WEBVTT - Draft Show: Filling A WR Void? 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.520 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:22.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:27.320 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for insider 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.920 news and drafted analysis from deep within the confines of 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:36.400 Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Smith running back 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:42.280 from and now your hosts, David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:49.400 and Kyle humans. We are five weeks, thirty five days 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:54.040 supposedly until the NFL Draft, which was originally going to 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.880 be in Las Vegas, Nevada. I can't even say that 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.400 anymore because things change over the course of the last 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.920 couple of weeks, and now now we look forward to 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.920 the draft, still doing the same dates, but it might 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:12.400 look a lot more condensed, to say the least, because 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.200 of the coronavirus and things going on that are out 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.240 of the NFL's control. But we are still excited to 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.839 give you some hot draft takes here on the Dallas 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.440 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Hellman, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.160 and myself Kyle Yeoman's guys, it's been a crazy week, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.600 not only because of outside factors but also just overall 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:37.399 with the moves and the shaking and the free agency 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.399 kind of switches up the way that you think about 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.600 this draft a little bit, doesn't it. Well, free agency 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.760 hasn't started yet, you know. So I'm watching Gerald McCoy 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.360 tape right now while we'd record the draft show. That's 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:53.320 just in case the Cowboys think about signing him at 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.800 some point. That would be huge, Yeah, just to see 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.559 what it would look like if maybe you added a player, 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:02.040 which of course they have not. But yeah, actually free 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.440 agency opens today, does it not? Yeah? So, I mean, 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.600 I mean we all know it's bs. The legal tampering 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:18.119 window opened on Monday morning, negotiating negotiating period. Tampering is illegal, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.400 but it's no, it's legal tapering. That's really kind of 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:27.720 a it's an oxymoron. Yeah, it's the word I'm looking for. Oxymoron. But, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.360 like Dave said, today is the official start of free agency. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.560 Four o'clock Eastern time, three o'clock Central is whenever that 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:38.920 window opened. So you're over there looking at Gerald McCoy, 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:43.640 apparently he agreed to terms reportedly with the Dallas Cowboys. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.280 What do you what do you see in over there? Jeff? 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.280 I see a guy that unfortunately is playing a lot 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.720 of defensive end in a three man front, which is 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.640 probably not fun for him, because I know that he 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.720 can play the three technique. Uh. He was really good 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.560 at the three technique for a while in Tampa Bay. Right, Yeah, No. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.480 I would say in theory, okay, if MALIEK. Collins were 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.440 to sign somewhere else, like maybe with the Las Vegas Raiders, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.840 yeah them or wherever? Yeah? Where? And in theory, if 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.680 Gerald McCoy signed with the Cowboys, I would say, even 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:15.760 if MALIEK. Collins is making more money, I think Gerald 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.880 McCoy is a slightly better player today. It's just the 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.680 difference of signing a what is Malik twenty six? The 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.960 difference of twenty six year old and thirty two year old. Yeah, 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.560 one of you gets paid a lot because they expect 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.240 you to keep getting better, and one of you they're like, 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.840 please don't get worse. So the guy who you're hoping 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.440 please don't get worse, I think will be a slight 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.040 upgrade over which MALIEK. Collins. You're talking about a thirty 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.120 two year old who at one point was dominant. Well, 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.400 I was arguably the best d tackle in the league. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.880 I mean Gerald McCoy's peak was before Aaron Donald showed up. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:52.400 But even you know, seventy percent of what Gerald McCoy 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.560 was sounds great to me for a team that obvious, 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:56.920 and like, this is what we've been talking about for 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.680 two months. As you know that they're going to address 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.640 things in free agency, know they're going to lose players 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:05.160 in free agency, you know, like theoretically, you know, we 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.440 thought Robert Quinn had a good chance to come back, 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.680 but maybe he signs a deal that's worth maybe why 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.760 he's as much as as what people expected, and maybe 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.200 he goes somewhere like Chicago. So this week is gonna 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.880 end next week as well for that matter, but it's 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.560 really going to shape out what we know about this 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.640 roster because we were borderline clueless coming into the week 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.880 and now we're only starting to put it together. Well, 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.640 there were so many other moves that are maybe going 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.200 to happen in terms of Maury Cooper, he's returning or 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.080 supposedly returning. Byron Jones has agreed to terms to a 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.120 five year, eighty two and a half million dollars deal 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:46.040 with the Dolphins. You talked about Quinn. Randall Cobb has 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.600 moved on we'll talk about some replacements for Randall Cobb 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.320 