WEBVTT - Zelda: Shookarina Of Time

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<v Speaker 1>She knows how to um spool a yarn? What is

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<v Speaker 1>that say, lad dollar Bart will know how to know

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<v Speaker 1>it's had a spool a yarn? If you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Welcome to like a virgin. The show we

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<v Speaker 1>give yesterday's pop culture Today it's takes. I'm Rose damn you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Fran to Rondo Fran What would you if

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<v Speaker 1>you had to guess, what do you think would be

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<v Speaker 1>the most fuckable pasta? I thought, I mean, my first

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<v Speaker 1>thought is like, um, you know, a fusili like a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a dense, chewy noodle that's PC so

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy to you know, fuck. Okay, So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little more specific than than the question was intended to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Because virgins, if you're on a where UM a porn

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<v Speaker 1>creator UM by the name of I actually don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what their name is, as as if it matters, UM

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<v Speaker 1>unleashed a video onto the world and which he um

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<v Speaker 1>fucked flesh lights full of several different kinds of pasta,

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<v Speaker 1>each fleshlight with a different with a different kind of pasta,

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<v Speaker 1>And we're not talking about like types of noodles. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's where you're you're getting very specific into that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about like he he fucked like Bucatini

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<v Speaker 1>versus angel Hair. That's like he was fucking. He was

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<v Speaker 1>fucking pasta dishes. So he was like las Macaronian cheese,

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<v Speaker 1>um like bulonaise and um. So I did not subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>to his I did not buy the video so I

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<v Speaker 1>could find out which was the most fuckable pasta. But

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<v Speaker 1>I have watched the teaser clip that he released several

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<v Speaker 1>times and your review, Um, I mean it's weird. He

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a Weirdoh um, no surprise there. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of have to be. But I also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of love him for this. And if I had to,

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<v Speaker 1>if I had to guess, I would say lasagna would

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<v Speaker 1>be the most fuckable pasta. There's something about it being

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<v Speaker 1>like a sort of pasta casserole that lends itself to

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<v Speaker 1>a certain softness. I that that that sounds wretched. I

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<v Speaker 1>really there are a lot of foods that I would fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>but pasta is just not one of them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's because it's like cheesy, or if

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<v Speaker 1>it's because it's like kind of like pec and like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like it's got this like chewy soggy texture

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<v Speaker 1>that like actually sends a shiver down my spine. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just so many foods that I would suck before.

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<v Speaker 1>I would suck pasta. Would you are there other foods

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<v Speaker 1>that you would fuck? No? I wouldn't suck any food

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<v Speaker 1>I would fuck like a pie, okay, Jason Biggs, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe like a like a birthday cake, because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really Oh, I would suck a cake. I would

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<v Speaker 1>definitely like a butter cream, but like as a joke,

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<v Speaker 1>not not for any sort of sexual place. I would

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<v Speaker 1>do it for the TikTok. Yeah. The thing about the

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<v Speaker 1>video that did um disgusted me for a second until

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<v Speaker 1>I realized what the purpose of it was was that

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<v Speaker 1>he was wearing a condom, and I was like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you grow up. But then I thought about it and

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<v Speaker 1>it's food. And I don't really think you want tomato

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<v Speaker 1>sauce going up your urethra. No, you don't want You

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<v Speaker 1>don't want night shades on your dick, Mama, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want some that acidic quality. Okay, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>too many tomatoes. No, no, no, um, yeah, I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand how the internet gets to these places honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me think of the guy that had like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forty two loads in one day or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember that guy that how many loads? I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know exactly if you're talking for the virgins, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not aware, sometime last year there was a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who decided to take forty two loads. He actually lives

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<v Speaker 1>like three blocks away from me because I see him

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<v Speaker 1>on grinding her all the time. Um, but like I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot about this episode of Nympho Wars where

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<v Speaker 1>Theta talks about them the experienced poisoning effect of discourse

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<v Speaker 1>and how it's so much like this like subsect of

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<v Speaker 1>kink and fetish culture and how kink and just like

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<v Speaker 1>porn porn acting in general has become like not like

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<v Speaker 1>the what is the maximum amount of pleasure I can get?

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<v Speaker 1>And more like what is the most what is the

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<v Speaker 1>craziest experience that I can like put my body through

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<v Speaker 1>for shock value? Because like shock is like actually the pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>like being polarizing is the pleasure. Like it's so it's

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<v Speaker 1>about it's about creating a meme. I mean, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has fucked different types of fast of like delivery pizzas before,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's fucked Papa John's versus Dominoes versus. And let

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<v Speaker 1>me tell you, I am not sticking my dick in

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<v Speaker 1>Papa John's. I love Papa John's. Actually, um, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Papa John's. Probably Papa John is problematic because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>Trump supporter, right. It's Papa John. He loves the wall

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<v Speaker 1>wants to build it. U. So, um, you haven't been

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<v Speaker 1>sucking any pizza or postiblately, what have you been up to?

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<v Speaker 1>What have I been fucking? I did actually have sex

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend, had sex. I had sex with two different

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<v Speaker 1>people this weekend. I'm in my slat era right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to talk about it on the on

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<v Speaker 1>the Potter? Are we going to just tease the virgins

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're just not Phoebe says don't. Phoebe says yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about it. Should we hate about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean all the this is all I'm gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in my slat era right now because, as as

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<v Speaker 1>I might have said, I'm like trying to like date

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<v Speaker 1>and fuck at the same time and have them both

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<v Speaker 1>be fulfilling. Because if I'm having fulfilling sex, then that

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<v Speaker 1>like takes the pressure off of dating and I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>fulfilling dates that then that takes the pressure off of

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to find intimacy through sex. So I think,

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<v Speaker 1>like doing these two things, yeah, I'm like getting different.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting the different I'm getting different needs met from

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<v Speaker 1>different places. Okay, way, maybe you're actually describing something that

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<v Speaker 1>I was searching for this past weekend because I was

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<v Speaker 1>in pursuit of dates with an individual who will not

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<v Speaker 1>be named UM, and long story short, I was crushing

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<v Speaker 1>very hard on someone UM for the better part of

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<v Speaker 1>like a week, and was in pursuit of these dates

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<v Speaker 1>and felt like I was putting forth all this effort

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<v Speaker 1>and not getting any reciprocity at all, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we had an amazing first date, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>realizing that part of my frustration was through the fact that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I wanted to fuck, And so I scheduled a

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<v Speaker 1>date with someone else who I had been sexting for

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<v Speaker 1>a while or just been flirting with for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we had all this kind of energy and

