1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Cherry's here too, and we're just 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: batching it on this episode of Stuff you Should Know. Yeah, 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: uh So before we get going, my friend, we want 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: to alert people we've got a little something special at 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. Our former colleague who was 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: no longer with My Heart but dare I say, one 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: of the best dudes ever and one of our most 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: beloved colleagues, Man Guesh, had to condure he has is 11 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: doing his own little uh like he calls it his 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: own little podcast shingle, and he's making shows now and 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: he has a great new show that he's launched called 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: Obsessions Colan Wild Chocolate, hosted by Rowan Jacobson, And we're 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: gonna play a preview that at the end of the EPISO. So, 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: but we wanted to tell people what it was about, right, Yeah, 17 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty awesome. Like they kind of call it the 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones of chocolate, where basically these people who are 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: like really into chocolate, chocolate makers are like, yeah, all 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: this cocao that we're finding is really good and sounds 21 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: better than others. But we've heard legend that deep in 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the Amazon there's cocao that will knock your socks off 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: and they go to find it, and Man Guesh made 24 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: a podcast out of it. So it's really interesting stuff. 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: It's really well made. Man Guest is really good and 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing with podcasting, so congratulations to him 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: on his podcast company Kaleidoscope, and on Wild Chocolate too. 28 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: That's right, so check it out Obsessions, Wild Chocolate. It's 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: wherever you can get podcasts and stick around after listener 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: mail where we're gonna have a little preview of it. Okay, Chuck, 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: so we're back at it. Then that's right. A little 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: c a here. This one's probably rated at least PG 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: thirt I would say that, yeah, I mean it's not 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: rated are necessarily, but you know there's it's about bachelor 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: and bachelorette party. So I'm just gonna be talking about 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: some stuff you want You do you really want your 37 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: kid to learn about bachelor parties? No? I don't either. 38 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: It's a fair warning. And if you are in other 39 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: parts of the world and you're like a bachelor party, 40 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: what's that we're talking about a stag party those of 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: you in the UK, Ireland and Canada. In Australia, we're 42 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: talking about the Bucks party for that was that was Boston. 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, have you seen Kevin kin f himself? 44 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Uh no, I have not. We got recommended that from 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people after the sitcoms up. It's yeah, 46 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: it's good. That's why I picked it up too. I 47 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: mean I was familiar with her, aware of it, but yeah, 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: it's definitely definitely worth watching. Yeah right, I've only seen 49 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: the first episode and I'm like, this is this has 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: legs for sure? What does that have to do with 51 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: Bucks parties in Australia. It's set in Worcester and the 52 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: house from Boston, yes exactly. And a lead I don't 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: know the actor's name, but she, you know, from um 54 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: Ship's Creek, the daughter sister from Ship's Creek is an 55 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: amazing like Boston accent without overdoing it. Like she's really good. 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: So it's a good, good show. Chuck. Uh well, quickly then, 57 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: while we're seguing or diverting, I was just in Boston 58 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to shout out. I went up 59 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: there for a pavement show and from my hotel room. 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: I looked out and what was sitting there but the 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Wilber Theater. Yeah, our Boston Live Performance Home, right outside 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: my hotel window and right next door to the Whang 63 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: Theater where Pavement played, And I probably bumped into seven 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: different stuff you should know listeners cool who all came 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: up and chatted it up, sat right next to a 66 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: couple and promised them live showed freebees, which they need 67 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: to email me. By the way, if you're out there 68 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and listening, it's the only way could happen. We'll probably 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: be in Boston this year. Is a better than average 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: chance when you say, I would say so. So just 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: a big shout out to the Boston Nights because they're 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: always super supportive and nice. And I think my friend 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: from high school and his friends who were with us 74 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: were like, jeezus, chuck that famous and Nights No, not 75 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: at all, Like this is like this happens once every 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: few months, not seven times in a night. Sure, I 77 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: think the fact that it took place at a Pavement 78 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: show kind of skewed the um in population. Yeah, they 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: were probably on the lookout at any payment show I 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: might be there. Yeah, So back to the content, Yeah, 81 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: back to back to bachelor parties. What do they call 82 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: him in France? Oh, in France, they have a great 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: name for him, the entire Monte de vie de Gasson, 84 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: which means the burial of the life as a boy heavy, 85 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Which makes a lot of sense because bachelor parties in 86 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: particular started at a time like the late nineteenth century, 87 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: uh is when they really started to become what we 88 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: understand of them today. Um, at a time when, like 89 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: you probably were, there's a higher than likely chance that 90 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: you were going into marriage is a virgin, and so 91 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: this was exposing you for one last time. You're one 92 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: last opportunity to you know, um, how do I put 93 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: this man? If? So, I guess, but without actually doing 94 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: that more just like you know, seeing a naked woman 95 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: doing a strip tease or something like that, like this 96 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: was your chance to do that before you got married 97 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so back then it actually made 98 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: sense in a certain way, whereas today, because people are 99 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: getting married later and later, the bachelor party makes less 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: and less sense. But the same behavior from days of 101 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: your is expected. So there's this weird tense juxtaposition between 102 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: bachelor parties now and how people actually whether or not 103 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: they enjoy bachelor parties today, you know what I mean? Yeah, 104 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: And I mean I think we should just go ahead 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: and say I can speak for you. Neither one of 106 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 1: us are big on the traditional bachelor party. Uh, we're trying. 107 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: We're going to try not to yuck the yums and 108 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: get to judge. I went camping for my quote unquote 109 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: bachelor party. Uh that's uh. Never been into strip clubs 110 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: at all, Uh, much less for a bachelor party. Which 111 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: is it? Just it makes me uncomfortable just thinking about it. Well, supposedly, 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: Chuck like there's there was at least one ethnographic study. UM. Oh, 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: I can't find it right now. We'll come across it 114 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: later on. From two thousand sixteen. This uh, this ethnographic 115 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: study basically followed UM bachelor parties to Bitha and like 116 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: other places around Europe, and they interviewed UM like the 117 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: people who were there just kind of candidly, and most 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: of them were like, no, I really don't enjoy this 119 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: at all. I'm not having that much fun. Like the 120 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: time when we're hanging out back at the rented house 121 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: drinking together, that's fun, but like being put on stage 122 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: and you know, whipped by a stripper is not that fun. 123 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: It's kind of humiliating, and no, it's not really enjoyable, 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: but I feel like I have to go through it. 125 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: So that's the tension that I was talking about, where 126 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: it's like that kind of body raucous, you know, objectifying 127 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: behavior that again kind of like maybe made sense in 128 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: the fifties in a different time, it doesn't make sense today, 129 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: but people still do it, and so it makes people 130 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: deeply uncomfortable. Um as far as most I can't say 131 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: most days, as far as plenty of studies who have 132 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: actually looked at this thing and a lot of anecdotal 133 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: evidence to say, yeah, I'm a full belief that the 134 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: traditional hedonistic bachelor party thing is being driven still by 135 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: like a small minority of guys that are like, go 136 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: to do it, dude, that kind of guy. They are 137 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: called you're desperate already married friend. Those are the ones 138 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: that are trouble at a bachelor party. You have to 139 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: look out for. Those are the ones that push everybody 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: else to do dumb stuff that they wouldn't totally do 141 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: and that they'll later regret. As a matter of fact, 142 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: if you want to have a chill bachelor party. Do 143 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: not invite me desperate already married friends. No, not at all, 144 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: or hopefully if you're you know, get married a little 145 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: later in life, then then everyone is sort of a 146 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: little more on board with something chill. And that seems 147 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: to have um caused bachelor parties to evolve into you 148 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: know what they're becoming more and more today, which are 149 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: basically like men's retreats to barbecue and like hike and 150 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And there are definitely plenty that go 151 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: to Vegas or you know, go out of the country 152 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: or something like that and just party hard, but there's 153 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: a growing number of of ones that just do like 154 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: you said, like go camping, you know, just hang out 155 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: with your pals, which is ultimately what the points supposed 156 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: to be. The point of a bachelor party, isn't it 157 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: you umiliate the groom to be But that is a 158 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: huge kind of through thread, uh in a lot of them. 159 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: The point is to just like celebrate your time as 160 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: an individual. I saw I put so perfectly. It was 161 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: on a gay marriage website and they were talking about 162 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: whether you should throw a bachelor party for both grooms 163 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: or a combined one. And this website was saying one 164 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: for each because what they're doing is going into a 165 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: marriage and they're combining themselves. This is one of those 166 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: times when they can be celebrated as individuals separately, distinctly, 167 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what a bachelor party is supposed to 168 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: be about. It's celebrating this individual before they basically become 169 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: responsible and enter into a union with another person and 170 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: become a couple. That's that's ideally what the bachelor party 171 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: sentiment is supposed to be. That's right. Uh. And the 172 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: only time I will get super judge is if you 173 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: are one of those dudes that thinks it is okay 174 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: or you should like have sex with one last girl 175 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: before you get married. Make the worst decision you've ever made. 176 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: You are cheating on them, and you will cheat on 177 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: them again one day probably, and that is not right 178 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form. So again this is 179 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: anecdotal self reporting. But on George ta Kay's website, I 180 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: don't know what he was doing. He hosted like a 181 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: that was Jeffrey Tambor and George t Ka cross together? 182 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah or Hank? What was hankstand? Hank? Yeah? Um? So 183 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: On George t Kay's website, he had this this like 184 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: list of like people who wrote in and said, like, yeah, 185 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: I was at this bachelor party and the wedding ended 186 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: because the groom cheated on his fiance, like at the 187 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: bachelor party the night before the wedding, and the you know, 188 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: the fiance found out because her brothers there. That was 189 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: part of the bachelor party. Um. And so apparently there 190 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: have been again I didn't see like, you know, anything 191 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: out of like Rutgers or m I T that was 192 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: a study on this, but anecdotally, there have been marriages 193 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: that have ended before they started because just terrible decisions 194 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: were made at the bachelor party. That's right, And uh, 195 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: ladies were not forgetting about you. The bachelorette party is 196 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: a big thing. They also called them hind parties. Uh 197 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,599 Speaker 1: they called them early on, I think hind parties, but 198 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: they came about much later, generally between the seventies and 199 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: the nineties is when that kind of started. And we'll 200 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: touch on both as we go along. But first, and Livia, 201 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: God bless her. I feel bad for even putting her 202 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: through this, but she helped us put this one together 203 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: and did a really good job. And that she looked 204 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: at a lot of other sort of pre wedding traditions, 205 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: and you know, the bachelor and batchelrette parties are one thing, 206 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: but there's a long, long history across every culture you 207 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: can think of kind of since marriage was even a thing, 208 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: that there is some sort of pre day before or week. 209 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: But for rituals that different cultures partake in, yep, ritual bath, 210 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: the mikvah and Jewish tradition, ancient Greece, women used to 211 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: hang out and sacrifice things to the gods before the 212 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: day before. There was one in Sweden I thought was 213 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: pretty interesting. In seventeenth century Sweden. They celebrated the muck Verlaar, 214 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: which is virgin nights, so they would bathe and feast 215 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: and drink with their friends. And there was actually one 216 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: town in sixty nine of Uppsala that said no more, 217 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: like you're showing up so hungover on the wedding day, 218 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Like we can't do the muk vlaar here anymore. It's banned. 219 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: That's another thing too, like there are a few bad 220 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: ideas that have to do with marriage that are are 221 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: worse than having a bachelor and or bachelor at party 222 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: the night before the wedding. Not the time to it. 223 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: That's when you have your rehearsal dinners and stuff. Usually, right, 224 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like kind of chill and exciting, 225 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: not not partying like that the day the night before 226 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: the wedding. Like you have to be so bad at 227 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: thinking things through to actually do that that it's just 228 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: kind of mind boggling but also hilarious in a way. Uh, 229 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: there's one in the northeastern Scotland, I think in rural 230 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: Scotland that I think still happens. I'd love to hear 231 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: from our friends there. But they will drive it's called 232 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: the Blackening. They will get the bride and groom and 233 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: kind of fake kidnaped them. And you'll see that happens 234 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: a lot in a lot of these traditions. It's like 235 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: what we've got you now, and they will cover them 236 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: with disgusting sticky things, dog food, rotten eggs, does anything 237 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: that'll kind of stick to your body and humiliate you, 238 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: and they will drive you around in the back of 239 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: a truck basically around town. And they basically said there 240 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: are not many rules except that you're uncomfortable and embarrassed. Basically. 