1 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: Hey, hey va fam, It's Mandra back with another episode 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: of the ba Q and A. This week's episode is 3 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: really special. We went into the vault and picked up 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: our favorite career questions so that you can finally win 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: at work and crush your career goals. Before we get 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: into the show, though, y'all do not want to miss 7 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: next week's episode on Wednesday. Listen. I can't give you 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: many details, but I will say that your favorite co 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: host and mine may or may not be back ish 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: backsh Okay. Listen. If y'all get it, if you know, 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, If you don't know, just tune in next Wednesday. 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: You do not want to miss this episode. But let's 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: get in today's show. It's all about your career questions. 14 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: We took y'all's amazing questions dug up everything you need 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: to know about taking your job into your own damn hands, 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: from how to stay up for yourself at work to 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: the truth about imposter syndrome. Today's show, to be Honest, 18 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: is your essential Brown Ambition guide to advancing in your career. 19 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the show. All right, So 20 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: let's shake up this mailbag and see what kind of 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: questions y'all have this week, I've got a really interesting mix. 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm loving all the career questions, y'all keep them coming. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Our first question comes from listener Ashley from the Gram. 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: She says, Mandy, how do you manage new job jitters 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: when you're moving into a corporate space as a career changer. 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: What rituals have you developed to manage imposter syndrome? All right, Ashley? 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: I feel this deeply because I think anyone who's starting 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: a new job, especially if you're starting a new job 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: and you've switched career paths, or you're in a different industry, 30 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: or even just joining a new company, it can be stressful. 31 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: But what I like to do is kind of turn 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: it on its head and look at it this way. 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Nobody knows anything about Ashley. They don't know where you've been, 34 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: they don't really know what you've done. They are getting 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: the first impression of you right now. So really take 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: that as like an opportunity, an opportunity for a fresh start, 37 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do things a little bit differently than 38 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: you did at your previous job. So sitting down and 39 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: thinking through, you know, what are some of the things 40 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: that I wish I had done at my previous job 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: that I kind of want to do differently here. For me, 42 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: a big one was boundaries. So setting boundaries when I 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: started a new job, the first thirty days of your 44 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: new job, that's when you really tell people, you know, 45 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: here's how I like to work. Here is where I 46 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: keep my boundaries. And when I say boundaries, I mean 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: are you going to be the person who's available at 48 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: nine pm to answer emails or even later? Are you 49 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: going to be the person who's you know, awake in 50 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: the morning at five am and they're going to get 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: a response from you. Those are little signals that you 52 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: can send to your manager or your colleagues that's going 53 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: to tell them, oh, you know, actually is available all 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: the time. So I should not feel any kind of 55 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: way about hitting her up on Slack or texting her 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 1: or sending her an email, you know, with an urgent 57 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: quote unquote urgent question whenever I want too. So in 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: those first thirty days, think about how you want to 59 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: work and what kind of boundaries do you want to 60 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: set For me? It was really important to you know, 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: establish Okay, I'm going to be available online between the 62 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: hours of nine to let's say four thirty when that's 63 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: my cut off time for when I have to go 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: pick up my kid, and making sure that everyone knows 65 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: that and if I want to, you know, set aside 66 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: an hour or two once the baby is down to 67 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: answer some emails. That's fine, but really be careful about 68 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: what signals you're sending to people in terms of how 69 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: they can communicate to you when you're starting a new job. Now, 70 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: as far as imposter syndrome, no one really knows what's 71 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: going on inside your head, which can kind of be 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: some comfort. So when you show up, you know, no 73 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: one is thinking, oh, Ashley is nervous. You know, Ashley 74 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: does not sure if she can do this job. It's 75 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: fine and it is normal to have those feelings of 76 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: oh crap, I'm in a new role. Am I actually 77 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: going to be able to do this? Or is someone 78 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: going to tap me on the shoulder in a week 79 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: and be like, ooh, ash I don't know if it's 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: a good fit. That's probably not going to happen. But 81 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: I just want to normalize this idea of having imposter syndrome, 82 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Like if you ever gone to a women's focused event 83 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: or a women's career event or a leadership conference. I 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: guaran freaking to you that there was a session on 85 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome. But if you go to a conference like 86 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: a general business conference or a corporate conference where it's majority, 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, guys, because that's just how the world works, 