1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Soundcheck one, two three. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Okay, what's your name? 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 3: Alex Delesco. 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: My colleague Nicole McNulty is getting set up with Alex, 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: who's about to read from a script we've put together. 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: And what do you do for a living? 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: I'm a professional actor here in London. I am originally 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 3: from Romania. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: Can you read that top line? 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building. 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: He explained to wait, I've flubbed that. Let me try again. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: He explained to me who he is. He showed me 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: a list of weapons and ammunition on his phone. Then 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: he sent me that list to my phone. 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Alex is reading lines of court testimony given by a 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: guy named Christian Vntilla. So in this episode and future ones, 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Alex will be the voice of Christian. Everything you'll hear 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: comes verbatim from Christians testimony in court. The words are 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: all Christians. After the armsteel goes sideways and Christian turns 21 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: against Flavio. 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm ready to start. 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: Christian wanted nothing to do with me or this show. 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: Here's what he told me in an email. 25 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: I don't care about what flav you said or did? 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: They are a lot of lights and fakes. 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm Trevor Aronson from Western Sound to My Heart podcast. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: This is Alphabet Boys, Episode seven. Let's make this happen. Bro. 29 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: Before we get going with this episode, I want to 30 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: give you a quick recap because the story of Flavio, 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Juan and the supposed arms deal can get a little confusing. 32 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Back in twenty twelve, Juan asks Flavio's friend Andy if 33 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: he knows a guy who can help put together an 34 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: arms deal for the farc Andy says he has someone 35 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: who can make stuff happen. So Andy calls Flavio. Andy 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: asks him if he can put together an arms deal 37 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: for these Colombians. Flavio says yeah, maybe. Immediately after hanging 38 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: up with Andy, Flavio calls the CIA. Two years past 39 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: and in twenty fourteen, Flavio stands up Juan in Rome, 40 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: but he says he can still make a deal Happenavio 41 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: puts one in touch with a guy named Gentaudis, the 42 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: arms dealer who smells a rat. What I haven't told 43 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: you is how gin Taudis got on Flavio's radar, and 44 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: that connection was through this guy, Christian Ventilla. 45 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 3: I was General Secretary of the State Reserves and then 46 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: General Director with the Ministry of Internal Affairs. 47 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: By the time Flavio meets him. Christian Ventilla is a 48 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: divorced father of two and a high ranking government minister 49 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: in Romania. He heads an agency that coordinates between the 50 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: Romanian government and the NATO Alliance based in Brussels. 51 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 3: It's part of my job. I was registered as a 52 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: weapon control for NATO in Brussels, and for this reason 53 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: I was trained in different missions. 54 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: Christian grew up in Baco, a city of about two 55 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people northeast of Bucharest, the capital. After obtaining 56 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: a doctorate in project management, Christian became a government official 57 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: thanks to his association with a Romanian politician surrounded by 58 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: accusations of corruption. Anyway, now I'm going to put Christian 59 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: into this whole timeline. After Flavio decides to get involved 60 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: in the arms deal, he starts hunting around for people 61 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: who could connect him with arms dealers, and that's when 62 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: a mutual contact connected Flavio with Christian. 63 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: He introduced Flavi Georgesco as a Romanian American businessman who 64 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: had an order for weapons and ammunition. 65 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: This is the first time Flavio and Christian meet. Flavio 66 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: drives a Christian's apartment building in Bucharest. Christian comes out front. 67 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: We talked in his car in front of the building. 68 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 3: He explained to me who he is. He showed me 69 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: a list of weapons and ammunition on his phone, then 70 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: he sent me that least to my phone. He told 71 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 3: me that he's very interested, that it is a serious order, 72 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 3: and to reassure me, he called on the phone and 73 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: the Georgie school and put him on the speaker because 74 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 3: he speaks Romanian. 75 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: Also according to Christian, and this conversation in Flavio's car 76 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: isn't recorded. Andy, speaking in Romanian, tells Christian and Flavio 77 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 1: about one. 78 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: The order is coming from some old customers of his 79 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: and it is a very serious order and he's going 80 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: to get implicated by managing the financial side of disorder. 