WEBVTT - Zebras w/ Mike Doyle

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Kara Klank and I'm Liza Trigger,

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<v Speaker 2>your other host.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked SVU crimes. We have celeb guests.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a jam packed episode, like always, fan favorite episode,

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait, but I have huge news. What So I

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<v Speaker 2>went to our local dive bar yesterday, you know, Johnny's,

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<v Speaker 2>and with a few of my friends and it was

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<v Speaker 2>bingo night and I won bingo twice. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>I love bingo. I want dominoes and then my own

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<v Speaker 2>little like bingo set. But the dominoes were such a

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<v Speaker 2>good prize. But yeah, I won once and everyone was mad,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I won twice and then people were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of annoyed, but.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, this is rigged.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was just lucky and fun. And she made

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<v Speaker 2>my vodka soda so citrusy. I fucking love it there.

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<v Speaker 2>But again I was home again by like ten something.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in bed by eleven BM.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my the world, this is crazy, A new girl.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a new person. I went and did a show

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<v Speaker 1>last night. But then I was home and everybody was

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<v Speaker 1>a buzz on the internet, and I know, listen, we're

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<v Speaker 1>always in the time machine now, but so this will

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<v Speaker 1>be old news.

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<v Speaker 3>But were weird? If we didn't mention it, you would

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<v Speaker 3>be why.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Marisha Carte did last night win the People's Choice

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<v Speaker 1>Award for Best Dramatic Actress or something amazing. She looked great.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's like, look at her hair. I'm like, yes, those

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<v Speaker 1>are beautiful extensions. Her hair is like down past her tits. Practically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's wild. She looks great. She's giving a speech where

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know. I didn't watch the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only looking at clips, but like I know she's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about pro choice stuff because she's like, wow, another

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<v Speaker 1>great word is choice, like talking about people's choice, but

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<v Speaker 1>obviously talking about abortion. And then behind her, Kathy Hilton,

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<v Speaker 1>who I must have presented her with the award, whips

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<v Speaker 1>out her purse and starts putting on lipstick behind Marishka

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<v Speaker 1>Hargan day as she's accepting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so rude that it almost.

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<v Speaker 1>Circles back around to being hilarious, like she's just the

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<v Speaker 1>most clueless woman on the planet, Like, who even has

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<v Speaker 1>their purse? Like when you go present an award, When

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<v Speaker 1>you see people at award shows, they have their purses

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<v Speaker 1>on the red carpet. Maybe they're not they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>them on stage with them.

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<v Speaker 2>You're also not doing lip gloss, and people are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make excuses like maybe she didn't think the camera

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<v Speaker 2>would be on her, and it's like you're standing right

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<v Speaker 2>behind the it's also distracting.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so rude.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Yeah, instead of all eyes being focused on this

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<v Speaker 2>speech and this person winning, they're looking at you.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's all innocent and clueless. I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's an evil bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you think she's doing that shit on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think he's pro life and she did, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just wanted to like do something instead of listening

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<v Speaker 1>to her talk about pro choice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like, inconsiderate people are bad people. So even

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<v Speaker 2>if like clueless and inconsiderate, are they the same.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think she's inconsiderate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you don't think someone is winning an like

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<v Speaker 2>you're on stage with a person giving a speech, Why

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<v Speaker 2>are you digging in your purse and starting the lip gloss?

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<v Speaker 2>It's inconsiderate, Like, I don't think it's just like, so's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>She also kidnapped her daughter in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>night and threw her into a juvie jail, So like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see past that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I haven't seen that at all, But like I

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly was thinking about it how I thought Marishka

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<v Speaker 1>would take it, and I was like, I bet Marishka

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<v Speaker 1>will think.

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<v Speaker 2>This is funny. I'll defend her and she could laugh

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<v Speaker 2>about it. Yeah, like it is crazy. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also taking out my anger for the people who

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<v Speaker 2>are like so everything is just so black and white

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<v Speaker 2>in our culture now where it's just like Lisa Rene

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<v Speaker 2>is evil and Kathy Hilton's an angel, and that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of storyline makes me hate her, even if I don't

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<v Speaker 2>truly you know what I mean, because it makes me

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<v Speaker 2>like she's not an angel, she's I just bet she's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty terrible person. I dothy, Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, but I'm sure doesn't care and it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And also if it wasn't like pro choice talk if

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't about abortion, I don't think i'd be as

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<v Speaker 2>fired up to and be like, oh whatever. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was like right as she was trying to talk about abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>that was like yeah, yeah, but congrats to our queen Marishka.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad she won, even though I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really even know People's Choice Award, like, don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry one. Yeah, it's like all based on people and

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<v Speaker 1>fans and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's kind of cool because Jennifer Aniston,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think ever won like an Emmy or anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one gave her respect, but that bitch cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 2>But the People's Choice she is America's fucking sweetheart. We

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<v Speaker 2>really likes her. I just don't like how much she

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<v Speaker 2>pedals products now and I get it, honeymaker mind, but

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<v Speaker 2>you are probably worth like what five hundred million dollars, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a vitamins now and another hairline. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know girls she does so and then the

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<v Speaker 2>water uh yeah, but those are just ads. If we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking ads, there's also a VEB. She makes her own products.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying, yes, oh I didn't realize that. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, why wouldn't we want to sell buy

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<v Speaker 2>what she's selling. Everyone wants to be Jennifer Aston. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>this is just something little that I saw, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really want those big Apple Bluetooth headphones. They look cool

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<v Speaker 2>and I heard their noise canceling, but they're like five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw Ali mccowsky wearing them today on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>They look hip. Okay, Yeah, Dave Mazzoni is the one

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<v Speaker 3>who got I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, ooh, but the big problem is you can't use

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<v Speaker 2>him on a plane, and that's usually where I use

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<v Speaker 2>big ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh they don't even have a chord that comes with them.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't. But listen to this. On our last there's

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<v Speaker 2>no cord. But on our last flight that I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a guy in front of me and it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>little attachment that you can plug into the TV screen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I texted Mazzoni immediately he goes, you knew I

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<v Speaker 2>needed this, and that makes me kind of excited for technology.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, it like as a Bluetooth you can plug

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<v Speaker 2>into your as.

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<v Speaker 3>You screen out.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I just saw guy using it the other

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<v Speaker 2>day and I was like, oh, hell yeah, well was

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<v Speaker 2>it the guy on the flight. It was the guy

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<v Speaker 2>that kept We were in the lounge of the line

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<v Speaker 2>with him. He was the one in the scooter. It

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<v Speaker 2>was him who had it. It wasn't him, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know him. No, this was like multiple flights ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a guy with this, and I go, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, this is amazing because I'm so sick of

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<v Speaker 1>on the airplane, like always pulling my thing out in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the movie by accident. Like I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to have my wireless on. So that's cool, That

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<v Speaker 1>is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the listeners to know that if that's something outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the insane price tag that is keeping you from Bluetooth. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>big headphones, there's a there's a compartment.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's like a big the big ticket item you

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<v Speaker 1>ask for this holiday. Speaking of this episode's wide releasing

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<v Speaker 1>on December twentieth, Happy Honkah. We're in the middle of Honkah.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy almost Christmas, Happy everything else that you celebrate. If

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<v Speaker 1>you celebrate something else, hope, happy holidays. Ever this best

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<v Speaker 1>of us for the rest of us. Yeah, what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, do you have any holiday thoughts?

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<v Speaker 3>Do I have holiday thoughts?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I love when everyone you know, whether it's Christmas or

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<v Speaker 2>even the Super Bowl, which I'm not even a fan of.

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<v Speaker 3>But I like when everyone's connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I like when everyone's doing the same thing at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, even if it's like a blizzard or

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<v Speaker 2>natural disaster.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, we're all connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the pandemic in a weird way, was like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm having the same experience as someone in like

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<v Speaker 1>New Zealand, India, like Japan, like all over the world.

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<v Speaker 1>We were all having the same experience of being locked

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<v Speaker 1>in our houses.

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<v Speaker 3>So I know what you mean. Well, I'm still in China.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those videos of people being dragged out of

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<v Speaker 2>their apartments, I know, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I Hunger Games usk, yeah, it's Hunger Games. Ask.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>I also am someone that did movies movies for Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>growing up, so like, I love an American Christmas. I

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<v Speaker 2>want the pajamas, I want to lounge, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>watch the movies. I want us stalking like, I love

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<v Speaker 2>it all and I'm doing My good friends invited three

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<v Speaker 2>brunette Jews to their house, so we're gonna just like go.

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<v Speaker 2>I love friend's house and I already pre ordered Magnolia

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<v Speaker 2>banana pudding in cupcakes delivery and my Italian Shircos pastry

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<v Speaker 2>shop cookies to arrive on Christmas Eve. So because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>else is cooking and I'm not, I'm not cooking, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't cook, and I don't clean, and I don't help.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will spend two hundred dollars on premium desserts

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<v Speaker 2>to be shipped directly to the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's my that's my step in the game.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I've always done that as a kid, even

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<v Speaker 2>like I would be like, I'll give you money if

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<v Speaker 2>you go do it, I'll pay for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just don't want to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my family loves the kids like to go out

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<v Speaker 1>to a movie on like Christmas night, like the night

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<v Speaker 1>after Christmases, after the meal or whatever, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>a movie, Like I remember we all went to go

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<v Speaker 1>see Django one year. We saw The Favorite a few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, Like we always go to a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool, you still do it? Mine is such a

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<v Speaker 2>memory of my past. What would you see this Christmas?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's out the coming out this Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Tarantino like releases movies on Christmas. I feel like all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I so every time someone goes, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this movie is amazing, I go, I have not even

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<v Speaker 2>heard of it. Someone at the bar Astro was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this movie it's the best, it's the best, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not even I I haven't even seen one

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<v Speaker 2>ad one tweet, nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, so it's so different because also like

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<v Speaker 1>movies are coming out for like a week and then streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like all the like things are coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I heard that movie spirited, that holiday movie was

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<v Speaker 1>very good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, but you can always watch it, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's act like very kind of looking really quick

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<v Speaker 1>to see if I can find anything that's something was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like baby, I love you, or like baby it takes

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<v Speaker 2>to like something Baby I feel But people like Triangle

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<v Speaker 2>of Sadness. I mean, I still want to see Pearl.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen my Halloween movies of this year yet.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's where I'm a.

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to see that. I do want to

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<v Speaker 3>see the menu that looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Good that that was talked about yesterday at the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah the menu.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's a dark comedy, yeah comedy, And I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would like to see that. And I can't think.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, and Casey just did flag us our little ten

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<v Speaker 2>minute thing, which reminded me I did for some reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever go through all of our one star reviews just

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<v Speaker 2>to see to see what's that. And I'd like to say,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't like the intro or us talking about

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<v Speaker 2>non SVU stuff, you know what you can do fast

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<v Speaker 2>forward it. You don't tux how about that? You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to fast forward, you don't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead. It's like God, they don't stop talking, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you just go. I listen to lots of

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<v Speaker 2>podcasts story fast forward through segments I don't love. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even Oh, this crime is not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually I'm not gonna listen. I would never go

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<v Speaker 2>and be like whatever, if you don't like the intro

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<v Speaker 2>of our own podcast, fucking fast forward it, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it's none of you that are listening today. My favorite

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<v Speaker 2>was one person like hates the podcast but gave it

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<v Speaker 2>forty six episodes. They gave it forty six tries, which

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible, and it never was good enough.

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<v Speaker 3>It's never love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's my favorite thing. But if you do

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<v Speaker 1>like us and you want to come see us live.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always you know it's me. You're weekly hawking of

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<v Speaker 1>our tour day. We are going to be in Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>on January nineteenth, in New York City on the twentieth,

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<v Speaker 1>although I believe that show is sold out, but you

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<v Speaker 1>never know. Sometimes when we post the homework, people will

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<v Speaker 1>trade tickets underneath, so marketing your calendar you might be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get a ticket. The twenty first, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing two shows in Boston, a four pm

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<v Speaker 1>I believe in a seven pm, and then we're in

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<v Speaker 1>Hartford on the twenty What day am I on twenty second?

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<v Speaker 3>I also forgot. We're in Indianapolis on the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 1>And we just announced we're coming to Vancouver for just

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<v Speaker 1>for laughs Vancouver on February twentieth. I think we'll also

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<v Speaker 1>both be around doing a few stand up shows around

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<v Speaker 1>those dates as well. So all that shit's on, that's

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<v Speaker 1>messed up live dot Com. Guys, go get some tickets,

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<v Speaker 1>Come see us in Canada, come see us in on

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<v Speaker 1>the East Coast and in Indianapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>And it would be fucked up if we did not

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<v Speaker 2>mention Christy Ally. I know she has been questionable with

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<v Speaker 2>her brain and mouth. Uh recently in the past few years,

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<v Speaker 2>but what a superstar. We went a lot to both

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<v Speaker 2>of us comedically, acting, hair, beauty, everything, so yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>wishing the best for her family, yes for sure, sending like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, love to her kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And and we just reviewed her book on Chelsea Devonte's

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity Book Club. If you're interested in remembering Kirsty, go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to our episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Said it was the worst book ever, and she hated

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<v Speaker 2>it a great book. Chelsea said it was the worst

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<v Speaker 2>she'd read. All these things can be true.

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<v Speaker 1>She can be a bad memoirist and a trumpy scientologist,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a huge part of my childhood, an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing actress. She was amazing on Cheers. Look who's

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<v Speaker 1>talking all kinds of things. She was huge famously. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>it takes two. I loved that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really love for Richer and Poorer and Tim

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<v Speaker 2>Allen's also become a maniac or could have always been,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows, but the for Richer and Poorer really played

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<v Speaker 2>a lot in the Tragger Household and ours.

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<v Speaker 1>My family was obsessed with a movie called Mad House.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a PG thirteen movie about too many guests

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<v Speaker 1>coming to visit a house at the same time and

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<v Speaker 1>the people going crazy, and it's from nineteen ninety. It's

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<v Speaker 1>her and John Leroquett and s v Alum and it's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so crazy. But we watched it so much. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it was like on hbolop. We were

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<v Speaker 1>just watching it all the time. Love it was. She

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<v Speaker 1>was truly a hero of mine. She made me want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a single mom. When I watched La Who's talking?

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<v Speaker 1>I was eleven. I didn't know really what being a

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<v Speaker 1>single mom entailed. I just saw who needs a man?

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<v Speaker 1>This looks like fun her and the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Oh which, oh gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, hopefully by the new year, Kara will be

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<v Speaker 2>caught up on White Lotus.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we got to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, it's like I just I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just listened to Megan Faihie unless Culturistas today too

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<v Speaker 2>in the car and she brought up us for you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, which was exciting. Okay, excuse me, well,

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<v Speaker 2>because they were talking about guest starring and if she's

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<v Speaker 2>been on a like this other show, and she went, no,

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<v Speaker 2>my big moment was.

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<v Speaker 3>SVU, So I like that she gave the shout out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so let's get started, because I'm obsessed with this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this episode's huge, Jess. So you know, you may

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<v Speaker 1>have seen us do this in a live show, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think our recap today is going to be different,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're so excited to bring you this classic Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>Zebras Season ten, episode twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>We've done this live a couple times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you've seen us do this baby live, still

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<v Speaker 1>listen because I think we're going to have different opinions

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<v Speaker 1>and not opinions, but observations. We will pretty much always

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<v Speaker 1>feel the same about this episode. It's a classic we

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<v Speaker 1>in case you don't know, when we go on tour,

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<v Speaker 1>we do episodes that usually aren't based on a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>We try to do classics.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I was going through a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 1>episode a bunch of our different resources that we used

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<v Speaker 1>to see what stuff is based on, I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a case that this is based on. So

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<v Speaker 1>we decided to do it for the pod, and we

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<v Speaker 1>got a cool guest. So it's all coming together and

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<v Speaker 1>Zebras is happening when it's supposed to happen. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>done it on the road, and we hope that you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed that if you saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I yeah, I'm excited. It's it's a pretty guest forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, yeah, a clue, but not too specific

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<v Speaker 2>of a clue. Listen, we open up on rollerbladers that

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<v Speaker 2>are very into safety and guess what, Karen os one

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<v Speaker 2>of the bladers. Yes, the blader is my friend Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>who is We've known each other. We took UCB classes

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<v Speaker 2>together and we just kind of have stayed in touch,

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<v Speaker 2>like over that we won't talk for a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll hang out like we've hung out in

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<v Speaker 2>all different cities, will meet up in like we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>each other in Chicago, now in Madison, like we just

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<v Speaker 2>saw him at our live show in Madison.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he is a Broadway baby.

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<v Speaker 1>He tours all over right now in the touring Castuff

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<v Speaker 1>Come from Away, So if you've seen him Come from

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<v Speaker 1>Away in your city, he plays the mayor of the

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<v Speaker 1>town as well as other parts, because everyone plays a

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<v Speaker 1>million parts in the show, but he's the best, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is the one getting to live our dream of

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<v Speaker 1>rollerblading into you know a body.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's helmets knee pads, elbow pads, risk cards,

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<v Speaker 2>and the daughter's pissed. She's like, why do we even

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<v Speaker 2>do this? Like I clearly suck at this. Dad like,

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<v Speaker 2>why can't we do something else? And he's like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>having fun. And then he starts rolling down a hillbridge

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<v Speaker 2>in Central Park. He's not ready for that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>incline and he falls into a bush. And then after

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<v Speaker 2>his daughter pulls him out, they see that he's covered

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<v Speaker 2>in full on blood, but it's not his blood. So

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<v Speaker 2>then it's like the daughter's smart's like, I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>a cut. I would never look for a cut. I

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<v Speaker 2>would just be like, oh, you're bleeding. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I want if she's in nursing school or something.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they start looking in the bush. Where's the

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<v Speaker 2>blood coming from? The daughter's shrieks so loud, obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>dead body and from the scream we cut straight to

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<v Speaker 2>Benson and the Stabler on the scene. Stabler is wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball hat and I think it's hot and that's

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<v Speaker 2>that and their first lines in the scene are stucky,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up? And this is a stucky episode? So trigger warning,

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<v Speaker 2>trigger warning, and stucky is played by Noel.

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<v Speaker 3>Gall No is it Noel Gallagher from Oasis? Noel Fisher, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Noel Fisher.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be so funny if it was played by

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<v Speaker 1>one of the guys from Oasis.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't think that's that crazy of a mix up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it just made me laugh because the Gallagher brothers

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<v Speaker 2>are like these weird brothers that fight each other.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, they're such dorks. They're such dorks.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, Noel Fisher, I know him really well from

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<v Speaker 2>Shameless and he's in He's an incredible actor, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the most hated characters of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is what it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that it shows how much how good he is

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<v Speaker 1>because you want to kill him. But then everybody that

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<v Speaker 1>you meet that like no Zimmer has seen him and

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff like, is obsessed. So all of our comments

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<v Speaker 1>about Stuck you're about Stucky, don't come for us. Noel fisherheads,

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<v Speaker 1>we realize he's a good person.

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<v Speaker 2>So Noel Fisher in Shameless plays this character whose sister

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<v Speaker 2>is no As Ellie Porter, Noah Porter's birth mother. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>so they play siblings. Okay, yeah, they're the Milkovich's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen like a second of Shameless, I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mickey and Mandy Milkovich. So Stucky starts to fill

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<v Speaker 2>them in and it's early thirties and then he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>just bookoo lacerations. And you told me that's a word

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<v Speaker 2>in French, but I both thought it just says a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was slang like bookoo bucks Like it

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<v Speaker 2>just always seemed like slang to me. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was so disrespectful to the dead woman. But

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it is a real French word. I think

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<v Speaker 2>his tone is very disrespectful.