241 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: One thing I saw was that, um, this is like 242 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: a farming community, so that like manure doesn't actually work 243 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: because everybody's so used to the smell of manure that 244 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: if you smear it on somebody like whatever, it's not 245 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: they're not close to the coast, so they'll actually drive 246 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: to the coastal areas to get like fish guts and 247 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: stuff because those people do find the particularly disgusting and 248 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: offensive smelling. Wow. Yeah, it's kind of mean, but it 249 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: actually evolved out of a tradition of washing the bride's 250 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: feet and it ended up becoming bad in this little 251 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: part of Skyland. But yeah, it still goes on from 252 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: what I saw. So if you look at the US, uh, 253 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: in the United States, we're talking about, like you said, 254 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century when these things kind of became a thing. Uh. 255 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: There's a sociologist named Thomas Turnell read that did an 256 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: article with Life Science and basically said, you know, when 257 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: we became industrialized and we moved into the cities and 258 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: started working in factories, new rituals came about. Now that 259 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: you weren't in doing sort of the farming community rituals 260 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: where if you had kind of any sort of promotion 261 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: or anything to mark a rite of passage, people would 262 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: maybe an apprenticeship would end or something. You would take 263 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: people out and you would like to drink beer with them, 264 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: maybe played practical jokes on them, maybe tarn feather there 265 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: their jumpsuit for work or something like that. And this 266 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: is what this sociologist thinks sort of led to this 267 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: tradition of bachelor and bachelorette parties of getting the other 268 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: drinking a lot. Maybe some practical jokes will get to 269 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: those later, but those are still a thing apparently. Yeah, 270 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: which makes sense. I think it's a pretty good argument 271 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: because you have these these you know, new living situations, 272 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: but still some of those old surviving traditions, so you 273 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: have to come up with, you know, new customs around 274 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: those traditions because the old living situation isn't around anymore. 275 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: I totally buy that. I buy it too. Uh. And 276 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: Livia also found this really cool story that sort of 277 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: exposed a lot of um how the how the richies 278 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: lived in Gilded Age in New York. It was exposed 279 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: with something called the Awful Seely Dinner. And this was 280 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: the Seely family in New York and this was these 281 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: were relatives, I think, ancestors of P. T. Barnum, right, 282 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: the descendants of P. T. Barnum. Yeah, the grandson. What's 283 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: the difference. I always forget P. T. Barnum who came 284 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: before was their ancestor descendants, right, So Um isn't one 285 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: of your favorite movies, The Descendants it is, But I 286 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: also called the ancestor sometimes so Herbert Barnum seely uh 287 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: through this party for his brother Clinton. Um. Just I 288 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: guess eleven days before he was to be married, and 289 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: I guess did get married. And it was at a 290 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: restaurant called Sherry's. At a time before there was like 291 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: dining out was a thing, So this was really really expensive. Actually, 292 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: you know what, dining out was a thing. I looked 293 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: into this party a little bit more. But uh, if 294 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: you were really a leat, as you'll see, you like 295 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: a lot of privacy and you like to do some 296 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: like nasty things sometimes. So there was this big private 297 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: dining scene in New York at the time that was 298 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: a really really big deal. Okay, potato potato, But so 299 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: they were doing this private dining thing. Yeah, that actually 300 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense because they they had very 301 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: tight lipped wait staff help performers. When they were interviewed 302 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: with the cops, all these people were like, it is 303 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: not within our our social strata to inform on the 304 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: people who hired. We just can't. And from what I understand, 305 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: the cops were like, yeah, we we totally get it. 306 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: We don't have a case, but we totally get it. 307 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until Herbert Barnum Seeley told the cops 308 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: who some of the attendees were. The cops went and 309 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: interviewed these incredibly rich people and stuff started to come out, 310 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: and it was like, no, they actually did have a 311 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: woman who did like this, who jumped naked out of 312 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: a I guess a cream pie or something like that 313 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: and danced on the table. Her name was Little Egit. 314 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: She was kind of a famous dancer at the time. 315 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: But this is a time where like, as far as 316 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: society was concerned, you did not do this. This is 317 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: like finding out that, you know, the wealthy have eyes 318 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 1: wide shut parties. I think was was what it what 319 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: it was like, but you know, times a million, because 320 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: the the Victorian era was so genteel. Yeah, but here's 321 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: the thing, they totally did this, which is why they 322 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: had all those private dining events because they like to 323 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: do stuff like this. So they were tipped off, but 324 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: I think an agent of one of the dancers. The 325 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: cops were tipped off that there was, you know, lurid 326 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: things happening. So the cops show up and accidentally walk 327 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: in on um a bunch of dancers changing, like you know, 328 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: changing their outfits, and were embarrassed away basically away from 329 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: the premises, said we you know, didn't see anything, and 330 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: then the seelis it probably would have just kept quiet 331 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been for the Seelie's taking it back 332 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: to the city and saying, you know what, what you wanna, 333 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: we want these cops investigated, and so all of a sudden, 334 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: they're dirty laundry is being dragged out. And it was 335 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: quite the scandal of the New York court system because, 336 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: like you said, these people didn't this quote unquote low society, 337 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: didn't mix with the high society. And all of these 338 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: people were brought through to testify in court, and apparently 339 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: the people in court watching was everything from the high 340 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: society person looking to get dirt or laugh at their 341 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, uh, their comrades or whatever, to the to 342 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: the the guy on the street who was just looking 343 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: for warmth in the courtroom. And so they were all 344 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: kinds of people mixing in New York when you really 345 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: never saw this happening. And you know, the the dancers, 346 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: they had all their outfits rigged to either be snipped 347 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: off with scissors or for their stockings to drop, and 348 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: it was just for the time. Very lord stuff, big 349 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: time embarrassment. There's a lot of fun um contemporary contemporaneous articles. 350 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: There's one from the New Yorker that's really fun to 351 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: read about the Awful Seely Party. Uh. And just a 352 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: little quick side note about little egypt Um. She was 353 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: quite the business lady. Apparently she was a real estate 354 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: investor and died of very sadly died a couple of 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: years later gas asphxiation and apartment, but died with in 356 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: today's dollars, about a million bucks in the bank. Yeah, 357 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: so she had it going on. Yeah. And apparently she 358 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: was secretly married and her husband wouldn't claim her in public, 359 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: but when she died he came forward immediately. It was like, 360 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: that was my wife, that's my money. So um. The 361 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: upshot of the Awful Seely Dinners, it was called it 362 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: gave bachelor parties or bachelor dinners is what they were. 363 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: Called at the time kind of a bad name because 364 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: everybody had assumed that, yeah, there's some drinking and you know, 365 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: they smoked maybe an extra cigar or something like that. 366 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: This really exposed them, uh and and just just gave 367 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: him bad reputation, it turns out, for like twenty five 368 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: years tops, because no less than Emily Post in her 369 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: book Etiquette in Society and Business, in Politics and at Home, 370 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: wrote that the bachelor dinner is popularly supposed to have 371 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: been a frightful orgy, but in reality it was a 372 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: sheep in wolf's clothing. So her point was less than 373 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: a quarter century after this awful Sealy dinner when it 374 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: comes out that the rich at their bachelor parties higher 375 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: like couples to perform sex shows in the middle of dinner. 