81 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: In the car, Christian tells Andy that based on the 82 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: weapons on One's lists, including AK forty sevens and anti 83 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: aircraft weapons, he believes he can line up a manufacturer 84 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to fill the order. 85 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: I suggested that they should get in touch directly Gin 86 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: Totus with the Colombians he knew the products, and he 87 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: knew what he can offer and what not. 88 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: As you may remember, flow connects one with gin Taudis. 89 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: Guintaudis pretty quickly and correctly suspects that one is a 90 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: government agent. Gintaudus sends an angry email with a link 91 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: to a news article but a successful deea sting in 92 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Prague involving informants who claim to be buying weapons for 93 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: the farc. That email gets to Christian, who confronts Flavia. 94 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 3: I talked to Georgiesco about this thing, telling him about 95 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: the Czech article and explaining to him that Quintotus is 96 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: suspecting that it's the same kind of sting. 97 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: He said, let me tell you something, and he put 98 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: up a paper. He shows thing operation from Czech Republic 99 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: from Prague with same one and everybody said, it's impossible. 100 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 4: It's the same temple's the same thing. 101 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: For Christian, this must have been an enormous red flag, 102 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: but Flavio, in his Flavio way, assures Christian that there's 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: no reason for concern. 104 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: Isaimeh, just trust me, this is just a coincidence. 105 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 3: He knows the Colombians and he previously did business with them, 106 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: and I shouldn't worry about it. 107 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: Flavio needs to keep Christian in the business deal to 108 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: supposedly gather information for the CIA. But and I have 109 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: to admit this is bizarre. Given what happens later. Flavio 110 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: also suspects that one could be with the DEA. 111 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: So what, I didn't care about what's going on over 112 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: here in this side. 113 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: I was caidring what I find in this site using 114 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: Juan right now, the goofy clown. 115 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: As far as Flavio is concerned. So what that just 116 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: means he and Juan are both friends of America. 117 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, if we don't die, 118 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: but at least today and we're gonna have something. 119 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: I didn't care anymore. I was going too far. 120 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: I was so excited and so proud, and still I 121 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: have so many things and I can do so much. 122 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: That means I'm gonna keep going. 123 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, here we arrive at yet another problem in Flavio's story. 124 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: Flavio received these warnings that one could be a US 125 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: government agent. The DEA had been so aggressive in its 126 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: transnational narco terrorism stings that the targets of other stings 127 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: were figuring out the DEA's game from news reports. Yet 128 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Flavio doesn't back out of the deal, and he doesn't 129 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: contact the CIA to report the DEA's possible involvement. He 130 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: just continues, knowing that it's possible, maybe even likely, that 131 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: he and Wan are playing for the same team. One 132 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: just doesn't know it yet. So if Flavio can build 133 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: a case, even with Wan mixed up in it, no 134 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: big deal. The DEA and CIA would sort everything out 135 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: in the end, So Flavio keeps his suspicions to himself. 136 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: He tells Christian, don't worry about it. He knows one, 137 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: he's done business with one, even though that isn't true. 138 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: Flavio's never even met Wan at this point. 139 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 5: How are you good? 140 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean german good. 141 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 5: I was. I was just at the beach. I just 142 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 5: get back anyway. 143 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: And at the same time, Flavio assures One that they 144 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: don't need this gen toutist guy anyway. I still I. 145 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 5: Still coming on on the twenty second, and I think 146 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: we all need to meet and see if we can 147 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 5: come up with a plan either what this gentleman, or 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 5: maybe you can't help me to solve you know that? 149 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 5: Do you talk to him? I am wanted to look 150 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 5: for different, different solution. 151 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: By looking for a different solution, Flavio means he and 152 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: Christian are going to find someone else. 153 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 6: We need to make it. 154 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: We need to talk so that you won't get talk 155 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 5: to my other Columbian Mexican fellows. But I need to 156 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 5: know that I made you, and you wanna tell me 157 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 5: what the plants are you're looking for. I wanna tell him. 158 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep everybody happy and then all the doors open, 159 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 5: otherwise we're gonna lose this altogether. That's a bondle. Please 160 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 5: Fla Let's let's let's make this happen, bro. 161 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Please Flavi you let's make this happen bro more after 162 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: the break. 