Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey, bright Side Besties.
Speaker 2: Today on the show, we're getting organized with besties and
Speaker 2: business partners Clear Sharer and Joanna Teplin, aka the masterminds
Speaker 2: behind the Home Edit. They're telling us all about the
Speaker 2: blind date that started their friendship and empire, and they're
Speaker 2: giving us the lowdown on junk drawers. It's Monday, July First,
Speaker 2: I'm Simone Boyce, I'm.
Speaker 3: Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine, Simone.
Speaker 3: It's the start of a brand new week and the
Speaker 3: start of a new month. So I don't know about you,
Speaker 3: but I'm feeling motivated to start this Monday on the
Speaker 3: right foot.
Speaker 1: Feels like a fresh start, right.
Speaker 2: Yes, And what better way to kick off this new
Speaker 2: month than with on my mind Monday. So something that
Speaker 2: I came across recently that I can't stop thinking about
Speaker 2: is Jeremy Renner's interview on SmartLess.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 2: Tell me I haven't heard it, so you probably know
Speaker 2: that he a tragic snowplow incident, right and he was
Speaker 2: in the hospital recovering for many months from this. I
Speaker 2: think he's still in recovery as we speak. He actually
Speaker 2: died during this accident and then was resuscitated brought back
Speaker 2: to life.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Now, I know the topic of near death experiences might
Speaker 2: not sound very bright side. It sounds a little dark,
Speaker 2: but I'm really interested in what they reveal about life
Speaker 2: because I think we have a lot to learn from
Speaker 2: survivors who have gone through something like this. So in
Speaker 2: the interview, Jeremy said that he felt both exhilaration and
Speaker 2: an overwhelming piece in his final moments, like he was
Speaker 2: watching this replay of every single human connection he had
Speaker 2: ever made in his life. And I just thought that
Speaker 2: that was so profound. And this actually tracks with some
Speaker 2: research that I read about heart attack survivors. In one study,
Speaker 2: forty percent of them reported this flood of positive memories
Speaker 2: and experiencing a dream like state in those final moments,
Speaker 2: and doctors have actually been able to measure brain activity
Speaker 2: even as people are being brought back to life. So
Speaker 2: Jeremy is completely changed by this incident. He said that
Speaker 2: he's returning back to work and kind of like coming
Speaker 2: back down to earth with a renewed belief in the
Speaker 2: interconnectivity of life and of all of us, that we
Speaker 2: are all woven together in some way.
Speaker 1: Even if we can't see it, but he felt it.
Speaker 2: He really felt it in a tangible way because of
Speaker 2: this accident is so beautiful.
Speaker 3: There's this documentary on Netflix called Surviving Death that totally
Speaker 3: changed my idea about these types of moments. It's like
Speaker 3: ten episodes all following people who have had these kinds
Speaker 3: of moments, and it's wild to hear how similar their
Speaker 3: stories are, even though it's all a different experience. But
Speaker 3: the idea of human interconnectedness, I love that that's what
Speaker 3: he felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really got me thinking about human connection and
Speaker 2: how I can be seeking that every day in an
Speaker 2: intentional way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I just got back from my trip to Europe and
Speaker 2: I had an amazing time just wandering. Like I realized
Speaker 2: that I needed to reconnect with the little girl and
Speaker 2: me who loved to wander, and I hadn't been able
Speaker 2: to do that in many years because I've been taking
Speaker 2: care of my loved ones and my family for the
Speaker 2: past few years. But being in Paris for a few days,
Speaker 2: I stayed in this beautiful airbnb. It it was like
Speaker 2: in this perfect location. It was so beautifully curated and decorated,
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed those moments of peace that I had
Speaker 2: alone while I was staying there. Kind of felt like
Speaker 2: I got to be a Preisian for a moment and
Speaker 2: like try it on. But my trip was really punctuated
Speaker 2: by these moments of connection with friends who were there
Speaker 2: or family. My cousin Madeline was there, I got to
Speaker 2: see her, Blakelee, who's been on our show. I hung
Speaker 2: out with him a bunch. Those were just bright spots
Speaker 2: in my trip, and there was something really pure about
Speaker 2: those moments of connection because we were in a different place.
Speaker 2: We were removed from a lot of the distractions that
Speaker 2: plague my day to day life. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner's story just reinforce the power of community and connection.
