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Speaker 1: up listeners? Here we are again, back with another episode

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Speaker 1: of the mets up podcast, Episode number forty three. Just

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Speaker 1: finished a series up with the Los Angeles Dodgers four

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Speaker 1: game series and as the Mets have been doing recently,

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Speaker 1: didn't play very well, didn't win many games. We did

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Speaker 1: win one, but that's still not very many. We expect

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Speaker 1: higher hopes for. So me and James of course, gonna

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Speaker 1: go through everything, me draft neck, Mark, Mark Luino, James Jeter,

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Speaker 1: know why that was so weird. That was uncomfortably awkward,

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Speaker 1: but hey, it's because the Mets are playing uncomfortably awkward baseball.

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Speaker 1: It's just not very good, not very good. Gonna talk

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Speaker 1: Is the season over? Do the Mets have a chance?

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Speaker 1: What's the thoughts for next year? We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: Braves on the Mets through six or seven innings, eight strikeouts,

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Speaker 1: probably my longest intro there, James, time to bring in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a pretty long intro, but again, shout

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just kind of suck, like there's just no

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Speaker 1: We love him. Jeff's our guy. We know he's a

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Speaker 1: Of course, it's kind of been the thing with McNeil

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Speaker 2: I truthfully have been kind of impressed by mezge of

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of positives. We got shut down

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Speaker 2: He has only given up more than three earned runs

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Speaker 1: And even like the inning that we did hit him

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Speaker 1: in the eighth, it was like so cheap. It was

433
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Speaker 1: like dinks and doinks, and we didn't deserve the hits

434
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Speaker 1: and runs that we were getting by any means.

435
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Speaker 2: Now it was three bullshit hits, two that didn't leave

436
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Speaker 2: the infield, and a walk against Walker Buehler completely added

437
00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,160
Speaker 2: gas mostly at the gas and Vesia who's fine. He's like, okay, reliever,

438
00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,880
Speaker 2: but there's nothing, nothing, no reason to be scared of him,

439
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,600
Speaker 2: and we only came away with one on. Jady Davis

440
00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,400
Speaker 2: got thrown out the plate.

441
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Speaker 1: Bueller got bailed out though. That inning with the Jeff

442
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Speaker 1: McNeil call, that was insane. That was nuts because that ball.

443
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Speaker 1: Jeffan kil had a great at bat, struggling, big struggle

444
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Speaker 1: bus at this time. This is before he got the

445
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Speaker 1: hits and started to break out of the slump a

446
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,560
Speaker 1: little bit. The ball is an inch and a half

447
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Speaker 1: two inches inside on the plate. McNeil's already run to

448
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Speaker 1: first because he's like, ball four, take your base, base

449
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Speaker 1: is loaded. Psych just kidding. Strike three, umpire wrings him up,

450
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Speaker 1: rookie umpire thingk It was like Nestor Corteja or Korhau

451
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Speaker 1: or something like that.

452
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Speaker 2: Are you confusing him with the Yankees swing man.

453
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Speaker 1: No, not Nestor Cortez. It was like nestor something and

454
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Speaker 1: Naha whatever. I don't know how to pronounce his name,

455
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Speaker 1: but anyway, he stunked. The entire game stunk.

456
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Speaker 2: This call.

457
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Speaker 1: McNeil batflipped striking out, which is the first time I've

458
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Speaker 1: ever seen that he was so mad, he was so

459
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Speaker 1: hot that he got into the dugout started screaming Walker Bueller.

460
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Speaker 1: On the next batter complained about a strike call, and

461
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Speaker 1: McNeil didn't care about the umpire's call. He screamed at

462
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Speaker 1: Walker Buer like fuck you. You don't get anything, like

463
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Speaker 1: fuck you Walker. It was amazing, Like I love his energy.

464
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Speaker 1: His energy is crazy.

465
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Speaker 2: He's up board the line psychopath that would say he's

466
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Speaker 2: a crazy person. I do love that. A guy you

467
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Speaker 2: want on your team, the other guy you want to

468
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,199
Speaker 2: play against. And then came to the ninth inning and

469
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Speaker 2: we were just not ready to hit like a super

470
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Speaker 2: average Kenley Janson.

471
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Speaker 1: Kenley Jansen is just like so not that good at it.

472
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Speaker 2: He's so not that good. And to lose both of

473
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Speaker 2: these games close was just like ughugh right down. There

474
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,360
Speaker 2: so many chances. It was getting not that many chances

475
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 2: because again Walking Bile retired twelve Mets in a row.

476
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Speaker 2: All of the chances came in Game three. It was

477
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Speaker 2: an absolute barrage of not coming through in clutch situations.

478
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Speaker 2: The Mets just a little stab for this game. The

479
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 2: Mets had base run. There's an eight of the nine

480
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Speaker 2: innings eight of the nine against Max Scherzer. Specifically, we

481
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Speaker 2: had a man on base every single inning.

482
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Speaker 1: Why you gotta make me leave relive this?

483
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,239
Speaker 2: Brandon Will let off the game with a double and

484
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Speaker 2: it was not brought around to score. And then immediately

485
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Speaker 2: Richill takes him out and trade Turner. Bang home run,

486
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,360
Speaker 2: Albert Bouholls, bang home run? What the fuck? I mean?

487
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Speaker 1: We should have known that once Nimmo gotten a scoring position,

488
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Speaker 1: there was no chance he was coming home.

489
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not none. Like he he's so incredible. Like I

490
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 2: love Brandon Neimo so much. He guys ops over eight

491
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: hundred in this game. There's not enough great things we

492
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Speaker 2: could say about him as a table sether. But I

493
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Speaker 2: do want to take some time to talk about how

494
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers have constructed their team and more specifically, how

495
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Speaker 2: they were able to get completely free production out of

496
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Speaker 2: one of the best right handed hitters of all time

497
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,119
Speaker 2: in alberpool Holes this season alone, not even since he

498
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Speaker 2: joined the Dodgers. This entire season, Albert pool Halls has

499
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Speaker 2: one fifty five WRC plus against lefties. That means he's

500
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Speaker 2: fifty five percent better than the average hitter against left

501
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Speaker 2: handed pitching. A nine to sixty two ops and eleven

502
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Speaker 2: home runs in one hundred and seventeen at bats. That

503
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Speaker 2: is a home run rate like home runs per at

504
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 2: bat rate up there with like Vlad and show Hey

505
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Speaker 2: and the best power hitters in baseball.

506
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Speaker 1: That's like pool Holes's home run rate. When he was

507
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 1: Albert pool Holes won every ten at bats. You talk

508
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 1: about like Barry Bond seven to two home run season,

509
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,719
Speaker 1: like he won like one every seven at bats. Like

510
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: these are crazy numbers to get from a guy who

511
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Speaker 1: was seemingly a dead duck in Los Angeles with the Angels, and.

512
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 2: The Dodgers were completely dunked on all over social media,

513
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 2: national sports broadcasts and everything for bringing on Albert Pools.

514
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: Why would you bring on a guy who could barely

515
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: play defense and not run. But the Dodgers have set

516
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: up this roster where they are capable of acquiring cheap

517
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Speaker 2: talent and cheap production if by any means necessary, just

518
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Speaker 2: because of how versatile every player in this roster is.

