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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Darren Burnett yields, so and so you can't prove that. Hey, good,

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Speaker 2: you know it's ridiculous. I do Paul Ardoche, that's not kind.

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Speaker 3: Do you know who he is? Okay? No, he's a

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Speaker 3: Hungarian mathematician.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a dude who I've already liked. He's like

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Speaker 3: a mathematicians mathematician. The guy was such a mathematician. He

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Speaker 3: didn't maintain a normal address. He'd lived out of a

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Speaker 3: suitcase and go from mathematician's house the mathematician's house, would

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Speaker 3: They'd write like two papers together, and you go, who

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Speaker 3: do you think I should see next? Then he'd go

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Speaker 3: and he'd go to their house. And then he was

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Speaker 3: basically a hobo, a mathematician. And then they would give

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Speaker 3: him like stipends to give speeches like universities, and that's

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Speaker 3: what he lived off of to pay for his travels.

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Speaker 3: He did not he was just a He died at

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Speaker 3: a math conference like he was a mathematicians mathematician. Well,

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Speaker 3: the dude also was like a major drug addict, but

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Speaker 3: like he just had his own thing.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He was a heavy caffeine drinker. He loved to drink

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Speaker 3: a lot of coffee, Okay, he also liked After his

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Speaker 3: mother died, he got really in da amphetamines. And since

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Speaker 3: I told the story, I got it. I'm amping it up.

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Speaker 3: Forget coffee, that's yesterday, I'm on damphetamines.

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Speaker 2: No, but he's a gateway drunk exactly.

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Speaker 3: The listener ben Inbar sent this into me, and it

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Speaker 3: was in response to the guy talked about he had

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Speaker 3: the crystal meth that saved him, right, yea, so paul

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Speaker 3: erdos he he was doing a lot of Benza dream right,

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Speaker 3: like old school mid centuries man myth exactly. So it

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Speaker 3: He wasn't like like, you know, chopping up lines and

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Speaker 2: So Bob Dylan of it all.

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Speaker 3: After his mother dies, everybody was worried about him. One

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Speaker 3: And they're like, okay, well, maybe Paul, you should not

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Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, well you're thought about maybe just

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Speaker 3: totally bet you that until you bet. You bet five

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Speaker 3: And then at the end of the month he said,

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Speaker 3: love this guy, right, and He's just like, let me

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Speaker 3: give my speed in my map. Damn it. How ridiculous

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Speaker 3: is that he is one of the greatest mathematicians of

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Speaker 2: Multo ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh he also is the most prolific. He's written the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but are they intelligible? Every time he writes to

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Speaker 2: just digs through the grass paper. It's just crazy going hard.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? Or

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Speaker 2: for it losing a painting to a thief one oooh

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Speaker 2: three times? This is Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd

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Speaker 2: and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always ninety nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous. You damn right.

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Speaker 2: Art crime my favorite kind of crime. It is love

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Speaker 2: art crime. I got a doozy for you, Today's real

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Speaker 2: Dusenberger adezers. First, take a trip with me. We began

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Speaker 2: this tale in the Netherlands in sixteen twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, then get.

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Speaker 2: Get your clogs. It was in that year that Dutch

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Speaker 2: Golden Age painter Franz Halls the Elder painted one of

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Speaker 3: That really classic, right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the painting, a young man like a teen, it

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Speaker 2: and what looks either like drunken revelry or joyful innocence?

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Speaker 2: Why not both?

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Speaker 3: Why not both?

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Speaker 2: Exactly? So Hall's work employed really visible brushstrokes, heavily visible,

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Speaker 2: and that had been seen as a huge flaw up

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Speaker 3: The texture becomes part of it, exactly.

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Speaker 2: There was an energy to it, and the laughing boys

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Speaker 3: What was that excuse me, bless me, bless.