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<v Speaker 1>like they did they did already want to see me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to see them, And UM spent like

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<v Speaker 1>all of Saturday just like getting stone and watching dragons

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of like digging around. It was like literally

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<v Speaker 1>literally digging around. It was phenomenal. And also just like

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<v Speaker 1>I just like like I need hours of like love

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<v Speaker 1>sech like love bombing and like in de muse and

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<v Speaker 1>like warmth. And I think that like the next were catapulted,

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<v Speaker 1>but don't But don't you find that when you get

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of even if it's not like love bombing

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<v Speaker 1>or like cuddling or anything, when you get like a

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<v Speaker 1>really satisfying sexual experience, it like catapults here next week

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's like I feel like I have so much

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<v Speaker 1>more momentum and like um, Sarah Tonin and things in

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<v Speaker 1>my him that just makes me ready to conquer the way. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I I do feel recharged in a certain way after

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<v Speaker 1>having a lot of sex this weekend and also like spinach. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and also the thing you were talking about about, like um,

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<v Speaker 1>like alleviating the nerves from someone like you're very into

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<v Speaker 1>by having sex with someone that you like you already know,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't you already? Yeah, Like that's kind of how I

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<v Speaker 1>feel about um. When I had plans with someone to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up this weekend and like an hour and a

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<v Speaker 1>half before they came over, I jerked off and that

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<v Speaker 1>made it No, It made the sex so much better

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, not so like, oh, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to get my nut like right now. I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very chill. You're making me realize right now

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't have a lip color on. You have

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing lip color on right I don't. I just

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<v Speaker 1>have that is all I have on is lip bomb

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<v Speaker 1>that is not your natural lip color. Look at my

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<v Speaker 1>lips next to yours. I look like I look like

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<v Speaker 1>a corpse. Wow. You look so lush you Wow. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because you know what, I'm so fresh faced because

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in the trenches trying to get Beyonce tickets

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. Girl. Okay, I've like I've been waitlisted, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I'd had three different kinds of preregistration, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am worried. Virgins, If you have a Beyonce hook up,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to add me to your purchasing bundle,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to get into the pit with me,

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<v Speaker 1>if if anybody wants to help me find a Beyonce

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<v Speaker 1>hook up. I need Beyonce tickets. This is Beyonce. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening, we would love to go to your shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You wouldn't go. You don't go to I would go

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<v Speaker 1>to it, you would. You don't even do auditorium shows

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<v Speaker 1>that much. I mean, I listen lately with all of

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<v Speaker 1>the ticket buying drama, I'm feeling very good as a

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<v Speaker 1>person who does not care about going to concerts. But

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<v Speaker 1>if someone handed me Beyonce tickets, obviously I'm going. I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen her live before. I mean, and when

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<v Speaker 1>I say handed me tickets, like if someone said, here

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<v Speaker 1>are Beyonce tickets you can buy, I was gonna sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like having to deal with like a whole like rigamarole,

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<v Speaker 1>like just so the versions. No, I'll pay big money.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll i will actually do some unspeakable things to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do I'll do hand stuff. I'll do I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>feat stuff too. I will absolutely do feat stuff. I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll maybe do some piss. I will sell you my underwear,

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<v Speaker 1>I will sell you my socks. I will. I will

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<v Speaker 1>actually do so much. I mean, I draw the line

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<v Speaker 1>of I draw the line at Scott, but right, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't negotiable nigstable Um, it's actually so fucked like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually honestly like kind of worried that I won't get

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<v Speaker 1>Beyonce tickets because I kind of got really lucky with

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<v Speaker 1>Adele and I got really lucky with Chromatica, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, is this the one the most important concert?

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<v Speaker 1>Out of any concert I would the one that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get, Like, I'll be devastated. Ah, girl,

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<v Speaker 1>did you watch the Grammys yesterday? I did not. I

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<v Speaker 1>the Grammys are I think have the biggest flop energy

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<v Speaker 1>of any award show. They always take away too long,

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<v Speaker 1>the winds and losses are very inconsistent, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of excruciating to watch. So at most I'll

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<v Speaker 1>usually watch the performance as the next day on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Um you know, obviously I was on Twitter last night,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was somewhat aware of what was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I know Beyonce I didn't win Album of the Year.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we want that twin obliterated. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the only thing worth discussing. I watched the Grammys

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<v Speaker 1>because our friend Zack Stafford asked me to watch um

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<v Speaker 1>over with Sam Sander, So I felt like I was

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<v Speaker 1>getting like a preliminary episode of vibe Check, which is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of funny, but yeah, definitely huge flop energy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on Golden Globes level of like floppery because they're I

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<v Speaker 1>think just the Recording Academy is like so busted and

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<v Speaker 1>they still don't know what the funk they're doing, um

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<v Speaker 1>watching Harry except this award. Did you see the video

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<v Speaker 1>at all? No, I completely avoided it. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>he said something about how people like him don't win

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<v Speaker 1>awards like this, which is like, yeah, yeah, Phoebe just exclaimed,

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<v Speaker 1>Um yeah, that's absolutely insane because um, straight white Twinks

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<v Speaker 1>have been winning awards since the dawn of time. I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to I would like to bestow my assessment

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<v Speaker 1>of what I saw on screen that is, like fully

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<v Speaker 1>just like me thinking about what was happening, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, what's whack is that, like, out of these

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<v Speaker 1>album of the year like artists, like the Academy is

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<v Speaker 1>so much more likely to throw it to like Aba

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even cold Play or like or honestly just

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<v Speaker 1>Adele Again, like I had prepared myself for the grief

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<v Speaker 1>of Beyonce losing to someone that the Academy just like

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<v Speaker 1>would award, but the fact that it's Harry for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>involved is like so embarrassing, And that album was boring

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<v Speaker 1>as Yes, that album it is a mid ass album

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<v Speaker 1>with like two songs, two good songs, maybe three, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it is so forgettable and so not the work of

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<v Speaker 1>his career and so not worth awarding beyond like a track.

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<v Speaker 1>And and I think that Harry knew immediately because when

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<v Speaker 1>you see him getting awarded, it's just like he goes

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<v Speaker 1>like white in the face, Like you can tell that

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<v Speaker 1>not only was he not expecting it, but he had

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<v Speaker 1>not prepared a speech at all. And by the time

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<v Speaker 1>he had gotten up on stage, you can see he

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<v Speaker 1>is realizing in real time that he's the most hated

0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.760
<v Speaker 1>man in America. And then and and he's realizing Andy

0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.680
<v Speaker 1>will be done with Yes, he's realizing in real time

0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:13.559
<v Speaker 1>the optics and implications of his win over someone like Beyonce.

