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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 3: Hunter Biden nothing.

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Speaker 2: After nearly four years of the FBI having a laptop

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Speaker 2: that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden was guilty of dozens of felonies, that he should

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Speaker 2: be going to prison for years and years, your United

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Speaker 2: States taxpayer funded Department of Justice has decided effectively that

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden will admit to some low level offenses and

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Speaker 2: receive no punishment, which, to be fair, has been the

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Speaker 2: prediction of one Buck Sexton for some period of time.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, Buck, I thought that

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Speaker 2: there would be and this is me speaking as a lawyer,

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Speaker 2: I thought that it would be so far beyond the

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Speaker 2: pale for them to throw the book at Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: and effectively allow Hunter Biden to ride off into the

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Speaker 2: sunset with no consequences for his dozens of felonies which

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Speaker 2: the FBI has been in possession of since December of

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, been investigating him since two thousand and eighteen.

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Speaker 3: I believe.

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Speaker 2: We do not have a justice department in this country.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just my basic takeaway. And I

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Speaker 2: hate to say this because I am a licensed attorney

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Speaker 2: in multiple jurisdictions in the United States, and I went

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Speaker 2: to law school and I passed two different bars, and

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Speaker 2: I consider the law to be the ultimate foundation that

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Speaker 2: undergirds everything that occurs in this country, and for us

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Speaker 2: to have reached a situation where affected the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice is the attack dog of the Democrat Party. If

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Speaker 2: you are a Republican and you do anything remotely a

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Speaker 2: foul of the law, they will try to lock you

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Speaker 2: up for the rest of your life. There are grandmas

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Speaker 2: who walked into the Capitol on January sixth and engaged

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Speaker 2: in entirely non violent behavior there that are going to

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Speaker 2: be serving substantial prison sentences, while Hunter Biden, who was

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Speaker 2: committed dozens of felonies, easily determined by the evidence on

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Speaker 2: his own laptop, is going to receive no consequential punishments

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Speaker 2: at all. And I think the only solution here, Buck

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Speaker 2: is this makes the twenty twenty four elects.

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Speaker 3: I don't even care who the nominee is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I understand a lot of you out there fired

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Speaker 2: up your Trump people. You're destantus people you like, whoever

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Speaker 2: you like, I don't really care if you care about

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Speaker 2: justice in America at all. Republicans have to win the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four presidential election, and we have to fundamentally

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Speaker 2: dismantle all leadership at the FBI and the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice and kick those people to the curb and remake

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Speaker 2: these entire organizations because we have a broken justice system

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Speaker 2: in this country.

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Speaker 4: This is as big a slap in the face as

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Speaker 4: I thought was coming the whole time. There was a

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Speaker 4: part of me a few times, Claire I was like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're gonna do this, but wow,

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Speaker 4: is it just gonna be undermining the justice And they

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Speaker 4: did it, and let's just what do they do? Hunter

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Speaker 4: Biden is facing I'm sorry, is pleading to there's already

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Speaker 4: an agreement with his lawyers to misdemeanor failure to file taxes, okay,

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Speaker 4: and on the gun charge. And just remember the gun

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Speaker 4: charge has to do with being a crack user, a

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Speaker 4: illegal drug abuser, and filling out the form which I've

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Speaker 4: done whenever I go to buy a firearm that says

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Speaker 4: you are not addicted to an illegal controlled substance. So

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Speaker 4: that is effectively lying on a federal gun form. That

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Speaker 4: is a felony. It is a felony. And what did

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Speaker 4: they do with that one? A deferred prosecution agreement. I

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Speaker 4: think I even said at some point months, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna do a deferred clay. This is

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Speaker 4: the most sweetheart deal imaginable. This is a it's not

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Speaker 4: even a slap on the wrist. This is Remember what

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Speaker 4: they did with Jesse Smollette and the prosecutor, Kim Fox. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and everybody was just a gas because Smollette was a

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Speaker 4: huge liar. The whole thing was preposterous.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 4: Didn't Kamala believe him? Kamala Harris believed Jesse Smollett right away,

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Speaker 4: just for there are others too, But I always remember

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Speaker 4: Kamala was a big Jesse Smollette defender. And what Kim Fox,

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Speaker 4: the prosecutor in Chicago did wasn't just have her have

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Speaker 4: her team, have her prosecution shut down the case. You remember,

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Speaker 4: they tried to seal the case. Yeah, so that it

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Speaker 4: And everyone said, hold I mean, hold on, a second,

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Speaker 4: that's just too grotesque. This is right up against that line.

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Speaker 4: This is Hunter Biden is the is the president's son.

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Speaker 4: He's running for reelection, he's a Democrat, and the machine

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Speaker 4: is just gonna say, yeah, of course it's corrupt. What

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Speaker 4: are you gonna do about it? To your point, all

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Speaker 4: we can do is win. All the other talk about

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Speaker 4: oh but we're so upset and everything else, you don't

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Speaker 4: take power from these people.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna keep doing it. All that matters is winning.

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Speaker 2: And I understand some of you are out there like, oh,

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Speaker 2: we've got to win with this person as president, or

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Speaker 2: we've got to win with this I don't care. I

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Speaker 2: genuinely do not care who the nominee is. All I

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Speaker 2: want to do is win, right. This is like if

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Speaker 2: you desperately care about who the starting quarterback is in

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I want to win the super Bowl so bad. Now

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Speaker 2: we can have a dispute, and that's certainly what the

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Speaker 2: Republican primary election is about who the most likely to win.

