WEBVTT - Spellbound w/ Kristen Hager

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 2>you with another episode. I'm Lisa and I'm Kara, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>every week another one. We never stop. We never stop,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think some people sometimes stop, but we do not.

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<v Speaker 1>We really never have taken a break. And I hope

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<v Speaker 1>all of you notice that these Chris re releases ever one,

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<v Speaker 1>never have we done a re release.

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<v Speaker 4>We get it fucking done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny because we pre quartered last interview like

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<v Speaker 2>our last intro though, and everyone today is like, hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're recovering from Saint Patrick's to day, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like I was in bed by eleven. We know Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick's in my heart and mine. I agreed to like

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<v Speaker 2>do a sketch for for I don't know, it's just yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of spots this weekend, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was walking around a lot and people were out and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt jealous.

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<v Speaker 4>I was there. My husband was in Chicago this past weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, Chicago on Saint Patrick's

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<v Speaker 1>Day weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I misbehaved so bad one of the parades

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<v Speaker 2>got canceled for years. I mean it's yeah, I almost

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<v Speaker 2>got arrested by Secret Service because I did charge at

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<v Speaker 2>Rod Blogoyevitch.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is pre arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure I've brought this up before, but I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>I know a scumbag.

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<v Speaker 1>You charged at it. I don't think i've ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>this book. I was fucking blacked out as all hell.

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<v Speaker 2>I should find the photos because I'm like so blonde,

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<v Speaker 2>so drunk, and my friend and I just saw his

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<v Speaker 2>ass in the parade and I just started going at

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<v Speaker 2>him and then like you know, people in suits started

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<v Speaker 2>coming at me, and then we ran away and then

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<v Speaker 2>we went ice skating, so which I can't believe. I think, God,

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't fall break our faces. I mean, what like,

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<v Speaker 2>blacked out as fuck ice skating and charging at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the governor. But you know he's been pardoned, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is a piece of shit, like every politician, every I

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<v Speaker 2>honestly death to them all.

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<v Speaker 4>JK.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our postwatch what Happens live intro. That is true,

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<v Speaker 2>But and I was supposed to go to Luigi's trial

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow postponed another thirty days. Oh my god, without an

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<v Speaker 2>indictment being held. But yeah, so I was gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to court tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be April nineteenth. And that also ends like

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be the limit to like his right for

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<v Speaker 2>a speedy trial.

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<v Speaker 4>All that.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually wrote an email to care and the lawyer

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<v Speaker 2>through the White site, so if I get more info,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll update everybody. But I'm just because I watched all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff and I read some of the things this

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<v Speaker 2>morning before soul cycle. I'm a busy girl. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>my best friend accused me.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes, She goes, I I'm into this Luigi stuff

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<v Speaker 1>better than when you were obsessed the gypsy Rose Blanchard.

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<v Speaker 4>I go, that has never happened. I go.

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<v Speaker 2>I was interested because that is a big thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>I go, there was never an inkling that that was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an obsession and follow And we got

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<v Speaker 2>into kind of like an argument yesterday because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're I can just.

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<v Speaker 1>Back up the that I don't remember that being a

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<v Speaker 1>thing of yours. No, obviously we were interested, we were

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<v Speaker 1>chatting I'm glad she's free.

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<v Speaker 4>Am I following her every step?

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<v Speaker 1>No? It makes me oh, the Luigi of it all

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<v Speaker 1>is not even You've barely given Gypsy a wink compared

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<v Speaker 1>to the list.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. She didn't believe me, and I go no.

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<v Speaker 2>Internally, I'm telling you I never felt the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>But also with what's happening at Colombia and all these

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<v Speaker 2>people getting deported, it's like too much to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm doing this and.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Yeah, so Pennsylvania, basically there's all these motions to

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<v Speaker 2>throw all these the rest away and all this evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a separate thing. That's a separate lawyer. And

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<v Speaker 2>then this federal case. So my thing is like is

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<v Speaker 2>it because because if the federal government had enough evidence

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<v Speaker 2>in a case, why wouldn't they just indict him?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like do they not have a case? And

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<v Speaker 2>this is better? Is this also good for her because

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<v Speaker 2>she can build a case? Are they trying to work

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<v Speaker 2>on a plea right now? Is this unfair? Is like

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<v Speaker 2>what is actually going on? But after the indictment, it

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<v Speaker 2>has to be a max of seventy days to get

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<v Speaker 2>to trial, Like I am just like trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>comedy and be a fun girl. But anyway, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>keep you posted if Karen responds to me, I also,

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<v Speaker 2>I did you know I dropped the pod. I was like, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I have been, you know, spouting about you on a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I can always stop, I go. If you'd

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<v Speaker 4>like me to stop, I'll stop.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have any thing, because in my head,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I guess it gives her more time to

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<v Speaker 2>like work on this case and get the death penalty

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<v Speaker 2>off the table, and like and is it good?

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<v Speaker 4>Do they not have a case?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what does them holding him without an indictment and

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<v Speaker 2>keep asking for excessions me?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I'm curious where would he get the

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty in New York? I thought the name in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, it's federal. It's the federal. They're like, the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government is because this is the thing. The defense

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<v Speaker 1>is complying with all of this and agreeing to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I read one of the documents and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the defense says yes, but the last the last

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<v Speaker 1>court date where I read the transcription, she was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're agreeing to it because the death penalty is being

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<v Speaker 1>loomed over our head, like, yeah, we're not gonna fight,

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<v Speaker 1>like we have to comply. There's a man's life is

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<v Speaker 1>on the line, right So but yeah, it's like federal.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think they have an actual case because

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<v Speaker 1>they keep asking for these extensions.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I don't know. I do think that,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think it's like a frame job. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't find someone they had to or it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a professional type pit And I think they like

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<v Speaker 2>got the wrong pansy. I think they are if they

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<v Speaker 2>got the wrong patsy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're gonna frame somebody, you can't pick a guy

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<v Speaker 1>that hot, you you cannot Next time, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>You gonna not only hot.

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<v Speaker 2>We have ivy League valedictorian of like private high school,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have sexy, we have brains, we have wealth,

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<v Speaker 2>and we and he seems zen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I I don't know. Yeah. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to tell Ralph Lauren on that first day. Wait, can

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<v Speaker 1>we also talk about no if unless is Luigi? Watch

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<v Speaker 1>are we concluded? I don't want to cut you off, Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So we've been getting tons and tons of this video

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<v Speaker 1>of what looks like the.

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<v Speaker 2>FBI girl it is we someone better fucking d m us.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no way. There is no way.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got this video of what looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI going into a New York City art gallery and

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<v Speaker 1>taking a stolen Rembrandt painting that it like is believed

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<v Speaker 1>to be part of the Isabella Stuart Gardner heist, which

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<v Speaker 1>we just did last week on the podcast Wait Happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Message fucking Lare.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the deal it was. It's a marketing ploint, of

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<v Speaker 1>course it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, because in my head, what what I was seeing

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what I wanted to confirm with our friend

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<v Speaker 2>was like that that wouldn't be in a Chelsea art gallery,

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<v Speaker 2>is what I kept saying online where it's like this

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<v Speaker 2>is a Rebrandt would not be hanging out in Chelsea?

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<v Speaker 2>Is Yes, I was what I saw, you know, briefly

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<v Speaker 2>on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and then so who was in a publicity

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<v Speaker 1>stunt for? Because the FBI doesn't real but fuck you?

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<v Speaker 1>How dare you do this so close to us?

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<v Speaker 4>I know?

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<v Speaker 1>And like the whole thing is that when people when

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<v Speaker 1>somebody was like yeah, but somebody message us like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but why does the guy look the FBI agent look

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<v Speaker 1>like Colin Joe's and it's true, like they had they

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<v Speaker 1>should have cast somebody older, more hag like this young

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<v Speaker 1>fresh faced FBI agent being like, excuse me, he just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like an actor. Let's see, it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>called any Day Now the movie, but I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>it's for a movie. Yeah, yea, oh my god, well

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<v Speaker 1>ye boycott. I don't see anything about the movie on

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<v Speaker 1>IMDb or anything. There's another movie called any Day Now,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's y it's from twenty twelve, so like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really get it. But there's a full article on

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<v Speaker 1>Boston Nbcboston dot com that is talking about how this

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<v Speaker 1>the director's name is Eric Aaronson.

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<v Speaker 4>In the movie about the Museum, Like what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>The film premiere's Monday Night, which I think is like yesterday, right,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just look at the date of this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the film premiered on Saint Patrick's Day Monday at

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<v Speaker 1>the Summerville Theater and is loosely based on the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety heist.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just wild.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you have this, it's a it must be

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<v Speaker 1>a very indie movie. It doesn't even have an IMDb

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<v Speaker 1>and this stunt is like very seems very high. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I've inexpensive, you know what I've learned.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how most movies get made in Hollywood rich parents. Okay, yeah, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure someone helped pay for the Indy and he

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<v Speaker 2>had money to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, because literally, like this is playing at No Shade,

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<v Speaker 1>but Summerville just like a small neighborhood of Boston, and

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<v Speaker 1>but only that, like bake Heist is in New York,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're you're doing across state lines. All the articles

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<v Speaker 1>are back up like I'm looking, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>article or six hours ago, forty four minutes, so twenty

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<v Speaker 1>hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>All of this. We we talked about this weeks ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry and I want yeah, and I don't care. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's we totally and no one's asking for our expert opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>This is nonsense, the disrespect Again, why am I not

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<v Speaker 2>being asked questions?

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<v Speaker 4>I just like, this is a huge stunt for a.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie that doesn't have an IMDb page, and like literally

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<v Speaker 1>web videos have IMDb pages, commercials have IMDb pages now,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's.

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<v Speaker 4>A huge stunt.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I did think for three seconds that they possibly

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<v Speaker 1>were finding a real part of the Isabella Stewart Gardner

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<v Speaker 1>heist and that we had.

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<v Speaker 4>Something to do with it, and I was excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I apologize. I do have another Luigi thing,

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<v Speaker 2>so the one thing that's funny. So I have to

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<v Speaker 2>follow these Luigi accounts and I will say they are unhinged,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think these people are unwell, but that's my

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<v Speaker 2>only way to know that there's new documents or motions

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<v Speaker 2>or like stuff happening like so sometimes they so all

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<v Speaker 2>of them are like pissed because Law and Order original

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<v Speaker 2>Recipe is doing a Luigi based case and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>how is this legal? We need to get this down

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck? And I had to be like, listen, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not an orchestrated attack. They've been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for thirty plus years. You're making us look crazy, like

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot go after Law and Order like that is.

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<v Speaker 4>They're like, literally, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, they get away with it because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a disclaimer up top, like girl, but it was funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you caught up on White Lotus? Yes? I love

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<v Speaker 4>Walt Walton, Walton.

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<v Speaker 1>Walt Goggins walk body that him listening to Sam Rockwell

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<v Speaker 1>talk Fellow Soul cycler.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like obsessed. I'm like, honestly, what a cool

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<v Speaker 2>face to make. I loved it.

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<v Speaker 4>And Sam Rock Wellry Bibb your soul cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the Megan Fahe of this season. So much with

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<v Speaker 2>a face, so much with a face, it's like heavenly.

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<v Speaker 1>This season is so like scary, Like I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the other two seasons, it's.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you know someone's gonna die.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess like that's the like you you obviously know

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<v Speaker 1>a body is going to wash up. But in Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>and Venice, I never felt like, oh, these people are

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<v Speaker 1>all in danger. In Thailand, I'm like anybody could be

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<v Speaker 1>murdered at any moment for some reason, and like just

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<v Speaker 1>like so many sketchy people staying at this hotel, like

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<v Speaker 1>the girls.

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<v Speaker 4>Manager go fuck yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And I heard he played the big Nazian zone of interest,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Got a face. Oh my god, that is him. Shit,

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<v Speaker 4>I just put that together. Fuck he's good though.

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<v Speaker 2>Also I learned that my last Luigi letter was too

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<v Speaker 2>long and it will be sent back, so I had

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<v Speaker 2>to write this is my fifth attempt too long.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I didn't know there was a word count.

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<v Speaker 1>I diden either it's three page max Eight eight and

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<v Speaker 1>a half by eleven standard sized paper, I'm assuming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, you can't have non standard size. They

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<v Speaker 2>sent that back too. Yeah wow, these prisons, these prisons.

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<v Speaker 4>You wrote more than three pages to him?

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<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately I did, because other things kept getting sent back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it wasn't like I had like this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>five letters in one I have a lot to say. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like all of these because I had

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<v Speaker 2>three letters get sent back, so and I know my

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<v Speaker 2>fourth one's about to get sent back, so I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>like waiting for it, like so annoyed. I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even care anymore. I mean I do. I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to get I just want to offer my services. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually like for some reason, I might have

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<v Speaker 2>been drunk or just like excited, but someone gave me

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<v Speaker 2>this idea and I acted like we've never thought about

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<v Speaker 2>this ever in our lives, but clearly we've played this

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<v Speaker 2>probably and with these people. But it might just be fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck Mary kil Amorrow, Stabler cares God.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really want to be married to any of them,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, Oh I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I just don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm fucking tomorrow, I'm marrying Caresy and I'm murdering Stabler.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unfortunately, I think I'm murdering Careesy and fucking tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>and marrying Stabler. I don't think I'm gonna like it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to be married to Carese either.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't like with theh you want to can like?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that's for me. He's gonna be like

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<v Speaker 1>want bacon for breakfast? Ever, I don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 1>it's not I don't think. I just not tracted to Creasy,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess marriage isn't about that. I would rather

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<v Speaker 1>argue with Stabler than just be like bored with Creasy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would be bored with Creasy personally. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's fine, but it's just that's who I'm picking.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be married to Stabler. He has

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<v Speaker 2>never gone to therapy and he has anger problems like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not yode for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would hate it. I don't want to be I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be married to either one of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd rather be married to someone that's too nice.

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<v Speaker 1>At least we can agree that we're both fucking Amorrow. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>just for the one time, right, that's what buck Mary kill.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a one timer. Yeah, yeah, one time only.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess they can text you back if

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I would just be rather be married to Stabler

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<v Speaker 1>almost because I feel like sometimes he can be normal,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas Tomorrow just is always fucking flying off the handle

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<v Speaker 1>like a wacko. So yeah, I don't think I could

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<v Speaker 1>be married to him. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely fucking him.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait oh and shout out to everyone that came to

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb Show Minnesota and I'm actually in Minnesota doing my

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<v Speaker 2>own shows this weekend. At Sisyphis Brewing. They have to

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<v Speaker 2>get a new name. It's like so uncomfortable to say it, Sisyphis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that sounds like a puss disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sisphilis does come from the words Sisyphis.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So what is the etymology? Like, why are they

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<v Speaker 4>doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Someone's got a fucking boner for Greek

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<v Speaker 1>mythology or something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's probably a nice ven diagram between

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<v Speaker 2>Greek mythology and.

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<v Speaker 1>Brewing, you know. Yeah, yeah, but I will be there.

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<v Speaker 1>But Caleb play is trivia.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's always questions and you have to get a

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<v Speaker 2>certain amount right. And I truly knew so much about

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota and people were really impressed with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I've won every time I've played, So

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<v Speaker 2>this is my I've played four trivia's on that pod

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<v Speaker 2>and I've won every single time.

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<v Speaker 4>And the minute what like, what kind of Minnesota questions?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember them all.

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<v Speaker 2>It asked if like the Gophers were the mascot of

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<v Speaker 2>the university basketball team, and I said yes, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was true.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all truth false.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I'm he asked if it was known as something

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<v Speaker 2>about rivers and I'm like, you, dumb bitch, it's ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand lates, oh dari. And then he asked if it

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<v Speaker 2>was what the capital was and I knew it Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Paul and that's all I'm thinking about right now.

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<v Speaker 4>But he tried to fuck me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so, you know, I famously know all the NBA teams,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's like, as they're thirty teams and I got

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<v Speaker 2>to say false, motherfucker, and he couldn't believe it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he said, are there ten thousand dots on a basketball?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said more and he goes, are you sure?

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<v Speaker 2>About that, and I go, I am and I was right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he tried to fuck me. But I just like

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<v Speaker 2>I do know things wildly, and I think I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>hero for podtheads everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, was I believe how much you remember? For smoking Pot?

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<v Speaker 1>Like when I spoke pot, I'm like in a full

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<v Speaker 1>fugue state. I don't know what's going on, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Okay, Well, all right, so I'm gonna do my

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<v Speaker 2>watch what Happens Live kind of monologue unless you do

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<v Speaker 2>want to say stuff beforehand.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know anything if I feel there's a place.

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<v Speaker 2>So I also like didn't think it was gonna actually happen,

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<v Speaker 2>like until the day before when Andy said and tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>there will be Lisa. I was like, they're gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>it away from me, Like there's no way I get

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<v Speaker 2>to do this. Like so I was on edge just

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<v Speaker 2>like waiting till it was the day. Then of course

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<v Speaker 2>I go to soul Cycle with my friend Caitlin, and

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<v Speaker 2>there I see Leslie Bib White lotuses Leslie Bib So

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<v Speaker 2>she probably thought I was just a deranged fan bothering

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<v Speaker 2>her to her workout, but instead I went, hey, girl,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you love Bravo I'm on watch what happens tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>So then we start talking about West the guests who

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<v Speaker 2>I was on with, who I was too nice to,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>He ended up being great. I partied with him till

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<v Speaker 4>two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot he was a young man and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>drink brown liquor. But anyways, I don't know what why

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>So then Leslie Bib ended up giving me the best

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<v Speaker 2>advice ever, because you do get some of the questions

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of time, but there's way more. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the questions and she goes, I don't even look

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<v Speaker 2>at them. It all changes on the fly, like be

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment, have fun, like do not care or

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<v Speaker 2>prep for anything, And I go, bitch, you just changed

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<v Speaker 2>my day. So she also said not to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously did not listen, Okay, So then like are you kidding? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>when we did the shots, ski Andy goes, WHOA, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that was real and I was like, yeah, bitch, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not doing water here. Actually, on my way to get

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<v Speaker 1>my nails done, there's a store that opens at noon

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be open at eleven thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Wildly like I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, girl, you're open early, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>got to go in there by like a Wicked themed notepad.

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<v Speaker 4>So then important important day of show stuff. So then

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<v Speaker 4>as I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Walking, I was like, well, I gotta get andy something.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to get some you know, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>to my toy stores. But then I run into Sabrina Bryer,

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<v Speaker 2>famous from the Internet, and her friend Lucas.

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<v Speaker 4>So then I get to like chit chat.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I love running into people on the streets. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just like feeling fuck in pumped. You're feeling Jovanni, you Banni,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the prep for the day is watching Bravo,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like heaven. And then I wanted to catch

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<v Speaker 2>up on some summerhouse to get my opinions sorted. West

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<v Speaker 2>fucking dms me follows me, sends me a photo he's

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<v Speaker 2>watching my special.

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<v Speaker 4>I send him a photo I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Watching him but it's the reunion, but it's the reunion

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<v Speaker 2>from last season, and he goes, God, could you just

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<v Speaker 2>watch anything but that, Like, are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>And I go, no, you scumbag, you know, But already

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<v Speaker 2>that's like nice as fuck. So then Candice Hair and

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<v Speaker 2>Makeup comes over, A couple of our friends come over.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I brought Lane there because Andy Cohen has

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<v Speaker 2>looked him up and down in the streets of New

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<v Speaker 2>York multiple times, and so I brought him as bait.

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<v Speaker 2>So I brought him as just a little bait. But

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<v Speaker 2>Andy's too busy. He filmed three shows that day. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, three shows. Yeah, so and then I so

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<v Speaker 2>we walk in. So then the girls are here. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting dressed makeup here. They send an escalate. I

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<v Speaker 2>love a Cadillac. So then when we get there, Jen

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<v Speaker 2>Fessler is sitting on the couch and I'm looking and

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<v Speaker 2>I go jen Fessler. West brought Jenfesler. He's not even there.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's there. She's so nice. We're chatting with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's kind of like drinks, having fun, making

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<v Speaker 2>Instagrams photos. Andy says, Hi, we hug in the hallway.

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<v Speaker 2>We get to do the promo, and then I find

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<v Speaker 2>out I'm in first chair, and that's when, like, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't even believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm the bartender. I couldn't believe whenever I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a stand up on or like somebody who's not

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<v Speaker 1>on Bravo, they're usually in the second chair. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was surprised one hundred percent because I was like, he's

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<v Speaker 1>the Bravo liberty. But I was like, but he's a man,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe they'll put But that's just when I was rationalizing.

