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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number sixty

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Speaker 1: four tall In the show, we're diving deep into the

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Speaker 1: deer hunting secrets of renowned big buck hunter and host

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Speaker 1: of White Tail Freaks TV. Don Kiski. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Sick of Gear and has been the case lately. We've

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Speaker 1: got another awesome guest on tap today. That's Don Kisski.

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Speaker 1: And if you've watched any outdoor TV or DVDs over

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Speaker 1: the last ten years or so, you're likely familiar with Don.

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Speaker 1: But if you're not, you know he along with his

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Speaker 1: wife Candy, host the show white Tail Freaks TV, and

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Speaker 1: they've also showed up on a number of other programs

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Speaker 1: and DVDs over the years. But most importantly, Don and

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Speaker 1: his family simply know how to kill big, mature bucks,

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Speaker 1: and on an incredibly consistent basis. It's pretty amazing. Every

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Speaker 1: year I just see Don and his crew putting on

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Speaker 1: putting down big deer, just year after years. So today,

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Speaker 1: our plan is to grill Don on all things white tail,

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Speaker 1: and by the end of this interview, my hope is

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Speaker 1: that we'll have an in depth peak into all of

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Speaker 1: Don's philosophies when it comes to growing and killing giant

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Speaker 1: mature white tails, and hopefully we're all going to learn

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Speaker 1: a thing or two that we can apply to wherever

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Speaker 1: we hunt, whether that's you know, in the Big Buck

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Speaker 1: Mecca of southern Iowa, or in the rolling Appalachian Hills

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Speaker 1: of Virginia, or southern Michigan or Georgia, wherever it is.

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Speaker 1: I think all Bill learned something today. So before we

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Speaker 1: get down on the phone, though, Mr co host Dan Johnson,

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Speaker 1: you and me, we've got a few things to catch

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Speaker 1: up on, right right, But before we catch up on something,

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Speaker 1: I would like to tell you about a dream I

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Speaker 1: had last night. Please do Okay? So when I got

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Speaker 1: home from work today, I went right to the fridge

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Speaker 1: and I ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Made

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Speaker 1: a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Okay, is this the dreamer?

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Speaker 1: Is this real life? This is real life? But the

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Speaker 1: reason I made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich after

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Speaker 1: I got off work today was because of my dream

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Speaker 1: last night. All right, So I'm in the tree stand right,

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Speaker 1: and I'm holding my bow in one hand and a

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Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly sandwich in the other hand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the craziest dreams I've had in

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Speaker 1: a long time. But for some reason, this seems like

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Speaker 1: normal for you, Like I'm not surprised that you have

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Speaker 1: a dream about getting a PB and j wil hunting right, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I got more than normal sleep last night. I got

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Speaker 1: about like six and a half hours of sleep last

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Speaker 1: night as opposed to four or five. Good, right, so

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Speaker 1: it gave me time to dream. Anyway, A deer like

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Speaker 1: this big buck comes up this ridge and it's in

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Speaker 1: a place that I recognize in my dream. It's actually

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Speaker 1: a place Where'm gonna be setting a tree stay in

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Speaker 1: this uh this August. And this deer is wearing a

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Speaker 1: gold chain like like like rappers do, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know why. So so like he's coming up this draw

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Speaker 1: and I'm debating on whether to take another bite of

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Speaker 1: the good the cool thing about dreams is you know

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Speaker 1: they're not based on reality. At all. So the deer

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Speaker 1: comes right in through one of my shooting lands lanes.

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Speaker 1: I throw the peanut butter and jelly sandwich up in

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Speaker 1: the air, draw back my bow, shoot the buck, catch

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Speaker 1: the sandwich, and take a bite of the sandwich in

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Speaker 1: this like one awesome movement. That's the most amazing thing

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Speaker 1: is a dream that I will remember, and it's actually

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Speaker 1: probably something I'm gonna practice if you can pull that

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Speaker 1: off the one hand, peanut butter, jelly throwshoot, catch bite.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, what did you eat last night before you

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Speaker 1: went to bed? Chicken breast and uh, green beans? That

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Speaker 1: was what we had for supper's and lsd well. That

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Speaker 1: explains probably, that explains that. Oh juice, that's a heck

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Speaker 1: of a dream. I still don't know where I found you,

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Speaker 1: Like how this all happened. Remember that time you gave

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Speaker 1: a crazy dream. And since we last chatted, you also

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Speaker 1: checked your trail cameras. And I'm particularly interested and excited

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Speaker 1: So I saw a little bit online. But can you

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Speaker 1: feel us on how that camera poll went. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. I had some decent bucks on camera. There

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Speaker 1: are three deer ones a six year old, one is

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Speaker 1: history with two of them. One one is Ryan Iberg.

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Speaker 1: like a hundred and that Now he's another really good

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of mass, and he's a four year old.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he a three year ol last year? And he's

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Speaker 1: a four year old this year? Three old last year,

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Speaker 1: of my last card pool that had all the junk

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Speaker 1: on the basis. Oh is that uh dork? Yep? I

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Speaker 1: call him dork. Yeah, that's a cool buck. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like that funky stuff. Yep, just a mainframe eight with

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Speaker 1: I've I believe I saw him at a distance one

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Speaker 1: time last year, and other than that, every trail camera

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Speaker 1: it's still you know, trying to find the right pinch

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Speaker 1: So it's, uh, it's gonna take some scouting and some effort.

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Speaker 1: I hope this is the year though, now that especially

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Speaker 1: this year, you get to hunt yourself a lot more.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see the story of Ryan Iberg

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Speaker 1: That would just be so awesome. Yeah, but you know,

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Speaker 1: card pool because last year I had literally my best

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Speaker 1: and actually you know points or a score of deer,

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Speaker 1: I might actually if I have to wear a Michigan

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Speaker 1: about it either, Dan. I know, I'm a man and

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Speaker 1: So there's a total chance I could completely blink since

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to check them at all. Or

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have six pictures and it's three of me

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Speaker 1: too we'd have we'd have some issues if that was

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Speaker 1: to the important stuff. As you know, you and I

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Speaker 1: place out. Well, I finally got to do that this weekend,

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Speaker 1: and it's been kind of a little bit of a debacle.

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Speaker 1: We we originally planned to go out and do this

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Speaker 1: to make the trip. And then finally this most recent trip,

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Speaker 1: as I told you before I went, I found a

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Speaker 1: And this trail was supposed to be eight and a

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Speaker 1: thought we were lost. And man, I've done a lot

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Speaker 1: our butts and my dog got injured. His feet are

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Speaker 1: like I said, we never made it to the lake.

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Speaker 1: And I finally got up into the general area of it,

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Speaker 1: still hadn't got two lakes. We we just need to stop,

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Speaker 1: so we pull off. And then I hiked even further

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Speaker 1: scouted all the hillsides, all the mountain basins, everything. I

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Speaker 1: for a meeting. So in general, the scouting trip is

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Speaker 1: an absolute debacle. And and this is the first I

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Speaker 1: field that I've been taking this picture, I just put

430
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: it two or three bluet of corn out where it's

431
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: legal here, and I well, you can do that or

432
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: put them over mineral lecks is a great spot too

433
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: that we septise cameras up. Like I said, you can

434
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: probably take almost a percent of my bucks. I'll take

435
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: over a mineral lick or a corn pop in the summertime.

436
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: So it's just a supertol to to know all your dear,

437
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: But I don't put any faith in that at all

438
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: until I start taking pictures of those deer come fall

439
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: more towards September and then you can start paying attention

440
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: to where you're taking the pictures at. Yeah, do you

441
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: have any There's lots of different We've talked to a

442
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: number of different people that kind of talk about the

443
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: whole risk reward piece of trail cameras. And there's obvious

444
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: the reward of learning something, but then there's also the

445
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: risk of educating deer whenever you go in there to

446
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: check them. Um, you know, what's your take on that?

447
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: How often are checking the cameras? Is there any certain

448
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: things that you do to minimize that risk? You know,

449
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: in the summertime, I don't even worry about it. My

450
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: little girl half time is on my bad Boy bug

451
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: you with me, and she's walking around with bare feet.

452
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: You can get by with anything in the summertime. You know,

453
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: I've taken pictures of booners right after she's been walking

454
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: around or right after I've been there. It's a little

455
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: different come hunting season, but in the summer you don't

456
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: have to worry about that as much. I will check

457
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: these cameras probably, I'm just guessing every three days. I

458
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: probably have seven or eight hundred photos on every camera,

459
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: and probably running thirty cameras as a full time job

460
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: doing it. But there's no really science to it. Just

461
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: I probably have at least probably a camera out per

462
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: hundred acres taking him in toward him, your deer. You've

463
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: gotta be careful not having enough cameras out. For sure,

464
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: I get pretty stuck in their summertime patterns and sometimes

465
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: just a quarter mile away, they won't ever walk into

466
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: that field, So you gotta make sure you have plenty

467
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: of them out. So then how does that shift then

468
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 1: once you get closer to hunting season, are actually during

469
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: the hunting season, how does what do you what changes

470
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to cameras for you? Yeah, to come

471
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: hunting season, I totally switched all my cameras onto scrapes

472
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: and pinch points and filled edges and things like that,

473
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: places where I you know, I can check that camera.

