1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Ryan McGee very thoughtful writer at ESPN dot com, 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: co host of Marty and McGee, the SEC Network and 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: ESPN Radio, and he wrote some things about what's going 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: on with the SEC and Oklahoma Texas. Bigger is not better? Here? Ryan, 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: did the SEC have a good week this past week? 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: The SEC had a great week? I mean, listen, you 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: just said it. I co host the show on SEC Network. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: I had a great week. I mean, Paul Finbaum had 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: a great week. You know, a lot of people had 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Greg's sake. You had a great week. But the question is, 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: and this is what I worry about just in the 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: entirety of sports. Whenever there's big changes, is it good 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: for everyone else? And what made me think of this 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: interestantly enough was what Nick Saban had to say a 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: few hours before we all found out through the Houston 17 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Chronicle for the first time about Texas and Oklahoma. He 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: was talking about NIL and he was talking about the 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: transfer portal and expanded playoff and he said, listen, all 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: of these things benefit Alabama. But then he started talking 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: about Kent State where he went to school, and Toledo 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: where he was a head coach, and I mean you're 23 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: a dating guy and Jimbo Offisher start tomb at Stamford. 24 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: These guys worry about how this affects everyone, not just them. 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, yeah, great for them, 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: they said it. But the question is ten years now, 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: will this have been great for everyone? If you got 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: an honest in shout of Nick Saban said, are you happy, o'clonman, 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Texas are in the SEC? What do you think? Coach 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Saban would say. Nick Saban is all about how do 31 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: I get to the playoff? Whether it's four teams or 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: twelve teams or whatever. It's why every player on his 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: team will more than likely have a shot in their arm, 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: a vaccination by the time they get there. He can't 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: officially say that how it's gonna be. Nothing's going to 36 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: stand in the way of him getting to the playoffs. 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: So if this is an obstacle to get to the playoff, 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: then he ain't happy. But if a win against one 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: of those teams, and he clearly is not scared of anyone, 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: if a win against one of these teams is what's 41 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: going to get him to the playoff, then Hills all 42 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: about it. But I think initially, yeah, you're looking at 43 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: the schedule and you're thinking, Okay, there's there's a week 44 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: that I'm probably not going to play Mercer, you know, 45 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: or even schedule Miami and the opener. You know, this 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 1: is a week when I've got one of these two. 47 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: So I think in the in the short term, Uh, 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: he will tell you he's happy, but he's probably already 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: trying to do the math, like what does this mean 50 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: for me? Get into January? Right? So what's the big picture? 51 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: What's the end game here for college football? Because I 52 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: look at Greg Sankey, is Roger Goodell and any ESPN 53 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: so those two, those two go hand in hand. But 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: it feels like we're headed towards the NFL model in 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: college football, where you're gonna have maybe forty schools, you're 56 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna compete for sixteen playoff spots, You're gonna have conferences, 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna have you know, USC plays Ohio State in 58 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: Week one, Ohio State play is Oklahoma and week two 59 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: like you're going to have and the you know, the 60 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: smaller schools are going to be relegated. If you know 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: your history, then you know that you know, right across 62 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: the street from where the NCAA headquarters used to be 63 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: in Kansas City is the is the quaint little building 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: where the NAIA lives. Well, they used to run everything, 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: and then one day the big schools decided to go 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: do something else. And we've all talked about forever. You know, well, 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: at what point do the power five or whoever the 68 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: powers that be go do their own thing, because you 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: know that basketball money was still sitting over there in 70 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Annapolis and uh, you know they're running cosketball playoff by themselves. 71 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: They liked the nc DOUBLEA being the bad guy even 72 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: though they were on all the committees. I mean, you know, 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: the NCABA the asylums run by the inmates, and it 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: was a very very it was very convenient scapegoat. Well, 75 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: now the question is what are they going to do 76 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: going forward? And I think you're right. I think it's 77 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: either this this NFL model, which I hate. By the way, 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: NFL is great, but college is on side day in 79 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: the NFL's on Sunday. So I don't like a twelve 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: team playoff. It just feels like the NFL playoffs. It's 81 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: not different. But going forward to two, they're gonna be 82 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: what you're talking about or it's going to be what 83 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: we've all predicted for a long time, which you're sixteen 84 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: team super conference. Now, whether that's a Power five or 85 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: a Power four, I don't know. Roy Kramer, the man 86 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: who created all this, told me in twenty eleven, he said, 87 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: fourteen is not the number. Sixteen is the number. He said, 88 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: once you hit sixteen, that's the right number of teams. 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: More than that's too many. Fewer than that's too few. 