376 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: Um By by this time, Emily posted saying, no, that 377 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: was all just hysterical. They're actually very staid events. Yeah, 378 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: and she really I don't know if she didn't know 379 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: what she's talking about, That's what I think. Probably, So 380 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: I was just didn't know if she was trying to 381 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: just make things seem a little more upstanding than they were. 382 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, she probably just didn't even know what was 383 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: really going on, because Uh, I think it was that 384 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: very same time period. There was a counterclaim, which I 385 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: just called the reality of it all. Uh. There was 386 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: an oral history gathered by the w p A, which 387 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: is a Rhode Island French Canadian of a Rhode Island 388 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: French Canadian tech stile worker named Henry Boucher, who described 389 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: in first person his own stag party, and it was 390 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: a raucous affair. Basically, they had a priest there that 391 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: gave a speech about the duties of a married man 392 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: and gave a toast. But then they basically said he 393 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: had a good you know, the good sense to get 394 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: out of there really quickly. Uh. And we were really 395 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: relieved because you know, income the the strip tease acts 396 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and we didn't want the priest here. 397 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: So Emily Post had it all wrong. That's that's my 398 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: take that she was just like, this isn't possible. My 399 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: my brain won't comprehend what's actually going on at these 400 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: bachelor dinners. So um, at the very least by the 401 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: nineteenth late nineteenth century into the twenties, the bachelor party 402 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: is really starting to evolve and take shape and reflect 403 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: what we're seeing today. Right, and I say, something else 404 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: that's evolving and taking shape is a ad break. Very nice, okay, Chuck. 405 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: So the whole time that the bachelor party is evolving, 406 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: starting in the late nineteenth century, there wasn't really anything 407 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: that was um, what's the word I'm looking for, chunk, 408 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: i't know. The bride didn't have anything quite similar to 409 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: the bachelor party analogus, yes, thank you, um, but there 410 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: was like a bridal shower. Those have been around since 411 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: from what I saw, sixteenth century Belgium, and the origin 412 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: story for those is really sweet. There was a wealthy 413 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: girl who all in love with a poor I saw 414 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: a miller's son, um, and her father was like, you 415 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: can't marry him, and if you try to proceed, I'm 416 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm keeping your dowry and you guys will be broke, 417 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: and so don't even try it. She said, I don't care, father, 418 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: I'm marrying him anyway. And they got married anyway, and 419 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: the town found out about this and was so moved 420 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: by their love that they actually brought gifts to get 421 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: This couple started in life too in in lieu of 422 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: the dowry that I think the father finally relented him 423 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: was like here fine, here's the dowry too. But they 424 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: say that that's the origin story of the bridle shower, 425 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: which was the bride and her friends and her future 426 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: in laws and her mom and her future mother in law. Um, 427 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: kind of hanging out having a very nice, um tasteful 428 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: like luncheon or brunch and then getting you know, presents 429 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: that were usually of like a household nature, that's right. Uh. 430 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: And in the twentieth century, early twentieth century and Britain, 431 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: women there started celebrating, uh, what was called ribbon girl traditions, 432 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: and they would decorate the bride with ribbons and hearts 433 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: and kitchen utensils and stuff like that, because of course 434 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: this is a time where they're like get ready for 435 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: a life of you know, domestic servitude, because that's what's 436 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: coming your way. And yeah, and they would parade her 437 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: around on the factory floor where she worked. Um. And 438 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: then this sort of evolved over time, and then by 439 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties is especially into the seventies, is when women, 440 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: especially in the US, started saying, hey, you know, maybe 441 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: these showers were throwing should be a little bit more 442 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: like what these guys are doing, and um, this is 443 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: kind of pre bacherette party still, but they would have 444 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: what they would call a personal shower where all of 445 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're not getting a toaster or a spatula, 446 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: but you might get you know, like a sex toy 447 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: or something fun like that, right, and the future mother 448 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: in law was typically not invited to that, typically unless 449 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: you know she's fun and as a open mind. Sure, 450 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: so that's the sixties, I guess I'm taking it as 451 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: the late sixties. Within three decades, um, the early nineties, 452 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: So within just a couple of decades actually, yeah, Um, 453 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: it evolved at least in the UK into him parties, 454 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: which became like boozy, raucous body events where the bachelor 455 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: atte party that you might see at a club today 456 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: really kind of finds its route from what I understand 457 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: in the UK in the early nineties, Um, and there's 458 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: I think they're still called him parties today, and then 459 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: in the United States, Chuck. They attribute the rise of 460 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: bachelorette parties not necessarily from people going over the UK 461 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: for hem parties and coming back and saying like we 462 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: gotta try this, but almost evolving independently thanks to the 463 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: arrival of the Chippendale's review in Los Angeles in nine 464 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: that that apparently kicked off the bachelorette industry, bachelorette party industry. 465 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: I can only think of Chris Farley when I hear 466 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: the word Shippendale's and Patrick Swayze, Yeah, what a great 467 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: bit um And that look that Patrick Sayzy has where 468 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: he's just like, I can't compete with this when he's 469 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: watching Chris Farley, it was just priceless. I would like 470 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: to equally shame the bachelorette parties because there are two 471 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: words of advice. If you see a big, raucous bachelor 472 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: party coming your way in a bar or a club, 473 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: run the other way. If you see a bachelorette party 474 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: headed your way at a club or a bar, run 475 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: the other way. For you don't want to be swept 476 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: up into any of these shenanigans. Uh. And I have 477 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: unwittingly somehow been swept up in bachelorette party shenanigans more 478 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: than once in my life because a lot of yeah, 479 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: a lot of times there's a bacheltte parties will have 480 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: a kind of um body scavenger hunt kind of thing 481 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: where they're like, but they're all dares, like the bride 482 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: has to go do whatever to whoever. And I've been 483 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: that guy a couple of times somehow where they're like, 484 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: she wants to do uh uh, I don't even know. 485 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: It's just like a shot out of your belly button 486 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: or something dumb. It wasn't that, but just it's it's 487 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: always stuff like that. Take a shot from a stranger's beard. 488 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: I think I still have a bachelor at in my 489 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: beard somewhere. Uh. There might be like whip cream involved. 