163 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 6: My friends. 164 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 5: Okay, the company representing tells me they are located, So 165 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 5: some money for the we're doing that transaction whenever we'll 166 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 5: get ready. So I just wanted to let you know that. 167 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: It's July twenty fourteen. Wan is saying that its Fark 168 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: friends have moved millions of dollars into European bank accounts. 169 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: The money has been earmarked for purchasing the weapons that 170 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: Flavio will help deliver. But at this point there's a 171 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: lot of skepticism and distrust among everyone involved. Wan's already 172 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: been stood up in Rome, and since then, Flavio has 173 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: asked Wuan to come to Romania so that they can 174 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: meet for the first time and so that Juan can 175 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: meet Christian Mantilla, but Wan hasn't yet committed to that. 176 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 177 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,479 Speaker 1: In August twenty fourteen, Wan calls Andy and Los Angeles, 178 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: and Andy, in no uncertain terms, tells him the Romanians 179 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: aren't happy. 180 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 6: Man. 181 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I got the whole fucking government on my ass all 182 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: honest now, So thell call flap. 183 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 3: I got a hold fucking Romanian government on my ass 184 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: right now because. 185 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 6: They think I'm bullshitting. 186 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: What Andy is saying here is that with Juan refusing 187 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: to go to Romania, the Romanian government has been coming 188 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: down on him. It's not really that the Romanian government 189 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: is coming down on him. He's referring to Christian, who 190 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: is a government minister in Romania. 191 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 4: Is really bad. 192 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 5: Call him back, you guys. 193 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Wan's referring to Rome when he got stood up. No, no, 194 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: he called you to go down there. Those guys wanted 195 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: to meet donnal Day. 196 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 5: I cannot, you know, push him around because there's no 197 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 5: point in fucking pushing him around. 198 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 6: He's got to be done, you know, at a certain point, 199 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 6: certain time. I mean the guys are thinking with bullshitting. 200 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: I mean, she's dell up on my ass. 201 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: The next day, Juan calls Flavio. 202 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 6: Hello, Hello, Flavio, how are you saying? Hey? And' they 203 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 6: asked me to give you a call. I find a siller, 204 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 6: you find a fellow? Is that what you said? 205 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 206 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 6: I find it? 207 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: And which a. 208 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 6: Seller? I'm sorry, I find the silver and which you 209 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 6: are the thought can come to Menium. 210 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 5: Be aware that already twice I have come to Europe 211 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 5: and I've been unable to accomplish anything. So if I 212 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 5: if I do come, you need to guarantee me because 213 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 5: otherwise it's gonna be three times. 214 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 6: I don't looking good a spending money. I don't want 215 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 6: any problems with no one. If I go there, Make 216 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 6: sure that you know these people. Am I gonna be safe? Please? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 217 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 6: no problem? All right? 218 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 5: When I come, you must have prices for for for 219 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 5: the items that I requested that my customers is requested, okay, and. 220 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 6: Is they do have it on hand? I need to 221 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 6: know how long will tell them to deliver. 222 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: One, having been frustrated by Flavio over and over again, 223 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: is reading him the Riot Act. Here, this is your 224 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: last chance. If we're going to meet in person, you 225 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: better have prices for weapons and a clear timeline for delivery. 226 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Don't worry, Flavio tells Juan he's got everything under control. 227 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: So one, who's secretly under pressure from his boss is 228 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: at the Dea to make something of this languishing investigation, 229 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: flies to Romania. He's accompanied by another Dea infemant. On 230 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: September twenty third, twenty fourteen. One calls Flavio from Bucharest. 231 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 5: Here I am and in your town, and here I 232 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 5: am to Doc. Okay, I'm not the Mario hotel. 233 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: They decide to meet at the Marriotte for dinner that evening. 234 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: One starts as recording device. 235 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 6: The local time in. 236 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 5: Yes, eight thirty five pm. We are right now in 237 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 5: the book arrest. 