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: That was ten years ago. And uh, you know, as 91 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: perd usual, Roy Kramer seems to be right. What happens 92 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: with a big ten? Don't you're mister big ten? As 93 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: Paul five Bomb always tells me. Right, very quiet, right, 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: and what have we learned about all of this? And 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: what do we learn in twenty eleven, and what do 96 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: we learn in nineteen ninety two? The people who aren't 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: saying anything are up to something and and so yeah, 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: it's no one at the PAC twel would have said 99 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: anything thing about anything if they hadn't have media day 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: just now. Yeah, and so everyone's being very quiet. And 101 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: as you know, as Greg Greg Saken talk us all 102 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: a week ago, today, the quietest person is probably the 103 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: person to sup to someone what about Notre Dame. You know, 104 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: Dan and Meat all comes down to money. I mean, 105 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: NBC has been writing a check to the to them 106 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: for thirty years and it's been great. The question has 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: always been when the money gets bigger in the conferences 108 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: and you can't ignore it. I mean the ACC and 109 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: I was at the ACC Championship game and all those 110 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Notre Dame people like, they're I'm pretty good time to me. 111 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: You know, obviously they lost to Clemson, we all predicted 112 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: of it, but the experience looked great and coach Kelly 113 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: was telling me, this is great. We're having a great time. 114 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: And it was a little a little a trial and 115 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: per the contract, they can't go anywhere until they talked 116 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to the ACC first. That's what John Swafford wrote in 117 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: that kind of an amazing contract with Notre Dame. But 118 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, follow the money and 119 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: if they can make as much money with their Saturday 120 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: afternoon Saturday nights on NBC, they're gonna stay with that. 121 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: But if the money is bigger in a conference and 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: the payout is bigger in the conference, somewhere So it's 123 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: the reason Texas and Clone we're doing what they're doing. 124 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: So wherever the checks are bigger, oh they'll all end 125 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: up no matter what to tell you. We're talking to 126 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Ryan McGee ESPN dot Com, senior writer, co host to 127 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: Marty and McGee on SEC Network and ESPN Radio. We 128 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: got Dale Junior on coming up Final Hour. My man 129 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: and I thought he would be interesting to talk about 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: with just that mental pressure. You know what happened with 131 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: Simone Vials And I know it's a completely different sport, 132 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: but you know, getting in that car, you know the 133 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: pressure he had. He wasn't winning. He inherited his dad's 134 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 1: fan base. He got into car the following week after, 135 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: you know, Senior died at Daytona. So I just kind 136 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: of curious his mindset. And you've known Junior a long time. 137 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: When when I had the incredible honor of helping Dale 138 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: write his book a few years ago, race into the finish, 139 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: he and I both learned so much about mental health, 140 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: and we both agreed that whether it was the loss 141 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: of his father or whether it was the loss of 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: my mother in Monroe, North Carolina around that same time, 143 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: we both wished that we had known more about mental 144 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: health when we experienced those things as kids and his 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: perspective and this is amazing and it's not just a 146 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: physical injury, which is what he suffered time and time 147 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: and time again and ultimately pushed him out of the 148 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: race car. But it was what you're talking about. It 149 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: what we both learned, you know, through his doctor and 150 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: he'll tell you all about Mickey, is that, you know, 151 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: stress and mental health is the greatest contributing factor to 152 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: not being able to heal physical health. And if you 153 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: go by you go back now and listen to what 154 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Simone Biles was saying. That's what she was saying, you know, 155 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: are you putting yourself in a position to injure yourself 156 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: physically perhaps forever because you weren't in the right mental 157 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: mindset said And ultimately, uh, yeah, that's the decision that 158 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: Dellar Junior had to make about his career. So yeah, 159 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I'll be watching and listening because I and then I 160 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: want to call him after and uh talk to him 161 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: about it. Hey, Uh, I hope you're doing well and 162 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm good. Yeah, speaking of mental health, do you remember 163 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: that time in the mid nineties on Sports Center and 164 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: this pa turned in a shot sheet and the handwriting 165 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: was so atrocious that it created like a week of 166 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: firestorm controversy on campus. Remember that on Sports Center? Yeah 167 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: that was me. Yeah, yeah, and uh and uh you 168 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: you taught me a great lesson about attitude that week, 169 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: and I have I have remembered it ever since, and 170 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: hopefully my attitude, my mental attitude, has been better. What 171 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: was my advice, Uh, don't be. I think it was 172 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: when I come to you and tell you that your 173 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: handwriting is atrocious, you probably should be should listen and 174 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: not be so defensive. But in my defense, I was 175 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: twenty three years old, I think six months or off, 176 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: sitting in Western civil But yeah, I go to Key, 177 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm driving Keith to work, and I go, man, Dan's 178 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: really mad at me. He was just you should listen 179 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: to what he says, and I did, so thank you 180 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: for that. That worked out well. You know, college grad 181 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: you thought you knew everything at ESPN. I did know. 182 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: And I have a sixteen year old daughter now, so 183 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: she knows everything. And U and I apply my Dan 184 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: Patrick lesson to my life here at the house all 185 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: the time. Wait minute, So you had to pick up 186 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: Keith from his house and because I'm drove to work 187 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: two or three days a week, yeah, my first day 188 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: as a PA. I walk into the newsroom. I've been 189 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: watching you guys all throughout college and walking the news 190 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: room and Keith is putting flyers in the mailboxes because 191 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the Southington cab company has increased its rates. And he's right, 192 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: so he's looking for a ride to work. And I 193 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: didn't even I start. I'd just come from Ault Jaffe's office. 194 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: That's about my town. And I go, are you serious? 