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Speaker 2: But I think so much of the fighting that's going

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Speaker 2: on inside of the Republican Party, frankly, is stupid. Support

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Speaker 2: whoever you want. I don't care. This is genuinely evil

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, when it comes to the justice system

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Speaker 2: say two tiers of justice is evil because it destroys

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Speaker 2: all legitimacy of any prosecution in this country. And that

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Speaker 2: is where I think we are. I have zero trust

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Speaker 2: in our Department of Justice. I have zero trust in

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Speaker 2: our FBI. Let me say this, Buck, I know there

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Speaker 2: are good and reasonable people who work at both the

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Speaker 2: And you know this, Buck, because you went into an agency.

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Speaker 2: Many of these guys in the FBI. They went to

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Speaker 2: go try to catch bad guys. But they have allowed

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Speaker 2: their agency to be so overtaken by political based considerations

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Speaker 2: that I don't know how anyone in America with a

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Speaker 2: And I hate to say that as a lawyer. I

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Speaker 2: United States Justice Department is completely broken. You cannot trust

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Speaker 2: anything that they do. I would tell every single one

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Speaker 2: of you if the FBI showed up knocking on your

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Speaker 2: that if the FBI showed up knocking at my door, Buck,

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Speaker 2: I would say, good to see you come back.

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Speaker 3: With a warrant.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting an attorney. I'm not saying a word to

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Speaker 2: you because I don't trust any of your leaders. And

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Speaker 2: I hate, I hate beyond measure that I could ever

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Speaker 2: be here, Buck.

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Speaker 3: But it's where I am.

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Speaker 4: I feel like this whole time, Clay, when you were

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Speaker 4: saying they're going to try to strike a balance, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have to come down so they can go

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Speaker 4: down on Trump and disappointed. I think that it was

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Speaker 4: at some level, you know, it's like when you're hoping

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Speaker 4: team was the sense of a federal justice department that

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Speaker 4: was worthy of the name. And I think that what

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Speaker 4: this shows us obviously they didn't do that right. They

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Speaker 4: for Hunter after bringing the charges against Trump, and I believe,

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Speaker 4: we believe there are more charges against Trump from the

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Speaker 4: DOJ that are likely, not a guarantee, but likely, And

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Speaker 4: so now they've painted them themselves into a corner in

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Speaker 4: a sense, their position now has to be well, now

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Speaker 4: they have to go all the way against Trump. They're

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Speaker 4: going to try to lock him up. This is what

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Speaker 4: you see. There's no sense of, hey, the Republic, we

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Speaker 4: don't want to tear the country apart. They have created

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Speaker 4: this narrative where they're the good guys. Whatever they have

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Speaker 4: Trump and trump Ism. If that means cutting sweetheart deals

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Speaker 4: for Hunter, fine, If that means you know, throwing Grandmas

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Speaker 4: from January sixth in prison for months for non violent crimes, fine,

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Speaker 4: they are hell bent on this. And you know, as

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Speaker 4: we're seeing here Jack Smith, the prosecutor who brought the

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Speaker 4: charges against Trump in South Florida, you know, he was

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Speaker 4: I've talked about before. Also John Edwards, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: the Democrat party. They didn't care anymore. Right, his veneer

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Speaker 4: of protection melted away. Bob McDonald. Clear they threatened to

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Speaker 4: send his wife to federal prison because he was given

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Speaker 4: bringing these charges against Trump.

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Speaker 3: You see what's going on here, folks. The weaponization is real.

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Speaker 2: I'd like to hear from other lawyers eight hundred two

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Speaker 3: And let me just build on it a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Buck, The entire basis of any judicial system is precedent.

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Speaker 2: That is everything in the United States, every case relies

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Speaker 2: upon following precedent set by the case before it, and

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Speaker 2: ample evidence for why a case doesn't fit. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's this idea out there you'll see where people say,

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Speaker 2: anytime you point out the inconsistencies, oh well, that's what

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Speaker 3: How dare you?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the entire foundation of American criminals and common

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Speaker 2: law justice. It is we are going to try to

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Speaker 2: going to be treated without favor. Now, there have always

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Speaker 2: been flaws in our justice system, Buck, certainly, but most

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Speaker 2: of the time those flaws are if you have the

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Speaker 2: If you owned a basketball team and you could hire

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Speaker 2: because all legal acumen is not created equally.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: But when you have something this two tiered system of justice,

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Speaker 2: the criminal justice system, can look at it and say

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Speaker 2: this is wrong, this is broken. Frankly, you don't have

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Speaker 2: this is where I say I have never been in

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Speaker 2: I've never been more disgusted with the judicial system in

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Speaker 4: You start to see that what would be the next

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Speaker 2: It's dirty. Yeah, it's that's one hundred percent right. It's

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Speaker 1: From the front lines of Freedom and Truth, Clay Travis

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We are

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Speaker 2: joined now by Miranda Devine, who should get all the

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Speaker 2: politrs that the Washington Post and The New York Times

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Speaker 2: got for untruthful stories as more evidence as if we

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Speaker 2: New York Post in October of twenty twenty. She has

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Speaker 2: told us everything about this case. We've been discussing it

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Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't surprised. We've been waiting for this to happen,

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Speaker 6: he's already testified before the before Congress and the private testimony,

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Speaker 4: It's buck you know, I see this, and I think, well,

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Speaker 4: first of all, I think when you've been with us before,

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Speaker 3: But is it is it over?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 4: I mean meaning are they going to try to now

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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean you're already seeing that

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Speaker 6: Other people managed to do plea deals because theyhead drug problems,

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Speaker 6: a completely different way of handling Hunter Biden. But even so,

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Speaker 6: we're seeing the massaging of the narrative by those friendly outlets,

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Speaker 6: and that's what they're saying, and they're saying that pool Hunter,

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Speaker 6: has absolutely nothing to do with Joe Biden. No mention

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Speaker 6: I think it's about the cover up by the FBI

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Speaker 6: I guess they cover up of Joe Biden's involvement in

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Speaker 2: Okay, I bet you're really pre I'm fired up as

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Speaker 2: I would say, well this. You know, look, super rich

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Speaker 2: That's different though than what we're getting. We're getting them

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Speaker 3: I believe crimes.