519
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 2: Like we've been saying repeatedly for a few months now,

520
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: that you're going to be able to sign the cheapest

521
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Speaker 2: and best replacement level players at the corner spots between

522
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Speaker 2: outfield and infield, and that's how they were able to

523
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Speaker 2: get Poohols and even a guy like Billy McKinney. And

524
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Speaker 2: that's because they have so much depth at second base, shortstop,

525
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Speaker 2: in center field. There's six guys on this team who

526
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: could play those positions, between Chris Taylor, Max Munsey, AJ Pollock,

527
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger. I feel like I'm forgetting another Corey Seeger

528
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,479
Speaker 2: Trey Turner. I think I'm forgetting another Outfel.

529
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Speaker 1: You know it's also crazy is Mookie could play second base.

530
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Speaker 1: He's played second base.

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Speaker 2: And center field. And the crazy thing is two of

532
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: those guys I mentioned are the Dodgers' natural first basements,

533
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Speaker 2: between Max Monsey and Cody Bellinger, and they're playing positions

534
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 2: like shortstop, second, and third exceedingly well. It's so crazy

535
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 2: that they've given themselves enough wiggle room on this roster

536
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: to be able to make a snap decision get a

537
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Speaker 2: guy like Aberpool Hools again for free and have him

538
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Speaker 2: be this good in the small, tiny sample they want

539
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: to use him. And it is the opposite of the

540
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Speaker 2: way the Mets have built their team because the guys

541
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Speaker 2: we have in those positions are there's too many of them,

542
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Speaker 2: and we cannot bring on the extra talent because we

543
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Speaker 2: had to get rid of a guy like Billy McKinney.

544
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: We got a decent prospect for him, but we just

545
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: don't have the what's the word I'm looking for, The fluidity.

546
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: Mets roster doesn't have any fluidity to be able to

547
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: find cheap talent like this, and that's one of the

548
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: biggest problems with this roster construction that we that both

549
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 2: went completely over our heads preseason.

550
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Speaker 1: I feel like we thought we had more fluidity than

551
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Speaker 1: we really did. I think we expected that Dom Smith

552
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: and CONFORDO, We're going to be capable outfielders, so you

553
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: didn't really have to worry about filling those positions, even

554
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: though the Dodgers have way better outfielders than they worried

555
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: about filling those positions. That was definitely an oversight by

556
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Speaker 1: the Mets is the ability for having guys to play

557
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: basically anywhere, something that we have lauded Jeff McNeil for

558
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: the ability to play multiple positions at a pretty decent level.

559
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Speaker 1: That's something that's gonna keep him on a roster. I

560
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: just wasn't think it's worth noting that we talked so

561
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: much about this in the Giants podcast episode. But how

562
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: they just go platoon. They'll platoon guys. The Dodgers saw

563
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 1: what the Angels, because that's a god forsaken organization. They're awful.

564
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: They saw what the Angels couldn't. Albert pool Holes still

565
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: had value. Like you said, nobody thought that this guy

566
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: had anything left in the tank, myself included. I thought

567
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: that Albert pool Hols was done. I was like, damn,

568
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: this sucks. This is the end of pool Holes. And

569
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, hold on, you could hit left handed pitching,

570
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: and not only do you hit it, you destroy it.

571
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Speaker 2: He's going to be on the playoff roster, yeah, from

572
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: being cut by the Angels. And the Angels are another

573
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Speaker 2: one of those teams, so they had like too much

574
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: fake depth in the corners. They couldn't afford to keep

575
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: a guy like Pooholes even on the bench, and they

576
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 2: should be cutting a guy like Pools and using new talent.

577
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: Of course, took them three months between releasing pool Holes

578
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 2: and bringing up their youngsters, so that logic doesn't make

579
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 2: sense at all. But there's just another win for a

580
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: a model organization like the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: Yep, they just push all the right buttons, they really do.

582
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: When's the last time that you can remember them making

583
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: a move and being like that didn't work out.

584
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: It's gotta be one from the last few off seasons, right,

585
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 2: they had to miss something.

586
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean Bower maybe, but yeah, it's a little dicey.

587
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Speaker 2: We're gonna just should move on.

588
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: We're just gonna move on here. Uh yeah, they're just good.

589
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Speaker 1: They're a good organization. It showed by having Albert pool

590
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: Holes hit a home run against us, who's eighty five

591
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Speaker 1: years old.

592
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Speaker 2: I was just sitting there like, damn it, fuck.

593
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: Albert pool Holes is so old that it looks like

594
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: it hurts to run around the bases.

595
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Speaker 2: It's kind of funny because Albert pool Holes still has

596
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: the exact same batting stands, which is so much more

597
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 2: weight in the middle of his body. So he used

598
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: to be like really trim and like strong and fit

599
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: and used to stand up there like used to look

600
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 2: so athletic, and now he just has like a gut

601
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: his legs like hope, woefully on athletic. He literally is

602
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: the slowest player in baseball. Every infield they're gonna play

603
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: on the outfield against him. But it doesn't matter because

604
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: one of every leven at bats against the left because

605
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: the only time he ever plays, it's going over the wall.

606
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Speaker 1: Yep, it's unbelievable. Luckily for us, Richill did settle in.

607
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: It was fine.

608
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: Gave up the home runs, but he again kept us

609
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: in this game, and especially with the opportunities were getting

610
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: against Max Schurzer would have been nice to help out

611
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: rich Hill. He helped us out for sure.

612
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: It was great throwing eighty eight mile an hour fastballs

613
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: against the Dodger and somehow not getting hit was marvelous.

614
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like, uh, when we played high school baseball,

615
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 1: like you'd play like one of the one town I'll

616
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 1: he was Linden. They stunk, they were awful at baseball.

617
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: Their guys would throw like fifty sixty miles an hour.

618
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Speaker 1: It's like, it's too slow. What do we do. We

619
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Speaker 1: don't know how to hit this. It's too slow. Everyone's

620
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: popping up. It's like what rich Hill did against the Dodgers,

621
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Speaker 1: except like three of them went for home runs.

622
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Speaker 2: I thought it was also funny that before the game

623
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot of Dodgers came over and like really embraced

624
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 2: rich Hill, Clint Kershaw especially like he gave him a

625
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: massive bear hug. They talked for like five ten minutes, Like,

626
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Speaker 2: you know, Rich Hill is just one of the best

627
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 2: clubhouse guys in baseball. SAME's Dick Mountain.

628
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna put

629
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Speaker 1: that on the back of your jersey, your a guy

630
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Speaker 1: I want to hang out with.

631
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Speaker 2: Like you're cool, said, I'd love to crush a couple

632
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: of beers a rich Hill. But he did do enough

633
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: for us to win the game, and we couldn't fucking

634
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: get it done against Max Scherzer. I said it before,

635
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: say it again. We had a base runner every single inning,

636
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: all five of the innings against Max Scherzer, every single one,

637
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: and he the Mets were swinging missing a lot like

638
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: Max Scherzer was. The stuff was working, but we just

639
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: kept getting like right to the edge and not being

640
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: able to go over it. And even with all the

641
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: base runners we had, our only run was on a

642
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: fucking solo homer. How could that be? Like, damn it,

643
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: fuck yeah, I felt very defeated. After the JD. Davis

644
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: strikeout to end the fifth.

645
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: He just looks like he had no clue what was happening.

646
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: No bases loaded, close game shuts are very much on

647
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: the ropes, very much on the ropes, and just couldn't

648
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: do it.

649
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: He just took a lot of pitches that were like really,

650
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: like that's you're not gonna what are you looking for?