coming up in the third segment, but you also have 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.120 a couple of signees. We talk about McCoy, you talk 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:58.400 about Blake Jarwin, he has officially signed or resigned an extension, 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.440 and then Jason Witten has agreed to terms to go 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.680 to the Las Vegas Raiders at this moment, But where 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.200 does that leave the draft for the Cowboys? Because there 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.200 has been a lot of shifting, a lot of shaking, 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.120 and McCoy's not the number one answer in terms of 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.440 the defensive line. You're gonna have to find some production 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.640 to replace a guy like Robert Quinn to just basically 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.160 put bodies up there. You talk about MALIEK Collins, who's 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.360 already gone. You might have that replacement with McCoy in 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.839 that specific standpoint, But where does this leave the draft 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.479 strategy for the Cowboys? Your need at cornerback is still 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.160 there and glaring to me, you're needed on the defensive 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.240 line is still there. Even if you hypothetically do add 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.960 Gerald McCoy, whether it's defensive tackle or a defensive end, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.919 you still need to address that You're still gonna need 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.560 a safety at some point. The need at wide receiver, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.279 I think is the one that elevates a little more 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.960 than maybe it did in the last couple of months 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:54.680 when we've been talking about it, and every time Jeff 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:56.400 would bring up a wide receiver in the first round 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.760 and we'd go, let's go, we gotta go defense. Now 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.200 we go ill you know what, let's go passing on 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.400 Jerry Judy might be a kind of foolish if that's therefore, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:05.840 you know things like that. So I know we'll talk 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.440 wide receivers in the third segment. But I do think 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.479 the way things have shaped out over the last couple days, 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.840 if these signing or these agree agreements there you come 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.600 to light. If they do come to light that I 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.080 do think the position that's kind of elevated itself and 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.760 made itself more likely is wide receiver. But it's not 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.160 a huge difference in what you need it. Anyways, you're 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:28.760 still gonna need to add a cornerback. I actually I disagree. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.240 Oh can we go, Dave? Go get him, Dave. I'm 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.240 not doing this because I went to Louisiana State University. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.680 You probably no, I'm not. But is it your son? 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.320 Can we talk about Calevan Chase on we can't because 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.400 all right, we all four of us were smart man. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.760 We can read writing on the wall. We've known Byron 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.400 Jones was going to be gone yea for the majority 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.720 of this draft process. But didn't it stop me from 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.880 being a really right, you're gonna beat that drum and 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.839 you're entitled to do it. That's totally fine. Point being 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.200 is Byron Jones is likely out the door and has 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.480 likely been out the door for a long time. Maybe 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.760 you saw Robert Quinn coming, maybe you weren't completely blindsided 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.240 by it, but I thought there was at least a 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.960 chance that they managed to bring him back. I thought 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.320 there was. And so now right end looks real, Dicey 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.440 and I have the names pulled up right here. You know, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.960 the Cowboys aren't going to sign Jadeveon Clowney. Let's let's 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.920 be real. Everson Griffin's hanging out out there. And then 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.480 it's like not a super inspiring list, And so all 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.120 of a sudden edge rusher to me is I know 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.480 a guy who could play right defensive end. Oh is 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.440 he technically employed by the Cowboys but has a murky Yeah, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.120 we're just really talking about a bunch of hypothetical stuff. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.160 All I'm saying is that you know, once upon a 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.320 time there were certain things that would get to where 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.760 you couldn't play NFL football, and those certain things no 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.760 longer stop you from playing NFL football. I were a 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.520 guy we're talking about a Randy Gregory right now. Wow, 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.440 I wasn't talking about anybody. I'm just saying, if you're 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.080 hypothetically yeah, I just put the name on. If I 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:13.200 were a guy who currently was suspended, but the reason 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.920 I've been suspended many times is no longer a reason 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.360 people get suspended. I'm saying I would probably file for 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.160 reinstatement and expect to play football the next year. So 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.320 maybe they have a right defensive end and they just 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:27.280 need some depth. If Klevan Chason is there at seventeen, 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.680 do you let your hope for Randy Gregory dissuade you 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.800 from that pick. I'd pick the best player available. Who 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:35.800 are the guys that you're not? Take Jerry Judy over 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.520 Chase On? Who's who? If it was, I mean, let's 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.680 get real hypothetical here and just say it's like Chase 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.319 On and CJ. Henderson like that, Judy's gone, Judy's It's 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.480 not a wide receiver. I can't imagine they're going to 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:51.400 draft a receiver in the first round now that Amari 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.200 Cooper is hypothetically under contract for five years. Well, Henderson 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.280 versus Chason is easy. You trade down one spot when 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.600 you see who picks one of them and the other. No, 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.400 you can't do that. If that doesn't work, you trade 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.080 down one more spot until somebody picks. Tell me who 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.439 you like? Of them are gone. I trust Henderson, okay, 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.240 even more than Chas Chase on six and a half 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.120 sacks in his best college season ever. He's Chase like. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.040 I like the traits. Chason is an upside. It's got 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.319 a huge c J. Henderson's got taped that says he 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.160 could be a really, really really good NFL corner, and 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.280 Chase on has glimpses where you're like, I think so see, 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.559 I think I'm just all of I mean, you don't 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.680 want to panic pick. I get that, but that could 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.760 solve a lot of your problems with your pass rush 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:38.719 if you I mean, if he even falls that far, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.440 which I don't think is going to happen. He's too 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.160 athletic for a team to let him fall to seventeen. 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:46.520 This is why they do exercises and they stack him up, 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.920 and well, I like to keep Ken Law on the mix. 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.960 But you know, we'll see what happens there, no matter 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.320 if Gerald McCoy is here or not. But if I've 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.440 got a Henderson chase on all three of those wide receivers, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.040 who keep those guys in there? Right, Rugs, Judy from 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.520 Alabama and also um Cede Lamb from Oklahoma, you're putting 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.320 them on a board. Who how are you guys rinking 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.120 those five guys? I only heard lam at the end, 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.000 so I'm sure he's at the three wide receivers. The 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.319 three wide receivers Chase On and C J. Henderson and 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:20.120 Law guys soon would be last. Henderson would be second 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.280 to last in your three receivers up at the top. Yeah, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.120 the three receivers would be the Lamb is the top 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.760 of the I'll be ahead of the wide receivers, Ken Law, 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.800 maybe ahead of Rugs, but not ahead of Judy or CD. Okay, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.319 I think I would take I can't pass on Cede 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.880 Lamb if he's there, I can't do it. U Probably 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.800 not Judy either, But I don't really believe one of 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:44.200 them might be there. I don't think both of them 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.320 will be I think one of the three will be there. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:50.600 And then overall, yeah, I don't know. I'm not I 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.280 don't think so. I'm not drafting Rugs at seventeen. No, 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.839 I would draft Lamb or Judy at seventeen. And then 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.800 probably Cardinals might have helped you out there by getting 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.480 DeAndre Hopkins. Absolutely might have just gone from receiver to 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.040 offensive tackle. Absolutely no, and they need to go out 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:13.200 which I was really excited. If you another piece of 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.480 the million things that have happened this week, the Colts 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:21.080 theoretically traded for DeForest Buckner and they gave number thirteen 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.680 to San Francisco, who doesn't need a wide receiver, but 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.480 they they do need a defensive tackle though, so that's 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.520 a roadblock the law. Are we pretending the forty nine 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.280 ers are stocked at receiver right now? Well, they got 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.120 to the Super Bowl and they had a guy named 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.480 Deebo Samuel that was one of their best pieces. Araniel 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.440 Sanders is a free agent. Yeah, they're true, although Debo 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:45.760 and one Dante pettis the then also they also have 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.800 like no picks whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised if they 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:51.680 don't make that pick if they trade out, of which 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.040 is smart. Absolutely always trade down. Maybe they trade back 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.120 to seventeen because the Cowboys have their eye on a 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.200 kin law law or a ace on or whatever. Yeah, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.640 forty hours will get created with pick thirteen and pick 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.600 thirty one that they have now, right, Yeah, So like, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.719 I bet they I bet they get a target for 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:13.360 Kyle Shanahan. I can't see them not adding a wide 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.439 receiver one of those picks. I just if they keep 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.840 those picks, I canna say after those two picks, like, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.880 I don't think they pick again until the fourth round, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:23.200 So I wouldn't be shocked they're not making both of 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.080 those picks. I just I have a hard time. You 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.760 really think they're gonna make that trade though, and they're 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.520 gonna get rid of DeForest Buckner and go up to 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.559 thirteen and draft a guy that's a wide receiver and 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.560 a wide receiver loaded class when you could get a 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.200 game changer in the later rounds. I think they're going 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:39.599 up for somebody else if they stick and pick. I 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:41.720 don't think they're going up for anybody, Like I don't 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:43.720 think you just think that was a move, Yeah, yeah, 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.240 that was pain Yeah Yeah, I think that was you 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.000 give them twenty million dollars and we'll take a first 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:49.720 round pick and we'll take a pick. Figure it out 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.040 and keep the winning window open and not get you know, 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.280 he'll got a team in their division like the Rams 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:56.240 who have gone all in on just bringing guys in 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.720 and paying them, and they're sitting there panicking, going is 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.440 our window closing? You know? The forty Niners, Like, let's 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:04.400 keep this thing open. Yeah. I think John lynchend Calshanna 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.959 have a pretty good plan in San Francisco. They on 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.480 their numbers last year. Their number two receiver right now 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.400 would be Kendrick Bourne, So yeah, they could get at 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:16.520 maybe pick a receiver now. Kind of going off of 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.760 what Dave just said, let's let's get nuts with this. 