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Speaker 2: Bless me, thank me. It's a Dutch word that means

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like naval gazer like but in the

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Speaker 2: And so when people at the time saw the laughing boys,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't look like either condemnation or an advertisment, right, right,

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Speaker 2: So it isn't one of Hall's master works or of

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Speaker 2: the painting was a Dutchman named Peter von Eriden, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a notary public just stamping

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Speaker 2: He'll process anything. He married a woman named Maria, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Maria like, I don't know. She's like in

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Speaker 2: it's social safety net for generally elderly women. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The rules for this hafya were straightforward. Only indigen single

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Speaker 2: same for Maria's place. Her will also quote stipulated that

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Speaker 2: Still to today the place is still st exist. It

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Speaker 2: So anyway, Nazis are coming. The ladies and the caretaker,

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Speaker 3: I find that it helps with modern audiences occasionally to

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Speaker 2: That? In everything?

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Speaker 2: It is no thinking necessary. Effe answer, what would Indy do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So just like Indy, they saved art. They saved

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Speaker 2: Hans Solo. So all these years the Hofya van Arden

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Speaker 2: had been housing women in need right up to today.

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Speaker 2: The regions of the place are all still ancestors of Maria,

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Speaker 2: just like it directed in her will. But in between

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Speaker 2: a museum. They felt that it was a shame to

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Speaker 2: keep such an impressive collection of artwork away from the public.

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Speaker 2: And I'm guessing the money to be made on tickets

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know one thing they sell in the gift shop

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Speaker 2: there toilet paper nut oil. Really, you have to say

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Speaker 2: it like that. It's made from the it's oil from

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Speaker 2: the walnut trees on the property.

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Speaker 3: Oh right, So they were run into like a monastery

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Speaker 3: or a convent or. They make some stuff out of there.

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Speaker 2: Back in twenty eighteen they had a banner year for production.

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Speaker 2: They put out a press release quote, We collected an

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Speaker 2: abundance of nuts in the nuts and let them dry

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Speaker 2: in the attic for a few months, after which we

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Speaker 2: sorted them. All nuts have passed through our hands with love.

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Speaker 2: This afternoon a trunk full of walnuts went to Mobipers

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Speaker 2: in Zulin and had them pressed. So stop it. So

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Speaker 2: we have plenty of nut oil in one hundred milliliter bottles,

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Speaker 2: including nice recipes for sale.

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Speaker 3: You know we crazy. We got the trunk of nuts.

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Speaker 2: We have handled all the nuts with love.

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Speaker 3: Yes, totally handled the nuts with love and got that

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Speaker 2: Ten women still live in the Hofya today. Yeah, volunteers

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Speaker 2: maintain the building, the museum and the gardens. What I'm

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Speaker 3: I really liked the Dutch cheeses when I was over there,

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Speaker 2: So good. Nineteen eighty eight, The Netherlands beat the Soviet

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Speaker 2: he was the biggest drug trader in European history. Whoa yeah.

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Speaker 2: What does it say about humans and their desire for drugs?

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Speaker 2: It's a lot people, you.

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Speaker 2: He didn't leave a will, and his siblings wanted nothing

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Speaker 2: The paintings were returned, laughing boys were once again hanging

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Speaker 2: Or was it Let's take a break, we come back.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what happened next to those two drunk kids.

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Speaker 2: Hello Saryn, Hello Elizabeth. I'm glad you could make it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, me too.

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Speaker 3: Can I take this mask off now? No, but it's

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Speaker 2: Are you I have an old man?

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Speaker 3: Yes? You old man mask.

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Speaker 2: That we'll see. I gotta wait until someone knocks on

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, Adele was burning up the international music charts.

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Speaker 2: There's sophomore twenty one, Zarin, we're talking rolling in the deep.

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Speaker 2: I know it a song I believe I've heard of,

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Speaker 2: Okay? Is that what that is?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what movie came out in twenty two.

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Speaker 3: And they are Barry Gordy's kids. Somehow there a Berry

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Speaker 2: Okay, I still has still have no idea sounds It's like,

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't. I didn't watch any movies that year.

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Speaker 2: Terrence Malicks The Tree of Life?

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Speaker 3: Is that a movie?