238 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: The other informant whispers to Wan. 239 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: The equipment when we run under we get there. 240 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: The equipment is going to be on until we get there, 241 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: one says. The other informant stays behind in the hotel room. Well, 242 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: Wan heads to the restaurant. One puts the recorder in 243 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: a pocket and the tape gets noisy. This walk one 244 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: is making from his room to the hotel restaurant is 245 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: two years in the making. All those phone calls have 246 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: led to this. Flavio and Wan finally meet at the 247 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: Marriott in Romania. 248 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: It took a long time to Meetium. How are you great? 249 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 6: Good? 250 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 5: Thank you for coming. 251 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: How you been Welcome to Romania, Flavio tell us. Juan 252 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: Flavio gives Wan a gift, a souvenir with the Romanian 253 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: flag on it, and Jan hens Flavio a bag of coffee. 254 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 5: Colombia and Koffey. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you my wife. 255 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: Flavio laughs, but it's clear that as someone who grew 256 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: up in communist Romania, he doesn't really get one's joke. 257 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Juan Valdez was a fictional Colombian coffee being grower in 258 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: American TV commercials from the seventies and eighties. Anyway, Flavio 259 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and Wan sit down at a table in the restaurant 260 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: and get down to this military grade weapons business. 261 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: Do you have your own plan? I have my own agendas. 262 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 5: I went it too much so it works. If we 263 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 5: don't match it, it wouldn't want to work. 264 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: Flavio tells One that he can get the weapons. One 265 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: suggests that they meet tomorrow in a private conference room. 266 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: Flavio should bring Christian and One will bring a spark colleague. 267 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: But I get a room. Okay, this is important. The 268 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 5: fellow that is comedy. His solo purpose of being here 269 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 5: is to talk about the weapons because he knows about webbons. 270 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 5: The people knows what they're talking about. 271 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: This fark guy. One says he's not like him. He 272 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: doesn't make jokes. He's a no nonsense guy. He's an 273 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: operative from the jungle. 274 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 5: Okay, he's from the jungle. Okay, ex military guy. The 275 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 5: other people never went to school. All they have is 276 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 5: they sell freaking cocaine. They make money. They think that 277 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 5: the kings and they want to tell you what to 278 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 5: do so that you know, So please bear with me. 279 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 5: Hell me out if we come to that point. So 280 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 5: you know, I need to explain to you everything when 281 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 5: we alone, because I want this to have I want this. 282 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 6: To go through. 283 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: Wan also makes clear that he and his colleague need 284 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: weapons to protect Fark's cocaine interests and to attack American 285 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: helicopters in Colombia, but. 286 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 5: They want to buy weapons because they want to fight 287 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 5: to protect the drug industry, and I want to bring 288 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 5: down the American helicopters because other enemies. You understand that. 289 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,719 Speaker 1: Wan is being explicit about this for a very specific reason. 290 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: It's critical to the government's narco terrorism case. Flavio needs 291 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: to know that these weapons he's helping want obtain, they're 292 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: going to farc rebels who fund their violence through drug sales. 293 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: Ding Finally, One appears to be happy with Flavio. He 294 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: appears to believe that this deal can happen, and he 295 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: again explains that as fark guys are tough but paranoid. 296 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 5: And I'm happy now that I came here. Me I 297 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 5: can't come I'm just a simple man. This other guys, 298 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 5: I'm the one to carry a big bag behind them, 299 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. I'm convince them to come 300 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 5: about the situations people can oh, this guy is gonna 301 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 5: rob you. This guy because I understand them, but I'm 302 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: saying what they're telling them. 303 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: To celebrate. Flavio and Wan order Yeager meisters to toast. 304 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: One has never had. 305 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 5: One Jagger Master jack Master Jaggers, Zacher, Jacker, Muster Jagger, 306 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 5: Myster Jaggers, jagger meister. 307 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, it's it's. 308 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: A greedy After drinks, Flavia and One agree to meet 309 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: at the hotel the next day, and they'll have two 310 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: more people with them, Flavia's contact, Christian Vntilla, and One's 311 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: colleague from the jungle. That's up to the break again, 312 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: just like the day before when One started his recorder. 313 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: One can't remember where he is today. 