474
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: It's gonna actually help me in the hunting situation. Now

475
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: I'm not just taking inventory now now I'm trying to

476
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: see what he's doing, what time they hopefully what time

477
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: he's coming through, which seldom works for you. But uh,

478
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: like I said, the scrapes, you can take the inventory

479
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: of all your gear bucks on scrapes, it's a great

480
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: way to to get a good look at him. So

481
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: another really cool thing we're doing in the second movies

482
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: of these deer over scrapes so you can get some

483
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: really cool footage. Yeah, I think, Um, that's been one

484
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: of the things that you know, we again, I keep

485
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: on thinking back to some these more recent interviews we've

486
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: talked about. The scrapes are awesome for pictures. Um, do

487
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: you have any issue or have you noticed any issues

488
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: when once you mentioned the fact with the video? Have

489
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: you seen any reactions to your cameras from deer any

490
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: negative reactions? Are you spooking any deer with those when

491
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: when the film's taking or are your dear relatively habituated

492
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, when you start taking the movies of the deer,

493
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: it's not like you just have an inferences come on

494
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: for a second and then takes a picture. Now you're

495
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: inferreds on that camera coming on, staying on, and they

496
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: can get a little goofy on them. You're not gonna

497
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: run out of the country. But I've seen them take

498
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: off and come back you know ten minutes later. Eventually

499
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: they'll get used to it. They'll see the red light

500
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: come on and no kind of settle down. But I

501
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't be too concerned about blowing a deer clear out

502
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: of the country by using cameras. I've never seen that happen.

503
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: So okay, So, so Dan, You're you're pretty quiet over there.

504
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: Um being a being a Southern Iowa hunter yourself, what

505
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on these scouting scouting techniques that downs

506
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: mentions of our I have a I have a question

507
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: regarding pressure on your properties. Um, Now you're a farmer.

508
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Do any of your farms have of livestock on them?

509
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: And if so, how does that livestock affect dear dear movement. Yeah,

510
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: some of my farmers doing have live Stockholm because there's

511
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: a ground that I leased and they have the farmers

512
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: run cattle. Most of the farmers they got the cattle

513
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: out September one. But I'm not a big fan of

514
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: of having the cattle in there. Yeah, they all co

515
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: exist together, but it's not the best thing to have. Um.

516
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: With that being said, I mean some of my best

517
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: spots were places in cattle pastures, you know, So I

518
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't It's not a big detriment. But if I could,

519
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: if I have my perfect world, I would definitely not

520
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: have the cattle in there. But come unting season, do

521
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: you have do you ever actually, I was gonna say,

522
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: do you ever actually see them actually dear or mature

523
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: bucks using parts of the property where the cattle are

524
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: actually present? From from my personal experience, I've seen, you know,

525
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, they will still use those areas if

526
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: the cattle are in the general area. But like if

527
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of cattle within a hundred yards of

528
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: me and I'm seeing the cattle, I personally haven't seen

529
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: deer moving through there. But have you actually seen them

530
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: when the cows are there? I have. I've actually shot

531
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: deer and I've had cows in sight within fifth yard

532
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: in my stand. But it's not the best situation. It

533
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. Um, you know, I have seen

534
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: him a lot of time. During the rut. These bucks

535
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: will blow these doughs out in the middle of these

536
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: weird spots like cattle pastures, and that's a lot of

537
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: times those areas can really heat up because they're blowing

538
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: the dos out. Now the good spots out of the

539
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: places like my farm has got all these food pots, well,

540
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: they'll end up on the neighbor over there that's got

541
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: cattle everywhere, and one little skinny dish up through it.

542
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: One last where you'll see a big buck with the dough,

543
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: but he blew a route there because there's no other

544
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: deer there. Yeah. So one last thing on taking a

545
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: step back on scouting. Um during the season, other than

546
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: trail cameras, are you doing any of the observation type

547
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: scouting during the season. Are you, you know, sitting on

548
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: a road you are? Can you tell us about that? Well,

549
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: during bow season we don't do much because the morning

550
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: and night we're hunting all, you know, all through the

551
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: season until late season comes and that's when we start

552
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: doing a lot of scouting in the mornings and evenings. Uh,

553
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: you know at the distance, was watching which pop the

554
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: deer coming out on and uh sometimes in the mornings

555
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: late season is not as good, so it's a good

556
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: time to go scouting. We just get on a high

557
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: spot and overlook the whole country and and try to

558
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 1: get an idea of what the deer doing. A perfect

559
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: example of that was a buddy of mine, Jacob Landry,

560
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: and I was hunting and we saw this buck come in.

561
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: There's a big old one eighty buck come in in

562
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: bed and I couldn't get a shot aim in the morning.

563
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: But if we wouldn't have been out there. It wasn't

564
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: a perfect tree stand to be setting in, but it

565
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: was a good one for obbositevation. So we saw this buck.

566
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: He betted end up, got lucky that night and come

567
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: back around and it actually killed that deer later. So

568
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: you need to be out there no matter what. Even

569
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: if the deer aren't moving, you need to be scouting

570
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: for him. I have a quick question about about your

571
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: scouting tactic and are you are you staying out Are

572
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: there any areas that you're staying out of We've had

573
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: We've had some guests in the past say they go

574
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: about business as usual, they don't worry about going into

575
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: and spooking deer because in a way the deer conditioned.

576
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: And then we've had guests in the past say, no,

577
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: we're not even stepping foot in there except to hunt right.

578
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: What's your tactic on that. Well, I'm not as I'm

579
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: not as bad as some people are, and I agree

580
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who won't step foot on

581
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: certain pieces of property. I do hunt it right, and

582
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: I try to wait for the right time to step

583
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: into some of these, and I try to be as

584
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: low impact as absolutely possible. And by that I mean

585
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: my entries and my access to my tree stands or

586
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: through a ditch or a creek where nothing can see

587
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: and nothing smells if you don't lay cent trails. So

588
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm super careful in that regard. But there's not really

589
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: any property I can see this all flamits No. What

590
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: about something you mentioned there when you said you're hunting

591
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: hunting right and timing I think is part of that.

592
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: And when he came, when it come the late season,

593
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: you had mentioned that maybe you're just gonna scout in

594
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: the mornings rather than hunt them. Can you tell us,

595
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, are there any other parts of the year

596
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: where you hunt certain times or don't hunt certain times,

597
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: or focus your efforts in a certain type of place

598
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: based on the heap of year? Well more so, yeah,

599
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean early season. Is it's all about food all

600
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: October on, I'm concentrating solely on the food sources in

601
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: the evenings, only the betting areas in the mornings, and

602
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: then as you tightened down and get close to when

603
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: the does are starting to come in, I'm really focusing

604
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: on the morning betting areas because that's where they're bumping

605
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: all the dos. And I'll try to pick stands where

606
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I can see further and do call in and rattle

607
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: and stuff like that so you can get there to

608
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: respond to you. And then later in the season you

609
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of move into a different strategy where you're tucking

610
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: back into the tightest, heaviest betting areas you can find.

611
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: And again late season you move back into the food

612
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 1: so it all changes. Yes, oh you're long, you know.

613
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: Are you hunting mornings like starting the first of October? Well,

614
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: usually I'm combined, but if it's wet, yes we will

615
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: hunt mornings. However, it's not it's very, very tough. That's

616
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: not my favorite time, the first two weeks of October

617
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 1: hunting in the mornings. My personal opinion of this is

618
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: not good. But I have not got tons of experience

619
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: hunting because I'm always combined. So when let's let's say

620
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: you do hunt there, there there's a situation. Can you

621
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: can you explain in detail a situation where you might

622
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: be hunting mornings in only season in October? Yes, in October, Well,

623
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: I just uh, again, I'm seeing these deer come out.

624
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I know where they're coming out and where they're coming

625
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: to you on the trail cameras and stuff, or from scouting,

626
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: so I know the general direction are betting. And then

627
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: from having this farm for so many years, I just

628
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: got a good idea where all the great betting areas are.

629
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: So it's just pretty simple. I'm just backing up trying

630
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: to catch him before you know, it gets uh, it

631
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: gets light, before it gets dark. They catch him in

632
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: the daylight. That ways they're coming through. The hard thing

633
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: about the early season is sometimes they're already back to

634
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: the bedding area, you know, before the sun even comes up,

635
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: so it's extremely hard to beat him in there. That's

636
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: what I found. Yeah, and the reason why Dan brings

637
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: this up. This is a long and ongoing debate between

638
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Dan and myself about the risk versus reward of hunting

639
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: those early October mornings. And it seems to be every

640
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: person we talked to has got different take on it,

641
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: and and me and Dan are constantly kind of evolving

642
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: in our thoughts on October mornings too. But like you said,

643
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a tricky proposition and I've always not always,

644
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: but more recently have have leaned towards the fact that,

645
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: especially in some of the places like where I hunt,

646
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: that are pretty high heavily pressured, you know, the risk

647
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: seems in some cases much greater than the potential reward because,

648
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,239
Speaker 1: like you said, don lots of times these bucks are

649
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: back into their beds before daylight. Even so exactly, something

650
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: that's kind of un affair is the fact that we

651
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: do have so much ground, hime, and I can afford

652
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: to mess up, you know, some ground. But for the

653
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: guy who has a hundred or two hundred acres and

654
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: that's all he's got to hunt, you can have to

655
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: be a lot more careful about, like you say, when

656
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: you go in and if you're gonna bump them in

657
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: the mornings, because you've got to continually hunt that same property. Well,

658
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I can bump over here to another farm. I don't

659
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: have to keep hunting that same property. We might bounce

660
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: from this farm at once. I will be back for

661
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: four or five days. Yeah, so we really keep on this.