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: I doubt there's going to be a session on imposter syndrome, 89 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: or if there is one, it's probably going to have 90 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 1: pink and purple colors and be targeting women. The fact 91 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: of the matter is that both men and women have 92 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome because it's a freaking human response. It's a 93 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: human response to being put into a new situation that 94 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: you haven't proven yourself in yet and just kind of wondering, 95 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, can I do this? So, first and foremost, 96 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: imposter syndrome very normal. Women and men can deal with it. 97 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: But you ask me, you know, what rituals have you 98 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: developed to manage it? First and foremost, just acknowledged this 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: as a normal set of emotions. I'm feeling this way 100 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: because I am challenging myself and that is a good thing. 101 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: If it is terrifying to show up to work on 102 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: your first day because you are making a big leap 103 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: or you have moved up into a new, more senior role. 104 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: That's how it's supposed to be. You know, you haven't 105 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: been tested yet, so you're gonna feel a little bit nervous. 106 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: One of my strategies for not so much getting rid 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: of it, because like I said, you just have to 108 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: learn to live with it, but kind of easing that 109 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: is having sponsors slash allies that I can turn to 110 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: for advice. So if there was a hiring manager that 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: brought you into the company, they obviously see potential in 112 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: you and they wanted you for a reason. So remind 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: yourself that even if I don't know if I can 114 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: do this, you know, Janis or whoever hired you, Richard, 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: they believe in me. They think that I belong here, 116 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: So let me go to them and ask questions. Asking 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: questions is another really good tool to use and one 118 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: that you may be afraid to actually do because you're worried. Okay, well, 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: if I'm asking questquestions and people may not think that 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: I'm ready to do this, But your first thirty days 121 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: in a job like this is that honeymoon phase when 122 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: you can you can ask those questions. You can you know, 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: make sure you know where the bathroom is, and on 124 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: a larger scale, make sure you know how this system 125 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: works or how that tool works. Ask all your questions. 126 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Ask all the questions. The worst thing you can do 127 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: is walk into this role and pretend like you already 128 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: know what's going on, and then just suffer in silence 129 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: because you're like, oh, crap, I have no idea what 130 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: anyone's talking about. I don't know what those acronyms mean. 131 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Ask a lot of questions, and if you don't feel 132 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: comfortable speaking out in you know, semi public settings like 133 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: in a group meeting, that's when you turn to that sponsor, 134 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: that mentor that ally, the person who brought you in, 135 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: the person who referred you, or your directs, your direct supervisor, 136 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: and just ask them, hey, I've actually I've been here 137 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: a few days and I've come up with a list 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: of questions I would love to grab, you know, half 139 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: an hour of your time and just walk through these 140 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: questions so that I feel more prepared to do the 141 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: job that I'm here to do. Largely in companies, you 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: know you're going to have a team there who's gonna 143 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: want you to succeed, because if you don't succeed, then 144 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: it makes them look bad, and you know people don't 145 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: like to look bad, right, so they're gonna want to 146 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: help you. Ask for help, ask questions. Recognize that if 147 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: you're feeling like a bit of an imposter, that's just 148 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: a sign girlfriend, that you are doing the right thing, 149 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: that you are probably in the right place for yourself 150 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: because you are growing. All right, BA fan Up next, 151 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: more on how to be your best advocate at work. 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: All right, ba fam, we are back. Our next question 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: comes from an anonymous IG fan. Again, we're at Branda 154 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Mission podcast on IG, so follow us. You can dem 155 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: us your questions there. Okay, So this person says, Hey, Mandy, 156 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: I just saw your TikTok about that Mercedes recruiter. I 157 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: have a question, and I hope it's not too forward 158 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: or bold of me to ask. I want to renegotiate 159 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: my pay. I feel like I'm underpaid as the only 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: billing specialist doing work for two emergency rooms. Any advice 161 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: on how I can go about that? Okay? So, if 162 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: you guys haven't seen this yet, you've got to check out. 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: You can go to my ig. I'm at Mandy Money 164 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: on Insta and I'm at Mandy Money with three a's 165 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: on TikTok, and basically what happened was there is this recruiter. 166 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: Her name is Mercedes S. Johnson. I'll never forget her 167 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: name now. So she posted on LinkedIn a screenshot or 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: she posted on LinkedIn, and she was bragging about having 169 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: a job candidate accept an offer for eighty five K, 170 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: and she decided to take time out of her day 171 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: to go on LinkedIn and make fun of this person 172 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: and say, you know, the budget was actually one hundred 173 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: and thirty five K, and I don't have time to 174 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: help people learn how to negotiate. I just want you 175 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: guys to know it's really important to know your value. 