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Speaker 1: supposedly until the NFL Draft, which was originally going to
Speaker 1: be in Las Vegas, Nevada. I can't even say that
Speaker 1: anymore because things change over the course of the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and now now we look forward to
Speaker 1: the draft, still doing the same dates, but it might
Speaker 1: look a lot more condensed, to say the least, because
Speaker 1: of the coronavirus and things going on that are out
Speaker 1: of the NFL's control. But we are still excited to
Speaker 1: give you some hot draft takes here on the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: and myself Kyle Yeoman's guys, it's been a crazy week,
Speaker 1: not only because of outside factors but also just overall
Speaker 1: with the moves and the shaking and the free agency
Speaker 1: kind of switches up the way that you think about
Speaker 1: this draft a little bit, doesn't it. Well, free agency
Speaker 1: hasn't started yet, you know. So I'm watching Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: tape right now while we'd record the draft show. That's
Speaker 1: just in case the Cowboys think about signing him at
Speaker 1: some point. That would be huge, Yeah, just to see
Speaker 1: what it would look like if maybe you added a player,
Speaker 1: which of course they have not. But yeah, actually free
Speaker 1: agency opens today, does it not? Yeah? So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean we all know it's bs. The legal tampering
Speaker 1: window opened on Monday morning, negotiating negotiating period. Tampering is illegal,
Speaker 1: but it's no, it's legal tapering. That's really kind of
Speaker 1: a it's an oxymoron. Yeah, it's the word I'm looking for. Oxymoron. But,
Speaker 1: like Dave said, today is the official start of free agency.
Speaker 1: Four o'clock Eastern time, three o'clock Central is whenever that
Speaker 1: window opened. So you're over there looking at Gerald McCoy,
Speaker 1: apparently he agreed to terms reportedly with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you see in over there? Jeff?
Speaker 1: I see a guy that unfortunately is playing a lot
Speaker 1: of defensive end in a three man front, which is
Speaker 1: probably not fun for him, because I know that he
Speaker 1: can play the three technique. Uh. He was really good
Speaker 1: at the three technique for a while in Tampa Bay. Right, Yeah, No.
Speaker 1: I would say in theory, okay, if MALIEK. Collins were
Speaker 1: to sign somewhere else, like maybe with the Las Vegas Raiders,
Speaker 1: yeah them or wherever? Yeah? Where? And in theory, if
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy signed with the Cowboys, I would say, even
Speaker 1: if MALIEK. Collins is making more money, I think Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy is a slightly better player today. It's just the
Speaker 1: difference of signing a what is Malik twenty six? The
Speaker 1: difference of twenty six year old and thirty two year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of you gets paid a lot because they expect
Speaker 1: you to keep getting better, and one of you they're like,
Speaker 1: please don't get worse. So the guy who you're hoping
Speaker 1: please don't get worse, I think will be a slight
Speaker 1: upgrade over which MALIEK. Collins. You're talking about a thirty
Speaker 1: two year old who at one point was dominant. Well,
Speaker 1: I was arguably the best d tackle in the league.
Speaker 1: I mean Gerald McCoy's peak was before Aaron Donald showed up.
Speaker 1: But even you know, seventy percent of what Gerald McCoy
Speaker 1: was sounds great to me for a team that obvious,
Speaker 1: and like, this is what we've been talking about for
Speaker 1: two months. As you know that they're going to address
Speaker 1: things in free agency, know they're going to lose players
Speaker 1: in free agency, you know, like theoretically, you know, we
Speaker 1: thought Robert Quinn had a good chance to come back,
Speaker 1: but maybe he signs a deal that's worth maybe why
Speaker 1: he's as much as as what people expected, and maybe
Speaker 1: he goes somewhere like Chicago. So this week is gonna
Speaker 1: end next week as well for that matter, but it's
Speaker 1: really going to shape out what we know about this
Speaker 1: roster because we were borderline clueless coming into the week
Speaker 1: and now we're only starting to put it together. Well,
Speaker 1: there were so many other moves that are maybe going
Speaker 1: to happen in terms of Maury Cooper, he's returning or
Speaker 1: supposedly returning. Byron Jones has agreed to terms to a
Speaker 1: five year, eighty two and a half million dollars deal
Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. You talked about Quinn. Randall Cobb has
Speaker 1: moved on we'll talk about some replacements for Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: coming up in the third segment, but you also have
Speaker 1: a couple of signees. We talk about McCoy, you talk
Speaker 1: about Blake Jarwin, he has officially signed or resigned an extension,
Speaker 1: and then Jason Witten has agreed to terms to go
Speaker 1: to the Las Vegas Raiders at this moment, But where
Speaker 1: does that leave the draft for the Cowboys? Because there
Speaker 1: has been a lot of shifting, a lot of shaking,
Speaker 1: and McCoy's not the number one answer in terms of
Speaker 1: the defensive line. You're gonna have to find some production
Speaker 1: to replace a guy like Robert Quinn to just basically
Speaker 1: put bodies up there. You talk about MALIEK Collins, who's
Speaker 1: already gone. You might have that replacement with McCoy in
Speaker 1: that specific standpoint, But where does this leave the draft
Speaker 1: strategy for the Cowboys? Your need at cornerback is still
Speaker 1: there and glaring to me, you're needed on the defensive
Speaker 1: line is still there. Even if you hypothetically do add
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy, whether it's defensive tackle or a defensive end,
Speaker 1: you still need to address that You're still gonna need
Speaker 1: a safety at some point. The need at wide receiver,
Speaker 1: I think is the one that elevates a little more
Speaker 1: than maybe it did in the last couple of months
Speaker 1: when we've been talking about it, and every time Jeff
Speaker 1: would bring up a wide receiver in the first round
Speaker 1: and we'd go, let's go, we gotta go defense. Now
Speaker 1: we go ill you know what, let's go passing on
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy might be a kind of foolish if that's therefore,
Speaker 1: you know things like that. So I know we'll talk
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the third segment. But I do think
Speaker 1: the way things have shaped out over the last couple days,
Speaker 1: if these signing or these agree agreements there you come
Speaker 1: to light. If they do come to light that I
Speaker 1: do think the position that's kind of elevated itself and
Speaker 1: made itself more likely is wide receiver. But it's not
Speaker 1: a huge difference in what you need it. Anyways, you're
Speaker 1: still gonna need to add a cornerback. I actually I disagree.
Speaker 1: Oh can we go, Dave? Go get him, Dave. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing this because I went to Louisiana State University.
Speaker 1: You probably no, I'm not. But is it your son?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Calevan Chase on we can't because
Speaker 1: all right, we all four of us were smart man.
Speaker 1: We can read writing on the wall. We've known Byron
Speaker 1: Jones was going to be gone yea for the majority
Speaker 1: of this draft process. But didn't it stop me from
Speaker 1: being a really right, you're gonna beat that drum and
Speaker 1: you're entitled to do it. That's totally fine. Point being
Speaker 1: is Byron Jones is likely out the door and has
Speaker 1: likely been out the door for a long time. Maybe
Speaker 1: you saw Robert Quinn coming, maybe you weren't completely blindsided
Speaker 1: by it, but I thought there was at least a
Speaker 1: chance that they managed to bring him back. I thought
Speaker 1: there was. And so now right end looks real, Dicey
Speaker 1: and I have the names pulled up right here. You know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys aren't going to sign Jadeveon Clowney. Let's let's
Speaker 1: be real. Everson Griffin's hanging out out there. And then
Speaker 1: it's like not a super inspiring list, And so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden edge rusher to me is I know
Speaker 1: a guy who could play right defensive end. Oh is
Speaker 1: he technically employed by the Cowboys but has a murky Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just really talking about a bunch of hypothetical stuff.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that you know, once upon a
Speaker 1: time there were certain things that would get to where
Speaker 1: you couldn't play NFL football, and those certain things no
Speaker 1: longer stop you from playing NFL football. I were a
Speaker 1: guy we're talking about a Randy Gregory right now. Wow,
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about anybody. I'm just saying, if you're
Speaker 1: hypothetically yeah, I just put the name on. If I
Speaker 1: were a guy who currently was suspended, but the reason
Speaker 1: I've been suspended many times is no longer a reason
Speaker 1: people get suspended. I'm saying I would probably file for
Speaker 1: reinstatement and expect to play football the next year. So
Speaker 1: maybe they have a right defensive end and they just
Speaker 1: need some depth. If Klevan Chason is there at seventeen,
Speaker 1: do you let your hope for Randy Gregory dissuade you
Speaker 1: from that pick. I'd pick the best player available. Who
Speaker 1: are the guys that you're not? Take Jerry Judy over
Speaker 1: Chase On? Who's who? If it was, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: get real hypothetical here and just say it's like Chase
Speaker 1: On and CJ. Henderson like that, Judy's gone, Judy's It's
Speaker 1: not a wide receiver. I can't imagine they're going to
Speaker 1: draft a receiver in the first round now that Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper is hypothetically under contract for five years. Well, Henderson
Speaker 1: versus Chason is easy. You trade down one spot when
Speaker 1: you see who picks one of them and the other. No,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. If that doesn't work, you trade
Speaker 1: down one more spot until somebody picks. Tell me who
Speaker 1: you like? Of them are gone. I trust Henderson, okay,
Speaker 1: even more than Chas Chase on six and a half
Speaker 1: sacks in his best college season ever. He's Chase like.