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<v Speaker 1>He's acting way too excited for a woman that has

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<v Speaker 1>many lacerations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, I wrote she's slashed to hell. So

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm stucky too, you know what I mean? Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm disrespectful to this a too stucky Yeah, deep stab

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<v Speaker 2>wounds Kansas driver's license. Her name is Rachel, thirty two

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<v Speaker 2>years old. Benson notices she has her wedding rings song,

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<v Speaker 2>so probably not a robbery. Stucky leans down and he

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<v Speaker 2>has his own theory and he's like, what if she's

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<v Speaker 2>in cahoots with the mafia. This is a message. And

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<v Speaker 2>Stabler's like, somebody is seeing zebras and stuck. He's like, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>and Benson explains, if you hear hoof beats in Central Park,

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<v Speaker 2>don't think Zebras. And he points to a guy in

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<v Speaker 2>a horse and is like, do you think this guy

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<v Speaker 2>did it? I think that's funny. So Stabler sighs deeply,

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<v Speaker 2>like you idiot. She just means the answer is usually

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<v Speaker 2>the simplest explanation, and he's like, it's probably a casual

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<v Speaker 2>stranger rape. She fought back, he cut her, but that

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, died of shock. Benson moves the victim's

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<v Speaker 2>arm though, and on her forehead in red blood, it

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<v Speaker 2>says guilty or lipstick. I'm not really sure, but it

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<v Speaker 2>says guilty. And in her hand as a pacifier. Sh

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<v Speaker 2>had a baby with her.

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<v Speaker 3>Fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone just runs off, starts looking for a baby.

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<v Speaker 2>The baby's in the stroller, alive, and on the baby's

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<v Speaker 2>forehead it says innocent. Benson exclaims, damn, maybe we are

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a zebra credits.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel bad for Zebras because they are so cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're no one's number one animal.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we talked about this at one of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They are so one of the wildest animals when you

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<v Speaker 1>just see them, because I don't understand how that's camouflage anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like when you think of like whoever

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<v Speaker 1>created animals, You're like, wow, whether you believe that's God,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you believe that's evolution. I'm just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did zebras get in there?

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<v Speaker 2>But I know, but like if I if I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to Safari, I would be like, can't wait to

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.200
<v Speaker 2>see giraffes and elephants, even though zebras are so cool,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're no one's favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>True, You're right, what is it like? No one's like

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 3>can't wait to go to bots and see the zebras.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always just like can't wait to see a lion

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<v Speaker 2>and they look just like cats.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares about lion? I mean I do, I would

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<v Speaker 3>love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying it's weird that zebras are not

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<v Speaker 2>more popular since they're so beautiful, totally unique. They have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to bring to the table. Okay, so yeah,

0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:24.239
<v Speaker 2>we open up Zebra's right, we're back. Well, yeah, I

0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:26.720
<v Speaker 2>just know that there is a funny joke about zebras

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<v Speaker 2>from childhood. You know what's white and black and red?

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<v Speaker 3>All over or something like a zebra and a blender

0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 3>or something. I was sunburned.

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<v Speaker 1>Zebra, oh oll mine is so violent.

0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the blender going straight to blenders. Crazy.

0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 2>We open up back on a nurse holding the baby

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and we hear voices like damn, who would do this?

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 2>And Benson's like, maybe you can tell us. So we

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 2>see that it's the data the baby and the detectives

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.159
<v Speaker 2>are behind him and they ask the guy, did your

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.640
<v Speaker 2>wife have trouble with anybody? And he's like, we don't

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:02.520
<v Speaker 2>know anybody in New York. I went to a talk

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<v Speaker 2>on hydroponics.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Rachel took Evan to Central Park to take pics, but

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 2>they didn't find a camera and that really upsets him.

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 2>He's like, please, we took photos all week and I

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>need those photos. Those are our last photos. Please find

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.560
<v Speaker 2>my camera. We're back on the scene and yay, the

0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:22.199
<v Speaker 2>camera was found, but by Stucky and he's like this

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 2>is a shitty camera. Who gives a shit? And it's like,

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>fuck you, bro, not where it's for the pictures, you know.

0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.360
<v Speaker 2>So they have to explain to this dumb ass, like so.

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Like zero, if there's bedside manner for a CSU tech

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 1>he has like negative like he just doesn't have any

0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>common sense.

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I wonder if it's like also a clue to

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 2>his so seopathy or like that he's a psycho that

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.160
<v Speaker 2>in his head, he's not like, oh, the husband would

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:50.679
<v Speaker 2>like to look at photos of his dead well last

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>moments of or on the earth of his wife. Yeah,

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Instead it's like this camera sucks. Was this even worth

0:23:55.840 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the overtime page? Like he's just not connected to humanity. Well,

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.400
<v Speaker 2>that's why he's a scientist. Most doctors and scientists are

0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty cut off from Yeah people, Yeah, come out, come

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.480
<v Speaker 2>at me. I believe what I'm saying. Doctors, even your mom, No,

0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>your mom is so sick. So they recovered most of

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the photos, and nine minutes after the last photo is

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 2>taken is when the rollerbladers called the cops.

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:20.600
<v Speaker 3>So what happened?

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.639
<v Speaker 2>And Stucky says, if only babies could talk, right, And

0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, there's a movie about that, which is

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 2>really good.

0:24:27.840 --> 0:24:28.719
<v Speaker 3>Look who's talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the best, one of the best, one of the

0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:33.560
<v Speaker 1>best movies of all time. And you know, famously a

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:35.360
<v Speaker 1>movie that made me want to be a single mom

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.199
<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up. I love that movie so

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.959
<v Speaker 1>much and I was like, yeah, the dad is an asshole.

0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Like I just want to have a baby and have

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.159
<v Speaker 2>me be me and the baby. I love Kircially with

0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>the baby. I was like, that's it. I'm going to

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.280
<v Speaker 2>be a single mom.

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I obviously had no idea what that entailed,

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, take men out of it, me

0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 1>and the baby.

0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:00.160
<v Speaker 2>That's so cute. O'Halleran does find a clue in the photo.

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.719
<v Speaker 2>There were a bunch of people in orange vests working

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.080
<v Speaker 2>department and employees. They are out now asking a guy,

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and this man at the park responds to Finn and

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.320
<v Speaker 2>munch is going to their public service guys.

0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Finn asks if they're.

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Scales, which means bottom feeder, parasite, low life, con artist type.

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 2>I did look it up and he's like, oh no,

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>these are like public and talks boys, fair beats, chill criminals.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.359
<v Speaker 2>So they ask if any of the people were suspicious,

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 2>if he saw anything. He didn't notice anything, but he's

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 2>down to give all the info on all the morning

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.160
<v Speaker 2>crew and they're actually all at the boat house painting

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.879
<v Speaker 2>except for one guy, Peter Harrison, who had to go

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 2>home early because he was bleeding.

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:39.959
<v Speaker 3>He cut himself on a glass bottle.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 2>He's doing ninety hours of community service for menacing, which

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>does not seem like a chill crime at all. He

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>does not belong with people that are just not paying

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>for their train tickets. He actually tried to push a

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 2>woman off a subway platform and one of my biggest fears.

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>And Benson and Stabler go visit Peter at his home.

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.919
<v Speaker 2>They knock knock, show the badge and the people and

0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>the voice of the other end not impressed, and he's like,

0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 2>if you don't have a warrant, I don't give a fuck.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And Benson's like, we're just here to talk about your

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.480
<v Speaker 2>injury since you got it performing court ordered stuff and

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 2>we just need to see what's up. He opens to

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the door, just a crack chain still on sticks, his

0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 2>thumb out covered in duct tape, and he goes, I'm fine.

0:26:13.960 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 2>He is a munch vibe of a man satellite surveillance

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 2>ypd's dirty tricks. He goes on and on, and they

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 2>decide to pray on his paranoia. Sailor's like, oh awesome,

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>so you obviously know about rule ten sixty three and

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>he lies and then convinces him to go and sign

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 2>a form and the guys really tricked and he's in

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the hit interrogation room and Benson and Stable are like, actually,

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>we want to clear some stuff up, like why are

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 2>you trying to murder women on the train platform? And

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you don't even get it. She was an operative.

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>She had headphones on with no music, which is like

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>so scary that that's a sign for someone to fully

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:48.360
<v Speaker 2>attack you and think you're an operative.

0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because I just.

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Like to listen to what people are talking about. I'm

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 3>a snoop.

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:54.960
<v Speaker 2>So then they bring up this woman in the park

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:56.919
<v Speaker 2>and he was like, oh my god, she was taking

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 2>photos of me. She was gonna geotag me and let

0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>everyone know my location, and then you know, the black

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 2>helicopters were gonna come down. So then he so he

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>approached this woman and he searched her first, and then

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>she he saw wires and she wasn't cooperating with him,

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 2>but he ordered her to abort the mission, and in

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:18.919
<v Speaker 2>that moment, his attorney walks in and says, and I

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:23.439
<v Speaker 2>abort this interrogation. And she grabs Peter and says let's go,

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, oh, I have to sign up for

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 2>the d D five, and the lawyer opens the folder

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's a menu for a chicken shack, and he's

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>not happy that he was tricked, and Benson's like, listen,

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 2>we actually don't need him to say anything.

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>We have a warrant.

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>So we're at his home and Stucky's making fun of him,

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's confused why this dude only has one plate,

0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:43.400
<v Speaker 2>one cup, one fork, and Munch's But do you think

0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>Stucky has friends? Like, maybe he has more plates and

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 2>forks and knives, but there's no way he has friends.

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't think he's entertaining.

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even understand how a person like Stucky

0:27:54.160 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>would operate in New York City like that. In a way, Stucky,

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate what a bad character he is. I like

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:03.399
<v Speaker 1>where we're going, but he is a departure for the

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>show of this kind of character. We've never had such

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a cartoonish wackadoo. Who is like Stucky in the SVU universe.

0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, who's that guy that's in Law and Order?

0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Who is in Blackish? Anthony Anderson? He was annoying to me,

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>like over the top, but that was only one episode.

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like someone with like no social skills, who's

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:30.600
<v Speaker 1>made it to the top of this field in New

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>York City where you have to imagine that, Like, I

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>bet you he is. He's just one of these people

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that's just like very BookSmart and just has zero social skills.

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's like the problem with him.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But we find out later spoiler if you've watched already,

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>he's unhinged.

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, I just wonder, like, is he

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 3>in a book club? Who are his friends?

0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Like can you imagine him walking down the street going

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to start about like living life in New York?

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't see it, but you know whatever.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So Munch is on this guy's laptop and is like, damn,

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>this dude is paranoid as fuck, and he has all

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:06.720
<v Speaker 2>these websites open about surviving gang stalking, nine one one truth,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>nine one one, nine to eleven, Truthers, Vatican stuff. And

0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Finn opens the closet and it's pepper An's style, just

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 2>five shirts, pants, all the same, all black, with six

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 2>pairs of shoes and so the sixth outfit is missing,

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 2>but why not the shoes? And that's a huge mistake

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and he actually has a knife in one of the shoes,

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and we cut to the lab. O'hllarin's explaining to Stabler

0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that Melinda sent him the results and the blood on

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 2>the knife is the victims.

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 3>So then Stabler's there and he starts to.

0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Say Stucky's catchphrase, and he's like bing bang, and before

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 2>he can finish, O'halaran's like, please stop, please don't say it.

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>There's also blood on the on the guy's shoe as well,

0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler's like, this guy is toast his defense. Lawyer

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 2>walks in though, and and I guess she's just allowed

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>in the lab whenever she wants and she barely right.

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>That seems that's suspicious to quote Cardi B that's weird,

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Like why, like lawyers shouldn't be allowed in there. She

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>could swipe anything she wanted off the fucking counter. Oh,

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 2>she confidently just marches right in. Yeah, out a care

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>in the world. So she says barely guys, I mean

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>you interrogated a mentally ill man without counsel, and you

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.920
<v Speaker 2>know he's incompetent and he can't wave Miranda, And Stabler's like,

0:30:20.920 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 2>why are you here? And she says she wants to

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>make sure you don't play fast and loose with the

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 2>evidence too, and Ryan's like, we don't play games here,

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:29.959
<v Speaker 2>and he says, we have the victims DNA and your

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>client's knife, like done and done. So she finally starts

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to look nervous and stunned and is like, oh my god, really,

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 2>let me see the paperwork.

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 3>He hands it over.

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 2>She looks through the file and then smiles and she's

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>found a contamination. He says, no way, and she's like, well,

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>the evidence number from the murder and from my client's

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>apartment are both listed under the same voucher number, and

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>that's a big no no. Stabler grabs the file and

0:30:50.640 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>fuck and Ryan goes stucky and lawyer the lawyer says,

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>commingled evidence. I love the word commingled. Lawyer says com

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>mingled evant. So my client walks right out the door,

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 2>sleep tight gentleman. And she walks off, and Stabler says

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I'll kill him, and Ryan says I'll dump the body,

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 2>which means they're best friends. So Stable runs off. Stabler

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 2>runs off to try and save the case. Where does

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>he run Judith Light's house. Judge Elizabeth Donnelly opens the

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 2>door in a white silk robe and BedHead, and she's

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>very happy to see Elliott sexys in the doorway and

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>he says, hey, this isn't a social call and she

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, that's highly improper and then says and

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>a pity, so she wants to fuck him so wild.

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I never clocked this until here, like with a minute.

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>She opens the door, she sees Stabler like she gets

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Judith light Horn dog eyes like her eyes like soften

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.880
<v Speaker 1>up and she's like, oh, Elliott like and she's like,

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>what akwinkie dink I'm in my robe, like it's so

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 1>funny to me.

0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>But he explains, He's like, I actually just need some

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>help with this case. She's like, you know, listen, your

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>department runs the notion of credible DNA, so the results

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>are unreliable. That would be disastrous and overturn hundreds of convictions.

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 2>So you got to talk to Cabot and see if

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.720
<v Speaker 2>getting this purpose really worth setting a lot of guilty

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>people free. And so we're at arrangement and the court

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>hasn't started yet. Stucky runs in and pleads with Benson

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and Stable are like, I didn't fuck it up, and

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>they're like, okay, well, the.

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 3>Defense is going to argue you did.

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Like we don't care and we bring in Peter and

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 2>it's time to decide what they're going to do with

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 2>this killer. And we meet an eighty a named Kristin

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Torres for the people. Cabot's stuck in traffic so she

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>couldn't make it, and Julia Zimmer, the defense is like,

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 2>or she didn't want to be like a laughing stock,

0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know, with this career ender of a case.

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.560
<v Speaker 2>But the defense attorney calls for a full dismissal. Stucky

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 2>is so sad. He's furrowed, crybrow vibes and reacting to

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:49.240
<v Speaker 2>what's happening.

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 3>He's so stressed out.

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>And defense asks like to come back when they have

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>a better case, and the judge's down and it's like

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>gavel dismiss, dismissed without prejudice. Stucky yells, you can't dismiss.

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 2>He's guilty, your honor, and the judge leans in and

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.320
<v Speaker 2>smiles and goes, oh, you must be Dale Stucky, and

0:33:04.360 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 2>his response is that he's good at his job. And

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>the judge's like, you're diluded. If this is your definition

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 2>of doing a good job, you're in the wrong line

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>of work. And he cries, you don't know me, and

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 2>she quickly says, and I don't care to sit down

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and shut up. She tells him you're free to go

0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to Peter, and Peter says something about mind control and

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 2>her being a beacon of hope, and she's like, save it.

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 2>You're a murderer walking on a technicality and if it

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 2>were up to me, you'd be in the nuthouse where

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>you belong. And then Stucky with the biggest balls ever

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>yells out, you're the nut for letting him go, and

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stablor in Unison turn around to stare at

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>him with their mouse on the floor like, oh my god,

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>bro don't do that. And Judge Donnelly asks is everyone

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>crazy today? Five minute recess and then she gabbles again

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and goes people take.

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Your meds and I like that.

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Julia Zimmer says, thanks, Dale, we couldn't have done it

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>without you, a real twist in the knife in his

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>gut of embarrassment, and sta to Peter says we'll be

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>watching you. As he walks out of the courtroom, Dale

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 2>looks sad. He then runs down the court steps yelling

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>for the detectives. As you know, they put sunglasses on

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and walk down really sexy on the court steps and

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 2>they don't have time for him. They're like, you botched

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>and open and shut case, bro, and that's that. And

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>he says I didn't do anything wrong, and it's like,

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>just admit it. If he just said I made a mistake,

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I fucked up, like that would be better. Stabler says,

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 2>what we're all thinking with what I just said, and

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.719
<v Speaker 2>he's just like, yeah, it's always I I me me, Like,

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.560
<v Speaker 2>just apologize and take ownership.

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 3>Bro, you did fuck up.

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>He calls him selfish and says, I'm going to do

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 2>anything I can to get you run out of CSU

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 2>until you're working at the motor pool where the only

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>thing you can screw up as an oil change. Stabler

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 2>walks off in a huff and Benson is like little

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>miss good cop and says, Bro, people would make mistakes.

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.320
<v Speaker 3>We just have to figure out a way to fix it.

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>And he says how and he's walking away, and Benson goes, oh,

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Harrison has a shadow, two of them in fact, and

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Finn and Munch are following Harrison down into the subway

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>and wildly we're in Coney Island, a busy, busy day

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 2>at the Pier Amusement park and Finn and Munch are

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 2>full sunglasses in black they look like goths at a carnival.

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And there's an Aladdin style fire spitting sword guy and

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 2>the killer enters a haunted house and the detectives cut

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>the line and hop in as well. And we laugh

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>about this pretty hardcore on the live show because it's like,

0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:25.840
<v Speaker 2>why don't you just wait at the end of the

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 2>haunted house.

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Like it's so crazy. Why are you riding the ride one?

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>If you take the exit one, if you take the entrance,

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>there's only a couple ways in and out of this

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 1>haunted house at Coney Island.

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>No, they like fully didn't, like they could have closed

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the ride down, but I guess they're just following him.

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 3>But like they did the ride.

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.359
<v Speaker 2>And it looked like a great haunted house like there,

0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was ghoulish, there was like fun stuff.

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:52.359
<v Speaker 2>But so they lose him, obviously, and it's just like

0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.640
<v Speaker 2>it's funny to look for someone in sunglasses and Finn

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 2>is wearing ladies' frames for sure.

0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're both wearing sunglasses inside a house. Like I'm however,

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:02.919
<v Speaker 1>did you lose him?

0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 3>What silly?

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.240
<v Speaker 2>And the fact that like you get out of court

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and you just run to Coney Island.

0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Is really funny to me too.

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>If there's people that listen to this podcast, because people

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>do tell us they listen and they don't watch.

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 3>You got to just go on and look at this.

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.680
<v Speaker 1>The way that Finn and Munch look coming out being

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 1>he cupped out of a haunted house in a little

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>spinny ride, both wearing sunglasses, frantically looking for the killer

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.439
<v Speaker 1>that they've lost is lah.