490 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: Just just go away. You don't want to be a 491 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: part of any of this stuff. It's true. At least 492 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be. It's just embarrassing for me. 493 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: You'll put a penis shaped straw in your mouth faster 494 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: than you can say. You open your mouth to say, 495 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and there it goes. So Um chipping 496 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: Dale show up in nineteen The word bachelorette party is 497 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: um coined in a New York Times article. Um, and 498 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: they're just talking basically about what you might think of 499 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: is more of like a spa weekend today, not at 500 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: the bachelor atte party like you just described. Um. That 501 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't come along until about the eighties or the nineties, 502 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why, at least, I should say, 503 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: in the United States, definitely in the early nineties. In 504 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: the UK, some people say, no, it still wasn't even 505 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: a thing in the early nineties in the US. But 506 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why they became bodier and body 507 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: or and more and more extravagant and more and more 508 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: out and proud. Basically proud is the wrong word, but 509 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: you understand what I mean is because people started getting 510 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: married later and later, and so they didn't have to 511 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: go to their parents and be like, I need five 512 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to throw this party that you would not 513 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: want me to have ever in a million years. They 514 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: had their own money and their friends had their own 515 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: money because they weren't. They weren't getting married at twenty 516 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: one and then starting their professional life. They've been working 517 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: for a decade already before. Now they're going to get hitched. 518 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: And that changed everything. That was the big sea change 519 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: for bachelor parties that in my opinion, made them no 520 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: longer make sense in that context any longer, because peop 521 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: we weren't getting married basically as children. They were getting 522 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: married as grown adults now, and so it doesn't make 523 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: sense to go back and behave like children the you know, 524 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: a few days before you get married. That's that's what 525 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, I'm with you. Um. And also as 526 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: that sort of was in lock step with the rise 527 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: of a party industry, that kind of you know, marched 528 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: in lockstep with it. So people started having more money 529 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: because they were getting married later, and all of a 530 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: sudden there was this industry surrounding it where you know, 531 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: you just have to call a company if you want to. 532 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: You can also play in your own stuff, of course, 533 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: and people still do that, but I mean Lyda gave 534 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: one example. There was a scholar UH named Diane Tye 535 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: who interviewed and of course this is all again that 536 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: the Thankfully they don't do a lot of studies, like 537 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: real studies on this stuff, but they did some. She 538 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: did some interviews with UM, middle class Eastern Canadian middle 539 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: class white women in the mid nineties, and then interviewed 540 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: the same type of people UH in two thousand, seventeen 541 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: and eighteen. And the big difference was in the mid 542 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: nineties they were all just sort of planning the stuff 543 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: from scratch, and by the time the two thousand tents 544 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: came along, you would call a company up and there 545 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: would be a script basically where you drink these you know, 546 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: uh colored sugary drinks, and there was a penis cake 547 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: and uh games, you know, pin the pin the penis 548 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: on the Playboy, and there might be mail strippers and 549 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: just a lot of phallic stuff happening. Yeah, but you know, 550 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: it's like it's one thing to plan all that from scratch, 551 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: Like that is your best friend who did that for you? 552 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: And I think for your best friend to just like 553 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: email a company and be like I need and I 554 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: need this on this night and we'll show up and 555 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: then that's it. You know, the soul's taken out of 556 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit. Oh No, I totally agree, because 557 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: any any party you throw for someone should have that 558 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: personal planning touch, I think, you know. Yeah, So hats 559 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: off to the maids of honor from the early nineties. 560 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: Out out to them, right, that's right. Uh, If you 561 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: do any kind of research on bachelor and bachelotte parties, 562 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: you will find a lot of articles kind of starting 563 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: in the late nineties everywhere from like Vice to maxim 564 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: to the New York Times. So they and they're all 565 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: written a little mournfully and sadly where where they're saying, like, 566 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: you know, the old days of the wild hedonistic bachelor 567 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: parties are going the way of the dodo in These days, 568 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: guys just want to go on a fly fishing trip 569 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: and ladies just want a nice spa weekend with some 570 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: good wine and prosecco. Uh. And isn't it a shame 571 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: almost that that guys aren't going out and trying to 572 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: have sex with one more lady before their wedding day? Right, 573 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: They're very annoying to read to me. Yeah, no, it's 574 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: true for sure, And like they always like interview somebody 575 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: who's like, what's going on? This terrible? You know exactly. 576 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: But the thing is, from from all appearances, the bachelor 577 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: party is not actually going away anytime soon, the rowdy, 578 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: raucous bachelor and bachelor atte parties again. Yes, more and 579 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: more people are coming up with alternatives that suit them 580 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: and their friends and their you know, demeanors much more. 581 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: They're just like, I don't need to be publicly humiliated 582 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: because this is some sort of right of passage that 583 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, my dad went through. My older brother, who cares. 584 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that anymore. And I think 585 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: that that sentiment has really kind of freed people quite 586 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: a bit, but they're still I would say the vast 587 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: majority of a bachelor and bachelorrette parties are of the 588 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: very stereotypical kind that you imagine. Yeah, and you know what, 589 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: I haven't even been to many of those uh my 590 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: dude friends. I feel like a few of them had those, 591 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: and I was out of town when they got married, 592 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: so I was just around for the wedding. But I 593 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: went to one of them, of one of my good 594 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: friends who had kind of a stereotypical I mean there 595 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: were no like sex acts, but you know, there were 596 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: strip clubs and just to auchery, and I was so like, 597 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff just makes me. It's not even uncomfortable, 598 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: but nervous, like, oh, I just I've seen too many 599 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: movies and we'll get to the movies in a second, 600 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: or just I don't know, just bad luck coming that. 601 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: I just don't want to be super involved. And these 602 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: are like close friends sometimes and so for for that one, 603 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: I was the uh d' not putting myself up as 604 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: some like saint or anything at all, but I just 605 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: don't want to be involved in that level of of 606 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: hard partying for the night. Um, and I was the driver. 607 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: We rented a van and I sober drove everyone around, 608 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: drove into all the places. We saw Snoop dog at 609 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,399 Speaker 1: a strip club in Atlanta, which was kind of fine. Uh, 610 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: and he remarked that we all had sideburns. This was 611 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: the nineties after all, so Snoop Dogg recognized us. He was, well, 612 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: i'll tell you what he said later. Uh in private. 