Speaker 1: I like the traits. Chason is an upside. It's got
Speaker 1: a huge c J. Henderson's got taped that says he
Speaker 1: could be a really, really really good NFL corner, and
Speaker 1: Chase on has glimpses where you're like, I think so see,
Speaker 1: I think I'm just all of I mean, you don't
Speaker 1: want to panic pick. I get that, but that could
Speaker 1: solve a lot of your problems with your pass rush
Speaker 1: if you I mean, if he even falls that far,
Speaker 1: which I don't think is going to happen. He's too
Speaker 1: athletic for a team to let him fall to seventeen.
Speaker 1: This is why they do exercises and they stack him up,
Speaker 1: and well, I like to keep Ken Law on the mix.
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see what happens there, no matter
Speaker 1: if Gerald McCoy is here or not. But if I've
Speaker 1: got a Henderson chase on all three of those wide receivers,
Speaker 1: who keep those guys in there? Right, Rugs, Judy from
Speaker 1: Alabama and also um Cede Lamb from Oklahoma, you're putting
Speaker 1: them on a board. Who how are you guys rinking
Speaker 1: those five guys? I only heard lam at the end,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure he's at the three wide receivers. The
Speaker 1: three wide receivers Chase On and C J. Henderson and
Speaker 1: Law guys soon would be last. Henderson would be second
Speaker 1: to last in your three receivers up at the top. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the three receivers would be the Lamb is the top
Speaker 1: of the I'll be ahead of the wide receivers, Ken Law,
Speaker 1: maybe ahead of Rugs, but not ahead of Judy or CD. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I would take I can't pass on Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb if he's there, I can't do it. U Probably
Speaker 1: not Judy either, But I don't really believe one of
Speaker 1: them might be there. I don't think both of them
Speaker 1: will be I think one of the three will be there.
Speaker 1: And then overall, yeah, I don't know. I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I'm not drafting Rugs at seventeen. No,
Speaker 1: I would draft Lamb or Judy at seventeen. And then
Speaker 1: probably Cardinals might have helped you out there by getting
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Absolutely might have just gone from receiver to
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Absolutely no, and they need to go out
Speaker 1: which I was really excited. If you another piece of
Speaker 1: the million things that have happened this week, the Colts
Speaker 1: theoretically traded for DeForest Buckner and they gave number thirteen
Speaker 1: to San Francisco, who doesn't need a wide receiver, but
Speaker 1: they they do need a defensive tackle though, so that's
Speaker 1: a roadblock the law. Are we pretending the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers are stocked at receiver right now? Well, they got
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and they had a guy named
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel that was one of their best pieces. Araniel
Speaker 1: Sanders is a free agent. Yeah, they're true, although Debo
Speaker 1: and one Dante pettis the then also they also have
Speaker 1: like no picks whatsoever. I wouldn't be surprised if they
Speaker 1: don't make that pick if they trade out, of which
Speaker 1: is smart. Absolutely always trade down. Maybe they trade back
Speaker 1: to seventeen because the Cowboys have their eye on a
Speaker 1: kin law law or a ace on or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: forty hours will get created with pick thirteen and pick
Speaker 1: thirty one that they have now, right, Yeah, So like,
Speaker 1: I bet they I bet they get a target for
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan. I can't see them not adding a wide
Speaker 1: receiver one of those picks. I just if they keep
Speaker 1: those picks, I canna say after those two picks, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think they pick again until the fourth round,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be shocked they're not making both of
Speaker 1: those picks. I just I have a hard time. You
Speaker 1: really think they're gonna make that trade though, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna get rid of DeForest Buckner and go up to
Speaker 1: thirteen and draft a guy that's a wide receiver and
Speaker 1: a wide receiver loaded class when you could get a
Speaker 1: game changer in the later rounds. I think they're going
Speaker 1: up for somebody else if they stick and pick. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're going up for anybody, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think you just think that was a move, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was pain Yeah Yeah, I think that was you
Speaker 1: give them twenty million dollars and we'll take a first
Speaker 1: round pick and we'll take a pick. Figure it out
Speaker 1: and keep the winning window open and not get you know,
Speaker 1: he'll got a team in their division like the Rams
Speaker 1: who have gone all in on just bringing guys in
Speaker 1: and paying them, and they're sitting there panicking, going is
Speaker 1: our window closing? You know? The forty Niners, Like, let's
Speaker 1: keep this thing open. Yeah. I think John lynchend Calshanna
Speaker 1: have a pretty good plan in San Francisco. They on
Speaker 1: their numbers last year. Their number two receiver right now
Speaker 1: would be Kendrick Bourne, So yeah, they could get at
Speaker 1: maybe pick a receiver now. Kind of going off of
Speaker 1: what Dave just said, let's let's get nuts with this.
Speaker 1: We're talking about you miss all segment feels it is
Speaker 1: forty pick at thirty four by the way too, so thirteen,
Speaker 1: thirty one and thirty four and they don't not get
Speaker 1: until like the four. Okay, Yeah, they're good shape. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, if they wanted to pick up
Speaker 1: a couple picks from let's say a team that is
Speaker 1: currently at seventeen overall, like Dave said, facetiously, a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, it wasn't facetious for the rect What player
Speaker 1: would have to fall to eleven or twelve in order
Speaker 1: to try and trade up and hope that he falls
Speaker 1: to thirteen? Only two of them exist that I would
Speaker 1: go up for. I want a seedee Lamb. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going up. Can't trade up for a receiver. No.
Speaker 1: I would only go up for Okuda and I would
Speaker 1: go up for Isaiah Simmons. Would I know way to
Speaker 1: get one of them to thirteen and I'll go up?
Speaker 1: Would you go up for Derek Brown? One in three
Speaker 1: Derek Brown? That's hypothetically Gerald McCoy and DeMarcus Lawrence starts
Speaker 1: to feel pretty good. Yeah, but at the same and
Speaker 1: I don't mean to throw shade at Gerald McCoy, but
Speaker 1: I just think about which are Pairing him with DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence is one thing, but like, do defensive tackles affect
Speaker 1: the game enough to be worth that type of resource?
Speaker 1: And I know this team might be desperate for that
Speaker 1: because last year affect their defensive tackles didn't help their
Speaker 1: ends at all. But theoretical, but all theoretically, don't know
Speaker 1: for sure. But Gerald McCoy, who is good. He's had
Speaker 1: five sacks for like seven straight years. He's a pretty
Speaker 1: good player. Could be in the fold to help you
Speaker 1: with that. I don't know if I'd go up for
Speaker 1: Derek Brown one, I no doubt I would go up
Speaker 1: and Simmons our top five players in the draft class.