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<v Speaker 1>After never in my life did I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be first chair. I definitely thought second chair. But

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<v Speaker 1>West was nice. We do our little promo. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that we got to meet Eric, you know, chef Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just like, did Andy remember you're from us Bartending.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not bring it up. There is just no time.

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<v Speaker 2>He is like really wild, he has on his phone.

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<v Speaker 2>But when he introduced me as Liza, he called me

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<v Speaker 2>Liza twice.

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<v Speaker 4>I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew he would fix it. He did, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I went it happened. You know, I should have been like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gay. The gays really have the hardest time with

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<v Speaker 1>it because they just know about love Liza. They love

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<v Speaker 1>Liza and I, you know, culturally, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like that's I feel the same way

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<v Speaker 1>about Kara. When it's a British person, I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>love British culture. Go off with Kara. If you're like

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<v Speaker 1>another person, you know, but you need to say it

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. But if you're British, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gay, you can go Liza. I guess you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And if you're hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Brett Goldstein the whole podcast called me Lisa and I allowed,

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<v Speaker 2>fully allowed it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, it must be the accent.

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<v Speaker 2>So and West is taller, and you would think he

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<v Speaker 2>just looks short because he's around Carl and Jesse, but

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<v Speaker 2>like he is hot.

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<v Speaker 4>He's fucking hot and nice and smart.

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.199
<v Speaker 2>We talked about geopolitical stuff like it was kind of

0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:10.240
<v Speaker 2>what we talked about Ukraine.

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:13.840
<v Speaker 4>It was not on air, not on air, but he

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<v Speaker 4>thought that it would.

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.880
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I thought, because of your stuff, like and

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:19.040
<v Speaker 1>they would bring up you.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, on watch what happened? On Watch? Happened? Dog?

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<v Speaker 1>Come on?

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<v Speaker 2>And then so But once he got my name right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I also I won the Tic Tacto game.

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<v Speaker 2>I won the game the fastest I think in history

0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>anyone has won it. Like I was on fire. I

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<v Speaker 2>made Andy lapp oh about the bartending. So in the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning when after he introduced me and he said something,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I've been in the audience twice. Bartended once

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm here, and then we double high five. But

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. And even at the end he did

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<v Speaker 2>say drum roll. He goes, you're gonna have to come back. Oh,

0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.920
<v Speaker 2>so that's pretty huge. And then I pushed my luck

0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:57.920
<v Speaker 2>by going, can we just take a photo?

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<v Speaker 4>And he goes, I just can't.

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<v Speaker 2>And I go, oh my god, I'm being too desperate

0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, you're not being desperate, but I gotta go.

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 4>But don't they didn't that guy coming.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what Andy said, not just about Andy. Andy goes,

0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.119
<v Speaker 2>we got enough. He's like, we got enough, So I

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.399
<v Speaker 2>got it. It was fine. But then Julia told me

0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Jen Fessler asked him for a selfie, and she said

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<v Speaker 2>that she could tell Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like, okay, like he's just hired. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>like a tired one night. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>The shot ski, I couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents were really happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I wore a heel and my dad's like, you better

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<v Speaker 2>get you swearing heels, and I flipped out, of course

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<v Speaker 2>on my family. I go, I go, I got down

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<v Speaker 2>there myself. He's like, ooh yeah, my mom such bitches. Wow,

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you haven't worn heels in forever, and it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like them. I did it because I'm already

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<v Speaker 2>sitting like that's the only reason I did it, Like

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<v Speaker 2>if I had to walk at all, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would not wear a heel. But also go, fuck they're crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>No, they liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom just said, you could tell you were really happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you were so happy the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what led to me being a

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<v Speaker 1>little too positive about Roasting West. But I do have

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>to say that I said what I wanted about Paige

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<v Speaker 1>and Craig.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I let Craig have it, but in quick,

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<v Speaker 2>concise way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 4>The producer everyone really helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was like, it's fast, just give him answers, quick answers,

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>keep moving. And as a watcher, I hate when people

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 2>think too much. I also hate when people have pre

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.639
<v Speaker 2>planned bits right, you know, as a fan, I just like,

0:24:25.560 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that's great. So Leslie bib kicked you off on the

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<v Speaker 2>right direction just living home. I guess what I'm rambling

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<v Speaker 2>to say is Paige DMed me. Wow, So Paige DMed me.

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 2>It was a thank you for defending her honor and

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<v Speaker 2>it's what I meant, so so nice. Yeah, because people

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<v Speaker 2>are giving her shit and at the end of the day,

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>he wants a trad wife to have his babies in

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the South and is annoyed that she has a career

0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 2>waiting for her to give birth, you know, instead of

0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>making it work for her.

0:24:57.320 --> 0:24:58.919
<v Speaker 4>Like he's just old school.

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.000
<v Speaker 2>He's old school traditional while like gritting his teeth trying

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to be supportive. And it's been disgusting to watch, honestly,

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 2>the last few weeks of Southern charn and Summerhouse. Yeah,

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, so it was a dream come true taking

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the shots, and then we all went to ear In,

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 2>which is one of my favorite spots famously. I saw

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Dean Winters there and then my friends all left and

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I stayed out. I stayed out with the youth till too,

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I talk about and I've really still had

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>a pep in my step ever since and just holding

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:35.640
<v Speaker 2>myself back from not posting more and more photos.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think Brown Liquor really has anything against

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<v Speaker 1>Watch what Happens. Like the buzz of Watch What Happens

0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of like took you over Brown Liquor, you know

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, Like because I didn't puke. I just

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>had to lay on the floor for like an Ye. Yeah,

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the endorphins of watch what happened combatd the

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 1>brown liquor is what I'm saying.

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and I've also been so cyclicly every like

0:25:57.000 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been almost spinning off the bike like I just not.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really sustained me.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, thanks for everyone support, DNS messages, for watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and don't be mad at Andy for calling me Eliza.

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 2>It also happened when I met Miley Cyrus. It's truly

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>my curse, you know.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have a yeah, you have a different

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 1>pronunciation of a of a common name. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>tough stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I looked at the teleprompter in parentheses it

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:24.719
<v Speaker 2>said Lisa.

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>It saw the teleprompter like Liza. Not to throw them

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<v Speaker 1>under the bus, you know. I hope this doesn't get

0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>clipped for the internet. No, I don't think anyone's kissing.

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>But then people obviously were protecting Craig. And then I

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>had friends and be like, I think Craig has bots

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.560
<v Speaker 1>because there's all these people writing crazy shit. Was zero followers,

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>zero post zero I read yeah, and people were like transfer.

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.440
<v Speaker 1>People are like, I bet she has balls, and I'm

0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.400
<v Speaker 1>like Lady Gaga and like, would that be the worst

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>thing to transphobic here? I don't think so, Oh my god,

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and West, I can't off camera. I could tell you

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 1>some scoop that I got from but I you know,

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I have to I have to protect the confidence. Yeah, yeah,

0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I have your new your new best friend. Yeah, of course,

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of course we texted the next day. I truly like,

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>am livid. I'm livid that he was great because in

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>my head, I know I'm gonna let this work. Even

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Leslie Bibb was like, let him have it.

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 4>And then I couldn't. I couldn't. But yeah, dom me.

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<v Speaker 2>If you guys have questions, I feel like I covered

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<v Speaker 2>everything and then if not, I'll scream something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah wait the but then the next day we did interviews,

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.399
<v Speaker 1>I had a meeting, and then I had a show,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the I just can't really, I don't.

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 4>I should have taken the next day off. I should have.

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm surprised that you didn't. I'm surprised you scheduled

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff for the next day. I really am. You know what,

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:47.440
<v Speaker 1>we gotta yeah, work night streaming on Netflix everybody get

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>out there and watch it. If you haven't had a chance,

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't fucking matter.

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh wait.

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Also like talking about somebody who's kind of an asshole

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.120
<v Speaker 1>on the reality show, but then you like them. Carolyn

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>from Traders has been going on interviews saying she likes

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Tom Sandoval, and she's like, I think we all need

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>to forgive. We all need to like move on with

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Tom Sandoval. And I was like, Oh, I wonder how

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna go. She's such a fan, babe.

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>She is shooting him, but she's like someone that's really

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 2>into sobriety, forgiveness, second chances. Like that's her vibe. Kooky lady.

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>That's fine, and everyone can forgive whoever the fuck they want.

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 4>I will not. I do not try.

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>If you are willing to do this to your life partner,

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna fuck their best friend while you're at your

0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 2>grandmother's funeral. And the fair started the day your beloved

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 2>dog fucking dies, your scum.

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't need to forgive you.

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't care if that's the You shouldn't have to

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 2>be defined by the worst moment of your life. But like,

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know you, and I don't need to get

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to know you.

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 4>What is this thing? I don't need to forgive shit.

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I actually saw the back of Ariana's boyfriend's head this week.

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I went to a soft opening of a restaurant. He's

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 2>an investor in. My friend said, I think he's here.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, I went to a late night soul cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like out of my mind, and I go, I'll

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>be there in a half hour.

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 4>And I saw the back of his head.

0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Wow, he's cute. They seem happy. I think, you know,

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:12.479
<v Speaker 1>I think everything happens for a reason. Now she's with

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 1>a better guy. He just was such a fucking adult

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.959
<v Speaker 1>on the Traders. It was so entertaining to watch, Like

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I would watch him on more shows where he thinks

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he's so important and he's.

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 4>Such a dumb ass. But anyway, let's get go.

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if this was the after show

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 2>or on regular on the watch Rappons side, but it's like,

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>which wife should have a comeback? And I said, Eileen,

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and Andy goes on the regular Andy goes. That's the

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 2>second person to say it this week. Guess who it was?

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Michelle fucking Collins. Oh yep, I and she goes, that's

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 2>because we have good taste. Oh look what I'm wearing.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, she's wearing her Olivia Benson Era's sweatshirt that

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a listener nailed us.

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Casey is losing his mind. We need to start it.

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Look, thank you to the listener who mailed us these Olivia's,

0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 1>these Olivia Eras sweatshirts. They're gorgeous, and thank you so much.

0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there was a card or not,

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and I apologize if there wasn't. I thought I didn't

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>think there was, but thank you so much for showing

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>so wearing my bracelet that says thrashing, that's what Oh.

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I looked down yesterday and Oscar was like, look at

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.080
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful bracelet I found because they play with my

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>friendship bracelets, and it was the one that says let

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Olivia fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're okay.

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>He can't read, but you know, pretty soon I'm gonna

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>have to start censoring these bracelets.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get started.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a great show today. Okay, we are doing Spellbound.

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:48.239
<v Speaker 1>This is season eighteen, episode eighteen, eighteen eighteen. I had

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously seen it, but it was like watching it anew

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>for me because I hadn't seen it in a long time,

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>so I.

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Very much like what's gonna happen? Maybe twice, but it

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>was fresh for me. And it also like is similar

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>to some other it is.

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>There are other episodes like this A spiritual guy that's yeah,

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>takes advantage and it's not just a NICEIVU trope. I

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 1>think it's you know, it's a life. It's a wild trope. Yeah,

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.240
<v Speaker 1>like that happens all the fucking time. Every fucking guru

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you hear about has done something creepy. So we open

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>on a cold night in Manhattan. This couple's walking. He's

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to pitch like a night on the couch snuggling,

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, babe, we do that all the time.

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I know you don't get it, but

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I need to do this for me. And everyone says

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. So you're like, what is she doing? But

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 1>she kisses him goodbye and gets in the car. He

0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:41.360
<v Speaker 1>has like a moment of worry on his face and

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>that's that and then a very early done done. I

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.480
<v Speaker 1>feel like we don't always get like a dunt done

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>right in the cold open, there's a dunt done not.

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Since like the early seasons.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Now yeah, I mean some of these newer ones, it's

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 2>like a full six minute art.

0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like the girl, Yeah tell New York from Ohai. Yeah,

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>he gets such a there's a there's like an indie

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.320
<v Speaker 1>pop song playing like it's a full Yeah, it's like

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>a full short film playing at the very beginning in

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the cold open. But this is like quick to a

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>dunt done. And we're at the apartment of Declan Trask

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's like we already have a Declan on this show,

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>like we're in we're in the seasons that are right

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>after Declan Murphy, and I think we just need to

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 1>give the guy a different fucking Irish name. And uh,

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Trask reminds me of this character and Working Girl. Have

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>you seen Working Girl Melanie Griffith and Joan Cusack.

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 4>No, but I should.

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Lisa, it's one of the best movies.

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I love it so much. It's one of the best movie.

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 4>Seems like it's up my alley.

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>It is absolutely I mean, let the River Run is

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like the big song from it, you know, like for

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>the Carly Simon song, like they're on the ferry from

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Staten Island and it's like let the river like it's

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>so good. Anyway, Melanie Griffith. In the movie, there's a

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>character named Trask and she always goes mister Trask, and

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the way she keeps saying, it's like that name's always

0:32:55.960 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>in my head because she says it's so sexy. And

0:32:58.120 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>then I looked it up and the guy who plays

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>t is Svu Judge and Vincenzo from It Takes Two.

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 1>So it is a full circle Trask moment for me

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>right now that this guy and I forgot his name.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.440
<v Speaker 1>It's phil Bosco, I think is his name, and so

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that just wow, that on the top of my head

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>is part of the illness that I have, like that

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I just know this man's name off the top of

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>my head. Anyway, he is mister Trask and working girl.

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>And if you're a working girl, girly, let us know

0:33:24.480 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>in the comments, because I fucking love that movie. So anyway,

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 1>this blonde woman enters the building, the apartment building, and

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>she goes Deanima to the doorman and then he just

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>like lets her through and she heads to the elevator

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>and she gets on with this other guy and he says,

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>de anima to her, So I mean, Anima in Italian

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>is soul, so I don't know if that's like Latin

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>and that's some kind of like from the Soul password,

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 1>but it's very on the nose, and it's this feels

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of eyes wide shut shit immediately, right.

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>So they take the elevator up together, her and this guy.

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Inside it's obviously a massive apartment. People are barefoot, there's

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>projections on the wall reading Release Bliss and everything now,

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.959
<v Speaker 1>and there's like what I imagined the CD they sold

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 1>at the Rainforest Cafe, like that kind of music is playing.

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.680
<v Speaker 1>And then Declan Trask walks up. He's cute. The actor's

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 1>named Stuart Townsend. I literally recognize this man because he

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 1>dated Charlie's theron hat Mary Well. He said they were married,

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>but they weren't married. He said that they referred to

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.960
<v Speaker 1>each other as husband and wife, but they weren't, but

0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that they never actually did like a ceremony or like

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>a legal thing.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.919
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I just remember him being really tan. Yeah

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 4>he is.

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean he's especially for an irishman. He's quite tanned

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.439
<v Speaker 1>for an irishman. And it's like, yeah, we just had

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 1>iconic Donald Logue as Declan and he was declan undercover.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 1>We don't need another duclan. Let's get another name up

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>here with this Decklan Trask. But nonetheless he's here. I

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 1>don't really know what else I know this guy from,

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:56.359
<v Speaker 1>but he's acted in a bunch of stuff. I don't

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>know if he acts anymore. And then the girl, the

0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>blonde girl is Kristin Hager. She has been on Chicago Med.

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>She's on suits La, which just premiered I believe, or

0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>is premiering right now, because it is kind of wild

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that suits just did so well on Netflix that they

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>just rebooted it kind of and now there's a Suit's La.

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 4>It's like, it's like, I mean, that's what's like cool.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Timing isn't anything you know, like the Kate Bush song

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that became popular because of like Stranger Things, and all

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>the songs that became repopular because of Yellow Jackets, like

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 2>or that Cruel Summer from Taylor Swift was like number

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>one on the charts year after five albums were released.

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's Jornsnoff did a speech about this. I'm not, like,

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, a musical chart genius, but it's like cool

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.800
<v Speaker 2>that things have less of a timeline now.

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, even like when you think about like Jeane

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Smart having the best time time of her career. I mean,

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:52.919
<v Speaker 1>I know she's been around for a while, but she's

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>honestly popping like later in her career.

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.280
<v Speaker 4>Jennifer Coolidge, same thing. It's great.

0:35:57.360 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean I love that and everyone to make it

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.359
<v Speaker 2>about me. But you could still watch my special night

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 2>owll Netflix, or tell.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 4>A friend or a coworker, yes, get in there.

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Night Owl's probably doing great right now, but like who

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>fucking knows, in like two years, it could be something

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:16.839
<v Speaker 1>where it like pull ups off and gets mass. Of course,

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>hopefully sooner, but you know what I mean, It is

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>just cool to have your shit out there because anything

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 1>could happen with it at anytime.

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Anyway. Okay, so yeah, so she's on Suit's La.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>She's the moment you're gonna see her more of her,

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>And this is obviously now we're figuring out some kind

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>of ayahuasca ceremony. Everybody's gathered around some big like cauldron.

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>He's doling out this tea and he's like, if you

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>open your souls tonight could change.

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 4>Your whole life.

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.080
<v Speaker 1>And the elevator guy says to the blonde girl, buckle

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>your seatbelt and whatever. They have like a little cheers moment.

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.719
<v Speaker 1>We don't see her drink the tea. We just cut

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>to her boyfriend dragging her test VU Okay, she wants

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 1>to leave. She's like, this is a bad idea, fine,

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, and he's insisting. He goes in and grabs

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Benson and goes, I think my girlfriend Abby was raped

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>at a spiritual retreat last night.

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 4>And as they go.

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Back into the hallway, Abby's trying to kind of run

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>her way away and Benson's like, not so fast, girly,

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm your best friend. She's like, Hi, Like let Abby

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:18.800
<v Speaker 1>don't go anywhere, Like, let's talk about this. What happened?

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 1>Where did this happen? Can you name your rapist? And

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>she goes, yeah, Declan Trask. She goes, he's a healer

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 1>who was supposed to change my life and now, if

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, he has changed her life in a bad way.

0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 1>So now that's the credits. Top of Act one were

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.680
<v Speaker 1>in wood room blinds. Abby's explaining I was at the

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 1>siahuasca retreat and Benson's never heard of yahuasca before. I mean,

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty seventeen. I was surprised. I was surprised she

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 1>knows everything about fashion. I guess she's not as hot

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 1>into the drug world. I was just so not into that.

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 1>She's a cop. At the end of the day, she's

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>not into drugs, sure, but like and she can't get

0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>spiritual or she would quit her job.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 4>It's too much beat to handle.

0:37:57.120 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I know.

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Benson can't meditate.

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>She has to do like kickboxing only and like running

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>in the park with a trainer. Okay, So Benson is

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 1>like Ayahuasca come again and rollins is like it's a

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>drug from Peru. It causes hallucinations. It's supposed to give

0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>you insights into your life. And I would say around

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 1>this time in twenty seventeen, ayahuasca is big, Like people are.

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to hear of comics, a lot of comics

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and comedians and people I know going on ayahuasca retreats.

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, allegedly, you go for like a whole weekend,

0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you drink it, you throw up a lot thing, talk

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the relatives.

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 4>And they're gonna get into it.

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>In the episode, I like love the people they cast

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 2>in the direction it gets shotted in. It's just like

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>it's always the worst most unstable lunatic people that are

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>telling you it's changed their lives, and you're sitting there

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:48.839
<v Speaker 2>being like you are worse than ever. Yeah, you're worse

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>than ever. Ketamine did not work for you. I don't know,

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 2>you need to sue somebody, like it's never I mean

0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 2>there was one Like so it's really I've been on

0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>that for years. Yeah, cool, that's to turrent for me now.

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I well, I heard about it on like Bitch Sash,

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 1>like Casey Wilson's Bravo podcast, Like she went out and

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>did it and was like talking about talking about it

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 1>and everything. But she was like making jokes about how

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>she was like fucking up during like the throwing up

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and everything. I mean, she loves to talk about like

0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:18.280
<v Speaker 1>shitting her pants and all this kind of stuff.

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, I just.

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Remember being like, oh, it feels like a lot of

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 1>people are doing ayahuasca right now, like it's having a time.

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>And Abby's like They're like, okay, so you were on

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 1>ayahuasca And Abby's like, no, I never took it.

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:31.160
<v Speaker 4>I got scared.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:33.479
<v Speaker 1>So you know, one of the reasons why we didn't

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 1>see your drink it is because you never fucking drank it.

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, this all went down around twelve thirty.

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>But also it's like, if you're gonna do ayahuasca, you're

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>not in Manhattan. I feel like you're getting out. You're

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>going into the woods somewhere. It's a full weekend. You're

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna throw up. It's not like getting into a cab

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and going to some bolding in a big apartment. But

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm maybe I'm Slee did a drug journey at

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a house near the airport in La So you never know.

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 4>You never know where a drug journey was.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that is funny. Near the airport near lax Well, Mick,

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I have a friend that lives there. He could do

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>a perfectly nice drug journey at her house.

