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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not come to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heart Radio. So it

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Speaker 1: is time for this month's edition of feminist Movie Friday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it is going to be slightly different. First of all,

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Speaker 1: it comes with a spoiler alert because we're going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about the very recent movie Everything Everywhere, All

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Speaker 1: at Once, which just came out on streaming. Though I

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Speaker 1: believe you had to buy it, which I did. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I could be wrong, but I did buy any

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Speaker 1: just like what I'm like, if I love a movie enough,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I take it. And as I told Samantha,

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Speaker 1: this movie is sort of hard to spoil. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to explain. However, I did do it, so I guess

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Speaker 1: if you really don't want to be spoiled, I it

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Speaker 1: will spoil you. I mean since we're talking in detail. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but it's still worth watching all yes, um, And if

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Speaker 1: unless there's a reason you can't go to the theater

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Speaker 1: or rent it, which I know that exists and I

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Speaker 1: get that so absolutely. But if you're not limited and

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Speaker 1: are privileged enough to go to or see it, you

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Speaker 1: need to right now, stop this right now, plastic. You

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Speaker 1: can watch it and can then come back. Please come back,

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Speaker 1: don't don't abandon us. Come back. Yes, And we were

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Speaker 1: fortunately enough to seed in theaters. I actually saw theaters.

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Speaker 1: Was because she went without me. I feel betrayed. I did,

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Speaker 1: but I admitted it to you. And I have some

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Speaker 1: friends who I would have tried to lie to you

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Speaker 1: they're not listening. But now start to be suspicious. Was

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Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure I've told you. But I admitted it,

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Speaker 1: so that's a show of trust. But we did go

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Speaker 1: see it in theaters. There was a bit of a

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Speaker 1: snaff who with the seating situation. Oh man, I got

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Speaker 1: but other than that, it was a pretty excellent theater

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Speaker 1: experience in terms of, like, this is a great movie

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Speaker 1: to see in theaters. Um I did. There was a

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Speaker 1: trailer for it for another a movie, Men, which I

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Speaker 1: have now seen. You I have, Yes, I have, and

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Speaker 1: the teenagers as you call them, behind us teenagers they

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Speaker 1: they said, is that a movie just about our men? Suck? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My favorite part was like it's like one girl to

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about that movie, but I've heard not

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Speaker 1: So definitely go look that out. There's so much out

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Speaker 1: So everything everywhere, all at once is a two American

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Speaker 1: But I would say under all of that is a stylistic,

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Speaker 1: this is a very unique take on it. So I

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Speaker 1: think they were good. They were good. It stars Michelle

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Speaker 1: Yo as Chinese American immigrant Evelyn Wong in a role

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Speaker 1: originally written for Jackie chan Um, Stephanie Sue as her daughter,

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Speaker 1: of Jenny Slate and Harry Sham Jr. It was critically

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Speaker 1: pretty good alright, So the pot Uh It's separated into

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Speaker 1: the pushes is that he had pretty much disowned her

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00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: because she refused to follow his advice and his uh

423
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: the parents advice, and so he pretty much cut her

424
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: off until he got sick and had to move in

425
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: with her and all that. They hug and next we

426
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: see them. The family seems to be healing as they

427
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: returned to the I r S Office, driven by Becky,

428
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: who Evelyn informs needs to grow out her hair because

429
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: it's too short. Obviously, um. Evelyn kisses Wayman. During their

430
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: meeting with Dear Jazz. She is distracted for a moment

431
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: about all the universes, but pulls back focusing on the

432
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: moment end. Yes, yes, and there was a fake out ending. Yeah,

433
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: there was a couple of fake out endings, like she

434
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: died and that was the end of it. And then

435
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: she wakes up in the movie theater. Yep, so that

436
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: was the actual end um. And yes, it is very

437
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: visually arresting, very like there are a lot of stills

438
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: and butt plugs. Costuming is amazing. It's being creative, like

439
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a an experience for the senses. Definitely. Yes,