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 3>It's like Chef's kiss television moment. I love it.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 2>I know it's really wild that we haven't enticed you

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 2>to watch yet. I mean, I'm just obsessed with us,

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>but so wild. So we're at the precincts, we're no

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>longer in Cony Island, and it's Stabler yelling like I

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 2>can't believe they fucking lost him, and Huang and Benson

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>are there with him, and Huang says, yeah, it's gonna

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>be hard to find him because he's so paranoid and

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.600
<v Speaker 2>believes all eyes are on him. So he's like got

0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of places to hide, and he's a pro

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>at hiding. So then it's okay, he's out there hiding,

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.919
<v Speaker 2>Like what else can we do? She's Go suggests picking

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>him up on a mental hygiene warrant. So then it's like,

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>we just got to get a judge to civilly commit him,

0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and Huang is like, I can make that happen, and

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Craigan walks up and says it's too late for that

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>because they found another victim sad, So they cut to

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>a very very bloody woman cut up in a flannel

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>shirt under the pier near Coney Island and Munch finds

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>her id she's anime laws. In twenty nine, Finn greets

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler as they walk on the sand in

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 2>full business outfits, just ties swinging over the sand, and

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 2>he's pissed they lost him, and Finn is like do

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>you not see the thousands of people around here?

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Like, of course we lost him.

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 2>We tried our biss So then Munch is like, maybe

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>it's someone else's.

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 3>Stabler's like shut up, like he's not having it.

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Of course it's this guy Stucky comes out from under

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 2>the pier with a can of cola and there's a

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 2>nice bloody fingerprint, so that's good, okay, And then it's

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>like a really cool shot where Stuck he's in the

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 2>middle of Stabler, Munchfinn, and Benson and I bet this

0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 2>is like a huge day in the actor's life though,

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Like whoever who else gets to stand in the middle

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>of all four detectives over them, Like that must have

0:37:59.520 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>been cool, like a fun day at work. Yeah, because

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 2>they're usually broken up into doubles and stuff, so it's

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 2>just kind of nice. So STUCKI found out that he's

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>part of some online communities and maybe that's a way

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 2>in to find someone he knows. And he loves the

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>website Persecute you dot com and it's an online university

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 2>that helps you fight back. And he bragged online about

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the crime and that he defeated NYPD mind control.

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 3>But how is he posting and running?

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.280
<v Speaker 2>So someone named Gwendolen is chatting with him on the site,

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.280
<v Speaker 2>so maybe we can find him through her, and Munch goes, Okay,

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 2>well I know her, so I'll do this, and he

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>says that he knows her from a jfk assassination site

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>and she has some great pictures of the Grassy Knoll.

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 2>So he goes to meet her at Overthrow bookstore. And

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I used to go to a place called Overthrow Boxing,

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 2>so I kind of like that and it's a it's

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking Carol Kane beloved that. I love her so much.

0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>My favorite thing she's in because it's the holiday season

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>coming up, Scrooged. I'm obsessed with Scrooge. She's one of

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:04.959
<v Speaker 1>the ghosts. I love her so much.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Carol's belove it film, TV, animation, stage and she

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>has like a really signature voice, a lot of blonde

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.840
<v Speaker 2>curls are cute, and she's smiling and she's happy to

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>see Munch.

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>He's not in the Forum anymore.

0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:21.080
<v Speaker 2>He's retired from that, but he's underground working on exposing

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the truth. And she's like, it's got to be so bad,

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, with all these cell towers they're watching us.

0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 2>And he says that they're on to Peter and they're

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to find him. And she's like, oh, you know

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>him and he's like, oh yeah, I heard him give

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.439
<v Speaker 2>a great talk on homeland security. And it's like, where

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 2>is he booking talks like he's he's just a Joe Schmow,

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.759
<v Speaker 2>you know. She says he knows too much and that's

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>why they're after him. And then she shows like a

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.520
<v Speaker 2>newspaper and he's on the cover of it. She catches

0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:50.680
<v Speaker 2>someone spying on them through a bookcase and it's fin

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>and Munch turns around and yells, this is a private conversation,

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and she says, damn, you always made me feel so

0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 2>safe John. He has to get down to business though.

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 2>He's like, listen and I gotta find Peter. She's hesitant,

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 2>he lies, She gives it up, so she says that

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 2>he's running and he has followers that are helping him,

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>and he says, trust me, you know what we meant

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 2>to each other, and she gives more information and says

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:13.320
<v Speaker 2>that he's at an empty store in eighty eighth and Broadway.

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>He rents the basement and he turned it into a

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 2>safe room. He starts to leave and Gwendolen gets up

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and is like, maybe we could be together again. I'm

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 2>back on my meds and he's like, no, I have

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 2>to go, and she begs him to stay, and then

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Finn is like, oh, you sly dog making moves on

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 2>looney Ladies, and Munch walks by and goes, that's my

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 2>ex wife. So done, Dune, I don't know. That's fun

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and excited We meet a wife. Yeah, have we met

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>others of his ex wives? We've heard them reference. No,

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>she's the only one we meet to my knowledge. Yeah,

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 2>So Finn is in the warehouse with Stabler in this

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 2>basement and there's guns and flashlights and Peter's in there,

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>and then he's like hiding and then he pushes a

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 2>shelf on them and he's like, the judge said leave

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 2>me alone, and they're like that before he decided to

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>kill somebody. So he says he didn't kill anyone in

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Coney Island, but they're like, we have a fingerprint, and

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:06.800
<v Speaker 2>he says, I didn't kill you.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 3>You did it to yourself.

0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And he pulls on a rope that's hanging from the

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.720
<v Speaker 2>ceiling and liquid and smoke happen, and our boys are coughing,

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they're struggling, but also Finn is like bending down into

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the smoke fumes. We're back from a commercial break and

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>our boys in blue are okay, and Finn is like, honey,

0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:24.680
<v Speaker 2>I've shared a car with Finn for a long time

0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 2>and I've smelled a lot worse. Oh, Hallarin's on the scene.

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>He's like, no, listen, you guys, joke all jokes aside.

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>You're lucky to be alive. A couple more seconds breathing

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 2>that gas. It's hydrogen sulfide, you'd be dead and Suckiel's

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>bam detergent suicide. He escaped from a secret route, so

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.120
<v Speaker 2>it's like fuck missing again. But Sailor has an idea

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 2>who can help find Peter. So we run to the

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 2>defense attorney and she's like, babe, even if I knew

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.719
<v Speaker 2>where he was, you know, I can't tell you. And

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 2>in her desk there's like tons of bouquets and flowers

0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 2>and gift baskets, so I wonder what celebration has recently

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>happened that everyone's gotten her so many gifts, and they go,

0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 2>he's on a murder streak, and she's like, listen, if

0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 2>he contacts me, I'll urge him to turn himself in.

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:06.120
<v Speaker 2>But you have to do your job and I'll do mine.

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 2>And it's like we're not a team, bitch. Her view

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 2>is good, she is rich. Stabler is like, doing my

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>job got me almost got me killed, and she softens

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a little. She's like, I'm sorry, he's just he's never

0:42:18.120 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 2>been this delusional before. I've tried to get him on meds,

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.319
<v Speaker 2>but he refuses, and Benson goes, wow, you really care

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>about him and she explains that she's known Peter since

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.560
<v Speaker 2>he was seventeen. His parents were killed in a plane

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 2>crash and she got him a good settlement.

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Thank god. You know, a girardi wasn't the last. Yeah,

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say she was his girardi, but

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a good one. Yeah. And she was actually his trustee

0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>until he turned twenty one. And she wants to take

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 1>care of him and help him, and she knows that

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>he could be a danger in himself in the community,

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>but she's the lawyer and so like, the detectives know this,

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and she's doing the best she can. So they're like,

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>maybe you know someone else that can help us, someone

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to whose hands aren't tied, and she remembers a professor

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>at the Gotham School of Fine Arts, Edgar Rodzinsky. The

0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>detective are now doing a windy walk and talk with

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the teacher. He hasn't seen him in months, but he

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 1>wishes he would come to him for help. He's sad

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>to hear that he has killed two people, and he

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 1>could tell his illness was getting worse. His work is

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>always dark, but this week, damn, the shadows were extra

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>spooky and they're like, what new works this week. You

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>said you haven't seen him, and he's like, no, no, no,

0:43:18.520 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen him, but the paintings.

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 2>He comes into the studio at night and then he's

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 2>always gone by the morning, just a little vampire artist.

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>And they go look at his paintings and Benson says, wow,

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Teacher's like incredible, right, and Stabler's like it's like the

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Dante's Inferno meets Newsweek, and the teacher's pissed. He's like,

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 2>a collage isn't just for school children? And I love collaging.

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 2>So I'm with this little teacher and he talks about

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the power of the medium and then says how nine

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>to eleven is the trigger that really fucked Peter up

0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.920
<v Speaker 2>after the towers fell. He became obsessed and became super

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>anti government and it took over his work. And then

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Benson sees one work of art that has a lot

0:43:57.880 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>of clues in it, and so we're now back at

0:43:59.920 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the precinct with the painting and Stucky's holding it up,

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>being like, damn, this is like a confession that it

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>live in.

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Elliott didn't get what oh so stupid.

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Then starts analyzing out loud and the crew hates him.

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.000
<v Speaker 2>They're like, you're in the wrong building. Oh are you

0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>just gonna solve the crime for us? And then he's like,

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>come on, it's super clear these are the faces of

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the guys he's gonna kill next, and Stabler says, why

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 2>don't you put it down before you can daminate more evidence,

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>And then to respond to that, he's like, well, one

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>of these people look like Live and it does. It

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>straight up looks like Live and had her homecoming. Is

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>it Live or is it not? I don't know, I

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.879
<v Speaker 2>can't tell. It looks like Live dresses a beauty queen.

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's like a look alike, but I don't,

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, but it does look like her. Stabler grabs

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:48.040
<v Speaker 2>him and says, you're in an obnoxious little jack hole,

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and Craigan tells Stabler to let him go, and he does,

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and then Craigan's like, get out of here, and then

0:44:55.040 --> 0:44:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Stabler walks back to Live and then Stucky tells Craigan

0:44:57.840 --> 0:44:59.640
<v Speaker 2>that Stabler assaulted him and that he has to write

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 2>him up, and it's like, don't tell Craigan what to do.

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 2>He's just such a fucking piece of shit. Craigan's I mean,

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>he has like the vibes of like freedom of speech. Man,

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, if you run your mouth you might

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>get hit, you know what I mean. Like it's someone

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 2>that just is not into any consequences at all. Craigan says,

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the only one getting a rip around here is you Dale.

0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Stucky persists like he accosted me, and Craigan's like, Babe,

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing paperwork, please leave, and Stucky is sent

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Benson interrupts and he's like, oh my god, listen to this.

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>And on the phone we hear the defense attorney going,

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I know you're angry, please calm down. So he's obviously

0:45:36.160 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>in the office trying to hurt her, and she's smart

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 2>and she calls undercover and you hear her going, I'm

0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:44.360
<v Speaker 2>your friend. So now we're in person at the office

0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:47.799
<v Speaker 2>and Benson and Stabler are you know, hiding sneaking in,

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:50.760
<v Speaker 2>and Peter is yelling at her like I can't trust anyone.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:51.799
<v Speaker 3>People are following me.

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't see them, but I know they're there, And

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Stabler and Benson are watching in and they pushed in

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 2>as he talks about mind control, and she's yelling, no, Peter,

0:46:00.960 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and she says he was thrown off by the paper

0:46:03.800 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 2>with his face that says madman on the loose, which

0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I think would get anyone kind of stressed out, you

0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean.

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, no one would love that.

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 2>And Benson's like, well tomorrow we'll say the city is

0:46:13.600 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>safe again, and it's like until next week's episode, honey.

0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>So Zimmer, though she's conflicted. She like, you know, did

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:22.520
<v Speaker 2>she do the right thing as a lawyer, But you

0:46:22.600 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 2>had to sell. You had to help yourself, babe. He

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>yils Trader and says you'll pay, and Stabler walks him

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:30.560
<v Speaker 2>off cuffed. Stabler puts him in the back seat, and

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:32.879
<v Speaker 2>Zimmer's like, I'll meet you at the precinct. But when

0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 2>she gets into her car, it starts filling with gas

0:46:35.200 --> 0:46:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's hissing gas and the doors are locked. She

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 2>can't get out and she's coughing, honking trying to get help.

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 2>The detectives run back to help her, and Peter's in

0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the back seat groaning and says I tried to warn her,

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and Stabler finally bashes the glass open in Julia's car

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 2>to help get her out, but it's too late. She's

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:56.080
<v Speaker 2>already dead, and Peter screams death to all betrayers. So

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 2>then back Up arrives and Stabler passes Peter off and says,

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>take zombie boy with you. Zimmer gets moved onto a

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 2>stretcher as O'Halloran approaches the detectives to gossip about science.

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 1>But she is dead as hell. Like she gets moved

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and she is dead like it's shocking. It's like at

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 1>the top of the act, next act and you're like, oh,

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess she didn't make it, Like I was shocked.

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh I thought you. I thought we knew she was

0:47:20.719 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 1>dead on arrival when that gas just I just.

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:24.239
<v Speaker 3>Don't know how quick gas works.

0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I always thought they broke the window, like when I

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>when I watched this for the first time, I was

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>definitely like, well they got around. I'm sure she's just

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>passed out and she'll just cough and come back to life.

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>But no, Yeah, I guess sometimes we forget we've seen

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 2>these eight hundred times.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:40.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>So the car turned into a gas chamber basically, and

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>then in the little mirror flap in the front seat,

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.040
<v Speaker 2>it says guilty, so he must have rigged the car

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Before going up to talk to her. Ryan says he'll

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>take the car to the lab and haula with anything

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 2>in my Heather Thompson, but he'll let them know if

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 2>he finds anything. So then they're like, fuck, what about

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:02.919
<v Speaker 2>the other friends that betrayed him? What if he left

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.440
<v Speaker 2>surprises for them too? So they go pick up all

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>their all the helpers that they've talked about the case with,

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and the professor is safe and Gwendolen is there, but

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>she's so pissed at Munch she won't even look at him.

0:48:13.440 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 2>And then she slaps Munch across the face and says,

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 2>you are nothing to me, John Nothing, and then throws

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 2>her cup filled with liquid as he walks off. And

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 2>then finj just says, clean up an aisle three, And

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like he won't even be like, are you okay? Yeah,

0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.000
<v Speaker 2>you're good friends, you've known each other for years, maybe

0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 2>your work friends, but you, like a woman just slapped him,

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 2>you can't be like you good?

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And also you like used a personal relationship to help

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 1>this case, and you know that might have been tough

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 1>for you. I was the water throwing looks improvised to me.

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd be really interested to ask Carol Kane if she

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>just like it seems like she just picked it up

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and like threw it like because not enough hits him.

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't know.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I really love that, but I also did really quickly

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:00.440
<v Speaker 1>want to circle back.

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 3>On the wiki of the fandom for SVU, Munch.

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Is listed as having four ex wives, Gwen Munch, Billy

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Lou Hatfield, Felicia Munch, and then unnamed ex wife, which

0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I love.

0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 3>I thought there was one three. I didn't know there

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 3>was four. This says unnamed ex wife. It's totally possible.

0:49:20.640 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 1>When he talked about unnamed ex wife, he was talking

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>about Felicia or Gwen or Billy Lou. I don't remember

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the talking about Billy Lou. But I you know, I

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>never got I never did a deep dive into Munch's

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 1>personal relationship.

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.680
<v Speaker 2>But we gotta get Munch. What's what's been stopping us.

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.400
<v Speaker 2>We gotta get money. Yeah, I have lived in Paris.

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Let's get his ass. Let's get his ass. We'll get

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.480
<v Speaker 2>high on zoom and we'll ask him about all his

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>ex wives and all the bars that he's wanted to open. Yes,

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 2>so they haven't found any other traps in any of

0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the people's houses that they have like gone to find

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, fuck, I feel bad for Gwendolen and

0:49:56.480 --> 0:49:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Munch is like why because she was married to me,

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, no, the nightmare in her brain, like

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:04.600
<v Speaker 2>she's trapped in there. And Finn goes, well, you don't

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.960
<v Speaker 2>have any sympathy like that for Peter, and she says, well,

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't kill everyone that looked at him wrong,

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>then yeah, I would also have empathy for him, being like,

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, the nightmare that is in your brain. So

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 2>then Stabler tells everyone Ryan wants to bug them and

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>while hanging up the phone. So, I don't know exactly

0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.040
<v Speaker 2>what that means, but we will find out. So the

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>scoop is there was a mosquito found in the car

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and the mosquito's blood, so the mosquito's belly is filled

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:32.760
<v Speaker 2>with blood and we can get DNA from the blood

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:33.800
<v Speaker 2>in the mosquito belly.

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm shocked.

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's how they did Jurassic Park. Oh yeah,

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>the whole premise of Jurassic Park is that they found

0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>dinosaur blood in the in the in the fucking mosquitoes

0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and rebred dinosaurs.

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:52.320
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I don't watch Jurassic Maybe.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll watch it again. Maybe it'll really I've only ever

0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>seen the first one. I've never seen another one. I'm

0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 1>not in the Jurassic universe like our old pal Stephen Morris.

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 1>But like, yeah, I don't I don't know. I just

0:51:02.600 --> 0:51:05.280
<v Speaker 1>know that from the first one, life finds a way,

0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 2>But maybe I should watch it again because even you know,

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm recording now from our friend Julia's house and they're

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 2>big Jurassic Park house.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Oh they're j heads. Okay, yeah they are, but I

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know why. It never like tickled me in that way.

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, this gas to death bug is going to

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:27.399
<v Speaker 2>be their star witness and we're gonna nail him from

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 2>a bug. And Ryan says that cops in Finland did

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:33.200
<v Speaker 2>it recently and then and Jurassic Park. So but they

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>also found a message in the car that says one down,

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.040
<v Speaker 2>three to go, So who is next? Who is next?

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Who needs revenge? And then they're like, oh, fuck Judith Light.

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So they run to help Judith Light and she's pissed

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 2>that he would ever even think to come after her,

0:51:48.200 --> 0:51:51.399
<v Speaker 2>and Ryan says, bomb squad says, it's clear. Stucky comes

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.560
<v Speaker 2>in to say, we also checked the HVAC to make

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.280
<v Speaker 2>sure he didn't fuck with the air. And Ryan is like, Stucky,

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 2>put everything back where you found it, and I'm going

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 2>to check out the bug. And Sucky's like, oh cool,

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 2>like a listening device, and Benson's like, no, Mosquito's blood.

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.520
<v Speaker 2>And then they all disperse, and Benson and Stabar are like, Babe, Judy,

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>you gotta go to the hotel and she says she

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.520
<v Speaker 2>doesn't run, and Benson's like, I get it, but what

0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 2>about room service?

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<v Speaker 3>How about the Waldorf? And excuse me, who's paying for this?

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, is there a fund for judges that need to

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:22.760
<v Speaker 1>go in hiding because they won't just go to a motel.

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.359
<v Speaker 1>We've got to have a Waldorf fund for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, not even yeah, the Waldorf, But I want

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to know in terms of like four seasons, the Ritz

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and the Waldorf, like where they all lie in terms

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:39.399
<v Speaker 2>of the top notch. Like I know they're all five star,

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:43.400
<v Speaker 2>but I wonder if I don't know that's a fancy.

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 2>If you're one of our richer listeners and you've stayed

0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 2>at all those hotels, please message us and rank them.

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to know.

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel like a lot of successful working comedians are

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:58.040
<v Speaker 2>out of four seasons, but I also wonder if there's

0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:01.400
<v Speaker 2>just tons of four seasons where people are going always curious.