176 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: And I think I, like a lot of people had 177 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: a visceral reaction to that post from Mercedes because one 178 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it was just dumb. Two it was not helpful at all. 179 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: I think she thought she was really doing something profound 180 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: with that post, trying to inspire people to know their 181 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: value and to negotiate. But I just don't see how 182 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: she can say she didn't have time to give advice 183 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: to that job candidate, but yet she did have time 184 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: to go on the internet and post about it. You know, 185 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: I just thought it was really especially for someone in 186 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: her position as a recruiter, you know she's in a 187 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: place of power. And also you know she in her 188 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: public persona talks about herself being someone who helps people 189 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: negotiate and you know, fulfill their career ambitions. And I 190 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: just think it was, oh, I don't know, it was. 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: It was a bad look for miss Mercedes. But to 192 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: this questions point, it was a good reminder, and we'll 193 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: just try to find a silver lining here. It was 194 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: a good reminder of why it is so important for 195 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: us as job candidates. Advocating for ourselves in the workplace 196 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: is so important because even the people who think maybe 197 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: there to help you get what you deserve, ultimately, we 198 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: are always going to have our best interest and we 199 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: should have our best interest at heart all of the time, 200 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: and we have to learn to step up for ourselves 201 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: and to do our own research to find out when 202 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: we are not being valued way that we should be valued. 203 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: So in your situation, Anonymous, where you say you actually 204 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: want to renegotiate your pay, you feel like you're being underpaid, 205 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like you're working in the medical field. And honestly, listen, 206 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: I've got family who work in hospitals and it is 207 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: grueling work, and there is so much turnover as a 208 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: result of the pandemic that there are people like you 209 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: who are being left doing more work than ever but 210 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: not actually getting paid anything differently, So renegotiating pay Listen, 211 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: I am the person who will who will always push 212 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: people to just ask the questions, no matter how you 213 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: know bold they may seem. Ask the question. You know, 214 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: go to your manager and just say, point blank, you know, 215 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: I've I have been taking on all this additional work. 216 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: Is there any opportunity to discuss my compensation and to 217 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: get an increase? You can absolutely do that. You don't 218 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: have to wait for your animal review cycle. Just go 219 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: ahead and do it. I can't promise you they're going 220 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: to do something about it. I'm not even gonna I 221 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: don't even know what the odds are that they may 222 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: do something about it. Your best bet is to get 223 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: a competing offer from another job that's actually going to 224 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: pay you more, and then you can actually bring that 225 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: to your current employer and say, you know, I've got 226 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: an offer from X, Y Z, and they're offering me 227 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: double what you're paying me, or fifty percent more, whatever 228 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: it is. You have to be ready you should be 229 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: ready prepared to take that new offer and walk. But 230 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: that can be some that can be really good leverage, 231 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: especially if you're you know, you want to stay, but 232 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: you just want to be paid what you're worth. Sometimes companies, 233 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't give them a reason, like 234 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: a really good reason to give you a pay raise, 235 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: they can like drag their feet. They just don't have 236 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: that incentive, you know, So the risk of you walking down, 237 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: like walking away from the job and leaving them in 238 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: the lurch. Sometimes you just got to like play hardball 239 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: in that way. You got to say, like, yo, I'm 240 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: ready to walk, I've got this juicy offer, what are 241 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: you going to do about it? And then you can 242 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: see how fast they move to get you that raise. Okay, 243 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: So that's my advice to you. You can ask the question, 244 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: and I would go ahead and ask that now, just 245 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: to establish the fact that they know, okay, she's asked 246 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 1: for this, she's feeling overworked, and then they can actually 247 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: then you give them some time to figure out what 248 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: they're going to do, and then on your own going 249 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: out and you know, leveraging your network, telling everyone that 250 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: you're looking for a new opportunity, seeing what else is 251 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: out there getting some interviews you know, and fine and 252 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: potentially even getting a different offer. Then you can bring 253 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: that additional leverage to them and use that for your 254 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: negotiation process. All right, thank you very much for that question. Hey, hey, 255 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: bea fam it's Bandy and I am back to answer 256 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: more of your juicy, juicy career in finance questions again. 