195 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, said what time do I pick 196 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: up tomorrow? So I drove Keith to work for the 197 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: whole two years I was up there. Yeah, I'd be like, man, 198 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: Dan's mad? Should I Should I be worried? He goes, yes, 199 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: you should be worried. You should talk to Dan and 200 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: get the st right now. Okay, thank you Keith. You 201 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: could write a book about that. Yeah, y'all wrote a book. 202 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, maybe morning I'll write a book when 203 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: I'll write a chapter about driving Keith to work. In 204 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: the time, Dan Patrick had a seminar to talk about 205 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: my handwriting. But it did make us better at Sports 206 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: Center because of your your handwriting and your shot sheet, 207 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: because that's it, Like we were doing live highlights and 208 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: it was. It's it's chaos. When I tell people we 209 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: didn't even get to see what you were writing. I'd 210 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: get it on the air live, Oh yeah, and then 211 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: i'd have to kind of figure out your hieroglyphics. No, 212 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: I knew it. So I'm literally running down the hallway 213 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: and you're run twenty steps, put the paper on the 214 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: wall and write a shot. Run twenty steps, just and 215 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: I there and slid it in there. And I knew 216 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: I literally slid it in there like this like this. 217 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: He can't read Gary Trent's name? What am I doing here? 218 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: And thankfully, thankfully you were good at it. So thank 219 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: you for that. Yeah, and give and then I would 220 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: take Keith to the dry cleaner and the TCB. You 221 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: are great to talk to you, Ryan, Thank you, buddy, 222 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: Thank you Dan. Be sure to catch the live edition 223 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern 224 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart 225 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Radio app. Make Way for Bob Costas, the Hall of 226 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: Fame broadcaster HBO's Back on the Record with Bob Costas 227 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: that will make its debut this Friday night at eleven 228 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: pm Eastern and Pacific. It can also be streamed on 229 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: HBO Max. Each episode features extended conversations with some of 230 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: the biggest names in sports, from present day superstars to 231 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: legends of the past. Bob joins us, now, so who's 232 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: the first guest on Friday Night? Bob, Well, it's an 233 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: obvious get and you might say, but Charles Barkley is 234 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the leadoff. And the difference between this, we hope, and 235 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: how you see them on TNT, where it's so terrific 236 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: with Ernie and the Gang, is that this will be 237 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: a more extended conversation. I'm sure a lot of it 238 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: will be very funny, almost inevitable, it'll be provocative. So 239 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: we'll have that, and then we have Ali Raisman, which 240 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: turns out to be even more timely than we thought 241 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: when we booked it. We'll have a closing essay and commentary. 242 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: Beaumani Jones is a regular on the show. He'll be 243 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: part of a three person panel every show. The other 244 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: two people as time are Renee Montgomery, the former w 245 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: NBA star who's now a part owner of the Atlanta 246 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: Dream in the league, and David Cone, the Yankee pitcher 247 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: to talk about a former Yankee pitcher now broadcast to 248 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: talk about a lot of what's going on in baseball? 249 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: What are you looking for in this show? You know? 250 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: The name pretty much says it. Back on the Record, 251 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: We're not reinventing anything. I did the On the Record 252 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: Show from A one through eight on HBO, and then 253 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: when the Baseball Network came into existence, they wanted me 254 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: to be part of that, and baseball is my favorite sports, 255 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: so I wanted to do it, and HBO at that 256 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: time said, hey, we want you to stay, but you 257 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: got to choose. So I chose the Baseball and reluctantly 258 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: left HBO behind. Otherwise I would have just stayed in definitely. 259 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: Now things have changed a little bit. They invited me back. 260 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm only doing four of them a year at this point, Dan, 261 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: you know you're working five days a week. That's not 262 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: my ideal situation anymore. So it's supposed to be quarterly. 263 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: We got pushed back a couple of times by COVID, 264 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: so we'll do one a month for the next four 265 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: months just to get the four in for twenty twenty one. 266 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: The next year will go on a quarterly cycle. And 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: I think the idea is HBO already has real sports. 268 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: It's the sixty minutes of sports. It's fantastic on its 269 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: own terms. We're not trying to replicate that, not trying 270 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: to replicate what we see on a daily or weekly 271 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: basis on cable TV sports coverage. I just hope that 272 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: on its own terms, it's good. I hope that there's 273 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: some depth to it, some entertainment to it. I hope 274 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: it brings to bear some of the things I've done 275 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: reasonably well over the course of my career. Who is 276 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: your favorite guest from on the record? Well, the one 277 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: they talk about the most is Vince McMahon. It was 278 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: good television HBO, no commercials, and it was live. It 279 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: turned out to be twenty seven twenty eight minutes of 280 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: unremitting tension. And then after he went storming off the set, 281 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: all we had was like a twenty second bumper to 282 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: get me to the next set up on the set. 283 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: So I walk over and sit down and the next 284 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: guest is Bob Knight and said, I said, coach, this 285 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: is the one or only time in your life when 286 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: your presence will lower the temperature in the room. Did 287 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: you think Vince McMahon was gonna hit you? No, No, 288 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: I knew he was obviously, you know, getting very very angry. 289 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: That was authentic. He was very very angry, and I 290 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: think he was trying to intimidate me through body language 291 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: and jabbing a finger at me. But you know, maybe 292 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: I'm just dumb, but I never thought he was going 293 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: to smack me. Okay, So now he goes storming off, 294 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: and you know how heavy the doors are. It was studio. 295 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: He slammed that thing as if it was a screen 296 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: door on your back porch in Maybury. I mean you 297 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: could hear the thing reverberate. So now the show is 298 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: over and the stage manager and some of the cameramen 299 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: come up. Hey, Bob, if you had jumped here, we 300 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: had your back. Wait a minute, you're over here behind 301 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: a mile a table. I'm six inches from this, madman. 