440
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: lots of play on things. I do Once again, like

441
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: I feel like Women's character was specific to bring the

442
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: child like portion into it, whether it's the googly eyes again,

443
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: whether it's the Fannie pack, any of those things. Obviously,

444
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: he's the one that's asking for a divorce, but he's

445
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: that kind of the one that pulls her back to

446
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: the reality and she pulls Joy with her. Yeah. Yeah,

447
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's sort of how they at the end

448
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: when Joy Joe, he was like trying to get into everything. Bagel,

449
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: Evelyn was holding her back, Wayman was holding Evelyn back,

450
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: and then Gong Gong was holding Wayman back. So it

451
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: was took all of them to bring her back. It's

452
00:27:50,200 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: pretty good. It's pretty good. So some themes again, like

453
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: there's so much written about this movie, so we're just

454
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: going to touch on some stuff, but there's so much

455
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: out there, and if you want to read it, I

456
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: recommend it a lot of it's very heartwarming. Yeah. So

457
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: A big one is yes, the mother daughter relationship, which

458
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: is fascinating because we have been talking about this a

459
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: lot lately. Uh And I even saw an article before

460
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: we decided to do this movie. Um so I haven't

461
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to find it again, but I saw

462
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: an article that was like the newest trend in Hollywood,

463
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: parents apologizing to their children, especially in the context of

464
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: multigenerational immigrant families in Western countries. So we talked about

465
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: that with Turning Red. H we talked about a little

466
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: bit when we did our our touch on Conto, but

467
00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: it has definitely been a thing lately for sure, right

468
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: And I wonder, like, obviously the people who came out going,

469
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: I was sobbing, No one warn me. Why didn't you

470
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: tell me that I would be ugly crying because I

471
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: didn't want to be at in public crying like this.

472
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: But I wonder if things like this, for movies like this,

473
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 1: as well as Turning Red, as well as in Kanto,

474
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: it's really a therapeutic for the families to see it

475
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: because maybe they have not gotten it and wished for it.

476
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: And that's what part that the writers are pouring into

477
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: because they themselves are experiencing and wishing for that, and

478
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: they know how universal it is. And though we're looking

479
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: at a world of so many things, what we see

480
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: is an attack on female relationships a lot of times anyway,

481
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: when we see this whole undermining of of women altogether

482
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: and those who identify as women in general, like it

483
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: is an obvious thing. Maybe this is such an open

484
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: spot that this is how people are ringing it out

485
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: therapeutically by the relationships that they have. And I hope

486
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: this is true. I hope this is exactly what it is.

487
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Especially right now in the quick community. It's like a

488
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: double with me of trying to find acceptance in the world,

489
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: hoping to find acceptance with those who love them the most,

490
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: those who have raised them, whatever it may be, whether

491
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: you're they are trams or coming out or any of

492
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: those things. That this is such a raw moment in

493
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: time that it has become bigger and bigger and bigger.

494
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: And since the first I don't know who would be

495
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: our first as of recent that has decided to to

496
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: uh jump into the mother daughter relationship. I don't know.

497
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: But since that has been realized. Oh oh, this is needed,

498
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: this is the therapy people are needing. Yeah, well, I

499
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of thoughts about that Number one. As

500
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, I am working on an episode for my

501
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: birthday that is no surprised about Star Wars. But I

502
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: have a whole theory about what you're talking about about,

503
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: like people trying to like writing this thing and basically

504
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: trying to provide themselves therapy. But that doesn't mean it's

505
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: like not useful because people a lot of people experience

506
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: those things and that's how we connect through these stories.

507
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: And then I forgot to mention like Benda, like Beckham

508
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: also had something like this going on. So it's been around.

509
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: It's not like it's new. I just think it's right

510
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: now super popular. But also last night I watched Miss Marvel,

511
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: which is one of my very favorite comics, and it

512
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: had a similar thing, and I was like, what's happening here?