Speaker 1: We're talking about going up to thirteen, right, Yes, if
Speaker 1: Derek Brown's at thirteen, you go get him. He's falling
Speaker 1: because of his test numbers? What's the most No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no no. I don't think he's falling because of
Speaker 1: his test numbers. Because he posted a video of him
Speaker 1: running a three cone at his training facility that was
Speaker 1: like seven and a half seconds instead of eight point two,
Speaker 1: which probably took him fifty times to run. And that's
Speaker 1: why you finally posted instead of running at prote But whatever,
Speaker 1: you're so mean, what's he falling for? Then? Because I
Speaker 1: think people are wondering what's a nose tackle? What's a
Speaker 1: nose tackle worth? Even a great one? When Snax Harrison
Speaker 1: was highly paid, he was getting traded for fourth and
Speaker 1: fifth round picks, and he was the best nose tackle
Speaker 1: pole Worth. We've talked about offensive tackles. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of those that'll go in the
Speaker 1: top ten. Maybe another team stretches and takes an offensive
Speaker 1: tackle three, so there's three going in the top ten.
Speaker 1: You talk about the quarterbacks, offensive tackles are worth it.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are worth was a nose tackle worth trading up
Speaker 1: for in the first round? What am I giving up
Speaker 1: to get there first? To go from seventeen to thirty third?
Speaker 1: Probably your third round pick at least. Yeah, if I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all up to the team boy that's tempting to
Speaker 1: get Derek Brown in there. Though I don't agree with
Speaker 1: you at all. I mean, and I get it. It's frustrating.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys value knows taxed enough or
Speaker 1: haven't in the past. But I still don't want to
Speaker 1: trade up for I'm with Woods out there again this
Speaker 1: year guys no offense, But yeah, I'd love for that
Speaker 1: to happen. But what sis this with money? The draft
Speaker 1: is about value, Free agency is about need. I like
Speaker 1: your two and then and okay, again, this is not
Speaker 1: so much about my own evaluation, but it reminds me
Speaker 1: a lot of DeMarcus Lawrence. Actually, if any team, let
Speaker 1: alone the Cowboys, is convinced that Calvan Chason is the
Speaker 1: only other difference making edge. That's the type of guy
Speaker 1: you trade up for, because I mean you have Chase
Speaker 1: Young and then Chason, and like, aren't those the only
Speaker 1: guys with like twitchy pro upside? I mean Ajpanessa and
Speaker 1: Yader grossmatosmatos? Do you think again? And I know you
Speaker 1: don't love Chason, but do you think his upside seems
Speaker 1: as high to you? No? Not as a pure pass
Speaker 1: right No. And if you're convinced that Chason is ascending, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a guy that a team would absolutely trade
Speaker 1: up for if they were sold that he was that guy.
Speaker 1: I think they're just gonna be a guy that pops
Speaker 1: in this draft class as a pass rusher. It's just
Speaker 1: can you guess which one it is? Like between Ouchie
Speaker 1: at Michigan and o'kwarat Notre Dame and just run down
Speaker 1: your list of Curtis Weaver. There's gonna be a guys
Speaker 1: greener from Florida. I love him. Yeah, that's that's a
Speaker 1: second round pipe dream for me, right, you know? So yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, But like it's like, who's gonna be this
Speaker 1: year's Max Crosby Er? You know we do this every
Speaker 1: year Neil Hunter. So that's why, like the Neil Hunter,
Speaker 1: that frame is what puts you onto guys like uh,
Speaker 1: Chase absolutely like hold on the guys who are six
Speaker 1: five six six two fifty Randy Gregory picture, Yeah, that plays,
Speaker 1: That plays, which is why I could see like, that's
Speaker 1: I don't think he's an option at seventeen realistically, but
Speaker 1: with Robert Quinn probably no longer in the building. It's
Speaker 1: something you got to look at, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you're replacing that in free agency with the guys that
Speaker 1: are available. We'll see what happens with Randy Gregory. It's
Speaker 1: worth pointing out, but I can't count on it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to write the idea of Chase on at
Speaker 1: seventeen off only because the NFL surprises us sometimes. We
Speaker 1: all watched Cleland Farrell, the Clemson to five who announced
Speaker 1: how you say his last name? After he was drafted,
Speaker 1: after we called him Farrell for years, and when you
Speaker 1: watched him on tape going to the year, people were
Speaker 1: talking about him as a top ten pick. But when
Speaker 1: you watched him on tape, you're like, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: second round guy. Solid, and the writers were like, oh,
Speaker 1: top five pick, yeah, well somebody do that with well
Speaker 1: Epanessa sneaking in the top fifteen because somebody is just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's our guy, will like there's gonna be names in
Speaker 1: the first round that we go, oh wow, really yeah,
Speaker 1: where did that come from? That's gonna happen now? Okay.
Speaker 1: Kind of with that being said, it seems like lost
Speaker 1: in the shuffle has been the safety position. We've talked
Speaker 1: about corner because Byron Jones left, We've talked about defensive
Speaker 1: tackle in that defensive end because there are there's an
Speaker 1: obvious need there for the Cowboys, but safety's kind of
Speaker 1: gone to the wayside, even though Jeff Heath has reportedly
Speaker 1: agreed to a deal with the Las Vegas Raiders over
Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours. So now where does that
Speaker 1: put safety on your board? Seventeen or later. Darian Thompson
Speaker 1: theoretically supposedly back with the Cowboys, so that put that
Speaker 1: int honestly think they would roll that out. Wow, Darion Thompson,
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood and you go look at some of Darien
Speaker 1: Thompson snap counts last year. I can't go. Man, when
Speaker 1: he was healthy he played, I could see them I
Speaker 1: can't do it much. I can't say I'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson had a great preseason where we're making some progress,
Speaker 1: you know. It's it's interesting though, like sorry, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was saying, these leopards don't really change their stripes
Speaker 1: too much. Spots, Ye, they have spots too. They're different.
Speaker 1: There's the cant differences. These are different leopards though, these
Speaker 1: aren't the same kind of I mean, I know it's
Speaker 1: it's well, it's the same king leopard, but a lot
Speaker 1: of well, it's still of the cat family. Don't don't
Speaker 1: you feel God, we are so off the rails right now.
Speaker 1: This is awesome, don't you feel like? I mean again,
Speaker 1: nothing is finalized, but the fact that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: even showing interest in Gerald McCoy to me the signals
Speaker 1: that things are at least slightly different than they were.
Speaker 1: But they've liked three techniques over the years. It's the
Speaker 1: one technique in the safety position, Like those are the
Speaker 1: things that you're having to pull them and go please, yeah,
Speaker 1: please drive one of these. Oh maybe on day three
Speaker 1: we find a guy we like and we will. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I just when when Darry and Thompson
Speaker 1: if that ends up you know, happening, you know, as
Speaker 1: free agency begins in the next you know, a few days.
Speaker 1: Um to me, I justed immediately went dude, he played
Speaker 1: a lot when Jeff Heath was big last year. They
Speaker 1: trusted him to play as it was Darry and Thompson,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods back there a lot less. Completely agree with
Speaker 1: you that there's I can't rule out the possibility that
Speaker 1: they roll that out. But safety, to me is interesting
Speaker 1: because we so we it's it's crazy, you know, we
Speaker 1: did the draft show last week. Yeah, and we kind
Speaker 1: of hypothesize, like, man, maybe this COVID nineteen thing is
Speaker 1: gonna affect things like we didn't even we didn't even
Speaker 1: come close to hitting on like how much was going
Speaker 1: to be affected. And that's in a week. We could
Speaker 1: still change from here on out. That's another thing. I specifically,
Speaker 1: I think about Grant Delpit all the time because I said,
Speaker 1: you know, Grant Delpit didn't work out at the combine.
Speaker 1: He's kind of a forgotten man. He's gonna go to
Speaker 1: LSU's pro day and light it up and everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about him as a top as a first
Speaker 1: round pick again, he's not going to have that chance anymore, probably,
Speaker 1: And that's I've actually I've talked to people on the
Speaker 1: scouting side who were like, this is going to mess
Speaker 1: with stuff more than you can understand. People. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean any number of prospects. Guys aren't coming into facilities
Speaker 1: like so instead spending like two days with a guy
Speaker 1: getting to know his personality, letting him wow you in
Speaker 1: the meeting room and get on the whiteboard and all
Speaker 1: that good stuff, Like you're gonna have like a twenty
Speaker 1: minute skype session with a guy. Yeah, And if you
Speaker 1: don't have numbers to stand on by now, you're probably
Speaker 1: not going to get a chance to post new ones.