613 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: But uh. As soon as I got them back to 614 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: the rented hotel and everyone was, you know, going to 615 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: be in one place, I said good night and I left. 616 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're like, okay, you're all safe, goodbye things. 617 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: That was it. And I heard the stories later and 618 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: I was like, boy, am I glad I left? Right? 619 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: And these are people that I love and I'm not 620 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: judging them, but it's just never been my scene. I'm 621 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: too nervous about that kind of thing. Yeah, but again, 622 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: I think it's really cool that younger people today and 623 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm younger means I guess people in their thirties, even 624 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: as far as we're concerned chuck um like that, they 625 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: are comfortable saying I don't really want to do that. Everybody, 626 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: do we have to do that, and everybody else is saying, no, 627 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: we don't have to do that. Let's figure something else out, 628 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: you know. Not. And again, if you're really really into 629 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: bachelor parties and you're so psyched that your best friend 630 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: is going to throw you just a rager of a 631 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: bachelor party, man, hats off to you. Like, I don't 632 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: think anything we're saying is meant to like like you said, 633 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,479 Speaker 1: yuck that yung. I just think that there's there's people 634 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: are like, okay, cool, you know, let's do something different instead, 635 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: and they feel comfortable doing that because it shows that 636 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: America and the West is growing up. Let's take a break. Okay, 637 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Stop. All right, we promised talk 638 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: of movies. You can't talk about bachelor bachelorette parties without 639 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: talking about movies, because there are movies called bachelor Party. 640 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: There was one called The Bachelor Party from seven. I 641 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: want to see this movie. I kind of do too. 642 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: I was faced on an old stage. I'm sorry, TV play, 643 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: but uh, this is sort of one of those things 644 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: where goodness wins in the end because the newlywed, uh, 645 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, inevitably, it's revealed that his his home life 646 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: is secure, quiet home life is much better then his 647 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: playboy friends, who kind of plans this evening right, and 648 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: the potential love interest is played by Mortisia Adams. Okay, 649 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: Caroline Jones, I think was her name. I don't know 650 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: if I've ever seen her, not in her Mortia get up. 651 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: It's it's odd. You can tell it's her if you 652 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: know that it's her, but it's just, you know, it 653 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: just doesn't quite look like her. Um. And then there's 654 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: like the hilarious typical boomer humor of How to Murder 655 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: Your Wife, a n Jack Lemon movie, who who figures 656 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: out that he married a a not great woman who 657 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: was the person who jumped out of his friend's cake 658 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: at the bachelor party the night before, which The Hangover 659 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: totally stole. Yeah, it was married, Heather Graham. Sure, yeah, 660 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if we should jump forward to The 661 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: Hangover yet because that was just such a monumental movie 662 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: as far as the bachelor party genre goes Chuck that, 663 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: I want to give it it's do. Yeah. Yeah, we'll 664 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: wait on the uh because we have to parkt a 665 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: bachelor party with Tom Hanks, who Olivia points out, like 666 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: if you if you only know, sort of today's Tom 667 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: Hanks and you haven't people in the airport to get 668 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: away from his wife. Yeah, exactly. Uh, this is very 669 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: off brand for him, um, but on brand for him back. Well, 670 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: I'm not on brand. But you know, he did a 671 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: lot of kind of uh different kind of comedies earlier 672 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: in his career. And I used to love the movie 673 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: Bachelor Party. I thought it was so funny. Uh looking 674 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: back on it now, it is kind of an I mean, 675 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: it's still funny in a lot of ways, but it 676 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: also has you know, transphobia and uh casual racism here 677 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: and there, and of course women are sexually objectified through 678 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: the whole thing. There's a donkey that they almost get 679 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 1: to have sex with a woman, but it's it's sort 680 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: of a red heron because the donkey dies of a 681 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: drug overdose before it couldn't happen. But I still love 682 00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: Bachelor Party. I'm just I haven't seen it in a 683 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: long time, but that was one of my movies in college. 684 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: Very Bad Things was a dark comedy where there was 685 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: the accidental killing of a sex worker. That was such 686 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: a terrible movie. I saw it back then. It was 687 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: it wasn't good at all. No, and not like the 688 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: acting is bad or the direction, but it's like just 689 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: the concept of it. It was meant to be funny 690 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: and it wasn't like it really missed the mark and 691 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: just me, the whole thing just terrible. Totally. It was 692 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: I'm like in my early twenties and I'm like, this 693 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: is reprehensible. Yeah, you know. Uh, The Hangover finally came 694 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: along two thousand nine, which took the place of Bachelor Party. 695 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: I think it's sort of the quintessential, definitely bachelor party movie. 696 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: And I'm still on record as thinking the first Hangover 697 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 1: it was a very very funny movie. Okay, you didn't 698 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: like it, right, I think we talked about this before. 699 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: Not really. I mean, it's fine if I'm not gonna 700 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: try to detract from mean, I know, it's like one 701 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 1: of the most successful movies of all time. Yeah, I 702 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: thought it was very fun me. I thought Zach Gallafanakis 703 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: was great and uh, what's his name, Mike Tyson? No, well, 704 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: I thought Ed Helms was great, and I thought Kenjong 705 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: it was very very funny, and I just I thought 706 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,280 Speaker 1: it was very funny and the and the sequel is terrible. 707 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: Wasn't the one in Thailand. Yeah, it wasn't good at all. 708 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: I did not think Bradley Cooper was very good in 709 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: the Hangover though he didn't have a good role written 710 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: for him. He had play the straight man for everybody else. 711 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: And of the jerk. Yeah. Yeah, but I love Zack 712 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: and Ed and Ken John. I thought they were very funny. Yeah. 713 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: What about Bride'smaids? Have you seen that? I have not 714 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: seen that one. Oh, Bridesmaids is great. Yeah, it is 715 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: really really funny. Yeah, I've heard nothing, but yeah, you 716 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: should check out Bridemaids Kristen Wig. Just the plain scene 717 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: with Kristen Wig is worth the admission price alone. Yeah. 718 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: That one came out in two thousand and eleven, and 719 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 1: there was like this kind of grassroots um a pro 720 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: feminist social media movement around it saying like, go see it. 721 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: It's like I saw it described as like a um 722 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: like I can't remember the wording they used, but basically, 723 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: if you're a feminist or you're for women's rights, you 724 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: have to go see that movie. Basically that it was 725 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: like that groundbreaking and monumental, and it basically said Okay, 726 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: women can have the same kind of movies as men. Yeah, like, 727 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, the women's version of The Hangover in a 728 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: lot of ways, at least as far as like genre 729 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: stuff goes, I think it was more well written than 730 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: The Hangover for sure. Yeah, it was funny. And then 731 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: there was a movie that I don't know how I 732 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: never heard of, this movie from seventeen called rough Night, 733 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: and it was had Scarlett Johansson and a lot of 734 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: Glazer and Zoe Kravitz and Kate McKinnon and Jillian Bell 735 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: like huge cast. Never even heard of this movie. But 736 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a