513
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: It is it's such a relational thing, like the not

514
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: that father's sons are not important, but we've kind of

515
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: gone passed to what is happening now with the ladies

516
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: a little, the women who are struggling. We're being attacked

517
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: from all ages, what's the what's the way maybe we

518
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: feel a little more safe if we had that bond

519
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: here we go, right yeah, yeah, oh gosh, I think

520
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this in an upcoming book club.

521
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: But also just sort of the the way we as

522
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: women can hurt other women, right yeah, which is something

523
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about in a second. But

524
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: also I did find it interesting because I don't really

525
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: put this together, but one of the articles I was

526
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: reading pointed out that and all of the other universes

527
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: we see other than the Alpha one, Evelyn doesn't have Joy.

528
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: She's only in those two that you see it. And

529
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: so it's sort of like the mirror of you pushed

530
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: her too hard, you pushed her towards this, and then

531
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: this sort of I don't want to say normal, the one,

532
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: the Evelyn, the Evelyn we are going through the story

533
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: with her universe, she has that moment of like pulling

534
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: her back and stopping pushing um. So I thought that

535
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: was really interesting. There was that whole thing of like

536
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Joy tells Becky, Evelyn has this thing of like if

537
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: she criticizes you, that's how she shows she cares. Right,

538
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: So when she says Joy is getting fat. It's a

539
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: way of showing she cares. At the end when she says, Becky,

540
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: you need to cut your hair short, is supposed to

541
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: be a way of showing she cares. But it's also like,

542
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's come up a lot, and these

543
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: stories to have sort of the critical maternal figure, whether

544
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: it's the grandmother or the mother, but are both um

545
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: sort of the criticism that is often a push to

546
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: do better, to be that everything Bagel, to go out

547
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: and be more than I I was. Yeah, I mean

548
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: there's definitely that conversation of yeah, I don't want this

549
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: life for you, my life for you. I want your

550
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: to have your life, which again is a bigger conversation

551
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: about it. And I mean we've seen it culturally, we've

552
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: seen it being talked about, especially in Asian cultures, that

553
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: being a thing, you know, to the point that became

554
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: a stereotype obviously, but I think it is interesting. Yeah,

555
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: that the whole criticism. I always say, from my perspective,

556
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: if I'm not making fun of you, that means I

557
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: don't love you, which it's just like, oh, that's probably

558
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: not a good thing. But at the same time, like

559
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: I show loved by m hmm, being a jack sometimes

560
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: sometimes I think for you though, I mean a lot

561
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: of friends do that where you feel comfortable enough, like

562
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: teasing them. It can. Family can be so tricky, and

563
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: so can friendships. But I feel like in friendships a

564
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: lot of times, as long as it's within good nature,

565
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: uh not that sort of toxic, backhanded friendship stuff, then yeah,

566
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's fun to do. I did hear they

567
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: were going to remove calling Jenny Slate's character big Nose

568
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: from the digital version because of negative Jewish stereotise, but

569
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: it was still in it when I watched it, so

570
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Really, yeah, I was not gonna lie.

571
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: That one made me go, uh so this was I

572
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: don't understand who wrote this and thought it was okay. Um.

573
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any complaints about it, necessarily by individuals,

574
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I also when I

575
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: was watching, I was like, woof. But I hadn't heard

576
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: that until I was researching it. So we'll see, Peop'll

577
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: see how that goes to a lesser extent. I mean,

578
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: it's a huge part of the movie, it's just not

579
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: the main focus is is Evelyn's relationship with her father,

580
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: and as we've kind of been talking about about how

581
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: her father uh disowned Evelyn because she wanted to be

582
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: with Waymond and how that impacts Evelyn and how she

583
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 1: treats Joy and how she wants try to act around

584
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: Gongong um sort of this whole cyclical mess um. The

585
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: language barrier between Joy and Gong Gong is a pretty

586
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: big factor throughout this um. Also, every time I watch it,

587
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: the line I'm sorry it's a girl when Evelyn is