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, Judith Light says, my house is safe, and

0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:06.080
<v Speaker 2>then she sits down and all of a sudden she

0:53:06.160 --> 0:53:09.800
<v Speaker 2>screams in pain. Something stuck her fuck and she passes

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:12.959
<v Speaker 2>out into Stabler's arm, and she says, I don't feel good.

0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Benson picks up a full syringe. Was that in the cushion? Like,

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:21.080
<v Speaker 2>how does the syringe in a chair sit up? And like, ready,

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that's a great question.

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Great I wonder the same thing because she had to

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:28.640
<v Speaker 1>have sat on it in a way that it depressed

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.360
<v Speaker 1>perfectly to give her the full dose, as they say,

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And like, I don't know how that happens, but whatever,

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.319
<v Speaker 1>suspension of disbelief, I'm just glad she gets carried out

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 1>by Stabler since she's so horny for him.

0:53:39.040 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 3>But I just hope she's not gonna die.

0:53:40.760 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 2>And Mercy Hospital is six blocks away, so they rush

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 2>her to the hospital. She's coating and they wheel her off.

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Benson and Stabler breathe deep as she's scurried away on

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a stretcher. Time passes and she'll be okay. And we

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.439
<v Speaker 2>find out that potassium chloride was in there and that's

0:53:56.520 --> 0:54:00.400
<v Speaker 2>used in lethal injections. Stabler calls Craig into fill him

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>in that our baby girl is safe, and he tells

0:54:02.719 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>him o'haleran wants them in the lab. So Benson sent

0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Stabler off and she's gonna stay with the judge for

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>a bit. And holy shit, the DNA match is like

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>blinking on a computer at the lab. And in that moment,

0:54:13.680 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 2>a knife goes into Ryan o'haleran and he drops down

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:21.320
<v Speaker 2>in pain. He's bleeding and choking and struggling to breathe

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.319
<v Speaker 2>with a knife sticking straight out of his chest and

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 2>we lose him.

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 3>Our hottie is dead, Stanley wives what. I don't know.

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 3>We knew that then, I didn't know we knew it

0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 3>at this point yet. But he is dead.

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 2>It's so fucked up, yeah, because he's like and then

0:54:39.040 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 2>once you like, yeah, lean your head to the side,

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:42.879
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're dead.

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:44.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the that's a man.

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:47.799
<v Speaker 2>And it's like it's just such a fucking plunge right

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:48.439
<v Speaker 2>into the heart.

0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 3>It's not like, yeah, yeah, our baby is dead.

0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>So sad to see such hotness be stuff be snuffed out,

0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 1>and in that moment, Stabler walks in looking for him

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and then sees the computer and the DNA match is drum.

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Roll Stucky fuck bing bang bong, and then he sees

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the legs of dead Ryan o'hallar and in that moment

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.719
<v Speaker 2>he gets whacked in the head by a fire extinguish shirt,

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 2>not the first time in the show Stucky is a psycho.

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 2>He leans over Stabler and grabs the gun, and in

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 2>that moment, his cell phone starts ringing, so Stucky answers

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Elliot's phone and it's Benson. He's like, hey live and

0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson shocked to hear Dale's voice and he is like,

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:29.040
<v Speaker 2>where the fuck is Stabler? And he says, oh him

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and Ryan went out for a bite to eat. He

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>left his phone on the table. What a dummy, right,

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, what I thought you were meeting up

0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:38.600
<v Speaker 2>for DNA and Stucky goes, well, the DNA hasn't popped

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:39.120
<v Speaker 2>off yet.

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 3>And that's a direct quote. Usually I add a lot

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:42.520
<v Speaker 3>of flare that he.

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Said popped off, like that is him or I'm joking

0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 2>And I wrote that as a joke.

0:55:47.080 --> 0:55:51.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember anymore. I think he says hasn't popped yet. Okay,

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:53.160
<v Speaker 3>you may have added the off.

0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.760
<v Speaker 1>You and Stucky's powers combined created this sentence.

0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 2>So he goes, so, yeah, so they just stepped out

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 2>for a quick soushe and we'll be back and tell

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 2>him I called, and then they hang up.

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 3>So Stucky is wet with excitement.

0:56:05.680 --> 0:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>He pulls Stabler by his legs and tapes him to

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.399
<v Speaker 2>a chair and tapes his mouth shut. As Sabler comes

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.359
<v Speaker 2>to Stucky's there, being like, you're surprised, right, You didn't

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:14.320
<v Speaker 2>think I could do anything?

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Huh?

0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>And he peels the tape off his mouth and Stabler's like,

0:56:17.080 --> 0:56:17.799
<v Speaker 2>what have you done?

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Suck?

0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>He's like, okay, big time detective. You can't figure it out.

0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 2>And he pulls the knife out of Ryan's body and

0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 2>is finally hitting Stabler, like what is happening? And he goes, fuck,

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you try to kill Judge and you gass Zimmer And

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:32.919
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, I killed Ryan now too, and now

0:56:32.960 --> 0:56:35.680
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna die you ready, And he starts cutting him

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:38.120
<v Speaker 2>and blood is squirting, and he said you shouldn't have

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:38.799
<v Speaker 2>been mean to me.

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:39.880
<v Speaker 3>What a child?

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:45.720
<v Speaker 2>He goes, you always made fun of me. Men ha

0:56:45.480 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 2>ha he says he was trying to help Peter is

0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 2>a bad man and should be in jail, Like, sure,

0:56:50.920 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I screwed up a little bit, and Stabler's like, you

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 2>just killed the girl and stuck. He's like, yeah, but

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:57.719
<v Speaker 2>I did it so we could get Peter. I'm a

0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.560
<v Speaker 2>hero and Stabler is like, Harrison is in jail, You're

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to push this on him.

0:57:02.480 --> 0:57:04.520
<v Speaker 2>But he has a plane to frame one of his

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 2>paranoid pals and there will be nothing to link me

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 2>to any of this as soon as I get rid

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 2>of that mosquito. And Stabler is like, what makes you

0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:14.240
<v Speaker 2>think like we got nothing else on you? All killers

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 2>leave something behind and he says, no, I'm not stupid.

0:57:17.280 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 2>You all think I'm stupid, and Stabler's like, well, you're

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.080
<v Speaker 2>killing everyone who hurts your feelings, so I don't know,

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:25.600
<v Speaker 2>like you suck, And Stucky grabs him and says, you

0:57:25.640 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>know what, I've been a very little busy zebra. Haven't

0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I drink everyone? And he puts the tape back over

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's mouth and he starts cutting Stabler again and calls

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>him stupid again, and then Live walks in, calling for Elliott.

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>Fuck Benson sees Stabler tied up and runs toward him,

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:46.160
<v Speaker 2>and then she sees dead Ryan as Stucky screams, don't

0:57:46.200 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 2>move with a gun pointed at her back. He makes

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 2>her put her gun down and she does, and she's

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:54.280
<v Speaker 2>wearing a leather jacket, looking sexy as always, and Stucky's like,

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:55.960
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing here? I didn't want to hurt you,

0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:59.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, then, don't e looel and he says

0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:02.360
<v Speaker 2>it's too late though, and you've seen too much and

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 2>she's like, can we all just calm down and relax,

0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 2>like you did good, real good? And he's confused, like what,

0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 2>so she goes, well, I mean, I think it's really

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:13.240
<v Speaker 2>clear what happened here. One of Harrison's crazy followers got

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.400
<v Speaker 2>in here, and you just found the body is and

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:18.440
<v Speaker 2>secured the crime scene and called me right, And Stucky's

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:21.320
<v Speaker 2>like what really, and she's like, yeah, that's what I'll

0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.720
<v Speaker 2>tell Craigan and you can finangle the forensics. And then

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 2>she's like and then it'll be like SVU hero is

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 2>killed in the line of duty.

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 3>It's perfect.

0:58:29.880 --> 0:58:33.040
<v Speaker 2>And Benson's acting a little crazy and Stucky's like, you're lying,

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.920
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, you think you're the only one who

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 2>is living a hell because of this prick. And she

0:58:39.280 --> 0:58:41.880
<v Speaker 2>walks to Stabler and starts slapping him in the face

0:58:42.000 --> 0:58:45.800
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, quoting Stabler live do this, live, do that.

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm sick of it, sick of it. I want to

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:50.360
<v Speaker 2>hear him scream. And then she rips off the tape

0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 2>off his face and they start going back and forth,

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and Stucky yells, both of you shut up, and he

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:58.680
<v Speaker 2>says hit him again, and Stabler says, don't you do it, bitch,

0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>and she hits him and Stucky doesn't believe her. She

0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 2>then says, if you knew half of what this prick

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 2>has done, somebody needs to take him out. And she

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:10.640
<v Speaker 2>turns around to him like so turned on and is

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:13.120
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't know anybody else felt this way, and

0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>that you would be the one to fucking be able

0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:17.760
<v Speaker 2>to do this, and stable the yells don't listen to her,

0:59:17.960 --> 0:59:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and Benson and Stucky both yells shut up, and then

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Stucky charges Elliott and hits him really hard again, and

0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Benson says, once the son of a bitch is dead,

0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to need a new partner, and he's like, well,

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 2>what about Craigan and Maris go's like, oh, come on,

0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:32.280
<v Speaker 2>I have him wrapped around my little finger, and Finn

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>and Munch they all do whatever the fuck I say.

0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm so hot. She goes, dale, if I say the

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.320
<v Speaker 3>word you're it and the word.

0:59:39.160 --> 0:59:43.120
<v Speaker 1>You become instead of a CSU person a detective on

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 1>New York and MYPD like, it's so crazy, and Stucky

0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:50.440
<v Speaker 1>is crying and thinking about it, and he does like

0:59:50.480 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 1>the sound of it, and she's like, yeah, we can.

0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, we get each other.

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:58.360
<v Speaker 2>We're connected, We're so connected, she says again. He says, well, finally,

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 2>let's get the third wheel out. And you know, she

1:00:00.560 --> 1:00:04.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually want Stabler to die, so she's like, wait, wait, wait,

1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:06.439
<v Speaker 2>I want him to watch and he's like watch what

1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:09.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, watch this and she looks down at

1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:12.080
<v Speaker 2>his lips, seduces his ass, and they kiss, and as

1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:14.520
<v Speaker 2>they kiss, she opens her eyes and stares at Stabler,

1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:18.080
<v Speaker 2>and in that moment, Stabler kicks Stucky from behind into

1:00:18.120 --> 1:00:20.920
<v Speaker 2>his balls and he crouches in pain, and then Benson

1:00:21.000 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 2>elbows him in the face and takes the gun. She

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:25.919
<v Speaker 2>cuts open the tape on Stabler and you know he's

1:00:25.960 --> 1:00:27.720
<v Speaker 2>gonna be okay, Everything's gonna be fine.

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.120
<v Speaker 3>He's like, how did you know? And she's like, well, stuck.

1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:32.760
<v Speaker 2>He said, you went to get sushi, you and raw fish,

1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 2>And then Stabler laughs. I'm glad he's like fully bleeding

1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.120
<v Speaker 2>from his abdomen and has time to giggle a little bit.

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 2>And we've talked about this, what would be our sushi?

1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:46.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, like how would you what would we know? Yeah,

1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:49.320
<v Speaker 2>and you're a vegetarian, but like you would go to

1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.680
<v Speaker 2>a steakhouse with a friend, like you would order something.

1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:52.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:54.560
<v Speaker 1>But if if somebody said, like, oh, she just ran

1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:56.640
<v Speaker 1>out to grab like a pulled pork sandwich, you'd be

1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like what you know? Because even when I ate meat

1:00:59.440 --> 1:01:03.440
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't like thing I would have sandwich. Yeah, So

1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:08.760
<v Speaker 1>minus pull pork sandwich, yours would be I know you

1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:11.800
<v Speaker 1>don't like stuff. Yeah, but it's olives, Like I guess's

1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:13.000
<v Speaker 1>at to go get it? She went out to go

1:01:13.040 --> 1:01:15.320
<v Speaker 1>get a bunch of olives for martinis or something.

1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:18.960
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I don't really eat Indian food often,

1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:20.880
<v Speaker 2>but I've had it like four or five times at

1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.320
<v Speaker 2>a restaurant with friends, so like, yeah, I don't know,

1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I've had some most set like that's the thing. Like,

1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:28.160
<v Speaker 2>even if I'm not down for something, if someone's like,

1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:30.120
<v Speaker 2>let's go eat here, it's like, helly, yeah, let's do.

1:01:30.120 --> 1:01:34.120
<v Speaker 3>It right, it would be tough to get that. So

1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:35.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think, like what figure it out?

1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, if someone said we went out for mushrooms, that

1:01:38.240 --> 1:01:39.160
<v Speaker 2>would be us connected.

1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:45.160
<v Speaker 3>We both Yeah, our eggplant parmesan. I don't know. I

1:01:45.200 --> 1:01:46.919
<v Speaker 3>don't like that. Yeah, I don't either.

1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.240
<v Speaker 2>So if someone said, like Karen Liza went out for

1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:57.520
<v Speaker 2>egg plant and portobello mushroom sandwiches, call the cops, Call

1:01:57.640 --> 1:02:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the cops, Call the cops. Yeah, or outside of food,

1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:05.120
<v Speaker 2>what would I'm trying to think what where I would

1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:05.560
<v Speaker 2>never go?

1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:05.760
<v Speaker 6>Oh?

1:02:05.840 --> 1:02:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, someone said I was golfing.

1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I would Lisa is just out, you know, hitting a

1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 1>couple balls around, working the back nine or whatever they

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:15.840
<v Speaker 1>say in golf.

1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, so funny. Yeah, that would happen to me too.

1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you wouldn't golf, but your Connecticut would maybe do

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<v Speaker 2>a fork in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would Mini golf. If the if for ad Mini's

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<v Speaker 1>not in there, I've been kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they stand over Ryan and Stucky and Stabler

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<v Speaker 2>says what a way to end done, done, It's over

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<v Speaker 2>a bitch, it's stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Wolf, and it's like, what do you mean do you

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<v Speaker 1>mean what a way for O'Halloran's life to end, or

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<v Speaker 1>like what a way for this saga to end with Stucky?

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's it's one of the most insane episodes because

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, why did Stuck you have to kill so

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<v Speaker 1>many people? Like he didn't have to play a full

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<v Speaker 1>revenge spree.

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<v Speaker 3>We couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He could have just killed that girl under the boardwalk

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<v Speaker 1>and like with the thumb print, that would have been good,

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<v Speaker 1>killing his lawyer, going after a judge like yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, no, it's anyone that wronged him.

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<v Speaker 2>So the defense attorney was like, couldn't have done it

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<v Speaker 2>without you, Stucky. So that's what made him want to

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<v Speaker 2>kill her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So basically Stuck he's going on his own

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<v Speaker 1>revenge spree. I thought it was more he was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to frame Peter for his revenge spree.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it got too late that it was like

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<v Speaker 2>classic where anyone that humiliated him.

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<v Speaker 3>Had to die. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for someone to be like that but also have

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<v Speaker 1>this like ding Dang Dong dorcas personality, you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't trust anyone with a catchphrase.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's true, as we say, that's dick wolf baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me be and then we'll get into the fucking crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can all go pee too.

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<v Speaker 1>I get yeah, go take a quick pee and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. Okay. So obviously this episode is off

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<v Speaker 1>the walls bonkers, and there's not like a true.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no Stucky character.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say that the Peter Harrison character is

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<v Speaker 1>based off of a famous case of a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Goldstein who was diagnosed with schizophrenia as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in his teen years, and then in January, on January third,

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<v Speaker 1>which is my sister's birthday of nineteen ninety nine, at

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<v Speaker 1>age twenty nine, after failing to take his medication, he

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<v Speaker 1>pushed a thirty two year old aspiring writer, Kendra Webdale

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<v Speaker 1>off onto the subway tracks at twenty third Street station,

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<v Speaker 1>where she was killed by an oncoming endentrain. So Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Harrison was accused of attempting this, but this man Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Goldstein did this in real life. Was like a super

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<v Speaker 1>sad story that rocked New York and the entire nation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll get into the aftermath of it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kendra was like very well liked, really smart, well read.

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<v Speaker 1>She was from I think upstate New York, more like

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo area, and she like really always wanted to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the city.

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<v Speaker 3>She was well read.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like super disciplined, like would wake up early

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<v Speaker 1>to run and made friends really easily. Like everybody just

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<v Speaker 1>had great things to say about her. And she moved

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<v Speaker 1>to New York to make her dreams come true. She

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<v Speaker 1>loved the city. She'd lived there for three years. She

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to write a screenplay. She had done a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of journalism. She just wanted to write. And

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<v Speaker 1>her brother Ralph said she was the kind of person

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<v Speaker 1>who would have helped the kind of person who did

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<v Speaker 1>this end quote, which is so sad, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>her Her death really shook New York, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing in the late nineties. New York had been experiencing

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<v Speaker 1>plunging crime rates, and everyone was like, this just goes

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<v Speaker 1>to show you that you never know what can happen

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<v Speaker 1>when like someone's in the throes of madness or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't just New York.

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<v Speaker 1>This crime triggered a full nationwide debate about mental health

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<v Speaker 1>and don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>We still haven't done that much about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But records show that Andrew Goldstein had been voluntary harraly

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<v Speaker 1>hospitalized more than a dozen times before killing Kendra. In

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<v Speaker 1>the few years before he killed her, he'd like more

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<v Speaker 1>than a dozen times. His most recent stint had been

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<v Speaker 1>just six weeks earlier, and in the two years before

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<v Speaker 1>the attack, he had attacked physically with physical violence thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>other people, including two psychiatrists, a nurse, a social worker,

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<v Speaker 1>and a therapy aid. So every time he was hospitalized,

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<v Speaker 1>he was medicated and then was discharged and gone to

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<v Speaker 1>live and sent off to live by himself in this

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<v Speaker 1>basement apartment that he lived in. But he wanted help,

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<v Speaker 1>and social workers tried to That's why every time he

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<v Speaker 1>went to the hospital it was on his own volition,

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<v Speaker 1>like he went to the hospital for help. Social workers

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<v Speaker 1>tried to place him in state hospitals, state finance group homes,

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<v Speaker 1>single room occupancy hotels with counselors on staff or in

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<v Speaker 1>the and care of intensive case managers. But they constantly

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<v Speaker 1>butted heads with long waiting lists, and which was a

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<v Speaker 1>result of severe budget cuts under Governor George Pataki. So

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<v Speaker 1>after this attack happened, The New York Times wrote an

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<v Speaker 1>article that called Pataki out and it basically worked, and

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<v Speaker 1>Pataki put more money towards mental illness and signed off

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<v Speaker 1>on Kendra's law in November of nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh, I've heard about real. Yeah, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting law and it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny to me that the episode didn't bring it up,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they talked about a mental hygiene warrant, which we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about in the Nashaun Williams case about the man

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<v Speaker 1>who was, you know, allegedly spreading HIV wantonly, But like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Kendra's law would have been a perfect thing

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<v Speaker 1>to incorporate into this episode. And maybe it was just

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<v Speaker 1>too hard to explain or something. But it's a New

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<v Speaker 1>York state law about involuntary outpatient commitment, also known as

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<v Speaker 1>assisted outpatient treatment, which is known with abbreviation as AOT,

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<v Speaker 1>and it grants a judge the authority to issue orders

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<v Speaker 1>requiring people who meet certain criteria to regularly undergo psychiatric treatments.