662
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: I was hoping you would say, yeah, we hunt every morning,

663
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: so I could rub it in Mark's fain. Well, I

664
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: want to, but always have to work too. Yeah, if

665
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm not harvesting. I'm hunting out there no matter what. Yes. Now,

666
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Speaker 1: before we move on to the next question for done,

667
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671
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672
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674
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681
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683
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685
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686
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687
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711
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712
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Speaker 1: probably won't win, but I'm gonna send out there anyways,

713
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,799
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714
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717
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Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's more to come. So now back

718
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: to Don in the show, so interesting thing you mentioned

719
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: the fact that you do have a lot of options.

720
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: Does that change? Are you much more aggressive because of

721
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the fact that you know you can blow things out

722
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: and still have other options? Absolutely? Yeah, I'll go for it.

723
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: You know I'm not. I don't get stupid sometimes, but

724
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: I will probably do more than most guys would just

725
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: for the fact, if I mess up, I've got another

726
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: one I can go chase. Yeah, you can. You share this.

727
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: How much land you you do have access to? O curiosity, Well,

728
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: right now we own about thousand and at least another

729
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: three thousand, so about four thousand nakers, So you do

730
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: have options, have a few options. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome.

731
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: That's on property. Then in regards to hanging your tree stands,

732
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: are all your tree stands hung before the season even

733
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: starts or are you micro manage your manager tree stand

734
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: placement based on that year? We do based on that year.

735
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean they are all hung. But that's all I'm doing. Midday.

736
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: It seems like it's moving and changing. And you'd think

737
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I've been here for fifteen twenty years. I have that

738
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: figured out. I'm still every year the crop rotation changes,

739
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: neighbors plant something different, everything, you know, it's different, so

740
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: the deer do a little bit different things. That's that's

741
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: a good that's a good question because I want to

742
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: know this year, I have kind of noticed a trend

743
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: on some of my farms, and I have a gut

744
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: feeling it has to do with the rotation of the crops.

745
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: Can you explain kind of your your feelings on crop

746
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: rotation and how that might affect dear movement. Yeah, well,

747
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: it's just a huge thing crop rotation. You know, if

748
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: the neighbor has five acres of standing corn one year,

749
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: then the next year he doesn't get in, it's all

750
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: tall weeds and the habitat changes. That way, you get everything,

751
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: not only just crop rotation, but you get to the

752
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: mass crop, the acorns, whether it hit in the white

753
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: oaks or not. It's a it's a continual thing. So

754
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: just because one area's hot one year, it doesn't mean

755
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: it's going to be the next. I gotta keep a

756
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: close eye on the food sources for sure. So in

757
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: those cases where you do know so something is different,

758
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: it's during the season. Now, you mentioned that you're doing

759
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: your stand you know, relocations during the midday. I think

760
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned, but can you elaborate, you know, what is

761
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: your stand adjustment strategy look like during the season. You know,

762
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about when, what conditions you wait for,

763
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you're trimming lanes or not, or how

764
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: careful you're not or are being. What's that look like

765
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: for you? Yeah, I'm super careful as far as that goes.

766
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm not a big guy on trimman. You know, it's

767
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: cost me a lot of times on big bucks. I

768
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: don't go in there and just hack away things that

769
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: that never seems to pay off. When I do go

770
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: in there, I'll I usually want to do it by myself.

771
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: I won't even let Candy go with me. I'll take

772
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: the set down if it's in there, or take a

773
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: new set in. When I get to the base of

774
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: the tree, I'm putting the first few steps up and

775
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm not laying anything on the ground. I'm keeping as

776
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: careful as I can, as cent free as I can,

777
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: and getting up that tree. You know, you can't educate

778
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: these deer. If they smell that cent trail on that

779
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: first time in that maybe all it takes. And and again,

780
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: one of the things I'd like to say is a

781
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 1: lot of these places I access through the creeks and

782
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: through ditches, so it's a you know, I'm burger and anything.

783
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: So when I go in there, I know where I

784
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: want to hang a stand. I'm going right up the

785
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: middle of the ditch. I pop up the tree, and

786
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: I get out there there's no entry trail, And I

787
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: think that's really a big thing if you're gonna be

788
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: moving stands during the season. Yeah, I've I've done sometimes,

789
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, I've tried to. It's not always You're not

790
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: always able to do this, but sometimes wait for like

791
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: a slightly rainy day or a windy day to mask

792
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: my sound. Do you wait for certain days like that

793
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: or do you just go for it when you have to?

794
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: Know that really deaf my health? Do anything you can

795
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: if you can afford to wait for a rainy day,

796
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: for sure. I've even done it at night before. I

797
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: actually had Dale earned hard up on his last time,

798
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: and he wanted me to move a stands, so I

799
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: did at ten o'clock at night. And it works, So

800
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: you did. You gotta do whatever you have to do. Yeah,

801
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: So continue with stands now. I'm curious. Everyone kind of

802
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: has their own unique quirks when it comes to how

803
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: they like to set their stands. Uh, do you have

804
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: like a a set you know, I always liked my

805
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: stands at this height, and I always want to have

806
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: a ton of cover, and I set my tree stand

807
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: behind the way I went to deer. Do you have

808
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: a certain way that you like your stands hung or

809
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: is it always changing? No, it's kind of always changed.

810
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: But nobody hates my Everybody hates my stands. As I said,

811
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: I love to be on the back side of the tree.

812
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: I want to be able to hide. I just can't

813
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: stand being bald sticking out on the front side of

814
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: the tree. I gotta be able to be behind it.

815
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: Just one of my deals. And like I said, I'm

816
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: not a big trimmer. I don't trim a bunch of stuff,

817
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: but I'm not as huge on hype as I used

818
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: to be. I used to think, if the right situation

819
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 1: is you know there and shoot fifteen foot's great. The

820
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: higher you get, the worst your shot angle is. And

821
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: I kind of learned that more as you alone, you know,

822
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: hip isn't always the answer. But but anyway, Yeah, they're

823
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: definitely always changing. I like your take on being on

824
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: the back side of the tree. That's how I set

825
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: every one of my tree stands. I'm not alone ranger there. Yeah,

826
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I just started trying that recently here too, and that actually, um,

827
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have killed my Ohio buck last year

828
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: if I hadn't set the stand on the backside, because

829
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: it was a situation where I had, you know, very

830
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: very limited tree options, and there's one I had to

831
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: be able to shoot to this location, and I had

832
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: to decide, you know, do I go in a in

833
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: a tree that has not great cover but it's in

834
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: the right location, or do I go in a tree

835
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: with good cover but I don't think I'll be able

836
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: to get the shot I can take. And in this situation,

837
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: I you know, kind of like you mentioned you went

838
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: in the net hanging that stand. I went at like

839
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: three thirty in the morning to hang this stand and

840
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: I had to be in a you know, subpar tree.

841
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: So I put the stand facing backwards and this buck

842
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: still spotted me just before I took a shot at him,

843
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: but I had enough cover to at least you know,

844
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: he was confused by it, and he didn't book it

845
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: out of the country right away. So it definitely not

846
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the perfect tree. Yeah, so that was wasn't ask you

847
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: would you would you rather take a perfect spot with

848
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: a subpar tree or the perfect tree in the subpar spot. Yeah,

849
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: there's no I want the perfect spot with the subpar tree. Yeah.

850
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll get up in anything. I've been in some stupidest

851
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: tree you've ever seen. I mean, bush y oak trees

852
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: that are six inches in diameter and it looks just

853
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: terrible up there. But if you got the right background cover,

854
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: it's just amazing what you can get by with the

855
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: small trees. Yeah. Do you ever try creating cover in

856
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: a tree? I hear some people I've tried this, you know,

857
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: cutting limbs and sticking them in your tree, standard doing

858
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: things different things like that to add cover. Have you

859
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: ever done that? No? I probably should. I have not

860
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: done that, but yeah, I've seen a lot of other

861
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: guys do that. It's not a bad idea. If you've

862
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: got access to that, by all means you go forward. Yeah,

863
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: it's one of the things I kind of like you.

864
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: I want, I should know, I should do it more.

865
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: I don't do it often enough. So what about wind?

866
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: You we've kind of touched on this with stand sites.

867
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about how you're thinking about

868
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: when when setting a stand because one of the things

869
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: we talked about a lot is there's thinking about wind

870
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: in regards to your scent, you know, making sure deer

871
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: are gonna wind you. And then we also talk about

872
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: how you can use the wind by thinking about how

873
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: a deer is going to use the wind moving into

874
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: a spot, do you consider both those things when you're

875
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: setting stands and can you can you elaborate on how

876
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: you consider wind in that case? Yeah, it means everything

877
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: absolutely without a doubt. I've got us in a betting area.

878
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I'll have stands in that exact betting area for a

879
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: north wind and for a south wind. I access the

880
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: south wind stand from a different area. I mean, you

881
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: come from different ways to get to it, so I

882
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: can hunt that betting area with any wind now here. Lately,

883
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: one of the best strategies we've been using is brushing

884
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: these blinds into standing corn, which is absolutely lethal. Then

885
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: you can get totally covered up. You're walking through the

886
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 1: corn rows, you get your blind you've got the wind

887
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: right in your face, there's no scent trail. This is

888
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: just a deadly way to hunt. We killed a lot

889
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: of big bucks the last few years doing that. So yeah,

890
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I've seen that on your on your should recently. Can

891
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: you you sort of touched on a few of those

892
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: things there, but can you give us the details on

893
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: how you're setting is up in and really all the

894
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: details what you're considering. Yeah, we'll just go out on

895
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: these farms and I'll find the best pinch points the

896
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: best spots that I like, and I'll actually go in

897
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: there and plant standing corn to those areas. They are

898
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: already great areas, but by they're standing. By planting the

899
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: standing corn, it allows me. And especially here in southern

900
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: I when you have no trees to begin with, some

901
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: of these plots don't have nothing on it. You can

902
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: go in. You can plant the standing corn. We'll go

903
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: up the corn rows, you know, and and go to

904
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: the end where the corn stops. You can, if it

905
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: partially pick corns or whatever it may be, pop your

906
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: blind up. You can cut it out and do this

907
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: in about twenty minutes or thirty minutes maybe. But when

908
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: you stand back at the distance and look at it

909
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: from a fifteen yards, you can't even see it. The

910
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: blink totally disappears. But super important when you do it,

911
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: you're coming in the back of the corn road. You're

912
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: walking all the way into the back of the blind.