302 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Can you watch the Olympics as a fan? Now? Yeah? Yeah, 303 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: you know. I watched it casually, just like I did 304 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen Winter Games from pyeong Chang. I'm interested 305 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: not only in some of the competition, but in how 306 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: my former colleagues and longtime friends are doing. I've texted 307 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: a few of them before and during the games, but 308 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm not obsessed with it. I'm not sitting there monitoring it. 309 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: If I pop down on the couch and something's going on, 310 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: then I check it out. And of all the great 311 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: things you did with the Olympics, and I'm sure pink 312 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: eye conjunctividus still comes up, certainly in the time of 313 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: the Olympics. How often does it come up? It comes 314 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: up pretty frequently, and I know it's part of my obituary. 315 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: And in the darker recesses the internet, there are bizarre 316 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: theories as to how I contracted it, none of which 317 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: are remotely true, you know, but you have to have 318 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: a sense of humor about it. At the time. I 319 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: tried to just, you know, acknowledge it. You had to. 320 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: If you just felt lousy, you you go to work. 321 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: We've all done that. If I had a broken leg, 322 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: it would have been in a cast under the desk, 323 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to refer to it. But it was literally 324 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: written right there on my face. So I just tried 325 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: to have a line or two to acknowledge it and 326 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: then move on as best I could. But the amazing 327 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: thing is that some people think that I am subject 328 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: to illness, and specifically pink eye only during the Olympics. 329 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: So we go from twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen in Rio, 330 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: and it's like, Bob, how are your eyes? What is 331 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: it only only doing that specific quadrennial period that I'm 332 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: going to get pink? Wait, do you have it this week? 333 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: You didn't get it that list this week? No? Okay, okay, No, 334 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: I think I pulled a hamstring getting out. But apart 335 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: from that, when you know the results and it's tape delayed, 336 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: but do you have to can you present it or 337 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: is the feeling to present it in a way that hey, 338 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: I'm going to act as if I don't know what happened. No. 339 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: I think what we always tried to do is acknowledge 340 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: on the first night of competition, not the opening ceremony, 341 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: but the first night of full competition. If it was 342 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: the circumstance where all of it had to be presented 343 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: on tape or a substantial amount, you acknowledge that, and 344 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: then you try and use the right tense instead of 345 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: is going for his or her second gold medal? Was 346 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: going for his or her second gold medal. I'm sure 347 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: there were unintentional slip ups occasionally, but you try to 348 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: let them know up front this is what it is. 349 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: You don't reiterate it every night, because some people want 350 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: to experience it as they're watching it, if not as 351 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: it happens. We hear that all the time. If you 352 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: don't want to know the result, turn away. But now, 353 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: as the world has changed a whole lot since my 354 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: first Olympics in nineteen eighty eight, we know that millions 355 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: and millions of people are aware of what's happened, but 356 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: millions more still just want to see it with the 357 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: full presentation, with the backstories and the features and everything else. 358 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: The most extreme was Sydney in two thousand, where you're 359 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: literally a world away, and some of the events that 360 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I was leading into the next day, not only did 361 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: I know the result, I had attended them the night before, 362 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: and I'm reading about them in the Sydney newspapers as 363 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm in the car on the way to the studio. 364 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: So I felt then as if I was on the 365 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: History Channel. You didn't have a cutaway of you in 366 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: the crowd where you then commented on you being in 367 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: the crowd while you were hosting the Olympics. Did you 368 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: you know? I was not bright enough to demand that. 369 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: That would have been very amusing, but it didn't happen. 370 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: How often have you doubted yourself when you're broadcasting? You know, 371 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too deeply into this, but 372 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: when you're doing play by play in my case baseball 373 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: now and you get into your sixties, you have to 374 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: realize that unless you really watch it, you're not exactly 375 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: as sharp as you used to be. You know, during COVID, 376 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: before there were any games, both the NBA Network and 377 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: the Baseball Network were showing classic games, and I would 378 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: stumble across some of them. In fact, I think it 379 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: was on your show, Dan, when Al Michaels and I 380 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: were on at the same time, and Al said, I'm 381 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: on three networks at once, Football, Baseball, and NBA games, 382 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: and on occasion I was on at least two at once. 383 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: And then YouTube toss this stuff out there, stuff you 384 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: don't even remember doing or haven't thought about in a 385 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: long time. And I contrast the level of sharpness from 386 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: the eighties and nine. You know, I think I'm still 387 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: pretty sharp, but is there a falloff that at least 388 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: I can recognize from maybe one hundred percent to ninety 389 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: two percent or ninety three percent on occasion. Yeah, And 390 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: so maybe like a pitcher whose stuff has changed but 391 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: can still be effective. You change your approach a little 392 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: bit um so I have to be careful. And the 393 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: other thing that that's happened is you know your eyesight 394 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: isn't quite as good as as you get older, and 395 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: so in baseball, unlike basketball or something that wouldn't affect 396 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: me much, in baseball, you're calling the game. You've got 397 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: a monitor in the booth. But if there's a long 398 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: fly ball to the outfield and you're recessed from the 399 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: backstop by I don't know how many feet, but you're 400 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: probably at that point six hundred seven hundred feet away. 401 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: With the naked eye, you can't one hundred percent trust 402 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: yourself on the flight of the ball. So you gotta go. 403 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: You gotta go off the monitor. So I tend to 404 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: I tend to slow things down a little bit rather 405 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: rather than just kind of jumping on it right away, 406 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: I try to be a little bit more cautious. What 407 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: a boring answer, but you asked, But then you