588
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: born catches my attention. Oh yeah, yeah, and then yeah,

589
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean you see throughout the movie, you see kind

590
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: of flashbacks of Evelyn being young and Joy being young,

591
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: and they're very similar in a lot of ways. But

592
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: definitely Gongo pushed Evelyn really really hard and critiqued her

593
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: very very hard, and she rebelled just like Joy. And

594
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: at the end Evelyn tells Gong like she's just like

595
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: her mother. Also, yeah, like we said that kind of

596
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: putting all of your hopes and dreams into a child

597
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: and everything Bagel like putting everything on there and it

598
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: sort of collapses in on itself. And so when this

599
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: is gonna sound strange if you haven't seen it, but

600
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: when Joyce shows Evelyn to everything Bagle. She does sort

601
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: of like this church church people's people like the fingered

602
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: church thing. Yeah, that finger trick that young kids would do,

603
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: be like, look, this is like a vagina. And so

604
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: that's why when I was watching it, I was like,

605
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: it does kind of look like that. And then I

606
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: was like, this is like birthing of universes? And am

607
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: I reading too deep on it? I couldn't find anything

608
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: about it. But I feel like they knew what they

609
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: were doing. It sounds about right, yeah, And then I

610
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: couldn't really find I saw this article and I read it.

611
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I skimmed through it probably a month or so ago,

612
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: and it was about the drudgery of motherhood and how

613
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: this movie does a really good job of kind of

614
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: capturing the days where you're you are thinking like I

615
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: wish I was in another universe where I just wasn't

616
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: my life, but it also does capture really well the

617
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: importance of the days where you don't wish that. Uh.

618
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: And there's a great interview I think with NPR MICHELLEO

619
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: did where she's like the superpower of her is she's

620
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: a mom and she's running this business and she's in

621
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: this religion like all the stuff she's doing. So I

622
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. I think basically what people were

623
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: saying was this It was a really, like you said,

624
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: realistic portrayal m of sort of all the stuff a

625
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of us have to do. And I'm not even

626
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: a mom, but like just that every day stuff and

627
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: adding the mom and the business and all that stuff

628
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: to it. Yeah. Right, but yes, as this comes out,

629
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: it is Pride month, and so we did want to

630
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: talk about queer relationships. And you know, the big one

631
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: is between Joy and Becky, who again have been dating

632
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: for three years and they're very very sweet together. Um,

633
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: and we get to see Becky being very supportive of Joy.

634
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Joy it's very supportive Becky, but that's sort

635
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: of not what we're getting to see in this family

636
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: drama part right, Yeah, and there you know, Joy is

637
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: trying to like, you know, we've been dating long enough,

638
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: Can I bring Becky to this party as my girlfriend

639
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: not my friend? Is at the heart of a lot

640
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: of the drama that we see in this particular universe. Yeah,

641
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep track of all of the universe

642
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: is here, but yeah, it's obviously a big part of

643
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: the acceptance that she feels like she's not enough for

644
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: her mother already and not accepting her a big part

645
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: of her life or relationship with the love of her life.

646
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was definitely a big key point kind

647
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: of the push as of like, if you don't accept me,

648
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: this might be over. It felt like a finalized, uh

649
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: this or that type of moment, including with the bagel,

650
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: Like I think it's like, that's a bigger picture, and

651
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: then the smaller picture was this relationship and my acceptance

652
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: and your acceptance of my family, and part of that

653
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: acceptance is acknowledging that it is. It's a relationship and

654
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: it's for real. Yeah, and I love the bit at

655
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the end where she she Evilyn looks at Wayman is

656
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: like the universe was kind enough to grant us someone

657
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: who was patient and loving, and that's I thought that

658
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: was very sweet. That part does make me kind of

659
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 1: nervous though, just because like coming out to family, because

660
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: Joy keeps trying to get away and she's like, no,

661
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: we're finally going to tell Gongang, which I totally get

662
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: because in the beginning Jor was like, we have to

663
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: tell Gong gong Um. But I was just like, oh,

664
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: this is tense, right. I don't know what the best

665
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: way too to do it would have I mean, if

666
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: Joy would have done it, or if it was too late.