bachelorette party that goes wrong, 737 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: sort of like very bad things. But it wasn't critically 738 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: reviewed very well, but the filmmakers great, uh, because she 739 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: does that along with her husband does that TV show Hacks, 740 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: which is really really good. Oh yeah, so maybe the 741 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: movie just missed the mark or maybe you know, I 742 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: need to see it and judge it for itself. But 743 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: not well reviewed. Okay, what else? That's it. That's all 744 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: the movies I got. Okay, so um we I think 745 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: we've talked quite a bit about the fact that humiliating 746 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: the brider groom is like a thing, and part of 747 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: that is kidnapping them so it's not just humiliation, it's 748 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: domination too, and that typically comes through in um the 749 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: idea that that the bride or the groom is kidnapped 750 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: at some point they're taking against their will and they 751 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: don't have any say in the planning, like this is 752 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: done for them but also done to them. Yeah, that's 753 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine being scarier than going to a bachelor 754 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: party that was planned without my knowledge. Right. So apparently 755 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: in Australia, their bucks parties, all of them start with 756 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: a kidnapping, and like a serious kidnapping, so much so 757 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: that I saw an article about you know, um imaginative 758 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,760 Speaker 1: ways to kidnap the groom to be and they were saying, 759 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: do not do it on the street in broad daylight 760 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: like a vand because the cops will be called. But 761 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: apparently that's how how seriously they take it that they 762 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: need to actually tell people not to do that. They're like, 763 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: how else you supposed to kidnap someone? Right? Uh? Yeah, 764 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: And those can get out of hand with um. This 765 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: is when the practical jokes come and play. There was 766 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: one account from a journalist David Boyer and his book 767 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: Bachelor Party Confidential, where and this is so wrong and 768 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: mean where these friends quote unquote friends, um got this 769 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: groom so drunk that he passed out and then they 770 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: had his leg put in a full cast, uh and 771 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: told him that he broke it and did not tell 772 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: him until after his honeymoon. Yes, like not to not 773 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: like the night before the wedding or even after the wedding. 774 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: After the honeymoon, they finally told him that his leg 775 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: wasn't actually broken into Not funny. I think it's funny. 776 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it's hilarious up until like the wedding and 777 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: then you tell him and he's just watched. He's just 778 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: washed over with relief, and that's hilarious to not tell 779 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: him before the wedding, so he's up on crutches that 780 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: he doesn't need. And then the honeymoon is the real clincher. 781 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 1: I think then they it just that was just mean, Yeah, 782 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: your expensive honeymoon. For sure, you can't go swimming in Fiji, right, Uh? 783 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: I thought, great conception, poor execution. Yeah, like day before 784 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,359 Speaker 1: the wedding, they I'll take the hammer out and break 785 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: the cast up. Yeah, that's a fun that's a fun scene. 786 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,040 Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's wrap it up with a little 787 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: bit on money. Uh, these things are quite expensive, or 788 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,720 Speaker 1: can be quite expensive these days. There was a survey 789 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: uh by Savings dot com, and we should point out 790 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: that out of the five people they surveyed, they made 791 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,960 Speaker 1: um of them made over a hundred grand years, so 792 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: these are well funded people. But they said the average 793 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: costs for a man's bachelor party is about fifteen hundred 794 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: bucks and a bacherette party was about nine hundred and 795 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: said it was uh like a weekend event in sixties. 796 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,560 Speaker 1: Six percent it was a destination thing. Scent was international. 797 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: So these things have gotten really expensive. And I think 798 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: they interviewed about half the people very quietly said Hey, 799 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gotten a little too expensive and it's 800 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: gotten a little out of hand, but I felt like 801 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: I had to do it. I read that this was 802 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: um not fully but largely attributable to the rise of Instagram. Uh. 803 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,319 Speaker 1: People are now trying to like, like their lives just 804 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: look so amazing, you know, and like the bachelorrette and 805 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: bachelor party is such a big part of like the 806 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: life at that age that that was. That's definitely something 807 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,720 Speaker 1: they spend money on just Instagram. It basically I'm gonna 808 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: start once a week, I should just start posting pictures 809 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: of my bear beer belly. Okay, just to fight that 810 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: whole notion that you know what I mean, what filter 811 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,399 Speaker 1: will you use? There is no filter? Oh my god, Chuck, 812 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: that hasn't been invented yet. You've gone mad. Just I'm 813 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to Chuck the podcaster for some disgusting photos 814 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: of me. Yeah right, doing hearth hands, sunset over your 815 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,520 Speaker 1: beer over my belly pledge. And that's my attempt to 816 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: make the world a better place. I think that's a 817 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,319 Speaker 1: great idea, Chuck. I support that. I will like every 818 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,760 Speaker 1: single one of those posts. You're gonna hurt my stomach 819 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: for sure. Uh you got anything else? No, thankfully. Now Okay, 820 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,839 Speaker 1: that's it for Bachelor and Bachelor at parties. I'm sure 821 00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: we could go on. There's more details, but you know, 822 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: just go to a Bachelor bachelorrette part and see what 823 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: you think. And since I said that, it's time for 824 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,520 Speaker 1: listener mail. Uh yeah, but before the listener mail, another 825 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: reminder that after we read this, you can check out 826 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,439 Speaker 1: a preview of Obsessions Wild Chocolate, the great new show 827 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: from our old friend Manesh. Excellent. I'm gonna call this. 828 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh and By the way, we need to shout out 829 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: another listener mail real quick. We heard from Diarrhea Planet. 830 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,479 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did you see that email? No, I didn't 831 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,520 Speaker 1: see that. I gotta go check. Yep. We got an 832 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: email from them and they said, hey, guys, we heard 833 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 1: that you were talking about us again. Please and I'm 834 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,600 Speaker 1: sure you've heard that we have a reunion show coming 835 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: up in Nashville. And then they said, if it sweetens 836 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: the pot, you guys are our guests for the nights 837 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: waituh and I really want to go, but it's in 838 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: the two days of Thanksgiving week and Nashville and that's 839 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,399 Speaker 1: just a tall order diarrhea Planet to uh to talk 840 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,080 Speaker 1: my family into stay and like, Hey, I'm gonna leave 841 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week for a night because see diarrhea Planet right 842 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: at he's understanding, but that may draw that may be 843 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,799 Speaker 1: where the line is drawn. Yes, but regardless whether we 844 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: make it or not, that was very very kind of 845 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,239 Speaker 1: Diarrhea Planet to offer. What I want them to do 846 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: is come to Atlanta and do it another show, right, 847 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: because you like chomping on a cigar, You're like, you 848 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: come to make Yeah, come to me baby, all right. 849 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna call this. Thanks for the company. Hey guys, 850 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: been listening stuff. You should know my drive to work 851 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 1: For about three years. An old coworker introduced me to 852 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: the show and I would look forward to our discussions 853 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,239 Speaker 1: on each episode every morning of our coffee. Recently had 854 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: a baby girl, and my husband and I agreed, uh, 855 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: that it was best that I stay home for a 856 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: little while. After about four months in, I noticed I 857 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: was showing some signs of postpartum depression and it hit 858 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,800 Speaker 1: me one morning but that what I really just missed 859 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: was those morning chats in the office and the freak cofee. 