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.719 We're talking about you miss all segment feels it is 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.280 forty pick at thirty four by the way too, so thirteen, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.199 thirty one and thirty four and they don't not get 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.480 until like the four. Okay, Yeah, they're good shape. So 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.760 with that being said, if they wanted to pick up 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.440 a couple picks from let's say a team that is 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.640 currently at seventeen overall, like Dave said, facetiously, a little 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 bit earlier, it wasn't facetious for the rect What player 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.560 would have to fall to eleven or twelve in order 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.480 to try and trade up and hope that he falls 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.920 to thirteen? Only two of them exist that I would 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:53.960 go up for. I want a seedee Lamb. No, no, no, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.199 I'm not going up. Can't trade up for a receiver. No. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.280 I would only go up for Okuda and I would 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.719 go up for Isaiah Simmons. Would I know way to 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:04.320 get one of them to thirteen and I'll go up? 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.400 Would you go up for Derek Brown? One in three 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:13.360 Derek Brown? That's hypothetically Gerald McCoy and DeMarcus Lawrence starts 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.800 to feel pretty good. Yeah, but at the same and 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.960 I don't mean to throw shade at Gerald McCoy, but 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.200 I just think about which are Pairing him with DeMarcus 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.760 Lawrence is one thing, but like, do defensive tackles affect 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.400 the game enough to be worth that type of resource? 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.640 And I know this team might be desperate for that 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.280 because last year affect their defensive tackles didn't help their 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:39.360 ends at all. But theoretical, but all theoretically, don't know 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.520 for sure. But Gerald McCoy, who is good. He's had 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:44.840 five sacks for like seven straight years. He's a pretty 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.360 good player. Could be in the fold to help you 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.400 with that. I don't know if I'd go up for 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.600 Derek Brown one, I no doubt I would go up 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.000 and Simmons our top five players in the draft class. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.560 We're talking about going up to thirteen, right, Yes, if 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.880 Derek Brown's at thirteen, you go get him. He's falling 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.440 because of his test numbers? What's the most No, no, no, no, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.000 no, no no no. I don't think he's falling because of 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.160 his test numbers. Because he posted a video of him 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.480 running a three cone at his training facility that was 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.440 like seven and a half seconds instead of eight point two, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.360 which probably took him fifty times to run. And that's 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.680 why you finally posted instead of running at prote But whatever, 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.560 you're so mean, what's he falling for? Then? Because I 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.600 think people are wondering what's a nose tackle? What's a 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.800 nose tackle worth? Even a great one? When Snax Harrison 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.080 was highly paid, he was getting traded for fourth and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.800 fifth round picks, and he was the best nose tackle 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.480 pole Worth. We've talked about offensive tackles. I mean, there's 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:35.960 gonna be a couple of those that'll go in the 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.000 top ten. Maybe another team stretches and takes an offensive 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.480 tackle three, so there's three going in the top ten. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.880 You talk about the quarterbacks, offensive tackles are worth it. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.000 Quarterbacks are worth was a nose tackle worth trading up 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.480 for in the first round? What am I giving up 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.040 to get there first? To go from seventeen to thirty third? 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.520 Probably your third round pick at least. Yeah, if I mean, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.400 it's all up to the team boy that's tempting to 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.120 get Derek Brown in there. Though I don't agree with 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.000 you at all. I mean, and I get it. It's frustrating. 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.760 I don't think the Cowboys value knows taxed enough or 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.080 haven't in the past. But I still don't want to 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.680 trade up for I'm with Woods out there again this 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:22.160 year guys no offense, But yeah, I'd love for that 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.880 to happen. But what sis this with money? The draft 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.400 is about value, Free agency is about need. I like 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.200 your two and then and okay, again, this is not 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.720 so much about my own evaluation, but it reminds me 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.320 a lot of DeMarcus Lawrence. Actually, if any team, let 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.640 alone the Cowboys, is convinced that Calvan Chason is the 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:46.040 only other difference making edge. That's the type of guy 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.720 you trade up for, because I mean you have Chase 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.320 Young and then Chason, and like, aren't those the only 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:56.800 guys with like twitchy pro upside? I mean Ajpanessa and 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.520 Yader grossmatosmatos? Do you think again? And I know you 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.320 don't love Chason, but do you think his upside seems 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.800 as high to you? No? Not as a pure pass 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.560 right No. And if you're convinced that Chason is ascending, yeah, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.680 that is a guy that a team would absolutely trade 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.560 up for if they were sold that he was that guy. 