had 408 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: the luxury of a Showhyotani home run where you don't 409 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: have to go, I don't know if that's going to 410 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: get out of here. Yeah, I remember, can you remember, 411 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: and you've been at the ballpark all your life, but 412 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: the sound is different, Bob with Showhyotani. Yeah, there have 413 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: been through the years a handful of hitters for whom 414 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: that applies. I remember the late great Buck O'Neill talking 415 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: about that and saying when he closed his eyes he 416 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: knew it was Babe Ruth or Josh Gibson the other 417 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: one he sided from the Negro leagues, and then later 418 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: on Mickey Mantle and then after that Bo Jackson. I 419 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: think Showhy is on that short list where literally if 420 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: you turn your back during batting practice, the sound coming 421 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: off their bats was different. Yeah, I would go. You 422 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: could go and just listen to batting practice with Otani 423 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: and be entertained. You don't even have to watch because 424 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: I love the It's in your mind, like, oh my god, 425 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: where's that gone? It's like radio. If you listen that, 426 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: you just hear the crack of the bat and it's 427 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: just it's setan. Do you have Shohei Otani's home run 428 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: from last night? See if we can? Okay, here you go. 429 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's out of a cartoon, doesn't It 430 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: sure does. And you know people talk about the launch 431 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: angle approach, and some are critical of it because it's 432 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: part of what's created these three perfect outcome strikeout, walk, 433 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: home run deprived baseball of action. But when you have 434 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: someone who's perfected it. If Ted Williams saw Shoheyotani, he 435 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: would approve of Shohei's approach. It is a perfect natural 436 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: uppercut swing. But he also excels at putting the ball 437 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: in play. I mean, here's a guy who pitched six 438 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: innings for you, maybe six shutout innings. I haven't checked recently, 439 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: but at one point he led the league in triples, 440 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: He steals basses, he does everything. Is he better than 441 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: Babe Ruth? So difficult to compare Ruth when he was 442 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: primarily pitching, was what are the great pitchers of his 443 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: time and would have made the Hall of Fame as 444 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: a pitcher. And then when he became primarily a hitter 445 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: almost exclusively, he dominated the league in a way that 446 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: no one else has in baseball. It's comparable to Will 447 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Chamberlain averaging fifty in basketball, or Wayne Gretzky's gap over 448 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: everyone else and goals assistant total points before the rest 449 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: of baseball sort of caught up. Ruth Ruth was hitting 450 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: more home runs than entire teams, but he never blended 451 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: hitting and pitching at this level of effectiveness the way 452 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: Otani did. So you can make a case for Otani 453 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: looking at it from that perspective, another case for Ruth 454 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: from the other perspective, and then you just have to say, 455 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute. You know, comparing eras and the circumstances 456 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: under which they competed makes it an interesting parlor game, 457 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: but you can never arrive at a definitive answer. You 458 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: remember your first game in person? Yeah, yeah, Well, actually 459 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: I got to give two answers to this. My dad, 460 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was prescient or it was 461 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: just luck. In nineteen fifty seven, I'm five years old. 462 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: He took me to a game at ebbotts Field, so 463 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: I can say I went to a game at ebbotts Field. 464 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: I don't remember anything except how green the grass was. 465 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: And you've heard people tell that story all the time. 466 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: It's like Dorothy arriving in oz and it goes from 467 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: black and white to color, because all anybody had then 468 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: was a black and white television set with a tiny screen. 469 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: I don't remember any particulars of the game. He also 470 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: took me to one at the Polo Grounds, and as 471 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting on his shoulders towards the back of the grandstand, 472 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: he said to me, Bobby, look at that player right there. No, No, 473 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: not that one, the one in the middle. That's Willie Mays, 474 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: as if he was far sighted to know that that 475 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: would be something I'd want to remember for the rest 476 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: of my life, as if he were saying, son, that's 477 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: the Washington Monument, that's the Eiffel Tower, that's Willie May's. 478 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: But I don't remember any particulars of the game. The 479 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: game I remember I was seven and my dad took 480 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: me to a late season game between the Orioles and 481 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: the Yankees at the Old Yankee Stadium, and I was 482 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: heartbroken that Mantel didn't play that day. And the Orioles 483 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: won the game seven to two. And back then you 484 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: could leave. They'd let the fans leave by walking around 485 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: the warning track, and then they'd open up the bullpen 486 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: gates and you poured out into the street where the 487 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: elevated subway was. So we walk around and it's onspiring enough. 488 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: The old Yankee Stadium, the wedding cake facade, the three 489 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: decks of the whole thing. But then the monuments, and 490 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: there were only three of them at that time. The 491 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: monuments were on the field because center field was four 492 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one feet from home plate. So the 493 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: three monuments to Ruth Geig and their manager, Miller Huggins, 494 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: are right there with the flagpole behind it. And we 495 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: get to the monuments, and what would any seven year 496 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: old kids think? I thought they were buried there on 497 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: the warning track. I honestly thought that this was the 498 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: sacred Yankee burial ground and Joe DiMaggio would be interred there. 