Speaker 1: For me. It's something that's going to stick with me
Speaker 1: for a long time.
Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. I think I needed to hear
Speaker 3: that today too. It's interesting how the idea of death
Speaker 3: has us focus on how we want to live. And
Speaker 3: speaking of meaningful connections, our guests today are the embodiment
Speaker 3: of meaningful connections. Fellow Hello Sunshine besties Clea Shearer and
Speaker 3: Joanna Teplin. They're professional organizers and the founders of the
Speaker 3: Home Edit.
Speaker 1: They're organizing company.
Speaker 3: Plus they're authors of two New York Times bestselling books,
Speaker 3: The Home Edit State Organiz The Ultimate Guide to Making
Speaker 3: Systems stick, and The Home Edit Life, The No Guilt
Speaker 3: Guide to owning what you want and organizing Everything. They're
Speaker 3: also the hosts of the Netflix series Get Organized with
Speaker 3: the Home Edit, which is so fun to watch and
Speaker 3: I know it motivated all of us to clean out
Speaker 3: our closets and our drunk drawers.
Speaker 1: These two started The Home Edit in twenty fifteen, and
Speaker 1: by the spring of twenty twenty two, I mean, they
Speaker 1: were off to the races hell of Sunshine, acquired their company,
Speaker 1: and now they're the new co hosts of The Extreme
Speaker 1: Home Makeover Home Edition Reboot, which is coming soon to ABC.
Speaker 3: They're here now to tell us about their first meeting
Speaker 3: in Nashville, the ground rules for their friendship and business partnership,
Speaker 3: and if it's time to say goodbye to those shoe
Speaker 3: boxes in your closet.
Speaker 1: It's a millennial epidemic, folks.
Speaker 2: That's right after the break stick with us. Clia and Joanna.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the bright Side. Hi, thanks for having us.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome to friends and two friends. This is gonna
Speaker 3: be really fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3: Many of us know you both and of course your
Speaker 3: present day success, but I'm not sure everyone actually knows
Speaker 3: how it all began.
Speaker 1: How did you two meet each other?
Speaker 4: So a lot of people assume that Joanna and I
Speaker 4: have been friends forever and started a business together, and
Speaker 4: actually the opposite is true. We met through a friend,
Speaker 4: We went on like a blind friend lunch date, and
Speaker 4: went into business together that same day. So the day
Speaker 4: we met is the day we started the home edit.
Speaker 4: And we did not do background checks or google each
Speaker 4: other or do anything smart. The only thing that we
Speaker 4: did do that was smart was come up with our name,
Speaker 4: our logo, our social handles. We got our website domain,
Speaker 4: we started our legal paperwork, everything that same day. And
Speaker 4: you know, again we always say, don't do what we did,
Speaker 4: but it worked in.
Speaker 1: This one particular instance.
Speaker 4: Literally, I think within a day or two we were
Speaker 4: setting up bank accounts together.
Speaker 1: So no, it was insane. It was insane, not smart,
Speaker 1: not smart.
Speaker 5: I knew we were both insane when we were trying
Speaker 5: to set up this friendship date. I absolutely did not
Speaker 5: want a business partner, and I was unsure about having
Speaker 5: another friend. I'm just sort of a little bit of
Speaker 5: a loner these last ten years, I guess. And but
Speaker 5: the thing is is like, when I met Clea, we
Speaker 5: had the same story. We both had kids the exact
Speaker 5: same ages, and we both moved to Nashville sight unseen
Speaker 5: for our husband's jobs. And so I was like, well,
Speaker 5: she's impulsive, Like we are very similar, and so I'm like,
Speaker 5: I just knew we also we.
Speaker 4: Brought the same intensity to the conversation when we sat
Speaker 4: down to lunch. It was like we weren't like, so, like,
Speaker 4: what's your favorite vacation spot. We were like, now, what
Speaker 4: are your strengths and weaknesses? Anything duplicative, like tell me
Speaker 4: your talent, tell me where you're bad at. I mean,
Speaker 4: we just like we just got right into it. We
Speaker 4: waste no time.
Speaker 3: You were both asking the questions or was one person
Speaker 3: the question asker?
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, we both gotta love.