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.760 I think they're just gonna be a guy that pops 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.080 in this draft class as a pass rusher. It's just 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.640 can you guess which one it is? Like between Ouchie 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.680 at Michigan and o'kwarat Notre Dame and just run down 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.399 your list of Curtis Weaver. There's gonna be a guys 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.280 greener from Florida. I love him. Yeah, that's that's a 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.640 second round pipe dream for me, right, you know? So yeah, 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:38.119 I know, But like it's like, who's gonna be this 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.480 year's Max Crosby Er? You know we do this every 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.359 year Neil Hunter. So that's why, like the Neil Hunter, 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.359 that frame is what puts you onto guys like uh, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.000 Chase absolutely like hold on the guys who are six 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.399 five six six two fifty Randy Gregory picture, Yeah, that plays, 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.200 That plays, which is why I could see like, that's 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.760 I don't think he's an option at seventeen realistically, but 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:04.120 with Robert Quinn probably no longer in the building. It's 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:05.760 something you got to look at, and I don't think 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.200 you're replacing that in free agency with the guys that 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.400 are available. We'll see what happens with Randy Gregory. It's 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.960 worth pointing out, but I can't count on it. I 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.760 don't want to write the idea of Chase on at 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.800 seventeen off only because the NFL surprises us sometimes. We 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:24.120 all watched Cleland Farrell, the Clemson to five who announced 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.199 how you say his last name? After he was drafted, 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.000 after we called him Farrell for years, and when you 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:32.080 watched him on tape going to the year, people were 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:33.800 talking about him as a top ten pick. But when 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.399 you watched him on tape, you're like, oh, it's a 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.719 second round guy. Solid, and the writers were like, oh, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.800 top five pick, yeah, well somebody do that with well 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.200 Epanessa sneaking in the top fifteen because somebody is just like, yeah, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.320 that's our guy, will like there's gonna be names in 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.520 the first round that we go, oh wow, really yeah, 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.040 where did that come from? That's gonna happen now? Okay. 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.439 Kind of with that being said, it seems like lost 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.360 in the shuffle has been the safety position. We've talked 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.600 about corner because Byron Jones left, We've talked about defensive 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.440 tackle in that defensive end because there are there's an 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.399 obvious need there for the Cowboys, but safety's kind of 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:12.560 gone to the wayside, even though Jeff Heath has reportedly 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.000 agreed to a deal with the Las Vegas Raiders over 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.840 the past twenty four hours. So now where does that 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:23.040 put safety on your board? Seventeen or later. Darian Thompson 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:28.199 theoretically supposedly back with the Cowboys, so that put that 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:33.560 int honestly think they would roll that out. Wow, Darion Thompson, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.240 Xavier Wood and you go look at some of Darien 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.040 Thompson snap counts last year. I can't go. Man, when 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.520 he was healthy he played, I could see them I 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:42.840 can't do it much. I can't say I'd be surprised. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.600 Donovan Wilson had a great preseason where we're making some progress, 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.200 you know. It's it's interesting though, like sorry, I mean, 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.679 I was saying, these leopards don't really change their stripes 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:58.520 too much. Spots, Ye, they have spots too. They're different. 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.720 There's the cant differences. These are different leopards though, these 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.160 aren't the same kind of I mean, I know it's 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.240 it's well, it's the same king leopard, but a lot 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.960 of well, it's still of the cat family. Don't don't 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:13.480 you feel God, we are so off the rails right now. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.119 This is awesome, don't you feel like? I mean again, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.600 nothing is finalized, but the fact that the Cowboys are 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.800 even showing interest in Gerald McCoy to me the signals 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.239 that things are at least slightly different than they were. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.639 But they've liked three techniques over the years. It's the 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:30.000 one technique in the safety position, Like those are the 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.600 things that you're having to pull them and go please, yeah, 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.520 please drive one of these. Oh maybe on day three 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.600 we find a guy we like and we will. It's like, 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.440 it's very interesting. I just when when Darry and Thompson 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:44.959 if that ends up you know, happening, you know, as 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.520 free agency begins in the next you know, a few days. 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.639 Um to me, I justed immediately went dude, he played 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.920