499 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: And eventually, this is the part that really got to me, 500 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Mickey Mantle was going to be buried there, and I 501 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: started to cry. My father's trying to assure me, Yeah, 502 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: these three guys are dead, but they're buried someplace else. 503 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: Given the craziness of this sports collecting business, how valuable 504 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: are your baseball cards? Your Mickey Mantle card? You know? 505 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: The one that I save is from nineteen fifty eight, 506 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: the first one I remember getting out of a pack 507 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: of tops bubblegum cards. I imagine that one's worth since 508 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: it's in pretty good condition. Somewhere in the single digits 509 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: in the thousands, maybe four or five thousand, but you 510 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: know a mint condition nineteen fifty two Mantle. There was 511 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: a big story recently in Sports Illustrated about this. Those 512 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: are going for them into the millions of dollars. Bob 513 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: has got his new show. It's old show, just it's 514 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: a newer version of his older show. It's called Back 515 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: on the Record with Bob Costas. That'll be coming up 516 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: this Friday night at eleven Eastern eleven Pacific. Charles Barkley 517 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: will sit down with him. Back on the Record with 518 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: Bob Costas. Great to have you back on the show, Bob, 519 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. As always, in good luck with 520 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: the program. See Fox Sports Radio has the best sports 521 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows 522 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. 523 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: Search FSR to listen live. Hey it's me Rob Parker. 524 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: Check out my weekly MLB podcast, Inside the Parker for 525 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: twenty two minutes of pipe and hot baseball talk featuring 526 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: the biggest name to newsmakers in the sport. Whether you 527 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: believe in analytics or the ecast, we've got all the bases. 528 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: New episodes drop every Thursday, so do yourself a favor 529 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: and listen to Inside the Partner with Rob Partner on 530 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app or wherever you get your podcast. 531 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time yesterday and part of 532 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: today talking about Simone Biles took herself out of the 533 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: team competition. She has taken herself out of the individual 534 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: all around competition that will be Thursday. Don't know if 535 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: she's going to compete over the weekend. And we thought 536 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: about Dale Junior for a variety of reasons. We love 537 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: it having Junior on, by the way season two of 538 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: Lost Speedways on Peacock, looking at great racing cathedrals of 539 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: the past, really long forgotten racecourses now abandon are overtaken 540 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: by nature. I really loved it, thought it was great, 541 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: and we're going to have Junior on to talk about that. 542 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: But then I thought everything that he went through when 543 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: he was racing, from when his dad died to getting 544 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: in the car the next week, the expectations you inherited 545 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: a fan base. He wasn't winning, just the mental I 546 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: did that, and Dale Junior joints us now. And I 547 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: know it's a long time ago, but that that mental 548 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: part of preparing for a race. How many times you 549 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: think you went into a race where mentally you weren't 550 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: in a good place. Well, when you're doing it every 551 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: single week, you certainly had your good days and bad 552 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: days when you you know, you could tell where you 553 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: were last week mentally and where you were this week, 554 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: and it was happening in such a repetitive um, you 555 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: know process that you you know, there were days when 556 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: you got up and you felt really great. You felt like, man, 557 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm this is going to be a great day. I 558 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: can feel it, or you know, you just you had 559 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: a great disposition and could handle adversity better. And then 560 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: there were days when you got up out of bed 561 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: and you had no motivation or you had no confidence. Um, 562 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: you maybe had something going on in your personal life 563 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: that was that had you down and pressed um. And 564 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: then when you were faced with any adversity during that 565 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: day or that race, you didn't handle it well and 566 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: you didn't overcome it, and you know you kind of 567 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: you kind of fell apart. Um I had. Yeah, you're 568 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: definitely going to experience that in sports. UM, when you're 569 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: when you're competing on a regular basis, you're going to 570 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: have those days when you mentally just have it together. 571 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: And then those moments when they're just you're just seeing, 572 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: you're just overwhelmed. And uh, I was always affected, you know, 573 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: my personal life and my home life. M was uh 574 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, the driving factor for me. And so things 575 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: were good and I you know, I was and things 576 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: were smooth for me at home. Uh, things were going 577 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: things We're gonna go pretty well at the racetrack. I 578 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: think that might have been another way around two. Sometimes 579 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: if things didn't go well at the race track, things 580 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: living bad at home. Um, that's for sure. If if 581 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: I failed and I had stretches of failure, you know 582 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: where just I was a miserable, miserable person every day 583 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: of the week. But how many times did you get 584 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: into a car and say I shouldn't be in this car. 585 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: I never never did that. I just I was. It 586 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: was a job, you know, I was just showing up 587 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: to work and supposed to be there, felt like I 588 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: belonged there. But there were days when you looked around 589 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: and you just knew you didn't have that same confidence 590 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: as the guy next to you. So when we go 591 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: to the driver's introduction, all the drivers are forced into 592 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: this little space together and we're going to get introduced 593 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: to the crowd, and so you are exposed to all 594 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: the competition right there in that moment before you're going 595 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: to go compete, and you can see guys that are 596 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: that are that are ready to get ready to get 597 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: after it, and you see guys that are just you know, 598 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: they're they're not up on the chip, they're not fire 599 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: it up to be there. I don't know everybody kind 600 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: of approaches it differently, but um, can you say anything 601 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: to anybody? What do you mean? Like could you tell 602 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: your crew chief like you have doubts or hey, I'm 603 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: just not there, or like dot did you just suppress it? Yeah, 604 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to say that because you don't want 605 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: your team to hear it, or you didn't want your 606 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: crew chief or anybody to think that you weren't You 607 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: weren't logged in, you know, and you weren't there. Everybody, Uh, 608 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, every most with the most sports racing is 609 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: a is a team effort, and nobody you definitely uh 610 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: don't want you know, your personal issues or anything you 611 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: got going on. I guess were you didn't you know 612 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: that was that wasn't the jackman's problem that you know 613 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: that he showed up, he's there, he's he's plugged in, 614 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: he's prepared all week. Um, and so you suppressed it 615 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: and didn't say anything. Now after the race, you might 616 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: go up to your crew chief and say, hey, man, 617 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as you could probably tell, I wasn't I 618 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: wasn't with it this week or I wasn't with it today. 