651
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: He just he was not looking good this series as

652
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: well until today. Until today. The other issue here was, uh,

653
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: Miguel Castro came in and was like, I forgot how

654
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: to pitch.

655
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: I kind of like having Miguel Castro on the roster

656
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: because he keeps everybody on their toes.

657
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: He does keep you on your toes. I mean, my

658
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: dad was so mad watching Miguel Castro pitch. I'm calling

659
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: you out, Dad. I know you hear this, but I

660
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: need you to be a little embarrassed here. He said,

661
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: Miguel Castro sucks, which like he does sometimes that's a

662
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: correct statement. But then he said so he was so

663
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: mad about how Miguel Castro pitched that he questioned our boy,

664
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Jeremy Hefter, and I will not allow that. I will

665
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: not allow that.

666
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Never allowed guy, My Jeremy Heft. New Jersey is gonna

667
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: be here soon. It's been thirty days since I ordered

668
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: from China, so I hope, hopefully. I really thought we'd

669
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: have for a stretch right now. It's gonna be a

670
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: complete joke, as him in the ballpark drunk in September.

671
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: But it's just the Migaulcastro Rollercoaster's the high leverage relieve

672
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: roller coaster that the Mets are firmly planted on. Between him,

673
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 2: Familia and May. We have three absolute wildcards who can

674
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: either walk out there and like look like Mario Rivera

675
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: or just walk three straight batters and call it the night.

676
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: That's it so bad.

677
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: And even then, even with how bad it was, we

678
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: still gotta have that ending like okay, like it wasn't

679
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: too bad, wasn't. And Alamzo's like, hold on, guys, let

680
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: me make this a little bit worse. Let me hit

681
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: a home run and just make it a little closer,

682
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: so you guys still watch the end of this ball game.

683
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: Was that the whole run that he like inside outed

684
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: to right center.

685
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 1: The series is a blur. I like after every game

686
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: I tried to black out from what was happening because

687
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: it was like pain. It was three four hours of

688
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: like again, it's happening again. All I know is Pete

689
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: hit a home run and I was like, come on, man,

690
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I was ready to turn this game off.

691
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: Like base runs eight of nine INIX, we only scored

692
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: runs via the homer. Yep, that's shocking.

693
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: Which is like not Mets baseball because we haven't hit

694
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: home runs this year, But of course in this game

695
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: it was Mets baseball.

696
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: It would have been great if this was Mets baseball. Well,

697
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: if we were just hitting more home runs all season,

698
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: without getting hits and runs a scoring position, we'd be

699
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: made in the shade. We'd probably have five or six

700
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: more wins. All of these losses were so damn close.

701
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: We scored one, two, and three runs in these games Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

702
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: and every single time we had multiple chances to beat

703
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: the fucking Dodgers, we couldn't do it well.

704
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: I think that's the most frustrating part about how we're

705
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: seeing this team play, and maybe this will build into

706
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: our talk of twenty twenty two at the end of

707
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: the podcast here, and that is that we are close.

708
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: There were hanging with good teams even despite playing like shit.

709
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: We're hanging with good teams.

710
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: And I think that is because the Mets for these

711
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: last two weeks have completely lost all of their star

712
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: power over the last month, just being without Francisco and

713
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: Door in the last two weeks without Hobby, And I'll

714
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: give Hobby the star power name tag, even though maybe

715
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 2: he doesn't he doesn't play that way in a day

716
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: and day out basis, but he does have that top

717
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: end of his game where he can get you over

718
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: a hump when nothing else seems to be working. And

719
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: this kind of how the Mets teams were of the

720
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: last few seasons between twenty fifteen and this offseason where

721
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: everything was close and lo, these guys are good, but like,

722
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: where's the juice? As something that we've said a lot

723
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: of times this podcast, where's the fucking juice, Cesspadas in fifteen, Yeah,

724
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: that was the juice. That was the juice, clearly, and

725
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: you know even in the year's pat or after that,

726
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: we need someone to guess over the hump.

727
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: We were missing it. We lost the series three losses

728
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: in a row here.

729
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: But we got something to guess over the humping game

730
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: be four because Hobby bias May's trumphant return and immediately

731
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: made his impact felt with an RBA double on the

732
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: top of the first.

733
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: And I want a note, really good at bat by him.

734
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: I like to take shots.

735
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: Everyone does that.

736
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: Hobby Bias has played or played, approach and his discipline

737
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: and everything like that, but it's a really good at bat.

738
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Worked it two oh and was like, I have a

739
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: pitch to hit, let me swing. He founded it back,

740
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: he missed her. Whatever it was, it was right down

741
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: the middle, but it seemed like there was a thought

742
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: process there. And then David Price through like a hanging

743
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: slide or a change up, whatever it was, and Hobby

744
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: knocked it for a double over aj Pollock's head. It

745
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: was so nice to see. It looked like he had

746
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: an idea at the plate, something that not a lot

747
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: of Mets hitters have been doing.

748
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you kind of take the way that

749
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: every Mets hitter has regressed this year, but you apply

750
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: it to the way Hovey Baias approaches his game, he

751
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: could be one of the best players in baseball.

752
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: Of it. It might be what he needs.

753
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: There's no trance of the property there, like there's no

754
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: way that actually will happen, or maybe like a five

755
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: percent chance of it. But it's kind of just ironic

756
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: that if he would just take like thirty percent more

757
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: pitches and actually be guessing he'd probably be a much

758
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: better baseball.

759
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: Player, might even be elite, honestly, might even be elite.

760
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: You know what was elite? That slide in his second double.

761
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: That was elite the slide.

762
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: And that's what he'll do for you. He'll give you

763
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: a nice tag, a good slide.

764
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Decision to stretch that into a double.

765
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, terrible, not not the right idea, but.

766
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: That rows on the money. He's out by four steps,

767
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: oh by a ton.

768
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: But luckily it worked out and we hit David Price,

769
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: as we should because he's thirty six, thirty seven.

770
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: It's the corpse of David Price. As I said last episode,

771
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 2: he did settle in.

772
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, because you're still facing the Mets. Let's calm

773
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: down here. While we scored three runs in the first

774
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: inning and we haven't seen that in probably a couple months.

775
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: We are still the Mets. So scoring in multiple innings,

776
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: that's that's not a lot. It doesn't happen often.

777
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: No, And it felt like the whole it felt like

778
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: the plane was crashing into the mountain the sixth inning

779
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: and it was all it was all gonna be over

780
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: because as the Mets have done all season long, we

781
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: had second and third and nobody out, and we found

782
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: a way not to score a run.

783
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: Not interested, We didn't want to do it now.

784
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: And I think there was a very questionable decision by

785
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Louis Rojas to not pinch hit for Marcus Stroman with

786
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: the bases low than two men out, one that I

787
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: was fuming mad about at the time. I thought he

788
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: should have hit for Stroman one hundred percent. But he

789
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: did say after the game that Lugo and lou We're

790
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: both unavailable, so he basically needed one more inning from

791
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: Marcus Strowman to just bridge the gap to getting too

792
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: familiar Medaz And it did work out because JD. Davis

793
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: bailed him out the next itning great game, really saved

794
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: the series. But I don't know how how great I

795
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: feel with that answer.

796
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: I think maybe more of the issue that we should

797
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: have had with that ending is that Polar came to

798
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: the plate and that we didn't pinch hit Confordo or

799
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: dom Smith.

800
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that I agree with too, which is still

801
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: another issue I have with Rojas maging that inning.