Speaker 1: And I think there's gonna be more guestimating going on
Speaker 1: with NFL scouting departments with this draft than since like
Speaker 1: the eighties probably, which could be make more like Jeff
Speaker 1: was seeing earlier, huh picks you yeah early in the draft.
Speaker 1: Also free agency too, Like hypothetically, wouldn't you want to
Speaker 1: let's see if we get Jadeveon Clowney in here, at
Speaker 1: least give him a physical right, like you'd love to
Speaker 1: do that hypothetically, but like, yeah, not really able to
Speaker 1: do that right now. It's it's affecting all of it,
Speaker 1: which I even you know, not to get too deep
Speaker 1: in the weeds with coronavirus, but like you know, NBA
Speaker 1: players continue to test positive for it, and you know,
Speaker 1: knock on wood, I'm not trying to like speculate too much,
Speaker 1: but what if a guy who's about sign a major
Speaker 1: contract has COVID nineteen you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's it's just wild thing. Think there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of people that have it and don't know they
Speaker 1: have it absolutely and what does that do? I mean, man,
Speaker 1: we could go real deep on that. So I'll refrain
Speaker 1: from anything. But I feel like this is going to
Speaker 1: last a little longer than we thought it was going to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a definite thing that the draft even happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah at the end of April, right, and the draft
Speaker 1: could be pushed back. It's the NFL has done a
Speaker 1: good job of keeping things on track and being a
Speaker 1: really good distraction. Yeah, through all this, but like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced the draft even happened. There's not going
Speaker 1: to be saying the public aspects not going to happen.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get to see Joe Burrow ride
Speaker 1: a boat across the Belaggio Fountain, which is really the point. Disappointing. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, is it going to be a
Speaker 1: conference call? Is it going to be a tele conference?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna skype the draft? Nothing's gonna surprise anymore.
Speaker 1: You kind of threw out a couple of ideas there.
Speaker 1: There's actually a Twitter on the twenty question we do
Speaker 1: with that, So let's go ahead and go to our break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll address that question, look at
Speaker 1: some innovative ways on how we're going to hold this
Speaker 1: draft here in twenty twenty, and some other questions from
Speaker 1: your Twitter questions when we return here on the Dallas
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Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty Twitter on like that, shout out
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Speaker 1: forever Now thoughts and prayers. First questions. JD on Twitter said,
Speaker 1: they say the draft is going to a non public
Speaker 1: event and they will think of an quote unquote innovative
Speaker 1: way to do it. If you were in control, guys,
Speaker 1: how would you make the event more enjoyable as a
Speaker 1: non public event. Do you have my real answer or
Speaker 1: my fun answer? That's a great let's do both fun answer.
Speaker 1: I want your fun answer. My fun answer is live
Speaker 1: animals and a will and you spin it and that's
Speaker 1: what the team, that's what player your team gets. That's
Speaker 1: all right. At first, the Cincinnati BEng will spend the
Speaker 1: will of all So you're just going to completely change
Speaker 1: the complexion of the draft. It said more to go
Speaker 1: to Georgia Kicker. That's where the wheel ended the question.
Speaker 1: All I can do is answer the question asked. That's
Speaker 1: the question that was asked. Answer. I thought there's would
Speaker 1: be something really cool there. All right, I'll take the
Speaker 1: rest of the answer off. What if they did it
Speaker 1: like the voice and like all the teams sit in
Speaker 1: chairs and face away from the process, two chairs just
Speaker 1: read off his stat line. Yeah, he walks out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the person hit the button and like you think
Speaker 1: it's Joe Burrow, but you hit it and it's actually
Speaker 1: like Jacob Eeson. You're like everybody's just sitting there waiting
Speaker 1: to hear sixteen and a half sexam. Now, I would
Speaker 1: like to see the front offices fight over the guy
Speaker 1: once they both press the button yes, and then they
Speaker 1: just fight back and forth. I think that would be intritated,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, physically, or you could you're talking about spinning animals,
Speaker 1: so I could spin the players. The animals are just there.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be interesting if they're not allowed to
Speaker 1: do it publicly with you know, no more than like
Speaker 1: twenty thirty people in the room, but they still want
Speaker 1: to televise it. You're not gonna have like they're not
Speaker 1: gonna have eighty, you know, thirty players sitting in a
Speaker 1: green room. No. I don't think this is hard though,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it really affects it at all.
Speaker 1: People are gonna watch, however, many analysts are gonna have
Speaker 1: on the TV, which you don't need the TV. All
Speaker 1: you need is to listen to us during the draft.
Speaker 1: But if you have to watch on TV, they could
Speaker 1: have analysts that are in different locations put onto a
Speaker 1: screen and then they could have the board behind them
Speaker 1: and you could have another camera with whoever's announcing the picks.
Speaker 1: Like I don't, I don't think this is a big
Speaker 1: deal for the draft other than the preparation part of
Speaker 1: the draft. Agree, I mean, that's the big one is
Speaker 1: how it's going to affect how they prepare. But like
Speaker 1: it's the NFL, they're gonna try to find a way
Speaker 1: to make it over the top and entertaining, Like they're
Speaker 1: not just gonna let the teams sit in their war
Speaker 1: rooms and phone in their picks like they need the
Speaker 1: MLB draft, Yeah, from the work, They're going to have
Speaker 1: to be a visual component to this. Yeah, please the
Speaker 1: TV audience well, And kind of going back to even
Speaker 1: the way that they've done it in the past, how
Speaker 1: big of a role have the fans actually been in
Speaker 1: the draft process up until maybe the last five years,
Speaker 1: Because in the past it was just in New York,
Speaker 1: it was in a theater. You had fans in a
Speaker 1: dark lit room way back in the back. But then
Speaker 1: now that they've started moving the draft of these different cities,
Speaker 1: you have those fans start showing up, like in Nashville
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia and Dallas of course, who hosted it back
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. There are these different aspects to having
Speaker 1: these fans in the building. But before that it really
Speaker 1: wasn't the fans weren't the main attraction. The picks are
Speaker 1: always going to be that main attraction. Why do you
Speaker 1: try to push the draft back a month just to
Speaker 1: try to see if things slow down? I think it's
Speaker 1: still keep it in Vegas or do the same thing
Speaker 1: that you're going to do anyway, Well, that's will want
Speaker 1: you to push it back. I think the time is
Speaker 1: they're going to reach a time when they realize, oh wow,
Speaker 1: we do want to see two a throw. Oh I
Speaker 1: do want to do my thirty visits. Oh, I do
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of parts of this process that
Speaker 1: are getting skipped. Yeah. I think teams will be asking
Speaker 1: the NFL, hey, if it looks like this is going
Speaker 1: to wind down at all and we can find ways
Speaker 1: to get our visits in and get workouts in and
Speaker 1: get more medicals in, can we do that? It just
Speaker 1: feels like it might be too soon to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: think of him. I mean a week ago you could
Speaker 1: have told me restaurants we're gonna be closed. A week ago,
Speaker 1: we were only just starting to grasp the severity of this.
Speaker 1: And I'm not a medical expert, but it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be done anytime soon. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Revisit that topic in a couple of weeks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, with you. I'm not one hundred percent convinced
Speaker 1: that it'll happen on the regularly scheduled weekend. Okay, So
Speaker 1: our next question here on Twitter on the twenty actually
Speaker 1: comes from all the way out in California. Mike Crumb asked,
Speaker 1: does McCoy signing with the Cowboys affect the comp pics
Speaker 1: next season? Can they target that or wouldn't it likely
Speaker 1: affect those compics like Byron and Quinn. So that's a
Speaker 1: fun it's a fun thing to keep in mind when
Speaker 1: you're watching what the Cowboys do is it doesn't affect
Speaker 1: a comp pic formula when a player has been released, right,
Speaker 1: But McCoy was on a one year deal. He's a
Speaker 1: regular old free agent. So yes, bottom line, when they
Speaker 1: sign him, or if they sign him, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what the money looks like, we'll see the guarantees,
Speaker 1: it will probably affect that formula. But here's the good news.
Speaker 1: I promise MALIEK. Collins is going to get more than
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy gets. Yeah, so at worst you can wash
Speaker 1: out that compic. Yeah, I'm still looking at Byron Jones
Speaker 1: and Robert Quinn and Randall Cobb. I do I do?