Speaker 4: It was a destined, faded lunch. It lasted four hours
Speaker 4: and that evening when we got home, we started setting
Speaker 4: everything up and texting back and forth to come up
Speaker 4: with you know, the name, the home edit.
Speaker 1: We went through a bunch of different.
Speaker 4: Scenarios and yeah, organizers are efficient, ladies.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's the bottom line should have known.
Speaker 5: The biggest surprise is that the friendship that came out
Speaker 5: of this. I mean, we could have been good business partners,
Speaker 5: but not the freat Like I always think the business
Speaker 5: is the most interesting because I truly believe the success
Speaker 5: of the business is our friendship and that piece couldn't
Speaker 5: have been foreseen.
Speaker 1: And I don't believe.
Speaker 5: That the business would have been successful if we were
Speaker 5: not as close of friends as we became.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the magic of it all.
Speaker 3: I hear this, and I want to know how, because
Speaker 3: I'm looking at you two, and I'm like, okay, the
Speaker 3: power of female friendship, But how did your friendship help
Speaker 3: amplify your business?
Speaker 1: It sustained it.
Speaker 4: We know a lot of duos in multiple different industries
Speaker 4: that ultimately fail because they didn't have the foundation of
Speaker 4: actual true friendship. And I think that you know that
Speaker 4: ends up showing after a certain amount of time. And
Speaker 4: Joanna and I spend an inordinate amount of time together,
Speaker 4: all of our lives together. Really, our homes that we
Speaker 4: moved into last year are six hundred steps away from
Speaker 4: each other.
Speaker 1: What, yes, we counted. We're insane. So your husbands get along? Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, our kids, everyone's family.
Speaker 4: And you know, I think that Joanna and I never
Speaker 4: could have been this successful if.
Speaker 1: We didn't love spending every minute together.
Speaker 4: And again like we spend every minute together and then
Speaker 4: choose to vacations together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's just lightning in a bottle, right,
Speaker 2: You guys made it work because there's something special about
Speaker 2: you two, and there's something special about the reaction that
Speaker 2: happened whenever YouTube came together. So I want to get
Speaker 2: the timeline straight a little bit. You launched your company
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. You start the company together after only
Speaker 2: knowing each other for a few hours. Take us back
Speaker 2: to the early days that followed. What did the home
Speaker 2: edit look like before it became the home edit that
Speaker 2: we know today.
Speaker 4: One of the things that I think is so integral
Speaker 4: to our early success is we both completely one hundred
Speaker 4: percent aligned on the fact that busy people are busy people.
Speaker 4: If you dive into work, it begets more work. And
Speaker 4: I have a social media background and a marketing background
Speaker 4: in general, and I was like, we need to work
Speaker 4: so that we have content, so that we can share content,
Speaker 4: so that it continues to spur more work and more
Speaker 4: business for us. So we started to reach out to friends, neighbors.
Speaker 1: I didn't even have any friends, but like, you know,
Speaker 1: people that I was just like recently in touch with.
Speaker 4: And we had one client very very very early on,
Speaker 4: like literal days from when we started.
Speaker 1: It was our very first job together.
Speaker 4: And you know, again everything was gelling, everything was working.
Speaker 4: Joanna had an organizing business in San Francisco and I
Speaker 4: had never done it professionally, but like, who knew what
Speaker 4: it would be like to actually organize together?
Speaker 5: Right, you could talk about a business, right, I think
Speaker 5: from this second we started. You know, things can fall
Speaker 5: apart quickly if you're not matched with work ethic And
Speaker 5: I think that the reason I never wanted to have
Speaker 5: a business partner. I had had multiple businesses in the past,
Speaker 5: and it never had ever dawned on me to have
Speaker 5: a business partner, because I how can you know if
Speaker 5: someone's going to put in the same effort that you're
Speaker 5: willing to put in, Like you just can't know these.
Speaker 1: Things group projects, Yeah.
Speaker 5: And it was shocking because that's something you just can't
Speaker 5: prepare for. Like someone can say yeah, yeah, I'm all in,
Speaker 5: until you guys.
Speaker 1: Are You're in the weeds.
Speaker 5: And we are literally under SYNCD filthy, exhausted, killing ourselves,
Speaker 5: breaking our backs daily, you know, just literally in it
Speaker 5: for the grind.
Speaker 1: You can't know.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, it's like every day the two
Speaker 5: of us both showed up every single day.