619 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: This is why I'm gonna try to fix that. How 620 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: can you help me fix that? And you know, you 621 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: try to, you try to do a better job the 622 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: next week. But you had a big fan base, did 623 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: like the pressure at a young age of living up 624 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: to what they wanted. The other drivers didn't have that. 625 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: You can say that's good and bad, but like you 626 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: had to. You didn't want to let him down. No, 627 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: you didn't. And uh, you know, I had a hard 628 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: time feeling I had a hard time feeling like a 629 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: victim there because I felt like that that fan base 630 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: was super Uh. That fan base was absolutely the reason 631 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: why I was able to keep my job in certain 632 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: situations when probably the next guy would have got fired. 633 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: There was a stretch when I was going, uh, pretty 634 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: things were going pretty bad with my job at Rick Hendrick. 635 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 1: Uh and and you know, anyone else would have got 636 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: let go. But my fan base and the support that 637 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: I had from the fans is the reason why I 638 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: wasn't let go. And so you know, being that most 639 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: popular driver, UM that that saved my butt a few 640 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: times in my career. And you know, and I was 641 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: able to turn around and get back to victorally into 642 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: all that. But UM, I was so you know, knowing 643 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: that it was this blessing. UM I could I always 644 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: I kind of felt guilty to ever look at the 645 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: you know that pressure is a bad thing or or 646 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: something that I didn't want to have, um because that 647 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, that support from those fans was the same 648 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: thing that was keeping me going and keeping my it 649 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: literally keeping me in the seat at certain certain points 650 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: of my career. You didn't never think about just pulling 651 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: in pitro and then just getting out of the car 652 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: and just walking away. UM, I mean certainly may may have, 653 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: certainly may have thought about it the time or two. 654 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean there was some uh I'll tell you, I 655 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: mean to be quite honest, Dan, when we went to 656 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: Rockingham after Dad died, I mean I didn't want to 657 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: I didn't want to run that race. I didn't want 658 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: to be at home by myself either. You know, I 659 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be at the race track and I wanted 660 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: something to occupy my mind. But and that's a week 661 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: after your father died. Yeah, so he died, and then 662 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: next weekend we're at Rockingham, and I didn't want to 663 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: be home not racing. I probably that probably would have 664 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: been a miserable realization when they dropped the green flag 665 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: and you're not out there like, oh, this was a 666 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: bad idea. I should have been in that race, but 667 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't. I wasn't. I wasn't getting up that 668 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: morning going man, I'm looking forward to this. I just 669 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: needed to be at the track. I really didn't want 670 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: to be behind the wheel. Um. I mean it was 671 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: it was, you know, the next couple of weeks down 672 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: road that that that that emotion goes away. And there 673 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: were certain times in in the uh, in the on 674 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: the droughts of in the windless droughts and and the 675 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: struggles when I would walk you know, I'm I wouldn't 676 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: really say it, I wouldn't really feel it on race day. 677 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: You know, every day you get up and get in 678 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: the car, you're thinking, this is the day it could 679 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: turn around. If I get in this car, this might 680 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 1: be the day it goes right. But on Monday after 681 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: it didn't go right, I'd walk into the office and, uh, 682 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: talk to my sister or somebody and say, I'm I'm 683 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 1: I'm done with this. It's not fun. I'm not having 684 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: any fun. I don't want to do this anymore. And 685 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: but the machine was so big it was gone, right, 686 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: I can't stop it. There you were, I was right, 687 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: you can't just you can't just I couldn't stop it, right, 688 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: even if I wanted to stop it, I couldn't get 689 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: off that train and too me moving parts. Uh. And 690 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: it's probably best, you know that I didn't have that choice. 691 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: It's probably I didn't have control, um, you know, of 692 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: that decision, because I would have probably made the wrong 693 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: decision in that moment. But it was whatever. I'm glad 694 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: I stuck it out, you know, because I did get 695 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: back to to win in some races and was able 696 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: to kind of have some great moments. Sorry, I got 697 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: a little heavy with him, but yeah, it really got heavy. 698 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: Your dad would have been seventy in April. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 699 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,720 Speaker 1: what would he be doing? I you know, I hope 700 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: that he would be spent a lot of time with 701 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: my wife and my kids, and uh because I feel 702 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: like that he would have really loved Amy, and um 703 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: I just really wished that I could have seen them 704 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: to interact with each other, um over over lunch or whatever, 705 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, and certainly wished it I could watch him, 706 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, play with my kids, and and uh, so 707 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: I imagine he would be doing all those things. I 708 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: don't know what he'd be doing professionally, and and what 709 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: he might have his involvement in, probably his car dealership 710 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: or or I don't know whether he would still be 711 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: a team owner in NASCAR. Probably so he'd probably have 712 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: some some pretty big influential position in NASCAR, whether it's 713 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,879 Speaker 1: on the ownership side or in the industry itself or 714 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, managing the direction of sport. But at seventy 715 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: years old, I'd hope that he would be slowing down 716 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: and enjoying the family that he's got, you know, all 717 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: his grandkids. He wouldn't be on a dirt track on 718 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: a Saturday night, whitny, No, now, he wouldn't. He would 719 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: left that way behind in the seventies when he moved 720 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: up into the Cup Series. I don't think he would. Ever, 721 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: he might have done him one off here and there 722 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: to entertain some folks, but I think once he was 723 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: going to be finished with racing in the Cup Series, 724 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: that he would probably be done for good. The season 725 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 1: two of Lost Speedways on Peacock as you look back on, 726 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: you know, some of these long forgotten race courses abandoned 727 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: are overtaken by nature. And I watched one a couple 728 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I thought it was I thought it 729 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: was great. I just you're like the Anthony Bourdain of 730 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: race tracks. Weh Man, you just a great compliment. You Yes, 731 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: And I want you to take it that way. You 732 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: you're you're not a NASCAR driver former NASCAR driver. I 733 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: mean you're you're a good host, and and you you 734 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: present it in a way that you're truly excited about 735 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: what you find, what you discover, what you on earth. 736 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's archaeological digs that we're finding with these 737 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: race tracks, and it's enjoyable. It's you don't have to 738 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: be a NASCAR fan. It's just about history. You're talking 739 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 1: about people and places, and it's it's really well done. Well, 740 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: thank you, there's a U. It's we produce it at 741 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: Dirty Motive Media, which is a business that we started here, 742 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,879 Speaker 1: company that we created, and uh we um, there is 743 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: a there's an interest um in all of us with 744 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: the abandoned and the you know, things that are lost 745 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: or left behind to be discovered again. It we are 746 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: all sort of interested, um in those things. And I 747 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: know it's it's I get people laugh when I use 748 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: this analogy. But I remember when they were looking for 749 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,360 Speaker 1: the Titanic for years and and they were never gonna 750 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: find it. It was it was an impossible task to 751 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: discover where this thing was at. And they looked for 752 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: it for decades and finally, you know, when they found it. 753 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid and seeing the 754 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: images of this thing, and I mean, it just evoked 755 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: so much interesting curious We were all curious. Heck, we're 756 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: still curious about that discovery. And um, so there's a 757 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: it's sort of the same thing, you know, but it's 758 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: in my little world of racing where we go back 759 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 1: to these tracks and we only go to the places 760 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: where there's evidence where you can actually see what the 761 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: track look like, or the in print of the track 762 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: in the in the the surface of the ground, and um, 763 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: it's fun to really understand what they meant to those communities, 764 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: the people that experience the good times and when the 765 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: tracks were thriving. Um, and I'm not saying this because 766 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: we're here together, but UM, if I get any credit 767 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: on my hosting abilities or anything that I do on 768 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: my interviewing abilities, I have studied you, buddy. You're one 769 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 1: of the best. I've told you that before. And UM, 770 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: I tell everybody that you know when I'm working in 771 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: the media side and broadcasting and so forth, that you're 772 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: kind of the top of the mountain in terms of 773 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 1: how to interview somebody. And you just do an amazing job. 774 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: And so I have to say that, um, and I'll 775 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 1: probably tell you that many many more times going forward, 776 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,360 Speaker 1: every time we're around each other. But I really appreciate 777 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: you and and and the influence that you've had on 778 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: me is I've if I steered away from driving cars 779 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: and gotten into the broadcasting side of it, it's very 780 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, you've been a really helples person and a 781 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: very supportive person to me. And you probably don't even 782 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 1: know that. Well. You know what I always appreciated about you, Junior, 783 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: is you were willing to listen. You didn't have all 784 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: the answers, And I think that that's that's the important 785 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: part when you're trying to go into this business is 786 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: you don't know, but you're willing to listen and find out. 787 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: And uh, and I always appreciated that. But uh, you know, 788 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: it's always great to catch up with you. I feel 789 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: like I'm talking to you, not interviewing you. And I 790 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: appreciate your honesties always. Yeah, it's always good to talk 791 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: to you too, man, And I feel the same way. 792 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: Every time we've had a conversation. You almost forget we're working. 793 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: But uh, And if I can help with the girls, 794 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: I'll help you know you let me know, like I 795 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 1: got three of them. I know you're always available. Man, 796 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: I can take you any time I need with that 797 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: type of I still loved, like Junior, send me a 798 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: text and it'll be like, you know, what do I do? 799 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: Like you know, like Gotta, I didn't know that they 800 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: could do this or you know, she's asking me this 801 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: and I think you got to do a show on fatherhood. 802 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 1: Would Amy do a reality show on fatherhood? I don't know. 803 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: She might, it'd be it'd be an interesting experience. I'm 804 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: sure she's the crew chief. Oh yeah for sure. Um yeah, 805 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 1: with two girls. Uh, with two little girls. Absolutely, she's 806 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: she's in control. Uh. And I'm on the I'm just 807 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm there to help. I'm I'm a I'm another set 808 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000 Speaker 1: of hands to So you're just changing lug nuts. That's 809 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: all you're doing at this Good luck with the show. 810 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you, Junior, Thank you, thank 811 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: you Dan, thank you Dale. Junior