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Speaker 2: God? I love that movie? Moneyball?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thor? You know that funny hammer guy with Thor,

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Speaker 3: I don't think they Dutch cared about Hammerman. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: Not so sad for them. While Thor was underperforming in

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Speaker 2: Hey oo, so good. I know, I am a smooth

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Speaker 3: Am I right? That's not gonna have them.

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Speaker 2: So this theft was similar to the previous one, although

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Speaker 2: I don't believe anyone was held at gunpoint.

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Speaker 3: This time.

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Speaker 2: They just smashed in, triggering the alarm, but they were

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Speaker 3: Can you believe that the same two paintings.

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Speaker 2: Not only did they take the Laughing Boys, they also

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Speaker 2: couldn't be the same purse. So it took three years

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Speaker 3: Wow, well you said there's three times. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 2: Six months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The the genius is who stole it decided to sell

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Speaker 2: So four dudes from Amsterdam.

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Speaker 3: I think I know about it because of the hitting

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Speaker 2: Right, four dudes from Amsterdam get arrested, they get tried,

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Speaker 3: That's what I was guessing. I was like, it just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does this accomplished?

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Speaker 3: Spoiler alerts on jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's jump forward a little in time, shall we say?

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Speaker 2: March thirtieth, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Hey, there we are.

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Speaker 2: This is like two weeks after we went into hard

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Speaker 2: a weird time. And March thirtieth is Van Go's birthday.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday. You're familiar with van Go? Correct?

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's pretend you're not the guy with one ear. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know him.

438
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: Born in eighteen fifty three in Holland. Yes, a big

439
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: fan post Impressionist artistes. He went hard in the paint

440
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 2: pun intended on color.

441
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 3: Yes.

442
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: After an aimless start to his adult life, he decided

443
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: to be an artist. Guess what? So he eventually moved

444
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: to Paris. This is the really abbreviated cliff note version

445
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 2: here where he met the impressionists. He tried hard to

446
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 2: do what they did, he couldn't.

447
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 3: He moved to all friends friends.

448
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he created his own style. He became frenemies with

449
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: artist Paul Gogun, Yes, and it became enemies, and then

450
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: they got into a tussle each other. Van Go tried

451
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 2: to cut go Gon with a razor. Gogan stopped him,

452
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: and at some point the razor removed part of Vang's ear.

453
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 3: Crazy man.

454
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, because then van Go goes into a

455
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 2: mental asylum and then he met a tragic end in

456
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety. Did you know that the best of Vango's

457
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: works were done in the span of just three years. Yeah.

458
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: He only sold one painting in this.

459
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: Brother did it for him, right, Yeah, like, please buy.

460
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: He's now seen as one of the most important artists

461
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: in modern history.

462
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, picasa.

463
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: And he's especially famous for his painting Starry Night. That

464
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: one's worth about one hundred million dollars.

465
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen it in person? No, it's it

466
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 3: is impressive.

467
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: I can imagine his Sunflowers series. I've seen some of

468
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: those in person. I enjoy those. They run from eighty

469
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: million to over one hundred million apiece. Yeah, those aforementioned

470
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: paintings are all in his like passionate bright style. His

471
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,439
Speaker 2: early works were much more somber, and the palette much darker.

472
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go to the Vango Museum in the Netherlands,

473
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: I've been there. That's why I saw a lot of

474
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: this stuff. It's wild because you get you forget how

475
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 3: much of a range he went.

476
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: Through right right.

477
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: So.

478
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: An example of one of the somber paintings is a

479
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: painting called the Parsonage Garden at noonan in Winter. In it,

480
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: a figure wearing a dark hat and even darker cloak

481
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: stands off center entering a barren garden. At the far

482
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: end of the garden is a passage through a hedgerow

483
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: leading to a like a modest church in the background.

484
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: The trees for the most part are in leaf, and

485
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 2: there's even one tree far to the right covered in blossoms.

486
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: But in contrast the gardens bear The only spring green

487
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: visible is what looks like a couple of weeds just

488
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: out outside of what's left of the garden fence. Colors

489
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 2: are muddy, the figures half turned and looking over their

490
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 2: shoulder at the viewer. There's like a hunch to their posture.