Speaker 1: We both showed up with the same level of energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, showing up paid off because in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: Hello Sunshine acquired your company. Can you give us the
Speaker 3: full real story, because this is fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: Yes, I will give you the full real story. I
Speaker 4: think it needs to start though. Just a couple months
Speaker 4: after we formed our business in August, I really thought
Speaker 4: that we had the biggest opportunity to grow our brand
Speaker 4: on Instagram. No other professional organizers were doing it at
Speaker 4: the time. Of course now everyone is, but no one
Speaker 4: was doing it then. And I grew up in Los Angeles,
Speaker 4: so I had a lot of high profile people in
Speaker 4: my network. I pitched to Joanna that we fly to
Speaker 4: LA This was in October of twenty fifteen, and I said,
Speaker 4: let's do projects for them in exchange for social post
Speaker 4: and that way we can really hit the ground running
Speaker 4: and start to grow our business in more ways than.
Speaker 1: Just on the ground.
Speaker 4: In Nashville, and that really changed the game of our business.
Speaker 4: From that moment on in October, we basically were in
Speaker 4: La every other month or every month for work, and
Speaker 4: celebrity projects just started to become kind of our thing,
Speaker 4: like who give.
Speaker 1: Us some names. Our first project was Christina Applegate.
Speaker 4: We did Selma Blair, Jamie King, Marla Sockloff, Constant Zimmer.
Speaker 1: We did a lot of like influencer people and you're
Speaker 1: not charging anything.
Speaker 4: They reimbursed us for product like at the container store, right,
Speaker 4: and we did the project and we would be able
Speaker 4: to take content, they would post it, we would post it,
Speaker 4: and it really started to like create a snowball effect.
Speaker 4: And then our first really big client was Gwyneth Paltrow.
Speaker 4: That was she started following us and Joanna and I
Speaker 4: just decided to shoot our shot and DM her and
Speaker 4: like all of a sudden, we were in LA pulling
Speaker 4: up to our house.
Speaker 1: And I was like, are they going to open the gate?
Speaker 1: Like are we sure that they're not allowed to be here? Wait?
Speaker 1: What did you guys write in the DM? I love
Speaker 1: a cold DM or cold email.
Speaker 4: It was a cold M and it was just like, Hi, Gwyneth,
Speaker 4: It's such an honor that you decided to follow us.
Speaker 4: We'd love to do a project for you. Anything you
Speaker 4: want in your home, we'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 4: Just we're just in your snow. Yeah, right by the way,
Speaker 4: we're outside actually yeah, And she wrote back, how lucky
Speaker 4: am I? That's literally her words, how lucky am I.
Speaker 5: We also had Mollie Sims early on too, Now that
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of that, Molly was before Gwyneth.
Speaker 4: I believe, yes, Mollie was a very early project. And
Speaker 4: one thing that really changed our business was the invention
Speaker 4: of Instagram Stories, and that allowed us to still show
Speaker 4: our beautiful projects on the feed, and we were actually
Speaker 4: able to have personalities, and we were able to show
Speaker 4: people who we are as friends, as crazy business partners,
Speaker 4: as literal weirdos, as all of the craziness in our life.
Speaker 4: That was kind of this really nice actually juxtaposition to perfection.
Speaker 4: We were like anything but and that's how Reese found us,
Speaker 4: and she thought that we were funny. At the time,
Speaker 4: Hella Sunshine was a channel on Direct TV, and so now,
Speaker 4: obviously Hello Sunshine is a humongous production company, but at
Speaker 4: the time they were looking to create premium content for
Speaker 4: their actual channel. And we decided to all make a
Speaker 4: show together with Molly Simms actually as one of our
Speaker 4: producers too, because Molly, when we were at her house,
Speaker 4: she was like, these crazy ladies are a TV show,
Speaker 4: And so we all kind of joined forces and created
Speaker 4: a series called Master the Mess, which was on the
Speaker 4: DirecTV channel and now is on YouTube. But we basically
Speaker 4: were able to take the success of Master the Mess,
Speaker 4: package it together and sell it to Netflix as a
Speaker 4: full series. So Reese found us on Instagram because of
Speaker 4: Instagram stories, and the combination with our work and our
Speaker 4: antics is how we.
Speaker 1: Have a show.