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<v Speaker 1>When we say outpatient, that means they can live their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They just are assigned mental health services. They don't get

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<v Speaker 1>put into a place they can like be out out

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<v Speaker 1>patient obviously, so the patient has to be eighteen years

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<v Speaker 1>old suffering from mental illness, and a doctor has to

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<v Speaker 1>like certify that they're unlikely to survive safely in the

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<v Speaker 1>community without supervision. They can have a history of lack

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<v Speaker 1>of compliance with treatment, and at least twice in the

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<v Speaker 1>last thirty six months mental health had been a significant

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<v Speaker 1>factor in necessitating hospitalization, or they've had serious acts of

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<v Speaker 1>violence towards themself or others. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different caveats to this law, but you know that's the

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<v Speaker 1>general and a patient can be ordered to assist to

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<v Speaker 1>assisted out patient treatment for a maximum of twelventh period.

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<v Speaker 1>Failure to comply could result in commitment for seventy two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mandate that patients be forced to take medication,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no criminal penalty like if you have if

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<v Speaker 1>Kendrick's law. If it's like invoked on you and you

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<v Speaker 1>completely refuse, I guess they can commit you for seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two hours, but then you don't go to jail or

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<v Speaker 1>something for not doing it. And research has shown that

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<v Speaker 1>the program is mostly effective. Apparently, this law was originally

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<v Speaker 1>proposed by members of NAMI, the National Alliance of Mental Illness,

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<v Speaker 1>which we have featured in our what was the ster

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<v Speaker 1>Pegs segment before. So they were concerned that most of

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<v Speaker 1>the laws were about preventing individuals with serious mental illness

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<v Speaker 1>from receiving care until after they became dangerous to themselves

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<v Speaker 1>or others. And they saw that outpatient commitment could have

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<v Speaker 1>been could be a less expensive, less restrictive, and more

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<v Speaker 1>humane alternative to inpatient commitment. There's a Duke professor of

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatry and behavioral science who's run a lot of studies

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<v Speaker 1>on this called Marvin Schwartz. Is it so Schwartz with

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<v Speaker 1>no age anyway, Schwartz or Swarts And he says he

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<v Speaker 1>said that one, it not only compels the patient, but

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<v Speaker 1>it compels the government to do its part like housing, supervision, rehab,

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<v Speaker 1>Kendrick's law, patients get to the head of the line.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second thing it does is that by involving

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<v Speaker 1>the courts, it makes everyone the patient, the government, and

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<v Speaker 1>the families of the of the patient take treatment more seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I believe that it's worked well and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>reduced hospitalizations, reduced you know, criminal charges and stuff with people.

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<v Speaker 1>But it has been criticized for being under used and underfunded.

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<v Speaker 1>At least forty seven states now have some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>program spawned off of Kendra's Law, something that is AOT,

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<v Speaker 1>but only New York mandates it as a as a

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<v Speaker 1>state policy.

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<v Speaker 3>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, Oh, I wonder what the three states

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<v Speaker 1>are that don't have it. It's Massachusetts, Maryland, and my

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<v Speaker 1>home state of Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they don't have this because it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a much more I don't know, like integrated

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<v Speaker 1>and like dynamic way to handle someone that is a

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<v Speaker 1>danger to themselves or others because of mental illness. So

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<v Speaker 1>and again, I am researching this off of like articles.

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<v Speaker 1>I only have a certain amount of time to get

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<v Speaker 1>this into the podcast. If you're like a mental health

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<v Speaker 1>professional and you are like, fuck Kendra's Law, please write

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<v Speaker 1>to me, but come to me with calmness, because I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a psychi or a mental health professional. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just going off of what I've read that it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the treatment of these programs have been known to

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<v Speaker 1>reduce patient's risk of hospitalization, suicide, and violence. Other pros

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<v Speaker 1>for people that are four Candra's Laws say that it

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<v Speaker 1>incentivizes mentally ill people to stay in treatment, but others

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<v Speaker 1>say that it drags them through a legal system after

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<v Speaker 1>the healthcare system has failed them. And critics of the

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<v Speaker 1>law also point out that there's a racial bias sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>with because in two thousand and five, when The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times reported on this, a group called the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Lawyers for the Public Interest found that black people

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<v Speaker 1>were nearly five times as likely to have Candra's Law

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<v Speaker 1>invoked on them as opposed to white people, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the lawyers for this group, a senior litigator for

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<v Speaker 1>this group named Johnny Grisham, said, quote, it's important to

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<v Speaker 1>know if our mental health policy is disproportionately taking away

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom of groups who have been historically been oppressed

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<v Speaker 1>end quote.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is important.

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<v Speaker 1>But because his group's study found that in about three

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred and fifty eight orders for treatment under Kendra's Law,

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<v Speaker 1>forty two percent were black, but they only make up

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen percent of the New York State population, while thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four percent were white and they make up sixty two percent.

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<v Speaker 3>So a spokesperson for the state's Office of.

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<v Speaker 1>Mental Health said, her name is Jill Daniels, and she

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<v Speaker 1>had a semen that says it's misleading to compare the

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<v Speaker 1>race and ethnicity of those being treated under Kendra's law

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<v Speaker 1>with the race and ethnicity of the general population. The

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<v Speaker 1>law is used a lot more in urban populations, and

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<v Speaker 1>like that's more the proportions are more similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>adults that are receiving intensive care in those urban areas.

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<v Speaker 3>And another argument is that.

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<v Speaker 1>Black and Latino populations with mental illness might not have

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<v Speaker 1>access to care at the onset of mental illness, which

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<v Speaker 1>makes them more likely to end up in crisis that

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<v Speaker 1>needs intervention. So these are just things I'm reading to

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<v Speaker 1>try to present the pros and cons. Gresham and his

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<v Speaker 1>group don't want to eliminate the law. They just want

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<v Speaker 1>to remove the part about compulsory treatment but keep the

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<v Speaker 1>part about offering better.

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<v Speaker 3>Access to help mental health services.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the argument for that is that that would

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<v Speaker 1>like just hobble the law completely, like it wouldn't really

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot Like most people are that are in

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<v Speaker 1>the throes of a mental illness, that mental health event

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to agree to this treatment. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the lowdown on Kendro's law. To get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>man who did this crime, After two trials and a

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<v Speaker 1>plea bargain, Andrew Goldstein was sentenced to twenty three years

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<v Speaker 1>in prison. One of the judges that presided over his case,

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of the longest standing judges in New York

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<v Speaker 1>and actually just retired I think a.

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<v Speaker 3>Few years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Carol Berkman said of this case, quote, I have

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt that someday, probably after we are all gone,

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<v Speaker 1>people will look back at our treatment of mental illness

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<v Speaker 1>under the law and be shocked and appalled.

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<v Speaker 3>End quote. So yeah, as of.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty eighteen, there were four hundred thousand people incarcerated with

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<v Speaker 1>mental illness, and unfortunately, like it's a cliche to say

1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:55.599
<v Speaker 1>that prisons have become our mental institutions, but it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And Andrew Goldstein in twenty eighteen gave a very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>interview with New York Magazine.

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<v Speaker 3>It was written by two people.

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<v Speaker 1>One person is an inmate at Sing Sing with him,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other person is like a different writer for

1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:13.040
<v Speaker 1>New York Magazine, and they wrote this together, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought it was really cool the way this guy

1:14:15.120 --> 1:14:17.519
<v Speaker 1>was like talking about why he was in jail versus

1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:21.000
<v Speaker 1>why this guy's in jail, and like or prison, excuse me,

1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:24.599
<v Speaker 1>and like, just he was able to interview him, like

1:14:24.760 --> 1:14:29.880
<v Speaker 1>in the facility. So anyway, this article is really really interesting,

1:14:29.960 --> 1:14:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and he showed in. So this interview takes place in

1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:35.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, so almost twenty years after the crime has

1:14:35.760 --> 1:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>taken place, and Andrew's been in jail the entire time.

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<v Speaker 1>And they show him a picture of Kendra and he says, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>it stirs my emotions.

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<v Speaker 3>A perfect woman. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. To destroy a perfect life like that

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<v Speaker 1>is a horrible thing. I don't know why I did that. Obviously,

1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:56.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, mental illness. He had no knowledge of his crime,

1:14:57.600 --> 1:15:01.040
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting because the prosecution in the case tried

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, they want to win. They want to

1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:06.519
<v Speaker 1>win cases. Him pleading not guilty by reason of mental

1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:08.519
<v Speaker 1>disease or defect puts him in a mental institution. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't count towards their conviction rate. So he ended up

1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:16.920
<v Speaker 1>pleading guilty to manslaughter. I think, and was like, so

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<v Speaker 1>he knew he'd be able to get out one day,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas the other way, he probably would have been in

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<v Speaker 1>a mental institution for most of his adult life or

1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:25.800
<v Speaker 1>living like the remainder of his life. And so they

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<v Speaker 1>tried to paint this picture of Andrew as this guy

1:15:28.720 --> 1:15:31.960
<v Speaker 1>whose mental illness was pretty mild, and he hated women

1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and he wanted to harm them for revenge. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>when this guy talks to Andrew, he's like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even like a sexual person. I've literally had two interactions

1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.439
<v Speaker 1>with women that he can even recall, Like and one

1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:45.920
<v Speaker 1>was like his friend's girlfriend who was an exotic dancer.

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<v Speaker 3>He like let her.

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<v Speaker 1>His friend was like, go have some fun with my girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, I felt her boobs.

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<v Speaker 3>That was it. Like he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like this was like motivated at all

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<v Speaker 1>by in cell behavior. This was a guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>having a full psychotic break and was off of his medication.

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<v Speaker 1>He said he was still a virgin in prison at

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight years old. So even he entered prison at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine, and he had zero violent misbehavior reports in

1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:12.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen years of prison, so he was not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when he's on his schedule and on his medication, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a non violent person. So Andrew Goldstein did get time

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<v Speaker 1>off for good behavior and was released in September of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen at forty nine years old, and the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times had an interesting quote where they said that

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<v Speaker 1>he quote walked out of prison and into a mental

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<v Speaker 1>health system that has been heavily influenced by his crime

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<v Speaker 1>end quote. Like he got out of prison and he

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<v Speaker 1>was being considered for the Kendrick's Law programs right out

1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:40.240
<v Speaker 1>of jail because even though he hadn't committed any even

1:16:40.320 --> 1:16:43.360
<v Speaker 1>right violent crimes recently, Like he probably needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>under some kind of state mandated supervision.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't find.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything about what he's doing right now, obviously, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think anyone's like, but you know, hopefully he's staying on

1:16:53.080 --> 1:16:55.880
<v Speaker 1>his medication and you know, he's served his time. And

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<v Speaker 1>in February of twenty twenty one, Governor Cuomo suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>we should expand Kendra's Law because there was an uptick

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<v Speaker 1>of violent crime by people with untreated mental illness in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. But I'm like also, like, yeah, that

1:17:07.520 --> 1:17:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was also the heart of the pandemic. Like I'm sure

1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:12.439
<v Speaker 1>shit was going crazy. But the current New York Governor,

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy hokeel ZAYI say her name Hockel, She's going to

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<v Speaker 1>expand the law and is looking to reform it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that most people if you look online,

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<v Speaker 1>the people that our four Kendras law seem to be

1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.080
<v Speaker 1>more than people that are against it. And even the

1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:29.479
<v Speaker 1>people that are against it don't want to like get

1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:31.080
<v Speaker 1>rid of it, they just want to change it. So

1:17:32.000 --> 1:17:35.240
<v Speaker 1>a horrible tragedy something I've totally thought of. Like I

1:17:35.280 --> 1:17:37.720
<v Speaker 1>step back every time a train comes. I always am

1:17:37.720 --> 1:17:40.519
<v Speaker 1>looking for if anyone's behind me, Like I it's horrible,

1:17:40.520 --> 1:17:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's happened many times in New York. I mean,

1:17:43.720 --> 1:17:45.479
<v Speaker 1>people have been pushed in front of the tracks, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, a few over a dozen times a

1:17:47.840 --> 1:17:50.160
<v Speaker 1>year it happens, and a lot of times is by

1:17:50.320 --> 1:17:56.080
<v Speaker 1>people with them, you know, mental health issues. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just glad that this seems to be working for some people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because like I was reading some article.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know the article in.

1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:08.000
<v Speaker 1>New York magazine, like it's in the show notes, like,

1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:11.519
<v Speaker 1>but it's so worth reading. It's really interesting. And they

1:18:11.560 --> 1:18:14.120
<v Speaker 1>talk to one guy I forget. He's just kind of

1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:17.080
<v Speaker 1>a person who's taken this up as like a personal

1:18:17.960 --> 1:18:20.519
<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like when we talk about mental illness,

1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:24.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's anything from depression. To someone like Andrew Goldstein,

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<v Speaker 1>who has murderous tendencies. And it's like when you bank,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put everybody under this mental health, mental health umbrella,

1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:34.880
<v Speaker 1>then sometimes it feels like the most people who need

1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:38.439
<v Speaker 1>the most help get lost. And I think that's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of what Kendra's Law is trying to be like a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a safety net that grabs people like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is as far as I can tell all

1:18:47.520 --> 1:18:50.639
<v Speaker 1>that we have in common with Zebras the I would

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<v Speaker 1>say the most insane episode of the entire series.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll go with it.

1:18:55.360 --> 1:18:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Even Wildlife's a little more grounded, and that's like a

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<v Speaker 2>monkey calming out of a basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm sure that's all like real details from

1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:07.120
<v Speaker 1>actual animal smuggling. I mean, has a CSU tech ever

1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:11.160
<v Speaker 1>gone completely fucking postal and killed a bunch of people

1:19:11.360 --> 1:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>to a frame an actual murderer but also get his

1:19:15.680 --> 1:19:17.760
<v Speaker 1>own revenge out on people like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great, It's it's nuts. Uh.

1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:23.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, wouldn't you love to know Sucky doesn't die?

1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't you love to see what stuck he's like in

1:19:25.800 --> 1:19:29.400
<v Speaker 1>jail he's getting Oh that's actually making me sad. Stuck

1:19:29.439 --> 1:19:32.840
<v Speaker 1>he's not been a good time in prison? Sure, or

1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:38.040
<v Speaker 1>they like that he killed police people. Oh so maybe

1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he becomes like a little leader there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would actually love Like, you know, sometimes they

1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:46.840
<v Speaker 2>have to go to former con artists or criminals to

1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:50.640
<v Speaker 2>help like crist present day criminals. I would love a

1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Stucky return from prison helping them on a case, Like

1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:55.120
<v Speaker 2>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be so okay sucky.

1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:00.400
<v Speaker 1>So when you were planning evidence and going through a complete.

1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Crazy we hate him and stuff, but now I want

1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:04.080
<v Speaker 2>him back.

1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'd love to know what kind of like

1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:12.240
<v Speaker 1>little gang he's running in prison, the Big Bang Bong Crew.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't go anywhere, because we have thrilling guests. Thrill

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<v Speaker 1>be happy, guys. Our guest today is an SVU favorite

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<v Speaker 1>who I believe has appeared in the most episodes of

1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:37.000
<v Speaker 1>anyone who is not a full time cast member aside

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<v Speaker 1>from a child.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we love this We love this actor.

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<v Speaker 1>He can be seen in other films like The Invitation

1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:46.799
<v Speaker 1>and Rabbit Hole, and he wrote and directed the comedy

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<v Speaker 1>Almost Love. But you know him as dearly departed forensics

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<v Speaker 1>technician Ryan O'Halleran. Please enjoy our conversation with the very

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<v Speaker 1>talented Mike Doyle.

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<v Speaker 3>We so much for being here. We're really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>This a big sv you get for us as you

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<v Speaker 1>are a huge well you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are, and Kara found that you have a record.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're the number one most well, you're the number

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<v Speaker 1>two most recurring character on the show besides Noah Porter Benson.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that counts because that's three different actors.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, including twins.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't realize that held that distinction, but that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Fifty three episode wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fifty two as as O'Halloran, which I wanted to ask, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did this how did your SVU journey like kickoff?

1:21:33.760 --> 1:21:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Because you were originally on season three in this episode

1:21:36.320 --> 1:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>called Prodigy, where you are by the way, the thumbnail

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<v Speaker 1>on IMDb, so they probably thought you were a big

1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:45.200
<v Speaker 1>deal and you're just playing like a medical an assistant Emmy,

1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and then two seasons later you come back to start

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<v Speaker 1>off as Oh, how did that work out?

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<v Speaker 3>How did that go?

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, I, like every actor in New York

1:21:54.720 --> 1:21:58.800
<v Speaker 6>had been auditioning for SVU for a very long time unsuccessfully,

1:21:59.400 --> 1:22:05.800
<v Speaker 6>and my agents were like, tomorrow, Toney can't do these reshoots.

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<v Speaker 6>Would you consider filling in for her? And playing the part,

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<v Speaker 6>and at first, you know, you're like, wait, I don't

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<v Speaker 6>want to blow it on like the me. They're like no,

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<v Speaker 6>but it's going to recur. So I'm like, I was like, dude,

1:22:18.080 --> 1:22:20.400
<v Speaker 6>I was like, I got this recurring part on Law

1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:23.719
<v Speaker 6>and Order SVU that never recurred.

1:22:24.120 --> 1:22:25.120
<v Speaker 5>It's just like I.

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<v Speaker 6>Did it, and I was. I have to say, I

1:22:28.040 --> 1:22:31.920
<v Speaker 6>was pretty bad. I do remember Chris and Marishka on

1:22:31.960 --> 1:22:34.479
<v Speaker 6>their off camera like because it's like, you know, it's

1:22:34.520 --> 1:22:36.800
<v Speaker 6>it's a it's a it's a muscle. I learned to

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<v Speaker 6>train and speak the speak. I think that's why I

1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:42.720
<v Speaker 6>lasted as long as I did. But when I was

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<v Speaker 6>playing tomorrow's part, I was I was messing up the

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<v Speaker 6>language like left and right, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Chris and Marishka are off camera like it's great, No,

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<v Speaker 5>you got it, you got it, Like it's just awful.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, so that recurring part never recurred and I

1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:02.880
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, that's amor. Cut to a couple of

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<v Speaker 6>years later, I'm doing a play with Chad Lowe, who's

1:23:08.280 --> 1:23:10.960
<v Speaker 6>friends with Marishka and Peter. They come to see the play.

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<v Speaker 6>Chad's like, hey, they're having a game night on the

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<v Speaker 6>Upper West Side.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, I don't want to go.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not going to know anybody, like you know, it's

1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:20.800
<v Speaker 6>like you get like weird and self conscious and all

1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:21.479
<v Speaker 6>that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>So I go there and Neil Bayer also was there.

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<v Speaker 6>And I said for him, yeah, and Neil is the best,

1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:35.559
<v Speaker 6>like he will talk about him, but I I remember

1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:39.439
<v Speaker 6>when I met with him once on another unsuccessful SVU audition.

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<v Speaker 5>He's like, oh, I wrote the episode of Er that

1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:45.680
<v Speaker 5>you're in, which we shot in like.

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<v Speaker 6>Nineteen ninety nine, and I was like, oh my god,

1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:52.280
<v Speaker 6>I'm so proud of that work. Jessica Capshaw is my wife.

1:23:52.439 --> 1:23:56.360
<v Speaker 6>I play this like you know, law student loses his mind. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>it was a connect. And then he was at this party.

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<v Speaker 6>We had a great time, like you know, playing running

1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:03.840
<v Speaker 6>charades and like it was that. It was that Bob

1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:08.640
<v Speaker 6>Balaband's like beautiful pre war, huge epic apartment.