802
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably more of the issue because

803
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: against at least he gave us an answer for why

804
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: Stroma was in and you can you can see the process.

805
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: That's what we need. We need to see the process.

806
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: But there's no place in God Green's God's green Earth

807
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: that Kevin Pilhar should be getting in at bat against

808
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: a right handed picture over Michael confordo Dom Smith. I

809
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: don't care how bad those guys are struggling, and he.

810
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Actually hit it hard.

811
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't care.

812
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I mean it was nine five miles there. Well, but

813
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: like we should look at what the Giants did. I

814
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: don't care what any of it is. When that starting

815
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: pitcher that we will tune this lineup four comes out

816
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: of game, you put the real players back in the lineup. Correct.

817
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: That's the whole point is that Kevin pilar if he's

818
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: in there, because against the lefty, as soon as the

819
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: left he's out of the game.

820
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: He's out of the game. Get the fuck out, yank him,

821
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: buy his shirt, whatever it takes, take his bat and

822
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: break it.

823
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: Just don't allow him to use any backs. Everyone hide

824
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: their stuff. Phil As Helmmel with rozen just poor Kevin

825
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: Polarish some big hits for us, and I just I'm

826
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: picking up Vin Pulayer a lot.

827
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: But just because like you said, there's no way that

828
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: Kevin Polar could get a hit off Bruce Star.

829
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: Zero chance. Now to keep it a little positive, Stroman

830
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: still very good, still awesome, He's He's fantastic. He is

831
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: the only reason we are even slightly maybe in it

832
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: still with.

833
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: A call by your boy that he was the most

834
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: important player in this team preseason, because he has proven

835
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: that tenfold. And I truly think he's just hit a

836
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: new gear, like he had more sliders than sinkers this game.

837
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: I've harped on the repertoire over and over and over

838
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: and over again, second time in a row that's happened.

839
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: Only time he's done it back to back starts this

840
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: year not have his sinker be his most thro own pitch.

841
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: And this is the mold of a guy who could

842
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: actually be worth twenty million dollars a year for four

843
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: or five years, I'll say that, honestly, possibly even like

844
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: twenty two or twenty three, depending on how the market

845
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: shapes up. Looking through the last five ten years of baseball,

846
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: guys who have thrown tons of sinkers and then learn

847
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: to throw less have just ascended to unbelievable heights. And

848
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: all these guys throw much harder than Marcus Stroman. So

849
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: it's hard to draw on exact parallel, and I'm thinking

850
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: guys like Brandon Woodruff, Joe Musgrove, Frankie Mantes, Sandi Alcintara.

851
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: Well, even a guy like Corbyn Burns. It's not a slider,

852
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: but it's cutter for him color. Yeah, and for Stroman,

853
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: he does throw the color. He has a slider and

854
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: he has a split change. There's enough pitches.

855
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 2: There that he can command because he still doesn't walk anybody,

856
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: even though he's throwing at this point, like almost sixty

857
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: percent off speed pitches. It's marvelous. There is a way

858
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 2: that he can become better than he is right now.

859
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 2: It's even at his age, like because he's never relied

860
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: in velocity anyway, and he's still and I would call

861
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: some peak physical form. So I don't think that his

862
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: loss he's gonna fall off lower than it is anytime soon.

863
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: And if you look at the way these guys have

864
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: manicured their repertoire, Stroman could do something similar. I would

865
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: not really feel great right now with Marcus Stroman not

866
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: in the Mets next year, which is a one eighty

867
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: from where I was six months ago.

868
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you. I think that that's if

869
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: there's a guy this team needs to re sign, it's

870
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Marcus Stroman. He's gotta be a part of this team

871
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: for the future.

872
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's another guy who needs a contract this offseason.

873
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: Brandon fucking Nemo. Extend Nemo, Extend Demo, Give this guy

874
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: whatever he wants within reason is would there be a.

875
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Reason to extend themo right now? Like? I can't imagine

876
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get too much an arbitration because he just

877
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: lacks counting numbers.

878
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 2: I think he will still do very well in arbitration

879
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: because his per game numbers and his season long average

880
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: is still so good over time. Does the stat that

881
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 2: Tim Britton dropped? Oh? No, Anthony to Como dropped after

882
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: the game. Two of our three beat reporters we trust

883
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: along with Dha shout out the Big three. But the

884
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: only players who have a higher on base percentage than

885
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Brandon Nemo over the last four seasons four seasons? Yeah?

886
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Yes, okay? How many players is it?

887
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: One? Two, three, four, five, six?

888
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: Uh Wan Soda yes, Mookie Betts yes, Mike Trout yes,

889
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: two more, Joey Vado No.

890
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: Fuck four seasons he's a terrible couple of seasons. Yeah,

891
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: but he still gets like three fifty three sixty every year.

892
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: The two that you missed are probably the least obvious.

893
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: One should be more obvious. Just it's been a bad

894
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: eighteen months. The other guy, Yes, the other guy you've

895
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: already mentioned this podcast.

896
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I already mentioned him.

897
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey Turner, no mentioned him? No, who is it?

898
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 2: Freddy Freeman?

899
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Freddy Freeman's.

900
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: Good too, and he's ahead of guys like Bregman, Jose Ramirez,

901
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 2: Trey Turner, Max Munsey, other elite hitters in the game.

902
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: He's so good, He's so fucking good. He is still

903
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: injury prone and he will not outlive that tag until

904
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: he does. Trey Turner was once injury prone and he's

905
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: now healthy as hell. But I think it's like very

906
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: worth it to extend Brandon Nemo now buy out his

907
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: last two years after arbitration, because he debuted late. So

908
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: if you buy out those years, you're gonna get cheaper

909
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: years between thirty and thirty two than you would get

910
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: if you resigned him then. So I think it's very

911
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: worth entering negotiation brandim or right now to lock him

912
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: into probably a higher arbitration rate, because, like you said,

913
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: he wouldn't do as well as he would have as

914
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: you could if he played one hundred and forty games

915
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: a year. But he's so elite on a per game

916
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: basis that he has to be the lead off heather

917
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: of this team when he's healthy for the foreseeable future.

918
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: Remember when we let off Kevin Pallara on opening Day.

919
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: I was seething mad.

920
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable how this season is gone. This is such

921
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,479
Speaker 1: a roller coaster. This game was a roller coaster too,

922
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: Luckily for us. After Stroman came out of the game,

923
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: we saw the lead and Familia, May and Diaz got

924
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: lights out.

925
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: Money cash was easy. It was like no stress. It

926
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: was so nice. It was weird. That is, we're almost like,

927
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: all right, we're on ten game winning street. You let

928
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: you guys have one.

929
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,919
Speaker 1: Also worth noting that we did score more runs after

930
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: the first sitting. Yes, we got some interesting hits and

931
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: runs and scores. And what JD.

932
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: Davis hit a home run. I believe that might have

933
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: been the inside that home run I was thinking of

934
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: from me. I think that's the one one of them hit,

935
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: like a bizarre home run to it didn't look like

936
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: it was going out.

937
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Somebody whoever would have regardless, it's minutia at this point.

938
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: But Met's win this game and it still sucks.

939
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: Still not good, but.

940
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: Damn it, we're ending on a high note and you're

941
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: keeping me interested.