Speaker 3: So now thousands of homes across the country have rainbow
Speaker 3: colored organization, including my home.
Speaker 1: My bookshelf is an ode to you too. It is
Speaker 1: rainbow colored. Yes, it's quite legendary.
Speaker 2: From our remote interviews, everyone points it out.
Speaker 6: It's a fun show stopper, I gotta say. But it's
Speaker 6: so it's so you too. It's become sort of this
Speaker 6: calling card. Obviously you have so many products and do
Speaker 6: so much, but the rainbow is something that you guys
Speaker 6: are really known for. And as I was preparing for
Speaker 6: this conversation, I thought, how the hell did they take
Speaker 6: this one aesthetic and turn it into an empire, Like
Speaker 6: how did you guys figure this out?
Speaker 1: First of all, I was rainbow bright for Halloween, like
Speaker 1: for nine years in a row, so you live it.
Speaker 1: I have always been like.
Speaker 4: A rainbow girly. It's it's always been my thing. And
Speaker 4: when Joanna and I first joined forces, she had an
Speaker 4: organizing business prior, and she was very very into like
Speaker 4: the actual function of how everything worked, as of course
Speaker 4: she should. I mean, this is about organizing, after all.
Speaker 4: And I went to design school in New York, and
Speaker 4: my focus was about really like pumping up the esthetic
Speaker 4: to make it be instagrammable.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Again, organizing has been a profession forever, but people were
Speaker 4: using kind of like found items to contain things like
Speaker 4: shoe boxes or plastic tubs or whatever. And we wanted
Speaker 4: to make it really beautiful and really pop. And there
Speaker 4: were a couple things that I was dead said about,
Speaker 4: first of all, like creating kind of like a visual
Speaker 4: vocabulary for the way we organize versus other people. And
Speaker 4: I wanted to create a specific a labeling system that
Speaker 4: was kind of signature instead of using.
Speaker 1: A label maker.
Speaker 4: And organizing by the rainbow is what I've always done
Speaker 4: with my bookshelves, with my closet, with everything. Because the
Speaker 4: Rainbow method of organizing is actually a system, and it's
Speaker 4: a labeling system. It's just labeling things by color, putting
Speaker 4: them in place in color instead of putting them in
Speaker 4: place by like a word of a label. So again,
Speaker 4: if you're looking for a blue sweater, it's in the
Speaker 4: blue section.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to look very hard.
Speaker 4: And it really blends the functionality of organizing because it
Speaker 4: is a system with the esthetic value that we were
Speaker 4: going for. So everything kind of became, you know, our
Speaker 4: signature rainbow style, and I've always loved the rainbow.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad we were able to leverage it.
Speaker 2: Joanna, is there an organizing trait that was always your
Speaker 2: signature even before you started the home edit?
Speaker 5: To Clea's point, I was always obsessed with the functionality,
Speaker 5: like things have to make sense and they have to
Speaker 5: be you have to remove any barrier to entry for people.
Speaker 1: To actually keep the system up.
Speaker 5: So I was always on the hunt for like, Okay,
Speaker 5: if someone's tall, put something an eye level for them,
Speaker 5: not for you know, you have to think in a
Speaker 5: customizable way if someone's short, Like I always like to
Speaker 5: have stepstools all around my house.
Speaker 1: My whole family is short. It does not do any favors.
Speaker 5: For us not to have easy access to put things away,
Speaker 5: because you know what happens, people leave it on the counter.
Speaker 5: It's just thinking about it in those ways so that
Speaker 5: people can maintain the systems in easy, smart ways.
Speaker 4: Joanna and I were always really good at kind of
Speaker 4: like utilizing each other's individual talents and challenging each other
Speaker 4: to be Like Joanna's like, we need to make this smarter.
Speaker 4: Like it's it's it works and it's beautiful, but like
Speaker 4: we need to make it smarter, or I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is super functional, but like this, it doesn't look
Speaker 4: like the home edit. This doesn't look like the type
Speaker 4: of work that we should be putting out.
Speaker 3: Did you guys have any ground rules for your friendship
Speaker 3: or your business partnership, anything that you recommend to other people?
Speaker 4: First of all, I'll say Joanna and I have very
Speaker 4: little rules, like god forbid, Like you know, she's not
Speaker 4: like sitting on top of my head like any given moment, so.