491
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: Is it aide shame, secrecy, distress?

492
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: Who knows the history of fishing?

493
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: It could be the history of fishing wing heavy on

494
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: their shoulders. Subject matter may not be energetic or frenetic

495
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: like his later work. There's incredible skill to this. It's

496
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: a van Go so by this, by its very nature,

497
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: it's valuable worth about three million dollars. Oh yeah. On

498
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 2: March twenty ninth, twenty twenty, it was on loan from

499
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: a museum in Groningen to the Singer Lauren Museum in Laren,

500
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: the Netherlands.

501
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 3: Say that again, I am so sorry to.

502
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 2: The Dutch people. How I'm just butcheringwhere This is a

503
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: museum in a concert hall dedicated for the most part

504
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: to the works of William Henry Singer and his wife Anna,

505
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: to American artists active at the beginning of the twentieth century,

506
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: and there are other works on display there, including that

507
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 2: dark van Go. Museum is large. It's like a modern

508
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: brick building, not necessarily brutalist, but just like stacked boxes

509
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: in the large glass entryway. On March twenty ninth, twenty twenty,

510
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: the museum, like most things in the world, was closed

511
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: due to COVID. But come the wee hours of March thirtieth,

512
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 2: someone was in there celebrating in their own way Van

513
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 2: Go's birthday.

514
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow's birthday. That's awesome.

515
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: Zaren, Yeah, closy, Oh oh my god. I want you

516
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: to picture it. Yes, it's three thirty am on March thirtieth,

517
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, in the Dutch city of Laren. The night

518
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: is still, no cars on the road, no chatter of

519
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: revelers on the town, just the quiet, cold air. You

520
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: are a large white stylized rabbit statue in front of

521
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: the Singer Lauren Museum. You are a seated figure, but tall,

522
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: perhaps five feet or so. You were made by a

523
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: man named Tom Klassen. You are less Jeff Coons and

524
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: more Benyamino Buffano, who's one of my favorites, Like seventy

525
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: percent Buffano and thirty percent Coons. So you sit as

526
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: an adorable, silent sentinel just in front of the main

527
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: entrance to the museum. Little do you know that within

528
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: twenty four hours you'll be featured in photos across the globe. Suddenly,

529
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: the sound of a small motorbike pierces the air. It

530
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: grows closer, even though You're a stone statue. You can see.

531
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: That's the magic of both art and imaginations. Eron Tom

532
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: Plassan has no idea what he's made in you. The

533
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: bike enters the museum courtyard and does a little luke

534
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: before stopping. A guy in a heavy jacket with a

535
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: hood up hops off the bike. He pulls a sledgehammer

536
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 2: from the back of the bike. You are scared. You're

537
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: a very solid statue, but people are nuts these days,

538
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: and you pray to the rabbit gods that you're spared.

539
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: What's cool is that you can also see behind you,

540
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: and that's how you catch a glimpse of the man

541
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: swinging back the sledgehammer and bringing it forward in full

542
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: contact with the museum's glass doors. He is quite literally

543
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: entering through the gift shop as opposed to exiting. Get it.

544
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: What's cool about you is that you also have access

545
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 2: to the museum's CCTV system. Wonders never seen it, so

546
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: this footage will be available to everyone from media outlets soon,

547
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: but for now you're the only one to witness this.

548
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: You're tapped in. The man steps through the hole in

549
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: the crumbling safety glass and walks with purpose through the

550
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: gift shop. He reaches another set of glass doors that

551
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: lead to the museum exhibits. He swings his hammer into

552
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: the doors with a thud. They are even thicker than

553
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 2: the main doors. He slams and slams and slams against

554
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: the interior glass doors. They finally give way. He gingerly

555
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: steps through the remnants of the doors and heads down

556
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: the long hallway. It's just the sound of his black

557
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: sneakers on the cold floor. You can't see what he's

558
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: up to, but you have your suspicions. Moments later, you

559
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 2: see him on CCTV, sprinting back through the museum. He

560
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: has a flat, rectangular object tucked under his arm. It's

561
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: wrapped in something, but you know that it is one

562
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: of your siblings from inside the museum, some beloved piece

563
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: of art. Now victim to the night. He darts out

564
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: of the shattered front doors, hops on the mope head,

565
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: and off he goes. You hear the engine wind off

566
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: into the distance, and the night grows silent once again.