860 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,799 Speaker 1: So I started an episode with you guys and began 861 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: deep cleaning our home. Decluttering and organizing has always been 862 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: something that made me feel better, and every day I 863 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: continue to tune in and clean during naps, uh presumably 864 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: your baby's naps, because that would be amazingly efficient if 865 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 1: you can clean right. I now have those same discussions 866 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,840 Speaker 1: with my husband when he gets home from work, and 867 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,600 Speaker 1: I really just want to say thanks for the company, 868 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: the memories and the new ones to come. And that 869 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: is from Anonymous. Great thank you Anonymous. H. That was 870 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: a wonderful email and I'm glad we could feel that 871 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,320 Speaker 1: little hole for you, right, Chuck totally. And if you 872 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: want to let us know about something nice we did 873 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,200 Speaker 1: for you and we didn't even realize we did. We 874 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,719 Speaker 1: love hearing that stuff. You can send it to us 875 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: in an email to stuff podcast at iHeart radio dot com. 876 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,240 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of I Heart Radio. 877 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,839 Speaker 1: For more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 878 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 879 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm in the co pilot seat of the small Cessna 880 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: plane and we're circling in the Bolivian Amazon. Beside me, 881 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: pilot sweating because we're looking for a place to land 882 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,280 Speaker 1: and we can't find one. The weather was bad and 883 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,640 Speaker 1: and the pilot was nervous, and it was it was 884 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 1: quite exciting behind me. Is this guy just been a 885 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: day ago? This German caccau hunter named Volker Lahman. Volker 886 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,360 Speaker 1: looks a bit like the German director Werner Herzog. Sounds 887 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,879 Speaker 1: like him too. The more dangerous or tricky the situation 888 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: dance with the Kalmar I get. It's two thousand ten, 889 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: and Folker's letting me tag along. If you searches for 890 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,680 Speaker 1: a holy Grail wild cocoo, the tree that gives us chocolate. 891 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: Cocao's native to the Amazon, and now it's farmed all 892 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,439 Speaker 1: over the tropics, mostly in Africa. A few years before 893 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: our trip, Focus dumbled upon an incredible variety of wild 894 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,040 Speaker 1: cocao in Bolivia and he turned it into this mind 895 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: blowing chocolate. So now there's a gold rush for these 896 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 1: magic beans. And Volker's hope is to say, one step ahead. 897 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: There's an indigenous group in the forest called the eurocare 898 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: Rumor has it they have a ton of wildcata cell 899 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: So the plan is fly in, find a landing strip, 900 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,839 Speaker 1: take a dugout canoe to the Eurokara village, strike a deal. 901 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,640 Speaker 1: Below us, the jungle looks otherworldly. The whole thing is steaming, 902 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,279 Speaker 1: miss rising to form these immense thunderheads, and the thunderheads 903 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: are dropping ropes black rain back to the forest. At 904 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: one point we punched through a storm and water comes 905 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: spitting through the vents of the plain. I shoot a 906 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: glance of the pilot, like what, but he just waves 907 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,439 Speaker 1: me off. It's getting hard to tell what to worry 908 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: about and what not to worry about. For that, all 909 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,240 Speaker 1: I can do is counting vulgar because he's been navigating 910 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,840 Speaker 1: the Amazon for twenty years. This part of Olivia is 911 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: all rainforests and grasslands. It's also a major cocaine flyaway. 912 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: The rivers are dotted with these homemade landing strips and 913 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,399 Speaker 1: small planes swoop in, pick up the drugs, and head 914 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: for Brazil. Those landing strips are super convenient if you 915 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,799 Speaker 1: need to get into the deep woods quickly, which we do, 916 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: but it's also super dangerous. Hundreds of people get shot 917 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: in the Amazon every year for all sorts of reasons. 918 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: Just being an environmental activist is enough, but stumbling upon 919 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,799 Speaker 1: a cocaine lab that's one of the surest ways to 920 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: make it happen. But when you need a landing strip, 921 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,440 Speaker 1: you need a landing strip. The problem is that is 922 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,040 Speaker 1: the rainy season and everything is flooded. The rivers have 923 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: risen like thirty feet, the trees are in standing water, 924 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: the ground is gleaming like a mirror. At last, there's 925 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,759 Speaker 1: a strip near a small cabin on the river, but 926 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,440 Speaker 1: it's really short. The rain swamped part of the landing strip, 927 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,640 Speaker 1: and the landing strip was homemade. No, it's not official 928 00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,239 Speaker 1: landing strip. The pilot swoops down to get a closer look, 929 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: and he doesn't like what he sees, and neither do I. 930 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,760 Speaker 1: He pulls back up and circles the area looking for alternatives. 931 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,279 Speaker 1: There are no alternatives. The pilot keeps circling back to 932 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: that original strip. I think he's trying to psych himself up. 933 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: And for all I know, we're running well on fuel. 934 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: Get voltas still sitting there like another day in the park, 935 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: and that is making me more nervous because I can 936 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: tell that his appetite for risk is a lot higher 937 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: than that. And then the pilot banks the plain that strip. 938 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: For a second, I think, well, this must be another 939 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,360 Speaker 1: reconnaissance run, because nobody would. Oh no, he's going for 940 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: it right now. The ground is rising in front of 941 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,919 Speaker 1: us fast, so I grabbed the handle above the door 942 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 1: and tucked my head and grace and we hit actually 943 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,120 Speaker 1: hits the wrong word. It's super soft thanks to all 944 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: that spongey ground. So we break hard and slammed with 945 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:38,480 Speaker 1: stopped spraying puddles, and I'm like, we made it. So 946 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: I grabbed my back and hop out vulcans behind me 947 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,680 Speaker 1: and it's like, hello Amazon, it's a cathedral. When you're 948 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: on the ground, there's these massive trees that are dripping 949 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: thick vines. There's flocks of actual parrots screeching through the canopy. 950 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: And then from that little cabin off ahead, four guys 951 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,120 Speaker 1: emerge and they're holding rifles. There were like one guy coming, 952 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,760 Speaker 1: and then the second, and the third and the fourth, 953 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: and then they were surrounding us. And I was looking 954 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,759 Speaker 1: at the pilot and he said, I have to leave 955 00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: because of the weather, and you know, nobody said anything, 956 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: and so he turned around this plane and off he 957 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,879 Speaker 1: off he went. And then I realized, oh, we are 958 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,799 Speaker 1: in the middle of some people we don't know. I 959 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,360 Speaker 1: was nervous. I am trying not to make any fast 960 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,040 Speaker 1: moves because these guys are twitchy, and everything they say 961 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: confirms my worst fears. They're watching this place for their boss, 962 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 1: who's a Columbian man, and we've just landed on his 963 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,400 Speaker 1: private runway without permission. And I've been in the Amazon 964 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,839 Speaker 1: for all five minutes, and I'm starting to wonder if 965 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,280 Speaker 1: maybe I'm not really cut out for this cacall anything. 966 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: And all I can do is look over Vulgar and think, 967 00:55:53,280 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: I hope you got this collide us soope, and I 968 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:05,640 Speaker 1: heart podcast. This is obsessions wild Chocolate. I'm rolland Jacobson. 969 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: Chapter one, The Hunt