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 2>But also like she was full plastic surgery out and

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>deferring to her husband. It was just like, I don't

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 2>think you're the spiritual that we're looking for.

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's like probably the people that are actually

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>good at spiritually leading you don't have access to like

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the marketing and the money to.

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:23.680
<v Speaker 4>Get to you.

0:40:23.680 --> 0:40:27.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, like it's these grifter people that have enough

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>money for plastic surgeryy or in this episode, a rich

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:32.759
<v Speaker 1>kid gone, you know, trying to change his life or.

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 4>Whatever, which we'll get to.

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.839
<v Speaker 1>So twelve thirty, Abby goes into the meditation room because

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>she wants to be alone because everyone's tripping, and I mean,

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 1>at that point, i'd be like, babe, I'm going home,

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know.

0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 4>I guess you paid for this.

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>But if I'm not doing the ayahuasca and everyone's fucking

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>tripping and puking, I'm out of there.

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:48.359
<v Speaker 4>But Declan finds her there.

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 1>She says he gives her water and then she says

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:54.839
<v Speaker 1>she felt strange and dizzy after drinking the water. And

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, so maybe he slipped ayahuasca. She's like, no, no, no,

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 1>like that shit is brown sludge. I would have seen it.

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I to taste it, and you know, she didn't know

0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing about the water. Seemed weird. And they're like, okay,

0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>well he must have drugged her with something else. She's like,

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I felt totally disoriented. He just kept talking and talking,

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and the next thing she knew, he pulled down her

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>pants and he was, you know, assaulting her. She wanted

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>to scream, but she was paralyzed. She felt powerless. So

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.919
<v Speaker 1>this sounds a lot like the scopolamine stuff that we've

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 1>talked about a million times, which is like, you're not roofeed,

0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>because when you're roofied, you're out right, like you're just

0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.399
<v Speaker 1>you're awake, you're still functioning, you could even maybe talk,

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>but you're like.

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 4>Zombie like state.

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we just did an episode about this

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>with the ice cream truck driver. So they want to

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>take her to the hospital for first thing, for a

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>rape kit and a talk screen, So good first step.

0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>In the next scene, the Gang Benson Rollins, Finn and

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Careesi are watching Trask give like a ted talk about

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>really looking in the mirror and realizing your potential, and

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Cariese's like, why does this guy look like his shoes

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>costs more than my rent? And Finn's like, oh, because

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>they do. Like he's from money. His dad is a

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>huge hedge fund guy named Tate Drask, And you know

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>we talk about this a lot, but it's like, why

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 1>do you have to work?

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then a lot of these rich people they

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 2>do want purpose, and it's like, why don't you just

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they just don't have it in them, but

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like just help people. Then yeah, I guess he

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>thinks he's helping people, but it is like, I just

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 2>if I came from extreme hedge fund wealth, I would

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>be lounging.

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh. It's like, have you seen that meme that's going

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>around about Elon Musk where it's like, you're like the

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 1>richest man in the world. Where's the Elon Musk Library,

0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Where's the Elon Musk hospital wing, where is the foundation

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that Elon Musk does for like blind children or you

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.239
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Like, he doesn't do anything good

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>with his fucking money. Maybe he might, he might donate

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 1>that we don't know, but it's like it's not Knocks,

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not He's not Bill Gates, you know what I

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>mean or Melinda Gates. Okay, So anyway, fuck these guys.

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.760
<v Speaker 1>He's a fucking hedge fund baby. And they find a

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>headline about him from notorious party boy to Shaman of

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 1>the rich and Famous, and this article talks about how

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>people pay five k for a weekend for his like

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 1>little retreats or whatever. So Rollins is like there's a

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 1>sucker born every minute, and Finn's like, I don't know,

0:43:13.160 --> 0:43:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I like how Finn Like if this was Finn

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>early seasons, he would have been like fuck these people,

0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:20.400
<v Speaker 1>but that he grows so much from like to season

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>eighteen where he goes, I don't know, everybody needs something.

0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>He's like, my ex made me go on a reiki

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>retreat to clear my energy. And they're like, well had

0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that go and he goes, yeah, made me realize it

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 1>was time to break up. So we're having fun with Finn.

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 1>But Finn's like, live you ever do anything like that?

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>And She's like, fuck that noise. Anyone who claims they

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 1>can change your life in a weekend can't. So live

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>is as you said, Lisa not here for the fucking

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:45.279
<v Speaker 1>meditation retreats. It's just not her all.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean maybe if she went to Jamaica she would

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:48.479
<v Speaker 2>hit a little weed.

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't.

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>I think she's a wine girl, very into the law,

0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.400
<v Speaker 2>even if yeah might let me tell you mental like

0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>if we did Mollie. I don't think she would judge

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 2>us if we told her. But I just can't see

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>her as a drug girl.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I could see her.

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Being like after they first of all CBD gummies, I

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 1>bet you somemmer therapist.

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 4>Told her about.

0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>But then I bet legal maybe once New York went

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like a half a gummy.

0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, just a little bit with the wind. But

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:19.439
<v Speaker 2>I think they might drug test them. I mean she's

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a sergeant, but yeah.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they still drug test for weed and places where

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>it's legal, like police, police and stuff.

0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Well, I know, if like.

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.799
<v Speaker 2>You work for the federal or like you work, there's

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>some jobs where I think, like if you're a surgeon,

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>you can't like to ask your brother, but like it,

0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>just like there are some jobs i'd prefer you not

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 2>be a stoner. Yeah, that's what I would like. Speaking

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:43.680
<v Speaker 2>of my brother, he just writes.

0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Me, I'm gonna I'm gonna spark the joint as I

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 1>give it up to the surgeons speaking of my brother,

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:51.880
<v Speaker 1>like as I literally the other yesterday he texted me.

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:53.640
<v Speaker 1>He goes, I'm a little bit behind on the podcast,

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 1>but it is just funny to me that you keep

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.400
<v Speaker 1>saying claraza pan and it's clarazza pam. And I'm like,

0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he goes, I'm sure a lot of people have written that.

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I go, No, actually, Colin, you're the first one. You're

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>the first person to let me know that I've been

0:45:04.520 --> 0:45:07.959
<v Speaker 1>saying this fucking medication wrong for so long. Anyway, live

0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:11.279
<v Speaker 1>maybe as we discussed live, like that's what she's up

0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 1>to drug wise, she's not, you know, she's not going

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to any retreats. And she sends Rollins and Careesi to

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>talk to Declan, like let's go find out what this

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:18.839
<v Speaker 1>guy has to.

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 4>Say at his place.

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 1>He's like, hey, yeah, like, if you're here about the ayahuasca,

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 1>it's legal. I'm registered to distribute it as a religious

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>ceremony as part of like the Church of Brazil or

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 1>something like that.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 4>And they're like, yeah, we're not here about that.

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 1>They do the usual song and dance like you know

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>this girl, Oh yeah, that's abbyous.

0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 4>She okay, no, she was assaulted.

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, And then he says he doesn't know anything

0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 1>about her assault. But then he's like, I mean we

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>had consensual sex, but like, I don't know how she

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 1>could have thought that was rape. He goes, yeah, she

0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to take the ayahuasca, so she went another room.

0:45:49.360 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Then we meditated, we talked, and then Rollins is like,

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.400
<v Speaker 1>and then had sex. Like again, it's like, it's not

0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that hard to just be have integrity. If this is

0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing and you're opening people's minds, don't sex

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.959
<v Speaker 1>into it. Like if that's what you're like, I don't

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>know have sex with the people later. I'm sure they

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>all want to fuck you, Like, don't do it in

0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the ceremony. But obviously we find out

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 1>more about this man, and he's like, well, I like

0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.799
<v Speaker 1>to think it's more meaningful than like just sex. You know.

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 4>I liked her, she liked me. We connected.

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.080
<v Speaker 1>And then they're like, he goes, maybe she had a

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.400
<v Speaker 1>change of hard or feels guilty, but I swear it

0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>was consensual, and she said yes. They asked him about me,

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>like did you put anything in her water? He's like

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the drugging allegation is ridiculous, and Cresey's like, well, you

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 1>do drug people for a living, and he's like, I

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.560
<v Speaker 1>swear to put anything in her water. He shows them

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the meditation room and talks about their passionate moment of

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 1>spiritual connectivity. The apartment is truly huge, I mean the

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>most massive windows in just like a meditation room. Declann

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 1>tell I would love to be a location scout for

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 1>s for you. How fun? Okay, So Declan tells them,

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 1>of course, I'll give my DNA. But he's like, oh man,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the names of the people at the retreat. My people

0:46:54.080 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>are private like that, people expect privacy. It's like you're

0:46:56.920 --> 0:46:58.839
<v Speaker 1>not a therapist. And then Cresey's like, we will get

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a warrant. So now they obviously do get a warrant

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>because now they're at this woman, Christina's apartment, and she

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.160
<v Speaker 1>is raving about the retreat. She's talking to Finn and

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I'm a different woman. I see the world

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.719
<v Speaker 1>differently now. Declan filled a void and she also has

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 1>an insanely huge apartment and Finn is like, dog, this

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>apartment is amazing, and she's like, oh, thank you. And

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 1>then they just move on and she says Declan was

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with Abby before they took the ayahuasca. He was

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 1>asking her all these questions and then like what about

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>after the ayahuasca? And the woman's like, I really can't

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:31.359
<v Speaker 1>speak to that. I was fucked up.

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.479
<v Speaker 4>Then she starts telling Finn about her trip.

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I was walking on water and.

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:36.520
<v Speaker 4>There was the back.

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 2>This is what I was thinking about where it's like

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you are unchanged. I love the zoom out. This is

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>like I wonder what the director. The director is a

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:43.719
<v Speaker 2>sense of.

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Humor, yeah, yeah, Like they're definitely laughing about wellness in

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 1>this episode, and like because she's like, then I realized

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I was the owl, and Finn goes, okay, I'm happy

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>for you.

0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 4>It's so funny.

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like the funniest like phin like because it's almost

0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 1>like Finn getting bit in the ass for what he

0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:05.400
<v Speaker 1>was trying to say earlier, because he was kind of like,

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know some of this stuff.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 4>Is like good for people.

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And then he has to listen to somebody's fucking dream

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and he and somebody's trip story and he's like, fuck, man,

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess everybody should get a grip this got.

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 2>This director does not have a comedy bone in his body.

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean it, oh first first directorial debut, sixth episode

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 2>of Homicide, Life on the Street.

0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 4>It's like truly ohs.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Fifty five episodes of SVU, CSIA Unit, Kidnapped, Life on Mars,

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and Treatment Trauma Shook.

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh my God in Treatment Made Me Depress, Damages, three

0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 1>episodes Boss Elementary, but like.

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:42.880
<v Speaker 4>Truly the most serious stuff.

0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Nashville seems like the lightest on this guy's uh well,

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's like that kind of guy's trying to get

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a little humor into what he works on. If he's

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>funny in real life, who knows, you know.

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh, he did funny.

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Seize, but there was no jokes there. Wrath tangled popular,

0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh he did hooked.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 4>He did hooked. The director of this it Hooks, which we.

0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:03.439
<v Speaker 1>Just said last week, which is so crazy because they're

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.920
<v Speaker 1>thirteen episodes apart from each other, or seasons apart from

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>each other.

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 2>He's been directing a fifty five episodes from nineteen ninety

0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 2>nine to twenty twenty four. Wow, he is a director's name,

0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Jean Dison Zach.

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, I recognize his name, Jean Desk or whatever. Yeah,

0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Like he's like he's like.

0:49:21.440 --> 0:49:22.879
<v Speaker 4>Always in the sega sack.

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeaheah. I recognize his name because it's like it's not

0:49:25.480 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>like it's not like Bill Stanley. It's like his name

0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, he has like a name I

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:31.839
<v Speaker 1>recognized from the credits. Oh, let's one day we can

0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 1>get Jean on the podcast.

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 4>So anyway comes on.

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.680
<v Speaker 1>He goes, it's actually Gene, It's actually Jean Desasniak.

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So now we're talking to the guy from the elevator,

0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the guy who Abby saw when she rode the elevator

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:45.960
<v Speaker 1>up that she kind of had a little moment with

0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and the.

0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 4>Elevator guy's like cleaning up. He's at a coffee shop

0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:48.959
<v Speaker 4>where he works.

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>He's cleaning up a table and he tells Careesy, Yeah,

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>like Abby didn't drink the tea, and he's like, I

0:49:52.680 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>fucking wish I didn't either. I spent half the night puking,

0:49:55.840 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's like yeah, like and like that shaman spends

0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:01.400
<v Speaker 1>most of his soul men time on the good looking ladies,

0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:04.760
<v Speaker 1>especially Abby, So this guy is a hater. He wishes

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 1>he did not spend five k on this fucking retreat.

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.120
<v Speaker 1>And again, a lot of money to save up if

0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you're working at a coffee shop to go puke for

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.400
<v Speaker 1>a while and not have a good experience. So this

0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.320
<v Speaker 1>guy goes, yeah, Declan told me he was bummed Abby

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:18.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't drink the tea and he wanted her to get

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.919
<v Speaker 1>her money's worth. Then he saw Declan get her water,

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>but he didn't see him put anything in it. But

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I was also puking, so I might not

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:27.680
<v Speaker 1>have seen that. And then he's like, I'm not like,

0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not psyched on that guy. He's a con artist.

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 1>So all right, we're getting two different Christina, the woman

0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 1>from before Obsessed Coffee shop boy not obsessed. Corisie and

0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Rollins are at a place now called body Food by Valerie,

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and Rollins just wants to tell. She's like, I just

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>want to tell all these vegetarian eating fucks how good

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 1>my burger was last night. And Chrisey's like, I actually

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:51.440
<v Speaker 1>ate here last week and the raw portobello fries weren't

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 1>so bad. I mean, you know, I hate mushrooms, but

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that sounds disgusting even if you like mushrooms, Like a

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 1>raw portobello fry, what makes it a fry that it's

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 1>shaped in a long tube, Like, that's not fry. It's

0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>not fried anyway. Rollins is like, oh, since wonder you

0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 1>a raw food guy? And he goes, I'm trying new things.

0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And Rollins goes, you ever gonna bring her around? Ooh,

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.399
<v Speaker 1>a little careesy love life intrigue. He doesn't comment. Then

0:51:15.480 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Valerie herself walks up Valerie of body Food by Valerie,

0:51:19.440 --> 0:51:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and they ask her about the retreat and she's like, yeah,

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I saw Abby sitting alone in the meditation room crying,

0:51:24.600 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, did you ask her if she was okay?

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And She's like, oh, no, I just assumed it was

0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like cathartic tears, you know, ayahuasca provides this sort of beautiful,

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 1>joyous pain.

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:33.759
<v Speaker 4>And then she goes.

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:35.800
<v Speaker 1>But then I did see Abby twenty minutes later leaving,

0:51:35.840 --> 0:51:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and she seemed upset and angry, and Rollins goes, I

0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:42.680
<v Speaker 1>guess her pain wasn't so joyous. Huh. So they're getting

0:51:42.680 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 1>some digs in back at the precinct. They're giving vents

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 1>in the info. They're like, yeah, Trusk definitely had his

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>eye on Abby. Finn walks in semen is a match

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to Trask, But that's like not shocking because he admitted

0:51:53.160 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>that they had sex. But the shock is no drugs

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:59.560
<v Speaker 1>found in her system. Talkscreen clean, no ayahuasca, no alcohol,

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 1>and Benson's like, so Abby's story doesn't add up, and

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, but there's plenty of drugs that they

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 1>don't test for. We've talked about that on various SPUs,

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Like we just did the one about the Bartender, the

0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Solving for the Unknowns that's like two or three seasons

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.359
<v Speaker 1>after this one, but still, like even on the other

0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 1>episode that they did with Kelly Hugh, like there's copollam me,

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>and there's like stuff they don't test for. So it's

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 1>weird that they're like Abby's story, like, we're doubting Abby

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>now because even like.

0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 2>The date rape drug if like that, I don't Yeah,

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 2>says in your system either.

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 4>Yes, well they talk about that later. Yeah.

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But so they've got Wooby Wooby. Oh my god,

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>they've got Abby in wood room lines. I just said Wooby.

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.919
<v Speaker 1>That was being wood. I was saying wood room lines

0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and Abby at the same time. So they've got Wooby

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.560
<v Speaker 1>in the wood room lines. And she's confused how the

0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 1>talk screen came back negative. She was like, no, there's

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>no way I was disoriented. I was frozen. Benson explains, Oh,

0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it's possible that you had tonic immobility, which I think

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 1>is a great, great thing that they talk about in

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the show because I think a lot of women when

0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>they are attacked or in any way, like even if

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.719
<v Speaker 1>someone steals your purse or like you're assaulted in any way,

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you like, this is basically your brain telling your body

0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to freeze, to shut down. It's like fight or flight.

0:53:14.520 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>This is the this is the like flight or just

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 1>frozen part of it, or it's it's fight, flight or freeze.

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that really the three things? So I think tonic

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 1>immobility is the freeze. And Abby's like, yeah, I hear

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:29.520
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying about tonic immobility, but I felt this

0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 1>way before the assault actually happened, like I started to

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:36.720
<v Speaker 1>feel this weird paralysis. So she goes over her story again.

0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 1>He came in, gave her the water, told her to relax,

0:53:39.680 --> 0:53:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and that he was going to take her to the

0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:44.319
<v Speaker 1>sixth plane of enlightenment. And he said, when you look

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 1>at me, you might find yourself enveloped by a warm feeling.

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:49.280
<v Speaker 1>And then she felt this weird out of body experience.

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:53.279
<v Speaker 1>He kept whispering, you look like a beautiful rag doll. Ugh,

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, that's how I felt, though, she said,

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:57.239
<v Speaker 1>I had no control over my own body.

0:53:57.280 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 4>I've never had that feeling before.

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.640
<v Speaker 1>So now we're talking to Barba and they bring up

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.480
<v Speaker 1>rufe's and like they're like, well, Rufe's can leave your

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.080
<v Speaker 1>system in hours, like one tinkle and it's out of there.

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>But they're like, yeah, but rhypnal doesn't really match because

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:15.040
<v Speaker 1>she remembers everything like she remembers it happening, you know,

0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.319
<v Speaker 1>like that's more of the scopalamine. It feels like, well

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.160
<v Speaker 1>because like Rufie's is like you wake up and you're like,

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.759
<v Speaker 1>what I've lost time, you know, But that's not what

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 1>happened here. Barba wonders, Oh, do we think Abby has

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.280
<v Speaker 1>another agenda? Like Trass comes from a ton of money,

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, I don't know, dog. She's a successful publicist,

0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend's a partner in a law firm. She has

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:33.799
<v Speaker 1>a nice outerwear, like I don't think she's like, you know,

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 1>out here for a payday, and Careese's like, well, I

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 1>found another possible victim from a civil case in New Jersey,

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 1>a woman named Rachel Sykes who accused Trask in twenty fourteen,

0:54:44.120 --> 0:54:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and then Cariesi and Rollins go to the lawyer to

0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.879
<v Speaker 1>see what's up, and the lawyer's like, okay, yeah, like

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Trask is a piece of shit. She's like, Rachel had

0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.719
<v Speaker 1>a solid case. She took a rape kit and she

0:54:53.800 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 1>swore she was drugged. But there was a negative talk screen,

0:54:56.239 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>like all the same calling cards as Abby's case.

0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:00.360
<v Speaker 4>She got hired.

0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Basically, they dropped the case because Rachel got tired of

0:55:02.719 --> 0:55:05.680
<v Speaker 1>fighting him. She spiraled, She got depressed, she moved back

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.640
<v Speaker 1>to Ohio, and then she died three months later of

0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 1>pancreatic cancer. Tragic and horrible. That's like really the worst

0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:15.160
<v Speaker 1>thing ever. But the good news is they have Rachel's

0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:18.520
<v Speaker 1>whole statement on video and it's basically they start watching it,

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.520
<v Speaker 1>it's the same exact story as Abby's. She also kind

0:55:20.520 --> 0:55:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of looks like Abby, like a pretty blonde, and like

0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing about giving her the water, the sixth

0:55:24.960 --> 0:55:27.759
<v Speaker 1>plane of enlightenment, the beautiful rag doll, her feeling limp,

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.319
<v Speaker 1>and then the rape, like all of this is the

0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 1>exact same. And Finn's like, maybe he slipped something undetectable

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.720
<v Speaker 1>into her water, and Barbara goes, I think he slipped

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:39.960
<v Speaker 1>something undetectable into his words neuro linguistic programming.

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 4>She was hypnotized. I didn't see this coming.