567
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Let's take a break. When we come back, we'll find

568
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: out more about this theft.

569
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, Elizabeth Dunnan.

570
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Hi, I know you, I know you too. When we

571
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: left off Aaron Burnett. A Van Go was stolen?

572
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 4: Is it?

573
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: It's I always hear van Go. Some people say van

574
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: goff Okay, No.

575
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: If you really want to be pretentious, it's van gok

576
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: okay whatever, it's Vang So the G becomes this like

577
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: glottal stop.

578
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretentious, but not in that way.

579
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: Do you really want to do it?

580
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: Okay?

581
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

582
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, I do love Vangkok. Now I'm exaggerating so you

583
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: can hear the idea van Go.

584
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: It was stolen from a museum in the Netherlands on

585
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Van Go's birthday. I mean, isn't that at them? To

586
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: quote museum director Jan.

587
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: Rudolph de Lorme, yes, please do.

588
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm shocked and unbelievably annoyed that this happened, like annoyed,

589
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: so annoying when they steal my paintings. Three months later,

590
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: in June, detective Arthur Brand, who was assigned to the case,

591
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: received a package. In it were photos of the Van Go.

592
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: Arthur Brand h like as in the DA from Law

593
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: and Order.

594
00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, uh, Thompson totally pictures of the van Go

595
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: and a copy of the May thirtieth, twenty twenty New

596
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: York Times okay. Another thing in the pictures was a

597
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: book called Mestdif's name all one word in English, it

598
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: translates to master Thief.

599
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, okay, yes.

600
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: This was a book by a journalist Wilson Baldwin about

601
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: a man named Octave Durham. Durham stole two van Goes

602
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: in Amsterdam in two thousand and two. And he should

603
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: probably have his own episode, by the way. So the

604
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: director of the museum that owned the van go was

605
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: stoked that the painting still existed. He'd like it back, sure,

606
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: but he was happy that it wasn't destroyed. But the

607
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: commentary with his picture of the book is, you know,

608
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 2: making you wonder is it the same person or did

609
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: they model themselves off? It can't it can't be the

610
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: same person because he'd been busted.

611
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: He was in custody at the time.

612
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: Yeah and so, and he was interviewed by this guy

613
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: for the book. So it's sort of like, is this

614
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 2: Are they trying to pin it on him?

615
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: Are they copying somebody?

616
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: Right? So that's June. Two months after this, the thief

617
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: strikes again August twenty sixth That also happens to be

618
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: the anniversary of Hall's death.

619
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, they're on it.

620
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: At three thirty in the morning. Just like last time,

621
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: the thief catch She commemorated this occasion by stealing laughing

622
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: boys from the Hofya once again. The museum had also

623
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 2: been closed due to COVID. Same emma was used. Someone

624
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: violently smashed in a door. The alarm was triggered, but

625
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: by the time the cops got there, the thief or

626
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: thieves were long gone.

627
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: How slow are these cops.

628
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's cold, it's at that point in

629
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: dis August. Well, they're worried about COVID. Okay, whatever, Yeah,

630
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: it ain't got nothing to do erectly. So what the

631
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: police did find when they got there was quote an

632
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: orange tension strap tied to a flagpole in the garden

633
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: outside the museum that was likely used to lower the

634
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: halls or the thief down a nearby ten foot wall

635
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: to a waiting scooter. Oh so it's exactly the same

636
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: with the scooter and all. It's looking like the same

637
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: cat who stole the van go. So it appeared that

638
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: the thief had gotten to the door by climbing over

639
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: the garden wall, likely by the oil rich walnut trees

640
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to report that. Here's my one percent.