257 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: Hit us up at brandonbissionpodcast dot com or are ig 258 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: at brand and Bission Podcast with all of your juicy 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: money and career questions. I am really excited about this question, 260 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: Rebecca says, First and foremost, send my love to Tiffany 261 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: as she's healing. Thank you very much for that, and 262 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: I will send some extra love to Tiffany myself. Rebecca says, 263 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: I love you both, and I get so much great 264 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: advice and insights into navigating the professional world as a 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: woman of color. My question today is about my boss. 266 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm a recruiter and the company that I work for 267 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: is wonderful. I love the culture they're cultivating. I don't 268 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: want to make a move, but my boss is extremely 269 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: tough to work with right now, she's overstressed and obsessed 270 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: with hitting all our KPIs regardless of whether we hit 271 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: our financial goal that we commit to every month. To 272 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: boil it down, she finds a way to give us 273 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 1: backhanded compliments on our performance as an office and it's 274 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: honestly demoralizing. I've heard this from many co workers as well. 275 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: We've been venting to each other and it's becoming toxic 276 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: to the culture. I want to say something to her, 277 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: but she is a domineering and stubborn force. I would 278 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: love if you can give me some tips on how 279 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: to approach her. Ooh yeah, toxic bosses? Why do they 280 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: have to ruin everything? And you know what's great about 281 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: this question? I mean, obviously it sucks and I feel 282 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: bad for you, but I love that you can have 283 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: at least you're identifying and recognizing that your company culture 284 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: is largely good. So what sucks is that you've got 285 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: a boss who's like screwing it up because largely the 286 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: culture itself is very different than what your interactions with 287 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: this boss have been. So how can we tattle on her? 288 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. I don't actually think 289 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: it's your job to fix her or make her a 290 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: better manager. My question is like, how can we tattle 291 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: on her in a strategic way to get her out 292 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: of your way so that you can actually enjoy this 293 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: great culture that this company is committed to building. And 294 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I think toxic managers like her deserve to be called 295 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: out and dealt with because they're ruining like an employees experience. 296 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: And if companies want to retain employees and not have 297 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: us all quitting on them, they need to know who 298 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: their shitty bosses are. Who are the shitty managers who 299 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: actually could use a little bit of professional development support, 300 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: some training like who deserves and the manager sect to 301 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: get a performance improvement plan, And it sounds like your 302 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: boss does. So what are the levers that you can 303 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: pull within your company to actually let people know that 304 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: this manager is making it harder for you to do 305 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: your job and it's not just you. So that's my 306 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: first question. I've worked at places where you could actually 307 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: once a year, they would have a survey that you 308 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: could send out and you could provide anonymous feedback on 309 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: your manager. But if you guys have that annual survey 310 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: and if it's not coming up in the next couple 311 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: of weeks, then I think it's time to actually take 312 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: this to it can be either someone in HR. It 313 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: can be your boss's boss. You can arrange something called 314 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: the skip level meeting, where you intentionally reach out to 315 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: a person above your boss and have a candid conversation 316 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: about what you've been experiencing. Do not go in there. 317 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: This is my advice to you. Don't go in there 318 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: empty handed. In terms of data and information and actual 319 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: examples of what has happened, I think you should definitely 320 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: be in the collecting of data phase right now. So 321 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: start writing out what has she said, what has she 322 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: done that has created a toxic work culture, And the 323 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: more concrete examples you can give, the more likely it 324 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: is that they will actually do something about them. So 325 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: if you walk into your manager's manager's office and you say, hey, 326 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: I'm having a really hard time with Tracy. She's making 327 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: my job just you know, horrible and awful. Now, you're 328 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: just creating a problem that this manager's manager has to 329 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: figure out, make their job a little bit easier, and 330 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: also make it more likely that they're going to take 331 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: your claim seriously. By having some cold, hard facts. Not 332 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: only does this illustrate the reality of what's going on, 333 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: but it also shows them, well, this person is bad 334 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: enough where Rebecca feels like she has to keep tabs 335 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: on all these different instances and occurrences. So put the power. 