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Speaker 2: Far more if you look at that laptop, consequential crimes

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Speaker 2: off with a sweetheart deal. How broken is the justice

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Speaker 6: Well, they are furious. These the line agents are disgusted

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Speaker 6: reputational damage that has been done to their bureau in

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Speaker 6: He has just been absolutely world class at his job

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Speaker 6: And what happens nothing. He then blows the whistle, he

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Speaker 6: And you know, initially when they were looking at this case,

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Speaker 6: looking at Pharaoh violations, which remember, have put members of

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Speaker 6: It's just as well that Merrick Garland is in Stockholm

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Speaker 6: you know, this just is a political fix, because otherwise

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Speaker 6: to Hunter. And so this saves Joe Biden the embarrassment,

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Miranda Devine of the New York Post or book,

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Speaker 4: all of this.

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Speaker 3: Now we see some.

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Speaker 4: Degree of well, the sweetheart deal resolution to this, not

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Speaker 3: Miranda, what do you think comes next?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess there's a part of me that

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Speaker 4: But if you get a Republican president and a willingness

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Speaker 4: find out what ten percent for the big Guy really means?

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Speaker 4: That's fundamentally for me, the question that I'm grappling with today.

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Speaker 6: Yes, well, I mean interesting that the Grand Juri and

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Speaker 6: in US Attorney David Weiss's statement on this in which

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Speaker 6: he says that the investigation is still ongoing. But I

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Speaker 6: think you can take that in a cynical sense, which

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Speaker 6: is not that they are going to try to pursue

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Speaker 6: any of those matters that are just mentioned, particularly to

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Speaker 6: do with Joe Biden, but simply saying that the investigation

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Speaker 6: is ongoing is another way of stonewalling James Comber and

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Speaker 6: Chuck Grasley and Jim Jordan and any other of the

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Speaker 6: Republicans who are trying to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 6: this influence peddling operation. Particularly because now Joe Biden is

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Speaker 6: the president and all those millions of dollars that went

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Speaker 6: to his family, you have to ask what's he compromised

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Speaker 6: in the eyes of China or Russia or Ukraine. Ukraine

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Speaker 6: where we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars to continue

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Speaker 6: this war. So there's a lot at stake from a

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Speaker 6: national security viewpoint. We just saw Anthony Blincoln, the Secretary

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Speaker 6: of State, go to China and kowtow in a humiliating

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Speaker 6: way before President g make all sorts of concessions. How

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Speaker 6: much of that is kind of real politic and how

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Speaker 6: much of it is a factor of this influenced peddling

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Speaker 6: scheme which in which China paid tens of millions of

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Speaker 6: dollars to the Biden family, not just Joe Biden's son Hunter,

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Speaker 6: but his brother Jim Biden as well. And we know

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Speaker 6: that Joe Biden was involved in that scheme because he

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Speaker 6: met with at least a dozen of Hunter Biden's business partners,

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Speaker 6: including in Beijing.

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Speaker 3: Miranda.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, we appreciate you making the time today. One,

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Speaker 2: do you feel any vindication because for a lot of people, oh,

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden didn't do anything. Joe Biden's been saying his

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Speaker 2: son is above reproach. Well, now he's pled guilty on

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Speaker 2: some level, even if it is a sweetheart deal to

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Speaker 2: three different charges. Second, what does this do for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. There is some suggestion out there that, oh,

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Speaker 2: now this is a sweetheart deal because Biden's not going

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Speaker 2: to run. Do you buy into any of that or

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Speaker 2: do you think this makes Biden more likely to run?

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Speaker 6: On the latter, I don't think it has any impact

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Speaker 6: one way or the other but on whether he runs.

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Speaker 6: But I think it does just cement the view that

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Speaker 6: is becoming an increasing opinion in the public, in the

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Speaker 6: voter's mind, that there is this unstiredule system of justice,

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Speaker 6: one for you know, the Biden family and their Democratic allies,

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Speaker 6: and another for Donald Trump and his allies. And look,

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Speaker 6: as far as you're right, the fact that Hunter Biden

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Speaker 6: has pled guilty to at least something shows that what

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Speaker 6: the President's you know, my son did nothing wrong defense.

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Speaker 6: It was just a joke, I mean so much for that.

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Speaker 6: It was improper of Joe Biden to make those comments,

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Speaker 6: because of course he's Merrick Garland's boss, and Merrick Garland

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Speaker 6: is David Weiss's boss, so it was kind of clear

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Speaker 6: the way this was going to go. But it's still

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Speaker 6: just very disappointing that we have a Department of Justice

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Speaker 6: that's so compromised.

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Speaker 2: No doubt, Miranda Devine deserves all the Pulitzers. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for all the work, Thank you for making the time today.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: She really does deserve all the Pulitzers for what she

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Speaker 3: did at the New York Definitely, definitely a few. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I don't know if anyone I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to get all of the Pulitzers at the New

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Speaker 2: York Times and the Washington Post in Russia collusion.

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Speaker 3: I want those given, all.

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Speaker 4: Of those because I was like, you know, I don't

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Speaker 4: know if you can get like all the gold medals,

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Speaker 4: you can only get the ones in the races I want.

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Speaker 2: I want him all given that. They should have to

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Speaker 2: return those. And we don't even let people keep the

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy. If they took, you know, their family got

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Speaker 2: extra added benefits. And suddenly the Washington Post and the

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Speaker 4: So let's let's get into the Hunter Biden news today.

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Speaker 4: We're talking to Miranda Devine about it before and look,

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Speaker 4: I had called for many months Bill on the show.