1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:10.760
<v Speaker 5>Martha Plimpton was there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:24:12.120 --> 1:24:14.240
<v Speaker 5>It was just like a who's who and it was

1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:14.799
<v Speaker 5>so fun.

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<v Speaker 6>And then three weeks later I get a call and

1:24:17.240 --> 1:24:20.800
<v Speaker 6>they're like, oh, hey, uh you there's a part, not

1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:24.439
<v Speaker 6>the part you played, a new part on SVU that

1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:28.000
<v Speaker 6>was just offered to me, which never happens as an actor.

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<v Speaker 5>Would you do it? I was like, and then that

1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:35.639
<v Speaker 5>was the beginning of my journey on SVA.

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<v Speaker 3>You must have made an impression at that game night.

1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:39.360
<v Speaker 5>I guess I did.

1:24:39.680 --> 1:24:42.520
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, hopefully you've never missed a game night since.

1:24:42.720 --> 1:24:44.879
<v Speaker 6>You know. That's what I when I meet with young actors,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, go to everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, don't be a douche, but just go, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, what a great story. I want to go

1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:54.760
<v Speaker 2>to a game night at Bob Balaban's house. I mean,

1:24:56.640 --> 1:24:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it's CSU language, easier than m E language.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh No, it's funny because like you know, I you know,

1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:07.280
<v Speaker 6>I've been off the show for a long time.

1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:08.639
<v Speaker 5>So I'm like, I'm gonna go back.

1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:11.800
<v Speaker 6>And I watched my first well parts of my first

1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:14.639
<v Speaker 6>last night, because I do remember that, and then part

1:25:14.760 --> 1:25:18.600
<v Speaker 6>and then I watched Zebra's and in that first episode

1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:21.720
<v Speaker 6>I had to say, I'll put it in my gas chromatograph,

1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:24.880
<v Speaker 6>mass spectrometer and ice ghost.

1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:26.479
<v Speaker 5>To me, He's like, man, that sounds like you say

1:25:26.520 --> 1:25:27.160
<v Speaker 5>that every day.

1:25:27.280 --> 1:25:29.160
<v Speaker 6>I was like, I have been for the last five

1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:31.400
<v Speaker 6>so I could say it properly here.

1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:33.840
<v Speaker 5>But it was so that.

1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:40.200
<v Speaker 6>Job was especially challenging because it's like speaking French without

1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:43.200
<v Speaker 6>any sort of mastery, and it's like you don't have

1:25:43.320 --> 1:25:47.559
<v Speaker 6>these scenes like with people in the sense that you're

1:25:47.600 --> 1:25:49.240
<v Speaker 6>not really dialoguing with people.

1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:51.000
<v Speaker 5>You're sort of monologuing and.

1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:55.960
<v Speaker 6>Like, you know, forwarding the plot and invariably, you know,

1:25:56.720 --> 1:25:58.600
<v Speaker 6>a director would be like, we're gonna do it in

1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:02.240
<v Speaker 6>one so you would go from like your microscope to

1:26:02.560 --> 1:26:05.760
<v Speaker 6>like your computer to like some other piece of machinery

1:26:05.880 --> 1:26:09.160
<v Speaker 6>whilst saying all this like blood, spatterer pattern and you know,

1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:13.679
<v Speaker 6>like all this crazy stuff. So I trained myself because

1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.479
<v Speaker 6>I knew. I was like, if you can't say the

1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:20.080
<v Speaker 6>words you're gonna I'm gonna be super short lived. So

1:26:20.240 --> 1:26:23.760
<v Speaker 6>I would like vacuum my apartment. I would like, you know,

1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:26.960
<v Speaker 6>clean my bathroom while doing my dialogue. So I could,

1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:28.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, if they were like do it on your head,

1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:29.880
<v Speaker 6>I'd be like, got it.

1:26:30.280 --> 1:26:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow, Yeah, you're right. It is a lot of show

1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:33.320
<v Speaker 3>and tell.

1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>You're like, the blood's over here, and look what I

1:26:35.680 --> 1:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>found here.

1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:41.759
<v Speaker 6>I didn't wow, blood here and seamen all under my purview.

1:26:43.560 --> 1:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Now when you did read Zebras, were you pissed? Did

1:26:46.880 --> 1:26:50.120
<v Speaker 2>you have like a heads up. What were your thoughts about?

1:26:50.960 --> 1:26:55.080
<v Speaker 5>Uh, yeah, it was I you know, because Stucky came on.

1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:59.360
<v Speaker 6>I thought he was just this little annoying upstart, but

1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:02.120
<v Speaker 6>he was you know, it was always designed for him

1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:05.800
<v Speaker 6>to come in and kill me. But I didn't find

1:27:05.800 --> 1:27:08.240
<v Speaker 6>out until Zebra's was released and I was doing a

1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:11.559
<v Speaker 6>play up in Williamstown. It was like an hour before

1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:14.640
<v Speaker 6>I went on stage and I got the call that

1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:18.680
<v Speaker 6>they're like, they're going to kill you. And I was like, oh, so,

1:27:19.320 --> 1:27:21.679
<v Speaker 6>yeah that play was not my best performance. My friends

1:27:21.720 --> 1:27:23.720
<v Speaker 6>and it were like, dude, what's up. I was like, well,

1:27:24.840 --> 1:27:27.479
<v Speaker 6>a nice long run is coming to an end, but yeah,

1:27:27.600 --> 1:27:28.280
<v Speaker 6>what are you gonna do?

1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:30.760
<v Speaker 3>I know, I can't believe it. No, heads up?

1:27:31.920 --> 1:27:34.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was, yeah, it was.

1:27:34.920 --> 1:27:37.840
<v Speaker 6>But you know, look, I think the decision was made

1:27:38.280 --> 1:27:40.400
<v Speaker 6>in fact, I you know, I know this.

1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:42.360
<v Speaker 5>Neil has told me. It was in the beginning of

1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:42.920
<v Speaker 5>the season.

1:27:43.439 --> 1:27:46.280
<v Speaker 6>It was two thousand and eight and there was the

1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:49.960
<v Speaker 6>financial crisis and they were worried about budgets and so

1:27:50.000 --> 1:27:54.240
<v Speaker 6>they're like, we need to trim But there were a

1:27:54.320 --> 1:27:56.439
<v Speaker 6>few of us that were on the chopping block. Judith

1:27:56.560 --> 1:28:00.760
<v Speaker 6>light Me and I forget who This third one is

1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.919
<v Speaker 6>but I think there was a death in the family

1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.840
<v Speaker 6>when the skip the script broke, so they're like, well,

1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:10.679
<v Speaker 6>we can't kill Judith light and so so another thing

1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.559
<v Speaker 6>I tell young actors, I'm like, go to parties and

1:28:13.640 --> 1:28:15.840
<v Speaker 6>if you think you're gonna get killed, have someone in

1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:16.559
<v Speaker 6>your family die.

1:28:19.080 --> 1:28:20.479
<v Speaker 3>That's great advice.

1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:21.720
<v Speaker 5>And it's funny, you know.

1:28:21.760 --> 1:28:24.800
<v Speaker 6>Watching Zebra's last night I was I was like, it's

1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:27.360
<v Speaker 6>still and of course I'm biased, but like.

1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:31.000
<v Speaker 5>It's still has a really nice look to it.

1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:34.000
<v Speaker 6>And I think that was also something that Neil created,

1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:39.920
<v Speaker 6>like it was very sort of you know, shadowy, contrasty dark.

1:28:41.560 --> 1:28:45.320
<v Speaker 6>After I was off the show, I was shadowing Peter Leto,

1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:49.240
<v Speaker 6>who directed, because I direct as well. And it was

1:28:49.280 --> 1:28:52.719
<v Speaker 6>the episode with Isabell whu Pear and Sharon Stone.

1:28:51.960 --> 1:28:53.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it was the best.

1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:59.320
<v Speaker 6>I mean powerhouses and uh it's an interrogation scene and

1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:03.280
<v Speaker 6>is All watches the playback and it's at night and

1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:07.439
<v Speaker 6>she just goes, I need more light. And the DP

1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:09.840
<v Speaker 6>was like, yeah, I know, it's a night scene, and

1:29:09.880 --> 1:29:11.880
<v Speaker 6>we played with contrasts. She's like, I need more light,

1:29:12.640 --> 1:29:16.040
<v Speaker 6>and so they goosed up the light and then when

1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:21.280
<v Speaker 6>they set the camera she's like she's like motioning for

1:29:21.360 --> 1:29:23.479
<v Speaker 6>them to raise it a little higher, because you know,

1:29:24.240 --> 1:29:26.800
<v Speaker 6>she knows, she knows how to photograph herself.

1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:27.360
<v Speaker 3>She knows her angles.

1:29:27.400 --> 1:29:27.600
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1:29:27.680 --> 1:29:31.840
<v Speaker 2>At that point we also always reminisced the Neil barriers.

1:29:32.080 --> 1:29:34.200
<v Speaker 3>There was like humor underneath it all too.

1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>There was like a current of funny and yeah we

1:29:37.880 --> 1:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>miss it, but away no.

1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:42.120
<v Speaker 6>Shit, yeah, I mean there's the uh I mean just

1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:43.839
<v Speaker 6>in Zebra's that whole.

1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:44.720
<v Speaker 5>Bing bang bong thing.

1:29:44.920 --> 1:29:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

1:29:46.600 --> 1:29:49.240
<v Speaker 6>I also had I can tell this because Chris is

1:29:49.360 --> 1:29:52.160
<v Speaker 6>good friend. But when you were saying about the language,

1:29:52.200 --> 1:29:55.840
<v Speaker 6>I also had like some motivation, which was, you know,

1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:58.559
<v Speaker 6>because everybody it's like it's you know, the show. It's

1:29:58.600 --> 1:30:02.320
<v Speaker 6>fourteen hours a day, sometimes more, and everybody just wants

1:30:02.400 --> 1:30:06.560
<v Speaker 6>to like, you know, go home. And you know, bloopers

1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:09.040
<v Speaker 6>are funny on a blooper reel, but when they happen

1:30:09.080 --> 1:30:11.840
<v Speaker 6>in the moment, it's not funny because it's time, it's money,

1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:13.559
<v Speaker 6>it's all this, So you know, there's a there's a

1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:19.200
<v Speaker 6>pressure to perform. But Chris would occasionally give me a

1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.960
<v Speaker 6>little football tap in the butt if I got like

1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:25.400
<v Speaker 6>one take and i'd I was like, I did it. Chris,

1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.080
<v Speaker 6>it's motivation, motivation enough for me.

1:30:29.360 --> 1:30:32.120
<v Speaker 3>What do you so? You said you and Maloney are pals.

1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>What do you make of you know, his his new

1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Zadi status, his butt taking over the internet?

1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:40.160
<v Speaker 6>Etca excit zady status.

1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, but like you know now, it's on

1:30:42.520 --> 1:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the cover of People magazine.

1:30:44.160 --> 1:30:47.120
<v Speaker 6>I've posted this picture you can see in my Instagram.

1:30:47.479 --> 1:30:51.200
<v Speaker 6>We have a picture of Chris. This is at a

1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:55.160
<v Speaker 6>party at Marishka's house. He's straddled doing a split and

1:30:55.240 --> 1:30:58.519
<v Speaker 6>I'm behind him like this with a drink resting on

1:30:58.600 --> 1:30:59.280
<v Speaker 6>his buttsheet.

1:31:00.160 --> 1:31:04.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean, because it's it's you know, it's a shove.

1:31:04.600 --> 1:31:06.040
<v Speaker 3>It seems like a stable surface.

1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, carry and drink.

1:31:08.640 --> 1:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>So you you guys knew ahead of, ahead of the

1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>times that the ass was great, Yeah, before the public.

1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:18.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I clocked that pretty early on.

1:31:20.400 --> 1:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely well.

1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:29.759
<v Speaker 2>It's also fun to hear like sillier stories about Maloney

1:31:29.800 --> 1:31:32.080
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people say he's very serious, he's

1:31:32.080 --> 1:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>stretching and like Marishka's kind of a silly one and

1:31:34.880 --> 1:31:39.080
<v Speaker 2>he so it's nice to hear some silly They're.

1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:40.640
<v Speaker 5>Both pretty silly, you know.

1:31:40.960 --> 1:31:43.519
<v Speaker 6>I think they have to be serious to a point

1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:47.720
<v Speaker 6>to you know, to produce that show, you know, day

1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:52.080
<v Speaker 6>after day after day. But like there is definitely there

1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:54.200
<v Speaker 6>was always a sense of fun and a sense of

1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:59.000
<v Speaker 6>play and and it was you know, it was a

1:31:59.000 --> 1:31:59.880
<v Speaker 6>great set to be on.

1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:00.679
<v Speaker 5>Really.

1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:02.120
<v Speaker 3>So I read that.

1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I read the New York Times article that they did

1:32:04.280 --> 1:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>on you, like twelve thirteen years ago about how you

1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>died so many times on screen. Did that lower the

1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>number of times that you got killed or because I

1:32:14.040 --> 1:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like then, since then, I've seen you die a

1:32:15.920 --> 1:32:16.799
<v Speaker 1>couple more times.

1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:20.080
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, I think that is the fate of

1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:24.520
<v Speaker 6>like many a guest star that you know, you're expendable.

1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:25.120
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

1:32:25.200 --> 1:32:27.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I don't know how many times I died when

1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:30.240
<v Speaker 6>that article was like seven nine something.

1:32:30.680 --> 1:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>At the time of the article, it was seven, but

1:32:32.240 --> 1:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be up highed now because.

1:32:35.000 --> 1:32:38.320
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure I've got a good five on top of that. Yeah,

1:32:38.400 --> 1:32:40.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, it's funny because like I was thinking, you know,

1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:44.240
<v Speaker 6>a friend of mine was a is a is a

1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.519
<v Speaker 6>writer at the Times, and I was like, and I

1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.920
<v Speaker 6>was telling him, I was like, oh, I was like,

1:32:49.240 --> 1:32:50.760
<v Speaker 6>I just found out I'm getting killed again.

1:32:50.800 --> 1:32:54.000
<v Speaker 5>He's like, don't you get killed a lot? And I

1:32:54.080 --> 1:32:56.000
<v Speaker 5>was like, yeah, I guess I do.

1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:57.559
<v Speaker 6>He's like there might be a story in that, So

1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:01.200
<v Speaker 6>he pitched it to one of his one of his

1:33:01.280 --> 1:33:03.760
<v Speaker 6>co workers, and then they did the story and then

1:33:03.800 --> 1:33:08.000
<v Speaker 6>there was like a Nightline episode and the CNN thing

1:33:08.120 --> 1:33:10.840
<v Speaker 6>and now it's sort of that thing that people are like, oh,

1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.680
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna die in this, you know, and like, no,

1:33:13.960 --> 1:33:15.439
<v Speaker 6>I'm hopefully going to stay alive.

1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:18.120
<v Speaker 2>And it was cute how it ended with your mom

1:33:18.240 --> 1:33:21.360
<v Speaker 2>being like just calling the check if you're okay, like you,

1:33:21.520 --> 1:33:28.200
<v Speaker 2>she has to keep watching her some die. Mom's do

1:33:28.200 --> 1:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you do any like specific prep for a death scene? Like,

1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:32.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know in the article you talk about

1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>how you'd prefer to die with your eyes open rather

1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:38.040
<v Speaker 2>than with your eyes closed, but like, yeah, what do

1:33:38.120 --> 1:33:41.720
<v Speaker 2>you You talked to like Anthony Rapp who had to

1:33:41.760 --> 1:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>like lie in blood for a long time on his episode,

1:33:44.560 --> 1:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and he was like it was so annoying, like I'm freezing,

1:33:47.800 --> 1:33:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Like but you know that.

1:33:50.760 --> 1:33:55.400
<v Speaker 6>In Zebras, I think that scene that last big chunk.

1:33:55.760 --> 1:33:58.280
<v Speaker 6>I think we shot it over three days, which is

1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:01.680
<v Speaker 6>a long long time. So they would wrap me in

1:34:01.800 --> 1:34:05.680
<v Speaker 6>like dry cleaner bags to keep the blood wet in

1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:09.320
<v Speaker 6>between takes and then yeah, because I was laying there

1:34:09.600 --> 1:34:14.240
<v Speaker 6>for quite a bit of that what was going on

1:34:14.439 --> 1:34:16.839
<v Speaker 6>even though you know you don't see it in certain shots,

1:34:16.840 --> 1:34:18.800
<v Speaker 6>but they you know, they always keep you around.

1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:20.559
<v Speaker 3>And you would just like bounce to lunch with like

1:34:20.640 --> 1:34:22.719
<v Speaker 3>wet blood all over yourself and then come back.

1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:24.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, just another day.

1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:26.200
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're in another hugely iconic, beloved show on this podcast,

1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:36.519
<v Speaker 2>and that is Sex and the City. Ah, anything you'd

1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:38.160
<v Speaker 2>like to tell us about your time on set?

1:34:39.800 --> 1:34:42.960
<v Speaker 6>That was also an amazing show to be on at

1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:46.320
<v Speaker 6>that time. I think it was season It was like

1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:49.320
<v Speaker 6>the third season, so it had you know, it had

1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:55.080
<v Speaker 6>it's like it was really being celebrated. And I had

1:34:55.760 --> 1:35:03.080
<v Speaker 6>met Michael Patrick King through some through X actually and

1:35:03.080 --> 1:35:06.000
<v Speaker 6>and oh god, I was. It was like it was

1:35:06.040 --> 1:35:07.640
<v Speaker 6>not a great time for me because I was like

1:35:07.920 --> 1:35:11.880
<v Speaker 6>I had survival jobs that were not the best and

1:35:12.640 --> 1:35:18.120
<v Speaker 6>like things sort of were, you know, stalling. And I

1:35:18.200 --> 1:35:20.559
<v Speaker 6>was in New York and Michael Patrick King was like, oh,

1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:25.559
<v Speaker 6>there's this part on you know, playing John Slattery's campaign manager.

1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:27.160
<v Speaker 6>Would you come in and read for it? I was

1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:31.040
<v Speaker 6>like one hundred. So I went out to a story.

1:35:31.160 --> 1:35:33.559
<v Speaker 6>I think there was a silver cup. I read for it,

1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:36.880
<v Speaker 6>and this is the only time it's ever happened to me.

1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:39.559
<v Speaker 6>But it was the greatest thing ever. At the end

1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:41.560
<v Speaker 6>of it, he goes, that was great. He's like, do

1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:42.439
<v Speaker 6>you want to play the part?

1:35:42.880 --> 1:35:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, oh my gosh.

1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:50.840
<v Speaker 5>It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool.

1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:56.320
<v Speaker 6>And he's he's amazing and awesome and Slattery is is fantastic.

1:35:56.360 --> 1:36:00.120
<v Speaker 5>Who's still a good friend? And yeah we had a great.

1:36:00.560 --> 1:36:03.760
<v Speaker 3>You're really popular all these friends.

1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:06.759
<v Speaker 6>I don't know about that, but it's so funny because

1:36:06.800 --> 1:36:09.040
<v Speaker 6>like my cousins in New Jersey who are like, you know,

1:36:09.640 --> 1:36:13.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, like there, you wouldn't necessarily think, you know,

1:36:13.320 --> 1:36:15.760
<v Speaker 6>the guys would be watching sex in the city and

1:36:15.760 --> 1:36:17.679
<v Speaker 6>they're like, Mike, why did you say no?