Speaker 1: Like not a lot of boundaries there.
Speaker 4: We have one rule that I can think of, and
Speaker 4: it is if you hire a friend. If you want
Speaker 4: to bring a friend into this company, you have to
Speaker 4: be okay to fire them. You cannot, Like there's no
Speaker 4: allegiance other than this business. If you want to bring
Speaker 4: someone in because you think that they're going to be great, great,
Speaker 4: And we have hired multiple friends, but we've always stuck
Speaker 4: to that role good one. It's business at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, and we have to do it's best
Speaker 4: for the company.
Speaker 2: Do you guys ever fight like you There's no way
Speaker 2: you could have been working together for ten years and
Speaker 2: not navigate any conflict.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the honest truth.
Speaker 4: Hand to god, we've had under five fights in nine years.
Speaker 1: We bicker all the time. Just to be clear, we
Speaker 1: bicker all the time, but that's the way we just
Speaker 1: so you like old married couple bicker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're like sisters. So that's just like the way
Speaker 4: we talk to each other. But like we've had I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say, I think like two like actual fights. And
Speaker 4: the reason why we don't fight is because we know
Speaker 4: that neither one of us ever has any malice at all.
Speaker 4: So if we offend each other, if we do something
Speaker 4: to upset someone else, we can get over it extremely quickly,
Speaker 4: because if you can take away the fact that no
Speaker 4: one's ever intending to hurt your feelings, you can understand
Speaker 4: that things can happen that are just situational and you
Speaker 4: can just move beyond it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: The trust is so implicit that you remove all of
Speaker 5: that because there is no question of any integrity or
Speaker 5: anything real in the root of something. It's it's clearly
Speaker 5: it's always a misunderstanding, always, or it was a core judgment.
Speaker 1: You know, it was one or the other, and we're
Speaker 1: literally is no other.
Speaker 5: Answer, and so you get over things so fast because
Speaker 5: there's nothing to pick apart.
Speaker 1: It's just it was a misunderstanding. Word, it was a
Speaker 1: bad judgment the end. That's the thing.
Speaker 5: It's like you, it's sort of like a marriage in
Speaker 5: the sense that like, okay, the alternative we can either.
Speaker 1: Get divorced or we can figure this out, and those
Speaker 1: are the two options. Your fates are tied. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: for what like are We're just gonna stop around like this?
Speaker 1: It helps nobody.
Speaker 2: You two are a testament to the power of trust
Speaker 2: and true friendship and business. And I've learned so much
Speaker 2: hearing both of you share your origin story with us.
Speaker 2: So after the break, we want to pivot into some
Speaker 2: practical takeaways for the overwhelmed, busy people, especially moms out
Speaker 2: there like myself, who are trying to get and stay organized.
Speaker 1: That's up next. Stay with us and we're back.
Speaker 2: Okay, clean, Joanna, We have some rapid fire questions for
Speaker 2: you to help us get organized around the house. So first,
Speaker 2: what is your take on junk drawers. Are they actually
Speaker 2: possible to escape or is it just something that everyone has.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing. There's no such thing. That's what
Speaker 1: I was going to say. There's no such thing as
Speaker 1: a junk drawer. Okay, okay, tell me more. If there's
Speaker 1: junk in it, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 5: If it's a general drawer, then let's call it what
Speaker 5: it is, a general drawer.
Speaker 1: But let's have an intention for that drawer.
Speaker 4: Like it would be a household drawer, multipurpose drawer, general drawer.
Speaker 4: It has pens, it has you know, tape, it has
Speaker 4: your stamps, and you know it has like your basic
Speaker 4: things scissors.
Speaker 1: But if there's junk in it, well that's the problem.
Speaker 5: So it's reframing, that's right, and it's not to waste
Speaker 5: those spaces.
Speaker 1: Those are valuable spaces.
Speaker 5: I bet it's the top drawer and almost everyone's kitchen
Speaker 5: in America, So do not waste that real.
Speaker 1: Estate that is valuable.
Speaker 4: Calling it a junk drawer is disrespecting the value of
Speaker 4: the drawer.
Speaker 1: That's that's what we believe.
Speaker 3: I love your passion for organizing.