0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Let alone all of the other artists in this category,

0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.920
<v Speaker 1>but Beyonce. Most of all, it is about Beyonce. And

0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.880
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you, the first he gets up there,

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<v Speaker 1>he's white in the face, he's like dead, scared for

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<v Speaker 1>his life. And the first thing he says is he

0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.000
<v Speaker 1>goes he goes, well, you know, as recording artists like no,

0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:39.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's really the best, right, Like he's like, you know,

0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.440
<v Speaker 1>we know what this is so so silly. We don't

0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.280
<v Speaker 1>really call each other the best, Like there's no hierarchy, right,

0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:49.480
<v Speaker 1>guys like zero self awareness. He stumbles over his words.

0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.640
<v Speaker 1>He realized, he's realizing like how bad this is, and

0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:58.840
<v Speaker 1>then from his mouth he sputters things like this don't

0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.400
<v Speaker 1>happen to people like me, and then he just like

0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.000
<v Speaker 1>runs away, like he just like disappears behind the crowd.

0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.520
<v Speaker 1>He's like been cut off the mic. Like it's crazy.

0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:10.120
<v Speaker 1>It is the craziest possible thing for him to have said.

0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.040
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure the second he got of stage, his

0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.000
<v Speaker 1>manager was like, what the fuck did you just do?

0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I also I also heard his performance was bad, terrible.

0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.760
<v Speaker 1>He was asleep at the wheel the first the first

0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.360
<v Speaker 1>like twenty seconds of him singing. I actually thought that

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<v Speaker 1>something was wrong, that that something really bad had happened,

0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.040
<v Speaker 1>or like something had malfunctioned right before curtain because the

0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.920
<v Speaker 1>first like fifteen to twenty seconds there's it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>there's something wrong you anybody, anybody who watched, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to know if I was the only one

0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.040
<v Speaker 1>vibing on that, But I'm like scared for Harry, like

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<v Speaker 1>that they have just gonna like destroy him. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know Harry's house is about to be Harry's disasters of

0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it's crumbled, like Beyonce is about to huff and puff

0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and blow that all Dwyn, She's not going to do

0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it because she's so above it. Although I'm sure like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this has happened to her so many

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<v Speaker 1>any times, like I'm sure it does like fucking wear

0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.480
<v Speaker 1>on her. But she should just never go to the

0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Grammys again, like it's fucked, it really is, and and

0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:09.920
<v Speaker 1>for her to be there, it's like she doesn't give

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck, but it's insulting. It is at this point

0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:19.240
<v Speaker 1>four times over, insulting for her to lose to some schlep. Yeah,

0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think losing to Adele was like sheppy, but

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<v Speaker 1>the other three that she lost to, which were back

0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift Taylor for Fearless, but that was for I

0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Am Sasha Fears, So like whatever, okay, fine, yeah, yeah,

0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.240
<v Speaker 1>I do think Fearless is a better album than I

0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Am Sasha Fears. But I was talking to Zack and

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<v Speaker 1>Sam about this after and like something that we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about was just like how I'm like I actually

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<v Speaker 1>like Harry, like charming young man, a great style. I

0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.200
<v Speaker 1>think he has. He's like on the road to like

0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.520
<v Speaker 1>make better music, but he's just not making the best

0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.120
<v Speaker 1>work of his career right now. I don't think he

0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 1>has even come close to the level that he should

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<v Speaker 1>be at, considering how celebritized he is, Like I'm much

0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.160
<v Speaker 1>more in interest it in like the celebrity of Harry

0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.119
<v Speaker 1>styles just but I don't. I think his music is average,

0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is fun, and that's why it's so annoying. And so

0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that this is a moment that is crystallizing

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the problems of Harry and like what

0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.360
<v Speaker 1>we award and when he says things like this don't

0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.720
<v Speaker 1>happen to people like me, it's like no, actually, like yeah,

0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you're like a white cis attractive, like celebrity who has

0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.280
<v Speaker 1>risen to pop stardom, like this happens to thousands, like

0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.200
<v Speaker 1>so many people like you, um and um. The worst

0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:35.200
<v Speaker 1>part is he did it like while wearing queer, transgender

0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.040
<v Speaker 1>not conforming aesthetic and use that aesthetic to get to

0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the place that he's at and would not be at

0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the place that he's at without that aesthetic. And yet

0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Beyonce is like taking all of these collaborators and people

0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to make something like Renaissance where they are her lateral collaborators,

0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:55.199
<v Speaker 1>and that could have been awarded instead like something in

0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.280
<v Speaker 1>it that is so much more in good conscience up

0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.919
<v Speaker 1>a kind of a willing heart of like queer and

0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.720
<v Speaker 1>trans like culture and community, and yet gets totally overlooked

0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.600
<v Speaker 1>for something that is so so watered down and so mayonnaise.

0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:16.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, at least Unholy one one truly

0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:21.160
<v Speaker 1>truly listen. I'm very happy for I'm so happy. I'm

0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.640
<v Speaker 1>happy for Kim. It was so sweet when she shouted

0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.760
<v Speaker 1>out Sophie. But Unholy is one of the worst songs

0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:32.359
<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. Yeah, it really, it really is. I

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:36.399
<v Speaker 1>mean that song is like, like I do, Okay, here's

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.399
<v Speaker 1>the real problem that we're not saying. We do not

0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:42.080
<v Speaker 1>need to hear Sam Smith saying the words I'd be

0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.439
<v Speaker 1>popping it in like the Year of Our Lord, Like

0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:51.159
<v Speaker 1>it just smells rotten. And I think that Sam Smith's

0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:52.800
<v Speaker 1>new aesthetic. I know, there's like a lot of chatter

0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.000
<v Speaker 1>about like the new Sam Smith. I think Sam Smith's

0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.720
<v Speaker 1>new asthetic. Lovely love the crystals, love the thongs, the corsets,

0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like I think it's amazing, and I think that this

0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.360
<v Speaker 1>is a much more interesting era of Sam's music than

0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Sam Smith's previous I just don't need to see another

0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:12.119
<v Speaker 1>tweet that's like, if a skinny white gay war this,

0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:17.400
<v Speaker 1>y'all would be blah blah blah, shut up, I like stop,

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Like it's the most base level discourse I just But also,

0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.440
<v Speaker 1>if a skinny white twink was wearing this, I would

0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.440
<v Speaker 1>hate it a lot more like I really would hate

0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.360
<v Speaker 1>it more like what Sam is wearing is still kind

0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of generic, Like this all read like Entourage photo moment

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.680
<v Speaker 1>that they had. It feels like a watered down version

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.440
<v Speaker 1>of things we've seen before, from like Valentino or from

0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.880
<v Speaker 1>like certain music videos. It's literally just the bad romance video,

0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's bad since it's been over ten years

0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.879
<v Speaker 1>since that. Oh my fucking god, Rose, it's fucking bad romance.