913
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: And this is so effective. We've actually left this seventy

914
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: or eighty deer in the field in front of us

915
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: at thirty yards and you can crawl out the back

916
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: of the blind. Let me take thirty minutes, but you

917
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: can get out of there. So that allows you to

918
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: repeatedly hunt the same blind over and over again and

919
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: not spookos deer. So that's really been a good good

920
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: boy to hunt for us. Is there is there a

921
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: minimum size plot that you you could plant corning because

922
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: a lot of guys maybe with smaller properties, they can't

923
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: plant eighty acres of corn, but maybe they could plant

924
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: a small crop just in this type of you know,

925
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: for this type of situation, is there minimum size you

926
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: think someone needs to pull this off? Well for corn,

927
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: If you're trying to do this for corn, the biggest

928
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: thing about it is you've got high deer numbers. Sometimes

929
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: you've got a plant six or eight acres. Excuse me,

930
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: because the deer let's go in there, and they'll ruin

931
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: two to three acres of it, pulling the years off

932
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: and eating the stalks and leading everything else. So they

933
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: ruin so much of it. You've got to have at

934
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: least that many acres to have any corn left. So

935
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: somebody asked me, you show I plant a twigger corn

936
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: plot close to the timber's edge. Well, no, you're just

937
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: not gonna make that's the problem with plants so small.

938
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: So you do have to have quite a few acres. Okay,

939
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: that's good to know. So that kind is a nice

940
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: transition um to some of the habitat questions I had

941
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: for you. You know, you're obviously managing a lot of property.

942
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: What are your top things that you are doing to

943
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: improve that property for you? Are you just focusing on food?

944
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: We're doing other habitat improvements too. Well. We're trying to

945
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: put in as many acres as we can, like the

946
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: buffer strips, into taller swiss grass and taller habitat like that.

947
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: That's a really big thing. We've taken the buffer strips

948
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: along the river that's like dred and twenty ft wide,

949
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: and we'll plant swiss grass. That's really improved to have

950
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: tat for us. But anytime you can add any of

951
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: the tall grasses to the mix, I think that's just

952
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: an excellent thing to be doing. Okay, And what about

953
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: are they betting there or is it just like a

954
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: transition buffer strip When they exit the timber and come

955
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: to the food, they have so much that they're betting

956
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: in it. It just makes them more comfortable. They come

957
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: out quicker. They I've seen them standing in the switch

958
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: grass six eight foot tall, standing half out of it

959
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: eating soybeans, and they'll never even walk into the field.

960
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: They'll just set there and eating and walk right back.

961
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: It just makes them feel really comfortable and it really

962
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: holds a lot of during your property. So do not

963
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: do you do anything to your timber? Do you cut

964
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: or hinge cut or do anything like that, or do

965
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: you leave that as is? Whatever timber you have? Well,

966
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I need to be doing more of that. My neighbors

967
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: everybody around me started doing it too, And that's definitely

968
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: the more you can work in your timber, and you're

969
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna help that, not like you said, by handing it

970
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: and letting trees fall down in there, you're just creating

971
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: that much more cover. But in the last two years

972
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: I have not done any of that now, So you

973
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact that some of your neighbors are doing

974
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: these kinds of things. Do you have at are a

975
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: lot of the people in your area actively managing for

976
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: deer or are you surrounded by just farmers who don't

977
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: really care about deer? Both? Right now, most of the

978
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: property around me has been boughted by guys that are

979
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: really serious about it. You know, this land costs a

980
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: lot of money, and even were so anybody's gonna spend

981
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: through four thousand all of naked for deer rounding the

982
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: ground is pretty serious about it. So they're not going

983
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: to go in there and just shoot the small ones.

984
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: They're wanting to do what's right, let them get to

985
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: the proper age. And but then you've got you know,

986
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: they've got the farmers that are here, and they're old

987
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: school and that's just the way they were raised as

988
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: to shoot anything that comes by, and they don't really

989
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: care about it. Yeah, So I'm curious being in a

990
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: situation like that, you know, or in this situation where

991
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: you are surrounded by people managing. You know, there's a

992
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: lot of people I complain about my situation sometimes being

993
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: that I'm surrounded in most areas by people that don't

994
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: manage and the challenges that come with that. But I'm curious,

995
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: are there are there any challenges that you face because

996
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: you're in an area with intense management all around it,

997
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: or at least in the spots that you do have

998
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: like that, Are there any unique challenges in that situation? Well,

999
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: years ago, I used to be the only one planting

1000
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: and leaving food, so I could pull so many deer

1001
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: from so many properties. Now, all these guys have gotten

1002
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: smart on these food pots, and they're leaving the grain

1003
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: standing until you know, March or April or whatever. So

1004
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm probably pulling only half the deer I used to pull.

1005
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: So the biggest thing I can see is, yeah, I'm

1006
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: next to guys that are managing. If they're not shooting

1007
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: two year olds and three year olds, that's great. But

1008
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: then again, they're planting the same amount of food that

1009
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: I am, so they're really limiting any deer coming around

1010
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: my property that that live over on there. So it's

1011
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of a double hit sword. Yeah, is there anything

1012
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: you can do? Is there anything you do to combat that? Are?

1013
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: Are you thinking through ways to fill gaps that they

1014
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: don't or anything along those lines. I plan everything there is.

1015
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: I just try to do a better job than they do.

1016
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: A lot of times, these guys aren't really good farmers,

1017
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: and they have crop failures, and so I just got

1018
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: to hope for a crop failure on their side of

1019
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: the fence. Yeah, and hopefully you get all the rain

1020
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: and they don't. Yeah, some of these food plots, you

1021
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe the money a guy would spend on T

1022
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: and K and fertilizer and lime and doing everything you

1023
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: can to maximize that acres because you know how important

1024
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: he is a boil of darien. Oh yeah, I I

1025
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 1: only have a couple of acres I can plain, and

1026
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: I know the costs add up on that pretty quick.

1027
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: So I can't imagine what people with with much larger areas.

1028
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: What what does it costs those accrew exactly? I don't

1029
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: think we've had a hundred acres of food plots total. Wow,

1030
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: it's a significant expance. I yeah, probably at least three

1031
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: or four one of all an acre cost to do

1032
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: those on corn anyway. Yeah. Um, So another thing on

1033
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: this topic. I read an article some number some from

1034
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: a number of years ago, I think, and they I

1035
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: think it might have been written by Mike Hanbeck or

1036
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: someone like that, and he had talked about a situation

1037
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: with you, um where you had I think increct me

1038
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong if you remember this, but I think

1039
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: you had owned a farm or property where you had

1040
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: been hunting and managing it for a long time, and

1041
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: then you had bought or gotten access to another farm

1042
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: far away, and on that property you ended up killing

1043
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: a giant buck on that property that you had seen

1044
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: a long time ago on your old farm, but now

1045
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: he was over on this new one. And the point

1046
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: of this article, I believe was that, um, that maybe

1047
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: there was so much competition on your heavily managed property

1048
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: that some of these bucks were dispersing new places. Is

1049
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: that is that something that you have to think about

1050
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: head is absolutely something to think about. We're raising such

1051
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: a staggering number of three year old deer, there's hundred

1052
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: fifties literally all over the place. Is such an intense competition.

1053
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: The first thing that happens the dough comes in, Well,

1054
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: my biggest buck, my six year old or whatever, he'll

1055
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: bump the first dough out. He'll go over to my

1056
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: neighbor's property that don't have any deer. So actually some

1057
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: of my biggest deer get bumped over into my neighbor

1058
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: and get killed just for that reason. One year I

1059
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: lost five one nineties my neighbors just because of that.

1060
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm thinking, well, I've got the best food,

1061
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: I got everything over here. That's the problem. I do

1062
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: got the best food, which is holding all the deer,

1063
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: making the you know, the the letting of fighting for

1064
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: the dough so intense. I mean everything is fighting to

1065
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: the hill, so they're wanting to get off of here

1066
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: during the run. That's the bad part about it. So

1067
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: so with your four thousand acres that you have access

1068
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: to hunting, that makes it seem like you're not taking

1069
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: enough deer off the property. How many deer would you

1070
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: say you're taking off that four thousand acres in a year. Well,

1071
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: that's another problem is you've got so many bucks that

1072
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: need to be taken into the coal bucks. I'm talking

1073
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: five year, five and six year old deer. They're only

1074
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: scoring one twent year thirty and we've got plenty of those,

1075
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: and it's very hard to get something to shoot those

1076
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: for you. Uh, nobody wants to waste their valuable would

1077
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: tag on a one thirty? You know, in the past,

1078
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: we can shoot plenty of those, we've shot the last

1079
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: year they allowed us to shoot those, we shot fifty

1080
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: four those, which if we need at least be shooting

1081
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: fifty sixty seventy a year, you know, just to keep

1082
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: up with the numbers. Yeah, that's a huge thing, is

1083
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: keeping your dough numbers down. But the on with Iowa

1084
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: last year is that the e h D breakout so

1085
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: that the d N R took the tags away from

1086
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: this whole state and didn't give any tags. Were you

1087
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: affected by that at all? The HD No, I wasn't.