1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:19.080
<v Speaker 5>What was his name?

1:36:19.360 --> 1:36:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Willie Garson?

1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:22.920
<v Speaker 5>To Willie, it's like, say no, damn. I was like, well,

1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:23.680
<v Speaker 5>I didn't write it.

1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:27.760
<v Speaker 3>You wanted a muscle guy.

1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Well this might be silly, but yes, Stabler, Benson, munch Finn,

1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:35.240
<v Speaker 2>who is the Carrie, Miranda, Samantha Charlotte.

1:36:35.640 --> 1:36:38.719
<v Speaker 3>I want to play this. This is too hard.

1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I saw Lisa wrote this question and I was like

1:36:40.720 --> 1:36:42.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to do it in my head. I was like,

1:36:42.640 --> 1:36:47.320
<v Speaker 1>who's the sluttiest one? I don't know, Benn, I don't know.

1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:51.479
<v Speaker 1>I think Munch has been married like six times clubs.

1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:55.040
<v Speaker 5>But but who do we want to be the sluttiest?

1:36:55.160 --> 1:36:55.799
<v Speaker 5>Is the question?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? I like where you're going with the.

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<v Speaker 5>Who's the carry? I mean, Marishka has got to be

1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:02.280
<v Speaker 5>the carry?

1:37:02.360 --> 1:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1:37:02.600 --> 1:37:07.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's that's pretty alb. Who's the Charlotte? Let's go back,

1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:08.400
<v Speaker 6>let's go kind of.

1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Stabler's a Charlotte because he's so Catholic and he's always

1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:15.639
<v Speaker 2>like acting like what the rules are and telling Marishka

1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like what's what in terms of like what people what,

1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>what kids should be able to do, what women should

1:37:20.360 --> 1:37:21.280
<v Speaker 2>be able to do and stuff.

1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:26.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, that's just that's the Catholic.

1:37:26.880 --> 1:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's Protestant. I always mess that up. Yeah, I

1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>forget that. Yeah, I forget.

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<v Speaker 5>One of those Christian ones.

1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:35.960
<v Speaker 6>Oh God, that's really hard.

1:37:36.600 --> 1:37:38.960
<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, what if?

1:37:40.200 --> 1:37:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Well?

1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:45.000
<v Speaker 5>I feel like Munch is like the what's the Cynthia

1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:45.360
<v Speaker 5>next one?

1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:46.439
<v Speaker 3>Miranda?

1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:49.759
<v Speaker 6>I feel like that's Munch, and then that gives us

1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:51.720
<v Speaker 6>Samantha and Charlotte.

1:37:52.400 --> 1:37:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:37:52.800 --> 1:37:55.360
<v Speaker 6>I don't feel like I don't feel like Finn is

1:37:55.400 --> 1:38:00.200
<v Speaker 6>too slutty though, but he's not so innocent either.

1:38:00.720 --> 1:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>But he also has like the good one liners and

1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:05.800
<v Speaker 1>is like really deadpan the way that Samantha kind of is.

1:38:05.960 --> 1:38:09.040
<v Speaker 6>So yes, it's you know, there was one episode I

1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:12.040
<v Speaker 6>forget what it was, Ice, one of the you know,

1:38:12.760 --> 1:38:17.680
<v Speaker 6>stalwart episodic directors came up, and you know, it was like,

1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:20.360
<v Speaker 6>I I think, you know in the scene, you know,

1:38:20.479 --> 1:38:23.240
<v Speaker 6>you just got the news, you know, and so there's

1:38:23.280 --> 1:38:26.200
<v Speaker 6>a there's a pressure of time and like.

1:38:26.240 --> 1:38:27.839
<v Speaker 5>You know, maybe some more urgency.

1:38:28.040 --> 1:38:30.640
<v Speaker 6>And I was like okay, and the director was the

1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:32.920
<v Speaker 6>way and he says to me, it's like no matter

1:38:33.160 --> 1:38:35.960
<v Speaker 6>he goes, no matter why it is or how no, no,

1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:38.240
<v Speaker 6>what do you say, No matter what it is or why.

1:38:38.080 --> 1:38:39.599
<v Speaker 5>It is, he goes. I say it the same way.

1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.200
<v Speaker 5>It's so great. Ice is the best.

1:38:44.320 --> 1:38:47.920
<v Speaker 6>He's he's he's like such a such a good heart,

1:38:48.320 --> 1:38:48.880
<v Speaker 6>sweet guy.

1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>And yeah you met Coco. Oh yeah, we heard cocos

1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:54.680
<v Speaker 3>out a lot on the set.

1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:56.439
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, she was there.

1:38:56.600 --> 1:39:01.280
<v Speaker 6>Her mom hung out to Coco's mom who they look

1:39:01.360 --> 1:39:02.120
<v Speaker 6>like their sisters.

1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:03.720
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I've seen her.

1:39:04.240 --> 1:39:04.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:08.120
<v Speaker 1>He's got this like viral clip going from like a

1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Late Night show where he when he found out what

1:39:10.320 --> 1:39:12.200
<v Speaker 1>residuals were, like he thought he was only gonna do

1:39:12.280 --> 1:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>SVU for like a season or two, and then he

1:39:14.080 --> 1:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>found out what residuals were and he's like, I'm staying

1:39:16.040 --> 1:39:17.240
<v Speaker 1>here for as long as I can.

1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:20.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's the gift that keeps on giving, it is.

1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:25.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm very grateful to Neil Bayer for, you know,

1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:27.799
<v Speaker 6>really changing my life.

1:39:28.360 --> 1:39:31.080
<v Speaker 2>You did give us some tidbits, you know, iced tea

1:39:31.160 --> 1:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>stay able. Are there are, Maloney, Are there any other

1:39:33.479 --> 1:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>like really fun moments with the cast or being on

1:39:36.280 --> 1:39:38.240
<v Speaker 2>set that stick out to you that you think our

1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:40.439
<v Speaker 2>listeners or us would be kind of obsessed with.

1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:44.760
<v Speaker 5>We have, Like I mean, there's some gag reeal moments

1:39:44.800 --> 1:39:45.280
<v Speaker 5>like with.

1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:49.439
<v Speaker 6>You know, I always felt like I had to you know,

1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:52.320
<v Speaker 6>like you know, because this is like when you come

1:39:52.360 --> 1:39:54.640
<v Speaker 6>in for you know, as a guest. You know, you

1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:58.360
<v Speaker 6>want to not take too much license. But like Mariska

1:39:59.000 --> 1:40:01.559
<v Speaker 6>would be like she's like a okay, she's like in this.

1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:04.519
<v Speaker 6>In this you know, there's the one where we sing

1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:08.040
<v Speaker 6>solid like a rock, but solid like Barack because I

1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:14.519
<v Speaker 6>think he was just elected two thousand eight, Okay, And

1:40:14.560 --> 1:40:18.080
<v Speaker 6>we there's a nice little outtake. Oh and then there's

1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:20.519
<v Speaker 6>one I don't know where this this footage exists, if

1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:25.599
<v Speaker 6>it does, but oh, and now I'm remembering a few

1:40:25.640 --> 1:40:28.919
<v Speaker 6>other things too. But when she'd won the Golden Globe,

1:40:29.240 --> 1:40:32.120
<v Speaker 6>there was a scene in an apartment and I had

1:40:32.160 --> 1:40:36.600
<v Speaker 6>the blunt instrument that was the mode of assault or

1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:37.559
<v Speaker 6>killing someone.

1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:38.200
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember.

1:40:38.520 --> 1:40:41.240
<v Speaker 6>But then and we had shot it, and like it

1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:43.320
<v Speaker 6>was clear that we were done shooting the scene, and

1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:44.280
<v Speaker 6>the director's like, no, no, no.

1:40:44.400 --> 1:40:46.519
<v Speaker 5>We need one more. And was like what She's like,

1:40:46.520 --> 1:40:48.800
<v Speaker 5>why do we need one more? And they gave me

1:40:49.160 --> 1:40:50.040
<v Speaker 5>her golden globe.

1:40:50.400 --> 1:40:52.320
<v Speaker 6>So I was like, well it was it was clearly

1:40:52.360 --> 1:40:55.040
<v Speaker 6>carried out with this blood instrument, and I just grabbed it.

1:40:55.360 --> 1:40:59.760
<v Speaker 6>Like there was a There was another one where Peter

1:41:00.640 --> 1:41:02.800
<v Speaker 6>had to I was on a I don't know what

1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:05.080
<v Speaker 6>episode it was, but I was on a ladder and

1:41:05.120 --> 1:41:08.600
<v Speaker 6>I had to reach into a wall niche and like

1:41:08.760 --> 1:41:13.479
<v Speaker 6>take out something, and they put in black bean.

1:41:13.280 --> 1:41:19.160
<v Speaker 3>Dip, No, not black bean dip.

1:41:20.080 --> 1:41:22.760
<v Speaker 6>And of course, when you don't know it's black bean dip,

1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:26.160
<v Speaker 6>you're like, what is this squisky brown material?

1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:28.160
<v Speaker 5>You're soaking in it?

1:41:29.640 --> 1:41:32.559
<v Speaker 2>I do see the almost love poster behind you. I'm

1:41:32.600 --> 1:41:36.559
<v Speaker 2>actually in Michelle Buteau's Netflix show and yeah, we were.

1:41:36.479 --> 1:41:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Filming last night and I told her that I was

1:41:38.200 --> 1:41:39.040
<v Speaker 3>going to name drop her.

1:41:39.760 --> 1:41:42.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh that's so fantastic. So are you in it? Are

1:41:42.320 --> 1:41:43.200
<v Speaker 5>you in Atlanta now?

1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:45.000
<v Speaker 3>No, we're shooting in Bushwick.

1:41:45.680 --> 1:41:45.720
<v Speaker 6>You.

1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:48.599
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I didn't know. That's right. The other show

1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:50.760
<v Speaker 5>that she's on is in yeah, The.

1:41:50.720 --> 1:41:52.920
<v Speaker 3>First Wives Club. Yeah, The First Wives is in Atlanta.

1:41:53.040 --> 1:41:55.639
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Oh, congrats, that's so great. I read the pilot.

1:41:55.760 --> 1:41:59.320
<v Speaker 6>She sent me the pilot, and I love Michelle more

1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:05.400
<v Speaker 6>than words can express. And she she is just like

1:42:05.600 --> 1:42:10.919
<v Speaker 6>a force of nature, so funny and also so big hearted.

1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:17.559
<v Speaker 6>And you know, when we met for my film, we

1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:19.640
<v Speaker 6>just had a meeting over coffee and like, you know,

1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:22.000
<v Speaker 6>both of us did our funny, did our funny, but

1:42:22.040 --> 1:42:26.400
<v Speaker 6>then we dropped into this like really deep place about

1:42:26.520 --> 1:42:29.800
<v Speaker 6>our families and like you know, all the you know

1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:34.879
<v Speaker 6>michig as that that entails and and I was like, oh,

1:42:35.000 --> 1:42:39.519
<v Speaker 6>this is a woman who who I want to get

1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:41.960
<v Speaker 6>to know more and I think will bring so much

1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:42.479
<v Speaker 6>to the part.

1:42:42.600 --> 1:42:46.559
<v Speaker 5>And she did. She just is I can't say enough

1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:47.080
<v Speaker 5>about her.

1:42:47.840 --> 1:42:51.280
<v Speaker 2>She's really town she's said really amazing things about you

1:42:51.360 --> 1:42:55.120
<v Speaker 2>as well, and she loved doing that movie. But sometimes

1:42:55.120 --> 1:42:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll watch it's like she's a really good actress.

1:42:58.120 --> 1:42:59.479
<v Speaker 3>It's really cool to watch her.

1:42:59.720 --> 1:43:01.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I saw her.

1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:04.600
<v Speaker 6>She had a she you know, does the show Adulting,

1:43:05.280 --> 1:43:08.759
<v Speaker 6>and I went to her live show with Colin Donnell,

1:43:08.800 --> 1:43:11.240
<v Speaker 6>who plays her love interest in the movie, and she

1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:14.840
<v Speaker 6>was just talking about, like in the they had a

1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:17.640
<v Speaker 6>guest on, but they were talking about like body positivity,

1:43:17.720 --> 1:43:21.360
<v Speaker 6>and she's just like, she's like, you know, She's like, actually,

1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:23.559
<v Speaker 6>I got to play a part where I had a

1:43:23.560 --> 1:43:25.639
<v Speaker 6>sex scene and I wasn't the best friend the next day,

1:43:25.800 --> 1:43:27.640
<v Speaker 6>who was like, how was it. She's like, and the

1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:29.120
<v Speaker 6>guy who wrote it is here, and the guy who

1:43:29.200 --> 1:43:31.640
<v Speaker 6>I was in bed with this here and then and

1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:34.839
<v Speaker 6>then she was talking about first kisses and she's.

1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:36.479
<v Speaker 5>Like, Mike, you have a story. Come on up. And

1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:40.080
<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh no, I was like, no, I'm good.

1:43:40.120 --> 1:43:41.280
<v Speaker 5>She's like, come on, come up.

1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:44.680
<v Speaker 6>And so I told the story on her show and

1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:47.320
<v Speaker 6>I felt so sort of like, you know, it was

1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:48.800
<v Speaker 6>it was an honor to be part of it.

1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, are you gonna talk about the first kiss or what?

1:43:52.280 --> 1:43:53.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was.

1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:55.439
<v Speaker 6>It was in a It was in a made for

1:43:55.479 --> 1:43:58.240
<v Speaker 6>TV movie when they used to have m Ow's Movies

1:43:58.240 --> 1:43:58.639
<v Speaker 6>of the Week.

1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I saw that on your eye.

1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:04.639
<v Speaker 6>It was called on the Plane Road later. A Loss

1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:07.040
<v Speaker 6>of Innocence is a Mormon tragic love story set in

1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:09.960
<v Speaker 6>the twenties with nine O two one o's Jenny Garth

1:44:09.960 --> 1:44:14.400
<v Speaker 6>and Melrose places Rob esties. I'm married to Jenny. We

1:44:14.439 --> 1:44:17.880
<v Speaker 6>own a dairy farm. My half brother Rob comes into town.

1:44:17.920 --> 1:44:21.280
<v Speaker 6>He's a piano teacher. He starts teaching my wife piano.

1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:23.639
<v Speaker 6>They get two clothes. I'm like, what's going on? And

1:44:23.680 --> 1:44:25.280
<v Speaker 6>we go out on the deer hunt. She forgets to

1:44:25.320 --> 1:44:26.920
<v Speaker 6>pack my jacket. He shoots me dead.

1:44:29.320 --> 1:44:29.920
<v Speaker 3>First death.

1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:35.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, first death. And uh yeah, so oh so the kiss.

1:44:35.400 --> 1:44:37.519
<v Speaker 6>So Jenny and I had to kiss, and I'd never

1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:43.320
<v Speaker 6>kissed on screen before, and and so I go in

1:44:43.520 --> 1:44:46.600
<v Speaker 6>for the kiss and they're like kiss, kiss, and she

1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:51.280
<v Speaker 6>pushes me away and she's like, no town, and the

1:44:51.320 --> 1:44:52.280
<v Speaker 6>whole crew is like, what.

1:44:54.320 --> 1:44:55.200
<v Speaker 5>Did I didn't know?

1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I want to make it look real. I got it.

1:44:58.160 --> 1:45:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, no one teaches these little these things until

1:45:01.680 --> 1:45:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you're there and you stick your tongue into some way.

1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:07.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean especially back then there was you know,

1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:10.519
<v Speaker 6>we didn't have intimacy coordinators because it was the olden days,

1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:12.360
<v Speaker 6>you know.

1:45:12.520 --> 1:45:14.800
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, no one taught me that.

1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:18.040
<v Speaker 3>Is a cute story. I like that. I want to

1:45:18.040 --> 1:45:18.479
<v Speaker 3>watch it.

1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Well, And you have a new movie, right and is

1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:25.439
<v Speaker 2>it in post product that you wrote directed and.

1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:31.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and your yeah passing through it's called uh yeah,

1:45:31.920 --> 1:45:33.719
<v Speaker 6>it's it's out.

1:45:33.560 --> 1:45:36.240
<v Speaker 5>To festivals now and we'll see. We're waiting to see

1:45:36.520 --> 1:45:37.280
<v Speaker 5>where it lands.

1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:43.280
<v Speaker 6>But I am in it, uh, Amy Ryan, of many

1:45:43.320 --> 1:45:44.360
<v Speaker 6>many things, isn't it.

1:45:44.520 --> 1:45:45.200
<v Speaker 3>She's awesome.

1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And you like writing directing obviously you like that as

1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:50.280
<v Speaker 2>much as acting or.

1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:52.320
<v Speaker 5>I do, Yeah, I do.

1:45:52.439 --> 1:45:54.320
<v Speaker 6>I've got a couple of other things that I'm you know,

1:45:54.439 --> 1:46:01.440
<v Speaker 6>on various stages of not happening, but you know, eventually

1:46:01.479 --> 1:46:04.280
<v Speaker 6>they will, you know, everything as you know, moves like

1:46:04.360 --> 1:46:07.759
<v Speaker 6>at a snail's pace, and then it, you know, takes off.

1:46:07.800 --> 1:46:13.920
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I'm trying to direct more actually than I've

1:46:13.920 --> 1:46:16.200
<v Speaker 6>got a you know a couple of writing projects. But like,

1:46:16.360 --> 1:46:19.720
<v Speaker 6>directing is the thing that I really love because it,

1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:24.080
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, it just brings together so many things

1:46:24.080 --> 1:46:26.760
<v Speaker 6>that I love to do, you know, work with actors,

1:46:26.880 --> 1:46:33.080
<v Speaker 6>work with people, create like a positive, safe environment where

1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:35.840
<v Speaker 6>people can sort of shine and do their best. I

1:46:35.840 --> 1:46:38.960
<v Speaker 6>mean that sounds so ridiculously lofty, but I just I

1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:42.679
<v Speaker 6>like people and I like you know, it's uh, I

1:46:42.720 --> 1:46:47.679
<v Speaker 6>love you know, making almost love was. It nearly killed

1:46:47.720 --> 1:46:50.680
<v Speaker 6>me because it was so intense and so hard. But like,

1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:55.840
<v Speaker 6>I've never been so energized and present and happy than

1:46:56.120 --> 1:46:57.479
<v Speaker 6>in that month that we shot that.

1:46:58.479 --> 1:47:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's awesome. You should direct it, gon sp you

1:47:01.520 --> 1:47:02.559
<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what.

1:47:04.360 --> 1:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>You know. That's Chad Lowe's first directing was I know, yes,

1:47:09.760 --> 1:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>now he directs all over the all over the place.

1:47:12.600 --> 1:47:13.760
<v Speaker 5>I know he's such a good guy.

1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:14.439
<v Speaker 3>Wait, do you.

1:47:14.360 --> 1:47:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Want to tell us really about also about the Accidental Wolf?

1:47:17.280 --> 1:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Is what that's like? A oh project that's going on

1:47:20.800 --> 1:47:21.200
<v Speaker 1>for you?

1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:22.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:26.320
<v Speaker 6>So The Accidental Wolf was created by Arian Moyett, who

1:47:26.640 --> 1:47:29.160
<v Speaker 6>is Stewie on Succession.

1:47:29.800 --> 1:47:31.439
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were going to say family guy and

1:47:31.479 --> 1:47:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no way.