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even fucking think about all these bitches. Is

0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:59.760
<v Speaker 1>her son's that's the thing, and Unholy are her little monsters? Also?

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:04.360
<v Speaker 1>I hate Unholy? But how do you sleep? Went triple

0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:10.560
<v Speaker 1>platinum in my home? Speaking of annoying gaze, um, I

0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.720
<v Speaker 1>saw Knock at the Cabin yesterday and it was bad. Right,

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 1>it was bad. I thought maybe you got to defend

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 1>some of it. No, it was bad. It was Here's

0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 1>the thing about m Night Chamelon, you know, like you

0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.160
<v Speaker 1>always go into his movies expecting some kind of twist,

0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and the thing about Knock at the Cabin is that

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no twist. And you get the sense that like

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that's the twist, is that there's no twist. And I

0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.960
<v Speaker 1>hated it. It was so boring. I also went and

0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:46.440
<v Speaker 1>read the Wikipedia summary of the book that it's based

0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.080
<v Speaker 1>on afterwards, and the it's very different and the plot

0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 1>of the books on it so much more interesting. Um,

0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, good performances. I thought Dave Bautisto was really great.

0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:00.960
<v Speaker 1>The young child actor who plays the gay couple's daughter

0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>was very good. Um, the gay guy in the movie

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.720
<v Speaker 1>who's not Jonathan Groff was hot. Jonathan Groff was Jonathan

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Groff ing all over the place. He even sang, which

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's like in his contract because there's a

0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.040
<v Speaker 1>scene where they're like singing along to a song in

0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the car. It was just boring and um, I like

0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.640
<v Speaker 1>could just not have watched it. So wait. So spoiler

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.960
<v Speaker 1>alert for the Virgins at the end, does the does

0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the world end? No, But it turns out that what

0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.359
<v Speaker 1>they were saying that, So the whole plot of the

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.640
<v Speaker 1>movie is that, um, these intruders come to this cabin

0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and tell this family the world is going to end

0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 1>unless you decide to sacrifice one of the members of

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.679
<v Speaker 1>your family. And then they tell them that each of

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the four people who have come there like will ask

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 1>them repeatedly if they're going to save the world, and

0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.400
<v Speaker 1>when they say no, that person kills themselves, and then

0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the other like people also kill them and as each

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 1>person dies, a plague is unleashed onto humanity, and um,

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 1>like they show them the TV to show that it's

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.199
<v Speaker 1>actually happening. They're like, no, this can't be real, Like

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 1>this is a hoax whatever. Um, But at the end

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:21.160
<v Speaker 1>of the movie they're like convinced that it's actually happening,

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and so they do pick one of them to die.

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 1>And then at the end of the movie, it's just

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.640
<v Speaker 1>like the apocalypse has been averted and like all these

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy catastrophes happened, but they're over now and ends of them. Yeah,

0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so bad. They sacrifice a child, No, they

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice Jonathan Groff ah, they would, but from the synopsis

0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 1>in the book, what happens in the book is that

0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>the child is killed by accident, but it doesn't count,

0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.760
<v Speaker 1>so they still have to kill one of them, and

0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 1>then they ultimately decide not to and to like just

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>let the world end. I also think in the book

0:22:57.600 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 1>that they it never becomes clear to them if this

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.679
<v Speaker 1>is actually happening because they're in such a remote location.

0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I just would have preferred that

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.359
<v Speaker 1>version of the movie, or I would have preferred something

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.639
<v Speaker 1>that was more ambiguous about whether or not any of

0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:16.520
<v Speaker 1>this was real. So it just it was very like literal.

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>It was very much like holding the audience's hand all

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>through it. So one he is, He's not in much

0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of it, but he was good. He honestly rupercrant alone

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:33.240
<v Speaker 1>would get me to watch the Servant or would suck. Also,

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>one other thing I just wanted to mention briefly is

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I finally saw the Terry McClair exhibit at the Brooklyn

0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Museum on Friday when my mom was My mom was

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in town and I took her to it, and it

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>is so cool and beautiful. It's amazing to see those

0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 1>clothes up close. Definitely, if you're in New York go.

0:23:54.280 --> 0:24:00.040
<v Speaker 1>I believe it's open through May maybe, um, although I

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.600
<v Speaker 1>will say Brooklyn Museum. The exhibit does not have like

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 1>a an ending that you walk out of it just

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like you have to like loop back around

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and go back through it. It's just like not it's confusing.

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not laid out in in a dynamic way. So

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.719
<v Speaker 1>this is such a friendly is such a friendly wit

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>stake away? It's like, why did I walk it here?

0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>It should be like an amusement park ride, Like there

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 1>should be an exit, you know, there should be an

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.560
<v Speaker 1>exit through the gift shop, right. I think museums are

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe intentionally like labyrinthine to get you lost in them. Yeah,

0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.560
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think you should like go to the

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 1>end of the exhibit and then it's just like there's

0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing that's like okay, this is all there is. You

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 1>just are like, oh, I guess I have to go

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>back through half of the exhibit and then just like

0:24:46.359 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>walk out a random side door. That was dumb. That

0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:55.280
<v Speaker 1>was dumb. But great gowns, beautiful gowns. Great gowns, beautiful gowns.

0:24:55.320 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to go. I'm definitely going. Rose, I

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.479
<v Speaker 1>am honestly nervous for today's episode, Like I feel like

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I have. I feel like a lot

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.080
<v Speaker 1>of pressure because today we're trying to cover you know,

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like a patron saint of of culture, Like she is

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 1>like just an idol among us, Um, Dolly Parton, Like

0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>could there be a better celebrity? Like she is the one?

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>To me? She is she is the one, She is

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the dividual herself. She is mother. She's a mother of time,

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:47.400
<v Speaker 1>mother of music, She's everything. She is she contains multitudes,

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>so many and I were not saying that, yes, yes, um, Rose,

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 1>do you do you have Like do you know what

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.760
<v Speaker 1>your first memory of Dolly Parton was? Um? I don't

0:25:58.760 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>know about first memory is, but I can definitely say

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that Dolly was not a huge afformative musical icon for me.