1088
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: And that's the problem. I wasn't even affected by it

1089
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: by them taking the tags away. Now I've got my

1090
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: dough number skyrocketing again. So it's kind of a bad

1091
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: deal because you know, what's the high deer numbers to

1092
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: do to you. It's not a good deal. Have you

1093
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 1: have you been in communication with the State of Io

1094
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: of the d n R and saying, hey, look at

1095
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: like show them proof and say, look at my property.

1096
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: I need to take more dear off of it. Right. Well,

1097
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: in the past, like I said, they give you the

1098
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: bonus tags in January, it's almost unlimited, and I think

1099
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: they give like eight or nine indicator county when there

1100
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: was still tagging left. I went in about fifty four

1101
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: tag myself. So in the past you could buy basically

1102
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: unlimited tags. But then that the h D thing happened

1103
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: and they kind of capt that. So they know there's

1104
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: a need for that. But there's so many people in

1105
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: the state they were squawking over low deer numbers this year. Yeah,

1106
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: it makes some unique challenges. I think for people in

1107
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: that type of situation for sure. Well, especially when especially

1108
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: when you are managing your property for deer hunting, you

1109
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 1: you have the availability to um hold dear, you're playing

1110
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: the food plots, you're probably leaving some of your crops up,

1111
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: and you know other people in your county aren't doing that.

1112
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: Thus they're seeing low deer numbers and you're you're probably

1113
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: at the you know, at the far end of the

1114
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: range because of what you're doing. Right. Absolutely, I don't

1115
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: know if there's no perfect answer to it, I guess,

1116
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: but I mean I would do a lot of great things,

1117
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say anything bad about that. Probably

1118
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: one of the best states as far as a deer

1119
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: manager goes. But like I said, you've got so many

1120
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: of these bucks that need to be shot. There four

1121
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: or five six year old deer, and that's what we're

1122
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: running into. We're getting too many of those and causing

1123
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: the genetics to in my opinion, you go downhill a

1124
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit. All we've got one more break in the action.

1125
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: Here for a word now from our partners at hunter

1126
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: A Maps and earlier this year were first discussed hun

1127
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: Terra Maps. But if you missed that segment. Huntera is

1128
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: the producer of super high quality, custom physical maps for

1129
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: serious deer hunters, and these maps come in sizes ranging

1130
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: from fold up waterproof field maps two huge wall size

1131
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: maps to put up a deer camp, and they're all

1132
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: really awesome. What they all have in common is high

1133
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: end aerial imagery of your hunting property with an added

1134
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: terrain layer which allows you to see very clearly the

1135
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: actual topographic features that are present. Now, with that said,

1136
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: I recently got to chat with Ben Harshein, the founder

1137
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: of Huntera, and the story of how he started this

1138
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: company was so interesting and honestly gutsy that I had

1139
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: to share with you. So here's Ben explaining how Huntera

1140
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: came to be. So ter actually started in I made

1141
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: a map for my dad, for the father of the Gifts,

1142
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: at the ground that I grew up hunting back in

1143
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania. Um, there's no agg anywhere, and looking at

1144
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: the property just from an aerial photograph didn't really tell

1145
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: us much of just the sea of green. So um,

1146
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: I figured out a way to put terrain into the

1147
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: into the imagery, and that all of a sudden showed

1148
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: us all of the terrain features that matter to us,

1149
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: like the riches. We had a lot of saddles in Pennsylvania, benches,

1150
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: old logging roads, um, those sort of things. And that

1151
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: was really that was truly a game changer, not only

1152
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: for us as hunters, but um also for my future.

1153
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: So uh it fast forward three years later, um I

1154
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: was eighty hour work weeks. We were becoming the norm.

1155
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: Um I was the senior cartographer at the National counter

1156
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: Terrorism Center, and you know, standing and down the barrel

1157
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: of a full time career path in Washington, Washington, d C. Area,

1158
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: And at that time, on Tera was really rocking, and

1159
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: h you know, it was one of those deals where

1160
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: my wife she came on board, uh to to help

1161
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: me out and and we just got exponentially more efficient,

1162
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: more productive. It was the fall, and over the wintertime

1163
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: we really thought about it long and hard and decided,

1164
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: you know what we've gotten, uh once in a lifetime

1165
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: opportunity here to to try to pursue and grow something

1166
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: that really matters to us. So in June we packed

1167
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: up and and and uprooted and soldier house and in

1168
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: point of our headlights west to to move to the

1169
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: Midwest and really pursue on terry and give it everything

1170
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: that literally everything we had. So that's how it started.

1171
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: So how about that Ben gave up a big time

1172
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: jab in Washington, d C. To move cross country and

1173
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: make the best dang physical maps for serious deer hunters.

1174
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: That is pretty cool in my book. So if you're

1175
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: interested in learning more, go to hunter a dot com.

1176
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: And now back to the show. Yeah, and on that

1177
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: topic a little bit. Um. You know, I'm not I

1178
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: haven't necessarily been lucky enough to enjoy this problem myself.

1179
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: But in these places where you do have a large

1180
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: number of mature deer um, but like you said, some

1181
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: that maybe genetically aren't going to amount to maybe a

1182
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: larger deer, do you have issues with like these bully

1183
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: bucks where you get a six or seven or eight

1184
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: year old buck that's it's a small buck that maybe

1185
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: you're not interested in tarting, but he's such a nasty,

1186
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: dominant buck that he's bumping away all your three and

1187
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: four year olds with great potential. It happens all the time.

1188
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: It seems like those are the ones that set up

1189
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: camp and everything else. You're big at solid, massiveeer and

1190
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: that's all he's ever gonna be. But here in the

1191
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: last few years, it seems like I'm the one that

1192
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: always has to shoot all though, so it's kind of

1193
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: not fair to me. But that's a burden I can't

1194
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: take it. If it's a six year old big bully deer,

1195
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I'll fill my tag living and go on. You know,

1196
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: I can get three. So if two of them happen

1197
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: to be a coal buck, out of mind, and that's fine.

1198
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: It's making your property better that way at least. Yeah,

1199
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: you only got so much room in the house, right,

1200
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: that's right exactly, you know, that's that's really funny you

1201
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: mentioned that, Dan, because literally today when I was driving

1202
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: home from where we were out camping this weekend with

1203
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: my wife, she asked me who we had the podcast,

1204
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: and I mentioned that you were on the show to

1205
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: Day Done, and yeah, she's seen a few of your

1206
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: shows and stuff when I watched it, and so she

1207
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: told me to ask this, and I don't think she

1208
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: actually thought I was gonna ask, but now I am.

1209
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: She said, she want to know what do you do after,

1210
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, decades of hunting for big bucks, when you

1211
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: have so many big deer mounted, have you got to

1212
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: the point done where you just don't mount anymore, dear,

1213
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: or are you building new barns to put up your

1214
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: mounds or how do you handle that problem? Well, it's

1215
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: it's a problem. We've gotta stacked all against the walls.

1216
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: There's nowhere up to put them. But either we have

1217
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,959
Speaker 1: to build a building and actually, ken I, we don't

1218
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: mount him anymore in at least or at least one

1219
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: seventy Wow, we've said if we're not one seven were

1220
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: talking about it's like, where do you put them after

1221
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: a while? You know, Yeah, I'm trying to good points.

1222
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: They're stacked everywhere. Trust me, I don't know if my

1223
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: wife would be happy to hear that. She probably wanted

1224
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: to hear that you just stopped totally. Now I'll be

1225
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: able to tell her that, well, we gotta we gotta

1226
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: vault the ceilings and we gotta build a new addition

1227
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: to the house. Exactly. That's funny. So what about you know,

1228
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: diving continuing down the line here, different tactics that we're using.

1229
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: You mentioned access and entry routes, and you already talked

1230
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: about using ditches or creeks. Do you do do you

1231
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: do anything else to create you know, ideal access or

1232
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: exit routes you know, any other tricks to you do

1233
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,959
Speaker 1: you either doing with habitat or with you know, using

1234
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: buddies to help you getting out, anything else you're doing

1235
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: on that front. Were just like I said, not only

1236
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: hunting the corn, but actually we'll plant corn as a

1237
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: blocker just to get into my tree stands. Sometimes too,

1238
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: some of these farms you're on top of the ball knob.

1239
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: You cannot even get into this farm out blowing it out.

1240
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: So I found that I'll take my planner down the

1241
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: ridge top, plant whatever corn, and I'll kill the two

1242
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: rows in the middle, turn them off, so I can

1243
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: actually take my buggy. You can drive right down the

1244
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: middle of the standing corn and nothing even knows you're there.

1245
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: You can drive within fifty yards of your tree if

1246
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: you want to. Not to be lazy, but it just

1247
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: it helps everything I'm getting in and getting out of

1248
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: your tree stand. So that's just one way we do it.

1249
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Now, speaking of standing corn, this is I

1250
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if you have this challenge or not.

1251
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: Since you get to control I think from what it

1252
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: sounds that you get to control what's standing on what's not.