942
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: Still. We just have this stretch coming up where we're

943
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: playing twelve games against the Nationals and the Marlins, and

944
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: we've seen what the Braves have done over the last

945
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: two weeks against teams like the Orioles, the Nationals and

946
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: the Marlins, and you think in the back of your head,

947
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: like it's possible that we can do that.

948
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the only problem is the Braves also need to lose.

949
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: That's the issue.

950
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: Braves are so good right now, Like what the fuck?

951
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: They are the team that I think everyone was starting

952
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: thought they were gonna see at the beginning of the year,

953
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: but go figure, it's without Ronald Acunya, who's their best player. Arguably,

954
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: Watching the Braves these last couple of weeks makes me

955
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. That the Mets couldn't find a

956
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: way to sign Charlie Morton in the offseason, Charlie Morton

957
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: couldn't trade for Duval Jack Peterson, Eddie Rosario, the litany

958
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: of outfielders that they have were who they got for nothing, nothing,

959
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing, And we were like Kevin Palar, Albert al

960
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Mora Junior, Travis Blankenhorne. That's who we want.

961
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: We couldn't break up the chemistry in this clubhouse, Mark,

962
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 2: you kidding me? These guys are all such good friends.

963
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Hang the banner up, best chemistry in the league.

964
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: We know that painful. It's just painful because I don't

965
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: even know if we play them again. The Braves, Yeah,

966
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: I really don't know.

967
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: I have no clue.

968
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: I think maybe we we go there, definitely. I don't know.

969
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: We might play one more series. It wouldn't make sense,

970
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: not to truthful.

971
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: No, we have like basically forty games left. There has

972
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: to be at least a series against them.

973
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: Three just give me three, yeah, three games.

974
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: But I think to speak on this chemistry as well,

975
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it's worth noting that Stroman shouted out Mosica

976
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: after the game for why he pitched so well. Stroman's

977
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: always a good teammate, always talking highly of his guys,

978
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: But to shout out Mosica and the work that he's

979
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: been putting in, I think also it was like just

980
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: a really nice thing to hear.

981
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Mesica was thrown into the fire, having to

982
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: fly like midday from Sarahcuse to San Francisco in an

983
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: emergency situation, and he's been fantastic. Just calls it good game.

984
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: He's better defensively than I thought. I mentioned before that

985
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: he's like not all.

986
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 1: He's not good at anything, but he's not bad.

987
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: He's a fine player to having a forty man roster. Yes,

988
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: Chancesco as well. I think they both did a very

989
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: good job this series.

990
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: For these scenarios. They're perfect.

991
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: Yes.

992
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: Mets also made some transaction news, which is interesting. We

993
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: picked up a reliever, Heath Hembury, who was on the

994
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds, and he was with the Phillies and Red

995
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Sox recently as well, but it came from the Reds

996
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: and you got some notes on him. What do you

997
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: think about Heath Hembury, Because when I see that name,

998
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: I gough, buta.

999
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like but like at the end of the day,

1000
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: Heath Hembury throws ninety five miles now with his fastball.

1001
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: He has great ride on it, some of the highest

1002
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: spin on his forcing fastball in baseball. He has a

1003
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: good slider with lots of break. The Reds told him

1004
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: to throw that slider like fifty percent of the time

1005
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 2: run in the twenty thirty percent, he was throwing it

1006
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: with like the trash organization, like the Phillies, says, know

1007
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: what they're doing. And he could just probably better than

1008
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: the worst reliever in our bullpens. So I think this

1009
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: is a very good signing.

1010
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what Heath Hembry can do. Listen,

1011
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: he can't be that bad, right, Kenny. We can't be worse.

1012
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: He can't be pretty bad. He was just cut by

1013
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: a team pitching well decent. He leaves the Reds and

1014
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: saves this season, but he had like three awful addings

1015
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: in a row, and they just got him out because

1016
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: they had Michael Lorenzen coming back. They picked up Michael Gibbins,

1017
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: who's pitched well, and Lucas Sims SAYSA. They picked up

1018
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Lucas Sims came off the IL and he's pitched better

1019
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: since then. T J. Antones coming back soon. So I

1020
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: don't want to say they're flushed with ballpensal and these

1021
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: are not names that strike fear into your boots, but

1022
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: I think they were just like guy would just get

1023
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: rid of Heath Hembery. He's fucking Heath Hembry.

1024
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's better than Jeff hart Leeb. So

1025
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I'll take that.

1026
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: That's exactly where we're at, which is fine.

1027
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: He's supposed to be our last reliever. Now do we

1028
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: want to go into the question portion here? Because we

1029
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: took some questions from Twitter, we want to answer them

1030
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: from you guys. Give you some shout outs as well,

1031
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: because we ended up focusing on these games a lot

1032
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: more than we thought. But it's like ten minutes a game,

1033
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: which is we always do. It's ten minutes a game.

1034
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: That's what just happens. Like ten minutes a game. It's

1035
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: gonna come out to forty minutes here. So let's answer

1036
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: these questions on Twitter. And the first one's coming to

1037
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: us from top disney Man, which that's quite the Twitter at.

1038
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: But here we go.

1039
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Loyal follower, loyal follower, we pick.

1040
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: I picked all loyal followers, people who I see are

1041
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: always interacting with us on Twitter. Sorry, if you don't

1042
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: have a Twitter, get one, you should. It's twenty twenty one.

1043
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: But here we go Top disney Man. When Lindor comes

1044
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: back who's on the bench. And I think this is

1045
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: a fair question. Dom McNeil, Davis, MVR have to fight

1046
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: for the starting spots and leftfield and third base. Honestly,

1047
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I think VR deserves third base right now, what do

1048
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: you think? Who do you think, because obviously it's gonna

1049
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: be Lindorjavey Alonso. We have third base open, like he said,

1050
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: and I guess yeah, that last outfield spot. Who gets

1051
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: those two spots?

1052
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: And this is also assuming them out going forward, those

1053
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: playing again every day, which I think is the right decision.

1054
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna become a lot of a lefty

1055
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: righty thing, you know, and lo about who's pitching and

1056
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: what kind of defense we want. If we're facing a

1057
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 2: left handed pitcher and Marcus Stroman isn't pitching, then Jady

1058
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Davis will be out there as long as he's hitting.

1059
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 2: If we want more defense there, it's gonna be either

1060
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: VR or McNeil, depending on whether or not we're facing

1061
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: a leftie or ready. And I think it's interesting to

1062
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: note that Jeff McNeil has been working out in the outfield.

1063
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: Recently played the outfield today in Game four.

1064
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: There you go. So I think that we're gonna start

1065
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: to seek him and dom indirect competition for at bats,

1066
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: which is something that we expected in April and now

1067
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen in August. So I don't know, but

1068
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: it's really gonna be a game by game, matchup by

1069
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: matchup basis, not like we're gonna have set star as

1070
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: any position because we'd be stupid too. And a live

1071
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: is gonna ride hotthand where we need defense but we

1072
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: need offense. And when they're facing the left ear already yep.

1073
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: And also is your me coming back anytime soon?

1074
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: I haven't heard anything.

1075
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything on him. But if he does,

1076
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: that also throws another wrench too it because he's probably

1077
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: gonna play a little third base as.

1078
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: Well, at least for Marcus Stroman.

1079
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's definitely worth thinking about who's gonna be

1080
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: at each spot. But I would think on a given

1081
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: day it's gonna be McNeil and left JD at third.

1082
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: I think that's probably their favorable lineup right now. I

1083
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Tom's been so bad.