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>I was always aware of her, like in the background

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of my cultural experience, but it really wasn't until probably

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>my mid to late twenties that I really started actively

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>searching out Dolly to listen to her music. And Um,

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really do like any sort of deep investigation

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>into you know, the woman, the myth, the legend, until

0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I had to interview her a couple of years ago.

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>So I I came very late to the Dolly game.

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, you know, I think for this episode,

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm probably the virgin, even though like at this point

0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>now I do have a much deeper understanding of Dolly

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Parton and her work and her impact. But you know not,

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I think sort of the foundational knowledge that you have,

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>right I Okay, So just to like level set with you,

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I also honestly discovered Dolly. I feel in my adulthood,

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 1>like my mom's side of the family. As I've said before,

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it's like all cattle ranchers, like true cowboys in like

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>the West, and so obviously Dolly is like an omnipotent

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:29.959
<v Speaker 1>presence in cowbey culture, definitely in the South, like because

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>you're in the West. Maybe I don't know, maybe like

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it didn't like touch my family as much as like

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 1>other like country like singer songwriters did, but like, but

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 1>she is this like kind of god figure that was

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>still in the background of my childhood and I think

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>only until adulthood when you go back and you look

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>at her catalog and you look at like her cultural

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>moon meaning and like what she's accomplished for her with

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>her life. That was when I was just like, oh,

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:01.199
<v Speaker 1>like I want a Dolly tattoo, like I Dolly, Like

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to embody Dolly, like she's a hero, Like

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I just think she's incredible. I love her so much

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:10.520
<v Speaker 1>as you do too, obviously. Um. One of the first

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 1>things I feel like I latched onto was just like

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>how she was a like pre eminent, like I kind

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of like bimbo culture. Like before it was cool, like yeah,

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Yeah, I don't think I

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>understood until I really started going down the Dolly rabbit

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 1>hole that her bimbo nous was a joke that she

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 1>was in on. I think I always assumed it was

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>something that had been placed on her and that she

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>only sort of begrudgingly engaged with. And then like, once

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I started even paying like the remotest bit of attention,

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I realized, like it wasn't even that she was in

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 1>on the joke. She was the one making the joke,

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, in in both her music, like the whole

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Backwoods Barbie persona, and also like a lot of her

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like iconic late night interviews, like she's always the one

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>who's talking about how huge her tits are. And like

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>making these like you know, bimbo jokes and like she

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure part of that is like she wants

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to make the joke first before someone else can make it.

0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>But like that means that she's always had all the power,

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Like she she controls her own narrative and she monetizes it.

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And I felt like it just it clues

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you into like how shrewd and like smart and strategic

0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>she is as a person with all the while making

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>it seems so effortless like Dolly's like it costs a

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>lot of money to look this cheap. Is like like

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone everyone says that now you know what I mean.

0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>It's like this kind of um these words to live

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>by where in you like don't take yourself too seriously

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think, like live in your power in that moment,

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.080
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just so incredible and like she's like so

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.719
<v Speaker 1>whipped smart, Like her jokes are so fucking fast and

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>so quick talking to her as I have gotten a

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>couple of times, like she is absolutely like in control

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>on it at all times, like so funny, so like sharp. Yeah,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and like in those late night interviews you're talking about,

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like she would be on the receiving end of a

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>boob joke and then she would knock a joke back

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that was like five times funnier, like every time she

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 1>was funnier than the late night host And like that

0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>to me is like part of like her magnanimous and

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>why she's like transcendent time and space for decades, right, Like,

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>um so wait, how much do you know about like

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the Dolly like history, like you know, like I'm sure

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>by going to Dollywood you kind of get a little

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>bit of a history. Yes, I I know a little bit.

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I know sort I know, like the you know, Tennessee

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Mountain Home version of Dolly's Story, which incidentally, that is

0:30:55.720 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>my favorite Dolly partner song. I love in Materna Theme Mountain.

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Um so good. Can't wait to get fined for that,

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>but I do. Yeah, Like as we as, I talked

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>about um on our theme park episode with Matt Rogers,

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.320
<v Speaker 1>which if you haven't listened to it, definitely go listen

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 1>to the episode. It's very fun. Um I at Dollywood

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>there it is a theme park that like part of

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>part like uh, you know at Disney MGM is like

0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>a theme park about movies, and like Animal Kingdom is

0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:34.960
<v Speaker 1>a theme park about animals, and Dollywood is a theme

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 1>park about Dolly Parton, and part of it is about

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:43.200
<v Speaker 1>creating this like magical, like folk tale mythology of Dolly's life.

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And there is a recreation of the Tennessee Mountain home

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>in the theme park that you can go and look at,

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>so you and you know, I'm sure it's like somewhat

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>true to life, and I'm sure there's some of it

0:31:56.240 --> 0:32:00.120
<v Speaker 1>that's like theme park. Iised, but yeah, so I have

0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>like a basic understanding of the legend of Dolly Parton

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and like how poor she was like growing up and

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, her true rags to riches story. I okay, yes,

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>I need to go to Dollywood, by the way, Like

0:32:14.840 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to go so bad now I really want

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>to go back. So let's go because it it truly

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>is like a gay mecca. Maybe someone can bring us,

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe we can get like Dolly tourism borders. Yeah. And

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the town it's in, Pigeon Forge so beautiful. I was

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>there in October and it was just like the leaves

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>were changing. It was gorgeous and like it is very

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>cool to see this town that Dolly, you know, by

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 1>um buying this theme park and turning it into this

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>like destination, um, this travel destination. She totally created this um,

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like self sustaining economy in this very poor

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>town that she grew up in and like created so

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:00.760
<v Speaker 1>many jobs for people. Um. And it's just like she is.

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>She's a fucking superhero. She is like over and over again,

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>time and time again, she's proven that she is so

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking consistent and what she believes in and what she

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>stands for and what she wants to accomplish with her life.

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think that, you know, the Tennessee Mountain Home mythology, yes,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is a mythology, but like her story really is like magical.

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know anybody who is even remotely interested

0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>in the life of Dolly Parton. Please go listen to

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.959
<v Speaker 1>Jada boom Rad's Dolly Parton's America, which is a podcast

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>series that, to me, is one of the best, if

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>not the best, portrait of a celebrity I'd ever seen

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in any medium. It's like listened to in any medium.