667
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, because it felt like Evelyn was like, no,

668
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm putting the I'm standing up for you. I'm gonna

669
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: say it. I'm gonna tell my father what's what and

670
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: Joy was like, oh gosh, please don't do this right,

671
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 1: not at my expense. And also there is this line

672
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: when Evelyn realizes that joe Bu Tapaki is Joy, she

673
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: views it as like joys being possessed. Uh. And she

674
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: says to Joebu Tepak, like, is that why she thinks

675
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: she's gay? Um? So that was she had a long

676
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: way to go and understanding her daughter and her depression

677
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: and her queerness and all of that, uh, which I

678
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: think is a lot a lot of people do think

679
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: that way, whether it's depression or queener or what. But like,

680
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: that's something almost possessing you, Like, that's not my joy,

681
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: but it is. And also I just had a mentioned

682
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I do really love the Hot Dog Universe relationship between

683
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: her and dear Joy. I think it's super sweet. Um.

684
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: I love that in the beginning her weird her strange

685
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: things she had to do was like tell Dietrichs she

686
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: loved her and mean it and she's like, never there's

687
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: nothing to love. In the the end, do you just says, well,

688
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. A stone cold bitches make

689
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: the world go around. We're in lovable and it's like

690
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: there's always something to love. And then they smoked me together.

691
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I love that part. It's so cute. The relationship they

692
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: had was nice. The hot dog fingers was disturbing because

693
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: they eat each other's fingers, like that's the mom comes out,

694
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: ketchup comes out. Mm hmm. There's something so disturbing about that.

695
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: The relationship was beautiful and sweet, and it's sad when

696
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: they leaves her but then comes back and that it

697
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: comes happy. But yeah, the sexy moments were of them

698
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: eating each other's fingers. Yeah, and I I'm not gonna

699
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: lie made me uncomfortable, more uncomfortable than the butt plux scene. Yeah, yeah, interesting,

700
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: which is nothing wrong with butt plugs, but it was

701
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: quite I'm I'm more like that would hurt so bad

702
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: because it was like a running Also, they did it

703
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: with their pants on and I can't imagine that is

704
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: comfortable in eaty least way. Oh no, no, no, no,

705
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: because I had to go through jeans and underwhere anybody

706
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: who's listening to this as its students and yeah, yeah

707
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: that gets me every time because it's a running jump

708
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: cannonball situation. There's also as we've been talking about, and

709
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: we talked about this even with Bridget in our Sex

710
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: in the City episode, which I love. Uh, this whole

711
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: theme of like depression and the meaning of life, it

712
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: keeps coming up. Joe Buchepaki keeps saying that nothing means anything,

713
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 1: nothing matters, but Evelyn arrives it's sort of the opposite

714
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: conclusion that everything matters, like even the tiny because Joepaki

715
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: keeps saying, we get maybe for lucky specs to have

716
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: any meaning, and Evelyn interrves at the meaning that like,

717
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: then I will treasure every of those facts and it

718
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: all matters instead of nothing matters, which is very sweet. Um.

719
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I kind of have a similar view

720
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: for it, where I'm like, nothing matters, but it does

721
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: matter at the same time. I don't know if that

722
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: makes sense, but no it does. Yeah, that's the excidential

723
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: crisis to it. All which this movie is very much bad.

724
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I didn't mention that it is right right, And then

725
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: throughout there is this kind of running three point of

726
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: everyone missing the point. She keeps almost getting where her

727
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: daughter is coming from, but missing it. Like there's a

728
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: scene where she's like, I know you have these feelings inside.