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Speaker 4: I said that they're going to make it disappear with

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Speaker 4: the ultimate sweetheart deal and then they'll just go forward

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Speaker 4: the Trump prosecution. Clay is kind of just flabbergasted with

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Speaker 4: outrage at the destruction of any sense of the criminal

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Speaker 4: justice system being fair. What do you see happening here,

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Speaker 4: both on the on the legal side and then also

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Speaker 4: just in the broader political sense with the Hunter stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's no question that the Justice Department and the

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Speaker 5: federal government in general is corrupt under President Biden. So

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Speaker 5: if Americans don't accept that, you're not living in the

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Speaker 5: real world. We are in a corrupt time as far

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Speaker 5: as the federal government is concerned. So this comes as

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Speaker 5: no surprise. And tonight on my broadcast the No Spin News,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to run a SoundBite that I said on

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Speaker 5: May fourth that predicted exactly that this would happen. But

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Speaker 5: it's not a bad thing because, number one, it heightens

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Speaker 5: awareness for the fifty percent of Americans that do not

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Speaker 5: pay attention to the news cycle. Half of the voters

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Speaker 5: are totally clue, so what goes on day to day

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Speaker 5: in this country. This will get through to them and

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Speaker 5: they won't understand what happened or anything like that. But

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Speaker 5: they will know that there is a crack in the machine.

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Speaker 5: Number two. This does not prevent future charges against Hunter

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Speaker 5: Biden for crimes unrelated to his tax returns or his

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Speaker 5: gun purchase. So, for example, there's an active investigation underway

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Speaker 5: right now that says a foreign company, Barisma out of Ukraine,

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Speaker 5: opened an account for Hunter Biden in a corrupt bank

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Speaker 5: in the island nation of Malta in the Mediterranean Sea. Now,

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Speaker 5: subsequently that bank was shut down for corruption charges. So

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Speaker 5: say Hunter Biden violated some kind of American law in

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Speaker 5: operating with this bank in a fraudulent manner, he could

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Speaker 5: be charged again. And believe me when I tell you,

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Speaker 5: the Republicans heading the Oversight and Judiciary committees are going

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Speaker 5: full bore to link the Biden family with Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: in the reception of more than ten million dollars bill.

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Speaker 2: You said you don't think Hunter Biden's gonna run. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I hope, I hope he doesn't think. Yeah, well we

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Speaker 2: agree on that one. You said you don't think Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden is gonna run. One of the questions that people

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Speaker 2: are debating and discussing, certainly in the wake of this

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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal for Hunter is, how, if at all, does

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Speaker 2: this impact Joe Biden's political future as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: running again. Do you think these are connected in any way?

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Speaker 2: Do you think this sweetheart deal could be connected to

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Speaker 2: Biden not running? How would you assess or do you

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Speaker 2: see these as two not related situations.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that the Hunter Biden guilty plea on

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Speaker 5: these charges is going to affect President Biden's question for reelection.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that, just as I don't believe that

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Speaker 5: the prosecutions against Donald Trump are going to affect his

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Speaker 5: status inside the Republican Party. Both parties are going to

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Speaker 5: stay with their guys. I say that Biden isn't going

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Speaker 5: to run again because I don't think physically and mentally

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Speaker 5: come November of this year that he's going to be

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Speaker 5: capable of that that he's you know, he's going downhill

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Speaker 5: so fast. Did you hear him say he's going to

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Speaker 5: build a railroad across the Pacific and into the Indie Ocean.

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Speaker 5: I think you guys mentioned that.

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Speaker 3: Right, yep, yep.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if he he's saying things like that, that

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Speaker 5: we're going to have a chew Chew go from San

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Speaker 5: Francisco to the Maldives. I mean, you're sitting there and

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Speaker 5: you're going, this is impossible. Nobody could say anything like that.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't know what he's saying, and that will become

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Speaker 5: more and more apparent, even though obviously the administration is

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Speaker 5: trying to hide him. So it's going to to a point.

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Speaker 5: And one of the indicators was that Gavin Newsom did

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Speaker 5: an interview with Sean Hannity. Yeah, I saw that right.

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Speaker 5: In a million years, Gavin Newsom would not have done

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Speaker 5: an interview like that unless he believes he's got some

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Speaker 5: kind of shot to step into this presidential race. So

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Speaker 5: these small indicators tell me, and I know this for

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Speaker 5: a fact, that the Democratic Party doesn't want Joe Biden

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Speaker 5: to run again, but they can't go to Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 5: She's a disaster. So they're kind of just going day

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Speaker 5: by day, but are committed Democrats and liberals. Is going

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Speaker 5: to not vote for Joe Biden because of Hunter Biden?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then the machine is very powerful.

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Speaker 4: If we're speaking of Bill O'Reilly for joining us in

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Speaker 4: progress here killing the legends, the lethal danger of celebrity

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Speaker 4: his latest book of eighteen bestsellers out there, Bill, did

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Speaker 4: you see we haven't played it yet for this audience

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Speaker 4: some of the clips of it. But I just wanted

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Speaker 4: your overall take after the Brett Bear Trump interview that

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Speaker 4: aired last night, where there were some there were some

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Speaker 4: pretty contentious moments. I don't think Brett was being contentious,

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Speaker 4: but just the nature of the questions and response seemed

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Speaker 4: to be a little tense in some points.

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Speaker 3: How did you view it? Just overall takeaway?

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Speaker 5: Well, I watched the interview, and Donald Trump is an

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Speaker 5: extremely difficult man to chat with. I've done more interviews

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Speaker 5: with Trump than any human being alive. I did the

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Speaker 5: first interview when he announced for president back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 5: the escalator thing. I did the Super Bowl interview with him.