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Me neither, and everyone looked shocked. I mean, in my mind,

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, it can't be another drug. We

0:55:51.200 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 1>haven't found thing, because that's literally they've done so many

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:56.160
<v Speaker 1>episodes about that, but they honestly do an episode about

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it in three seasons, so they could have.

0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 4>But everyone looks shocked.

0:55:59.200 --> 0:56:01.360
<v Speaker 1>They're like, what, like, Barbara, you're not usually one to

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>think outside the box like this. Victims stories are the same.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Careese says, yeah, I don't know, guys, this seems like

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>really out there for me. Am I the only one

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.399
<v Speaker 1>that's like, you know, from Staten Island and doesn't believe

0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 1>in this kind of shit. And Finn's like, I don't know.

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.839
<v Speaker 1>My cousin quit smoking with hypnosis. So they're like, well,

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:20.360
<v Speaker 1>we really can't use Rachel's case because the suit was dismissed.

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 1>We have to prove that he knowingly used hypnosis, so

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>let's start digging on where he may have learned this hypnosis.

0:56:26.520 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 1>So now Rollins and CAORESI are at Regent's College in

0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:31.759
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey and they're asking this professor about Declan and

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the professor's like, oh, I remember Declan because his dad

0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:37.399
<v Speaker 1>gave a lot of money. And they go, well, we're

0:56:37.400 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>going to need his transcripts. Why are you talking to

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>professor about his transcripts? They don't have that anyway, Declan.

0:56:41.600 --> 0:56:43.000
<v Speaker 1>The guy goes, well, they're going to be pretty short

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 1>because he was kicked out his junior year, and the

0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.799
<v Speaker 1>professor's like, I can't really talk about why, and they're like, sir,

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:49.439
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get a warrant, save us the time,

0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 1>help us nab a rapist. Come on, like, do us

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:55.319
<v Speaker 1>a solid, and they're like the guy's like, yeah, he

0:56:55.360 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 1>had a serious drug problem. Like we tried to help

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.120
<v Speaker 1>him as much as we could, but we couldn't. He

0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>went to an addiction facility in the Hampton's called the Springs.

0:57:03.080 --> 0:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the Springs. We're walking and talking

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>with a counselor and he said, oh, yeah, I just

0:57:08.520 --> 0:57:09.839
<v Speaker 1>talked to Declan two weeks ago.

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.520
<v Speaker 4>Like we're very close, We're very tight.

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Guess how they helped Declan kick his heroin habit everybody hypnosis.

0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 1>They're like, we saw him for sixty days and at

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the end, if he even thought about heroin, he would

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 1>physically gag. We think, I don't understand if hypnosis is

0:57:25.720 --> 0:57:28.640
<v Speaker 1>so good, why we're not using it for so much shit?

0:57:29.280 --> 0:57:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I think it's expensive or yeah, last the whole time.

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 2>He can't just be hypnotized forever?

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, does it? That's what I was gonna say. I

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:37.439
<v Speaker 4>wonder if it like when I left.

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.280
<v Speaker 2>The Office Space, I wish I could have an office

0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Space experience. I think I live like the guy from

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Office Space post hypnosis.

0:57:47.280 --> 0:57:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Wait, who got hypnotized in office space? Remind me what

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:53.200
<v Speaker 1>happens in that man guy, the main guy, Ron Livingston.

0:57:53.760 --> 0:57:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's this whole thing.

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 1>That's why he becomes like a different kind of guy

0:57:57.080 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and doesn't care about work. He gets hypno trys to

0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 1>stop giving a fuck and like to be a little

0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 1>bit more.

0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:03.160
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I forgot that.

0:58:03.320 --> 0:58:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:58:03.520 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 2>No, the hypnotist has like a heart attack and dies

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 2>mid hypnosis, so he never wakes up from the hip.

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.560
<v Speaker 4>That's why he's like living this life.

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 2>And then because then the ex girlfriend is pissitive.

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:19.919
<v Speaker 1>She's like, you just sat there as he was dying. Yeah,

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 1>because he's in a trance, right. Okay, Wow, I like

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>love that movie and I've seen it dozens of times

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.479
<v Speaker 1>and that's really wild. I just don't remember that part really,

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>but now I'm remembering it now that you bring it up.

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 4>On my Delta movies. Yeah, Delta movies.

0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Wait, I once watched a magician like hypnotize a bunch

0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of people on stage, and like, I actually asked a

0:58:39.080 --> 0:58:42.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of my magic coworkers when I was working at

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Magic for Humans, you have to also be susceptible to hypnotism,

0:58:47.480 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 1>like some people not everyone is and not everyone is.

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Like they would figure out ways, like they were ways

0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.160
<v Speaker 1>that they would do hypnotism. They told me for like

0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 1>TV shows where they would bring people into rooms and

0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 1>they were just kind of be prompts and like different

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 1>ways that you could figure out who was susceptible and

0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.240
<v Speaker 1>who wasn't, and they would they would excuse the people

0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that weren't susceptible, and that's how they like they would

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:08.200
<v Speaker 1>find people.

0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:09.680
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to give away.

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>All the trints. I want to know. I want to know.

0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:13.960
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to give away all the tricks.

0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 1>But that's like you know, and then you can do

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>hypnosis because like a lot of mentalist stuff apparently is hypnosis,

0:59:18.800 --> 0:59:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and like I do believe some of this, Like I watched,

0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>We watched so much hypnosis and magic stuff when I

0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 1>was in the room for this show. Like one time

0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy was paying a vendor at on the street

0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 1>for food with white pieces of paper and the guy

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 1>was counting it out like it was money because he'd

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:35.520
<v Speaker 1>like hypnotized him.

0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:37.640
<v Speaker 4>No, I that had happened.

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw my friend give money that wasn't what he

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:42.240
<v Speaker 2>was at Like in front of my eye was like

0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:45.000
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck just happened? And then it had happened

0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:47.120
<v Speaker 2>to my other friend that were at her work in

0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:49.480
<v Speaker 2>the same area, like someone was hitting all the spots.

0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 2>And then I followed the guy and he did lose me.

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 2>He's he was like a master little trickster.

0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:58.320
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Like I watched I watched like at a magic show,

0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:00.720
<v Speaker 1>like from a magician, like who's pretty good but not

1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like a major mentalist. And he had this woman and

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>he was like, Okay, look out there, everybody in the

1:00:05.400 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 1>audience is naked. And I watch this woman, who like

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.720
<v Speaker 1>does not have a sense of humor get mortified because

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:12.640
<v Speaker 1>she thought every single person in the room was naked,

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and he had her beeping like the road runner like

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:15.480
<v Speaker 1>he like.

1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:16.120
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:18.880
<v Speaker 1>It just feels like if it helps so many people,

1:00:18.920 --> 1:00:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I wish we could. I wish that like it would

1:00:20.840 --> 1:00:22.360
<v Speaker 1>work like more. I guess.

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:24.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess it was more full personally doesn't share.

1:00:24.640 --> 1:00:27.320
<v Speaker 2>The dangers a lot, because you know the other ones

1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:29.840
<v Speaker 2>where it's like they hypnotize someone to have experience and

1:00:29.840 --> 1:00:31.040
<v Speaker 2>then it's not a real experience.

1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I I like it for getting

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.040
<v Speaker 1>rid of addiction, I don't like it for recovered memory,

1:00:36.640 --> 1:00:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, because I feel like that's dicey anyway.

1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:40.640
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, so.

1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Basically this guy every time he thought about heroin, if

1:00:43.200 --> 1:00:44.920
<v Speaker 1>he even thought about it, he would gag. So the

1:00:45.200 --> 1:00:48.600
<v Speaker 1>hypnotism works perfect on Decklan Trask, and they're like, well

1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:50.400
<v Speaker 1>to the guy, They're like, we think he might be

1:00:50.520 --> 1:00:53.760
<v Speaker 1>using these techniques to sexually assault women. And like this

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<v Speaker 1>guy who just said yeah, me and Decklin are really close,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're buddies, turns on him like a dime.

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<v Speaker 4>He goes, yeah, I mean we're close, but I know

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<v Speaker 4>who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I like the guy I hang out with him,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that he has rape in his heart,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know he could actually assault people, no problem,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just it's it's not surprising. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of men probably feel that way about their friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was like, I wasn't really crazy about this

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<v Speaker 1>whole ayahuasca thing that he was doing. I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he's he's just like another dealer pedaling drugs. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he admits that he helped teach Trask to hypnotize,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's like, he told me.

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<v Speaker 4>He wanted to use it to help other people. He

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to pay it forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So I taught him everything I know and he says

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<v Speaker 1>that he will help the cops bring Declan down. So

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<v Speaker 1>now cut to Declan and the therapist guy meeting at like

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell what it is, a bar, coffee shop,

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere public, and he's like, oh man, I need your help.

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<v Speaker 1>The therapist he's like, recently, I was working with this

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<v Speaker 1>like client, this woman. She was like an addict, and

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation she was under like my hypnosis, and the

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<v Speaker 1>combo got sexual. I couldn't stop myself. I kissed her.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, then I stopped myself, but I didn't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's setting up this whole like uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>staying or whatever. Declan's like, well, hypnosis doesn't make anyone

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<v Speaker 1>do something that they didn't already want to do. So

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<v Speaker 1>if she kissed you, it's because she wanted to, like

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<v Speaker 1>in her subconscious and it's like that's so that's just.

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<v Speaker 4>The rape language is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Finn and Rollins are like watching all this go down

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<v Speaker 1>in the van, you know, and the guy's like, hypnosis

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes lead to sex. It happens, that's what Trask is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>And the therapist is like, you've done that, and Declan's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's no big deal. I'm helping a woman get what

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<v Speaker 1>she really wants. And then you could like, Trask isn't stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>The therapist goes, when was the last time you did this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would you be asking for those specific details?

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<v Speaker 4>And then Declan's yeah, he fucked up. He kind of

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<v Speaker 4>makes questions. Yeah, he goes, ah, good to see you, buddy,

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<v Speaker 4>I got her run.

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<v Speaker 1>So he gets up but uh oh, like yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he figured out the sting. Before you can walk out

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<v Speaker 1>of the place, Rollins and Finn are on his ass.

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<v Speaker 1>They arrest him and Rollins goes, look deep into my eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's still making fun of the whole premise of

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<v Speaker 1>the hypnosis. In cement room, Declan is like, you guys

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<v Speaker 1>got me all wrong. I'm a healer that there's intimacy

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<v Speaker 1>involved that sometimes leads to consensual sex. So they bring

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<v Speaker 1>up Rachel Sykes and Declan's like, I should probably get

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<v Speaker 1>a lawyer, and Finn's like, well, if this will go

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<v Speaker 1>to trial, if you lawyer up, and then he goes,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think a jury is gonna believe that I

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<v Speaker 1>Declan Trask hypnotized Abby so I could have sex with her,

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<v Speaker 1>and Live is like, A, that wasn't sex, it was rape,

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<v Speaker 1>and b yes, I do think a jury will believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Live tells Finn, could you escort our spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>friend to wrikers please? So now we're in court and

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara is, oh, my god, I did it. I just said, Barbara,

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<v Speaker 1>so out in the open, so brazen. Barbara is addressing

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<v Speaker 1>the jury and he's doing his opening statement right, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you know, he sounds good. He's killing him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's getting all the points in. And then uh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Declan has Rita Calhoun fuck. But Barbara's opening statement is

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<v Speaker 1>slick and it's about this is a healer who's really

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<v Speaker 1>a predator. And now it's Rita's turn. She calls Barbara's

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<v Speaker 1>claims ridiculous. Deck Clan hask is hot and single and

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<v Speaker 1>that the two of them had sex that night. She's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Blake, basically playing on the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like why would this hot, single, rich guy need to

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<v Speaker 1>do this like a little bit in her opening statement.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we cut to the boyfriend, Abby's boyfriend who

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<v Speaker 1>we met at the very beginning, and he's he's in

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<v Speaker 1>court and he does not look comfortable, he looks uncomfy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Rita calls the hypnosis claim completely absurd. So

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<v Speaker 1>now Abby is on the stand. She's testifying she was

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<v Speaker 1>happy when she went to the meditation room. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was good. I didn't want to take the drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I went there just to think and to meditate. She explains,

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<v Speaker 1>like everything we've heard so far, how he brought her

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<v Speaker 1>the water. He kept saying, you might find yourself at peace,

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<v Speaker 1>You may find yourself soothed by my voice. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine how good you'll feel while you listened to me?

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<v Speaker 1>She said she became disoriented and felt like she was

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<v Speaker 1>in a dream and she couldn't control her body. Then

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<v Speaker 1>she describes the rape and how terrified she was, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the end of her time with Barba and uh oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it is now Rita's turn. She asks Abby, well, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you go to this rot treat with the intention to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep with someone else? And Abby's like, that's not true,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Rita enters into evidence Abby's application to the

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<v Speaker 1>retreat to me and wants her to read from the

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<v Speaker 1>top of the page.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, not remembering this part of the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what the fuck could she possibly have written

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<v Speaker 1>that would be so bad because she doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>read it.

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<v Speaker 4>She's freaking out. Barba's like, can we get a moment?

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<v Speaker 1>And Rita's like, she can't have a moment during my

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<v Speaker 1>cross and Barba's like please and begs the judge. And

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<v Speaker 1>the judge is Amy Brebson, who is Andre Brower's widow

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<v Speaker 1>and a wonderful judge that we've seen many, many times.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, fine, you can take fifteen minutes, but Barbara,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're not allowed to talk to her during

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and like, I didn't realize that, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we've got to send live to do the dirty work.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Abby is in the hallway outside the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Her boyfriend tries to talk to her, and Rollins says like,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't you come with me. Let's go, let me

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<v Speaker 1>go flirt with you by a ending machine. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Benson talks to Abby, who is upset, like Rita is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to humiliate me, Like what the fuck? Benson's like,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is, Benson's not even trying to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what she knows what's on the paper. She's like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>prepped for this. We went all over this, like did

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<v Speaker 1>you give Steven a heads up? And this is making

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<v Speaker 1>me as a viewer like heads up about what? What

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<v Speaker 1>the fuck? She goes, I tried three times to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him, but I just couldn't. I can't read that

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<v Speaker 1>letter in open court. It will destroy him and it

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<v Speaker 1>will destroy our relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want this to be over and I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote in my notes, OMG, what is it? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know what this is? And Benson goes,

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<v Speaker 1>I get that this is painful, but if you decide

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<v Speaker 1>not to testify, Declan's gonna walk like you know, let

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<v Speaker 1>me just like lay it down for your baby girl,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you want to walk away, totally okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>a rapist walks and like this dog will do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Benson also tells her they are trying to shame her

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<v Speaker 1>into giving up, but you didn't do anything wrong, so

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully this resonates with Abby. It does, She's back on

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<v Speaker 1>the stand. In the next scene, she reads this whole

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<v Speaker 1>letter out loud, and it's all about growing up in

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<v Speaker 1>Iowa wanting the perfect life. She has almost everything she's

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<v Speaker 1>ever wanted, but the only thing holding back is done

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<v Speaker 1>done her relationship with Steven. She wants to progress, he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to stay put. They've turned into roommates, not lovers.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is humiliating. He looks pretty upset. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand why in the fifteen minute breaks she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have talked to Steven and given him heads up. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is so much worse that she's doing it

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<v Speaker 1>in public and not didn't just give him heads up.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes on, I'm not sure we connect.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also don't think it mattered, Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it means that she would want to cheat on him.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're like writing in your diary you want to,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean you're gonna do it, and you went there

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<v Speaker 2>to fuck someone just like.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course I hate the way she's playing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, and that's why it's like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why you wouldn't just go to your boyfriend and go

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<v Speaker 1>we'd been fighting. I felt weird, like I you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to. I wrote down a bunch of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel this way anymore, but just fy, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna read it in court. Maybe you want to stay

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<v Speaker 1>home that day, babe or something, or just so you

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<v Speaker 1>know you're gonna get like cocked in front of all

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<v Speaker 1>these fucking people, but not really, you know, like emotionally,

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Believe I even use that as a verb. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, she goes on, and she goes I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>sure we connect anymore intellectually, spiritually or sexually. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>these are major doubts she's having, Like this, this is major.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't just like, hey, we haven't fucked in a while,

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<v Speaker 1>or like, I don't know. Intellectually do you think he's

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<v Speaker 1>like dumber than you, or like I don't know, or

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<v Speaker 1>you're like it's wild. So like again, I just wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>why the fuck would you not have had your Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you have your boyfriend come to court and not

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<v Speaker 1>tell him? She tells Rita that she wrote all of

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<v Speaker 1>this when she was confused they'd been fighting. She loves

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend and she would never cheat on him, because

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, none of this is admission of cheating. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, nobody goes to an ayahuasca ceremony to have sex.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going there for like spiritual enlightenment and to change

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<v Speaker 1>the way you.

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<v Speaker 4>But why didn't she want to do the drug?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I don't understand the people that are like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>never mind, Like I don't get that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't either. I don't either.

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<v Speaker 2>There were definitely like my drug journey, where there were

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<v Speaker 2>people that were on certain medications so they couldn't do

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<v Speaker 2>the drug we were doing, but then they still did

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<v Speaker 2>a different drug.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's like you

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<v Speaker 4>came there for that. You've obviously on your research.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not like a person that just got like brought

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<v Speaker 1>in for like, you know, a random Aahuascar party, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know why she chickened out. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>So Rita goes, well, it looks like you were in

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<v Speaker 1>a rut and looking to explore and you had sex

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<v Speaker 1>with another man. Objection sustained, Rita. That was cheeky of you.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can't you can't keep calling it that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't keep doing that. And Stephen, he can't take

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. He walks out of the courtroom and Abby's like, no, Stephen, please,

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<v Speaker 1>and like from the stand, you know, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of drama for the jury to take in. It would

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<v Speaker 1>have been hard enough to hear all those words just

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of her mouth, but let alone in front

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<v Speaker 1>of this court room of people, Like I'm sure he's mortified.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge adjourns them for the night, but Rita wants

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<v Speaker 1>to meet in chambers. Some new evidence has come to light.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the most fucking crazy things I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen them try to shoehorn into an sview in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>In chambers, Rita is introducing an audio recording of quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote the encounter. Apparently Trask often tapes his encounters with

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<v Speaker 1>people at the retreats to protect himself against these kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fraudulent accusations.

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<v Speaker 4>What in the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Like you could have introduced this months ago, it might

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<v Speaker 1>not have even gone to trial. Like if Barbara had thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is too damning, he wouldn't have taken it to trial,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like this is a crazy

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<v Speaker 1>thing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw out in the mid trial. It makes anything it's

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<v Speaker 2>not real. Or maybe he's like so arrogant he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think you'd need it like I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonder you're right, yeah, like that he just wouldn't show

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<v Speaker 1>that to them. Oh, by the way, I have recording

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<v Speaker 1>devices around my entire area.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the prosecution is to give up all evidence, does

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<v Speaker 2>the defense doesn't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense has to, but she's claiming she just got it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's claiming it's from the guy. Yeah, yeah, Like there

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<v Speaker 1>is discovery.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the defense has to give everything to the

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution that they have as well, like in discovery, but

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, and Barbara's just as pissed as we are.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you're just now introducing this, like what now

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<v Speaker 1>a warning? And the judge wants the judge wants to

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<v Speaker 1>hear okay, and the tape is is him going, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to take you to the sixth plane, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come with me there? And she's like I will,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he goes and you want me to have

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<v Speaker 1>sex with you? And she goes yes, But like, this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound like a woman who's like enthusiastically consenting to sex.

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<v Speaker 4>Like she sounds like a robot, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just like like monotone, monosyllabic answers pretty much like

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<v Speaker 1>and Barba's like, well, she's hypnotized. This means nothing, but

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<v Speaker 1>Rita's like the jury might feel differently. And then in

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<v Speaker 1>the next scene, Rita and Barba are walking and talking.

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, hey, baby. Just because the judge is.

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<v Speaker 1>Letting me, like, letting me play the recording doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'm adverse to a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>So she knows that this guy did.

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<v Speaker 1>Something fucked up, because this is pretty smoking gun. This

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<v Speaker 1>like a jury hearing a consent on tape. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>really get that in a lot of rape cases, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like and so it's wild that Rita still thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>this hypnosis argument has legs because now she's offering a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>They haggle back and forth. Barba's like, I want him

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<v Speaker 1>on the She's tried to get a misdemeanor. He's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a felony, and I want him on the registry.

1:12:05.880 --> 1:12:08.880
<v Speaker 1>She's like assault to no registry. They're going back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's talking to Live Lives. Pissed, She's like, no registry.