729
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: I know you feel like you'll never do that whatever,

730
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: I will be Joeba like. But at the end she

731
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: she does get it. She arrives at it, and it's

732
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: they've just been looking for connection and understanding. Yeah. Right,

733
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: she arrives at it because she arrives at her own

734
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: feelings instead of projecting. And that's the big key. I actually,

735
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: here's a quote from Noel Webster at the Tricycle. Uh,

736
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: they say, everything everywhere, all at once. Is not a

737
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: movie about how to save the world. It's about understand it,

738
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: think how to be a part of it. Amidst the mayhem,

739
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: the film seems grounded in its core message about the

740
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: importance of human connection and cultivating compassion for all beings

741
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: throughout our confusing in permanent lives. Evelyn doesn't arrive at

742
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: these truths immediately. It takes a few action packed trips

743
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: across the multiverse first, but as she learns to cherish

744
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: even the most mundane moments of time with her family,

745
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: so does the audience. Yeah that's sort of what you're

746
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: talking about when she's like remembering all these things wayman does. Right, Yeah,

747
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: I should have judged that, Yeah right. I mean it

748
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: definitely is one of those moments of going through all

749
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: the versions of him and her trying to pick out

750
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: which one she would have rather been with and not

751
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: been with. Um. It's interesting to see and then her

752
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: pushing back like nothing matters, because she comes to that

753
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: point during it's like it doesn't matter, this doesn't matter,

754
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: nothing matters. I'll tell you everything is badly um, And

755
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: he's the one that's like, no, but that's not true.

756
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: Even if it wasn't great, I was still wanted to

757
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: not do great things with you. Yeah, launching and taxes.

758
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: M We're gonna talk more about that in a minute.

759
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: There's also this whole thing of MICHELLEO being an untraditional

760
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: superhero because she's an older Asian woman who's quite unconventional

761
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: in her skills superhero origin story in this movie, and

762
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: she's kind of everything. She's strong and weak, focused and

763
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: lost all at once. Yeah, and she gets to really shine,

764
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: she gets to as an actor, she gets to really

765
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: showcase her skills. It's awesome. Uh, she doesn't win all

766
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: the awards. I might be upset. I know it's pretty

767
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: early this season to say this, but I'm just saying.

768
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying. Uh. And then there is the whole

769
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: theme of Asian your can identity cultural divide because Evelyn

770
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: immigrated to the U s as an adult, Joy was

771
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: born in the US, and we see this divide in

772
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: small and large moments throughout, perhaps most clearly in language. Yeah.

773
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting because it's very um representative

774
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: of the first generation family as well. You'll see the

775
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 1: new children who come here are acclimated. They often can't speak.

776
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: And then we talked about this in crying and h

777
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: Mart can't speak Uh, their parents native language and they

778
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: can understand, which I've ran into and I didn't realize

779
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: was a thing. Uh. In my mind it was only

780
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: adoptees who have not been around it, and watching these

781
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: generational kids um of immigrants or refugees and sitting there saying, yeah,

782
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: I'm taking they were taking Korean with me because they

783
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: couldn't speak Korean they could understand it, and I found

784
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: that fascinating to it. I was like, really because they

785
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: were trying so hard to assimilate into the country and

786
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: not wanting to be uh and foreigner slash and outside her.

787
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: But it is it is very representative of that in

788
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: in a whole Yeah. Yeah, And there again are many

789
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: great articles about that specific aspect of this movie as well.

790
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Here is one quote from Very Well Mind. Navigating between

791
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: two cultures while never feeling completely at home and either

792
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: is referred to as a culturation stress, and it can

793
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: lead to a number of negative consequences. Leaning Lamb PhD

794
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: lecture and counseling psychology at Santa Clara University notes that

795
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: a culturation stress results in a pervasive sense of not

796
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: being understood, feeling invalidated, feeling invisible, of feeling like you

797
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: have to constantly hide a part of yourself. This can

798
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: result in an unstable sense of identity, as well as

799
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: feelings of guilt and shame, which in turn can lead

800
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: to mental health challenges including depression, anxiety, and suicidality. And