1253
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: But a lot of guys when they've got, you know,

1254
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: a hundred acre to farm or whatever it is, they're

1255
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: one or two places they can hunt. When there's years

1256
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: where all the corn is standing around them. You often

1257
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: hear about, well, all the bucks are on the corn,

1258
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: so they couldn't see anything, you know, during the rud

1259
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. Do you have? You know? Do you do

1260
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: you think that's the real issue? Is there an issue

1261
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: with when they're standing corn? Those deer are all going

1262
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: to be there and you can't see them and hunt them.

1263
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: And if so, are there any tricks to pulling off

1264
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: a successful hunt when you're surrounded by standing corn? That's

1265
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: a good question, because it's unfair because I have a

1266
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: combine and I go in there and I'll cut out

1267
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: the indrois if nothing else, so I can see the

1268
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: dang things. But but to somebody else who has nothing

1269
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: but big blocks of standing corn, yeah it's gonna be

1270
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: a big deal. Uh. Like I said, for the last

1271
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: fift twenty years, I've I'm a farmer, so I don't

1272
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: let that happen to me because I like to said,

1273
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: I go into harvest half of it or whatever I

1274
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: need to. Well, it's really never been an issue. I'll

1275
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: I can tell somebody is get as tired as you can,

1276
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: and they're not going to stay out there all all

1277
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: day long, especially if it gets real wet and muddy

1278
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: in the fall, and you know they're not gonna be

1279
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: laid after in the mud. So right, I don't probably

1280
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: feel that every year in the country are gonna be

1281
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: out in the standing cornfield. So yes, So calling then

1282
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: comes to mind for me because i've you know, I've

1283
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: heard last times. Maybe you can call or rattle them

1284
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: out of the standing corn if you can hear him

1285
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: run around in there. What what's your take on on rattling.

1286
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, is that something you a lot?

1287
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: If so, what's your strategy? Everything's changed with that. You know,

1288
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: when we first started years ago rattling, we rattling all

1289
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: kinds of big bucks. I first started with my sit

1290
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: Marcury and Jay Greggy and all um rattling deer in.

1291
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: And just so many people are hunting now, and they

1292
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: are so much more educated. It's ten times harder than

1293
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: it used to be. I'm not gonna say I don't

1294
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: rattle bucks anymore. I do. I don't do it blind

1295
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: rattling like I used to. I have to have a

1296
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: visual on the deer. I have to know I've got

1297
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: a good win before I'll hitting with us, so I

1298
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: can see his reaction to see if he turns inside

1299
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: out or you know, kind of read the body language

1300
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: and see what's going on. But more than anything other

1301
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: than the rattling, and will will use your grunting more

1302
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: than I can anything that I can think of. I

1303
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: have more success with that now. So what types of

1304
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: what just a soft contact grunt? Are you snort wheezing

1305
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: or what's your what are your typical grunts you're using.

1306
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done it all. I have snort wheezing

1307
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: in and but anymore, I'll just go to the tending grunt,

1308
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, and try to get his attention. Once you

1309
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: whit to his head at me, give you more more.

1310
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: If he doesn't commit, then don't keep grunting at him,

1311
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: and just don't keep hammley with it. That would become

1312
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: suspicious real quick. But I always carry the rattle and

1313
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: horns with me. You've always got situations like two years ago,

1314
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: I remember a big booner. He had just lost his

1315
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: dough and he's running around everywhere trying to find her.

1316
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: That's a perfect situation. Man, we hit the horns together.

1317
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: Here he come walk run under the tree. So without

1318
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: the rattling horns, we wouldn't killed that deer. So even

1319
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: though it's tougher than it used to be, it's still

1320
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: a must to have monia. Yeah, you mentioned wind, the

1321
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: right wind to call her to rattle. I think I

1322
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: know you meant what you're meaning by that, But could

1323
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: you explain that a little further. What's the right wind

1324
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: to collor rattle with? Well, it's pretty simple. If you've

1325
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: got to wind us cooring towards the deer. You're just

1326
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: a fool if you grunt or rattle at him, because

1327
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: all he's gonna do is obviously come to the down

1328
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: wind side. Because you're making it easy for him. He

1329
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: has to find out who that is before he walks in.

1330
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: So he's gonna walk down and smell again and he's

1331
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: out of there. So make sure the wind is at least,

1332
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, cording to you, hitting, you know, rolling back

1333
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: the other direction. But the thing we do to combat

1334
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: at a lot of my stands actually backed up to

1335
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: a fence. They'll be to a creek, a big drop off,

1336
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: so they can't certainly they'll have to come in and

1337
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: have to come underneath your tree to check you out. Yeah,

1338
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: that was that was exactly what I was thinking of

1339
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: when you said that, And actually I was just going

1340
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: to ask you. Do you ever set up stands specifically

1341
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: to prevent that? So it's interesting that that is something

1342
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: that you're practically doing. Oh, absolutely, have We've done that

1343
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: for years. I used to have. My favorite stand was

1344
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: called the railroad track stand. There's a big wolven water

1345
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: fence and big weedy field and every day you rattle labit,

1346
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: come up to the fence, turn walk right now. The

1347
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: fences rounderneath the tree. So that's a great tactic. Well,

1348
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: what about doan estrus bleets? Do you ever use those?

1349
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: I talk through a little bit of everything, Adam. I

1350
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: just watched the deer and see what happens. Uh, I'm

1351
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: not gonna see I do it all the time, but

1352
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: if if there's a call mate, I'll try it. Okay,

1353
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: it's in the repertoire, so that doesn't work. I'll try

1354
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: that fair enough. So what about decoys? If we're going

1355
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: on down the different list of potential tricks, are you

1356
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: a decoy? I've done it, you know, That's another one

1357
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: of those things. We've got so much camera gear, so

1358
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: much equipment to carry in camera arms and all this stuff.

1359
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: It's it's a lot when you start taking a decoy

1360
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: to many. Problem I always had with decoys is I'd

1361
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: have a deer come in and see the decoy, and

1362
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: immediately they see it, they draw a circle around your

1363
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: tree and they go down to wind and smell you

1364
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: in snort. So I'm never a bit of a big

1365
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: fan of decoin that obviously it works, So yeah, it's

1366
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: not something that a lot of Are you taking any

1367
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: scent control um tactics? Are you know, are you using

1368
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 1: any sprays or clothing or stuff like that, or are

1369
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: you strictly wind? No, I'm strictly wind. But I do

1370
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: everything I can. I mean, it's not saying everything works perfectly,

1371
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: but you're crazy if you don't try it. Where the

1372
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: scent law close. I have the Wildlife Research spray. We

1373
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: try to stay as clean as we can, and on

1374
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: top of all that, then I make sure the winds

1375
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: perfect anyway, but if he gets swirly winds, by worrying

1376
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: all this and using the sprays, you can get by

1377
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: with a lot more times than if he wasn't using it,

1378
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that, Yeah, it definitely pays to

1379
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 1: minimize the risk as much as possible at least. Yeah,

1380
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: And then my wife's wearing makeup, so that doesn't help.

1381
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, that that is the one thing that you

1382
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: can't and you can't say no to that, right every time, like, yeah, exactly,

1383
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: every time I get winded, I'll play it on her

1384
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: because well, what's your makeup? Man? Do you have any

1385
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: interesting question here? Do you have any other challenges given

1386
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: the fact that you hunt or film with your wife

1387
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: a lot um? No, you know, we we do pretty

1388
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: good together. We've been hunt together for so long. We

1389
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: know each other. I would say, it's not anything more difficult.

1390
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: She knows how I react and I know how she does.

1391
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: I helped calm her down, she helps call me down

1392
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: or whatever, So that's actually a benefit, I would say. Nice.

1393
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: I know, Um, I've been testing the water is trying

1394
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: to get my wife out there. She's gone turkey hunting.

1395
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: She's in the fly fishing now, but deer hunting we're

1396
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: still working on. But the makeup thing, I think would

1397
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: be a tough deal to Yeah, exactly, Well, starting on turkeys.

1398
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: That's always something good starting with that's where candy started.

1399
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's tough to get to get a

1400
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: woman out there and below zero, and man, didn't it fun?

1401
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: See that That was my mistake. The first time I

1402
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 1: ever tried to get my wife out there with me,

1403
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: we were hunting in Illinois and I asked her if

1404
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: she would come with me on the trip because I

1405
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: was I had to go by myself, and I asked

1406
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: if she would film me. And so we went out

1407
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: there and it was during the rut or late rut.

1408
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: I think it was like November twenty or something like that,

1409
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: pretty late, and I had to hunt and I had

1410
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: to have someone filming. It just so happened that the

1411
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: first day, the first time she went out, it was

1412
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: like a cold friend just hit. So it was in

1413
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: the thirties or maybe high thirties, because it was like

1414
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 1: a mix of rain and sleet and really windy and

1415
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: about as miserable conditions that you could ever ask for,

1416
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: and that was her first experience. So I've had a

1417
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,639
Speaker 1: hard time getting her back out well, I can imagine,

1418
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: that's right. So another thing that's been on my mind

1419
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: that we've kind of talked a little bit about when

1420
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: it comes to timing. It's something that we talked a

1421
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: lot about last week with Mark, and it's predicting deer movement,

1422
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, looking at different types of conditions and then

1423
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: anticipating how the deer might or might not move based

1424
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: on those conditions. Um So, I'm curiously we had this

1425
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: big conversation last week, and I'm curious to see you

1426
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: know what your take is on some of these things

1427
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: we discussed. Um So, how about we start start with

1428
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: baro metric pressure. Do you see any impact on deer

1429
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: movement from barre metric pressure and how much attention do

1430
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: you pay to that if any? Yeah, I mean definitely

1431
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: they they act different, all bear metric pressures and all

1432
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: this stuff. There's but there's so many factors, some fronts

1433
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: moving in and moon phases. There's so many different things.