1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Fuck that, I want this fucker on the registry. And

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<v Speaker 1>Abby wants to let the jury decide, and Barba's like, well,

1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not really Abby's choice, Like I'm worried we're gonna lose,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I don't love that they're going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>a tape of the victims saying yes. And Benson's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's like lean into it. Let's prove that Tras hypnotized her.

1:12:27.680 --> 1:12:30.200
<v Speaker 1>So now Abby is back on the stand. This girl's

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<v Speaker 1>had the longest testimony of all time. Rita's badgering her

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<v Speaker 1>into saying that, yes, it is her voice on the tape,

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<v Speaker 1>but she doesn't remember saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>But she does admit it is her voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is weird because it's like, it does feel like

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<v Speaker 1>she remembers everything he said she but she doesn't remember

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<v Speaker 1>saying yes. But she remembers everything he said, everything he did,

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<v Speaker 1>and how she felt, but she doesn't remember saying yes.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is an interesting thing for a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe her, obviously, I think this happened, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird way that this hypnosis works. Now we're at

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<v Speaker 1>a bar Live maybe we're at Forlini's, and Live and

1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:08.120
<v Speaker 1>Barbara are having a drink and Barba is feeling dejected.

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<v Speaker 1>He is like, this is not good. Careese walks in

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes, I got something good. It's from eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>years ago in Philly, and it's got nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with rape, but it goes to Trask's accountability.

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<v Speaker 4>This is another wild turn of this episode that I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what Barba asks is the arresting officer in and

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<v Speaker 1>Crisey's like he's down. And then they're like, well, if

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<v Speaker 1>Deckling takes the stand, I will get this admitted. That's

1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.880
<v Speaker 1>what Barba says. Benson goes, oh, this guy he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take the stand. He thinks he can hypnotize the jury. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so now we're back at trial. Finally, Declan the spiritual

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<v Speaker 1>rapist is on the stand and he denies hypnotizing her.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, nope, didn't do any of that. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>Rita asking him some softballs and he's like nope, nope, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do any of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Now it's Barba's turn.

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<v Speaker 1>He asks about the money, like the money that you make,

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<v Speaker 1>like like where where does all of it? Doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>all back into your ayahuasca, Like some of it goes

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<v Speaker 1>into your foundation, right, which i's clean drinking water to

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<v Speaker 1>impoverish countries.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's like yeah.

1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:07.360
<v Speaker 1>And then Barbara goes, so you save lives and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, and I'm so proud of myself. Like he's

1:14:09.479 --> 1:14:12.040
<v Speaker 1>just like so gross, Like he's very proud of himself

1:14:12.080 --> 1:14:14.719
<v Speaker 1>for saving lives. They're like, have you ever been arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for a crime, and he says no, and now he goes, uh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done with this witness. But Barbara immediately goes, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to call a rebuttal witness Lieutenant Hill, and Rita's pissed.

1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:27.200
<v Speaker 4>She's like, what the fuck's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>They approached the bench and Barbara goes, Lieutenant Hill arrested

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<v Speaker 1>Decland twenty two years ago. Okay, Careesi said, eighteen, But

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<v Speaker 1>let's go with it. I should be a fucking script supervisor.

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<v Speaker 1>I find all these holes anyway, he tells Rita and

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<v Speaker 1>the judge. This proves that he is a guy with

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<v Speaker 1>no regard for anyone but himself.

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow this is let in. I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>So now Lieutenant Hill is on the stand and he

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<v Speaker 1>reveals that he responded to a car accident back in

1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:57.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety five when Declan Trask hit a street light.

1:14:57.720 --> 1:15:00.800
<v Speaker 1>He had drugs in the car, and the officer quickly

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<v Speaker 1>learned that Declan had been shooting heroin with a friend

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<v Speaker 1>because that friend was upstairs in the house having odd

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<v Speaker 1>and he died in Lieutenant Hill's arms.

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<v Speaker 4>He was nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like, so this defendant ran away while his

1:15:13.680 --> 1:15:17.840
<v Speaker 1>friend was dying. And the officer's like, yes, I don't know,

1:15:18.000 --> 1:15:20.799
<v Speaker 1>barba bringing up this old ass crime when the defendant

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't never got at the time, it would never be allowed. Literally,

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<v Speaker 1>Rita calls out that it was expunged from the record,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, I don't even understand. I guess because it's expunged,

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't bring it up outright. But because he lied

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<v Speaker 1>on the stand and said he'd never been arrested, that

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<v Speaker 1>opens the door to prove that, yes, he was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and prove that he is a liar.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the course of how this, in the history of.

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<v Speaker 1>This show, they've not been allowed to bring up people's

1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:50.680
<v Speaker 1>past crimes, even when it's like even when it's like

1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:54.040
<v Speaker 1>crimes that are related to the current crime, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>bring them up sometimes, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's just no way that you're like, oh, he failed

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<v Speaker 1>the Good Samaritan Act, which was like, I mean, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a legal act that says you have to sit

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<v Speaker 1>with your friend when he od's like you're on heroin?

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<v Speaker 1>He ran.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure people do that every fucking day.

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<v Speaker 1>But saying it's a good thing, but your paint, You're like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if a jury, If I was on

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<v Speaker 1>a jury, I'd be like, okay, it was twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago and he was on heroin.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't know. I just that doesn't illustrate to me.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, what illustrates the bad is not only that

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<v Speaker 2>he lied on the stand and now we can get

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<v Speaker 2>him for perjury.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, but he could say that was expunged.

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't know if I thought I could say that,

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't be a question. Oh yeah, sure, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It just this feels such a sad I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Feels like they had to do rewrites and they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got the whole cast here, we got to shoot.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just go, you know, like it was like who

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<v Speaker 4>told us? Who told us?

1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Like that they was it dian Neel that told us that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Watterson was like, don't open Pandora's box. You'll just

1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:54.559
<v Speaker 1>have so many questions, Like you know, like if you

1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:57.320
<v Speaker 1>start asking questions, but you know that's our job here

1:16:57.320 --> 1:16:58.960
<v Speaker 1>on this pod. So I opened the box and I

1:16:58.960 --> 1:17:03.559
<v Speaker 1>want to know what the fuck? So it's a fucking stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we've got Barba in his final statement, He's

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<v Speaker 1>like declan Trask used neuro linguistic techniques.

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<v Speaker 4>He admitted doing that to his friend.

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<v Speaker 1>And Barbara's basically like, what you heard on that tape

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<v Speaker 1>is essentially like hearing a victim on a date rape

1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:19.639
<v Speaker 1>drug giving consent on a tape, Like it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He likens the hypnotism to giving someone a date rape drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Abby was not capable of giving consent. So now the

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<v Speaker 1>verdict is back and they find him done doone guilty.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't even look mad.

1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:32.439
<v Speaker 1>They go to Trask's face and he's like, well they

1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:34.920
<v Speaker 1>got me, you know, like he it's very weird, like

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't have a misset.

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<v Speaker 4>As like, oh, we'll see you in the appeals right.

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote that as well, like I mean Abby, Abby

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<v Speaker 1>is emotional but happy to watch him get carted off.

1:17:46.040 --> 1:17:48.760
<v Speaker 1>And like you know, later in the hallway, Abby's there

1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and Barba and Live go up to her and they're like,

1:17:51.400 --> 1:17:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Trusk is going away for a long time, And I wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's rich.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll appeal a million times until he's free. Like if

1:17:56.800 --> 1:17:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you're rich, you just keep appealing until they figure out

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<v Speaker 1>something that your.

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<v Speaker 4>Lawyer did wrong or the judge did wrong.

1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:04.479
<v Speaker 1>Or something, and they get you off, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>can keep appealing, you will. She thanks them, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it also not to mention they don't even talk

1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:14.080
<v Speaker 1>about it, but like the precedent of it, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>anyone that does hypnosis now is going to be under scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>But she thanks them, and she's like, oh, Stephen won't

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<v Speaker 1>return my calls. I haven't heard from him in three days,

1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and lives like, girl, you were honest about everything. If

1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.320
<v Speaker 1>you want this loser who can't fuck back, then good,

1:18:28.400 --> 1:18:30.080
<v Speaker 1>why don't you go fight for him? But if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get it, it's not worth the fight. And Abby's like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thanks again, walks off, and Barble goes, who knows,

1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:38.479
<v Speaker 1>maybe it'll all work out, and Live goes, yeah, I hope. So.

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<v Speaker 1>I think honestly, it's kind of a good thing for

1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:42.400
<v Speaker 1>her to clean slate it. I think it's good that

1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he was with her to help her through the trial.

1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:47.120
<v Speaker 1>But she doesn't feel it doesn't feel like she wants

1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:49.240
<v Speaker 1>to be with this guy, and he doesn't understand. He's

1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:52.360
<v Speaker 1>he's having a temper tantrum and not hearing anything. She

1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:55.599
<v Speaker 1>said again that could be more about the public amiliation

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<v Speaker 1>of it all. But Stephen and Abby, you guys want

1:18:59.120 --> 1:19:01.599
<v Speaker 1>different things. He wants to maybe do ayahuasca. You want

1:19:01.640 --> 1:19:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to sit on the couch watching Netflix like you're just

1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>you guys. You're not on the same page. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>stick wolf baby, that's the end. It ends on living.

1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Barbara wishing the best for this this kind of dysfunctional couple.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that, and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that, all right, Okay, a couple cases, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of little freaks. Okay, Michael Fine Cleveland and this guy,

1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:36.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, married man of two with two daughters, wildly

1:19:36.280 --> 1:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>not the deterrent to crime like men would.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to believe. So funny true. And he was a

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<v Speaker 1>divorce attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>He practiced laws since nineteen eighty one, and that's according

1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:52.960
<v Speaker 2>to court records reported by Ruders. He didn't lose his

1:19:53.000 --> 1:19:56.920
<v Speaker 2>license till November twenty fourteen. So he either like started

1:19:56.920 --> 1:20:00.120
<v Speaker 2>being a freaky criminal later or he got away with

1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:03.519
<v Speaker 2>it for forever we will not know. So a long

1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:07.479
<v Speaker 2>time working, but finally Lorraine County Bar Association filed a

1:20:07.520 --> 1:20:11.200
<v Speaker 2>motion with the Ohio Supreme Court in twenty fourteen saying

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<v Speaker 2>that he utilized hypnotic therapy to facilitate the impairment of

1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:21.559
<v Speaker 2>and sexual exploitation of his clients. And that's clearly a

1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:26.479
<v Speaker 2>direct quote from Routers. The cops began its investigation in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, like so as a female client basically discovered

1:20:31.479 --> 1:20:34.920
<v Speaker 2>her art. She was disheveled, her clothes were disheveled after

1:20:36.000 --> 1:20:38.880
<v Speaker 2>meetings with him, her undergarments were moved around and she

1:20:38.880 --> 1:20:42.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't really recall anything that had occurred in the meetings.

1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:45.400
<v Speaker 2>So that kind of and this is according to the

1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Bar Association filing. And then the Sheffield Village Police Department

1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:55.040
<v Speaker 2>investigated him after two dozen women came forward with similar complaints.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>One woman wants to be known by only her first name, Melissa.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that he would say how he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>help her relax. Never called it hypnosis, but called it mindfulness.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they had the client so like the one that

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<v Speaker 2>was complaining about being disheveled and having memory loss, decided

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<v Speaker 2>to start taping the sessions on her phone and then

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<v Speaker 2>she handed over that to the authorities and then they

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<v Speaker 2>sent her back in with a wire and part as

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<v Speaker 2>part of a sting operation. Various I would say this

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<v Speaker 2>is more SVU than the episode of SVIE you just

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<v Speaker 2>even covered.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the recordings revealed that shortly after the meeting started,

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<v Speaker 2>he would use these code words that induced her into

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<v Speaker 2>a trance like stage. So doctor Dan Chue, a neuro psychiatrist,

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<v Speaker 2>tells ABC News, So the basic law of hypnosis is

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<v Speaker 2>that you cannot make people do what they do not

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<v Speaker 2>want to do. However, we can affect the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you want or what you desire, and so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he's just a random guy on the news.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know him.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was no consent by the women obviously to

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<v Speaker 2>go into this trance. And he would say, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a breathing exercise, and then according to ABC News, the

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<v Speaker 2>trance went a little like this, your entire body is

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<v Speaker 2>a vessel of pleasure and arousal and excitement. And the

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<v Speaker 2>better it feels, the tighter you'll grip my hand. And

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<v Speaker 2>then asks when was the last time you made love?

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<v Speaker 2>And then he would ask he yes several times on

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<v Speaker 2>the day, to bring a vibrator to the next meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, oh my god. Also on the tape recording,

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<v Speaker 2>according to The Washington Post, I did not pay for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I went on safari where I have not reached the

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<v Speaker 2>maximum because I'm a chrome girl. So on tape, according

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<v Speaker 2>to the post, at the count of three, you won't

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<v Speaker 2>be able to control yourself. You will remain ravenous, incredibly horny,

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<v Speaker 2>amazingly amazingly aroused, and an excited person, and you will

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<v Speaker 2>insist that I touch you in any way that brings

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<v Speaker 2>you pleasure. And then when she snaps out of the trance,

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<v Speaker 2>he asks, like nothing's ever happened. He's just like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so here are the papers. And then at that point

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<v Speaker 2>the police burst into the room and arrest him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>They hand the case over to the Lorraine County Prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 2>office in October twenty fourteen, and then he was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>after the hidden camera footage in the office that was

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<v Speaker 2>like part of the you know, staying operation obviously, so

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<v Speaker 2>for some reason, the authorities released the footage in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>like to the media, like you can watch it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually really fucked up, like ABC News and twenty something

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah called it shocking, but like I just can't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>an undercover abuse video that like helps him get captured,

1:23:51.680 --> 1:23:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Like why would the authorities do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they got her permission so that people could see

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<v Speaker 1>what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 2>Has she had to come forward and do an interview later,

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<v Speaker 2>like because she was just like, yeah, I guess they

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<v Speaker 2>did that. Oh no, did they blur her face? Well yeah,

1:24:09.720 --> 1:24:12.679
<v Speaker 2>it's mostly it's just him. It's just him. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I don't know why the public needed to

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<v Speaker 2>see it. I'm confused why authorities would do that. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine so that other people that feel

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<v Speaker 1>like any of those words, like like like oh my god,

1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that's how I know someone that talks to me with

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of like I guess to get the word out.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, yeah, but that's yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in like what the you know some of

1:24:34.439 --> 1:24:36.599
<v Speaker 2>her phone stuff in the hypnosis, he made the woman

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<v Speaker 2>like walk to the couch where he initiated a sexual encounter,

1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and he actually ended up pleading guilty. He pled guilty

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<v Speaker 2>six days before the trial was scheduled to open, with

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<v Speaker 2>five counts of kidnapping with sexual motivation and one count

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<v Speaker 2>of attempt at kidnapping. Can someone please let me know

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<v Speaker 2>why hypnosis is kidnapping? I swear to you, I was googling.

1:24:57.560 --> 1:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I was in the reddits. I was trying. Maybe I

1:24:59.560 --> 1:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>could have tried harder, Like, I don't understand.

1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember one time being shocked about like if you

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I remember. It's like if you move someone

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<v Speaker 1>against their will, even within like a home, to one

1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>room to the other, that's kidnapping. Apparently, like you don't

1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:19.639
<v Speaker 1>have to take them out anywhere. But that still doesn't

1:25:19.640 --> 1:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>really cover what you're talking about. So I don't know. Oh, okay,

1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I just googled.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know why I didn't reverse search

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of what constitutes as kidnapping. I just kept

1:25:31.280 --> 1:25:35.519
<v Speaker 2>being like, how is hipnosis kidnapping? But this makes sense. Now,

1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:40.760
<v Speaker 2>person acts with intent to prevent another's liberation, either by

1:25:40.800 --> 1:25:43.000
<v Speaker 2>secreting her whole ding in a place or here she

1:25:43.120 --> 1:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>is not likely to be found using threatening use of

1:25:46.840 --> 1:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>deadly physical force when that person's conscious, objective or purposes

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<v Speaker 2>to do so. Okay, so I think it's the liberation

1:25:53.800 --> 1:25:58.479
<v Speaker 2>of it all. Prevent another's liberation an unlawful restraint of

1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>a person's liberty by force or show of force. Yeah, interesting,

1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no other charges, Like, I wonder if that was

1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:09.280
<v Speaker 2>like hard to like proven core that happened. I'm just

1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>really confused. So if anyone has answers, let us know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at his sentencing, one victim did testify and two sentence statements,

1:26:19.160 --> 1:26:21.799
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he was like, I have remorse and regret.

1:26:21.880 --> 1:26:22.599
<v Speaker 4>I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 2>But they did get more than fifty letters sent in

1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:30.519
<v Speaker 2>of support, so don't worry. His wife, mother, sisters, friends,

1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:33.760
<v Speaker 2>church people and pastor said that he was a great

1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:34.320
<v Speaker 2>best friend.

1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:36.320
<v Speaker 4>All said, this is a great guy. This is a

1:26:36.320 --> 1:26:36.880
<v Speaker 4>great guy.

1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:39.479
<v Speaker 1>He was just testing out his hypnosis kit that he

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<v Speaker 1>got for Hanukkah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like truly on a tape that's so wild. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>He also did admit it because he pled guilty. Yeah

1:26:48.680 --> 1:26:50.280
<v Speaker 2>if he didn't, but if he wouldn't have gone to court.

1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's church people though, because they're being like he's admitting

1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>his sin and he's repenting, you know. Yeah, well yeah,

1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:02.240
<v Speaker 1>he basically he did admit he his familiarity with and

1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>dexterity in hypnosis to control six women, forcing them to

1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>tend to his sexual desires against their conscious will. So

1:27:09.960 --> 1:27:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>So this former Ohio lawyer was sentenced to twelve years

1:27:13.320 --> 1:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>in prison for hypnotizing and sexually abusing his female clients.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael was fifty nine when sentenced by Judge Patricia Cosgrove

1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.920
<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen, and then he was also ordered like,

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<v Speaker 2>even when he gets out, he has to register as

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<v Speaker 2>a sex defender for twenty five years. And I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know this, but during this time, every one hundred and

1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:33.080
<v Speaker 2>eighty days he has to reregister for those twenty five

1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, shit, yeah, and obviously disbarred.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh wow, so twice a year you have to reregister down?

1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow, quick math? And so why didn't they just

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<v Speaker 2>say twice a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so harried.

1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Six months he's fucking he's fucking up, but he freaks okay.

1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:54.719
<v Speaker 2>He also had six civil lawsuits and so like, because

1:27:54.720 --> 1:27:57.439
<v Speaker 2>one of his former clients goes, I spent seventeen grand

1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>on his services while he his mother fucking hymno, oh

1:28:00.840 --> 1:28:05.880
<v Speaker 2>my god. In October twenty eighteen, ap News reports that

1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.360
<v Speaker 2>he was ordered to pay, but only to one client

1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:12.519
<v Speaker 2>two point three million dollars. There were three other civil

1:28:12.560 --> 1:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>cases that were unsuccessful that I found out about in Corato.

1:28:16.120 --> 1:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>The judge goes, this is actually unsurprising Michael Fine is

1:28:19.320 --> 1:28:21.680
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer, and even though he is now disbarred, are

1:28:21.720 --> 1:28:24.120
<v Speaker 2>no longer licensed to practice law. He fought this tooth

1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and nail and just did a lot of motions to

1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>inhibit the progress of the case. And that's on Cleveland

1:28:29.800 --> 1:28:32.519
<v Speaker 2>dot com. I don't know what that is. Melissa said

1:28:32.520 --> 1:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>that it changed her life in many ways, like it sucks,

1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>like when we talk about the residual, like trauma. She

1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:39.360
<v Speaker 2>won't be in a room with anybody by you know,

1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:41.759
<v Speaker 2>by herself. She doesn't shut doors.

1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a lot of trauma.

1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:48.160
<v Speaker 2>And the judge again, Patricia, I really am down with her.

1:28:49.080 --> 1:28:51.559
<v Speaker 2>She said, at the lowest point in their lives, when

1:28:51.600 --> 1:28:54.800
<v Speaker 2>they came to for help and throes of painful divorces

1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and custody battles, you took advantage of them. You took

1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>advantage of their trust and faith in you sexually abusing them.

1:29:02.000 --> 1:29:03.360
<v Speaker 4>And that's in the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 1>Love the Judge, Yeah, love the judge. You don't need

1:29:08.000 --> 1:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to learn hypnotism, you don't need to like to You

1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:15.320
<v Speaker 1>can just be nice and women will have sex with

1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:18.559
<v Speaker 1>you. You could just be a good person, like I do

1:29:18.640 --> 1:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>think that everybody finds everybody can find someone to have

1:29:21.439 --> 1:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>sex with them, don't need to learn hypnotism and take

1:29:24.720 --> 1:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>advantage of people.