801
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: everything everywhere. The multiple identities assumed by Joebu Tapaki throughout

802
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the movie, including a softa dancer, a tennis pro, and

803
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: a multiversal goddess could be seen as a metaphor for

804
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: the way Joy has learned to move between cultures, as

805
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: her anger and sadness indicates she isn't happy in any

806
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: of them. So this was a whole article about the

807
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: like it was about the movie. Right, that's amazing. But

808
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know, that has a lot to be

809
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: said about the way that we don't get enough representation

810
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: and when we get it, we see it. And this

811
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: is one of those moments. And I say we as

812
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: in uh an Asian person living in the US. I

813
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: am technically in Asian American. I guess in a way

814
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't born in the U S or whatever. But

815
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: all of that to say is there's so much to

816
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: that whatever if you look different in general from the

817
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote norm of what that culture seems to be representing, whatever, whatnot,

818
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said in the underlying basis

819
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: of trying to assimilate under the pressures of once against

820
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: societal norms. And yeah, I think this is even better

821
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: when talking about a family of refugees coming through and

822
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: trying to hold onto their identa at the same time

823
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: find their own identity, and yeah, this movie was for

824
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: her trying to seek all of that, but trying to

825
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: please her family as well, but just wanted to give

826
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: up not caring. But it's hard not to care and

827
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: it makes you feel guilty so many things, everything everywhere.

828
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Um Uh. There is plenty of throu a racism throughout

829
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: the movie against Evelyn Uh and her family, and also

830
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: very clear signs that Evelyn doesn't feel like she's been

831
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: totally accepted into the community. Also interesting with Waymond being

832
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: both the sweet, goofy Fannie Packmaron kind of emasculated husband

833
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: in the alpha versus jumping version, and the actor again

834
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 1: very great interview I read with him saying like it

835
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: was such like he never thought as a fifty year

836
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: old I believe somewhere near fifty uh, he would get

837
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: to be because he's like the suave business person in

838
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: one he's the action star and one he's the like

839
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: husband and one um which I love. I love. Yeah,

840
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: his characters were so good, so diverse, and what he

841
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: did pop up as like in the Tuxedo, I was like,

842
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: oh wait, hello, yes, and he did like he studied

843
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: from what I already studied different animals, and he's like,

844
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be clear which Waymond we were

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Speaker 1: dealing with based on the way he moved and talked,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you did it. Did he

847
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: did so good? He did so good, so good. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of this leads us to our kind of final

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Speaker 1: thing that I had to include and you'll see what

850
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: so I know. So there is throughout like kindness and

851
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: the importance of kindness, and Wymond kind of being the

852
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: one who is like all about that. And at first

853
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: it's something Evelyn sees is um either our weakness or

854
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: like he's just making things more difficult for her, like

855
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Speaker 1: he's not. She doesn't understand why he brings Miss Diedrich cookies,

856
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: she doesn't understand why he like it's the clothe, the

857
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: drag cleaning where they're happy ERPs, like she doesn't understand

858
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: all of these things. She just sees them as sort

859
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: of an annoyance until the end she appreciates it. And

860
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's the whole theme between them of love

861
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: and divorce. And she has this line that's pretty painful,

862
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: or she says to alpha women like I can't wait

863
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: to show him how good my life is. Without him.

864
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: Um uh, the idea of the one because the like

865
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: every universe, even if they're not together, they're sort of

866
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: like in each other's orbits. Um. And then I would say,

867
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: like the grass is always greener on the other side,

868
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: all the could have beens that always look better when

869
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: you're not actually living that life. Um. And I think

870
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: it's also for evidence sort of really to blow self

871
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: esteem or looking down on yourself based on the choices

872
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: you've made and what you have or have not become,

873
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: and therefore the other people in your life get pulled

874
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: into that as well. Right, I mean there's definitely that comment,

875
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: like at the beginning when the Alpha wayman comes in,

876
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: he says you're the most unskilled essentially, that was like

877
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: how dare? But it's true? But she she she believed

878
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: it because yeah, she looked at these different stances of like,

879
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: oh I could have been a chef, which she wasn't

880
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: really a chef because yeah, but like she was one

881
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: of many and she wasn't as good as Raccoon Recco.