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It's so fucking good. It is very good. I didn't

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.160
<v Speaker 1>listen to it. I didn't listen to the whole thing,

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>but I listened to most of it because I think

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 1>it was coming out around the time that I went

0:33:55.400 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to interviewed her. So I was very intrigued. Right, it's okay,

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 1>it's so good. But like, yeah, she you know, she

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>grew up in this little bunk house and she like

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.479
<v Speaker 1>shared a bed with like nine people or whatever, and like,

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, was like barely feeding herself through the first

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>years of like her music career. And then uh found

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 1>a kind of like pairing with what is his name,

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Porter Wagner. It's I love that we don't even know,

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't even remember remember his fucking name. Now

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I need to Porter Wagner. Okay, So she finds she

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 1>finds this kind of like um creative partnership with Porter

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Wagner that at the time, at the beginning, was not

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a creative partnership. Right. It was like Porter was this

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 1>country star, and at the time, country stars had you know,

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>singing gals that came on and sing a song, but

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>they were like an accessory on the stage, right, like

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 1>you have this little countrywoman. There was this woman named

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Norma Jean who had sang with him for a while.

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>She quit, I think because of an affair or something.

0:34:52.480 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>Enter Dolly. He scouts her and he's like, you're gonna

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.880
<v Speaker 1>be my singing girl now. And then she, you know,

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 1>over the course of years, starts to outshine him and

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>becomes kind of the true star of their like duet

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>act that becomes like renowned and had a show. It

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>was a TV show. They had a show. They had right,

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.319
<v Speaker 1>were right, they had exactly exactly sorry, so they were

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>on TV all the time, and then became like the

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>patron saints of the country music world in the very

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>beginning when they like started the Country Music Awards and

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.760
<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. So like Dolly has been a part

0:35:25.840 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of like institutional country music since the beginning in a

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>way that like most stars and music stars can't claim

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.120
<v Speaker 1>right like she really and yet she's so humble about it.

0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And the way that she I think this is like

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 1>very evident with the thing we were talking about with

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like the boob jokes or like um or just like

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the way. So what I'm trying to say is the

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 1>way she um overcomes adversity is with so much grace,

0:35:55.160 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Like she will never prioritize, like you know, she will

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 1>never like want to seem like mean or cruel to anyone,

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Like she knows her own worth and I think that's evident.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 1>But like with the Porter Wagner thing, like she was

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 1>just like, look, Porter, like you made me who I

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 1>am and I, you know, maybe have you to think

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of my success, but like I'm a

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 1>star and this is my goodbye. And she famously wrote

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like I will always love you about saying goodbye to

0:36:22.920 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Porter Wagner and wait for him and he cried, right story, yes,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>famously office. And I think it's I think if you

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.520
<v Speaker 1>think about who Dolly is, I think it's absolutely true

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.280
<v Speaker 1>because she has written, you know, three thousand songs or whatever.

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>So it's giving Glee a little bit that she wanted

0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.439
<v Speaker 1>to his office and saying in this song that made

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>him like decide to let her go. But that's the

0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 1>thing that I love about Dolly is she is kind

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>of Glee, Like she is like magic like this like

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>magical thinking where in like you can break out into

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>song and express your feelings that way. And then at

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the Antiquechrist And says, okay, sure, like you gotta go

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>um your own kid. You're on your own kid. Yeah,

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and she still gave him. I think she gave him

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the song, like she gave him the right or like

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 1>she gave him a million dollars. There was a settlement.

0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>He sued her, she gave him a million dollars. And

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.239
<v Speaker 1>then when Whitney re recorded the song, she like made

0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>that back three times in like one year or something

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like that, just on the rights alone. So anyways, we

0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>should talk a little bit about like Dolly Parton the

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>movie star, because she is a phenomenal movie star. Rose

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>You've seen, You've seen Best Little her House in Texas,

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and I love I love Best Little Horhouse in Texas.

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Um love hard Canny Christmas. Oh my god, that song

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>is fucking It's a deep cut. It's actually like a

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>deep deep cut from Dolly, and it's it's not even

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 1>really a Christmas song. I love five. I actually only

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 1>watch the first time New Year's Eve going into the

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.960
<v Speaker 1>New Year's that I spent alone at home, you know,

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 1>when we were in like the deepest darkest pits of

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>of like COVID fear in l a um. So thanks

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Dolly for getting me through that. And also after a

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>full year of like understanding crystal clearly that every job

0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>sucks and that we as a society should move on

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>from nine to five jobs, which was the America that

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Dolly imagine for all all of us, Yes, and nine

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>to five. I mean, you know, like the thing about

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.560
<v Speaker 1>anything having to do with Dolly and what I love

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>about her is there's always some story that's like been

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 1>extracted from that that like gets paired with it. So

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>like when you think about nine to five, you think

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>about like Dolly with her nails, like nas like in

0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the nails, and like there's always something like that because

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>she's had this long career in which she's been so

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.279
<v Speaker 1>deeply intertwined with her own work, and like Dolly is

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a woman who tells her own story. Uh so there's

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you can always like remember some like cute or funny

0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 1>or moving little anecdote about anything she's done. And I

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>think that's beautiful. I feel like Dolly has always been

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>ahead of her time, and it's like rarely credited to that,

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like, like you said, like

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>our first impression of Dolly's like huge tits big wig,

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.200
<v Speaker 1>And if we don't know anything else about her, we

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know anything else about her. But if you do,

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you know that like she was writing these kind of

0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 1>um stories about like women with pregnancy who ruin their lives,

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like she was writing songs about suicide and like with

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>nine to five, like this was this was like a

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of feminist like feminist anti capitalists. Yes, like that was. Yes,

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 1>that was so like on exactly the cusp of like feminism.

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>And she was also like third wave feminism before third

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>wave feminism, where she was just like, yeah, I have

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>tits and also I can like exercise like any any

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>right I want as like a woman. God, she's just

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.440
<v Speaker 1>like always been like that, Like I fucking love it is.

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's hyper femininity as power, um as strength.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you do you remember the plot of Best Little

0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Horhouse of Texas? No, okay, let me tell you. The

0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>plot of this movie is Dolly Parton has the best

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>little horhouse in Texas. She has the best horrors. Everyone

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 1>in town comes to this horhouse because she provides the

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 1>best service, the best experience, and there are no pimps here.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Like the men don't control the money. She controls the money,

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's so beautiful. The plot is basically

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>like she's sleeping with the sheriff, which is why the

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>whole house is protected in Texas, and all of a sudden,

0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:23.400
<v Speaker 1>this kind of like radical gay purist starts coming for

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the Horehouse and it's like this is like, you know,

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>desecrating our town and it can't be here, and the

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>cops fight this radical purist to protect these sex workers.