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Speaker 5: I know him inside and out. My secret was I

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Speaker 5: would tell him before the interview, if my hand goes up,

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Speaker 5: if you see my finger go up, that means I

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Speaker 5: want to jump in. I don't want to interrupt you

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Speaker 5: and be rude. But when you see my finger, wrap

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Speaker 5: it okay. And I said the same thing in President

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Speaker 5: Obama when I interviewed him three times, because Obama can

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Speaker 5: do the same thing to Trump, could they can do

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Speaker 5: five minutes on your socks? Okay, they fill a buster

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Speaker 5: So Barr new knows that any news up against it.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't disrespectful. I thought the most interesting moment was

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Speaker 5: he took a minute to run down all the people

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Speaker 5: that worked in the Trump administration will have turned on

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump?

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Speaker 3: Bill?

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Speaker 4: Can I put my finger up because we actually have

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Speaker 4: do you mind if we have?

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Speaker 1: That?

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Speaker 4: Will play after the audience that he keep going play

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Speaker 4: that for everybody listening. It is cut number eight.

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Speaker 7: Your Vice President Mike pass is running against you. You're

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Speaker 7: Ambassador of the United Nations. Nikki Haley, she's running against you.

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Speaker 7: Your former Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo said he's not

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Speaker 7: supporting you. You mentioned National Security Advisor John Bolten, he's

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Speaker 7: not supporting you either. You mentioned Attorney General. Bill Barr

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Speaker 7: says you shouldn't be president again. Calls you the consummate

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Speaker 7: narcissist and troubled man you recently called and bar a

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Speaker 7: gutlass pig. Your second Defense secretary is not supporting you,

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Speaker 7: called you irresponsible. This week, you and your White House

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Speaker 7: called your White House Chief of Staff John Kelly, weak

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Speaker 7: and ineffective, and born with a very small brain. You

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Speaker 7: called your acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

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Speaker 7: a born loser. You called your first Secretary of State

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Speaker 7: Rex Tillerson dumb as a rock, and your first Defense

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Speaker 7: Secretary James mattis the world's most overrated general. You called

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Speaker 7: your White House Press secretary kath Andy Milk toast, and

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Speaker 7: multiple times you've referred to your Transportation Secretary Elaine Shao

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Speaker 7: as Mitch McConnell's China loving wife. So why did you

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Speaker 7: hire all of them in the first place?

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Speaker 3: Bill, what do you think?

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Speaker 5: Well? I thought it was relevant, and Trump did not

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Speaker 5: answer the question. And you can't force people to answer questions.

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Speaker 5: And in some of the audience, all right, what am

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Speaker 5: I supposed to do? Or britt Berry hit him over

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Speaker 5: the head with a mallet. He's okay, He's gonna answer

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Speaker 5: what he wants. What Trump should have answered and shoul

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Speaker 5: have said, is the truth that Donald Trump is a

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Speaker 5: guy who takes everything personally. Everything. If you screw up,

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Speaker 5: he takes it personally. And then if you say bad

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Speaker 5: things about him, it escalates. He says bad things about you.

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Speaker 5: It's a merry go round of personal invective. That's Trump's style. Okay.

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Speaker 5: Everyone who worked for him knows it. Everyone who's considering

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Speaker 5: working for him should know it. He's not an easy guy.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't have any more significance than that. Do Maga

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Speaker 5: people care that all of these former Trump employees don't

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Speaker 5: like him? Now, No, they don't, because they believe that

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Speaker 5: Trump did a good job as president. But Bear's job

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Speaker 5: is to try to get information. I thought it was

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Speaker 5: a little windy. I would have cut it down, and

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Speaker 5: the thing ran one ten minute ten I would have

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Speaker 5: cut it down to about forty and just taken the highlights.

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Speaker 5: You didn't need Rex Tillison, the Rex, the Wonder Dog.

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Speaker 5: It didn't need all that. But it needed to be asked.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know if they're expected an answer. I

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Speaker 5: certainly did not.

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Speaker 2: Bill, what's the impact of all the charges? I know

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Speaker 2: you wrote about it at Bill O'Reilly dot com. All

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Speaker 2: of these counts South Florida. We'll talk about the timing.

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Speaker 2: Eileen Cannon, the judge there, has started to set her

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Speaker 2: own calendar for how this is all going to play out.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Trump is ultimately going to be the

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Speaker 2: Republican nominee? You don't think that Biden is going to

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Speaker 2: be there. What does this race ultimately look like when

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Speaker 2: we're talking about June of next year, right as we've

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Speaker 2: already got the nominee set, where do you think we're headed?

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's an excellent question, and I wish I could

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Speaker 5: answer it, but I cannot. I'm basing my Biden analysis

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Speaker 5: on his physical and mental deterioration, which is not going

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Speaker 5: to get any better. Trump is a different cat. Dennis

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Speaker 5: Miller might say he can survive all of these things

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Speaker 5: because the core of his support, which is far more

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Speaker 5: than any other Republican running for the presidency right now,

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Speaker 5: the core people believe the fix is in. He's inoculated

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Speaker 5: to this stuff. That being said, he's going to have

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Speaker 5: to sit for these charges, but he doesn't even have

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Speaker 5: a law team in place. This can't possibly start in August.

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Speaker 5: It'll be pushed back, pushback. They're going to challenge the

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Speaker 5: Presidential Records Act in court, they're going to challenge the

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Speaker 5: Espionage Act. They're going to do all of this stuff.

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Speaker 5: So this time next year, I don't even think those

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Speaker 5: proceedings are going to be underway. I don't even think

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Speaker 5: that it will that's how complicated this thing is. But

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Speaker 5: in the end, I believe he's going to have to

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Speaker 5: do it Hunter Biden did. He's gonna have to play

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Speaker 5: out through a couple of very lesser charges because he

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Speaker 5: did not hand over to the National Archives national security

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Speaker 5: documents that were requested. That is the fact, And it

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter if the other people didn't do it, that

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter. Okay, he didn't hand them over, So a

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Speaker 5: jury is going to say, well, you have to hand

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Speaker 5: them over. That's federal law. So and I can't imagine

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Speaker 5: him sitting there in a trial in that courtroom in Miami.

