
Speaker 1: His life is my life, is my country, Diego tells
Speaker 1: Flavia and Christian as if borrowing from a list of
Speaker 1: cliches for revolutionetionaries. Diego then begins to explain the Flavi
Speaker 1: and Christian why his organization needs these weapons and.
Speaker 5: Problem and this one will have a big problem.
Speaker 3: Yes, americanoicters, black hat attack helicos.
Speaker 1: Diego says, US government attack helicopters now being used in
Speaker 1: Colombia have tipped the balance of the conflict. The FARC
Speaker 1: only has assault rifles, making them largely defenseless against the
Speaker 1: choppers balance.
Speaker 5: Because of that, the government has given it was jo
Speaker 5: is armamento and ti a.
Speaker 3: Los helicopters North Americanos.
Speaker 5: All he is is weapons to fight the error fight
Speaker 5: again the airplace of the Americans.
Speaker 3: Los los Americanos.
Speaker 5: Americans laugh of us, look criminal, you have to fight
Speaker 5: the air fight we can use He says that if
Speaker 5: we fight and we'll destroyed two or three of the
Speaker 5: helicopters and we kill two or three people, I want
Speaker 5: to think twice before they keep on doing this, can spider,
Speaker 5: what do you have that might help? Was defense?
Speaker 1: Christian pulls out a weapons catalog. These are the type
Speaker 1: of weapons they can obtain. Diego flips through the pages
Speaker 1: and then taps his finger down repeatedly on one item.
Speaker 5: This is what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: Diego is interested in something called a ZU twenty three,
Speaker 1: an anti aircraft cannon that mounts to a small two
Speaker 1: wheel trailer. The canon, designed by the Soviet Union in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, is so effective and adaptable that it's
Speaker 1: still in use around the world today seventy years later.
Speaker 1: It's perfective hell, but Diego says, they're not picky. It
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the ZU twenty three. They just
Speaker 1: need a weapon system that can take down American helicopters.
Speaker 5: The idea is that whatever you give was, then we
Speaker 5: can show this was down to take it out of.
Speaker 1: But any arm steel for an anti aircraft system has
Speaker 1: a big obstacle, the ends user certificate to buy and
Speaker 1: ship the weapons. Christian tells one in Diego that they
Speaker 1: need that document.
Speaker 5: If you want to get it, then you past probably
Speaker 5: way said ask him, what do you think about not rush,
Speaker 5: take your time on and once that launch of time
Speaker 5: we're taking together.
Speaker 1: Flavio explains that he and Christian needs some time to
Speaker 1: obtain the document and once they have it, everyone should
Speaker 1: meet again in person to finalize the weapons order.
Speaker 4: Wow, nothing, it's not the The problem is not the mention.
Speaker 4: The problem is the induser. So as soon as you
Speaker 4: find it.
Speaker 5: Next day, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: The four men then get up from the table, which
Speaker 1: I asked us. It's the deal is finally coming together
Speaker 1: for everyone, or so it seems. One is gathering evidence
Speaker 1: for the DEA, and Flavio believes he's gathering information for
Speaker 1: the c i A, including information about Christian Vintilla and
Speaker 1: Christian's network of arm suppliers.
Speaker 2: Myself, I always have the feeling just to put every
Speaker 2: on the table. In what you do as a government,
Speaker 2: that one is not my business because I know behind
Speaker 2: the curtains it's a different stories and now what you
Speaker 2: see on TV or what you hear in the radio.
Speaker 2: By myself, I did the JEB. I did my part.
Speaker 1: And Flavio has one more contact. He's hoping to deliver
Speaker 1: a guy who can help them get that ends user certificate.
Speaker 1: He's someone well known in Europe, someone with connections, someone
Speaker 1: accustomed to navigating the halls of power. He's a politician,
Speaker 1: a flamboyant former member of the Italian Parliament Karamichi jail Redici.
Speaker 1: His name is Massimo Romagnoli. That's in the next episode.
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