Speaker 1: I don't know about Cobb because well, I mean, I'll
Speaker 1: probably get you at least a fifth like Beasley did
Speaker 1: last year, and Byron will get you a third, and
Speaker 1: Quinn will be a three or a four. And if
Speaker 1: they were to sign McCoy, we think that would probably
Speaker 1: be like so that would probably take away like your fifth,
Speaker 1: probably it would take away your MALIEK. Collins one that
Speaker 1: we don't even have considered yet. But this size of
Speaker 1: the Byron and Quinn deals is I mean those Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy is not going to wash that out. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I saw what you said on Twitter yesterday, Jeff, I
Speaker 1: would be surprised if the Cowboys do a supersizeable deal
Speaker 1: one because they don't do that anyway. But two, they
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with those picks. What about Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath as well? Are you going to get one for him?
Speaker 1: They're projecting currently on over the cap that both Witten
Speaker 1: and Heath will get you sixth round picks. Apparently four
Speaker 1: million dollar deals can get you. But also you got
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on those because the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: to bring players into their team. For sure, they will
Speaker 1: easily wash them. They will probably wash those out just
Speaker 1: over the course of the next few weeks by just
Speaker 1: doing routine business or sign Desmond Trufon or something really hard.
Speaker 1: If I fum the Cowboys, I would try really hard
Speaker 1: to bring in guys that were released trade late round.
Speaker 1: Trufon was released, Max Harrison was Harrison was released, Lynval
Speaker 1: Joseph was released, Leonard Floyd, Floyd was released, Jenkins Jerry
Speaker 1: on the record said that he liked him. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: Peter King articles from twenty sixteen. I don't Brandon Carr.
Speaker 1: They just said that his option wasn't picked up, so
Speaker 1: I that counsel's releasing him, so they'll fill it out.
Speaker 1: They always party a little bit late in free agency too.
Speaker 1: We've seen that I'm keeping my eyes on guys who
Speaker 1: were released from old contracts because that doesn't affect your
Speaker 1: comp Okay, our next question has to do with still
Speaker 1: free agency, but keeping it with the twenty twenty draft.
Speaker 1: And I like this guy's name, the Landlorian. He says
Speaker 1: which non Cowboys free agent signing will have the largest
Speaker 1: effect on the Cowboys first round pick, and which move
Speaker 1: will have the largest effect on the draft overall, talking
Speaker 1: about free agency in general, and then also specifically, what
Speaker 1: could affect the Cowboys. We talked about Buckner and the
Speaker 1: Colts a little bit earlier. With the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: now picking at thirteen, the Hopkins trade, that one might
Speaker 1: be the one for me. Hopkins trade is the big
Speaker 1: one because you're seeing a lot of I mean, it's
Speaker 1: mock draft, so who knows, but you're seeing a ton
Speaker 1: of Ceedee lambed Arizona talk. And now I think you're
Speaker 1: to see nothing but Jedrick Wills, Tristan Wirfs, McKay Beckton.
Speaker 1: I think you're just going to see the left tackles
Speaker 1: going to Arizona. So I think DeAndre Hopkins is that's
Speaker 1: that's number one? Right? Yeah, I think so. And I
Speaker 1: think also, I mean they're in front of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: The Bucks pick at fourteen. Yeah, and if it does
Speaker 1: become official that they end up signing Tom Brady, that's
Speaker 1: another team that doesn't need a quarterback. So it could
Speaker 1: potentially be a situation where maybe one of those quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love most likely maybe doesn't get to seventeen. Its
Speaker 1: very possible. I do think all four quarterbacks will probably
Speaker 1: go before seventeen, but it's possible. So also that could
Speaker 1: come into play. Indianapolis was a hot spot for a
Speaker 1: quarterback as well, in which they could still do that.
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is only supposedly signed to a one year deal,
Speaker 1: but it seems a little less likely now that their
Speaker 1: first pick, first round pick, is gone. Yeah, so oh well, yeah,
Speaker 1: yet are young for a little half baked idea real quick,
Speaker 1: just real quick. Matt Stafford to the Patriots the Lions
Speaker 1: draft two at three? Didn't we establish that like trading
Speaker 1: half baked? But I liked it, didn't wet. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure we established like trading Stafford would absolutely cripple their cap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: most hit to not have him on the off and
Speaker 1: that would ruin my Cam Newton to New England plan. Also, yeah,
Speaker 1: New England. It's not happening. Is Bill hated Tom because
Speaker 1: Tom was an old man that couldn't move anymore. And
Speaker 1: he's like, man, the NFL, you gotta be able to move.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson just killed us. So he's gonna be like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, can I get Cam for like a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick? Fifth round pick? Sweep? Actually, I'll do you
Speaker 1: one better, which so I love the idea, but it's
Speaker 1: not the Patriots having fun. It's not the Patriots style
Speaker 1: to pay that price anyway. Sure, what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: is wait for the Panthers to cut Cam when nobody
Speaker 1: wants to trade a lot for an injured old quarterback
Speaker 1: and then sign him to a very favorable deal because
Speaker 1: players want to play for Bill Belichick or Jared Stidham
Speaker 1: is going to win the whole thing. Yeah, that's Josh Rosen.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to kind of
Speaker 1: just sticking with this question, but going back to Tom
Speaker 1: Brady and the Buccaneers talk. Of course, with them being
Speaker 1: up in front of the Cowboys, they need offensive tackle
Speaker 1: help and corner help. So is there a chance that
Speaker 1: maybe some of those better offensive tackles go off the
Speaker 1: board early? You we talked about a Beckton, we talked
Speaker 1: about a Worths, and maybe and Andrew Thomas from Georgia.
Speaker 1: There's three guys that, maybe four guys that go in
Speaker 1: the top dozen picks in terms of offensive tackles. Is
Speaker 1: it possible that CJ. Henderson doesn't even make it to
Speaker 1: seventeen because the Buccaneers may pick them up there? Oh? Sure, absolutely.
Speaker 1: The minute c J. Henderson ran a four three nine,
Speaker 1: I started to think, oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, when
Speaker 1: a guy that size can run like and obviously the
Speaker 1: tape is more important, but when you show you have
Speaker 1: that straight line speed at the one position where straight
Speaker 1: line speed is very, very important, it makes sense. It
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense. I wouldn't bank on him
Speaker 1: being there at all. The Bucks at fourteen could use
Speaker 1: a cornerback. Ye, the Broncos at fifteen could use a
Speaker 1: cornerback with Chris Harris not being there anymore. That's another
Speaker 1: free agent move that could affect how the Cowboys draft.
Speaker 1: Oh kind of look cornerbacks of premium position. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think that's the round sliding thing is becoming
Speaker 1: more of a realistic type of thing. I'm talking they're
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. So I believe he'll slide. I just
Speaker 1: don't know that I'm willing to give away a premium
Speaker 1: pick to go get him. I want a team to
Speaker 1: get drunk and go draft running back in the top
Speaker 1: sixteen picks. That's what I'm looking Oh, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: looking for, Jandre Swift. That would be mile practice. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's a guy in Houston name Bill O'Brien. Great point, like,
Speaker 1: there's really good running backs in this draft, but nobody's
Speaker 1: even gonna talk about him in the top half of
Speaker 1: the first round because the world learned that quickly. They're like,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Well, it's not only okay to be
Speaker 1: fair though, Like there's just there's not a running back
Speaker 1: deserving of that type of pick. Oh, they're all the same,
Speaker 1: that's that's not sat. Quon Barkley is not a much
Speaker 1: better football player than DeAndre Swift. Here be you're I
Speaker 1: think you're being you're exaggerating to fit your bit right now.
Speaker 1: I don't do bits, Yes you do. I don't do bits.