641
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he smashed up a zucchini plant in the process.

642
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: Oh, would you stop it.

643
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: I have a garden with a number of raised beds.

644
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: If it doesn't have a face, it ain't murdered.

645
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: I go out every morning to water, and every morning

646
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: I worry that I'll find everything torn up or destroyed,

647
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: because that happened to me when I was living in

648
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: the South Deer I went to water the garden, deer

649
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: had mowed down all the tomatoes, field, peas, and beans.

650
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: I was devastated.

651
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, I'm sure that did feel like

652
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 3: a you know whatever, a violation.

653
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: It was a death. It was a murder. The deer murdered.

654
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: So I am actually I have been murdered. Do you

655
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: see me over here?

656
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: So I imagine that one of the museum volunteers, who

657
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: was like a major garden nerd like me, heard about

658
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: the theft of the Laughing Boys and was just super bummed,

659
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: but went to check on the garden and was just

660
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: crushed like the zucchini plant. So yeah, anyway, so the

661
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: thief took the painting.

662
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: I worry about you.

663
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: At this point, the painting is worth almost nineteen million dollars.

664
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: That's how much the price had gone up over the years.

665
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: It's hot property. This is what the New York Times said.

666
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: They said that the painting is likely a repeat steal.

667
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Because value, because it was stolen.

668
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well gain Valley because it was stolen. I

669
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: think that they are famous then yeah, okay, this is

670
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: what they said. That thieves likely kept stealing it over

671
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: and over again because it's quote a known commodity. They

672
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: know they can get money out of it from somebody,

673
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: said Christopher Maronello, the founder of Art Recovery International. They

674
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: know the minimum value is brought, they know there might

675
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: be an insurer, so they just it's a solid, you know, reliable, as.

676
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: He put it, unknown commodity. Yes, it's like, oh, it's

677
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: like if there was like an old man in your

678
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: town everyone robbed. This would be he's slow moving, you

679
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: know where he's going to be unknown, And.

680
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: So it's like someone whose car gets biped. They break

681
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: the window and take the stuff in the car, like

682
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: and they just keep leaving stuff in their car and

683
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: they're wondering why their windows are always broken. Well, you

684
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: live in Oakland, and you keep your laptop in the

685
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: back seat. So the thieves. They also apparently hope they

686
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: can use famous artworks as quote bargaining chips if they're

687
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: ever charged with other crimes.

688
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joel Blanche said that when he wanted to make

689
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: sure he had to get out of Joie.

690
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: Freaking we had a couple of them do that. So

691
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: let's jump forward April sixth, Man, I got.

692
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Two three paintings here at headquarters just in case.

693
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: Well, you never got to have bargaining chips the way

694
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: we talk around here, right. April sixth, twenty twenty one,

695
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: police arrested a man named Neil's Manara Meils. Yeah, Neil's Manara.

696
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: He was a fifty eight year old male from the

697
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: small town of Barn. Yeah, it's got a bunch of

698
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: a's up them. They pinched it that day. They pinched

699
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: him due to DNA evidence collected at both the Lear

700
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: Dam and Lauren museums. So the van go and the

701
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: laughing boys behind like hair, you shall see, Yes, I'll

702
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: tell you it's touch DNA.

703
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: Touch DNA fingerprints and stuff like that. Oils of the humans.

704
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: And nut oil, nut oil. Boogers. Dude, you left your

705
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: boogers all over the places sleep from the corner of

706
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: his eyes, little crusty's do you know in the in

707
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: the papers, most of the papers you call him Neil's

708
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: m And because there are Dutch laws, Dutch privacy laws where.

709
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: They couldn't bunch of that forgotten.

710
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 2: And I found a blog that gave his name.

711
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 3: Well, you're the special investigator, I expect.

712
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of myself. So Minera. His last name

713
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: is Minera. Everybody, Hello, yeah, Minera, I just love spilling

714
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 2: the beans Dutch lawsby damned yeah. I don't give a

715
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: fig about him.