Speaker 1: It is contagious. I want to go home and fix
Speaker 1: my general drawer. There you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love some clear plastic bins as much as
Speaker 2: the next girl. But if someone out there can't afford
Speaker 2: to buy new bins for a space that they want
Speaker 2: to organize, do you have any tips as to how
Speaker 2: we can upcycle and still stay organized.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. What you can do is use found objects throughout
Speaker 5: the house. We in the past we have used like
Speaker 5: antique teacups as jewelry, like ringholders and bracelet holders. You
Speaker 5: can use any special item in your house to hold,
Speaker 5: you know, your favorite items.
Speaker 1: That's genius, thank you.
Speaker 3: I like like old iPhone boxes make great general drawer bins,
Speaker 3: like anything.
Speaker 1: That comes in the iPhone box. Okay, she's the expert.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to me. No, no, no, look here's my issue.
Speaker 4: It's not if you use them great, But we run
Speaker 4: into people's graves, save them of iPhone boxes and computer
Speaker 4: boxes that they think they're going to use, but don't use.
Speaker 1: No as dividers as divine. Yeah, it's dividers. That's great.
Speaker 1: You're safe if you use them. Amazing. Just don't keep
Speaker 1: them thinking you're going.
Speaker 4: To use them, because now you have a cabinet full
Speaker 4: of empty boxes that you're like, are imagining you're going
Speaker 4: to use.
Speaker 1: If you use them, more power to you.
Speaker 4: We have like a list of things that are just
Speaker 4: all like we find all the time.
Speaker 1: You're triggered by them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, saving things that you may use is costing you money.
Speaker 5: I mean it's taking up space and you're paying your
Speaker 5: rent or mortgage for that space. And so that's where
Speaker 5: we can't wrap our head around. People hold on to
Speaker 5: things forever, like things in the kitchen that they never use.
Speaker 1: They got it for a wedding.
Speaker 4: If you got an ice cream maker for your wedding,
Speaker 4: if you haven't made ice cream, it's time to pass
Speaker 4: it on.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, takes them a lot of space, a lot
Speaker 5: of you could be using in that space.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, fon, dupots, Come on.
Speaker 2: Is there a time frame that you give people like,
Speaker 2: if you haven't used this in three months, throw it out.
Speaker 1: It depends on what it is item. Okay, it depends
Speaker 1: on the item.
Speaker 4: I would say in my most generous I will give
Speaker 4: someone a year.
Speaker 5: Well, and the other piece too, which goes for anybody
Speaker 5: in a small place or a big place. But you,
Speaker 5: I always say, this is the first thing I say
Speaker 5: to anybody. I don't know if I should get rid
Speaker 5: of it. You either get the item or you get
Speaker 5: the space. So at some point the space will tell
Speaker 5: you you're too full, and you have to make the
Speaker 5: choice do you want any space between each hangar? Like
Speaker 5: do you want breathing room in case you see something
Speaker 5: out when you're shopping, or do you want it to
Speaker 5: be crammed to the gills, And so you're like can
Speaker 5: barely open your closet door that morning. You have to
Speaker 5: make those decisions every single day of this. I'll give
Speaker 5: one caveat. I wouldn't ever start in a closet too,
Speaker 5: because that you run into a separate issue, which is
Speaker 5: emotional landmines, and that can detract you and totally disrupt
Speaker 5: the flow of understanding how important and effective that organizing
Speaker 5: can be. Do not start there because you will run
Speaker 5: into like, oh god, if I have another baby, did
Speaker 5: I gain weight? What if I loose? It's going to
Speaker 5: distract you. You got to start where you don't have
Speaker 5: the emotional ties. Start in the case, starting the pantry,
Speaker 5: start anywhere else. Do not start in the closet.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They're the queens of tough love. Oh yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: So I love that you don't You don't mug about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, because we need we need you, We need
Speaker 2: someone to give us tough love.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy for you both, and I so so
Speaker 3: appreciate your time. This was fun.
Speaker 1: This was so fun. Thank you guys, this was so fun.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having us.
Speaker 3: Clia Sheer and Joanna Teplin are professional organizers, founders of
Speaker 3: the Home Edit, and hosts of the Netflix series Get
Speaker 3: Organized with the Home Edit thanks to our partners at Airbnb.
Speaker 1: That's it for today's show.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow journalists and author Anna Goldfarb is here to talk
Speaker 2: friendship and catching feelings.
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