Speaker 1: Count sixteen just cut their running back. Now that tells you, hey,
Speaker 1: they needed to save some cat money, or be maybe
Speaker 1: they don't value the running back as much. Or see,
Speaker 1: hey we're at sixteen, we can get the first running
Speaker 1: back in the draft, and we'll just pay him wait
Speaker 1: less than we're gonna put pay Devonte Freeman. Wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be just thrown out ideas to try to make things
Speaker 1: look a little better for the tables at seventeen. I
Speaker 1: understand and agree with the philosophy that, like running back
Speaker 1: is the most easily replaceable position in football, But if
Speaker 1: there was a running back worth taking in the top
Speaker 1: sixteen this year, we'd be talking about him. There just
Speaker 1: isn't one. There's just not one here like Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: when fully healthy, is worth where he was drafted. I
Speaker 1: want you to remember that three years from now, when
Speaker 1: it'll be one of these guys, it's all no idea
Speaker 1: which one and depend where they go and how much
Speaker 1: that team wants to run the ball. But one of
Speaker 1: these guys will be considered the best running back in football.
Speaker 1: And I feel like one of the one of one
Speaker 1: of the guys picked this year will be considered the
Speaker 1: best running back in football in three years. The fact
Speaker 1: thing think about winning out a specific guy, though, I think,
Speaker 1: goes to the point of that it doesn't matter. That
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I get that who's the best running
Speaker 1: back in football right now? Probably Barkley, because common perception
Speaker 1: has been over the over the past two or three
Speaker 1: years that it's been Zeke, it's been Barkley, It's now Henry,
Speaker 1: it was McCaffrey, it was Levan Bell, it's tons of them,
Speaker 1: I mean, and Nick Chubb will be if they start
Speaker 1: winning games. Nick Chub will get attention for being one
Speaker 1: of the best. Most of those guys were really highly drafted,
Speaker 1: just saying, and they get the ball three hundred times
Speaker 1: a year, so they end up with thirteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: and we say they're awesome. Well, it's it's the second
Speaker 1: contract that spooks everybody, right, And that is a separate argument,
Speaker 1: Like it's if a guy is special, he's worth drafting
Speaker 1: in the first round. It's the second contract that should
Speaker 1: scare worth draft in the first round if he holds
Speaker 1: out it for three years. Point is, there's not a
Speaker 1: consensus number one running back in this draft. There's not
Speaker 1: a consensus point of the is not a running back
Speaker 1: that anybody agrees is worth the first round? There has
Speaker 1: been in the past, Yeah, Zach, clearly, Right, Barkley, It's
Speaker 1: not because the position doesn't fully matter. It's just that
Speaker 1: this is not the best crop of running backs. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and go back to defense though. Question table
Speaker 1: at me two questions here from Seth Hall. What are
Speaker 1: some names of edge players that would be drafted for
Speaker 1: traits later in the draft, so potentially day three, we
Speaker 1: can maybe even bump that up the day two if
Speaker 1: we want to. And do you see a double dip
Speaker 1: at cornerback where the Cowboys maybe try and address some
Speaker 1: of that secondary need with multiple picks here in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Alex Highsmith of Charlotte is a good edge player. I
Speaker 1: think you could say he may be a three four
Speaker 1: type because he's got a little bit of a lean frame.
Speaker 1: You got something for those Conference USA defensive players, right,
Speaker 1: small school guys that go dominant. But Ladarius Hamilton from
Speaker 1: Texas or North Texas for an edge guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I look as much as I support the main green
Speaker 1: and you know that I do. You do Confort US
Speaker 1: Basketball champs. By the way, I don't know if Ladarius
Speaker 1: hamleybe maybe seventh round. You know, we have to be
Speaker 1: a late round or maybe even a signy guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everything's traits. There another name I don't know, like
Speaker 1: I think Daryl Taylor from Tennessee. I think he might
Speaker 1: slide into the third round just because there is gonna
Speaker 1: be people grasping for pass rushers of some sort um.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Garvin's got a little upside too from Miami. I
Speaker 1: think he's a guy who's kind of interesting. But man,
Speaker 1: I tell you, it it does dry up very quickly at
Speaker 1: edge this year after the first two first two days,
Speaker 1: So I mean, look, there's always gonna be sleepers that
Speaker 1: you kind of come across. But I haven't been wowed
Speaker 1: by a ton of guys on those you know, Day
Speaker 1: three guys. Usually you find find guys at each position
Speaker 1: that you kind of make your guy man at edge rusher.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been that way. I'm absolutely terrified of drafting
Speaker 1: edge rushers outside like the top one hundred or so picks.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, like, there's always gonna be
Speaker 1: there's gonna be surprises, Like, you know, Max Crosby's a
Speaker 1: guy we can talk about. That was a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick who looks really promising. But by and large, the
Speaker 1: guys who can bend and get to the corner at
Speaker 1: the NFL level like that is such a valuable trait
Speaker 1: that those guys go early. Even if you got polished.
Speaker 1: Here you go, guys. I just wanted to pull up
Speaker 1: my combined sheet and find the guys who run better
Speaker 1: than a seven second three cone that ran a good forty,
Speaker 1: and those are your sleepers. So Jason Strowbridge, man, that's
Speaker 1: not a sleeper to me. Wrong, Nope, he was a
Speaker 1: seven four five Nope, Nope, You're sleeper is Derek TUSCA
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State. We'll take it. Our guy went
Speaker 1: sub seven there in the three cone. And let me
Speaker 1: see if there's anyone else in this group. That's my
Speaker 1: only sleeper. Yeah, there's not. There's not only you know
Speaker 1: what Trevis Gibson from from Tulsa as a player that
Speaker 1: I think is kind of interesting. He had eight sacks
Speaker 1: last year. He's from Cedar Hill. He's a guy who
Speaker 1: you know, you see a little bit of just speed,
Speaker 1: you know, that's just kind of looking for at some point.
Speaker 1: I mean, the US the run stopping defensive ends aren't fun,
Speaker 1: you know, but they are needed in the league, and
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna kind of usually get on day three.
Speaker 1: But as far as the guy who could turn into
Speaker 1: a sad guy, Travis Gibson from Tulsa, who was a
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy. He's a guy who's a little interesting,
Speaker 1: probably around four round five type of guy. I've got
Speaker 1: another Senior Bowl guy for you. How about DJ Wandham
Speaker 1: from South Carolina. I'm not nuts about want him on tape.
Speaker 1: In fact, I've got a grade on him. Let me
Speaker 1: see it in my gray hairs on him. But kind
Speaker 1: of while you're finding that Curtis Weaver in a seven
Speaker 1: flat three cone. Yea jem, seriously, yeah you do? Damn,
Speaker 1: I was talking about this forty yard again, that's probably
Speaker 1: know that's probably a third round maybe third Yeah you
Speaker 1: really though? Okay, But back to Wanham. Wandham has a
Speaker 1: four seven forty and then also he had a seven
Speaker 1: point two five two cone, so he's had good numbers,
Speaker 1: solid numbers for an edge guy. Vertical of thirty four
Speaker 1: and a half inches, broad jump of one twenty three.
Speaker 1: You tested really well with the combine, looked pretty good
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl as what as well, Maybe he
Speaker 1: inches his way up into the fourth round. My problem
Speaker 1: with him is just getting blown off the ball when
Speaker 1: it if you're gonna run the bowl right at him,
Speaker 1: which like, hey, we're talking about upside you know, pass
Speaker 1: rush type guys. In fact, DJ want him. They played
Speaker 1: Alabama and he beat Jedrick Wills a couple of times.
Speaker 1: I mean like he got around him. He didn't finish
Speaker 1: the job, but he got around Jeddrick Wills, who maybe
Speaker 1: the first offensive tackle taking in this draft. But you
Speaker 1: don't see him finished very often, and you definitely don't
Speaker 1: see the play strength you see the speed, you do
Speaker 1: not see the play strength, and that's that's kind of bothersome,
Speaker 1: you know. But what what were we talking about her?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about round five, round six, the trade. You're there,
Speaker 1: DJ want him right there? Yeah, absolutely, question, that's the question.