1084
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm I think we'll see more VR you than you're

1085
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: leading on. I think they proven to really be to

1086
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 2: really have something a lot of guys in this team don't.

1087
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: And I think that JD has been so hot and

1088
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: cold at the plate, and he's just he's just not

1089
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: at their basement. He's just really bad there.

1090
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you agree that it's gonna be McNeil over Don Moore?

1091
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: If I was the manager, that'd be my decision. And

1092
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: I think between I mean the short term production, long

1093
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: term production, and just the concept of seniority is like

1094
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: a high school baseball team. But it's true, like I

1095
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: think that that's McNeil's spot. He's also he's just a

1096
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: much better defense defensive outfields than Tom Smith.

1097
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: It's actually a plus defensive outfielder.

1098
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it comes down to those two guys in

1099
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: the outfield, it should be McNeil in spades.

1100
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: Definitely, And I agree with you. Okay, next question here

1101
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: coming from at Big Blake Season, which is just an

1102
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: insane Twitter handle jows for manager. Is what his name is?

1103
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: I think it's general manager.

1104
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: No, No, it's just manager. Now, Okay, what would you

1105
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: do with CONFORDO? I feel like giving him a one year,

1106
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: five to ten million dollar deal.

1107
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: Prove it.

1108
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I didn't read that right. I feel like giving him

1109
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: a one year, five to ten million dollar prove it

1110
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: deal wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Worst

1111
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: comes to worst, He's a bench bat for one year.

1112
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: I think that the Mets have a very unique opportunity

1113
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: to you in Michael Conforla. Right now, I'm in what

1114
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: i'd call the minority of people who still truly believes

1115
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: in Michael Confordo's talent in the short and long term.

1116
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: I just do. I haven't seen anything really about him

1117
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: physically this year that would lead me to believe a

1118
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: g who is like a very stable three to four

1119
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: win player who hits between two sixty and two eighty,

1120
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: with good defensive power and great play discipline will just

1121
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: stop being good altogether. I just I just can't believe it,

1122
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: and I think that the first off, the Mets should

1123
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 2: one hundred percent off extend him the qualifying offer. There's

1124
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: no doubt my mind is again that Mike confour though,

1125
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: is worth whatever wind up being next year, between eighteen

1126
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: and twenty million dollars for one year. If someone blows

1127
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: me out the wall with a contract, you get a

1128
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: first round pick. Everyone shakes hands. This was a fun time.

1129
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 2: But I think that the Mets should really try to

1130
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: undercut moucnfourdo here, just low ball the shit out of him,

1131
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: whatever the opposite of the Godfather. Make him an offer

1132
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: he can't refuse, Make him an offer that makes him

1133
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: sick to his stomach. But really logical, like that's what

1134
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: you should do, like literally tell get Scott Boris in

1135
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: his puny, little peanut head and put it under your

1136
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: fucking boot and just squish him, because you know that

1137
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: no one's gonna offer maultcoin four though, even probably one

1138
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars this offseason. So give him like five

1139
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: for sixty five and say take it or leave it,

1140
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: lock in generational wealth for you, your family and everyone

1141
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: you've ever known. Or you could just do a qualifying

1142
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: offer and we'll see if you're good again.

1143
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm in the boat of qualifying offer and smell you later.

1144
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: And I know that's probably not the right way to

1145
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: handle it, because, like you said, like get dive deeper

1146
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 1: into the numbers, and there hasn't been much that's changed, really,

1147
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: but I just I got such a bad taste in

1148
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: my mouth a little bit of what have you done

1149
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: for me recently or lately and it's just nothing.

1150
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: But I just I think that even if you're able

1151
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: to get milk and forth on the books for somewhere

1152
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: between thirteen and nineteen million dollars a year for five years,

1153
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: like his game will age very well just because of

1154
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: his play, discipline and the lack of ath lesson he's

1155
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: always had.

1156
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: Here's where I get stuck with this, and I'm gonna

1157
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: talk about the New York Yankees here for a little bit,

1158
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: because they signed Aaron Hicks to a similar sort of

1159
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: contract that you're talking about here, which is like that

1160
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: five or seven for eighty five I think they did. Yeah,

1161
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: And while in the short term it doesn't look like

1162
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: a lot of money, that's enough though, where he has

1163
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: to basically play and you could be getting better players

1164
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: at that position and spending that money on better players.

1165
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: So that's what scares me about like a long term

1166
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: deal is while it's not a lot, you're still paying

1167
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: him to maybe be bad.

1168
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to pour shit's on a cold water on

1169
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: that comparison you just made because Aaron Hicks a lot

1170
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 2: of his value was derived from him being an above

1171
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: average defensive center fielder, and that was the reason the

1172
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: Yankees did give him that deal, which I believe was

1173
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. I want to say conservatively.

1174
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's twenty nineteen.

1175
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: I think maybe twenty nineteen they gave it to him.

1176
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: I can check right now. Twenty nineteen they gave him

1177
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: so after the twenty eighteen season. And that twenty eighteen

1178
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: season he played one hundred and forty games. He almost

1179
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: walked as much as he struck out. He had twenty

1180
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: seven home runs, and he played great defense defense center field.

1181
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: He was worth five wins, But that was a pretty

1182
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: big break from everything he's ever done his career. Ever, no,

1183
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: like I get where you're going, Like they're not the

1184
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: same player, And by no means do I think that?

1185
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: And Aaron Hicks had was always incredibly injury prone. Mike qunfour, though,

1186
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: is pretty stable. He's had a couple of freak things

1187
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: here and there, a couple of soft tissues, and he

1188
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: had the shoulder thing which was kind of scary, but

1189
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: he seems that that has been put behind him. But

1190
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think that Aaron Hicks's floor

1191
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: was so much lower than Mike Confourtho's is right now,

1192
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 2: especially because you're not relying on good defensive center field,

1193
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: and this will also dictated by the market and type

1194
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: of contracts that guys like Jorge Sohilaire, Kyle Schwarber and

1195
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: Tommy fam are getting. And there's another outfielder.

1196
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: Out there though, Mark Charlie Blackman.

1197
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Charlie Blackman like these like seeing what those guys are getting,

1198
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: because I think Malcolm Ford though, is definitely gonna have

1199
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: more value for the next five years than any of them,

1200
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: and that was why he wouldn't sign an extentsion going

1201
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 2: into this year. And thank God that we didn't sign

1202
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: Forth for two hundred millions dollars. Could people would be

1203
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: screaming in the streets. I just think it's a really

1204
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: unique opportunity here for like a classic by Low and

1205
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: to do that internally is super rare, and I think

1206
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 2: the Mets should jump at the opportunity to extend him

1207
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: and offer again five years eighty million.

1208
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you being the optimistic one here with Michael

1209
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: conforda the podcast needs that.

1210
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: I think it was being logically. I don't think Malcolm

1211
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: Ford will be worth five wins ever again, probably not,

1212
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: but I just think that we could just get a

1213
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: guy who's a good hitter for pretty cheap.

1214
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see, we'll see what the Mets do. But

1215
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: qualifying offer I think we both agree, no doubt gotta happen.

1216
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: Third question here at across the underscore court, is a

1217
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: possibility to still take the division. We had it at

1218
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: the beating of August and lost it by mid August.

1219
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: Anything is possible. And while that is a sentence, that

1220
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: is where it's put together. No, I'm not gonna say.