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Speaker 5: I just can't picture that. So the you know, if

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Speaker 5: you are a person like me who analyzes from fact

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Speaker 5: based and what has happened in the past, if it

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Speaker 5: comes to that and he loses all his court challenges,

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Speaker 5: I think he'll pleae down.

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Speaker 4: Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity. Go check

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Speaker 4: out that book if you haven't already gotten your copy,

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Speaker 4: and look at Bill's analysis and watch a show at

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Speaker 4: Bill O'Reilly dot com.

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Speaker 3: Bill always appreciate you stopping by.

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Speaker 5: Okay, guys, I sent you Killing the Witches, which is

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Speaker 5: my next one coming up September twenty sixth I hope.

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Speaker 2: You got it just in time for by the way,

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Speaker 2: good time, legitimately legit I did a whole podcast on

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Speaker 2: the Real Dracula Bill, so your real history of the Witches.

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Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by this. I will read this and we

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Speaker 4: will have you on to talk about it.

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Speaker 5: We sent it to both of you. Vlad tepis the

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Speaker 5: real Dracula.

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Speaker 3: That's right there, we go.

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Speaker 5: Don't read Killing the Witches before you go on the air,

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Speaker 5: because you're going to be very frightened.

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Speaker 4: Well that's that's why I have Clay here to make

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Speaker 4: sure I don't get scared. Thanks, thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: All right, thanks for having me in.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of Truth.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Let's dive right into it. We appreciate all of you

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Speaker 2: hanging out with us. Go listen on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: Maybe your vacations are starting soon. I've had a fabulous

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Speaker 2: time up here in New York. I am in onionsa

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Speaker 2: New York today. I've been around Cooperstown with this Little

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Speaker 2: League tournament. Fabulous hospitality up here. Buck, I will be

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Speaker 2: out tomorrow and you'll have the show solo, and then

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Speaker 2: we will be I'll be in New York City Thursday Friday.

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Speaker 2: We'll be in the New York City studio together. On Friday,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to a Yankees game with some twelve year

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Speaker 2: old kids, my son among them. So that's what's going

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday for me. But this morning wake up news

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Speaker 2: breaks about Hunter Biden. Phone immediately explodes Hunter Biden being

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Speaker 2: given a sweetheart deal at the same time that they

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Speaker 2: are throwing the book at Donald Trump. It is the

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Speaker 2: definition of a two tiered legal system, a banana Republic. Indeed,

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Speaker 2: as a lawyer, I'm disgusted by this because those of

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Speaker 2: you listen to this show for a long time. You know,

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Speaker 2: Buck got this one right. Buck said, I don't believe

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Speaker 2: they I think they'll give him deferred prosecution.

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Speaker 3: You nailed it. I did not believe that Merrick.

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Speaker 2: Garland would be willing to charge Donald Trump with the

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Speaker 2: full extent of the law, and despite a bevy dozens

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Speaker 2: of felonies on the Hunter Biden laptop that the FBI

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Speaker 2: was in possession of that, they would be willing to

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Speaker 2: give him this sweetheart deal. And so I'll start with this, Buck.

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Speaker 2: I know we have a lot of Congress people that

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Speaker 2: listen to this show, a lot of their staffs. I

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Speaker 2: think that the Republicans in the House, even though it

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Speaker 2: will not go anywhere, they need to impeach Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 2: Every single Republican who is in the House right now

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Speaker 2: needs to vote to impeach Merrick Garland. He's not going

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Speaker 2: to be removed from office. But here's why I think

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Speaker 2: this is important, Buck, I think there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of persuadable voters out there. There is the data point

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Speaker 2: that is out even from a CNN poll I was

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Speaker 2: looking at. This just came down the pike. Seventy one

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Speaker 2: percent of Americans think politics played a role in the

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Speaker 2: decision to invite indict Trump, including ninety two percent of Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Probably not a surprise. Almost every single one of you

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Speaker 2: listening right now, other than Mike Pence, thinks politics was

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Speaker 2: involved in the decision to indict Donald Trump. Sixty seven

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Speaker 2: percent of independence Buck, two out of every three independent voters.

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Speaker 2: And here's the stunner, fifty three percent of Democrats a

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Speaker 2: majority of Democrats believe politics played a role in Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump being indicted, and I would bet the numbers will

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Speaker 2: be similar when it comes to Hunter Biden not facing

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Speaker 2: consequential punishment. So this, to me is an area that

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Speaker 2: is very fertile for Donald Trump and any other Republican

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Speaker 2: contender for president.

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Speaker 3: You should be beating.

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Speaker 2: This like a dead horse because it's accurate, it's important,

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Speaker 2: and it's a direct threat to our republic. There is

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Speaker 2: a two two yeared system of justice, the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice and the FBI. And I hate to say this

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Speaker 2: as an attorney cannot be trusted. They have failed in

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Speaker 2: all of their jobs, and everybody in a position of

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Speaker 2: prominence has to be removed. This is why twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four is so important. I don't know how much worse

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Speaker 2: it can get than this book.

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Speaker 4: And I think that what it shows you is the

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Speaker 4: Democrats now have the decisions have been made. We often

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Speaker 4: and we've hit a lot of those milestones under the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration, the Biden regime. But now, as you can see,

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00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: there is nothing to hold them back from taking this

870
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 4: to the next levels that we've anticipated all along, which

871
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 4: would be a prosecution in Atlanta, Georgia of Donald Trump

872
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 4: as well. Which what do we have Andy McCarthy on

873
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: last week and he said not as strong, and I

874
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 4: would agree based on what we know, not a strong

875
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 4: case because of the possible even Bill Barr. Bill Barr

876
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: said George is not strong because there's an innocent interpretation

877
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 4: of the words that the Democrats are saying. See he said,

878
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: fine votes, It's like, well, you know, it's an election

879
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: and you're trying to get the votes you can get.