1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:27.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, you had a wife.

1:29:27.600 --> 1:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>If it's not even about sex, it's like, yeah, you

1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>know rapists. Yeah, I wonder if they couldn't do the rape.

1:29:35.200 --> 1:29:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if it didn't go a certain way. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve years, I'm okay with twelve years. One of the

1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:42.839
<v Speaker 2>victims did say, you got twelve years. I got a lifetime,

1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:45.799
<v Speaker 2>so you know, yeah, finish the trauma.

1:29:45.920 --> 1:29:48.519
<v Speaker 1>Twelve years would mean he's kind of out in like

1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the next few years, right.

1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I for some reason, I was like, I

1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>bet they fucking let him out early. But I guess not, yeah,

1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>or yeah, maybe he changed his name.

1:29:58.400 --> 1:30:00.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I don't fucking know. Right, there's more.

1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>There's more the Jeffrey shawcase, and it's Jeffrey GEO f

1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>fr e y if you want to, you know, if

1:30:08.479 --> 1:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>that's what you're thinking about. This guy's a hypnotherapist, obviously

1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>up to no good and he was like seventy when

1:30:16.600 --> 1:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the case came up. So again, like, I don't know

1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:20.720
<v Speaker 2>how long he's been doing all this fucked up shit,

1:30:22.080 --> 1:30:25.559
<v Speaker 2>and we're in Bingley West Yorkshire, so we're in the UK.

1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>Manchester area is where I kind of put this.

1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Shaw used his powers to rape a vulnerable patient repeatedly.

1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Instead of treating her for what she was there for,

1:30:37.320 --> 1:30:40.400
<v Speaker 2>he controlled and dominated her and that having set and

1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>like convinced her that having sex was essential to her recovery.

1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:46.639
<v Speaker 2>And this was in his home office while like, the

1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>therapist's wife sat in a nearby room in the house.

1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.800
<v Speaker 2>The Guardian reports she was unaware of what's going on.

1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:55.000
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that could really be proven, so

1:30:55.320 --> 1:30:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know either way.

1:30:57.160 --> 1:30:57.639
<v Speaker 4>It sucks.

1:30:57.720 --> 1:31:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So the victim trusted, you know this, She paid his

1:31:00.880 --> 1:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>fee after sessions, even when she was attacked. She was

1:31:04.640 --> 1:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>really into the therapy. But he did not ever ask

1:31:09.000 --> 1:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>permission to you know, for the crossing of boundaries, No consent,

1:31:14.479 --> 1:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>none of that. The woman was from Stockport, Greater Manchester,

1:31:18.439 --> 1:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>and said according to the Guardian, the attacks happened after

1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:24.599
<v Speaker 2>she contacted the therapist through the Yellow Pages so Old

1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>School nineteen eighty nine. She said that during her sessions

1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>he would talk in a soft, monotone voice, counting down

1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:32.439
<v Speaker 2>from ten, and his voice would get quieter, and she

1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:34.680
<v Speaker 2>says she lost all sense of time because there was

1:31:34.720 --> 1:31:38.120
<v Speaker 2>a very pleasant feeling of relaxation. The next thing she

1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>remembers is doing what he said and she felt powerless.

1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>And then the woman said, after several sessions, Shaw started

1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:47.360
<v Speaker 2>to kiss her and then later told her to remove

1:31:47.400 --> 1:31:50.639
<v Speaker 2>her clothing and did rape her. She stopped seeing him

1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and then went to the police only after attending a

1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>rape crisis center ten years later. So this happened, So

1:31:58.840 --> 1:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>she went in between nineteen eighty nineteen eighty nine. It

1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:05.519
<v Speaker 2>happens in eighty nine, she stops seeing him, doesn't fully

1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:09.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know her journey in that went

1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>to a crisis center in nineteen ninety eight. The Crown

1:32:12.720 --> 1:32:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Prosecution Service decided not to prosecute, but then the charges

1:32:16.600 --> 1:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>were finally brought on after the woman found an old

1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:22.360
<v Speaker 2>dress which she wore the time of her like in

1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:25.439
<v Speaker 2>the session, and there was semen that was traced back

1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>to Shaw DNA with DNA tests very Lewinsky. Yeah, when

1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>police talks to Shaw, he was like listen, you know,

1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I hypnotized her. But he denied the sextor rape, which

1:32:38.000 --> 1:32:40.599
<v Speaker 2>is classic, but it's like the the jizz is there.

1:32:41.520 --> 1:32:43.519
<v Speaker 2>He was charged with six counts of rape and one

1:32:43.560 --> 1:32:47.599
<v Speaker 2>count of indecent assault. Finally went to trial in March

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand. When she was on the stand, they put

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<v Speaker 2>a screen up between her and him because she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's scared that he would hypnotize her.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

1:32:55.160 --> 1:32:55.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was cleared, though unfortunately by a jury in

1:32:59.080 --> 1:33:01.679
<v Speaker 1>less than two hours after a five day trial acquit

1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>it on all charges. I want to think about the

1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>last guy who got a lot of jail time. I know,

1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:09.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to and this guy is a fraud.

1:33:09.680 --> 1:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>He took like a college course, but he never sat

1:33:11.960 --> 1:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>through final exams before, like setting himself up up and

1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>this one man practice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like, don't go to hypnosis in a one man practice.

1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sitting here acting like I think it can

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<v Speaker 1>definitely help people quit smoking and all kinds of other shit.

1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.679
<v Speaker 1>But go somewhere where it's like open door or someone

1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>else's in the room.

1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:30.160
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, it's a I don't know. Honestly. The

1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:31.840
<v Speaker 4>book I read, The Easy Way to Quit.

1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Smoking by Alan Carr, I truly feel like that got

1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:36.439
<v Speaker 1>me to quit smoking by hypnosis. It was literally just

1:33:36.479 --> 1:33:38.479
<v Speaker 1>repeating the same phrases and words like.

1:33:38.439 --> 1:33:39.559
<v Speaker 4>Over and over and over again.

1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>But like, but it was a book, so I felt like,

1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was it was safe. But I don't know,

1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:53.160
<v Speaker 1>this is all really fucked up. I hate that these guys. Yeah,

1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:55.559
<v Speaker 1>people came to you for help, and like so many

1:33:55.600 --> 1:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>people they can for you help. You took advantage of

1:33:58.120 --> 1:34:03.000
<v Speaker 1>them and it makes me sick. Ugh, stop teaching bad

1:34:03.040 --> 1:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>guys the practice of hypnosis. Meanwhile, I'm like, can I

1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>get hypnotized to do something that will help me? I

1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>need that? Okay, well we're gonna have we have a guest,

1:34:11.960 --> 1:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>so let's move on. Our guest today is an actor

1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:27.639
<v Speaker 1>you've seen on shows like Chicago, Med, Condor, and Being Human.

1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:32.599
<v Speaker 1>She's in three episodes of the currently running suits La

1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>as well, but you know her best as the victim

1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>of an evil hypnotist, Abby Clark. Please enjoy our chat

1:34:39.200 --> 1:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>with Kristin Hager. What an episode?

1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:45.000
<v Speaker 4>What a performance? Oh? Thank you?

1:34:45.720 --> 1:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Tell us how you found a while?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I mean it's if we've shot it when

1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:52.360
<v Speaker 5>twenty seventeen?

1:34:52.439 --> 1:34:55.120
<v Speaker 4>It was, I remembers March. Also, I have a weird

1:34:55.240 --> 1:34:56.040
<v Speaker 4>date thing.

1:34:56.120 --> 1:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Cool yeah date because the episode came out in May,

1:34:58.920 --> 1:34:59.479
<v Speaker 1>so wow, I.

1:34:59.479 --> 1:35:02.080
<v Speaker 5>Can't definitely it was definitely March twenty seventeen, so it

1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:03.160
<v Speaker 5>was eight years ago.

1:35:02.960 --> 1:35:06.760
<v Speaker 4>And I and I and I remember enough.

1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:12.559
<v Speaker 5>But also I'm like, I don't remember enough. Yeah, it's

1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:15.040
<v Speaker 5>like it was, it was. I mean, it was an

1:35:15.120 --> 1:35:19.400
<v Speaker 5>intense episode to shoot for sure. Yeah, it was an

1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.960
<v Speaker 5>exciting job to come along because it was an offer

1:35:23.080 --> 1:35:25.120
<v Speaker 5>which was which was great.

1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:26.680
<v Speaker 4>But it was one of.

1:35:26.680 --> 1:35:30.720
<v Speaker 5>Those really great things where you know, we do this

1:35:30.880 --> 1:35:33.320
<v Speaker 5>job that's really hard and you just get rejected over

1:35:33.360 --> 1:35:35.160
<v Speaker 5>and over again. You get really close to so many

1:35:35.240 --> 1:35:37.680
<v Speaker 5>jobs and you're like, well that was for nothing. But

1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:41.880
<v Speaker 5>specifically this was you know, the casting director knew me

1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:44.840
<v Speaker 5>from like a Chicago fire audition that I had done

1:35:45.040 --> 1:35:48.800
<v Speaker 5>i think like two years before. Because all of Dick

1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:52.519
<v Speaker 5>Wolfe's shows are cast by the same wonderful casting director,

1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:53.360
<v Speaker 5>Jonathan Strauss.

1:35:53.400 --> 1:35:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, we want to get him on the pod, but

1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>he's too busy. It's like, well, yes, exactly shows twelve shows.

1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:01.320
<v Speaker 5>So so yeah, it was because of you know, it

1:36:01.360 --> 1:36:03.439
<v Speaker 5>was one of those great things where I almost got

1:36:03.479 --> 1:36:06.600
<v Speaker 5>a role on a different show and then he just

1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:08.840
<v Speaker 5>thought of me for this, and and it's also led

1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.439
<v Speaker 5>to some other things down the road as well, which

1:36:11.439 --> 1:36:13.479
<v Speaker 5>has been really really nice. So yeah so he so

1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:14.840
<v Speaker 5>it just came out of nowhere and I was like,

1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:17.840
<v Speaker 5>wonderful that s for you. This is great and I

1:36:17.880 --> 1:36:19.719
<v Speaker 5>and I read the script and I was like, wow,

1:36:19.800 --> 1:36:24.360
<v Speaker 5>this is what a really you know, hard challenging role

1:36:24.680 --> 1:36:27.840
<v Speaker 5>to come and do, but also like a nice, meaty

1:36:27.960 --> 1:36:29.720
<v Speaker 5>role to go and do.

1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Well. Yeah it was.

1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:31.679
<v Speaker 4>It was really fun.

1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:37.200
<v Speaker 2>And you repeat, like there's some storylines that kind of

1:36:37.240 --> 1:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>overlap or repeat, But this is the only hypnosis episode

1:36:41.000 --> 1:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>that I can think of?

1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Am I wrong? Era?

1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:44.800
<v Speaker 4>It's the only hypnosis one.

1:36:44.840 --> 1:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>But there have been other sort of like spiritual gurus

1:36:47.960 --> 1:36:50.559
<v Speaker 1>that have missed, had that been, have done bad things,

1:36:50.600 --> 1:36:54.599
<v Speaker 1>but never yes, never like hypnohypnotizing someone with your link

1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>with your language. That's like what I think, like the

1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:00.040
<v Speaker 1>neuro linguistic of it all is wild. Did you do

1:37:00.160 --> 1:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>research about it or anything? Like yeah, I believe like

1:37:03.200 --> 1:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>let's just go.

1:37:04.840 --> 1:37:06.320
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know what.

1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:11.400
<v Speaker 5>I obviously the ayahuasca world I still find so fascinating

1:37:11.439 --> 1:37:15.040
<v Speaker 5>and it's something I would love to do at some point.

1:37:15.080 --> 1:37:16.360
<v Speaker 4>But what the research I did was.

1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:18.599
<v Speaker 5>Mostly about these like because I always thought like, oh, yeah,

1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:20.080
<v Speaker 5>you know, I had a bunch of friends at that

1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:21.920
<v Speaker 5>point that had done it, and most people had gone

1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:25.320
<v Speaker 5>down to Peru and places. But it was these learning

1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:29.759
<v Speaker 5>about these like urban ayahuasca sessions all over New York

1:37:29.960 --> 1:37:32.839
<v Speaker 5>that were happening that I was like, what, Wow.

1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:34.839
<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know that that was happening.

1:37:34.920 --> 1:37:37.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought was like, I live in La so I'm like, yeah,

1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>people go out to the desert and do that kind

1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of stuff all the time.

1:37:40.200 --> 1:37:41.200
<v Speaker 4>I didn't think it was.

1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Like in the episode. I was like, is this real?

1:37:43.479 --> 1:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>People just go to a massive loft and do iowas

1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>go together? Like I agreed? And then that's how I felt.

1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Never and apparently yes, it was like, you know.

1:37:51.120 --> 1:37:52.280
<v Speaker 4>On the down low.

1:37:52.320 --> 1:37:56.600
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, And and what was interesting is that Stuart Townsend,

1:37:56.600 --> 1:37:58.479
<v Speaker 5>who was who was cast opposite me, is.

1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:00.240
<v Speaker 4>The bad guy.

1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:02.960
<v Speaker 5>We you know, we had rehearsals and then and then

1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:06.200
<v Speaker 5>afterwards we're staying in the same hotel, so so had

1:38:06.240 --> 1:38:09.120
<v Speaker 5>dinner together to discuss you know, the roles and stuff.

1:38:09.160 --> 1:38:17.080
<v Speaker 5>And he he had taken ayahuasca like twenty times, so

1:38:17.080 --> 1:38:19.519
<v Speaker 5>so you know, it was very informative about that whole

1:38:19.520 --> 1:38:21.559
<v Speaker 5>world and stuff, which was crazy. But yeah, he's like

1:38:21.600 --> 1:38:23.840
<v Speaker 5>a he's just one of those guys that that's just

1:38:23.880 --> 1:38:26.439
<v Speaker 5>what you know, they do these like over a week,

1:38:26.520 --> 1:38:28.920
<v Speaker 5>you do it like every day or something. It's great,

1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:32.519
<v Speaker 5>it's crazy. Yeah, but yeah, So he had a lot

1:38:32.560 --> 1:38:35.400
<v Speaker 5>of information about that, but no, the hypnosis stuff, now,

1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:39.320
<v Speaker 5>I just I since then, I've I've done a lot

1:38:39.360 --> 1:38:44.479
<v Speaker 5>of research because I actually had a baby two years

1:38:44.479 --> 1:38:46.640
<v Speaker 5>ago and I used hypnosis for childbirth.

1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.559
<v Speaker 4>Really I did more I did.

1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:52.720
<v Speaker 5>I got pregnant and was like, great, I don't have

1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:55.320
<v Speaker 5>a plan. I'm just gonna, you know, see how I'm feeling.

1:38:55.439 --> 1:38:57.680
<v Speaker 5>And I ended up reading a book that my mom

1:38:57.760 --> 1:38:59.799
<v Speaker 5>had got me halfway through and it was just about

1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:04.559
<v Speaker 5>like a midwife somewhere in in you know, I don't know,

1:39:04.640 --> 1:39:08.679
<v Speaker 5>the South, and and she just wrote about one hundred

1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:12.640
<v Speaker 5>women's birth stories and just you know how you just

1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:15.400
<v Speaker 5>kind of go internal and let your body do what

1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:17.760
<v Speaker 5>it's going to do and and see what happens. And

1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:19.840
<v Speaker 5>I was like, you know what, I actually grew up

1:39:19.840 --> 1:39:21.920
<v Speaker 5>in a really small town in Canada, where like women

1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:23.920
<v Speaker 5>just didn't have drugs when they.

1:39:24.400 --> 1:39:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Go back in the day. So I was like, well,

1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:29.240
<v Speaker 4>I'm just gonna try this if I can.

1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:35.479
<v Speaker 5>So I hired a hypno doula basically trail.

1:39:35.920 --> 1:39:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:39:36.360 --> 1:39:39.519
<v Speaker 5>I did self hypnosis for like the last two and

1:39:39.560 --> 1:39:42.280
<v Speaker 5>a half months of my pregnancy, where I would listen

1:39:42.320 --> 1:39:44.040
<v Speaker 5>to a track and I would lay down every day

1:39:44.080 --> 1:39:47.599
<v Speaker 5>for forty five minutes and just listen to this this

1:39:47.840 --> 1:39:53.640
<v Speaker 5>specifically this music that was just really calming and and

1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:57.559
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, just it was the same music over

1:39:57.600 --> 1:40:01.519
<v Speaker 5>these tracks of of you know, just self affirmations, et cetera.

1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:03.439
<v Speaker 5>And I was just like, if anything, it was just

1:40:03.439 --> 1:40:07.040
<v Speaker 5>really relaxing for me and I and I did this

1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:09.360
<v Speaker 5>for two and a half months and then and then,

1:40:10.240 --> 1:40:13.040
<v Speaker 5>like I kid you not, the day of my due date,

1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:17.240
<v Speaker 5>one am passed and my water broke and I was like,

1:40:17.280 --> 1:40:20.519
<v Speaker 5>what the fuck, Like what do I do now? And

1:40:20.560 --> 1:40:22.280
<v Speaker 5>I called my dou lau and she was like, well,

1:40:22.320 --> 1:40:24.719
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't mean anything, like you could go into labor

1:40:24.760 --> 1:40:27.000
<v Speaker 5>in twelve or thirty six hours, but lay down and

1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:27.920
<v Speaker 5>try and get some rest.

1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:31.200
<v Speaker 4>And I put my track in and I.

1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:34.759
<v Speaker 5>Laid down, and sure enough, like my back started aching,

1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:36.880
<v Speaker 5>and every six minutes it would ache more and more

1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:37.720
<v Speaker 5>and more, and I was like, I.

1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:39.679
<v Speaker 4>Think I'm in active labor.

1:40:40.080 --> 1:40:42.200
<v Speaker 5>So I woke up my husband again because he had

1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:45.800
<v Speaker 5>fallen asleep, of course, and I was like, I think

1:40:45.840 --> 1:40:48.960
<v Speaker 5>we need to get moving. And I started walking around

1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:52.040
<v Speaker 5>the house and I still had these stupid headphones in

1:40:52.400 --> 1:40:55.160
<v Speaker 5>and and like as soon as I started walking around,

1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:57.880
<v Speaker 5>it was like every four minutes, and then and then

1:40:57.920 --> 1:40:59.960
<v Speaker 5>within thirty minutes, it was every three minutes. And we

1:41:00.840 --> 1:41:05.160
<v Speaker 5>like got into the car and I was like, I

1:41:05.240 --> 1:41:06.560
<v Speaker 5>was like, I think I might have the baby in

1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:09.880
<v Speaker 5>the car. Like it was she was wild, like I

1:41:09.880 --> 1:41:13.320
<v Speaker 5>I I don't even know. I guess I transitioned from

1:41:13.320 --> 1:41:15.160
<v Speaker 5>like nine to ten centimeters in the car because my

1:41:15.240 --> 1:41:17.560
<v Speaker 5>legs were shaking, and that's what happens when you're transitioning.

1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:18.880
<v Speaker 4>And by the time I got to the.

1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:21.200
<v Speaker 5>Hospital and they checked me, she I was ten centimeters

1:41:21.240 --> 1:41:23.000
<v Speaker 5>dilated and she was three centimeters down.

1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:25.479
<v Speaker 4>So it was like it was wild.

1:41:25.600 --> 1:41:27.759
<v Speaker 5>And I went into the room and you know, pushed

1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.719
<v Speaker 5>for like forty five minutes and she came out.

1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:34.639
<v Speaker 4>But it was just like I truly think that, I mean, it.

1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:37.639
<v Speaker 5>Fucking hurt, like hell, don't like the hypnosis didn't take

1:41:37.680 --> 1:41:40.280
<v Speaker 5>the pain away, but I was able to just stay

1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:43.639
<v Speaker 5>super calm throughout the entire situation, like.

1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:45.519
<v Speaker 4>I never it was They didn't.

1:41:45.560 --> 1:41:49.240
<v Speaker 5>They couldn't tell how far along I was because I

1:41:49.320 --> 1:41:51.960
<v Speaker 5>was just so calm, Like it was so.

1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:54.400
<v Speaker 4>Weird, Like I really felt like I was hypnotized.

1:41:54.400 --> 1:41:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I think it was so wild. I'm a two time

1:41:57.640 --> 1:42:00.599
<v Speaker 1>epidural user over here. Yeah, it was just great.