882
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: That really struggled with this word was at that point.

883
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: But like even the Hollywood version of like she was

884
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: alone in that level, like and she wondered when she

885
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: was what she was missing out on that level. But

886
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: there's so many things to that that I found interesting,

887
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: and she definitely does really well portraying because like I

888
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: don't know, did they ate her in that film, because

889
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm like this, Wow, like she looked beaten down, and

890
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: I know Cup is an amazing at all this, but

891
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: like even for her, she's not one of those people

892
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: I could ever see beaten down in any at least

893
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: way whatsoever. But like, yeah, that was her character, was

894
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: that she was already beaten down. This one universal was

895
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: just completely against hers. Yeah. Oh, I mean yeah, she

896
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: was definitely tired, tired, um, And I tried to put

897
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: together maybe this is for a revisit in the future,

898
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: but I tried to put together like because it's everything everywhere,

899
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: all at once, but it also seems to be saying

900
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: to me, you can't be you can't have it all. Yeah,

901
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: but the end is also you know, being presents in

902
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: a world full of distractions, when she's hearing all these

903
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: other universes, all these other things she could have done

904
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: or could be doing, choosing to be present in that moment.

905
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: But now I have to talk about the Simon roll

906
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: because this is an example of it. Um, Wymond is

907
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: an example of it, and like at the end when

908
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: he's giving his speech and like, this is it. Essentially

909
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: this is like a thesis statement on most uh So,

910
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: one of my favorite fan fiction descriptions of it is

911
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: the strength of choosing to be kind in the cruel

912
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: universe and Wayman is like, this is how I fight

913
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: with kindness. Like it's strategic, it's a purposeful choice of survival,

914
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: and I just love it. He's so sweet, he's so

915
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: adorable because he's just like always trying to make people

916
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: happy and kind of doing these goofy things. He's always

917
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: trying to make evil and happy. Um, it's very when

918
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: they have the flashbacks of their relationship, which again of

919
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: course he's asking for a divorce, hasn't always been good.

920
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: But those other part to me that I don't quite

921
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: understand is why does it ever explain that? I think

922
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: from the things I read he because in the beginning,

923
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: he's like, please, can we talk? Can we talk? Can

924
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 1: we talk? And she keeps me I think it was

925
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: sort of a last ditch I need to talk to you. Yeah,

926
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: that's maybe I'll rewatch it again and have a different

927
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: take for you. Um. And also, yeah, this importance of

928
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: seeking connection through other people and that's ultimately what Joebu

929
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: Tobaki wanted. Um, that's why she kept looking for Evelyn,

930
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: and that's how Evelyn saved the day. And yes, yes,

931
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: brought her back from the everything Bagel whole your true story,

932
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: it is absolutely true. Oh my gosh. If you have

933
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: not watched it and you listen to this episode, if

934
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: your interest is not Pete right now, but if you

935
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: also have not watched it and listen to this episode,

936
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: please send us an email and tell us what your

937
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: take of what you think we are saying, because I

938
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: would love it to hear an interpretation of what just happens.

939
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: I would do and then go watch it because it's great. Yeah. Yes,

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00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: well that's what we have to say for now. I

941
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Speaker 1: thought I thought we'll revisit this one in the future,

942
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: but uh, in the meantime, if you have any suggestions

943
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: for our future movie picks, please email them to us.

944
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: You can do so at Stuff and your mom Stuff

945
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: at I heart me dot com. You can find us

946
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: on Twitter at moms the podcast, or Instagram. And Stuff

947
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: will never sold you. Thanks as always to our super

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Speaker 1: producer Christina. Thank you Christina, and thanks to you for

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Speaker 1: listening stuff I never told you, protection of I Heart Radio.

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