880
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 4: He didn't say, you know, manufacture votes and pay someone

881
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: under the table and cheat.

882
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: So George is pretty weak.

883
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: But I think they're gonna do Georgia Jan six charges

884
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: of some kind likely coming as well, and especially Clay.

885
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 4: We haven't talked as much about the timing of this

886
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 4: now you've been saying, and Bill O'Reilly, who.

887
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 3: Was almost this last hour, agrees this is gonna get delayed.

888
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: I think it's a really interesting conversation because you know,

889
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: generally speaking, if if you're going to delay it, there

890
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 4: has to be a reason the motions and we don't know,

891
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: we don't know what the judge is gonna do here,

892
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: this judge Eileen Cannon, But the motions will take up

893
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 4: some time. But to hold the election, I mean, this

894
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: is the challenge to hold the election of twenty twenty

895
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 4: four with the Republican nominee facing after the election federal

896
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: criminal charges. To me, feels like the argument is, well,

897
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 4: now you're having the election under undermining or you know,

898
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 4: circumstances that really call into question the legitimacy of the

899
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: whole process.

900
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 3: I think you'd the argument have to be you would

901
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 3: do this before, but if.

902
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 4: There are multiple cases, I don't know if it's going

903
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 4: to be before. And so then we get into this

904
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 4: phase of how does this actually look in an election

905
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: to have someone who is gonna.

906
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: Have to show up in court.

907
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, let's talk about the timing, because we haven't

908
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: discussed this in a great detail.

909
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: I will be stunned.

910
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: If Donald Trump stands trial in South Florida before the

911
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: Republican primary season is complete. And I'll even be surprised

912
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 2: if he stands trial before or the election next year.

913
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: Happens now, Eileen Cannon, the Federal District Court judge who

914
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: has been assigned this case.

915
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 7: I.

916
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 4: Want to ask you about this before you keep going?

917
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 4: And do you think Trump wants you think Trump wants

918
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 4: to delay so that he can win and then pardon himself.

919
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: Okay, keep going.

920
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: I think again, I don't know who's gonna end up

921
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: representing Donald Trump in this case.

922
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: Right.

923
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: I have done criminal defense law. I have represented people

924
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: charged with murder. I've represented people charged.

925
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 4: To be fair, the number of people who have defended

926
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 4: a presidential nominee and former president under federal indictment up

927
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: to this point is zero, correct, not a single thing.

928
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 2: So analyzing I've done murder cases, I've done domestic assault,

929
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: I've done drug dealing. This is in my youth as

930
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: a young lawyer, right, I don't practice full time now,

931
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: so I don't I don't want to represent anybody in

932
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,240
Speaker 2: the audience. I don't want you guys sending me questions about,

933
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, legal strategy all over the country. Okay, but

934
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: we don't really know buck who is going to be

935
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: heading up Donald Trump's criminal defense. Okay, But if Trump

936
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: came to me and he said, Clay, you know you vote,

937
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: you have a foot in law, and you have a

938
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: foot in the political realm. And analyzing this, what do

939
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: you think I should do. There's unless you are willing

940
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: to roll the dice and say I'm not that they

941
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: can't get a conviction on me. Right, if you were

942
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: an incredible risk taker, and Trump, as a business person

943
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: has taken risk before, you could say I want this

944
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 2: trial as expeditiously as possible, because if they couldn't get

945
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: a conviction on this case, just kind of playing it

946
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 2: out there right now, it's scheduled to potentially start in August.

947
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: Figure it takes a couple of months. If the jury

948
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't convict in South Florida, I think it would probably

949
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: destroy all the criminal cases being brought against Trump.

950
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 3: But so isn't there.

951
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 4: It's interesting because we don't know what the strategy is

952
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 4: because we don't know really who the legal team is,

953
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: yes and so, and certainly they haven't As a result,

954
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 4: we don't know officially what the plan would be if

955
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: I if I'm in Trump's case. Also, I don't know

956
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: if the judge, I mean, you know, there has to

957
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: be a limit to how much you can delay a

958
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 4: proceeding like this. By right, you're under federal and because

959
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 4: the government also gets to say in this meaning the prosecution,

960
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 4: so you know, you can't walk into a court and say,

961
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 4: if you're Donald Trump, you're what is he seventy six

962
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: years old? He could go in there and say, look,

963
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 4: let's just delay this for ten years. They would laugh

964
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 4: at him and say, we're not going to delay this

965
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 4: for ten years. So there's clearly a limit of how

966
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 4: much you can delay. To delay it beyond the entire

967
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four election would mean that a federal indictment

968
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 4: was brought and you're looking at eighteen months plus going

969
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: on almost two years of the trial. But you know

970
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 4: they can.

971
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: Hold back them. Think you think that will happen.

972
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: It wouldn't stun me at all. And that's where I

973
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: think all of these motions. I think many of them

974
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: are going to be appealed and go all the way. Look,

975
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: here's the risk.

976
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 4: Okay, Trump want that to be cleared though, right, doesn't

977
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 4: he want to clear his name. That's the other part

978
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: of this, doesn't That's why I don't know. Ultimately, this

979
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: is Trump's call, right, and so if so, let me

980
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 4: sketch out the probablibilities just taking a step back and

981
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 4: pretending that you are the lawyer who is talking to Trump.

982
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: So if he wants to clear his name. But what's

983
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: the best case scenario for Trump? He goes to trial

984
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: immediately he beats Jack Smith. The jury either acquits, which

985
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: is amazing, or they can't get a verdict and uh

986
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: and as a result, the jury deadlocks and Trump comes

987
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: out and says, I told you these charges were crap.