1:42:00.800 --> 1:42:03.560
<v Speaker 5>And had I not done this then that would have

1:42:03.920 --> 1:42:06.080
<v Speaker 5>sure been. But I would just like what I want

1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:08.599
<v Speaker 5>to see what happens, and there's something too that's cool

1:42:08.680 --> 1:42:10.439
<v Speaker 5>obvious yea, truly.

1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So back to this, I am obsessed with the

1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:16.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that you had to do so many scenes on

1:42:16.439 --> 1:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the stand, like most times they just do what. I

1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like you were on the stand three different times

1:42:20.960 --> 1:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and then you had to basically tell your fictional boyfriend

1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>everything you hated about him.

1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:29.680
<v Speaker 4>And that was wild. It was so wild, Yeah, it was.

1:42:29.960 --> 1:42:34.040
<v Speaker 4>It was. I think we started with the stand stuff too.

1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1:42:34.880 --> 1:42:37.320
<v Speaker 5>We started in the court, which is always you know,

1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:40.040
<v Speaker 5>you fly, you fly in, and then and then it's

1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:42.439
<v Speaker 5>the time change, and then you get up at four

1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:45.120
<v Speaker 5>am and you just go into a court scene. Like

1:42:45.200 --> 1:42:48.600
<v Speaker 5>I remember being really obviously nervous, but but it was

1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:52.200
<v Speaker 5>a very welcoming set really, you know, at that point,

1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:54.360
<v Speaker 5>a very well oiled machine and so everyone was.

1:42:54.400 --> 1:42:57.000
<v Speaker 4>Just like it just it.

1:42:57.000 --> 1:42:59.240
<v Speaker 5>It was so cool to get to come in and

1:42:59.320 --> 1:43:01.400
<v Speaker 5>especially it's like be in the courthouse and.

1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:06.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah with Star there. Yeah, so yeah, it was really

1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:08.880
<v Speaker 4>really really great job.

1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:10.720
<v Speaker 5>And it was just one of those jobs that like

1:43:11.560 --> 1:43:14.040
<v Speaker 5>it's such an iconic show that getting to come in

1:43:14.080 --> 1:43:17.519
<v Speaker 5>and do it always feels surreal. And like my dad,

1:43:18.680 --> 1:43:21.519
<v Speaker 5>he's the guy that no matter what network TV show

1:43:21.560 --> 1:43:23.920
<v Speaker 5>I get an audition for, I'll call him to be like,

1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:24.599
<v Speaker 5>what's this about?

1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:27.120
<v Speaker 4>What's going on? What happened last week?

1:43:27.120 --> 1:43:31.759
<v Speaker 5>Because he's like watched everything cool, even the like bad stuff,

1:43:32.400 --> 1:43:36.680
<v Speaker 5>but something like Law and Order, any of them, he's obsessed.

1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:39.840
<v Speaker 5>So it's so cool to get to like go do

1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:42.840
<v Speaker 5>a show that like you know your parents are going

1:43:42.880 --> 1:43:45.000
<v Speaker 5>to love too, because you know, half the time, especially

1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:47.679
<v Speaker 5>my mom, she's like, I don't they watch everything?

1:43:47.720 --> 1:43:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Of course, yeah xactly, but but but.

1:43:51.000 --> 1:43:53.200
<v Speaker 5>She's very honest about like if it's something that she

1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:57.000
<v Speaker 5>actually likes. But with my dad, it's, uh, yeah, it

1:43:57.080 --> 1:43:58.120
<v Speaker 5>was one of his favorites.

1:43:58.200 --> 1:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>So it's really funny here because we hear like so

1:44:01.200 --> 1:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>many people have watched it with their moms and their

1:44:03.280 --> 1:44:06.320
<v Speaker 1>grandma's and everything, like their whole lives and it's great

1:44:06.400 --> 1:44:08.519
<v Speaker 1>to see a dad out there getting into the SVU

1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>and Universal View love it. Yeah, so were they always

1:44:12.439 --> 1:44:15.479
<v Speaker 1>really supportive and artsy?

1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:16.679
<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, it's funny.

1:44:17.720 --> 1:44:19.720
<v Speaker 5>I had mentioned I grew up in Canada, but I'm

1:44:19.720 --> 1:44:23.880
<v Speaker 5>from a very very tiny, remote gold mining town and

1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:27.679
<v Speaker 5>the closest city is five hours away. WHOA, The closest

1:44:27.720 --> 1:44:29.599
<v Speaker 5>city is Winnipeg, Manitoba as well.

1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:31.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you've been to Winnipeg. I haven't,

1:44:31.800 --> 1:44:33.400
<v Speaker 4>bag I haven't heard good things.

1:44:34.280 --> 1:44:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I did comedy in Winnipeg and Wow, and I went

1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to the movies on my downtime.

1:44:39.720 --> 1:44:42.679
<v Speaker 1>I actually had long lost family there that I went

1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to their house. Okay, yeah, actually I guess I had

1:44:45.800 --> 1:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>a good time in Winnipeg.

1:44:47.280 --> 1:44:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Amazing. So Winnipeg was the closest city. But I would

1:44:50.200 --> 1:44:52.680
<v Speaker 4>have to do that would be a nightmare. That's not

1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:54.880
<v Speaker 4>a big city that I drive hour. I didn't mean

1:44:54.920 --> 1:44:56.120
<v Speaker 4>to talk shit on Winnipeg.

1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I just had a therapist that was from there and

1:44:57.960 --> 1:44:59.519
<v Speaker 1>she told me it has like the highest crime rate

1:44:59.560 --> 1:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in Canada.

1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:03.200
<v Speaker 4>And it's like she was like, it's bad, it's very bad.

1:45:03.280 --> 1:45:04.679
<v Speaker 4>It's very dangerous.

1:45:05.160 --> 1:45:07.880
<v Speaker 5>But that was the closest movie theater, so if I

1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:10.280
<v Speaker 5>wanted to even go to the movies, we would drive

1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:12.120
<v Speaker 5>five hours to get to the city if we wanted

1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:14.719
<v Speaker 5>to go to a mall or any fast food chains,

1:45:14.720 --> 1:45:18.599
<v Speaker 5>like I'm from the woods, that's so crazy. My mom

1:45:18.840 --> 1:45:21.559
<v Speaker 5>was the drama teacher in the only high school in town.

1:45:21.680 --> 1:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Stop.

1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:22.880
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

1:45:23.120 --> 1:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so when.

1:45:25.520 --> 1:45:28.960
<v Speaker 5>You ask if my parents were artsy, my mom, yes,

1:45:29.040 --> 1:45:32.920
<v Speaker 5>my dad was an electrician and and no, I mean

1:45:32.960 --> 1:45:35.000
<v Speaker 5>he did one play in high school and still likes

1:45:35.040 --> 1:45:36.920
<v Speaker 5>to talk about the fact that he stole the show.

1:45:37.040 --> 1:45:41.040
<v Speaker 5>But my mom always kind of gives me a gives

1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:43.040
<v Speaker 5>me a no, he didn't under her breath because she

1:45:43.120 --> 1:45:45.760
<v Speaker 5>was in the rival cast. They went to high school together. Oh,

1:45:45.800 --> 1:45:48.559
<v Speaker 5>I didn't start dating until afterwards. But but yeah, so

1:45:48.600 --> 1:45:51.000
<v Speaker 5>I grew up in a small town. My mom was

1:45:51.000 --> 1:45:53.400
<v Speaker 5>the drama teacher in the high school as well as

1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:55.920
<v Speaker 5>like one of the founding members of the community theater

1:45:56.479 --> 1:45:59.080
<v Speaker 5>up there, so I, you know, grew up going to

1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:02.439
<v Speaker 5>all of her plays and started doing you know, theater

1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.599
<v Speaker 5>when I was like six, and and then and then yeah,

1:46:05.800 --> 1:46:09.000
<v Speaker 5>moved moved to Toronto when I was eighteen and went

1:46:09.040 --> 1:46:09.840
<v Speaker 5>to a theater school.

1:46:10.000 --> 1:46:11.759
<v Speaker 4>So did she direct you in the place?

1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:14.519
<v Speaker 5>When I was in high school, she directed me in

1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:16.560
<v Speaker 5>a couple of times, And how was that dynamic? I

1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:24.280
<v Speaker 5>mean it was, uh, it was interesting. I never got

1:46:24.320 --> 1:46:29.200
<v Speaker 5>the lead roles. I was like, okay, thanks. Maybe that

1:46:29.320 --> 1:46:32.680
<v Speaker 5>was intentional, I don't know, but but it was. It

1:46:32.720 --> 1:46:36.640
<v Speaker 5>was it was, you know, fun but also embarrassing, like

1:46:36.680 --> 1:46:40.759
<v Speaker 5>we would do in her drama class, like improvisations together

1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:42.360
<v Speaker 5>and like I remember at one point her and I

1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:44.640
<v Speaker 5>like came up together and did this thing and it

1:46:44.720 --> 1:46:46.840
<v Speaker 5>ended up like we had to yell at each other

1:46:46.960 --> 1:46:51.240
<v Speaker 5>about something and it was just very it was like, yeah,

1:46:51.680 --> 1:46:55.479
<v Speaker 5>it was, it was, and it's it was that awkward

1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:58.040
<v Speaker 5>time of being I was probably like sixteen at that point,

1:46:58.160 --> 1:47:03.639
<v Speaker 5>so very self conscious. But but it was weird. Yeah,

1:47:03.680 --> 1:47:05.920
<v Speaker 5>it was weird to have your mom as a drama teacher.

1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:08.599
<v Speaker 1>All right, But I did interrupt to So then you're

1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:11.559
<v Speaker 1>eighteen and eighteen, moved to.

1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Toronto, got my degree in theater, and then started working

1:47:15.040 --> 1:47:19.280
<v Speaker 5>in film and TV after that. But but yeah, I

1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:21.280
<v Speaker 5>have a very supportive family for sure.

1:47:21.400 --> 1:47:25.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're married to another actor, and we always like

1:47:25.240 --> 1:47:28.760
<v Speaker 1>to ask our acting couples, how is that do you

1:47:28.800 --> 1:47:31.479
<v Speaker 1>guys run auditions with each other or do you just

1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>keep it separate, Like what's the.

1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:41.559
<v Speaker 5>We Well, it's challenging. It's also great because we understand

1:47:41.560 --> 1:47:43.040
<v Speaker 5>each other and understand what each other.

1:47:42.960 --> 1:47:47.760
<v Speaker 4>Is going through. But self taping is a disaster.

1:47:48.920 --> 1:47:52.400
<v Speaker 5>Because I just want to like say the words and

1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:53.800
<v Speaker 5>do it, and he's and he's all.

1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:55.320
<v Speaker 4>About like the setup of it.

1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:57.439
<v Speaker 5>Well wait, let me get the like this is his

1:47:57.600 --> 1:47:59.479
<v Speaker 5>like how he put a mic here for me today

1:47:59.520 --> 1:48:02.720
<v Speaker 5>and this is little you know, and I just want

1:48:02.760 --> 1:48:05.799
<v Speaker 5>to get things going. And I'm the most impatient person

1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:09.599
<v Speaker 5>on the planet anyway, So we just care about different things.

1:48:10.520 --> 1:48:13.680
<v Speaker 5>And then and then yeah, it always ends in a

1:48:13.680 --> 1:48:14.600
<v Speaker 5>fight no matter what.

1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:17.639
<v Speaker 4>So we try and then we're and then we like.

1:48:17.720 --> 1:48:19.439
<v Speaker 5>Before we do another table, we'll be like, okay, well

1:48:19.479 --> 1:48:22.679
<v Speaker 5>let's just let's just you know, try and get along.

1:48:22.720 --> 1:48:23.920
<v Speaker 4>And then it still ins in a fight.

1:48:24.000 --> 1:48:27.120
<v Speaker 5>So it's it's not ideal, but it's better if we

1:48:27.160 --> 1:48:29.080
<v Speaker 5>have a friend come over and then we read with them.

1:48:29.160 --> 1:48:31.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I feel like.

1:48:31.520 --> 1:48:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Also when you read with another act or too, they're like,

1:48:34.040 --> 1:48:35.760
<v Speaker 1>you're you just want someone to kind of do it

1:48:35.840 --> 1:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>regular and they're doing their own Flair and you're like, oh,

1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he'll do the.

1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:42.280
<v Speaker 5>Voice, like if it says this person is like this actor,

1:48:42.360 --> 1:48:44.240
<v Speaker 5>he'll do the voice. And I'm like, you're doing the

1:48:44.320 --> 1:48:46.240
<v Speaker 5>voice and he's like, no, I'm not. He's like not

1:48:46.280 --> 1:48:48.840
<v Speaker 5>even aware of that he's doing it. Like stop, you're

1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:51.920
<v Speaker 5>you're you're upstaging me off camera.

1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, now he is like he was in

1:48:55.760 --> 1:48:58.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the most iconic television shows of the past

1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:00.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty years. Do people just yell badger it you guys

1:49:00.360 --> 1:49:01.400
<v Speaker 1>when you're walking down.

1:49:01.200 --> 1:49:05.080
<v Speaker 5>The street all day every day, like because he's six'

1:49:05.160 --> 1:49:08.560
<v Speaker 5>four and very neat, looking like he's so noticeable that

1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:11.519
<v Speaker 5>no matter, what he can't escape. It and even like

1:49:11.720 --> 1:49:13.760
<v Speaker 5>during the pandemic when he had a mask on all the,

1:49:13.760 --> 1:49:16.440
<v Speaker 5>time he's got this really raspy voice and everyone recognizes

1:49:16.479 --> 1:49:19.200
<v Speaker 5>his voice, Too so even then he would just say

1:49:19.240 --> 1:49:21.320
<v Speaker 5>something to someone and people knew who he, Was like

1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:22.680
<v Speaker 5>it's it's really that's so.

1:49:22.840 --> 1:49:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Funny it is very.

1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Funny and it's also it's so funny when your kids are,

1:49:26.439 --> 1:49:27.439
<v Speaker 1>like how does that person know?

1:49:27.560 --> 1:49:29.719
<v Speaker 4>You And you're, LIKE i don't, know don't worry about.

1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:33.920
<v Speaker 2>It such a memorable name BECAUSE i don't remember any

1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:38.519
<v Speaker 2>heavy other like, friends you know Of Aaron, paul's you,

1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:40.719
<v Speaker 2>know so it's like it's a batcher.

1:49:40.880 --> 1:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>FOREVER i, know he was memorable for. Sure, yeah definitely. Definitely,

1:49:47.200 --> 1:49:49.599
<v Speaker 1>well and then you're back at The Dick wolf. Universe

1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you did do a bunch Of chicago met you ended

1:49:52.120 --> 1:49:52.760
<v Speaker 1>up back.

1:49:52.800 --> 1:49:57.360
<v Speaker 5>THERE i, Did and so again back to This chicago fire.

1:49:57.439 --> 1:50:01.640
<v Speaker 5>Tape that's how The chicago med job came along as.

1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:03.479
<v Speaker 5>WELL i feel like this should just be my demo

1:50:03.640 --> 1:50:10.760
<v Speaker 5>scene For Chicago. Fire, no but that's that's also how

1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:14.920
<v Speaker 5>The chicago med job came. Along, uh and so so,

1:50:15.040 --> 1:50:17.519
<v Speaker 5>YEAH i. WENT i went To chicago for you, KNOW

1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:21.639
<v Speaker 5>i did fourteen. EPISODES i left the show ONCE i got.

1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:26.080
<v Speaker 5>Pregnant BUT i but, yeah it was it was also

1:50:26.520 --> 1:50:28.559
<v Speaker 5>such a well oiled machine to come. IN i think

1:50:28.600 --> 1:50:31.760
<v Speaker 5>it was like season, eight but Like fire was in

1:50:31.840 --> 1:50:34.600
<v Speaker 5>ten at that, point and OR i don't even, know

1:50:34.640 --> 1:50:37.639
<v Speaker 5>but like, again it's just he has such an enterprise

1:50:38.680 --> 1:50:40.160
<v Speaker 5>that it's really.

1:50:40.200 --> 1:50:44.800
<v Speaker 4>Cool but but, yeah it was also a really a

1:50:44.840 --> 1:50:45.320
<v Speaker 4>really fun.

1:50:45.400 --> 1:50:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Job that's. Awesome and now you're in like, this you're

1:50:49.600 --> 1:50:53.240
<v Speaker 1>In Suit's, la, Right SO i came in, too Suits

1:50:53.320 --> 1:50:56.559
<v Speaker 1>la to do a three episode. Arc, okay so, YEAH

1:50:56.640 --> 1:50:58.880
<v Speaker 1>i think one of them has aired so. Far very

1:50:58.920 --> 1:51:02.760
<v Speaker 1>cool because Like suit was over and then just had

1:51:02.760 --> 1:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>this like resurgence On, netflix which is like a really

1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:09.240
<v Speaker 1>cool like you, know you just never know these shows

1:51:09.240 --> 1:51:11.280
<v Speaker 1>that are going to hit later when they hit streaming and.

1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Stuff and now you're in the spin off of THE La,

1:51:14.400 --> 1:51:15.040
<v Speaker 1>yeah it's very.

1:51:15.080 --> 1:51:17.200
<v Speaker 4>COOL i had an auditioned for the.

1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:19.760
<v Speaker 5>ORIGINAL i ended up screen testing for the original for

1:51:19.800 --> 1:51:20.559
<v Speaker 5>The Megan marko.

1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:25.080
<v Speaker 4>ROLE i, know, uh and then She's Megan.

1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Sussex, now oh, right, right you're getting that would have

1:51:27.880 --> 1:51:29.480
<v Speaker 1>changed the course.

1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:31.360
<v Speaker 4>Of, history would have changed the course of it.

1:51:32.000 --> 1:51:35.120
<v Speaker 1>HISTORY i also wanted to ask you you, played speaking

1:51:35.120 --> 1:51:38.040
<v Speaker 1>of like true crime and, stuff you Played leslie Van

1:51:38.080 --> 1:51:41.400
<v Speaker 1>houghton in a movie and that's really, crazy one of

1:51:41.439 --> 1:51:42.719
<v Speaker 1>The Manson Murderers.

1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:45.240
<v Speaker 4>Murderouses it was A.

1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:48.960
<v Speaker 5>Canadian, film uh Called Leslie My name Is evil about

1:51:49.280 --> 1:51:50.120
<v Speaker 5>About leslie Van.

1:51:50.200 --> 1:51:53.000
<v Speaker 4>Houghton but it was like a kind.

1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:56.840
<v Speaker 5>Of a social satire of the sixties and and the,

1:51:56.920 --> 1:51:59.800
<v Speaker 5>time so it's not what people are expecting when they watch.

1:51:59.840 --> 1:52:03.840
<v Speaker 4>It it's like a, wild, weird surreal.

1:52:03.960 --> 1:52:09.760
<v Speaker 5>Movie, cool but it was really cool to, Shoot AND

1:52:09.840 --> 1:52:11.839
<v Speaker 5>i don't THINK i left my house for a solid

1:52:11.880 --> 1:52:15.000
<v Speaker 5>month prepping for the movie BECAUSE i was so deeply

1:52:16.280 --> 1:52:23.000
<v Speaker 5>obsessed and and involved in Anything Charles. Manson LIKE i

1:52:23.080 --> 1:52:25.280
<v Speaker 5>watched EVERYTHING i could watch and read EVERYTHING i could,

1:52:25.280 --> 1:52:28.000
<v Speaker 5>read and it was dark and, crazy but also like

1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:31.919
<v Speaker 5>how fascinating what happened to these? People and he was

1:52:31.960 --> 1:52:34.840
<v Speaker 5>speaking of hypnosis that he was able to brainwash. Them In,

1:52:35.240 --> 1:52:38.240
<v Speaker 5>canada it's Called Leslie My name Is, evil but In,

1:52:38.360 --> 1:52:41.120
<v Speaker 5>AMERICA i think they changed the title To Manson My

1:52:41.240 --> 1:52:41.640
<v Speaker 5>name Is.

1:52:41.680 --> 1:52:45.240
<v Speaker 4>Evil, yeah and she's.

1:52:45.280 --> 1:52:50.240
<v Speaker 5>Out she's out and now after a, long long time

1:52:50.400 --> 1:52:51.280
<v Speaker 5>Years AND i.

1:52:51.520 --> 1:52:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Said think she was eighteen when she went, in and.

1:52:54.439 --> 1:52:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's really because Like newsom tried to deny her

1:52:57.320 --> 1:53:00.439
<v Speaker 1>parole and then she they overruled, it like she appealed

1:53:00.439 --> 1:53:02.280
<v Speaker 1>it and Got AND i think she's like the First

1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:04.720
<v Speaker 1>manson member that was.

1:53:04.760 --> 1:53:08.479
<v Speaker 4>RELEASED i THINK i think so, so which which makes.