336 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: Take the power back in a little bit of control 337 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: by starting to document all of the situations that have 338 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: occurred where this boss has, like I said, created a 339 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: toxic environment, ben demoralizing. Take screenshots if she's texting or 340 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: sending emails or slack messages, whatever it is that are 341 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: causing these situations. Take your screenshots, get organized, and then 342 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: plan a meeting. And if you want to combine forces 343 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: with the other people on your team, there really is 344 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: power and numbers if a company knows that it's not 345 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: just one person who's having an issue with this boss, 346 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: it's six people. And by the way, this team is 347 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: in danger of falling upon heart, as are our financial 348 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: goals and our business goals for this team. Believe me, 349 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: they will listen to you. So I think there's power 350 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: and numbers if you want to get together a little 351 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: consortium or a group of colleagues and maybe set up 352 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: a group meeting to speak in a safe space with 353 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: your manager's manager, whoever else at the company you can 354 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: identify to accept this kind of complaint. That's a good strategy, 355 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: but definitely walk in there with concrete examples. It's going 356 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: to make everything go a lot faster and be a 357 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: lot more likely that they're actually going to take action. Now, 358 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: how they react to your complaints about this manager and 359 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: your documentation is going to tell you the real truth 360 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: about their work culture. If they really are committed to 361 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: creating the kind of culture that you're describing, where they 362 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: want people to feel welcome, where they want you to 363 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: do your best work and to be thriving, and yes, 364 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: we're going to achieve our business goals, we're not going 365 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: to do it at the expense of our mental health 366 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: and the expense of our happiness in general, then they 367 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: will take your complaints seriously, or they should and actually 368 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: either do something meaningful to get this manager, you know, 369 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 1: on the right path. They should get rid of her, 370 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: reassign her, maybe they can reassign you to someone else. 371 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: They should do something, take some sort of action, maybe 372 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: give them, I don't know, a few weeks to do something. 373 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: But if they don't do something, then that actually tells 374 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: you what they really mean about that culture they're trying 375 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: to cultivate, Because if they're not going to solve this problem, 376 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: then that culture was always a ticking time bomb. It 377 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: was always going to fall apart because they're not protecting it. 378 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Companies have to be protective. They have to be unapologetically 379 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: protective about anything that can be a threat to employee retention, 380 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: employee happiness, and to that culture that they say that 381 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: they want to cultivate. And the uncomfortable truth about that 382 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: is that they're going to have to identify these shitty 383 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: managers and do something about them. And the more companies 384 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: are willing to acknowledge that it's not just the lowest, 385 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, entry level employee that they have to pay 386 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: attention to, it's managers, Like why aren't we training better 387 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: managers like we cause they're causing so many issues out 388 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: there right. So I'm obviously really really fired up about 389 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: how important it is for companies to identify, you know, 390 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: crappy managers, give them the support and training that they need. 391 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that it's your boss's fault, that 392 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe she's creating this. She may not even be aware 393 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: of it, and you know what, it may be coming 394 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: from her higher ups. They may be putting pressure on her. 395 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: So we need to like get to the root cause 396 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: of it and they need to fix it. And if 397 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: they don't fix it, then I think it's okay for 398 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: you to move on, you know, find a company where 399 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: you can work for, you know, work for that actually 400 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: enforces the culture that they, you know, talk about creating 401 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: or potentially moving to a different team at your company. 402 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: So keeping an ear out and an eye out for 403 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: who says they love working for their manager and see 404 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: if maybe you could request a transfer to that team. 405 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: Even like, you got to look out for yourself, right, 406 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: and you got to you gotta put your own foot 407 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: forward when it comes to coming up with solutions. Sometimes 408 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: that work best for you because the company may not 409 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: always know what's what's best for you personally, but you're 410 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: always going to have, you know, your best interests in mind, right, 411 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: So if they don't have a good solution that works 412 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: for you, sometimes colming with your own idea of a 413 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: solution can help. Thank you so much for your question. 414 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for setting this in. I hope things improve, 415 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: but definitely pluck up the courage, get a couple of 416 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: your colleagues together, go at this as a team and 417 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: a unified front, and I think you'll actually have a 418 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: really good chance about getting some sort of action taken 419 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: in this case. Thanks y'all for listening. This is Mandy 420 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: again with Brown Ambition. Remember hit us up at Brownambition 421 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: podcast dot com. That is your one stop destination for 422 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: submitting your questions. If you want to be anonymous, just 423 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: let us know. Anything career and finance related is on 424 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: the table. 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