1221
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, no, because if we go ten to

1222
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: two against the Nationals and Marlins, we could be like

1223
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: three or four games back, and then we have a

1224
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: month to play. And then if you're three games back

1225
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: with a month to play, anything is possible. I'm not

1226
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and tell you that the Mets can't

1227
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 2: win the division. I would be shocked.

1228
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: We're seven back. We're seven back.

1229
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: The Braves were seven back, like less than two weeks ago.

1230
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then I don't think the Braves have fifteen

1231
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: games against the Dodgers and Giants left here.

1232
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm currently pulling up their schedule, so give me a

1233
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: few moments.

1234
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, not to mention, we also have to

1235
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: pass the Phillies. So I think the Phillies stink and

1236
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: we will pass them, But that's still possibly that if

1237
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: everything stays exactly the same, there are ahead of us.

1238
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: The Phillies are exactly what they are. They're gonna end

1239
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: the season with between eighty two and eighty six wins. Yeah,

1240
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: which that was always the case. We said that in

1241
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: March if you would have been listening back then, like

1242
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: that was always one hundred percent true. Let's look at

1243
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: this brain schedule here though. All right, so the Braves

1244
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: actually do have a very difficult schedule coming up.

1245
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: All right, tell me what the names are.

1246
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 2: Yankees, Giants, Dodgers.

1247
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: How many games?

1248
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: That's eight? And then they go to Colorado for four

1249
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockies, who are winning at almost a seven

1250
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: hundred clip at home.

1251
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: The Rockies have fifty seven wins. The Let's have sixty one.

1252
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: That's disgusting.

1253
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: The Braves, similar to us two weeks ago, have not

1254
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: played against San Francisco Giants yet, and we've seen how

1255
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: difficult is to beat that team. They do still have

1256
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 2: eight Uh, let's see how many here? They do still

1257
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: have six or many games against the Nationals and Marlins,

1258
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: and then a four game set out in Arizona and

1259
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 2: a series at home against the Rockies.

1260
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: So we don't play the Braves.

1261
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: No, we do. Last we played them three games to

1262
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: end the season. Oh boy, I know, Oh boy, I

1263
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: know in Atlanta.

1264
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: Oh boy, might be taking a flight down to Atlanta

1265
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: if we're close.

1266
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm not telling you it's impossible, but the fact that

1267
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 2: they have to play the Giants six times, the Dodgers

1268
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 2: three times, and take a trip to Colorado, it's not

1269
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: And they also go to San Diego, who hasn't been

1270
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: very good, but they're also not bad.

1271
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why you're my yin and

1272
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: yang on this. You're you're keeping it upbeat, you keep

1273
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: its possible possible, You have hope. I'm hopeless.

1274
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 2: Phillies actually have a far as your schedule, which is funny.

1275
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: But again we're not gonn bring the up because they're gonn

1276
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: end season with eighty four wins and I have no

1277
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: doubt him back. So yeah, they got diamonbacks, they got Marlins,

1278
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: I got Nationals. The Braids get some diyingbacks here too,

1279
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: but they go to Arizona, mad They are taking a

1280
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: West coast road trip San Francisco, Arizona, San Diego from

1281
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: September seventeenth to twenty sixth, ahead of a six game

1282
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 2: homestand with the Phillies and Mess to end the season.

1283
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: That I have never seen a West Coast trip that

1284
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: late in the year for a contender truly.

1285
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: Well, as we know, MLB scheduling has been god awful

1286
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: this year.

1287
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Speaker 2: Good.

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00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm glad the Braves got a shit schedule. About time

1289
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: someone else got a shit sandwich besides us.

1290
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 2: So let's see. Maybe the Braves will have an awful

1291
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: West coast trip just like we did, and we'll have

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00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: We'll be four games out with six to play and

1293
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: three of them coming. Yes, the Braves. Who knows who?

1294
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: Stranger things have happened.

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00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: There have been stranger things that have happened. I hope

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00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope you're right,

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00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: But boy, am I down.

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00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: I just want to watch in baseball, man. I want

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00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: to have some fun here.

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Speaker 1: Last question we got here from Andres Vasquez, who asked

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00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: maybe thirty questions on this week. So Andres, I had

1302
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: to pick one because I've never seen someone have the determination.

1303
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: It seems like you might have made this Twitter account

1304
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: to possibly follow us, so I love that. Here you

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00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: go do the Mets need pitching or batting going into

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00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season more twenty twenty two season.

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00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: More. I really want to find a polite way to

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00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 2: say both. I would think the Mets need a lot.

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 2: This all depends on the health of Jacob de Gram's

1310
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: right elbow. Yeah, because the Mets rotation could either go

1311
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: from what I think is one of the best in

1312
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: baseball next year to just woefully average. Yeah, and it's

1313
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: all gonna come on the report of a doctor in

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00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: the next couple of months. And I don't want this

1315
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: to be a Chris Sales situation where Jacob de Grim's

1316
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: during ninety three miles an hour in spring training and

1317
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: then something catastrophic has to happen then rather than now.

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00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: I just I don't want to say these words. I

1319
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 2: just as you could tell I don't want to say

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00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: any of these things.

1321
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: We'll not say it.

1322
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: I will not manifest any of these possibilities here. But

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00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: if Jacob de Grim is healthy, and let's just say that,

1324
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: we re sign no Singerard that Marcus Stroman because no

1325
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 2: sing the guard we can get a count again because

1326
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna take the QO bit She'll take the QO

1327
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: if not a two year prove it deal, two years,

1328
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: two years for forty, which I think I would give

1329
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: him in a second. Yeah, I will. You can give

1330
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: Noasindgar two years for forty and I'll cook all his meals,

1331
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: just throw it in, just let him know I will

1332
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: do anything. I will.

1333
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: We can get his venison for him. I'll hunt the

1334
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: deer myself.

1335
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: I will string his cleats. I don't care. I will

1336
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: stay in his bat. But if you get him and

1337
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: Stroman back, and then you also have Carrasco, and then

1338
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: you also have maguill Tyler McGill. That is a formidable five,

1339
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: a very formidable five, and Taiwan Walker that's then we

1340
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 2: have that is sick suddenly. As we've learned this year,

1341
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: you need depth. So you still have to bring in

1342
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 2: a guy who can just give you consistent innings, someone

1343
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: in the mold of a lukezy who could just do

1344
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 2: something for a couple times a week and then that'll

1345
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: be okay. But the Mets need some impact hitters and

1346
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: impact positions. I'm looking at guys like Carls Korea, Corey

1347
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: Seeger we mentioned before, can fourth though Tommy fam Now

1348
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: I don't want Charlie black mcuse, I'm certain he's gonna

1349
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: be awful outside the Courys fields at this age. Yeah,

1350
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: Mark canha like a lot. I've seen people throw around

1351
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: named Chris Taylor, who is so due to be a

1352
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: disappointment in Green. This is so what I threw out there,

1353
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 2: same thing when Nick Castellanos. That guy will get swallowed

1354
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: up by city field and hit sixteen home runs next

1355
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: season and play awful defense in the outfield after we

1356
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: gave him thirty million and somewhat fucking A's will take

1357
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: Michael fourd o for fifteen million a year and he'll

1358
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: be an All Star for the rest of his life.

1359
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: The messes have to get really good players, and I'm

1360
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: really again gonna look at the Corey Seegers, the Carls

1361
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: Cares and Trevor Story and make one of those guys

1362
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: be yourt the third basement for their base future.

1363
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Third basement or second basement depends which way I define

1364
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: want to go.