314 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 5: Sday's September twenty fourth, twenty fourteen. Local time in Bulgaria 315 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 5: is eight twenty seven pm luchs Bukarest, Bulgaria. 316 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Bucharest, the other dea infemant says. One says, Bucharest, Bulgaria. 317 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: He's in Romania. 318 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 5: We are about to go to a mida with Flavio 319 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 5: and his friends are the main love at the hotel. 320 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 5: Mario bring up to the conference to have a meeting 321 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 5: with them, Bomaria. That's okay. 322 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: Juan and his Dea informat friend head downstairs to the 323 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: hotel lobby. They're waiting for Flavio and Christian. 324 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: He called me in the afternoon of September twenty fourth. 325 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: This is Christian Vintilla. Remember, Christian is being voiced by 326 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: an actor. He's saying that Flavio called him. 327 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 3: And he told me that the Colombians came to Bucharest 328 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 3: unexpected and they want to meet him, and they want 329 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: to meet him right away, and because he wouldn't know 330 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 3: much about this field, he asked me to participate in 331 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 3: the meeting with him. And he explained to me that 332 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: they have a lot of money and he wanted to 333 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: impress them because he's willing to do business in the 334 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: future with them. And he told me to try to 335 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: do my best presentation so I can we can catch 336 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: them as clients. 337 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 4: I bring Christian because I didn't feel comfortable. 338 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: That I'm and this is Flavio, and I said, I have. 339 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: To be prepared, and I took Christian as an advisor 340 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: to talk to see what's going on. 341 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: So Flavio and Christian head to the Marriott in Bucharest. 342 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Christian brings with him some catalogs from Romanian arms manufacturers. 343 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: But before Flavio and Christian Meetjan and his colleague in 344 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: the lobby, they dip into the hotel's restaurant. Flavio tells 345 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: Christian to hand him his phone. 346 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: Jorgescu took my phone and his own and gave it 347 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: to the waitress telling her to put it in a 348 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: separate room. 349 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: Why the hell does Flavio do that? The only plausible 350 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: reason that Flavio would ditch their phones is to prevent 351 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: a government spy agency from listening to their Armsteel meeting. 352 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: A little over a year earlier, in June twenty thirteen, 353 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: whistleblower Edward Snowden leaked thousands of classified documents about the 354 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: extent of global surveillance conducted by the NSA, the National 355 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: Security Agency. So these ideas about the government listening in 356 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: via your phone are very much in the air at 357 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: the time as this meeting is happening. But who is 358 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: Flavio afraid will hear the CIA, which apparently he's working for, 359 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: or the Romedian government, which Christian works for, or both. Besides, 360 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: if Flavia suspects Wan might be working for the DEA, 361 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 1: why would he care about a spy agency listening in 362 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: on their phones when Wan is likely recording the conversation anyway, 363 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, of course Wan's recording this meeting. 364 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 5: Excuse, how are you bye? 365 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 6: Thank you? 366 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: One is speaking to Christian for the first time. That's 367 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: Christian's real voice. They're all inside a conference room at 368 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: the hotel. 369 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 5: This speaks Spanish, No, no English, not very good. 370 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: Spanish English, Spanish, but no English, one says of his colleague, 371 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: whose name is Diego. Diego doesn't speak English, or at 372 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: least he's pretending not to speak English. I just want 373 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: to point out how absurd this meeting at the Bucharest 374 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: Marriott is one or Alex Diaz, the DEA informant, is 375 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: with another DEA guy who's pretending to be a Colombian 376 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: farc rebel, the so called Diego. This Diego guy isn't 377 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: subtle about a supposed revolutionary work. He's giving off some 378 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: solid cheguo var vibes. Meanwhile, Flavio is in his mind 379 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: a CIA asset, so he's performing his own role. The 380 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: only one without a hidden agenda in all this is Christian. 381 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 3: I was supposed to explain to them the weapons and 382 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: how they work. 383 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: It's all theater, with each side playing a part for 384 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: the other. Anyway, here's Diego, with one translating. 385 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 6: And. 386 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: The first we want to thank you coming here. 387 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: From here, Diego gets right down the business. 388 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the far Yeah? The the argument 389 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 5: of the people stanchando. We are a country finding this 390 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 5: course for six years. Mirida is midbis. 