1434
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: It's almost confusing. It doesn't matter. I'm out there every

1435
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: day anyway, so I really don't care. So do I

1436
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 1: look at the pressures and I hunt different? No, I

1437
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 1: really don't look at that any different. I'm gonna be

1438
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: out there anyway, so doesn't really affect me. The only

1439
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: thing I do like, I would like the love of

1440
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: hunting in any kind of precipitation. If it's a light, misty,

1441
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 1: rain or snow, whatever, and the deer just move awesome

1442
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,480
Speaker 1: in that soul. Anytime you can get any kind of precipitation,

1443
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, I mean too, is there ever

1444
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: too much? I mean when it comes to from what

1445
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: I've seen, Like you said, light rain, light, snow's great,

1446
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: but maybe excuse me, heavy downpour not so much. Have

1447
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: you seen that too? Yes, for sure, we got the

1448
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: mess sub blinds. We hunt out up, so we hunted

1449
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: in heavy downpours and we don't see anything but the

1450
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: light missed and just drizzle. All of that's fantastic. Yeah,

1451
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: they really left their guard down that type of weather.

1452
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: I think, Yes, it seems like they might just and

1453
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: I think it might have been um our guest a

1454
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: few weeks ago John Eberhardt, who had mentioned that his

1455
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: belief was that some of these deer might actually and

1456
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: maybe maybe or maybe not they make this connection. But

1457
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: because when there's lots of rain or different precipitation like this,

1458
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: there's not as much human activity that maybe then the

1459
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: deer begin to, you know, feel more safe in those conditions.

1460
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: So I agree, with that. Yeah, so, moonface, I know

1461
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: you said you don't pay attention to this a lot,

1462
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: but do you have any take on moon impact on

1463
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 1: deer at all? I'm totally obvious to everybody else. I've

1464
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: killed so many deer on a full moon. And then

1465
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: you hear everybody else say, oh food, full moon, They'll

1466
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: be feeding all night. You won't see nothing. But I

1467
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: love a full moon. So I don't know if I'm

1468
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 1: if I'm hunting different than the other people, are you

1469
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: know during that time? But give me a full moon.

1470
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: And like I said, I've killed so many deer and

1471
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing bad about it. Are you focusing

1472
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: I guess Let's let's talk about time of year for

1473
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: a second and where you're focusing your attack. Let's say

1474
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: we're getting now into like the later October, right before

1475
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: the rout kicks in. Where where are you focusing your

1476
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, your attack throughout that the rest of the season.

1477
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 1: Then whatever? Right right when you're saying in late October

1478
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: your very first doze, you're gonna start psycle, so you've

1479
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: out to target your main dough groups. They may not

1480
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: have been a mature buck there in the last two

1481
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: weeks but during that time the rule be so if

1482
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: you got the does, you're gonna have the deer. So

1483
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: that's what we target those big dough group areas and

1484
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: the big dough betting areas because in the mornings, you know,

1485
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: the first and then bucks are gonna be cruising through

1486
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: there like crazy. And then how about the lockdown phase?

1487
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: Do you believe anything in regards to that period of November?

1488
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: Typically have you seen that happen by you? Yes? I

1489
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 1: hate it? So how do you handle that? Uh? Go

1490
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 1: through something else? Is really kids? Really tough to a

1491
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: lot lockdown phase. Now, it can be at perfect time

1492
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: to stalk one, which we've done several times. If you

1493
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 1: can spot one lockdown the hot dough, it's you know,

1494
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: you're hearing for a good hunt. But other than that,

1495
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: you can pull your hair out. There's a ten day period,

1496
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: like on this phone here, when they locked down. You

1497
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: might as well just stay home because I don't think

1498
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: I've hardly ever killed a deer between that five day period,

1499
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: the tenth of the fifteenth, that's about during November, the

1500
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 1: tenth something like that, when I usually just locked down

1501
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: very hard. But then about the twenty they all start

1502
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: coming back. And they all stopped coming back and checking

1503
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 1: the last two days, you know, and they actually another

1504
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: hot time. Yeah, I gotta, I gotta a question of

1505
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: piggyback off that you just mentioned the second and third

1506
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: week basically of of November, maybe the first week in November.

1507
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: In the third week sounds to me like it's where

1508
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: you do a lot of your focusing on, and then

1509
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: that that second week is kind of a dead spot.

1510
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of hunters are getting into

1511
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: the timber too easy? Let's say a guy has a

1512
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 1: week or two weeks of vacation to spend deer hunting.

1513
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: Do you think guys are getting in the timber too

1514
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: early in November instead of maybe saving it for the

1515
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 1: second and third or third and fourth week in November.

1516
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,560
Speaker 1: Well for some of your bigger box especially, Yeah, that

1517
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving time can be fantas plastic. But I've told people,

1518
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, years ago, the best time in Iowa was

1519
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: always November one through November eight, you can't miss. But

1520
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: you know that can be tough because the one he's

1521
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: been sure bucks and locked not locked down the dough.

1522
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 1: But they can find the first alpha dough, follow her

1523
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: around for a week and still becomes very hard to

1524
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: get up mature buck here. Lately, my favorite time is

1525
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: late October, and I've swung it back to believe it

1526
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: or not, October twenty through November one is some of

1527
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: our best times to get on somebody. Mature bucks done

1528
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: because they're not following the dough yet, they're still in

1529
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: that feeding pattern and they're just now starting to check

1530
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: those dough groups out. And and lately we've been targeting

1531
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: the food plots when person these blinds into the corn,

1532
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: and that's just when we've been killing our ear in

1533
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: late October. Now, Candy did kill her booner this year.

1534
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: It was during that Thanksgiving time and that was what happened.

1535
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: He was with a hot dough she wun't in yet

1536
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: because she was close, and he follows her in right

1537
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 1: in front of the blind. So if I had to pick,

1538
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: it's my pick now is late October and then, like

1539
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: you said, the third week in November. Yeah, what about

1540
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: the timing of the rut If we're talking about November

1541
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: and the great times of hunt during November. The ongoing

1542
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: debate is, you know, is the timing of the rut

1543
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: in the Midwest the same every year, or is it

1544
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 1: very you know, what's your take on that? It's pretty

1545
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: much the same for me. I don't think I've ever

1546
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: seen it not on fire November five, the four, fifth, six,

1547
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: and seventh, or if I had to knelt down to

1548
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 1: four days, you can't miss there. By the tenth, they're

1549
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 1: starting to already lock down, so you better have your

1550
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: big buck on the ground. But then because then he

1551
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: gets darn tougher about ten days, yeah, they can. They

1552
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: start getting a little a little bit tougher to fine,

1553
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yes. Um, So I've got a couple

1554
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,640
Speaker 1: of final questions for you, But Dan, do you have

1555
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: a final question for Downe before we, uh we wrap

1556
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: this up? You know, of all the years that you've

1557
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: been hunting, is there any strategy? I'd like to ask

1558
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 1: this question to every guest we have, but can you

1559
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: is there is there one thing you you would recommend

1560
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: for a hunter to try to do, and then one

1561
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: thing you've learned over the years that a hunter should

1562
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: never do? Like what have you learned? M Well, that's

1563
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: a tough one. Uh what a hunter should do? There's

1564
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: so many things. How do I narrow that down? What's

1565
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: what's something that you that maybe you you live a

1566
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: guy by every year. Well, believe it or not. I

1567
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: know some of the biggest bow hunters there is, and

1568
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: some of these guys don't take binoculars. And I've always thought,

1569
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: how can somebody hunt without glasses? Believe it, Our auctors

1570
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 1: hunters at that do not take binoculars with them. So

1571
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: that's the first and foremost thing when you're trying to

1572
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: aid you here and everything, you know, make sure you've

1573
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: got your binoculars with you. I know that sounds a

1574
01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: little crazy that there's people out there that don't take them.

1575
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: Do you identify dear? You don't know how old he

1576
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: is or nothing about him? You know. That's kind of

1577
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: one thing that and and now and now one thing

1578
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: that that maybe an example of a mistake that maybe

1579
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: you kept making and you finally learned from or or

1580
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: something over the years where it was maybe like an

1581
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: aha moment where you're just like, oh, that's what I've

1582
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: been doing wrong all this time. Guy. So I've done

1583
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: every mistake in the book. Which one you want the

1584
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: most embarrassing? Please? Yeah, I've done everything, um lord. Just

1585
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: to narrow that down to one thing, it'd be impossible

1586
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 1: for me, seriously, I've done everything from but to help

1587
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: somebody out. Uh, maybe just the way people blatantly get

1588
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: into their stand in the timber, they walked through the

1589
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: they have no access, no way in or out to

1590
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: not be seen, smelled and everything. Some people think you

1591
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 1: just stroll through the woods and climb your tree and

1592
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: climb out. I don't ever set a tree stand up

1593
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: that I can't get in and out of with hopefully

1594
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: I dear it's smelling me and seeing me. Yeah, that's

1595
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: and that's such a it's so easy to say that.

1596
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I I've had the challenge of I I

1597
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 1: know this, like I know you need to have great

1598
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: entry and exit, but then the actual execution of it

1599
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: sometimes it's a lot harder because there's those you know,

1600
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 1: times when you you're late, you just gotta get home

1601
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 1: and you're rushing and you want to just blast the

1602
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: tim or get back or whatever it might be. It's

1603
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: really hard to have the self discipline to always do that.