Speaker 1: Round five, Absolutely exactly, so real quick yes or no,
Speaker 1: double different corner. I would love it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: beat his name into the ground. I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of Dane Jackson. Pittsburgh looked great at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: um sticky. I like his tenacity. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a Day three cornerback, so I keep taking him
Speaker 1: in the box. You have a good senior boy. I
Speaker 1: picked you in the fifth rap as well because it's
Speaker 1: the one. I mean, obviously you can watch all the
Speaker 1: tape you want when you get to go to Mobile
Speaker 1: and go against some of the best players, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the receivers in Mobile were fantastic. So for
Speaker 1: him to play as well as he did against some
Speaker 1: of those guys was really impressive to me. It's hard,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, but yeah, I mean I could
Speaker 1: absolutely see a first and fifth, second and fourth type
Speaker 1: of deal. It depends on what they do in free agency,
Speaker 1: but you gotta fix the secondary somehow and to be
Speaker 1: a broken record. But two of them a pet Katy
Speaker 1: pet kat, Mammy House, Louisiana Tech guy, Louisiana Tech and
Speaker 1: meet Robertson. We're gonna find out five four, Well maybe
Speaker 1: maybe teams are Maybe teams aren't going to find out
Speaker 1: how healthy he is. That's a fast nine. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: but hey, if that's not for your taste, can I
Speaker 1: interest you in Reggie Robinson of Tulsa. I like these
Speaker 1: Tulsa guys a little bit. Reggie robs I've got third
Speaker 1: round grade one. He's a top one hundred player. Now
Speaker 1: you're kind of starting to see draft Twitter kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh well, Reggie watched the Jgie Robinson tape. Oh no,
Speaker 1: Retchie Robinson tape has been good all along. He's exciting
Speaker 1: and he's really good. I know he got hurt and
Speaker 1: he's not declaring. Thyland Wallace, the wide receiver from Oklahoma State,
Speaker 1: he shut him down. Yeah, and that was very excellent.
Speaker 1: Tyland Wallace would have been one of those guys if
Speaker 1: he came out that was in the mix, top ten,
Speaker 1: top twelve wide receiver in the draft. Reggie Robinson is
Speaker 1: a name not to sleep on. I would draft him
Speaker 1: as high ast pick eighty one, eighty two, Yeah, third
Speaker 1: round pick, whatever it is. I would draft him that high.
Speaker 1: But I do think because of the small school thing,
Speaker 1: because he's a little lanky, because he doesn't like to
Speaker 1: play the run too much. I think you're going to
Speaker 1: see him full to day three and I would love
Speaker 1: him at fourth round value. Reggie Robinson and a Meek
Speaker 1: Robertson from Louisiana Tech. There's some good cornerbacks on day
Speaker 1: three to keep your keep your eye on. I like it, Jeff, Yes,
Speaker 1: or no double dip of corners corner there we go. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that'll do it for Twitter. On the twenty when
Speaker 1: we come back, I've got five potential draftees that will
Speaker 1: replace Randall Cobb. We'll see who likes which pick and
Speaker 1: where in the NFL draft when we return here on
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Speaker 1: Receiver has been a topic of conversation for quite some time. Really,
Speaker 1: the entirety of the draft show this season because of
Speaker 1: this class and how deep it is. And now we've
Speaker 1: got a little bit of a spot to phil. I
Speaker 1: remember the first show of this season, Jeff Cavanaugh said,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced Randall Cobb's coming back because of Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 1: press conference. Didn't know about Bill O'Brien. Yeah, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wasn't as informed as I needed to
Speaker 1: be about Bill O'Brien. Didn't O'Brien. It is absolutely not
Speaker 1: our fault. I mean, I think the world of Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb as a guy, and he's a great player. Randall
Speaker 1: Cobb himself, I think probably did a double take when
Speaker 1: he saw the offer. Oh He's like, I just had
Speaker 1: a one year old, five million dollars deal and I'm
Speaker 1: a year older and I'm getting double that for three okay,
Speaker 1: double triple, well nine million a year. Well yeah, but
Speaker 1: he's getting eighteen guaranteed. Okay, yeah, he's getting eighteen million
Speaker 1: guaranteed twenty seven million. I mean it sounds mean to say,
Speaker 1: like get your money, Randall, but like that's stunning to me.
Speaker 1: Bills competent. I mean, I would have found leaking like
Speaker 1: what DeAndre Hopkins wanted in a contract to try to
Speaker 1: be like that's why we traded him. It's not because
Speaker 1: I'm really mean to him and made Aaron Hernandez comments.
Speaker 1: It's because he wanted eighteen to twenty million. The whole
Speaker 1: world's like, wait, that's what he's worth. That's that's what
Speaker 1: receivers gast receiver in the league right now potentially now,
Speaker 1: So sorry, I side in a world, in a world
Speaker 1: where Bill O'Brien is not running a football team, I
Speaker 1: think would be back. Probably that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: But we have to replace him nonetheless, because he's not
Speaker 1: going to be wearing a star on the side of
Speaker 1: the helmet. I've got five guys in this draft, all
Speaker 1: from different parts of the draft that could be replacements
Speaker 1: all right now. Up in the first round, I have
Speaker 1: Jalen Raiger of TCU, And the reason why I put
Speaker 1: him there is because I didn't want to be a
Speaker 1: coward and say either one of the three guys that
Speaker 1: could be there, Henry Ruggs from Alabama, Jerry Judy from Alabama,
Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb from Oklahoma. I don't want to bank
Speaker 1: on the fact that one of those three guys is
Speaker 1: going to be there. So I put Jalen Reagor because
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get Rigor at fifty one, I really
Speaker 1: don't think so. Do you think he's worth seventeen potentially Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think he's that good and I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation. I think this debate prior, but
Speaker 1: I think he could be good enough to be up
Speaker 1: at seventeen if that's where you're willing to take a guy.
Speaker 1: I've got kJ Hamler from Penn State in the second round.
Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden Junior out of Kentucky, guy who really reminds
Speaker 1: me of Randall Cobb when you watch his Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: told me himself in November, he was like, he's the
Speaker 1: best Kentucky football player ever. Wow. And I was like,
Speaker 1: that's that's high praise coming from one of the best
Speaker 1: Kentucky football players ever, even though like the best because
Speaker 1: of the situation just in Jenna, I mean because he
Speaker 1: moved to quarterback, even to quarterback and like didn't miss
Speaker 1: a beat. Like the offense was insane. It's little yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's not a wide receiver, he's a high school quarterback.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Limboden Junior also just kind
Speaker 1: of a Swiss Army nine. If he's he's very reliable,
Speaker 1: much like Randall Cob. And then I have Devin DuVernay
Speaker 1: as an early day three guy. That's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a stretch for me to say he's early day three.
Speaker 1: I think he could go as high as the third round,
Speaker 1: but he could fall to the fourth. And if he's there,
Speaker 1: then I'll say that maybe he was the guy that
Speaker 1: was left off of this long list of wide receivers
Speaker 1: and then late day three of James Prochet out of SMU.
Speaker 1: Which guy out of these five do you guys like
Speaker 1: the most in terms of the Cowboys replacing Randall cop
Speaker 1: I like the best player the most. I'll take Gregor.
Speaker 1: But we're combining a play at the position, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think this is obviously an awesome segment idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. Did you on a YouTube? Oh
Speaker 1: did you really check that? Uh? No, no, no, because
Speaker 1: I think that's no. It's the thing that makes the
Speaker 1: most sense right now, is it does? Where in the draft?
Speaker 1: And which name do you like? And amongst those ones,
Speaker 1: I would probably say Hamler in the second yeah, or
Speaker 1: I would have guessed you'd be out on Hamdler. I
Speaker 1: like Hammler. I just I have other names I want
Speaker 1: to throw in there. kJ Hill at Ohio State didn't
Speaker 1: have a good combine, but he's still up there. Get
Speaker 1: a bad combine, and I would still take him in
Speaker 1: the third, and I'd love him in the four. I
Speaker 1: was going to throw out Hill for the same reason
Speaker 1: is if you can get him at one twenty three,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could plug and play kJ Hill. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the reason I like Hammler is just because he's the
Speaker 1: only one of that group, maybe DuVernay to some extent
Speaker 1: where you can say, Okay, Mary Cooper's a bigger threat,
Speaker 1: and Michael Gallup's a bigger threat, but you still have
Speaker 1: to know where is kJ Hammler because because if he
Speaker 1: don't subject the fact that he can run by you
Speaker 1: at any moment, then your defense is in trouble. And
Speaker 1: I think adding that l it's like it's like what
Speaker 1: Will Fuller does for Houston, the splits for Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: When Will Fueler's on or off the field, the splits
Speaker 1: are much bigger than when DeAndre Hopkins was on or
Speaker 1: off the field, because teams have to respect that speed.