988
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 2: The government failed to get a conviction against me. I'm

989
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: an innocent man. Right, that's the way that Trump and

990
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: that could happen. Right, that could happen by November, late October,

991
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: and then Trump sweeps through all the primary states, wins comfortably.

992
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:04,439
Speaker 2: Uh and is indicated right flip sidebuck. And by the way,

993
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: that could then scare Jack Smith in terms of bringing

994
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: charges on January sixth, because it would make him look

995
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 2: desperate because he just lost, and he would start to

996
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: look like using a literary analogy, Inspector Javert back in

997
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: the day in Les Misera.

998
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 4: So this is where I would throw in, you're approaching

999
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 4: this from the perspective of somebody who's trying to be

1000
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: fair and rational, meaning the Jack Smith perspective. Jack Smith,

1001
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 4: I like that you went to Uh Javert from les

1002
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 4: mize His mission is to destroy Trump. There is no

1003
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 4: other mission, so I don't think there if he thinks

1004
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 4: he can get through with a charge, and all this

1005
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 4: stuff is political, all this is posturing at some level.

1006
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 4: If he thinks he can get through with a charge,

1007
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: even if there is an acquittal on the documents, I

1008
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: think he probably goes through with it because this is

1009
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: his mission. The other you know, the challenge. There's a

1010
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 4: lot of variables here. I'm just going to say this.

1011
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 4: I do not believe that Trump will be able or

1012
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: his team will be able to if they want to,

1013
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 4: which we don't even know, push this past the twenty

1014
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 4: twenty four election, because to me, I mean a lot

1015
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: of people would say, well, hey, I don't want to

1016
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 4: go to federal prison. Can I just keep delaying this thing?

1017
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: At some point a judge is going to be like,

1018
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: we got to actually have this cross, especially for it's

1019
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 4: not a murder case, right, it's a documents case. So

1020
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 4: what are we really talking about here? I know there'll

1021
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: be motions maybe, I think maybe.

1022
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 2: Motioning will take a long time. So that was the

1023
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: positive side, right Trump, You vindicate yourself, You scare them

1024
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: into maybe not bringing charges. I think this is my advice.

1025
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: I think that they are so committed to Trump to

1026
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: taking him out that.

1027
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: The only way he is going.

1028
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: To avoid federal prosecution is by pardon, right, Because I

1029
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be the case that a

1030
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: South Florida jury is going to refuse to convict and Buck.

1031
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: I think they're going to bring charges in DC, which

1032
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 2: is a ninety five percent favorable Democrat jurisdiction. So you then,

1033
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: if I'm Trump, want to avoid stand trial all the

1034
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: way through the primary and the election if you can.

1035
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 4: I think that in the Jack Smith point of view, Clay,

1036
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 4: the DC Jan six option is the second second shot, right,

1037
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 4: It's not oh if.

1038
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: Then or whatever.

1039
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 4: I think they're viewing it as if, for some reason

1040
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: he gets acquitted in South Florida, which could happen or something,

1041
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 4: you know, the judge throws it out, whatever it may be,

1042
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 4: they've got it. They've got another shot at it, and

1043
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 4: a DC jury would convict Trump for you know, taking

1044
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: part in in you know, taking out Julius.

1045
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: Caesar, like they just don't care.

1046
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: They'll they'll, they'll, they'll you know, convict Trump on absolutely anything.

1047
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why I think he desperately Buck. If

1048
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm advising Trump pushed this as far as you can.

1049
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: But what but what are the limits to that?

1050
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 5: Right?

1051
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: There are limits.

1052
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 4: Otherwise Clay people would just sit there and they would

1053
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 4: just have motions, motions, motions, you know, you know Cartel

1054
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 4: Kingpins would be like, oh, I'm not going to federal prison.

1055
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: Let's take it outside of politics.

1056
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: Somebody will look at our staff if they could, as

1057
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: I'm about to do this, read and we'll come back

1058
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: and we'll fill you in. Another super prominent I believe

1059
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: this was a federal charge Elizabeth Holmes, right, the woman

1060
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: who created basically great book The Fhairhose.

1061
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 5: Right.

1062
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: How long did it take the Fharanose trial from the

1063
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 2: moment that Elizabeth Holmes was actually charged to a full

1064
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: completion of that trial, I bet it was a year

1065
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: and a half.

1066
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 4: And now that was a incredibly complex trial that brought science,

1067
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 4: like actual science, right, you know, what was known and

1068
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: multiple different points of fraud.

1069
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: Over many years.

1070
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 4: She had a you know, she had a legal team

1071
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 4: that was going scorchhorth on her, on her behalf. And

1072
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 4: that was you said, what eighteen.

1073
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 2: Months I'm guessing I'm saying, I don't know. Look like,

1074
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: from the moment of the first charge I'm using that

1075
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 2: as an example. And then the other one is it

1076
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 2: seems like Sam Bank from Freed wants his day in right.

1077
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: He is trying to get to trial as fast as

1078
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: he can. From indictment to when his trial is scheduled

1079
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: is not an insubstantial time. And that's with the defendant

1080
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 2: wanting his day in court.

1081
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 4: Other than the motions, though, I think the argument would

1082
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 4: be pretty clear here that Trump's case in South Florida

1083
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: is a pretty straightforward case.

1084
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Speaker 2: I think some of these motions couldn't remember you were

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Speaker 2: pointing out. I think this is important. We've never had

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Speaker 2: a former president who's running for president stand trial before.

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Speaker 3: So many of these are going.

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Speaker 2: To be These motions that are raised are going to

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Speaker 2: be without precedent in our nation's judicial history, and so

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Speaker 2: it would not surprise me if the appeals process on

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Speaker 2: some of these rulings is going to run for months

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Speaker 2: and months and months. So again, I don't think it's

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