716
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Zaren Mineria Spanish.

717
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: I steal their goal. Minera had been charged. It's like Panera,

718
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: but men, it's like a man's Panera. Monera had been charged,

719
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: not a lady Panera. That's Lanera. Monera had been charged.

720
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: Calm down in a two thousand and nine theft of

721
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 2: six paintings of landscapes that were from like the seventeenth

722
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: and nineteenth century for those who don't know, that is

723
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 2: the seventeenth and nineteenth and it's getting really warm and

724
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: getting woozy in the two. In that two thousand and

725
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: nine case, Dutch police found traces of his DNA on

726
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: a crowbar and bolt cutters everywhere.

727
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: He should stop sleeping with this crime.

728
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: He said. He may have touched them, but they were tools.

729
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: They could have been used by others as well.

730
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: True, quitted really good point.

731
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: I quitted really to feel.

732
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that was enough for like reasonable time twenty twelve.

733
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: You know, that's when the world was going to end

734
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: thanks to the my encolendar didn't And part of that

735
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: is because he was convicted.

736
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: Prove it didn't know it.

737
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: We're just in the simulation right now. So Minera man

738
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: Panera he was. He was convicted of stealing a seventeenth

739
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: century gilded silver monstrance from a museum in Guda in

740
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: twenty twelve.

741
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: Okay, remind me what's a monstrance, mons, It sounds like

742
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: an amazing word.

743
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: It's like an entrance for monsters. A monstrans is that

744
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: sort of cross looking thing like that you put the

745
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: eucharistic the host in and is carried up to the

746
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: altar demonstration.

747
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: The Latin root monstrance is the showing exactly, showing exactly

748
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: all right, and it is spooky, yes, zombie body his body.

749
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: Carry it up and you know, there you go, and

750
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: it's like in a little like like those eggs with

751
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 2: a pantyhose in them, but the tiny one, or like

752
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: when you get the vending machine like a toy and

753
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: it's a little tiny it's like that in the middle

754
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: across you take it out. Christ Okay, So this one

755
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: was in the Lord then where we're going.

756
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: Hell, we say all the time, what are we going

757
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: to do?

758
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: I am an exemptly Catholic youth. This one was made

759
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: in sixteen sixty two and it was on loan from

760
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 2: the Parish of Saint Anthony of Padua. One uh. To

761
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: get into that museum, dude used explosives to blow up

762
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: the front door of the place. Shrapnel from that explosion

763
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: damaged other paintings. It's just like, I don't care. It's

764
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: like I'm Spanish with the silver. So then he smashed

765
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: the display case to smithereens if he did the van

766
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: go years later, like maybe he learned his lesson and

767
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: decided to take it down and not.

768
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, sledgehammers coming in too hot.

769
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Dutch police had another case at the time

770
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: in which someone blew up an atm and so they

771
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: were able to connect this to Minera too much. That

772
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 2: got them a warrant for a wiretap on his phone,

773
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: and then they heard him talking about the heists bat breaking.

774
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: He's like, They're like, what are you snorting? He's like, oh,

775
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: a pig. Now I don't know. So then they hear

776
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 2: him talking about it, and it wasn't just that made

777
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: no sense. So it wasn't just ATMs getting the old

778
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: Sea Ford treatment. It wasn't just ATMs getting the old

779
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Sea Ford treatment. There had been explosions and smash and

780
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 2: grabs at a bunch of jewelry stores and they caught

781
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: Minera talking about those two on the phone. Baby read hello.

782
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: They arrested him.

783
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: You're coming with us?

784
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? He had he had guns, Ammo, drugs, the money.

785
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 3: Oh I thought you were just listing magazine. He had

786
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: lawyer's guns and guns and a magazine. He had drugs, magazine, had.

787
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: Garden and gun. He was tried and convicted and he

788
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: was sentenced to six years in prison for that one.

789
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: Back to Van Goull and the Hall's thefts, so police

790
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: found Minera's DNA at the Van go frame and at

791
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: this point on one of the orange straps used in

792
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: the Hall's heist. So when he was arrested for that.