Speaker 1: You got to you have to be afraid of it.
Speaker 1: And so Handler, I'm interested in a lot, maybe at
Speaker 1: fifty one, how good of a route runner is Handler
Speaker 1: compared to Devin DuVernay, because DuVernay is not your I
Speaker 1: don't think the runner. I don't think du Rene is
Speaker 1: a good route round. I don't think so either. I
Speaker 1: think he rounds it up a little bit, and I
Speaker 1: think he's a straight line guy. Yeah. And is Handler
Speaker 1: a better route rounder though, Yeah. Handler is one of
Speaker 1: those guys that when you watch him on tape, if
Speaker 1: if it's one guy trying to stay in front of him,
Speaker 1: you can't like the acceleration, the speed, just the physical tools.
Speaker 1: They're different. Duverne is fast too, but he's going to
Speaker 1: run you over. He's not going to be able to
Speaker 1: really routch you up. He gets to it Texas because
Speaker 1: you get so many free releases where he can kind
Speaker 1: of stem a guy and then break and he can
Speaker 1: do that. But in terms of lateral agility as a
Speaker 1: route runner, Handler's got it, and I don't think Duvernaid does.
Speaker 1: My big difference in those two guy to me, aside
Speaker 1: from the route running you're talking about, is that Dubnat
Speaker 1: catches everything that's thrown at him and hamdwar does not.
Speaker 1: Right hand, there's a little bit of a body catcher
Speaker 1: in the questions a small guy, and yeah, and there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of handware that makes you go, y'all
Speaker 1: are killing me, because this is why I didn't think
Speaker 1: you were gonna talk like handler. Sorry, finish your finish
Speaker 1: your thought. Well. The Duberna brings a little more in
Speaker 1: terms of toughness, catching everything, some of those things. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is kind of a mixture both of these
Speaker 1: guys kind of a mixture of what Randall Cop brought
Speaker 1: because Randall Cop had some drops in terms of the
Speaker 1: toughness and the attitude that you want and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: like Dubna's got that. So I just don't want to
Speaker 1: take the guy later. I don't want to draft a
Speaker 1: really unpolished, fast guy. That's all that's fair in the
Speaker 1: second round. Yeah, in the fourth round, sure, because can
Speaker 1: I dangle John how high tower from Day three is
Speaker 1: when traits take over. But like with a top one
Speaker 1: hundred pick, I want a more polished product. That's why,
Speaker 1: like kJ Hill, I think he's the best slot route
Speaker 1: runner in the quest. I agree, he's not a good athlete.
Speaker 1: He's not big, he's not super fast. He runs great
Speaker 1: routes and gets open from the slot and catches, and
Speaker 1: I think Lynn Bowden Junior is fascinating, and I think
Speaker 1: he's under the radar in this very crowded class for
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. One and he's been dealing with
Speaker 1: an injury that's kept him from working out. And that
Speaker 1: I mean obviously now with all the quarantine, it's totally different.
Speaker 1: On top of that, there's not a lot of tape
Speaker 1: of him playing wide receiver in twenty nineteen, So it's
Speaker 1: a problem. It's a problem, But like I'm I'm just
Speaker 1: willing to take a chance on his and just usefulness,
Speaker 1: like like Kyle called him a Swiss army knife. He
Speaker 1: played quarterback at Kentucky, did not stop their offense from
Speaker 1: being extremely effective. He was unbelievably reliable for the wild Kids.
Speaker 1: Got speed, he can carry the ball, he runs like
Speaker 1: a running back, he's got good vision. I'll at whatever,
Speaker 1: and he's the guy that's just better at sports than
Speaker 1: all of us. Yes, Mike McCarthy talked about play whatever.
Speaker 1: One of the nineteen things. One of the nineteen clues
Speaker 1: we got that made us think Randall cop might be
Speaker 1: coming back was Mike McCarthy going on and on about
Speaker 1: how he liked to use Randall in the backfield and
Speaker 1: his quarterback experience made him useful for this and that
Speaker 1: and the other. It's a it's maybe it's a lazy
Speaker 1: comparison because they both went to Kentucky, But I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Like I think they're very similar players, you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing is is I put him on this list,
Speaker 1: and I completely it escaped my mind whenever I was
Speaker 1: making it. That also Randall Cobb went to Kentucky because
Speaker 1: I was just looking for a guy to replace Randall Cobb.
Speaker 1: So as much as you could really say it's a
Speaker 1: lazy comparison, just because or there's very similar quarterbacks, can
Speaker 1: play in the slot, very athletic, good reliable, move out
Speaker 1: of the backfield, move all over the formation. I'd be
Speaker 1: ecstatic to draft that guy third round. I don't have
Speaker 1: a good grasp on his range. Again, I'm thinking three
Speaker 1: through fifth, and I think I don't think he goes
Speaker 1: in the top two rounds for sure. No, I've I've
Speaker 1: had a scout tell me that he could be a
Speaker 1: second round pick. Yes, that's I mean with this, I
Speaker 1: know I would. I think if he's there in the
Speaker 1: third round, i'd be thrilled. But I yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have a good grasp on it. But I think he's
Speaker 1: a great player. So, man, who did you wait, Katie,
Speaker 1: did you actually give a player? Did you say out
Speaker 1: there John high Tower Tower? But of Boise State, someone
Speaker 1: who's not on your list, okay, just because they hate
Speaker 1: the boys state background. But he is a matchup guy.
Speaker 1: He's a mismatch guy. He's a speed guy. He's a
Speaker 1: guy who's gotta win earlier in the route because he's
Speaker 1: not very strong when he's going up. And you know,
Speaker 1: press coverage and things like that. But the jet sweep
Speaker 1: elements and things like that that McCarthy does like to
Speaker 1: use in his offense and Kellen does like to use
Speaker 1: in his offense. He's very good at that. He's a
Speaker 1: guy you can hand the ball too, and things like that,
Speaker 1: so also return value. So high Tower is an interesting player.
Speaker 1: But again, I know I chose a guy who's not
Speaker 1: on your list. Right there, DuVernay to me, right there,
Speaker 1: I love kJ Hilbert. Dude, isn't his Rangelet doesn't it
Speaker 1: feel like his range is like right in between where
Speaker 1: the cowboy will be picking in the things you say that,
Speaker 1: I mean, it breaks my heart that we can't really
Speaker 1: talk about justin Jefferson. But I don't not super realistic
Speaker 1: at seventeen, but definitely won't be there at fifty one.
Speaker 1: I'd love at fifty one. I don't want him at
Speaker 1: seventeen exactly. Um, I guess you can't rule out the
Speaker 1: possibility that they addressed this in free agency. I think
Speaker 1: our friend Jane Slater linking Emmanuel Sanders to the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this morning. We'll see, but so much since he's got,
Speaker 1: you know, bad knee. But if you could get him
Speaker 1: on the Randall Cob deal one million, one year, eight million,
Speaker 1: depending on the size of the deal. But man, there's
Speaker 1: just so many good receivers to be had in this draft.
Speaker 1: But I mean signing sign Emmanuel Sanders or draft a
Speaker 1: free agent drafted wide receiver. I'd rather draft a guy,
Speaker 1: although if you could sign a veteran to a very
Speaker 1: friendly deal like they did with Randall Cobb, wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: stop you from drafting somebody either to both. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do want them to fill the need before the draft.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to go into a draft heating
Speaker 1: to find a slot you have to get a slot receiver.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a little bit silly, But
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you have to go Emmanuel Sanders. There
Speaker 1: could be a lower level to it. If there's a
Speaker 1: position where you could plug and play, it's probably this thing.
Speaker 1: And I mean that's tricky because receivers so hard to
Speaker 1: adjust to and used a lot of late round picks
Speaker 1: and receivers and haven't haven't had anything. Noah Brown ain't
Speaker 1: doing a whole lot. Cedric Wilson, No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 1: Tavon two could be Danny Cole. This is a little bit.
Speaker 1: I couldn't go back some mere Matt Johnson at safety.
Speaker 1: Remember that Matt Johnson. I remember got a pick in
Speaker 1: practice and then limped to the trainers same play, the
Speaker 1: most Matt Johnson thing of all time. Out from Matt Well,
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