0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that whild Like it's like it's like cops like

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>finding corruption in a way that protects sex workers. Like

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>it's actually so whackadoodle to watch an experience because you're like,

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>this is a fantasy, um. But it also made me

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 1>wonder like what a modern day Best Little hore House

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.799
<v Speaker 1>in Texas adaptation would look? Like I don't know that

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>it could exist today. No, no, I I think I

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>think one maybe something in the eighties, Like I would

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>love to watch the Best Little Horhouse, but it's like

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.520
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, you know what I mean, like set

0:42:09.560 --> 0:42:12.200
<v Speaker 1>in the eighties, set in the eighties. Yeah, instead of

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>like the like the I don't know when it takes

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:25.640
<v Speaker 1>ye old ye yeah, ye old have you? I mean,

0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Best Little Horhouse in Texas is basically West World. Wait, yeah,

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>we should we need it. We actually need a West World.

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.719
<v Speaker 1>We need a dystopian Best Little Horhouse in Texas. We

0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>need the last of Us. I mean that's just West World.

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:43.879
<v Speaker 1>That's just west World. Yeah it is. Oh wait, yeah,

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen west World, so like I actually wasn't

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:50.040
<v Speaker 1>connecting the dots there ye old ye old yew times.

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which, have you seen um stee Magnolias. So

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 1>this has become a point of contention between my mother

0:42:56.880 --> 0:43:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and I. I have never seen still magnoli Is in totality. Um,

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I have seen parts of it. I'm surprised this didn't

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:10.080
<v Speaker 1>come up during our Julia Roberts episode. But I've never

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>watched the whole film. I am shook. I'm shook arena.

0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I am legend of Zelda, shook Arena of time. I

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>am literally like I have no I literally like it

0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>does feel like such another like canonically Rose movie and

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.399
<v Speaker 1>I but Robert, I don't like like a I don't

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 1>like a sad movie like that. You know it is

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>too sad. Yeah, Julia Roberts having a seizure and she does.

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I think she dies at the end spoiler alert. I

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.879
<v Speaker 1>actually don't even remember. But the ensemble like a cost

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:52.320
<v Speaker 1>cast Dolly, Julia Um, God, Sally Field, Shirley McClain god. Um.

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean I I think that like what

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Dolly injects into I think the thing about Reboots actually

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.799
<v Speaker 1>is like what Dolly injects into all three of those

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 1>movies we talked about, like cannot be replicated. Like there's

0:44:06.280 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>no woman, man, anyone that can bring what Dolly brings

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>to any sort of project, because she is a once

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 1>in a lifetime person um not just as not just

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>as this kind of like charismatic, like larger than life,

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like most memorable person in the room way, but also

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>like she's a genius like I can't remember who said this,

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>but like but it's like if she was writing classical music, right,

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.840
<v Speaker 1>if she had written three thousand classical songs, like we

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 1>would be calling her Mozart, like she is mention level genius.

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Well and not. And not only is she and an

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 1>INCREDI an incredible, brilliant, show stopping, never never, never done

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 1>before artist, she's incredible at branding and marketing. Like yes,

0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:56.800
<v Speaker 1>she she literally has a theme park, like she has

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>created the mythology of herself so incredibly that it has

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 1>endured through multiple generations. And she is known from you know,

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 1>my grandparents too, kids who just saw her on Miley's

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Rock and New Year's Eve or whatever the funk it

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 1>was called. Like It's not even that she's necessarily had

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.840
<v Speaker 1>all these different eras in her career. She just like

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:27.840
<v Speaker 1>has always been there. So even when I, like I said,

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>like as a child, as a teenager, like whatever, was

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>not really like searching her out, I still had a

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 1>basic awareness of who she was, Like I still always

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 1>knew that I Will Always Love You was a Dolly

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Parton song like that. It's just sort of part of

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:49.319
<v Speaker 1>our like shared cultural unconsciousness, like who Dolly Parton is

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 1>because she's omnipotent. I also think that she was able

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to represent God. I hate this sounds so stupid out

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:02.280
<v Speaker 1>of context, but like the Deep South is an underrepresented community,

0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 1>like they we don't have stories from the Deep South

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the way we do of other parts of this country.

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like what she brought to the culture

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:16.320
<v Speaker 1>was something that was based in this like extremely hidden

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the world and was able to take that

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and take and make her story the most beloved story

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Right Like when we right before we

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>were recorded, we were talking about like, while we were

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about and Roles is like, are you going to

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Q score? I was like, fun, So

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 1>like if you haven't, I've always talked about the fucking

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Q score, which is this thing that's mentioned in the

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton's America podcast, which is about this weird valuation

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of celebrities and like how like they are on the world,

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>or rather how much negative sentiment is around them, and

0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>who has the least amount of negative sentiment around them,

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and like the two at the top are always like

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton and Adele Um And and I think that that.

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I think, as you said, her ability to brand herself

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 1>both strategically and a politically right because she straddles these

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:11.360
<v Speaker 1>two halves of the culture. I think it's why she's

0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like always going to be relevant like forever and ever.

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Um She's able to at least like becoming like Miley's godmother.

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 1>She was able to take her like you know, base

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of like fifty something people that grew up with her

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>in the country to go to millennials and people even

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 1>younger and all of us understand like her cultural impact

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and meaning and so now it's like the whitest s

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>base possible. Oh God, I love her and Miley. I

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>love that song rainbow Land, I have no shame. I

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 1>love the Malibu album. I think it's so good you

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 1>famously don't like Younger Younger Now is not Miley's best effort,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:54.799
<v Speaker 1>but there are some good moments on it, and that

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>is one of the better ones that some will make

0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>me cry, like we really we have to get you

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>to Dollywood, because not only is Dollywood incredible, but when

0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I was there, I stayed at the Dollywood Hotel. And Um,

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:13.200
<v Speaker 1>in at the Dollywood Hotel, so like in in the

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>lobby or something, there is a song there that's locked

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 1>up in a box that Dolly wrote that will be

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:23.959
<v Speaker 1>released on her hundredth birthday, whether she's alive or dead.