1604
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: But I think I'm glad you mentioned it because it's

1605
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 1: one of those things that we always need to keep

1606
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: in mind, and we always need to remember how important

1607
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: it really is. For sure, you know, some people's heart

1608
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: is over for whatever started just because of that, because

1609
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: I gave no thought to entry or exit. Yeah, you

1610
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: have to. I like your idea about playing the standing

1611
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,839
Speaker 1: corn to aid and that, and like you said earlier, ditches,

1612
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: creeks all those things, and and really factoring in your

1613
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: entry and exit even when you're thinking about setting stands.

1614
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: So I guess then that leads me to another question. Done.

1615
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,799
Speaker 1: If you have a situation where you've got a great

1616
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: stand location, like you say, I want to stand here,

1617
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: but you just can't find a good way to get

1618
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: in and out, will you just ignore that tree and

1619
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: not hunt that spot, or will you risk it every

1620
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: once in a while even though you know your entrance

1621
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: or exit isn't good. Well, there's ways around that. If

1622
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: you know you can I get out there, especially late season. Well,

1623
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: actually have somebody come down on the tractor and blow

1624
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: the deer off and pick me up and get me

1625
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: out there. So it's farm vehicles or whatever it is

1626
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: that they're used to. You cannot be climbing out that

1627
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: tree and blowing that field or climbing out that blind.

1628
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: You gotta do something. You gotta make some kind of

1629
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: plans to get out of there. Yeah, Yeah, that's ye.

1630
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,200
Speaker 1: I like that tag team approach, getting someone to come

1631
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 1: help you out. That's the purpose of the standing corn

1632
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: for all of our blinds, even tower blinds. I plant

1633
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: standing corn in front of the terra blind and leave

1634
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: it standing just so I can get down the ladder

1635
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: and get out of there in the evenings. Yeah, I

1636
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: think if I've taken anything from this, well, I've taken

1637
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: many things. But one thing is I really need to

1638
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: get a farmer friend who can help me plant some corn.

1639
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: I think it would help me out a lot. It's

1640
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: a great mix being a farm ran too in the

1641
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: white tail. Thank you trust me, You've got a good situation, um,

1642
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 1: and that that kind of leads me to what I

1643
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: want to be our our final question. And I've got

1644
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: a ton out of this, so thank you down in advance.

1645
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: And my question is this you, like you said, you

1646
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 1: have access to a pretty large amount of land and

1647
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: you're hunting heavily managed property, and so your situation is

1648
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: probably different than what some of our listeners have. That said,

1649
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: I would venture to guess that a lot of what

1650
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: you've learned in all of your years of hunting and

1651
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: what you take from where you hunt now could be

1652
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 1: applied pieces and parts to different situations. So my question

1653
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 1: is this, if I were to pick you up off

1654
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 1: of your Iowa property and put you on a piece

1655
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: of public land, let's say somewhere in Iowa, and you

1656
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 1: had a seven day vacation to hunt that piece of

1657
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: new public land, could you walk us through you know

1658
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: what your mindset would be in your process would be

1659
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: for for figuring out and hunting that property over the

1660
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: course of seven days. Absolutely, I, like everybody else, I

1661
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,679
Speaker 1: started on in public land before I got this farm,

1662
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: so I killed plenty of big deer on there, especially

1663
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 1: in iole of public land was awesome. About twenty years ago.

1664
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: The first thing I did on all this public ground,

1665
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: I'd go in and grab the map. I would find

1666
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 1: the farthest corner from any of the access points that

1667
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: anybody else had, because generally nine your hunters are lazy.

1668
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: They're not gonna walk any further than they have to.

1669
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: You gotta get in the extreme back corners of this

1670
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: thing and get away from the people. In that situation,

1671
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: you're not so much hunting the deer as you're hunting

1672
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 1: the people. So you just got to find that spot

1673
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: that the people aren't getting to and you can get

1674
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: into some action that life. Yeah, now are you gonna go?

1675
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 1: We've heard different theories on this. Some people will, you know,

1676
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 1: dive right into their best spots if they had, you

1677
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: know this this minimal piece of time seven days? Or

1678
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: would you do you like to take a couple of

1679
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: days to observed from a distance until you figure things out?

1680
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: Do you what's your take on that? Would you just

1681
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: dive right in? I'm still a big avoca is staying

1682
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: backed off at least one night, one morning, or two

1683
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: from a big observation point, see what's going on first

1684
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: before you dive in there, because you're you may have

1685
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: one chance and by that one time you saw this buck,

1686
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: do that one thing, you can kill the deer. I

1687
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: would scout three days and hunt one if I had

1688
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: a choice. Yeah. I hear that a lot, and it

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Speaker 1: sounds painful for me, But I imagine it's probably good

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01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: advice to to sacrifice a little hunting time to make

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01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 1: sure your your hunts are quality hunts over quantity exactly.

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: We don't like I said, you're talking about your deer

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: or after if you mess that deer at one time,

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01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:45,759
Speaker 1: it's over in that spot anyway, Yeah, definitely final question.

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01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: And I said that was my final question. But now

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Speaker 1: I want to add one more. Do you have a

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01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: single hunt that you look on, is like your favorite

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01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 1: hunt or the most meaningful buck or most Is there

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01:22:56,360 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: any kill that sticks with you the most? Probably one

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: of the kill that sticks me what It was a

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01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: big not typical I killed two thirteen years ago. I

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01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the footage ever. It was

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01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: because my wife filmed it. Man. She had actually rattled

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01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: the buck in he comes into three five yards. I

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01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: ended up shooting a little bit low on him and

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01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: just took the hair off the elbow. But I thought

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01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: I double lunged it. Well, the deer comes in further

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01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: and I looked over my candy she was filming it,

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01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,000
Speaker 1: and she was white, and I said, well, what's wrong?

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01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: You know, she ended up hit the record, but she

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01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: didn't get the record button on. Oh no, he's a

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01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: record button off on the first job. But luckily the

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01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,799
Speaker 1: buck came in and I got actually two more shots

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: on that deer and she got it on. It was

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01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: a terrible footage, but it was just a cool hunt.

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01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: It was one of my biggest bucks ever. So that

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01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: one kind of sticks my head. Yeah, I think I

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01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: did see the footage of that one, and that's uh,

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: I can see why that would be memorable. That's a

1720
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: pretty pretty incredible deer and hunt. So well, this has

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01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 1: been great down Um, if anyone out there is listening

1722
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 1: and wants to learn more about White Tail Freaks or

1723
01:23:57,760 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing, you know, where can they

1724
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: go on line to get that information? Just ye, tel

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01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: freaks dot com get you. You know, we're on Twitter

1726
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: and Facebook and all that. So awesome. And then what

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01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: about on TV? Right now? I think your new season

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01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,679
Speaker 1: is airing? Now? When when? And where is that? Gef

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: It's on Outdoor Channel obviously. It is at six thirty

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01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: Friday evening I'm sorry, six thirty money evening thirty Friday

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01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: evening and then four thirty in the morning on Thursday. Okay.

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01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: And is that Eastern or Central time? That's Central Central? Okay? Perfect. Well,

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: we'll make sure to include all that in the blog

1734
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 1: post for this podcast, So if you're listening you didn't

1735
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: get that, make sure check it out online and you'll

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01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: have all the information there. So done, Thank you for

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01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: your time. This has been really interesting. Um. I know

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01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: that both me and Dan will have some interesting things

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01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: to pass through and we all I'm sure we'll be

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01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,759
Speaker 1: able to learn some things from this, so we appreciate

1741
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 1: the time. Thanks for joining us, Downe bad Thank you guys.

1742
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: If you ever need someone to come kill some dose

1743
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: off your property, you just holler at us. Hey, you're

1744
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: the man. You're invited already. Alright, careful what you say.

1745
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: Al right, down well, good luck this season. All right, thanks,

1746
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, all right, have a good one, all right,

1747
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: and with that we are going to wrap up today's show. Now,

1748
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: a couple of quick updates from us here. We talked

1749
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: about the Sica photo contest going on right now, and

1750
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: we also just launched a little weekly giveaway related to

1751
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:26,599
Speaker 1: photos for Wired to Hunt. If you're on Instagram every Wednesday,

1752
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: we are now doing the Wired to Hunt Wednesday giveaway,

1753
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: where if you post a hunting related photo and Instagram

1754
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: on Wednesday using hashtag wired to Hunt Wednesday, you'll be

1755
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 1: eligible to win a weird Hunt detail and some other

1756
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: cool Wired Hunt swag. So make sure you post your

1757
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: pictures on Wednesdays with hashtag wired to Hunt Wednesday and

1758
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: otherwise if you're not subscribed, yet to the podcast on

1759
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: iTunes or through Stitcher on Android. Make sure you do that.

1760
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: It makes things a lot easier as you'll get each

1761
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: week's new episode straight on your phone or mobile device.

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01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 1: So with all that said, we do want to thank

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01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: our partners who helped make the Wired to Hunt podcast possible.

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01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: So big thank you too, sick A Gear, Trophy, Ridge

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01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,959
Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Hunt, ra Maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express,

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tail Institute of North America.

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01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 1: And finally, thank you all for joining us today. Hopefully

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01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: you learn something from this, Hopefully you enjoy listening to

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01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: Don on us chat here, and of course we hope

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Speaker 1: you'll stay Wired to Hunt