793
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: Police also found guns, ammo, cash, and quote more than

794
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: ten thousand ecstasy pills at his house. He's moving the market,

795
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: totally going there. The paintings weren't there though, That's what

796
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: wasn't there, so he said he didn't have anything to

797
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: do with it, not a lick. He said that the

798
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: orange straps were that he like, yeah, my DNA's on them.

799
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm a mechanic at an auto garage.

800
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: A lot of orange straps were the Dutch. Yeah, that's

801
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 3: our color, bro, Oh.

802
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: My god, it totally is us. Sometimes he used orange

803
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: straps like the one found at the scene to pick

804
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: up car parts.

805
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 3: Yes, he's just la. He's a mechanic in the Netherlands.

806
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: His orange straps, I know.

807
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 2: And then he said sometimes the straps get left behind,

808
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: like sometimes I forget things, you know, I'm a forgetful guy.

809
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 2: His lawyer said, guess what. He is also taller than

810
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: the guy in the footage by estimate.

811
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how do they figure that one?

812
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, and the guy in the and the guy in

813
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: the CCTV footage does not look short, so like, how

814
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 2: tall is dude?

815
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

816
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, And then the lawyer's like, ps, my client right handed,

817
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: unlike the guy in the van go footage. Looks like

818
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 2: maybe he's left handed. He's swinging left, maybe he's ambidextrous.

819
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: They were unable to identify the partner that they were

820
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: sure he had in all this. September twenty twenty one,

821
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: Minera Man Panera. He was found guilty and sentenced to

822
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,959
Speaker 2: eight years in prison and given a fine of nine

823
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: million euros quote for part of the sixteen million euros

824
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: halls painting that was not covered by insurance. Yeah, and

825
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: that was the maximum sentence possible that he got. He

826
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: was also convicted for the gun and drug charges.

827
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: Did they also do the America does? Or those are

828
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 3: exceptions that you get extra charges?

829
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, they put them on top and in its ruling,

830
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: the three judge panel wrote that the paintings quote are

831
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: important for present and future generations. People have enjoyed them

832
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: for hundreds of years. With the thefts, the man has

833
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: not only deprived the museums of an enormous amount, but

834
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 2: also society and the international public. They can no longer

835
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: view and enjoy the paintings. So he appealed to sentence.

836
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: It was upheld, and off he goes to the clink

837
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: and as of sentencing, both the paintings are unaccounted for.

838
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: They they're still missing, so they're.

839
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: Still in the wind and they still hold their value

840
00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: if they're were found.

841
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably going up.

842
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: I bet.

843
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous takeaways there?

844
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna go check my paintings collection and

845
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: see if maybe I have one over there. I don't

846
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: know what I have anymore. I just I've been collecting

847
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: on them.

848
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: I've got three drunken boys, one drunken boy.

849
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 3: But not my retirement account. Am I get out a

850
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: jail free card account or the same account and they're

851
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: looking good. Honestly, I don't think I had that one.

852
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: But anyway, my ridiculous takeaway on this one is what

853
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: are these Dutch cops doing with their time? It doesn't

854
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: seem like they don't have gun crimes, right like you

855
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: like America, you're not to come to solve gun crime, right.

856
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: So then they don't have a lot of cars, so

857
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: you're not dealing with all the car related crimes and

858
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: accidents are going out like, oh I got to report

859
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: on like another vehicle accident, right, So what are they

860
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: doing with their crime besides like solving missing wooden clocks.

861
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: So like they don't have the time to go find

862
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 3: these companies. Took them a little while to get there.

863
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: By the time the cops responded, I'm like, they're busy

864
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: with Dutch crimes.

865
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay, well so what are the Dutch crime so many

866
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: like glittering. Yeah, it's a very pa Whatever they're doing

867
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: is doing they're doing it better than we are, It's

868
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

869
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oiled machine.

870
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not questioning them, but the worst thing they

871
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 3: can do is not respond to art crime fast enough.

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