1:47:34.160 --> 1:47:38.439
<v Speaker 6>Stewie right, Yeah, he's Stewie and he's an amazing you know,

1:47:38.520 --> 1:47:41.400
<v Speaker 6>he's nominated for Tony for his work on Broadway.

1:47:41.479 --> 1:47:42.040
<v Speaker 5>Years ago.

1:47:42.280 --> 1:47:47.559
<v Speaker 6>He had this idea for this thriller series and he's like,

1:47:47.880 --> 1:47:49.439
<v Speaker 6>here's the pilot script, Kelly.

1:47:49.280 --> 1:47:51.559
<v Speaker 5>O'Hara is going to play your wife. You're this couple

1:47:51.640 --> 1:47:52.639
<v Speaker 5>that gets sort of.

1:47:54.160 --> 1:47:58.320
<v Speaker 6>Pulled into what appears to be like a phone scam,

1:47:58.479 --> 1:48:03.360
<v Speaker 6>but it's actually it's actually a bigger web of intrigue

1:48:03.720 --> 1:48:08.040
<v Speaker 6>that he was able to raise the money and develop

1:48:08.200 --> 1:48:12.960
<v Speaker 6>into three seasons with a remarkable cast, like it's Kelly

1:48:13.000 --> 1:48:18.000
<v Speaker 6>O'Hara and Judith White plays my mom, and Dennis O'Hare

1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:24.400
<v Speaker 6>and Lorie Metcalf. It's like a who's who, like Arian

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<v Speaker 6>talk about people, who knows people and like has a

1:48:28.479 --> 1:48:31.600
<v Speaker 6>lot of friends. Arian is like fantastic because he's just

1:48:31.680 --> 1:48:34.639
<v Speaker 6>an amazing guy and people are like, yeah, come out

1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:37.400
<v Speaker 6>for you know, one hundred and fifty bucks and play

1:48:37.439 --> 1:48:41.160
<v Speaker 6>for a day or whatever. And so season three takes

1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:46.320
<v Speaker 6>us deeper into this web. Kelly, who's my wife, is

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<v Speaker 6>trying to rescue the person that she perceives to be

1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:53.680
<v Speaker 6>at the end of this fake scam phone call. I

1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:58.679
<v Speaker 6>play her husband, Bradley, who's a real douchebag.

1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:03.560
<v Speaker 5>Running for congress and uh, but it's uh.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a high stakes, high action, high octane thriller on Topic,

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<v Speaker 6>which was just one of the new streaming services that

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<v Speaker 6>I think people will enjoy it. It's like it's very

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<v Speaker 6>digestible in that like it moves very quickly, very like

1:49:20.200 --> 1:49:24.840
<v Speaker 6>short sort of chapters that you know that are sort

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<v Speaker 6>of you know, compel you to press next episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, Yeah, binge able love that. We had a blast

1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>talking to you. I feel like we could talk to

1:49:35.400 --> 1:49:39.280
<v Speaker 2>you for another two hours, but sous talked to you.

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<v Speaker 5>It has such a fun walk down memory lane.

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<v Speaker 4>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you and thank you for all the tidbits and

1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:48.160
<v Speaker 2>little moments because we we don't always get those, so

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for so elsteners.

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<v Speaker 3>Are going to love that stuff. So that's awesome. Thank

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<v Speaker 3>you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and the show is great.

1:49:54.439 --> 1:49:56.800
<v Speaker 6>I listened to I listened to a couple episodes before

1:49:56.800 --> 1:49:58.439
<v Speaker 6>I came on, and you know, just so I get

1:49:58.479 --> 1:50:00.880
<v Speaker 6>a sense and like you have you know, a it's

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<v Speaker 6>a you have a nice h dynamic and before and

1:50:04.720 --> 1:50:08.439
<v Speaker 6>like you get your guests to say some great and

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<v Speaker 6>hopefully not two incriminating things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Do you think we can hang out with him?

1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:17.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1:50:17.800 --> 1:50:19.960
<v Speaker 3>It feels I mean we have a mutual friend. It

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<v Speaker 3>feels like we could. I don't know.

1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>He's so cool, creative, looks amazing for his age, fun, charismatic,

1:50:27.240 --> 1:50:30.759
<v Speaker 2>No wonder he's so popular, great memory and an overall

1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:34.160
<v Speaker 2>great guest. Yeah, I mean, well, it's annoying. We can't

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<v Speaker 2>say he's a cast member because.

1:50:35.280 --> 1:50:37.840
<v Speaker 1>He is no full Yeah, you have a cast member,

1:50:37.840 --> 1:50:39.760
<v Speaker 1>but just not in the let's just say not in

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<v Speaker 1>the opening pack shot.

1:50:40.960 --> 1:50:42.080
<v Speaker 3>Never in the opening shot.

1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:44.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I'm sure the deal wasn't as good listen

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<v Speaker 2>as someone that's now a guests are not a recurring

1:50:47.320 --> 1:50:48.120
<v Speaker 2>there's a difference.

1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:52.960
<v Speaker 3>But ah, in our heart he is the cast. What

1:50:53.000 --> 1:50:55.759
<v Speaker 3>am I even saying? I don't even know anymore? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well that was it was just a treat.

1:50:58.680 --> 1:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this episode, listen, I appreciate that s few

1:51:03.120 --> 1:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>has been on for twenty four seasons. I think they

1:51:05.000 --> 1:51:06.760
<v Speaker 1>can drive a little bit off the side of the

1:51:06.800 --> 1:51:09.559
<v Speaker 1>road sometimes, and that's definitely what this episode is. It's

1:51:09.640 --> 1:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>like the wildest, most unhinged twists.

1:51:14.560 --> 1:51:16.479
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just want to know what Neil Bahar

1:51:16.520 --> 1:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and everyone was thinking of, like, we need a stucky,

1:51:19.160 --> 1:51:21.880
<v Speaker 2>we need someone to drive, Like, I wonder what the

1:51:21.960 --> 1:51:25.200
<v Speaker 2>discussion was, what the motivation was to have someone so

1:51:25.320 --> 1:51:30.599
<v Speaker 2>annoying and incompetent and an evil break like and why

1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>they really wanted to kill someone because it was the

1:51:33.040 --> 1:51:36.280
<v Speaker 2>season finale, so they really wanted to end with a bang,

1:51:36.360 --> 1:51:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Like I wonder if there was a lot of discussion.

1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just it's interesting how they decided to irk all

1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the detectives.

1:51:44.000 --> 1:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Was Stucky, Yes, Yeah, how they brought in this like

1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:52.240
<v Speaker 1>truly cartoonish character and then made him not only the

1:51:52.280 --> 1:51:55.479
<v Speaker 1>wildest like attitude in person, but then also made him

1:51:55.479 --> 1:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a murderer and a full psychopath. But I guess, you know,

1:52:00.120 --> 1:52:02.479
<v Speaker 1>he's an example of of what happens when you bully

1:52:02.520 --> 1:52:05.320
<v Speaker 1>someone too much. I suppose everybody, Uh, just be a

1:52:05.320 --> 1:52:07.439
<v Speaker 1>little kinder to the Stucky in your life or they'll

1:52:07.439 --> 1:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>probably kill you.

1:52:10.240 --> 1:52:10.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:52:10.439 --> 1:52:13.599
<v Speaker 2>But he was unwilling to learn either, because it was

1:52:13.680 --> 1:52:17.599
<v Speaker 2>like he was rude in other episodes and Sailor kept

1:52:17.600 --> 1:52:19.679
<v Speaker 2>trying to help him, like, yeah, can you not make

1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:22.040
<v Speaker 2>fun of the baby in the shallow grave please, like

1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:24.000
<v Speaker 2>stop hitting her with the shovel.

1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:25.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then he.

1:52:25.760 --> 1:52:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Does it again and it's like, ah, the camera's bullshit.

1:52:29.000 --> 1:52:32.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like he keeps not learning because if

1:52:32.520 --> 1:52:35.840
<v Speaker 2>he was annoying but was like got it boss and

1:52:35.920 --> 1:52:36.760
<v Speaker 2>changed or.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he doesn't have the sensitivity chip.

1:52:39.200 --> 1:52:41.320
<v Speaker 1>You know how Jennifer Aniston used to say Brad Pitt

1:52:41.360 --> 1:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was like missing a sensitivity chip or something like that.

1:52:43.720 --> 1:52:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that's what Stucky's missing as well, doesn't have it.

1:52:47.000 --> 1:52:49.479
<v Speaker 2>I forgot about that. That wasn't that was a big

1:52:49.600 --> 1:52:54.840
<v Speaker 2>pop culture, big moment. That was a huge moment that

1:52:54.920 --> 1:52:57.720
<v Speaker 2>he fucking left her. I bet he regrets it. Well, no,

1:52:57.760 --> 1:52:59.280
<v Speaker 2>because now he has all these kids. I'm sure he

1:52:59.320 --> 1:53:01.559
<v Speaker 2>really loves but I bet he regrets what he did

1:53:01.600 --> 1:53:06.559
<v Speaker 2>to Aniston now that he's like, yeah, an alcoholic with

1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:07.600
<v Speaker 2>terrible tattoos.

1:53:07.680 --> 1:53:11.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, who's like in a lawsuit with his wife

1:53:11.720 --> 1:53:15.360
<v Speaker 3>over their vineyard. Yeah. Yeah.

1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know what other post mortem like takeaways

1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:22.160
<v Speaker 1>we have from this episode, because it is so I

1:53:22.160 --> 1:53:22.720
<v Speaker 1>guess know.

1:53:22.760 --> 1:53:25.679
<v Speaker 2>Your friends know your friends, and if someone says they're

1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:28.800
<v Speaker 2>eating something they shouldn't be eating, you call the authorities

1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>if someone's not there or answering. Yeah, but that happened

1:53:32.360 --> 1:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>once where you weren't answering any calls or texts, and

1:53:37.160 --> 1:53:39.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Jared was either, And I got into

1:53:39.400 --> 1:53:41.040
<v Speaker 2>my car to drive to your house, and then finally

1:53:41.120 --> 1:53:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Jared's like, she's sleeping and I went, okay, well that's fine,

1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:47.200
<v Speaker 2>but it just doesn't make sense to what her person.

1:53:47.400 --> 1:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>So I got in my car to go to your house.

1:53:49.840 --> 1:53:51.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what was gonna happen.

1:53:51.160 --> 1:53:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I love it you were gonna face off against my stucky.

1:53:54.200 --> 1:53:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Kind of well, because you know, if I slept in

1:53:56.800 --> 1:53:58.519
<v Speaker 2>it would be a little different. But for you because

1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:01.040
<v Speaker 2>it was also in the afternoon, so you would have

1:54:01.160 --> 1:54:03.120
<v Speaker 2>but you were sick, you had COVID or something. Yeah,

1:54:03.160 --> 1:54:07.960
<v Speaker 2>it made sense. But once finally Jared was able to respond.

1:54:08.160 --> 1:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>But in that moment, I was like, something, something's up.

1:54:11.720 --> 1:54:15.120
<v Speaker 2>That's so funny. I was calling Lauren. I was like,

1:54:15.160 --> 1:54:17.920
<v Speaker 2>do you know what's going on? And you were just

1:54:18.000 --> 1:54:20.760
<v Speaker 2>like sleeping, which is a normal human activity.

1:54:21.240 --> 1:54:23.760
<v Speaker 3>Everyone deserves rest. I just it was not.

1:54:24.040 --> 1:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I am usually quite responsive and I'm usually never sleeping,

1:54:27.000 --> 1:54:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and I usually have COVID too, So yeah, it's it

1:54:29.680 --> 1:54:30.599
<v Speaker 2>was a weird combo.

1:54:31.160 --> 1:54:34.560
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, also, I mean, I don't know. This episode

1:54:34.600 --> 1:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>did have a lot of like there was like some

1:54:38.760 --> 1:54:41.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, there was a lot about mental illness that

1:54:41.040 --> 1:54:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that is really it brought a lot of that to light.

1:54:44.320 --> 1:54:46.120
<v Speaker 3>That was Oh, it's scary.

1:54:45.760 --> 1:54:49.120
<v Speaker 2>And sad, and this is a controversial take, so you know,

1:54:49.240 --> 1:54:52.160
<v Speaker 2>but you know a lot of the people commenting about

1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Kanye is very much like mental health issues do not

1:54:56.240 --> 1:54:59.640
<v Speaker 2>make you anti black and anti Semitic and and you know,

1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:02.200
<v Speaker 2>miss agist or whatever. But then it's like if you

1:55:02.280 --> 1:55:06.080
<v Speaker 2>are suffering from schizophrenia, it might make you those things,

1:55:06.120 --> 1:55:08.360
<v Speaker 2>like you might if you can think aliens are after

1:55:08.480 --> 1:55:13.080
<v Speaker 2>you or you know, satellites are following your every move?

1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:15.040
<v Speaker 3>Is that that big of a leap? And are we not?

1:55:15.520 --> 1:55:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1:55:15.840 --> 1:55:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Like why would that be?

1:55:16.720 --> 1:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>So if you think exactly if I agree with you, actually,

1:55:19.960 --> 1:55:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I think if you can think that aliens are following

1:55:23.600 --> 1:55:25.520
<v Speaker 1>people are following you, then why could you not think

1:55:25.600 --> 1:55:28.680
<v Speaker 1>that the Jews control the government? Like these are these

1:55:28.720 --> 1:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>are tidbits you've read somewhere on the internet by people

1:55:32.160 --> 1:55:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that are anti Semitic, and now you're like manifesting they're

1:55:35.080 --> 1:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>being manifested like into your mental illness. I feel like

1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know. It's the Kanye thing

1:55:42.320 --> 1:55:44.520
<v Speaker 1>is is like very fucked up and sad. I don't

1:55:44.520 --> 1:55:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I think we need to stop giving him a platform?

1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Is the problem?

1:55:46.720 --> 1:55:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's the thing. It's like stop letting him on

1:55:49.240 --> 1:55:51.680
<v Speaker 2>your shows. For each Yeah, guys like put you know,

1:55:51.840 --> 1:55:55.600
<v Speaker 2>he needs like a seventy two hour psychhold or something.

1:55:55.840 --> 1:55:56.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:55:56.560 --> 1:55:59.560
<v Speaker 2>But and I also understand the position of like people

1:55:59.600 --> 1:56:01.920
<v Speaker 2>that stuff for mental illness, being like, don't lump me

1:56:01.920 --> 1:56:04.160
<v Speaker 2>in with that guy, like I don't become racist.

1:56:04.360 --> 1:56:05.720
<v Speaker 3>You can't say that, sure that.

1:56:05.800 --> 1:56:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm also like, yeah, but you can't say it can't

1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:11.480
<v Speaker 2>lead to this, like who fucking knows?

1:56:11.680 --> 1:56:13.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't know, well, right, I don't think.

1:56:13.800 --> 1:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>We're saying like yeah, because I don't think anyone's saying

1:56:15.960 --> 1:56:19.240
<v Speaker 1>all mentally like mental illness is anything from like you know,

1:56:19.360 --> 1:56:21.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't it anything from like depression all the way to

1:56:21.600 --> 1:56:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like complete disassociative fugue states. I mean, like it's a spectrum.

1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:27.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, no, we're not. No one's trying to

1:56:27.480 --> 1:56:29.720
<v Speaker 1>lump anyone into any group, you know. I think it's

1:56:29.840 --> 1:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>like you're just I do think it's possible that part

1:56:33.520 --> 1:56:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of this is or that that maybe he does have

1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:40.920
<v Speaker 1>these feelings somewhat deep down, but he's not like but

1:56:40.920 --> 1:56:44.240
<v Speaker 1>but the mental illness is exacerbating like how vocal he's being,

1:56:44.360 --> 1:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>how how violent he's being about.

1:56:46.160 --> 1:56:48.400
<v Speaker 2>It, Whereas I with you or someone else that we

1:56:48.400 --> 1:56:51.680
<v Speaker 2>were talking about, someone that ended up having Alzheimer's or

1:56:51.680 --> 1:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>a stroke, and after the stroke they just couldn't keep

1:56:54.000 --> 1:56:56.560
<v Speaker 2>their inner thoughts in her anymore.

1:56:56.680 --> 1:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Me Me, I have a family friend who had a stroke,

1:57:00.040 --> 1:57:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and like, after he had a stroke, he just started

1:57:02.200 --> 1:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>saying everything he thought like no small, like any small

1:57:06.680 --> 1:57:09.040
<v Speaker 1>fleeting thought that you'd be like, wow, thank god, no

1:57:09.040 --> 1:57:10.800
<v Speaker 1>one can get into my mind. He was just pushing

1:57:10.840 --> 1:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>them all out. So yeah, and that's from a stroke,

1:57:13.720 --> 1:57:15.280
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, like, I don't know things happen.

1:57:15.520 --> 1:57:17.600
<v Speaker 1>The brain is a complex thing.

1:57:18.440 --> 1:57:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:57:19.040 --> 1:57:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I just stopped fucking with him years ago. Yeah, I

1:57:22.320 --> 1:57:25.720
<v Speaker 2>guess the people that are newly distraught, it's like weird

1:57:25.720 --> 1:57:28.720
<v Speaker 2>gi he was before, he was antimic, antisemitic, he was

1:57:28.760 --> 1:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like a narcissist asshole, Like I haven't liked him for

1:57:31.360 --> 1:57:36.640
<v Speaker 2>a long time. Yeah, yeah, but you know whatever.

1:57:36.840 --> 1:57:39.440
<v Speaker 3>But yes, we're giving him a platform now, yeah, we're

1:57:39.440 --> 1:57:41.120
<v Speaker 3>giving let's go.

1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:43.360
<v Speaker 1>But this leads us right into Sister Peg or what

1:57:43.360 --> 1:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>would Sister Peg do? Segment, which you guys know is

1:57:46.320 --> 1:57:48.440
<v Speaker 1>every week we try to give you guys an organization,

1:57:48.600 --> 1:57:51.520
<v Speaker 1>a book, an article, a podcast, something to help you

1:57:51.560 --> 1:57:54.400
<v Speaker 1>know inform more of what we talked about in today's episode,

1:57:54.440 --> 1:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>and this week we would like to point you towards

1:57:56.720 --> 1:58:01.240
<v Speaker 1>the Treatment Advocacy Center, who's stated is to quote eliminate

1:58:01.280 --> 1:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>barriers to the treatment of mental illness, and the organization

1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>does a lot. They've created a manual for mental health

1:58:07.320 --> 1:58:10.600
<v Speaker 1>professionals who are implementing assisted outpatient treatment that we talked

1:58:10.600 --> 1:58:14.600
<v Speaker 1>about in the Kendrew webdail case. They offer volunteer opportunities

1:58:14.640 --> 1:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>and they advocate for the decriminalization of mental illness. And

1:58:17.920 --> 1:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>if you want more information about them, go over to

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for that.

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<v Speaker 2>And next week, our first time ever, we're doing a doubleheader,

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<v Speaker 2>double episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta us double the homework, guys, schedule it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the holidays, You're gonna have some extra time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Season seventeen, episodes twenty two and twenty three, intersecting lives

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<v Speaker 2>and heartfelt passages, enjoy and feel sad, have fun, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much to our producer Kac O'Brien, and to.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mixer John Bradley and our guest booker Patrick Cottner.

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<v Speaker 2>And to Henry Kaperski for our theme song and Carly

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<v Speaker 2>gen Andrews for our artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you to our executive producers Georgia hard Start, Karen Kilgareff,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Kramer, and everybody at Exactly Right Media.

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