0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>And I stood and looked at the little box through

0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the window. Oh my god, I have goose bumps. I

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.880
<v Speaker 1>know it's so it's so fucking cool. And there's just

0:48:35.920 --> 0:48:39.879
<v Speaker 1>like the hotel, there's like butterflies everywhere. There's a Dolly Spa,

0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:43.720
<v Speaker 1>there's a like everything is Dolly themed. There's a gift

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>shop where you can buy Dolly stuff. I think I

0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>have like a fridge magnet that has Dolly on it.

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Um I have. I Also when I was there, I

0:48:52.440 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was gifted um by not Dolly herself, by her team

0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 1>or maybe she did hand it to me. Um. I

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>have my I have a signed copy of Jolene. I'm

0:49:04.239 --> 0:49:06.920
<v Speaker 1>so jealous, Oh my god. And I got to interview her,

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 1>not once, but twice. Yes, Wait, tell me what was

0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>your experience, Like what did you I mean to the

0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:16.120
<v Speaker 1>effect that you can even describe Dolly Parton like it was?

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's incredible. It was really nice that so

0:49:19.560 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>so for context, I interviewed her. Um. She had a

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a limited Netflix series UM called Dolly Parton's called Dolly

0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Parton's heart Strings, which will discuss all these little shows

0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.240
<v Speaker 1>that are each each episode is based on a different

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton song. Like it's not very good, but because

0:49:39.360 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 1>of it, I got to meet Dolly and it was

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a it was a pretty long press trip. Um. It

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 1>was a couple of days, and the first thing we

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>did was interview Dolly, which was kind of nice because

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:53.600
<v Speaker 1>it was the thing that I was the most stressed

0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:57.240
<v Speaker 1>out about, see a lot of the way and um,

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I asked her. I don't even remember what to ask her,

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe like on I'll post the interview on our on

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the like a virgin Instagram. But she was like very warm,

0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>very sweet, like put me right at ease. She you know,

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like of course, I asked questions that were like

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.799
<v Speaker 1>a little gay, a little like pushing the envelope a bit,

0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 1>and she just like was right there with me. Shouldn't

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 1>answer her everything. Um. And then the second time I

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>interviewed her was they were having a premiere for the

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>show at the theater at Dollywood, UM, and there was

0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a red carpet, and so we got to interview her

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>on the red carpet and what um? I went to

0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 1>interview her. And so at Dollywood there's a museum. There's

0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a Dolly museum that has a hologram of Dolly, and

0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>she like comes in like a fairy and it's like hey, y'all.

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>But they also have all of her looks at the museum,

0:50:57.239 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 1>like all of her iconic looks, like looks she's worn

0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:03.120
<v Speaker 1>in movies. They had costumes from best Little her house

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 1>in Texas, UM, all of her concert looks like Hi.

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I would physically cry. So when I was interviewing her

0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>on the carpet, I was like, Dolly, we got to

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>go to the museum today. And she was like, oh,

0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you would have loved all those clothes. Like she classed

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 1>me right away. She knew, I mean, she knows she

0:51:23.600 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 1>surrounded my bags and day one. Um. Um, but she was.

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:30.560
<v Speaker 1>She was amazing. She was very generous with her time

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:33.800
<v Speaker 1>to all the journalists that were there. She's super sweet.

0:51:33.840 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>She's like, looks exactly how you expect her to look.

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 1>She's very tiny, her tits are huge, her hair is huge,

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 1>she has like crazy long nails. She is covered up

0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.640
<v Speaker 1>from top to bottom everything. She wears this fucking rhind

0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:50.680
<v Speaker 1>stone because she famously has has like people say she

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 1>has like a sleeve of tattoos or whatever, but I

0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:55.080
<v Speaker 1>know that she is like she doesn't like her tattoos

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and she covers them up. She probably just doesn't like

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:00.200
<v Speaker 1>her arms. Oh yeah, are you going full to ally?

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you like long sleeve only from here? No? No, no,

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.479
<v Speaker 1>but um, I also don't like my tattoos. Um, but yeah,

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like that is like a life goal

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>mischief managed. I have met Dolly not once, but twice,

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 1>and I got to like touch her, you know. She Yeah,

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I have touched Dolly Parton. That's crazy to think about,

0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:30.560
<v Speaker 1>like she Oh god, I okay, wait, since you brought

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>it up, since you brought up heart strings, we you're

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 1>now reminding me that Dolly Parton and who gave us

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>heart Strings also gave the culture the whole halways smells

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 1>like come, which was uttered via one Tricksie Mattel. I

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:50.840
<v Speaker 1>was in the room for that moment. Were you in

0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the room for that moment? I don't remember. Back in

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the Netflix days, if you haven't seen Tricksie and Katya,

0:52:56.280 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 1>watch this episode of Heartstrings. It's like the funniest fucking

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that episod is no longer on the official Netflix. You're

0:53:03.080 --> 0:53:05.480
<v Speaker 1>two right, you have to take it down because of

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like copyright stuff. Yeah, you have to. You have to

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:10.319
<v Speaker 1>watch the you have to watch the bootleg version. But

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 1>it is definitely the most iconic. Um. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>watch episode for sure. Oh yeah, Trixie sells pillows. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's say the whole hallway smells like like um, which

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Um Wait, did you see um I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>to bring Did you see Dolly parton Christmas? Her Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>in the Square? The Square? Yes? I did watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Um you know what is it about? It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's about Christine Baranski's is like a mean, high

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<v Speaker 1>powered businesswoman who who um like, owns most of the

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<v Speaker 1>town she grew up in and she goes back over

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas and Dolly Parton's her fairy godmother. I want to say, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Christine Baranski like learns life lessons and

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<v Speaker 1>learns to love again and saves the town. And it

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<v Speaker 1>is a musical. The music is fine. Christine, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing. It's Christine is great. Dolly is great. She's

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<v Speaker 1>like at one point she's very tiny. She's like in

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<v Speaker 1>the cup holder and Christine Brandci's call her. That's sounds amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually rose that That wasn't movie magic. That's actually

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<v Speaker 1>how big Dolly Parton is in real life. Like that

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<v Speaker 1>was that is actually when I interviewed her, I held

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<v Speaker 1>her in my hand. Yeah, in your palm. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>hello Dolly, Dolly. Yeah, like Julie Roberts Tinkerbell. Um, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I I honestly now want to watch that. Maybe next Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe I'll get stone and watch it. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a solo journey for you. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I'll be watching it again. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that ever needs to be revisited. Slide into

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<v Speaker 1>our d m s and let us know what's your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Dolly Parton song. What's your favorite Dolly Parton movie? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>do you identify as um Backwoods Barbie or do you

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<v Speaker 1>identify as the Backwoods barb? Um Backwoods barb Next week

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