1:53:08.479 --> 1:53:11.400
<v Speaker 5>Sense but, yeah like it, was you, KNOW i had

1:53:11.439 --> 1:53:13.920
<v Speaker 5>tried to appeal so many times and was yeah.

1:53:15.200 --> 1:53:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Denied you can't even imagine what her life would be

1:53:17.680 --> 1:53:22.599
<v Speaker 1>like after so much of it behind. Bars it's just you, know, Wow,

1:53:22.720 --> 1:53:25.320
<v Speaker 1>yeah that must have been a wild Role, yeah it.

1:53:25.520 --> 1:53:27.719
<v Speaker 4>Was it. Was it was very.

1:53:29.280 --> 1:53:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Also, challenging but also really you, know it's always fun

1:53:34.280 --> 1:53:38.760
<v Speaker 5>when you get to when there's so much material to, research, yeah,

1:53:38.880 --> 1:53:40.760
<v Speaker 5>project because sometimes you just go in and then you

1:53:40.920 --> 1:53:42.559
<v Speaker 5>make it up as you go and it's your own.

1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:45.000
<v Speaker 5>Thing but when when it's when you're playing a real.

1:53:45.000 --> 1:53:48.599
<v Speaker 5>Person i've had this a couple of. Times it's it's it's,

1:53:48.680 --> 1:53:52.720
<v Speaker 5>daunting but also just really cool to to have all of,

1:53:52.720 --> 1:53:59.200
<v Speaker 5>this you, know all this uh, stuff the photos that

1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:04.880
<v Speaker 5>you get To, yeah it's, uh it was, yeah really really.

1:54:04.920 --> 1:54:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Cool it is. Cool it was a. Weird it's a weird,

1:54:07.880 --> 1:54:11.000
<v Speaker 4>one but it's but it's. Cool what are you doing?

1:54:11.080 --> 1:54:11.639
<v Speaker 4>Now what's?

1:54:11.720 --> 1:54:17.040
<v Speaker 5>Next SO i just finished shooting suits about a month,

1:54:17.080 --> 1:54:19.240
<v Speaker 5>ago and NOW i don't know what's coming.

1:54:19.320 --> 1:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Next I'm i'm home with the nose More. Toddler and

1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you looked really good on the red. Carpet was a

1:54:25.960 --> 1:54:28.559
<v Speaker 1>nice thank, you thank, you thank, you some.

1:54:28.640 --> 1:54:28.880
<v Speaker 3>Girl.

1:54:29.520 --> 1:54:32.440
<v Speaker 5>Thanks, yeah it's always fun to get to, go you,

1:54:32.440 --> 1:54:36.040
<v Speaker 5>know do The red. Carpets it's been a while BECAUSE

1:54:36.040 --> 1:54:38.720
<v Speaker 5>i BECAUSE i, uh you, KNOW i, mean first of,

1:54:38.720 --> 1:54:40.200
<v Speaker 5>all the world shut, down AND i feel like this

1:54:40.320 --> 1:54:43.640
<v Speaker 5>was the first event i've actually been to in five

1:54:43.720 --> 1:54:48.120
<v Speaker 5>years because also people just stopped and, yeah and the

1:54:48.160 --> 1:54:51.360
<v Speaker 5>strike and and then also BECAUSE i had a, KID

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<v Speaker 5>Now i'm you, know clawing my way. Back if you, were,

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<v Speaker 5>well a two year old is holding onto my.

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<v Speaker 1>Leg if you were to come back TO, svu what

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<v Speaker 1>kind of character would you want to?

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<v Speaker 4>play a.

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<v Speaker 5>LAWYER i NEVER i feel LIKE I i'd love to

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<v Speaker 5>play a, lawyer putting it out, THERE i see.

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<v Speaker 4>It, yeah what are you on? Suits on?

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<v Speaker 5>Suits i'm An i'm an actress.

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<v Speaker 4>Whose husband.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh is a famous producer and he ends up on

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<v Speaker 5>trial for murdering his best friend WHO i was having an.

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<v Speaker 5>Affair way, Whoa, okay there's layers, layers so it will

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<v Speaker 5>she stand by him or? Not and and the next

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<v Speaker 5>episode that will air his trial, begins So i'm back

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<v Speaker 5>in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Courthouse, okay, okay, YEAH i would love you as a

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer On law And ORDER.

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<v Speaker 4>Svu i'd love.

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<v Speaker 1>It prosecutor, Defense, oh prosecutor probably all?

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<v Speaker 4>yeah you, know we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>See oh this was great, though thanks for taking the

1:56:07.760 --> 1:56:10.960
<v Speaker 1>time to talk to. Us thank, you and great job

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<v Speaker 1>in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Episode thank. You wow that was.

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<v Speaker 2>WILD i just, honestly what keeps haunting me is the

1:56:20.280 --> 1:56:23.960
<v Speaker 2>five hours and the biggest city Is. WINNIPEG i mean

1:56:24.720 --> 1:56:28.320
<v Speaker 2>five hours to go to a, movie to go to a.

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<v Speaker 4>Movie it's, like that's a that's a that's an.

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<v Speaker 1>ISOLATION i can't even, Fathom, like you, KNOW i don't

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<v Speaker 1>even Think i've ever been to a place that's that

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<v Speaker 1>far from other. STUFF i don't, Know, LIKE i Guess

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<v Speaker 1>i've driven cross, country BUT i keep. MOVING i Don't

1:56:44.680 --> 1:56:50.480
<v Speaker 1>i've never like. Stopped but, wow that is. Isolated but

1:56:50.600 --> 1:56:52.080
<v Speaker 1>she seems fun and that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun i'm glad we're getting guests, back getting in the,

1:56:54.840 --> 1:56:56.560
<v Speaker 2>room talking to the artists.

1:56:56.640 --> 1:56:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Acts she seems like she's gonna get. Back she's got

1:57:00.080 --> 1:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to be back on our radars now she's in Suits

1:57:02.840 --> 1:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>la and, yeah she was.

1:57:04.560 --> 1:57:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Cool, wait you know, what people keep trying to get

1:57:07.480 --> 1:57:09.400
<v Speaker 2>on our podcast And i'm, like you need to get ON.

1:57:09.520 --> 1:57:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Svu who do you think you? Are it's also just fun.

1:57:13.440 --> 1:57:15.160
<v Speaker 2>CASTS a girl this week was, like oh my, god

1:57:15.240 --> 1:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>you KNOW i watch you should have me On And i'm, like,

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<v Speaker 2>well you clearly don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen don't. Listen, yeah which is, fine it's just.

1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Fine but sometimes a publicist will write us and be, like,

1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh i'd love to get my client on your.

1:57:27.720 --> 1:57:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Show i'm, like do you know what it's?

1:57:28.640 --> 1:57:31.240
<v Speaker 1>About you should just do a Basic google and if

1:57:31.280 --> 1:57:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you know that your client has not been ON, svu

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<v Speaker 1>we would not have your clients on the.

1:57:34.520 --> 1:57:37.120
<v Speaker 4>Podcast it's really very.

1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:39.920
<v Speaker 2>PICKY i, mean unless unless you're trying to save abortion

1:57:40.040 --> 1:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>rates In.

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<v Speaker 1>America we have an. Exception that's the only guest we've ever, had,

1:57:45.160 --> 1:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>right who's been. On and that was our.

1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Attempt, yeah and then one time we didn't do a

1:57:51.480 --> 1:57:53.960
<v Speaker 2>true crime and it was to get the late Great

1:57:54.200 --> 1:57:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Bob saga, On so it was we know we were doing,

1:57:58.000 --> 1:57:58.520
<v Speaker 2>here we.

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<v Speaker 1>Know what you're. Doing yeah, yeah, yeah but that episode

1:58:02.440 --> 1:58:06.560
<v Speaker 1>is fucking, crazy AND i, like not trust these.

1:58:06.600 --> 1:58:10.880
<v Speaker 4>PEOPLE i. Know it's, like it's just and bring a.

1:58:10.920 --> 1:58:12.360
<v Speaker 4>FRIEND i don't KNOW i, was.

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<v Speaker 1>But bring a, friend bring a. GALPAL i don't. Know

1:58:17.560 --> 1:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to bring your boring. Boyfriend but also

1:58:20.480 --> 1:58:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it Was Charlie's theren's. Ex what's, yeah what's your? Deal?

1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah why have to see? Him, yeah that's. ALL i

1:58:27.920 --> 1:58:29.600
<v Speaker 2>know him from his being at two tan on a

1:58:29.640 --> 1:58:32.480
<v Speaker 2>red carpet one. Time, ABSOLUTELY i was, like how DO

1:58:32.560 --> 1:58:34.000
<v Speaker 2>i know this? Guy WHEN i googled, IT i, Go,

1:58:34.120 --> 1:58:36.400
<v Speaker 2>yep the guy that was like With shirley's their Own.

1:58:36.480 --> 1:58:37.080
<v Speaker 4>Forever, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally Anne hathaway was the Movie snake today AND i

1:58:41.840 --> 1:58:44.400
<v Speaker 2>did get top eight percent of, players but then it's

1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:46.480
<v Speaker 2>moved throughout the day and Now i'm only a top twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Percent but oh my, GOD i was really excited for

1:58:51.480 --> 1:58:52.080
<v Speaker 2>like ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Minutes wow for.

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<v Speaker 1>Translations thank.

1:58:57.520 --> 1:58:59.520
<v Speaker 2>YOU i wish you got into. It BUT i can't

1:58:59.520 --> 1:59:01.800
<v Speaker 2>beat these. FREAKS i think people are. CHEATING i really

1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:05.040
<v Speaker 2>think people are. CHEATING i don't trust. IT i don't trust.

1:59:05.080 --> 1:59:07.640
<v Speaker 2>It the other side of. Heaven who knows that? Movie that's?

1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:09.080
<v Speaker 2>BULLSHIT i don't.

1:59:09.120 --> 1:59:11.000
<v Speaker 4>KNOW i don't. Know you. KNOW i have a.

1:59:11.040 --> 1:59:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Friend i'm actually having dinner with him. Tonight he's my

1:59:14.240 --> 1:59:17.080
<v Speaker 1>friend from summer. Camp he if you tell him your,

1:59:17.120 --> 1:59:20.120
<v Speaker 1>birthday he can tell you all the movies that have

1:59:20.200 --> 1:59:24.000
<v Speaker 1>premiered on your. Birthday he's like his mind, works he.

1:59:24.080 --> 1:59:26.480
<v Speaker 1>GOES i kind of see time as like a circle

1:59:27.160 --> 1:59:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and he's like he LITERALLY i told him my birthday

1:59:29.200 --> 1:59:31.120
<v Speaker 1>once and they're not big movie like he was, like,

1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh september, twentieth he was Like bogus Starring Whoopee.

1:59:34.440 --> 1:59:36.840
<v Speaker 4>GOLDBERG i was, like, What, like he tells me the.

1:59:36.760 --> 1:59:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Most random movies that have opened on my on your,

1:59:38.720 --> 1:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>birthday he basically in the calendar just backs it up

1:59:40.960 --> 1:59:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to the last time you. Move your birthday was like

1:59:42.520 --> 1:59:45.040
<v Speaker 1>on A, friday and then he knows like what opens

1:59:45.040 --> 1:59:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Every friday of like every. Year it's a wild Rain

1:59:49.000 --> 1:59:51.360
<v Speaker 1>man esque quirk of. His Maybe i'll see. Tonight what

1:59:51.400 --> 1:59:53.960
<v Speaker 1>are the latest When i've had Some fridays Since, well it's.

1:59:53.800 --> 1:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>So funny BECAUSE i put on Movie snake as you were,

1:59:56.360 --> 1:59:58.680
<v Speaker 2>talking AND i was looking at a poster Of interstellar

1:59:58.760 --> 2:00:00.720
<v Speaker 2>as you were talking about. Time i'm going in a

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<v Speaker 2>circle for this. Man Oh i've never Seen. Interstellar oh

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<v Speaker 2>it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, Oh casey just gave the maham.

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<v Speaker 2>Signal, No BUT i was, really, Yeah i'm not going

2:00:14.080 --> 2:00:16.040
<v Speaker 2>to talk about. MOVIES i really have to find a new.

2:00:16.040 --> 2:00:18.240
<v Speaker 2>INTEREST i truly talk about the same few. Things my

2:00:18.280 --> 2:00:21.960
<v Speaker 2>soul psychical teacher has. Noticed she's one of the receptionists,

2:00:22.000 --> 2:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>too is, like you should probably come here for, free,

2:00:24.480 --> 2:00:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Right i'm LIKE i talk about it all the.

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<v Speaker 4>Time he, goes, NO i, KNOW i see, It.

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<v Speaker 1>Like throw me a.

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<v Speaker 4>Bone, yeah CAN i get like a promotional? Credit Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Well one THING i wanted to sort of point out

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<v Speaker 1>from the episode to day THAT i don't really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we touched on WAS i did a little bit

2:00:45.080 --> 2:00:51.440
<v Speaker 1>more digging into neural linguistic, programming and it is it

2:00:51.640 --> 2:00:54.520
<v Speaker 1>is like different than just straight up. Hypnosis like neural

2:00:54.600 --> 2:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>linguistic programming focus is more on like the words that

2:00:57.160 --> 2:00:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you're hearing and less on putting you into like a full.

2:00:59.480 --> 2:01:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Trance AND i think they made that they kind of

2:01:02.160 --> 2:01:09.200
<v Speaker 1>interchanged hypnosis AND nlp as it's called in this, episode but.

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<v Speaker 4>They are different.

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<v Speaker 1>Things and actually we could just hoperate into what Would

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<v Speaker 1>Sister peg do because for this, week or what Would

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<v Speaker 1>Sister peg do which is our weekly segment where we

2:01:20.240 --> 2:01:25.920
<v Speaker 1>direct you to, resources, charities you, know documentary something to

2:01:25.920 --> 2:01:27.640
<v Speaker 1>give you more. INFORMATION i wanted to give a little

2:01:27.680 --> 2:01:31.160
<v Speaker 1>bit more information about neural linguistic programming because when you google,

2:01:31.200 --> 2:01:34.080
<v Speaker 1>it it is kind of giving Scam like a lot

2:01:34.120 --> 2:01:36.360
<v Speaker 1>of the top results when you google it are from

2:01:36.360 --> 2:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>people that are practicing it that are like come to

2:01:38.880 --> 2:01:39.400
<v Speaker 1>my therapy.

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<v Speaker 4>Place this is why it's.

2:01:40.360 --> 2:01:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Great AND i found out that like these two guys

2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:47.400
<v Speaker 1>invented it in the seventies Named, Richard Wayne, bandler And John,

2:01:47.480 --> 2:01:52.240
<v Speaker 1>grinder they Founded neural to, me, yeah it was in the,

2:01:52.240 --> 2:01:55.760
<v Speaker 1>seventies and it was an attempt at it was another

2:01:55.800 --> 2:01:59.040
<v Speaker 1>approach to, therapy they called. It and but it's widely

2:01:59.040 --> 2:02:01.760
<v Speaker 1>considered to be a pseudo, science even THOUGH i think

2:02:01.840 --> 2:02:06.000
<v Speaker 1>there are probably like elements of it that makes, sense like,

2:02:06.080 --> 2:02:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Visualization like there's all kinds of elements that make sense in,

2:02:08.680 --> 2:02:11.280
<v Speaker 1>IT i don't think as a. Whole it's from WHAT

2:02:11.320 --> 2:02:13.360
<v Speaker 1>i was, Reading i'm, like why is there not one

2:02:13.440 --> 2:02:15.480
<v Speaker 1>like legitimate website.

2:02:14.960 --> 2:02:20.320
<v Speaker 4>That talks about how it's good and. Works it sounds like.

2:02:22.600 --> 2:02:26.080
<v Speaker 2>The like, defense like the WHEN i was looking at.

2:02:25.960 --> 2:02:27.839
<v Speaker 4>Parental, oh parental.

2:02:27.880 --> 2:02:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Alienation, yeah and HOW i just kept finding like bogus

2:02:31.400 --> 2:02:33.040
<v Speaker 2>law offices trying to like help.

2:02:33.080 --> 2:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Rid you guys exactly the same vibe That i'm, got

2:02:36.520 --> 2:02:38.760
<v Speaker 1>because it's like everything's, like, no this is, great and

2:02:38.800 --> 2:02:41.040
<v Speaker 1>here's HOW i KNOW i practice. It you, Know Like

2:02:41.080 --> 2:02:43.360
<v Speaker 1>i'm like not finding enough facts and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the facts are like actually in medical journals or the

2:02:45.840 --> 2:02:50.040
<v Speaker 1>studies and psychological studies and. Journals So i'm not gonna

2:02:50.080 --> 2:02:53.080
<v Speaker 1>be totally the source for, this BUT i wanted to

2:02:53.120 --> 2:02:55.400
<v Speaker 1>point you to an article on healthline dot com because

2:02:55.400 --> 2:02:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that seems like the most legit THING i could. Find

2:02:58.280 --> 2:03:01.839
<v Speaker 1>it breaks down all the different tens of neural linguistic,

2:03:01.880 --> 2:03:04.240
<v Speaker 1>programming but it also points to the many studies that

2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:07.360
<v Speaker 1>finds that its benefits are largely anecdotal and not supported by.

2:03:07.400 --> 2:03:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Science so if you want to learn a little bit

2:03:09.440 --> 2:03:13.040
<v Speaker 1>more ABOUT nlp, therapy what it, is and just in

2:03:13.040 --> 2:03:16.080
<v Speaker 1>case it's, not, like, yeah what it is and what it's,

2:03:16.120 --> 2:03:18.480
<v Speaker 1>not and just in case somebody tells you about it

2:03:18.200 --> 2:03:20.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're, like that sounds, Amazing that sounds like just

2:03:20.280 --> 2:03:22.640
<v Speaker 1>What i'm looking. For just you, know look into like

2:03:22.720 --> 2:03:25.680
<v Speaker 1>what the full picture of it. Is and, again just

2:03:25.760 --> 2:03:28.200
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there is no full picture readily available

2:03:28.240 --> 2:03:30.680
<v Speaker 1>on the internet makes me feel Like i'm getting my

2:03:30.800 --> 2:03:34.560
<v Speaker 1>little Scam spidey senses. Tingling also a not so fun,

2:03:34.600 --> 2:03:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Fact Richard, bandler one of the, founders did go to

2:03:38.640 --> 2:03:40.960
<v Speaker 1>trial for the nineteen eighty six murder of a sex

2:03:41.000 --> 2:03:43.880
<v Speaker 1>worker in his, home but he was. Acquitted he said

2:03:43.880 --> 2:03:46.160
<v Speaker 1>it was another guy in his home that shot this

2:03:46.200 --> 2:03:46.560
<v Speaker 1>woman to.

2:03:46.640 --> 2:03:51.240
<v Speaker 4>Death so you, know just. Stop, yeah just a cool.

2:03:51.360 --> 2:03:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Character so ANYWAY i thought, pedophile but, YEAH i guess just.

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<v Speaker 4>Murderer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyway The healthline article will be LinkedIn On instagram

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<v Speaker 1>stories and our show, notes you know the.

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<v Speaker 2>Deal, yeah my Friend marcia said that she could see

2:04:08.120 --> 2:04:10.960
<v Speaker 2>me being susceptible to joining a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cult absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>No what she because of my love Of Soul cycle

2:04:16.560 --> 2:04:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and she's, LIKE i can see you getting into.

2:04:18.360 --> 2:04:19.880
<v Speaker 4>IT i, go, well, NO i Think i'd get out

2:04:19.920 --> 2:04:20.400
<v Speaker 4>before it got.

2:04:20.440 --> 2:04:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Scared if one person at Soul cycle said something that

2:04:23.320 --> 2:04:25.840
<v Speaker 1>went against something that you believe, in you would be,

2:04:25.920 --> 2:04:28.520
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i Love Soul cycle until fucking this person said

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<v Speaker 1>diet coca, shit and THEN i was. Out you, know

2:04:30.560 --> 2:04:34.440
<v Speaker 1>like you not that, frivolous but like you think for,

2:04:34.520 --> 2:04:37.400
<v Speaker 1>yourself and you would absolutely be out of a cult

2:04:37.880 --> 2:04:40.240
<v Speaker 1>the minute that they asked you to brand your. Vagina

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be, Like i'm, gone you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Yeah, Marcia I'LL dm her that and join.

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<v Speaker 2>Us next week we will be doing Truth embargo from

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<v Speaker 2>season twenty, five episode, two and Hopefully i'll get a

2:04:54.720 --> 2:04:57.320
<v Speaker 2>response From luigi's Lawyer, Karen.

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<v Speaker 1>And until, then thank you guys so much for listening

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