1365
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: And we can't. We can't be holding the feelings of

1366
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: guys like Dominic Smith, Jeff McNeil, JD. Davis at Bay

1367
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: Jeff McNeil is still gonna be very useful member of

1368
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: the team as probablyble Dominick Smith's if a neither of

1369
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: them are traded. Same with Jay Davis, he's not in

1370
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: the move. But you gotta just think about a guy

1371
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: like McNeil as the super utility guy who finds his

1372
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: way into one hundred games, but we're not We're not

1373
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 2: bookending him for one hundred and forty.

1374
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of the guys that we thought were

1375
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 1: maybe pieces to build around, we have to find them

1376
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: as the guys who are around the other guys that

1377
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: were building around. Now it's no longer building around a

1378
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: core that includes Dom jd Davis, McNeil, Michael Conforido. They

1379
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: are gonna be the accessory pieces to the big guys

1380
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: that we have with Alonso Lindor Nimo.

1381
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I think that switching those roles might even

1382
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: just take some of the pressure off these guys, Like

1383
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: I think about someone like Jay Croniworth, who came into

1384
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 2: this season, so Fernante's he'sa shortstop, has Sung Kim was signed,

1385
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 2: eric Os were making a ton of money at first base,

1386
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: Jerkson Profar has resigned. There's players all over this Padres team,

1387
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 2: and Jake Cronaworth didn't really have a very obvious role

1388
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: in opening Day and he almost leads the league and

1389
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: play the appearances right now, and that is just the

1390
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 2: way it's supposed to be. Chris Taylor also same exact situation.

1391
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: You have to find Jeff McNeil's role within the roles

1392
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: that those teams have found for those players. And I

1393
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. No, I don't

1394
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 2: think it is either.

1395
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: I think it would be a very smart way to

1396
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: approach the building of this team, as you applauded the

1397
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: Dodgers for doing so. We gotta be smarter. That's just

1398
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: something we're gonna have to do here. That's all we

1399
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: got from Twitter. Thank you guys for asking us questions.

1400
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: Of course at Mets up can tweet us anything and

1401
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 1: we'll reply to you as quickly as we can. We're

1402
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 1: pretty active on there. Let's talk about the Giants series

1403
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: that we got here. We're back in Queens, back in

1404
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: New York, and we're facing those damn Giants again, because

1405
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: why not play twenty five games in a row against

1406
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: the two best teams in the National League.

1407
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: No, it's just it's a fun scheduling quirk.

1408
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: Who do we got on the mound. What are our

1409
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: pitching matchups?

1410
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: The Mets are riding with Tyler McGill on Tuesday evening,

1411
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: Tawan Walker on Wednesday evening, Carlos Carrasco on Thursday evening.

1412
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let this airplane pass.

1413
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: No flying planes in Utah.

1414
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: Be a chopper? Do you hear this thing? Yeah? So loud,

1415
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,240
Speaker 2: I might to leave this in. It's kind of funny.

1416
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Is circling coming for us? Oh my god, it's like

1417
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 2: an army plane. That's really cool. Yeah, I think was bzoom.

1418
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Either something cool or something really bad is happening.

1419
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a massive air Force base in Utah. I

1420
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 2: think the biggest in the country. Oh okay, I probably

1421
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: won't ever thirty miles outside of Salt Lake City. Utah

1422
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: is probably the most beautiful state in the Union. Anyone

1423
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: who enjoys name sure to any monicume of a degree

1424
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: should venture out to Utah because it's fucking beautiful. I'm

1425
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 2: a bill buggers man, that's okay. Some people are. I

1426
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 2: am too. I just also like the nature. I'm a both.

1427
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't discriminate with my structures. But again, we got

1428
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: Tyler McGill on Tuesday night, Tylan Walker on Wednesday night,

1429
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: and Carls Carrasco on Thursday night. That's all good. The

1430
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: Giants have yet to name announcement for Tuesday. I'm expecting

1431
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: that to be Johnny Quaido, as he's about ready to

1432
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: come off the il Alex was on Wednesday, the feared

1433
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: soft tossing lefty, and Kevin Gusman another shot at him

1434
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: on Thursday. I'm not gonna say we're out of any

1435
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: of these games, but like, this is just the Giants,

1436
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: and they're gonna nickel and dime the shit out of us,

1437
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 2: and we might care Francisco Lindor back, which would be

1438
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: just a massive boost, not only like to our actual gameplay,

1439
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: but to our emotions and the vibes and the juice

1440
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: that we've talked about that we've missed, the five win

1441
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: player this team needs. We just fucking win two games.

1442
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: I don't fucking care. You want to actually have a

1443
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: season here, Win two of these games. The Mets are

1444
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 2: still one of the better teams in baseball at home.

1445
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: Win two of these fucking games, grow some goddamn balls,

1446
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 2: bear down and grit your teeth and find a way

1447
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: to winter with these games.

1448
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about being able to flip

1449
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: the script and completely change and not look on a player.

1450
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: Francisco Lindoor comes back Tuesday, hopefully healthy, because he was

1451
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: supposed to maybe come back today. They said he's gonna

1452
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: come back midweek. Now comes back Tuesday and starts the

1453
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: ball out here the last thirty forty games of the season.

1454
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: Talk about being able to switch the average Mets fans

1455
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: opinion on a guy. He'll flip it just like that

1456
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: if he can play big here.

1457
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: I thought his quote the other day was pretty interesting

1458
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: about in response to Steve Cohen's criticism of the team.

1459
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: I didn't hear this, You didn hear this? No, tell me,

1460
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: I'll read the quote right now. This is good for

1461
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: the podcast because I genuinely also don't know, and I

1462
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: can give you my opinion on Lindor's opinion.

1463
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: Opinions on opinions. Isn't that what podcasting is all about?

1464
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Essentially?

1465
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: Here's Lindor said in response to Steve Cohen criticizing the Mets.

1466
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: We haven't really hit all year long. I haven't performed.

1467
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: I haven't done it. Bottom line, I haven't done what

1468
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm here to do when it comes to the offensive side. Defense.

1469
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: They can't talk to me base running. They can't talk

1470
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: to me about that either. But offensively, yeah, criticize me,

1471
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: say whatever, you're right, You're all right. I'm with them.

1472
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: I have not performed Hell yeah, I like it. Accountability,

1473
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 2: own it. That's the type of shit that you do

1474
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: if you want to indoctriate yourself to the people in

1475
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 2: New York. And if he does come back and light

1476
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: the world on fire without the rehab assignment, I don't know.

1477
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: I'll fucking bad down to the guy.

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that can change everyone's opinion real fucking quick, that

1479
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: is for sure, and I hope he does. We've been

1480
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 1: big fans of Lindor. We still are. We've been talking

1481
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: about how great and how big of a Cogy is

1482
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: to this team. It's one of the big points of

1483
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: this episode. Show at Francisco. You got thirty forty games

1484
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: here coming back, you got your boy Hobby playing second base. Anyway,

1485
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: that's where we'll wrap it up here. Thank you guys

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00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: for listening to episode number forty three of the Mets

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Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Make sure you follow us on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: no range me giraftneckmark with the C because that's the

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Speaker 1: only way to spell it. That's it for episode number

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Speaker 1: forty three of the Mess Up Podcast. Guys, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for listening, thank you so much for watching,

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Speaker 1: and we will catch you after this Sam Cisco Giant series.

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Speaker 2: So thanks, guys,