391 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: His life is my life, is my country, Diego tells 392 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: Flavia and Christian as if borrowing from a list of 393 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: cliches for revolutionetionaries. Diego then begins to explain the Flavi 394 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: and Christian why his organization needs these weapons and. 395 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 5: Problem and this one will have a big problem. 396 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 3: Yes, americanoicters, black hat attack helicos. 397 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: Diego says, US government attack helicopters now being used in 398 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: Colombia have tipped the balance of the conflict. The FARC 399 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: only has assault rifles, making them largely defenseless against the 400 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: choppers balance. 401 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 5: Because of that, the government has given it was jo 402 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 5: is armamento and ti a. 403 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 3: Los helicopters North Americanos. 404 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 5: All he is is weapons to fight the error fight 405 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: again the airplace of the Americans. 406 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: Los los Americanos. 407 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: Americans laugh of us, look criminal, you have to fight 408 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 5: the air fight we can use He says that if 409 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,639 Speaker 5: we fight and we'll destroyed two or three of the 410 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 5: helicopters and we kill two or three people, I want 411 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 5: to think twice before they keep on doing this, can spider, 412 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 5: what do you have that might help? Was defense? 413 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: Christian pulls out a weapons catalog. These are the type 414 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: of weapons they can obtain. Diego flips through the pages 415 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: and then taps his finger down repeatedly on one item. 416 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 5: This is what he's talking about. 417 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: Diego is interested in something called a ZU twenty three, 418 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: an anti aircraft cannon that mounts to a small two 419 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: wheel trailer. The canon, designed by the Soviet Union in 420 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, is so effective and adaptable that it's 421 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: still in use around the world today seventy years later. 422 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: It's perfective hell, but Diego says, they're not picky. It 423 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be the ZU twenty three. They just 424 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: need a weapon system that can take down American helicopters. 425 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 5: The idea is that whatever you give was, then we 426 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 5: can show this was down to take it out of. 427 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: But any arm steel for an anti aircraft system has 428 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 1: a big obstacle, the ends user certificate to buy and 429 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: ship the weapons. Christian tells one in Diego that they 430 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: need that document. 431 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 5: If you want to get it, then you past probably 432 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 5: way said ask him, what do you think about not rush, 433 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 5: take your time on and once that launch of time 434 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 5: we're taking together. 435 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Flavio explains that he and Christian needs some time to 436 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: obtain the document and once they have it, everyone should 437 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: meet again in person to finalize the weapons order. 438 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: Wow, nothing, it's not the The problem is not the mention. 439 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 4: The problem is the induser. So as soon as you 440 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: find it. 441 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 5: Next day, okay, okay. 442 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: The four men then get up from the table, which 443 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: I asked us. It's the deal is finally coming together 444 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: for everyone, or so it seems. One is gathering evidence 445 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: for the DEA, and Flavio believes he's gathering information for 446 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: the c i A, including information about Christian Vintilla and 447 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: Christian's network of arm suppliers. 448 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: Myself, I always have the feeling just to put every 449 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 2: on the table. In what you do as a government, 450 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: that one is not my business because I know behind 451 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: the curtains it's a different stories and now what you 452 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: see on TV or what you hear in the radio. 453 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: By myself, I did the JEB. I did my part. 454 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: And Flavio has one more contact. He's hoping to deliver 455 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: a guy who can help them get that ends user certificate. 456 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: He's someone well known in Europe, someone with connections, someone 457 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: accustomed to navigating the halls of power. He's a politician, 458 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: a flamboyant former member of the Italian Parliament Karamichi jail Redici. 459 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: His name is Massimo Romagnoli. That's in the next episode. 460 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: This is up in arms, season two of Alphabet Boys. 461 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: Alphabet Boys is a production of Western Sound and iHeart Podcasts. 462 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: The show is reported, written and hosted by me, Trevor Aaronson. 463 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: For more information about this series or to drop us 464 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: a tip, head to our website Alphabet Boys dot xyz. 465 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: You can contact me on Twitter or Instagram at Trevor Aaronson. 466 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: The show's instagram is alphabet Boys dot pod. 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